WEBVTT - #2121 The Kindness Within - Leon Logothetis

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get a team. It's you project. Hope you're bloody terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another installment. It's early in the am over

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<v Speaker 1>here in the thriving metropolis of Melbourne, down the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia. For those of you around the world, Hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're terrific. So last night, so Melissa is very excited

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<v Speaker 1>about today's guest, And yesterday I had a day of mayhem.

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<v Speaker 1>My mum wasn't well, ended up in hospital. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to drive four hours and do a whole lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>So all the prep that I was going to do

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<v Speaker 1>flew out the window. All the meetings I had flew

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<v Speaker 1>out the window. God bless Mary. She's okay. Thanks everybody

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<v Speaker 1>for all the messages I get about my parents. Your ace. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so the normal time that I would invest into researching

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<v Speaker 1>my guest kind of went out the window. And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought when I got home last night, I thought to

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<v Speaker 1>myself self, why don't you watch I watched all these

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<v Speaker 1>videos Melissa sent me, which were very impressive, But then

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you have a look at Leon's special? It's sure,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it? It's a doco? I guess he'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>me in a minute. On Netflix, and I thought, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm going to pretend I've watched it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to watch five to ten minutes of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>then and then I started watching it and I couldn't stop,

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<v Speaker 1>complete with tears, complete with all the It was an

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<v Speaker 1>emotional roller coaster. I was like a blubbering sixty year

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<v Speaker 1>old male. It was pathetic and joyous all at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. So while I'm plugging that, that's called The

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<v Speaker 1>Kindness Within on Netflix in Australia anyway, So have a

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. That's really brilliant, Leon High. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me, Hey, thanks for having me. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>up to today? Before we go back, like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing in twenty twenty six? Because I know what

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing and what you've been doing. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing now?

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be a bit of a boring answer

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<v Speaker 2>on my fred I'm kind of just doing nothing in limbo.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't see limbo. I think it's a I created

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<v Speaker 2>nothing for myself on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>H good, I think it. How do you sit with nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are terrible in the middle of nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a really brave answer because people tend to

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<v Speaker 1>want to go, Yeah, I've got a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>in the pipeline. We're just working on this and we're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, what are you doing? Fuck all?

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<v Speaker 2>Great?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it? What are you doing? I'm doing? Fuck all?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it? It's really good? I tell I tell

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<v Speaker 1>all of my peeps and some of my clients and audiences,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talk about fuck all days, how amazing they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people have fuck all months or even years,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, just to hit the pause button and try

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out where they're at and what's what do

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you use your fuck all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Look, I did a lot and I think I

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<v Speaker 2>burned myself out and make I made a conscious decision

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to do nothing until I felt

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<v Speaker 2>a true urge to do something beautiful. And I feel

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<v Speaker 2>the urge coming back a little bit, but not enough

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<v Speaker 2>to stop doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, what do you think it is? The

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's we talk about I don't know in

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<v Speaker 1>the States where you're at, in England, where you're from,

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<v Speaker 1>the busy badge. It's like being busy is a badge

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<v Speaker 1>of honor. It's like even when you say to people,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you, they'll say busy, Like they don't even

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how they are, they talk about what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like this almost this social kind of tick. I'm busy, mate, busy,

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<v Speaker 1>flat out. What is that about the pride that we

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<v Speaker 1>take in being busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe if you tell someone that you're busy,

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<v Speaker 2>it means that you're important because you've got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>going on. Tell someone that you're not busy, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>not important and you haven't got a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe, yeah, maybe people always saying to me,

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<v Speaker 2>They're always say to me, oh, you're so, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of my head, I'm like, no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>You're probably actually the first person I've fully truly said

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it's amazing, I think, and especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you can go I'm not doing anything and I'm really good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy, like and doing not much for me right

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<v Speaker 1>now exactly what I need to be not doing, which

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<v Speaker 1>is good. So as much or as little as you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate questions like this, but we can't really

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<v Speaker 1>move forward without people having any context over who you

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<v Speaker 1>are and what you do. And rather than me reading

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<v Speaker 1>some bio that I found somewhere can you give people

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<v Speaker 1>an insight into who you are and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of your background and where you grew up in all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and kind of what inspires you, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll unpack a few different bits, if you would sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I grew up in London. I was a broker

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<v Speaker 2>in the city of London, and I had everything you

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<v Speaker 2>could have a want on the outside on the inside,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one knew. I was totally broken, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was going to be my life. Fortunately, and luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>I stumbled across the movie The Motorcycle Diaries, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a romanticized version of Jacovara traveling around South America and

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<v Speaker 2>relying on kindness. I watched that movie and it just

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<v Speaker 2>lit up something in my soul. And to cut a

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<v Speaker 2>long story short, I quit my job and I started

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<v Speaker 2>to travel around the world lying on kindness. I hitchhiked

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<v Speaker 2>from Times Square to the Hollywood Sign. I went from

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<v Speaker 2>the Eiffel Tower to Red Square in Moscow. I purchased

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<v Speaker 2>a vintage taxi and drove it across America, giving free

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<v Speaker 2>camp rights to people. I started writing books, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, and then I kind of fell back into

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<v Speaker 2>the old patterns and was running a production company in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had another moment. I like having kind of breakdowns,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems every few years. And I was walking on

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<v Speaker 2>Hollywood Boulevard saw this chap homeless guy with a sign

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<v Speaker 2>that said Kindness is the best Medicine. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>another epiphany. And this time I decided to quit my job,

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<v Speaker 2>stop running my production company, buy a vintage Jeller motorcycle,

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<v Speaker 2>and drive it from Los Angeles all the way around

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<v Speaker 2>the world back to Los Angeles with no money, no food,

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<v Speaker 2>no gas, no place to stay. All I had was

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<v Speaker 2>relying on your listeners, people like you kindness and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a life changing experience. I came back after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I did it again. I went from March, Alaska

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<v Speaker 2>all the way down to Argentina in a fifty year

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<v Speaker 2>old beetle And you know, I thought I'd reached a

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<v Speaker 2>pinnacle of life. My life so on Netflix, speaking in stadiums,

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<v Speaker 2>best selling books, busy, Busy, busy, busy, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that I wasn't. I'm very proud of my success,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very proud of the lives we touched, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>proud of everything. But I had a very very dark

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<v Speaker 2>night of the soul. I don't know a dark night

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<v Speaker 2>of the soul. It can't say very very It was

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<v Speaker 2>a dark night of the soul. And I found myself

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<v Speaker 2>in my house up on a hill writing a suicide note,

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<v Speaker 2>believe it or not. And I wrote it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I was going to act on it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did write it, and I ended up I had

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<v Speaker 2>the courage to call my therapist. I called him some

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<v Speaker 2>random time and he happened to pick it up, which

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<v Speaker 2>is quite amazing, and he took me down. And the

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<v Speaker 2>next day I found myself walking in Venice Beach and

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<v Speaker 2>I walked into a bookshop which I've been to I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know fifty times, sixty times, and I saw this

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<v Speaker 2>book on the shelf, The Autobiography of a Yogi. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen that book many many times, but I'd never

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<v Speaker 2>picked it up. This time I picked it up and

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<v Speaker 2>I randomly opened it to a random page and a

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<v Speaker 2>random paragraph, and I read that he was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>his soon to be guru. He says, if you reveal

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<v Speaker 2>God to me, I will follow you anywhere to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The word God doesn't it doesn't mean the person living

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<v Speaker 2>up in the sky with the beard. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>universal energy of love. I read that one sentence and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, I'm going to go to India

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<v Speaker 2>to find God and I'm not coming back until I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously I like doing dramatic things, right, So I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to India, I brought along the film crew,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean I came back, so I gave away

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<v Speaker 2>the whole movie. But that's that's really what happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of got connected to spirit and got

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<v Speaker 2>connected to soul. Do I do it perfectly? Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I still get depressed? Absolutely? Do I have bad days? I? Do?

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<v Speaker 2>I have good days?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And after that film was when I decided Busy, Busy,

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<v Speaker 2>Busy Leon was going to be replaced with do nothing

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<v Speaker 2>Leon until you're ready to start the process again. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the shortest version I can give you of the past

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's amazing. It's amazing, and so I love the

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's impulsive. It's not impulsive, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess because you've given a lot of thought. But incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>brave and what do you think it is about humans? That?

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<v Speaker 1>And again, this is just two blokes talking. Neither of

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<v Speaker 1>us are guru's that's well, you might be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think it is? You've got a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>hint of guru about you? What do you think it

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<v Speaker 1>is about the human condition that we struggle so much

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<v Speaker 1>to be content or satisfied because it seems like no

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<v Speaker 1>matter where we are or what we have, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>content with lights. There's always got to be something next,

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<v Speaker 1>something or something bigger, something better, something shiny. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think just your opinion? What is that about?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that again, it's just my opinion. I could

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<v Speaker 2>very well be wrong, but I think that it's biologically

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<v Speaker 2>implanted into us. And you know, biologically we have been

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<v Speaker 2>trained to always think something terrible is about to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're living in a cave, you go out, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be like, okay, am I going to get

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<v Speaker 2>eaten by lion or not? And if you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that you are going to get eaten by lion? Right, So,

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<v Speaker 2>our brains and the human condition always goes towards the negative,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's about kind of making that pendulum swing more

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<v Speaker 2>to the positive whilst not forgetting that there's negative. There's

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<v Speaker 2>bad things that go on in the world, and for example,

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<v Speaker 2>with The Kindness Diaries, the book and the show. I

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<v Speaker 2>specifically put things in that book that would really bad things,

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<v Speaker 2>things like the killing fields, slave dungeons. I did that

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose, extermination camps, because I don't want to just

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<v Speaker 2>show the light. That's that you can get blinded by

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<v Speaker 2>the light. There is light and there is darkness. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be aware of both of them. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>called the Kindness Diaries. But each episode of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the show has some some some pretty dark things as

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<v Speaker 2>well as in the Kindness within the film, it's I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to give this way, but it starts off

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that's pretty dark, right, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes light.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what is What is the relationship between kindness and happiness?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think or I don't know. Kindness isn't care

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think when we think about kindness the

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<v Speaker 1>act of to me, it's like being somewhat selfless, where

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing something for someone with no agenda. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a it's not a strategy, it's not a transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the relationship?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? I will disagree there and I

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<v Speaker 2>will say that kindness is not selfless. What do I

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<v Speaker 2>mean by that so someone can say, oh, mother to Raser,

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<v Speaker 2>such a selfless person. Yeah right, the dell Alama, such

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<v Speaker 2>a selfless person. But if I'm kind to you, I

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<v Speaker 2>win as well because I get to feel that magic

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<v Speaker 2>glow of of of of being kind of being loving.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a win win. You win and I win.

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<v Speaker 2>We both win. So it's not selfless. My kindness to

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<v Speaker 2>you makes me feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>I like at fifteen love you, You're up one good?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you learn about? And I'm sure it's a

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<v Speaker 1>million things, but does anything come in near the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the list, Like and you've done a myriad of things,

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<v Speaker 1>but what have you learned about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What when you're in that depressive state and when you

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<v Speaker 1>went through.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say ten years of kind of blah?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that was that you? Not not ten years?

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<v Speaker 1>But you went through a period of whatever? Being company is? What?

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<v Speaker 1>What does current you now know and understand that that

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<v Speaker 1>version of you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>When it cut that version of me being the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Who I'm not clear, sorry, the one who was like

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<v Speaker 1>back when you were a trader, you were pumping and

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<v Speaker 1>then you you know, it's like you had everything but nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like I talk about this a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like from the outside looking in, you were successful, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe from the inside experience out, you were perhaps spiritually

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<v Speaker 1>or emotionally or socially or whatever bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was totally spiritually and emotionally bankrupt. And what

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<v Speaker 2>happens from what I experience in the world is that

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<v Speaker 2>there are people out there that concentrate entirely for good reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>but they concentrate entirely on making money, on ego, on status, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Et cetera, et cetera. They have been told that if

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<v Speaker 2>you do that, you will become successful and everything will

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<v Speaker 2>work itself out. There's no doubt that if you work

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<v Speaker 2>hard well, if you work hard, if you make money,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do things like that, you will become successful

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<v Speaker 2>to the way that the world sees success. But that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't guarantee by any stretch of imagination, and it may

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<v Speaker 2>in fact take you further away from the true success,

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<v Speaker 2>which is how you feel inside and how you show

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<v Speaker 2>up in the world. And again I'm not espousing perfection.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's so interesting because, as you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>do speeches, and I got a question once from a

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<v Speaker 2>kid because I do school speeches, and the kid puts

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<v Speaker 2>his hand up his I don't know, maybe ten whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, mister Leon, and mister Leon, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever been mean? And I immediately think to myself, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, I'm going to lie to the child. I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to lie to the child, right, And then

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<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, No, you're not going to lie

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<v Speaker 2>to the child. You're going to tell the child the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said to him, of course I've been mean

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm human just like you, and I have good

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<v Speaker 2>days and I have bad days. Right, So it's no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never about perfection. And this is why sometimes when

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<v Speaker 2>I hear the true gurus or people who are out

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<v Speaker 2>in the world espousing goodness and spirituality, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>hear them talking about the negative side of things. I

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<v Speaker 2>hear them just talking about their magnificence. That's not truth.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not There isn't a person out there that

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't at some time in their life been an asshole,

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<v Speaker 2>being unpleasant, done something they're not proud of. So, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, there's light and there's darkness. One has to

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<v Speaker 2>feel and understand both of them. For ourselves as well

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<v Speaker 2>as well as other people. There is no perfection none.

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<v Speaker 1>So interesting. One of the things I'm terrible at many things,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of them is asking for help. I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching you last night. I'm like, well, that's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I couldn't do on this little, little,

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<v Speaker 1>this little epic journey of yours. And I thought, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, or maybe I guess I called it

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<v Speaker 1>if I had to, But just the thought of asking

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<v Speaker 1>ranges for help when you really didn't, like you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need you just put yourself in that situation to I

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<v Speaker 1>guess have an experience and learn and grow and all

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<v Speaker 1>of those things. But I'm thinking, how did you go

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<v Speaker 1>with that? Like, you're a guy who financially and practically

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to go and ask people for things,

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<v Speaker 1>but you put yourself in a situation were required to.

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<v Speaker 1>How was that emotionally and mentally?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm an introvert. You may not, you may not

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<v Speaker 2>feel that way when you watch the shows, you look

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<v Speaker 2>at the books, et cetera. But I'm an introvert. And

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, I was very shy. I couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>walk down to the lunch hall at school because I

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<v Speaker 2>was too shy. Right, So what I did, without realizing it,

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<v Speaker 2>this was an unconscious thing. What I did was I

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<v Speaker 2>always had. I grew up privileged, right in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of finance, the finances, but I didn't grow up privileged

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense of emotions. So what I did was

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<v Speaker 2>I flipped it. I forced myself to go out into

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<v Speaker 2>the world with no money. Right, Okay, it's an experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a TV shows, but no money, So there goes

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<v Speaker 2>the privilege in this experiment. Yet I had to force

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<v Speaker 2>myself to connect with people emotionally. So it is I

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<v Speaker 2>put myself into a box where I think I like

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<v Speaker 2>going up to strangers. I don't do it in my

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<v Speaker 2>daily life where I got up to strangers and I'm like, oh, hello,

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<v Speaker 2>can you help me? I mean I couldn't. I could

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<v Speaker 2>now because I've done it so many times. But I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that it's not a simple thing, right Like, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, they could say no, and many people did.

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<v Speaker 2>They said no, and that's not fun when someone says no.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to help you. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>self protection mechanism as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, of course, what did you learn? Okay to

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<v Speaker 1>that then, so where that becomes there are certain dynamics

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<v Speaker 1>involved in here's a stranger approaching someone and wanting something

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<v Speaker 1>from the someone that they've never met. Yes, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you went about that, like from attempt

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<v Speaker 1>one to attempt five hundred, was quite different. What changed

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<v Speaker 1>either with language or approach or I don't know, process,

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<v Speaker 1>How did that evolve? So you got for one of

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<v Speaker 1>a less dry term a better ROI.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good one. Look, it was a TV show,

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<v Speaker 2>which made it easier, meaning that I didn't go up

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<v Speaker 2>to people immediately with a camera. But the moment they

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<v Speaker 2>realized it was a show, right, they were like, I

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<v Speaker 2>will not be murdered by this man. Okay. Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 2>sense of safety, yeah, their sense of safety was was

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they fell sick. Even though they felt safe,

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<v Speaker 2>you still have to do it in a very specific way.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very careful with my distance when I first

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to people, right, and I would always I would

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<v Speaker 2>always stand outside of their energy field so that they

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<v Speaker 2>would feel safe. I would always come with a I

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<v Speaker 2>would always come with a story depending on the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, if I was talking to them with

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<v Speaker 2>my yellow motorbike in view, I would say, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>that's my yellow motorbike. I'm traveling around the world, relying

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<v Speaker 2>entirely on the kindness of strangers, and you seem pretty

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<v Speaker 2>kind and then laugh and then you know. So there

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<v Speaker 2>were lots of different ways, depending on how the situation was,

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<v Speaker 2>what they were like, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And did I always succeed now, of course not. I

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<v Speaker 2>failed miserably most of the time. Yeah, but it made

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<v Speaker 2>me understand the human condition. It made me understand how

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate with people. You just you know, micro expressions,

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<v Speaker 2>the energy. For example, if there's a woman with some kids,

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<v Speaker 2>probably you know, I'm a guy, I'm probably not going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to them. You know, I may do, I

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<v Speaker 2>may not. It depends on the situation. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a It was a It was really a social

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<v Speaker 2>experiment in many ways as well, and I learned so much. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also an experiment in psychology, trying to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to understand. So there's a theory in psychology called

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<v Speaker 1>theory of mind, which is understanding how other people think.

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<v Speaker 1>And you would like this. My PhD is around a

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<v Speaker 1>thing called metaperception, which is your ability to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>leon experience for others.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question at the core of this research is

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<v Speaker 1>what is the what is the me experience like for

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<v Speaker 1>this woman with two kids that I'm talking to, or

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<v Speaker 1>for Craig on the other side of this chat, or

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<v Speaker 1>my friends or family, so, you know, and having some

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<v Speaker 1>level of insight into how other people think or perceive

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<v Speaker 1>or process in real time, Like in this moment you

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<v Speaker 1>and I are chatting. We're in the same chat, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're not in the same experience because my brain's not

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<v Speaker 1>yours and vice versa. Yeah, trying to have some insight

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<v Speaker 1>into what is this like for them? And I would

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<v Speaker 1>think you probably never heard of that term, but I

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<v Speaker 1>would think you're probably quite good at both theory of

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<v Speaker 1>mind and met a perception because of your real world experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So whereas you are constantly making and adjusting to micro

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<v Speaker 1>judgments in the moment to think how do I best

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<v Speaker 1>navigate this interaction and create a good outcome, although you're

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<v Speaker 1>not logically thinking of those questions, you're just doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what. I'm so glad you told me

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<v Speaker 2>those two things because that's pretty much exactly what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to research those two things. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to remember them, but I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>To we'll have when we finish, we'll have a chat

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<v Speaker 1>for a few minutes and I'll give you those Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, because it's it's a skill. It's a skill

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<v Speaker 2>that I learned well. And I didn't realize what the

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<v Speaker 2>skill was until you just told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you, I would think you're and talking to you

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<v Speaker 1>now like you are an introvert, but you don't come across,

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<v Speaker 1>but you are. You're a good communicator. And what I

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<v Speaker 1>like about talking to you, I'm not pissing in your pocket,

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<v Speaker 1>as Australian say, but sometimes I get people on. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done this thousands of times and it's very yes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very It's almost like their role playing. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to a persona but that's not you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is organic. It's a bit messy. Our listeners don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But a minute ago someone walked in, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>brief break. It's all doesn't matter. And my constant feedback

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<v Speaker 1>about this show is I like it because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound like an interview. It sounds like two people chatting

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff and that, you know, being able to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from each other. I'm going to learn more from you today.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were grown up, said, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you had this, but I grew up in a very

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<v Speaker 1>religious environment, so I always had which was good and bad,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had always and I still have like what

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<v Speaker 1>I would call a god curiosity. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means, right, But you sound like the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you arrived at any concrete conclusions or are you

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<v Speaker 1>still on the journey?

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say that I'm still on the journey,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have also reached some concrete conclusions. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in India for the film, I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>going to the Golden Temple, which is the holiest site

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<v Speaker 2>for the Sikh religion. And next to the Golden Temple

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<v Speaker 2>there was a kitchen and they call it God's Kitchen, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I walked into God's Kitchen and I sat there

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<v Speaker 2>from two three hours helping they feed one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people a day for free. And there was something about

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<v Speaker 2>that place that I was truly extraordinary. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>in that moment in God's Kitchen that I realized that

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<v Speaker 2>if God is love, which ultimately it is the universal

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<v Speaker 2>energy of everything that ever has been, everything that ever

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<v Speaker 2>will be, and everything that is coming right. If that

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<v Speaker 2>is what God is, then I have experienced God, and

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<v Speaker 2>every single one of us has experienced God. If God

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<v Speaker 2>is the man up in the clouds with the white beard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if some people want to want to experience

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<v Speaker 2>that as God, then God bless them. Right. For me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was that experience of love that was universal in

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, and in didn't have a face, It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have it didn't have anything. It was feeling. And

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<v Speaker 2>I realized as well that you can't explain God it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to feel it. And if you feel it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And it was a truly it was a

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<v Speaker 2>life changing moment. You know, when you have a moment,

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<v Speaker 2>even if for me it kind of lasted, but even

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a moment for two seconds, that felt

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<v Speaker 2>experience never leaves you know. Let's say you're an alcoholic,

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<v Speaker 2>right and you have this moment moment of clarity where

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that it is killing you. You can go

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<v Speaker 2>back to drinking, but you can never forget that moment.

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 2>And that moment is the moment that I had in

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 2>that kitchen at the Golden Temple. I can never forget it.

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I can be depressed, I can you know, not be present.

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I can be doing things that I'm not proud of,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:27:01.719
<v Speaker 2>but that moment never goes away. It will always come back. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a few of those moments myself. I won't

0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>boy you, but I had one like revelation like that

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>which blew my head off that I can't. I don't

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>want to forget, but I can't either. And I think

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because we're so or we think we are

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>anyway humans. We're so rational, we're so logical, we need

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to understand everything, but so much about let's say God

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>or that spiritual journey or whatever falls into the spiritual basket,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 1>like what's going on? It doesn't make sense in inverted

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>commas through a logical lens. But it doesn't because when

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.080
<v Speaker 1>we say makes sense, that just means, oh, this doesn't

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 1>fit in with my understanding of how things work. If

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>I can't see it, touch it, feel it, measure it,

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>look at it, it can't be real. But sometimes the

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 1>most powerful things, or the most powerful moment or experiences

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>we have are kind of illogical but incredibly overwhelmingly transformative.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And I think this sounds weird, but especially as someone

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>who studies the brain and the mind. Like, it's our

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 1>need to try to understand everything, which I think sometimes

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 1>gets in the way of connecting with everything.

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:30.959
<v Speaker 2>One everything is not everything in a spiritual sense, and

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 2>understanding everything and feeling that moment of everything cannot be

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>figured out through logic, cannot be figured out through the brain.

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling you not to read, I'm not telling

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you not to watch documentaries, and I'm not telling you

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>not to be clever. I'm just saying that the true

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>everything happens beyond the brain, beyond the mind, and that

0:28:54.800 --> 0:29:00.239
<v Speaker 2>moment you're like, oh my goodness, that's the reality and

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the mask falls.

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Now.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 2>The trick, which I have clearly not managed to do,

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>is to have that mask fall always. Yeah, Like I

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 2>try not to watch the news, and in the past

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>four or five days, I've been watching the news, and

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>this morning I decided I'm not going to watch the news,

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and lo and behold, I felt better just from one

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 2>decision to not watch the news. So it's it's a somatic,

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>felt experience. That's where the true magnificence happens.

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're just these imperfect creatures trying to figure

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff out. Who have as you said to that young

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>ten year old boy who asked a very smart question, like,

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, we do dumb shit, we do good shit.

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>We have good and bad days. We react out of love,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 1>we react out of frustration, and this is the human experience.

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>It's just trying to I do the same thing. Like,

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm quite logical and cerebral, but at the same time,

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I intellectually understand that sometimes my mind is actually the problem,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>not the fucking solution. You know, my mind gets in

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the way of joy or bliss or calm or learning

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>or understanding. We think it's this all amazing or knowing tool,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm so glad my mind works and all of that.

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, you know, my mind is

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a storyteller, and some of the stories I tell myself

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>a complete bullshit and that. But when you don't realize

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that your story is actually a story, not truth, then

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 1>your body believes that story is truth, and then that

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>becomes your lived experience and it's all based on not

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>much other than your own perception.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Indeed, the moment when we realize our stories are

0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>actually the things that are causing us the most pain,

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>that's an interesting moment, right, Like, Yeah, and sometimes often

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 2>our stories are just lies to ourselves.

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, and we're always telling our sells stories to rationalize

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 1>justify what we do or what we what we believe.

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 1>And it's like I'm always talking to people about the

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>idea around not needing to be right and not needing

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to win and not needing to be certain or not

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>needing to be comfortable, like life is uncertain, uncomfortable, unpredicted, unpredictable, unknown,

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 1>life doesn't give a shit about your feelings or emotions

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>or your bank balance or like, this is just this

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>is just where we are. And then in the middle

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>of all of that stuff that we can't control, you know,

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and there will you know, this is the human existence.

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>We hate uncertainty, but we live in uncertainty, you know,

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to navigate that the sense of calm and peace

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and purpose is it's like an ever present challenge, Like

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>you and the news. You turn off the news, you

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>have a better morning.

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>M Yes, indeed, indeed, it's so true. It's a we've

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>forgotten yeah, right, we've forgotten who we are. And that

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>sounds sounds silly and like what was he talking about?

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>But when you have a moment of clarity, when your

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.800
<v Speaker 2>body feels the truth in that moment, you remember who

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you are, M M. And a couple of days ago,

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I was having an argument, friendly argument with my friend

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>about something and I was adamant. I was like, I'm

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 2>right and you're wrong. I think they even said that

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 2>right And now as we're as well as and maybe

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I was right, Actually I was no, I don't know

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>if I was. Uh. And and now because we're having

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>this conversation, because we're connecting, because we're in our hearts

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's a beautiful moment, I don't care whether I'm

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>right wrong.

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Difference in me.

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, in that situation of a conversation

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>with your friend, it's completely and totally irrelevant. But I'm

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>now in a different state, Like my mind is calmer

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm in venice. It's sunny, that's a good energy,

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's all good. But we can flip in and out,

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and the trick is to flip in and out less,

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>so to stay in the heart centeredness more, not lose

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the mind. Don't lose the mind. Don't don't lose it.

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Because there's some interesting people out there, interesting things are

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>going on. You have to stay aware. Don't the light

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>can blind you, don't let them find you.

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Like before when I said, you know, but coming from

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a place of kindness and selflessness, and you went, now

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I disagree, and then you kind of I went, that

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is so true, that is so true. It's like, oh, good,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you just taught me something, or you opened a door

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>in my brain where I'm going to look at that,

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know differently, but I think you know to what

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about now, this you know, trying to find

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>whatever contentment piece enlightenment or a version of that, or

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>spiritual connection or you know, if we're talking about understanding

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>through not necessarily through cognition or logic, but just building

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>this new understanding or having this experience. The challenge is

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 1>for us, one of the challenges is yeah, and then

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you've got to make a few bucks, and you've got

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to pack the lunches for the kids, and then you've

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>got to put petrol in the current, you know. So

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>we can't ever really escape this, not that we need to,

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.560
<v Speaker 1>but you know, we're always dealing with the minutia and

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 1>the practicality of life beyond the spiritual. And then it's

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>when you're in that life beyond the spiritual to try

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to maintain for me, anyway, the challenge is to not

0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>call the guy in the car next to me at

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>the lights of because he cut me off. Right, It's like,

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm now I'm just I don't anymore. But

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 1>I used to where I would you know, I would

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>turn into fucking Jekyl and Hyde in four seconds because

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't It was something that I was in and

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>out of, still in and out of. But yeah, trying

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to reconcile that that kind of I think it's almost

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>like that equanimity concept, you know, being the calm in

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>the chaos, you know, being able to be in the

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>middle of something that's imperfect and messy and clunky, but

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.240
<v Speaker 1>not be determined by that in that moment.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and look, it's it's not easy because most of

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 2>us are in survival mode. Yes, And it's like, you know,

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 2>if you decide to go and live in a cave

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Himalayas for thirty years, then okay, you're going

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to become like a guru, right, Okay, But you know

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 2>we don't live in care We live where bonds are

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 2>dropping every day, we're angry with our partner, our kid

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 2>has gone, and like painted the house blue. I mean,

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 2>you know all these kind of crazy things. It's not

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>so simple. So you do it moment to moment, step

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 2>by step, You start small, You make a commitment. Sometimes

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>people say to me, Leon, how on earth did you

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 2>manage to get from where you were to where you are?

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>And in the answer is simple. I was committed to

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>become free, and the only way to become free was

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>to go down the spiritual route and face my pain

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>and face my darkness. I was committed. If you are

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>not committed to freeing yourself, you will never be free.

0:36:55.239 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love that. Do you have like if if

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I asked you, do you have a spiritual practice or

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>do you have any are there any kind of I

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know guiding principles that are yours?

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I would say guiding principle is I

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 2>know what it feels like when someone treats me disrespectfully.

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>I know what that feels like, and it doesn't feel good.

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to do my best, without perfection, to

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 2>treat you with dignity and respect. Do I fail? I

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 2>absolutely do. But I made a commitment to go down

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the road of love, to go down the road of

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>kindness as best as I can, And there are times

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>like there's a time I gave a speech. It was

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 2>a pretty large speech, and I was telling people to

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 2>be kind, obviously, and then I got on the plane

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and the person on the plane, the student, is being

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>really kind of rude to me. And my first reaction

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>is to be routed back. And then I'm like, hold on,

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 2>did you not just give a speech about being kind?

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Ye oh yeah, yeah I did. So I was like, okay,

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 2>be kind. When the plane took off, I saw the

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>stewart crying. Something was going on with her, right, So

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 2>my decision to be kind helped as opposed to my

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>decision to be mean, which would have made things worse. Yes, yes,

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 2>make a commitment to how you show up in the world.

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>You know what it's like when people treat you disrespectfully.

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it back to the best of your ability.

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is maybe a weird question. I want you

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to talk just for a minute, on your thoughts about Okay,

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.320
<v Speaker 1>so we've spoken about God, how do you feel about religion?

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 1>For those who can't see, he's smiling, He's like, where

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the fuck do I start, That's what he's thinking.

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm also thinking, how do I say this without having

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>a fatwork put on my head.

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Well, can I just say one thing right before? When

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you said if God is love, and it's spoken about

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>in lots of theological texts in the Bible, which I'm

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>most familiar with, it definitely says God is love. And

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>then I look around at religions and I'm like, well,

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 1>if God is love, then religion is not love because

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of what we see through religion is hate.

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, it's almost the antithesis. It's almost like

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>religion is the opposite of God. And I'm not naming

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>any religion even when within Christianity, and I spent a

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of time in church after I grew up, I

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>became a fundamental born again I did the whole thing.

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I preached on the altar, I was in boots and

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, and I am probably the least perfect person

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.919
<v Speaker 1>that was in that church. But I saw so much

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 1>shit which was not godly. I'm like, oh, this is

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 1>just Oh, we're just role playing this thing here, you know.

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>So for me, that's why I asked that question, because

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it almost seems like a juxtaposition.

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.000
<v Speaker 2>So I would say that of all the religions that

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of, there is absolutely love that flows through

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:41.280
<v Speaker 2>those religions. Absolutely. I would also say that the religions

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 2>have been co opted by man, and man, if man

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 2>is not careful, goes down the road of power. So

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>they have co opted these religions in order to wield power.

0:40:55.239 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean that the ethos and the everyday

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>person who is connected to that religion isn't connected to

0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 2>it because of the love. They may very well be,

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>but they have been weaponized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so interesting. I've spoken about this probably too

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<v Speaker 1>much on this show, but you think about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there's like twelve major religions and like four thousand

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 1>minor religions, yet almost every religion goes where the one

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<v Speaker 1>true religion. I mean, even if you just unpack that logically.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the things I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>when I was watching your show last night, the kindness

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<v Speaker 1>within on Netflix everyone. I was thinking about, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you be? This is not a loaded question. I was

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely thinking about this because I think, when I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>to a thousand people on a stage, how do I

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<v Speaker 1>not perform? Like? How do I be? I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring the PERSONA want to be the bloke. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be the person I want to be, Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be authentic, real, imperfect. But because also

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<v Speaker 1>I have these skills where I can talk and present

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<v Speaker 1>and razzle, dazzle and be funny and tell stories. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you be with a film crew all the while

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find some sense of direction or spirituality or

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<v Speaker 1>enlightenment while Brian's over there with a clipboard and Dave's

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<v Speaker 1>got the camera and someone else is holding a fucking

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 1>mike near you or whatever. How do you like? That

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<v Speaker 1>must have been just, I don't know, at least interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate and try not to be a character on

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<v Speaker 1>a show.

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<v Speaker 2>So firstly, you very quickly forget there's a camera there,

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<v Speaker 2>right right. You always know right in the back of

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>your mind, because you're like, there's a camera. But I

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<v Speaker 2>pretend the camera's just a character, it's just a friend,

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just someone there whatever, And I just go as

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<v Speaker 2>open as and as genuine as I possibly can. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that there isn't some performance, right, of course,

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>it's a television show. I'm introverted generally, I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to people for five hours, right, But in the

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>show I have to. Yeah, because it's a show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm still being genuine. It's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>magnified version of that part of my personality, which is extroverted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is. It is on some level it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a performance because there are times when I

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 2>wake up in the morning and I don't want to

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 2>show up. I don't want to the work. I'm like,

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>just just leave me alone. But I have to. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't be like, well, sorry, guys, you know I'm not

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 2>working today, Just you know, just leave me alone. I

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 2>have to do what I have to do. So on

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 2>some level it is a performance, but it's a performance

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<v Speaker 2>based on who I truly am. You know, I can't

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 2>create someone that I'm not. I'm not acting to create

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<v Speaker 2>something I'm not, but I am. I am magnifying who

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<v Speaker 2>I am, so that it's a the people who enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>watching it, right, because if my short as my introverted self,

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>people are going to be like, why am I watching

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>this english Man just being introverted. It's like, so I've

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<v Speaker 2>expanded and magnified my my, my, you know, extrovert itself.

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>And also I get to have these cool conversations with people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get to ask these really cool questions and

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<v Speaker 2>philosophies and learn about them.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, that's really valid because you need at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you need to or you hope, to

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>create something that people want to keep watching. You don't

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>want people at the five minute mark going, oh my god,

0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>let's watch Tom Cruise or whatever it is. You know

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.759
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like you want people plugged in. I,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I intended to just kind of get

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>a snapshot, and I kept watching and watching. So we've

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>got a few minutes. I would like three hours, but

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>we've got a few minutes. What about This is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a cheesy question, but I'm generally curious in that particular,

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<v Speaker 1>specially anyway on Netflix the kindness within? Was there a

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<v Speaker 1>single person that impacted you more than others, or that

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 1>you were drawn to more than others, or left some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of impact on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, there was a homeless guy who I I would

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<v Speaker 2>go up to people in the street and I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>can I stand your house tonight? Obviously, wouldn't just be

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I'd chat with them before and most of

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 2>them would say no, obviously, and some of them will

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<v Speaker 2>say yes. And this guy, I didn't realize it was homeless.

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I asked him, and he didn't look homeless, and he said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really so I'm homeless. So, you know, felt a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shame about that. I was doing obviously a

0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 2>social experiment. I'm not homeless. And I was about to

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<v Speaker 2>walk off. He turns around, well, you know what, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want, you can stay with me tonight. I'll feed you,

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 2>i'll protect you, and i'll give you some clothes. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like what I was like? All right?

0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:29.760
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up doing just that, and he taught

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<v Speaker 2>me two profound lessons. Less Number one, kindness is free.

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<v Speaker 2>If a homeless man with nothing can be kind, then

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<v Speaker 2>you have absolutely zero excuse. Second, true wealth is not

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<v Speaker 2>in our wallets, It's in our hearts. Now. Am I

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<v Speaker 2>saying here saying give away your money?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:49.959
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Not.

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Am I saying don't become successful?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. Not am I saying don't love money? No

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>money is important. But what I am saying is the

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<v Speaker 2>truest of wealth is how you show up, how you

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<v Speaker 2>true people, is how you inspire people. That's how you

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 2>make people feel. And I learned those two lessons from

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.799
<v Speaker 2>a homeless man. And he would always say to me,

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<v Speaker 2>he would say, Leon, you changed my life because we

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 2>ended up putting him up in an apartment and sending

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>him back to school. But the reality is I said

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to him, no, man, no, it is you who changed

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 2>my life, and he did. He absolute feeling of that

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 2>somatic feeling inside my soul, my heart, my body of

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 2>what he did for me that day never leaves. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you met God, bro.

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you're right. I absolutely did earlier than

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 2>I thought because I wasn't aware of it at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, that's exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you met God.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing that down. I think that might be the title. Hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. You're amazing. I'm so grateful for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations on your stuff and continued continued growth. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to win. Wish you continued success, but continue growth

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and learning and connection with people. Yeah, it's been nice

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>getting an insight into you and your life and your journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And thanks so much for being on the You project. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no wise, thanks so much for having me. Thanks everyone,