WEBVTT - The Media Show | 31 January 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.200 This is the Media Show with Jack outing Hello and 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.880 welcome to the Media Show. Tonight we discussed why the 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.840 ABC didn't send a single reporter to the Outswitch commemoration event, 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.080 will take a look at chaos in the US media, 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.040 and as always, we sit down with The Australian's media 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.200 watchdog columnist Jared Henderson, who reveals a questionable choice of 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.200 guests at the ABC. But first to a war between 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.840 police who failed to tell you about a mass casualty 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.360 terrorist plot and the journalists who broke the news. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.800 The Daily Telegraph is reporting a caravan laden with explosives 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.440 and a note with addresses of Jewish targets, including a synagogue, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.479 was found on a property north of Sydney on January 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:49.240 the nineteenth. SoC sources have told the paper a note 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:53.280 reading f the Jews was also found inside New South Wales. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.480 Police are treating it as a credible terror threat. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.920 The Daily Telegraph splashed the story with the headline primed 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.280 for Massacre, alongside exclusive and chilling details about how police 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:09.360 had been quietly investigating an alleged plot to blow up 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.399 Jewish targets for several days, but then came the fallout. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.560 Jewish groups were so furious that their places of worship 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.240 were on terror hit lists, but no one from New 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.840 South Wales Police had given them a heads up. Now 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.800 in response to that, the anger is where the story 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.320 really begins. From a media perspective. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.319 The fact that this information is now in the public 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:35.120 domain has compromised our investigation and it's been detrimental to 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.840 some of the strategies we may have used. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.800 Well, that was controversial Police Commissioner Karen Webb, who has 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.840 presided over a litany of failures in her short time 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.600 at the helm of the police force. Now you have 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.160 a right to know if there is a terror plot 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.360 and only the most bumbling of incompetent leaders would attack 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.880 the journalists for informing the public. Her comments also turned 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.000 out to be false. The investigation was never going to 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.360 be compromised by media reports. After The Daily Telegraph was 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.480 criticized publicly for its scoop, the journalists took the unconventional 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.920 step of explaining the behind the scenes steps they took. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.000 Can I just get your thoughts? 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:16.440 Firstly? 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.840 Was on what Karen Webb, the Police Commissioner, had to 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.560 say today. The fact that this information is now in 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.560 the public domain has compromised our investigation and it's been 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.400 detrimental to some of the strategies we may have used. Now, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.400 you guys broke this story last night. What did you 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.240 make of that comment from the police commissioner that. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.200 Got us a little bit angry. I'll be really honest, 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.760 because the steps that were taken by this paper Masthead. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.080 Yesterday the editor contacted seen in New South Wales police 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.960 said that he had some information that the Telegraph was 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.200 looking to publish but didn't want to compromise it. Literally said, 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.679 did not want to compromise any investigation. Nothing was said, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.359 and then later in the afternoon the editor was contacted 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:05.480 and said, look what you have can be released. So 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.920 I mean and if at any time Karen Webb thought 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.320 this was being a compromise, she could have picked up 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.079 the phone and asked the editor Benny English, saying can 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.320 I ask you not to publish because there is a 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.960 danger or there's an ongoing threat? And I'm telling you 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.960 that I don't know how many times we have not 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.400 published when asked by the police, and this would be 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.240 exactly the same case. So what she was doing yesterday 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.560 when she wasn't at a press conference when all this 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.799 was being announced she could have picked up the phone 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.320 and stopped it at any time. We would have cooperated. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.240 Police tried to spin Web's comments, saying that they were misunderstood, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.520 but to us they were very clear. We don't know 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.520 if it was in competence or malice, but Sherry Markson 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.280 broke this story yesterday on skynews dot com do Au. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.920 New South Wales police failed to inform any Jewish community 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.040 or security organizations of the fact that a caravan laden 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.080 with explosives had been found in Sydney. Sky News can 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:05.400 reveal the police also didn't inform the potential intended targets 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.200 of the threat. So the New South Wales Police told 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.680 the Daily Telegraph to run the story. Now, in my view, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.400 that indicates that it wouldn't compromise the investigation, and then 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.320 they turned on the paper the moment that the Jewish 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.520 community became rightfully infuriated with having to find out in 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.719 the media that someone wanted to blow them up. And 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.560 this mess is not an isolated example of Police Commissioner 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.880 Web's history with the media. When a police officer unlawfully 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.560 killed this poor grandmother, Claire Noland, by tasering her to death, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.400 Web oversaw a decision to take the word taser out 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.160 of the early press release. Now she should have been 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 sacked by the new South Wales government on the spot 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.520 the moment she did that, But she's been allowed to 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.680 bumble on for some time, making terrible decisions one after another, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.560 like this moment she stood up at a press conference 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.599 and thanked an alleged murderous cop for telling her where 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.720 he hid the bodies of his alleged victims. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.599 This information did come with the assistance of the accused, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.480 for which we're very grateful and I'm sure the families 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.200 are very grateful. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.360 Well. Joining me now is this week's panel, Managing Director 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.120 of pr Council Christy McSweeney and former media editor at 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:30.240 The Australian Darren Davidson. Darren, let's bring you in. What 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.599 do you make of this entire saga, this shoot the 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:39.080 messenger approach from the police who are attacking the journalists 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.200 for a story for informing the public about this very 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:42.960 real danger. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.720 It's an absolute shocker. I mean, firstly, full credits about English, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.720 Mark Murray, the Daily Telegraph team, and also Sharry Markson 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:54.640 for that brilliant follow up to the story disclosing that 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.000 the police had not bothered to tell not only the 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.560 Jewish community but the intended target. Look, it might be 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.200 convenient for the police to operate in secrets, but that's 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.080 really not good enough in this instance. I think that 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:11.200 the broader point here this is another example of why 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.799 much of the concern about the rise of anti Semitism 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.200 around Australia at the moment, and we've seen these kind 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:20.799 of coordinated attacks overnight in Sydney recently in recent weeks, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.279 is due to too much secrecy and a lack of 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:29.720 demonstrated action in public by the New South Wales Police 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.560 and the authorities. Yes, absolutely the public deserves for disclosure, 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.680 but it deserves to see that the police and the 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.479 public deserves to see evidence of the police that they 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.159 are doing all they can to stop this problem, and 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:47.920 that if they did, that would send a clear message 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.640 that investigations are underway and bad actors will not only 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.239 be caught and punished. But we don't have that because 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:58.080 we're operating in this kind of atmosphere of secrecy. And 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.240 I think finally as well, my last part and on 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:01.719 this would be we need to know from the Prime 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:07.120 Minister how much information did he have about the planning 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.400 of a mass terrorist attack and what action did he 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.560 actually take when he got that information. We still don't 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:13.120 know that. 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.200 Yeah, exactly. And Chris Sie there's lots of questions over that. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.040 There are some reports, perhaps a bit of speculation that 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.200 the New South Wales Police didn't even bother to brief 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.520 that National Security Cabinet and if that becomes short up, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.440 that is an absolute disgrace. But what I want to 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:33.440 get your thoughts on as a communications expert, Webb's performance, 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.680 the way that she is communicating to the public very 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.760 important part of that top job there. How would you 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.400 rate it and do you have any tips for her? 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.120 Well, if she could go on on holiday and put 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.360 someone up. Some chowd too have performed better, giving the 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.840 public confidence that the New South Wales Government and the 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:00.880 New South Wales Police a lock step together in reducing 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:06.480 the escalation of the ongoing anti Semitic activity in Sydney, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.840 and of course we see it here in Melbourne. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:09.600 Two. 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.920 The high levels of anxiety and stress of parents in 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.960 the Jewish community whose children are now this week back 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.480 to school, traveling in their school uniforms, taking public transport. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.600 That anxiety and that fear and that lack of confidence 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.880 in the police after we've seen these issues come to 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.600 light this week is very very real. Chris Mins, of course, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:42.000 has been a significant leader in making strong decisions and 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.080 using strong language that Australians have been desperate to hear 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.680 and that have been missing at a federal level. The 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.800 other point I'd like to make here too is that 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:56.200 this is a joint state federal counter terrorism operation. When 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:01.240 issues of this significant nature are undertaking by state and 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:06.520 federal police, the minister is informed generally every step of 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.360 the way, both the federal minister and the state police 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.720 minister and the Premier and highly likely the Prime Minister. 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.400 There is nothing in my experience at an operation of 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.560 this level inside federal and state government that tells me 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.800 they would not know, and if they didn't, there are 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.679 more problems going on in those governments than we know about. 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 Well, if Albo did know, as you're saying that it's 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.079 customary for these ministers be briefed, and then he should 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.320 have been briefed by by the relevant minister in this situation, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.840 that is an absolute disgrace and I think to Darren's point, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.640 it is weird that he won't just say what he 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.440 knew that he's been dodging it at the press conferences 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.760 this week, and I think that's very problematic. He owes 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.319 everybody an answer about that. But let's move on, because 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.840 this week Australian media crews flew to Poland to cover 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.600 an Oulswitch commemoration event. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.840 Well, it's nearly eighty years to the day camps behind 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.200 me were emptied, freed by the Allies of the barely 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.000 seven thousand survivors of the more than one million Jews 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.600 who are murdered here at Auschwitz. World leaders gathering here 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:16.640 for the anniversary, witnessing the evidence like shoes, luggage, prosthetics 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.599 and Zyklon B canisters. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.920 Now, it was an incredibly important event considering the anti 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.640 Semitic attacks that we are seeing here in Australia. Our 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.240 Foreign Minister was there, and countless world leaders, including King 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.680 Charles French, President Emmanuel Macron, just to name a few. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.960 But for our national broadcaster, they could not be bothered 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.080 to even send one reporter. The Australian broke this story, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.280 James Madden Wrights. Neither of Australia's public broadcasters, the ABC 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.600 and SBS, will be on the ground in Poland for 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.000 the commemoration of the eightieth anniversary of the Liberation of 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.959 Our Switch on Monday. It's likely to be the last 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.400 such service attended by survivors of the unspeakable events that 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.920 occurred at the concentration event. Camp and journalist James Madden 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.360 goes on to make this point to put the Outswitch 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.000 decision in context. In twenty twenty three, the ABC sent 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.120 thirty seven staff at a cost to the taxpayer of 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.560 one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the four day 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.400 Indigenous Garma Festival in Arnham Land. Let's bring the panel 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.400 in now, Darren. That's a fantastic scoop by James Madden 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.920 who got that before the event, so we knew what 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.160 that plan was. And then the ABC refused to explain 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.400 to him, refuse to give any comment back to the 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.400 public because they're unaccountable. Of course, what do you make 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.000 of that decision and particularly the contrast in the way 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.560 that they cover these progressive lefty love in events for 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.319 indigenous issues and rights. But we've got this very important 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.360 issue with all of these world leaders. I cannot think 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.960 of something more newsworthy on that day to cover no representation. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.280 Absolutely beggars believe particularly you know, as we've just discussed, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.920 I mean, the rise of this grotesque wave of anti 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.000 Semitism in Australia at the moment, it just you know, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.199 the underscores why it's never been more important than ever 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.160 before to remember in this post war world and what 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.520 happened eighty years ago, and you know, what happened on 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:19.440 October the seventh was reflected in those events eighty years ago, 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.400 and people need to know about what happened, what the 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.160 Nazis did to the Jews. It's really really important. It's 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.320 an absurd misjudgment by the ABC and their news director. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.760 They should be there, and Channel seven, Channel nine and 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.840 the other three to air broadcasters were there. They have 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.000 a very well resourced, as James Madam reported in his piece, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.920 European Bureau, which is funded by as we all know, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.800 the Australian taxpayer. They've got the handout at the moment 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.400 asking for more money to top up the billion dollar 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.280 plus check that they get every single year from the 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.719 Australian taxpayer. So there really is no excuse for this 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.199 on a number of levels, whether it's resourcing or the 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.520 news value of the event. I think the other point 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.800 to make is there were many survivors from that concentration 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:08.000 camp who came to Australia, and Australia, to its absolute credit, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.320 opened its arms to those survivors. So, you know, I 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.520 do not understand why the ABAC would not cover the 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.120 event for both those members of the Jewish community here 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.160 in Australia that have been making lives for themselves in 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.960 many decades and the younger generations in Australia that are 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.520 growing up now that need to know about what happened. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.320 We saw the misinformation and the lack of historical knowledge 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.080 and context around what happened in World War Two around 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.079 the time of October the seventh. You know, a lot 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.920 of people don't understand what happened, and that's why it's 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.240 really important to cover the anniversary from eighty years ago. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.080 Yeah, Christy, it seems like one of these one of 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.080 these things that everyone should just agree that this is 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.560 something that's newsworthy. And Darren makes a grow point. They 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.520 get a billion dollars every year to cover the news. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.920 They're constantly crying about not having enough. They want in 0:13:55.000 --> 0:14:00.200 date inflation indexed payments from the government. But if they 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.000 are not capable of balancing their books and managing this 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.199 enormous budget in the way that these quintessential events are covered. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.000 I mean, how can the Australian taxpay have confidence that 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:11.920 it's been run properly. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.160 It's really interesting that the ABC senior management at a 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.040 board and chair level have been on a pr offensive 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.680 almost for the last six months, trying to overcome this 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.000 very real issue of city newsrooms in the ABC only 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:34.080 choosing to cover certain stories and perhaps to cover those 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.000 stories not objectively. They have made a lot of noise 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:41.360 about improving that, but this here just demonstrates that even 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.360 if that is being said with the true intention of 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.840 doing so, it's not filtering down to people who make 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:53.080 those editorial decisions. This is a country that should recognize 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:56.680 that as a significant international event for the Australian national 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.720 broadcaster to have a presence at if the commercial networks, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:07.120 who are struggling against the current media revenue environment can 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.600 outline that as a significant expense to undertake in order 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.080 to demonstrate to Australians that we as a nation view 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.800 this history as important, as relevant, and perhaps never more 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.560 relevant than it is now, particularly as Darren mentioned, to 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.200 educate young people who are not getting any information whatsoever 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:34.160 that has legitimate opinion and history contained in it. All 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.560 media organizations in this country should take a decision to 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.600 educate younger people to show as much accurate content as 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.960 they can about these major events. And Australia has significant 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:51.880 minister or representation at these events too, that alone should 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.840 be recognized in this event being covered definitely. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.760 Unfortunately there instead just making dumb tiktoks with all that 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.200 count Christy McSweeney, Darren Davidson, thank you so much for 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.280 joining us. We're going to take a quick break. But 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.280 when we return, what is the fuss about Donald Trump's 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:14.360 new press secretary? Welcome back to Stars and Gripes, where 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.680 we tear apart the actions of the bidder activists masquerading 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:26.000 as journalists in the United States. First up is the 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.800 media's reaction to Donald Trump's new Press secretary, Caroline Levett. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.520 The left pretends to be a champion of women until 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.520 they find one who is a conservative. Once that happens, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:41.240 they love nothing more than tearing down women with the 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.240 most petty and vacuous of insults. Levit appears to be 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.480 a fierce operator, but she is also twenty seven and 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.840 arguably quite glamorous. So of course the kind and progressive 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.200 voices at the View reacted to her appointment like this. 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.080 I think, Sam, she's probably been put in there because according. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.120 To Trump, she's at ten. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:02.960 You know, that's what it is. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.800 I want to be clear though it's not her first job. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:05.840 It was her first press briefing. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.040 She worked on the previous. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.680 This is the first time I think it has been 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.719 the She may be, but my point is that job 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.440 would not maybe have been open to her. 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:19.960 I want to clarify that. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.080 Yeah, yeah, and the abuse continued. 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.360 I would like this young lady who's this is her 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.000 first job, I would like her to do a little 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.920 homework because she said something yesterday that really pissed me off. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.520 And that was she said, there will be no wokeness here. 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.800 Let me explain something to you, because without that wokeness, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:48.680 you might not have that job. Because because women were 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.760 not invited to that table, women were not invited to 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.440 many tables. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:54.600 In this nation. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.879 The reason we fought. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.399 And busted all behind to make sure that you didn't 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.439 have to worry about this. And now to hear you 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.840 talk about it, and to hear anybody talk about the wolkness, 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.640 the wolkness was put in place for a reason. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.400 Attacking a woman for her looks or age isn't very progressive. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.560 Let's bring in sky New's contributor, Kosher Gata Kosher. Particularly 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.800 that last clip that we played. It was so condescending 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.199 the way that she was scolding her as if she 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.360 was a schoolgirl, suggesting she needed to do her homework. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:35.200 I just I find it so hypocritical when the so called, 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:40.159 you know, caring progressive voices just turned so nasty like that. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.600 Yes, and as you mentioned, with conservative women, there's a 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.680 long list of that booth of Trump's previous press secretaries, females, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.919 Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Keeley Mcaneni, other figures like her. His 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.000 campaign manager the first time, Kelly M. Conway. Sarah Palin 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.480 very famously had to bear the brunt of a lot 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.680 of this. So people are used to that, I think 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.639 in their bubble of the audience that the view speaks to, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.480 that's probably kind of what the group think is. So 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.440 she won defense, I guess is that she was speaking 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.280 to her audience. When you take it outside of that 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.399 bubble the way you are right now and we all 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.719 can see what it is. It was also interesting too, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.960 because she was conflating two ideas. This word wokeness. Didn't 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.320 look like she really understood what it meant, or certainly 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.119 the way Caroline Levitt meant it when she made that statement, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.160 and she was conflating it with civil rights and how 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.760 women didn't have the right to vote or own property 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.240 and all of that. That has nothing to do with wokeners, 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.800 which is of course about putting people in there because 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.280 of their immutable characteristics rather than the merit that they 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:39.960 bring to the table. 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.360 It's such a good point. I don't think anyone's suggesting 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.800 it's woke to give a woman a job. Very very 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.280 duplicitous the way that she tried to word that and 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.920 spin that. But let's move on. Because Vice President JD. 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.480 Vance sat down for an extended interview with Face the 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.720 Nation's Margaret Brennan, and the journalist got increasingly more agitated, 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.080 and she failed to pen down on a bunch of 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.120 gotcha questions, and it all started getting really tense when 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:06.880 the topic of immigration came up. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.520 If you had a violent murderer in a school, of course, 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.560 I want law enforcement to go and get that person 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:13.800 out of. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.520 The point of the question, you change the regulation this week. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.440 That's the point of the question exactly. Giving the authority 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.160 to go into church and go into school, the empowered 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.360 law enforcement to enforce the law everywhere to protect Americans, 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.399 in fact, a chilling effect arguably to people to not 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:31.879 send their bids to school. 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.760 I desperately hope it has a chilling effect on legal. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:40.119 The US Conference of Catholics Bishops are actively hiding criminals. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.240 I think the US Conference of Catholic Bishops has frankly 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.960 not been a good partner in common sense immigration enforcement 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.000 that the American people voted for, and I hope, again 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.040 as a devout Catholic, that they'll do better. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:57.320 The reporter kept editor or editorializing, now it wasn't an 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.640 interview at this stage, but a debate, and JD. Vance 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:01.520 didn't seem to care. 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:07.679 We absolutely cannot unleash thousands of unvetted people into our countries. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.720 People are good, These people are vetted. 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.440 Just like the guy who planned a terrorist attack in 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.359 Oklahoma a few months ago. He was allegedly properly vetted, 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:17.040 and many people in the media and the Democratic Party 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:20.080 said that he was properly vetted. Clearly he wasn't. I 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.320 don't want my children to share a neighborhood with people 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.560 who are not properly vetted. And because I don't want 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.520 it for my kids, I'm not going to force any 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.520 other American citizens' kids to do that either. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:31.920 No, and that was a very particular case. It wasn't 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:33.960 clear if he was radicalized when he got here or 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:35.280 while he was living. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.600 I don't really care, Margaret. I don't want that person 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.919 in my country, and I think most Americans agree with me. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.600 Kosher, let's bring you back in. What a brilliant retort 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.880 to a journalist who is honestly making the point, making 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.600 the argument, well, if they were radicalized in America, then 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.280 that's somehow it doesn't make a difference. That's obviously going 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.840 quite viral in the way that he just punched through 0:21:58.880 --> 0:21:59.359 the question. 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.400 It has. It's become an Internet genre all onto itself 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.399 after that, and there's all sorts of means out there 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.280 that are really funny. I don't really care. Margaret is 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.480 kind of a new rallying cry to his side of 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.679 the debate. But you know, what she was doing is 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.720 what the left side of certainly in America and really 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.679 other liberal democracies have been doing on the immigration debate, 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.320 which is they purposely sort of hide in the weeds 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.840 that this program is legal, that program is legal. We 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.560 do have a vetting apparatus. Hence it was all done 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:30.439 versus what the other side is trying to do is 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.720 zoom out, look at the big picture, which is that 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:37.160 mass migration is at unprecedented levels in America, illegal and yes, 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.639