Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. I can't stand when people
Speaker 2: lie to you. I can't stand when the people whose
Speaker 2: job it is to call it out look the other way. Now,
Speaker 2: you and I both know that politicians of all different types,
Speaker 2: and the people who enable them, generally in the media,
Speaker 2: they will ride a certain wave to power and then
Speaker 2: turn around and deny that they've ever been to the beach.
Speaker 2: Perfect example what's playing out right now with Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: who was for this and now isn't for that, and
Speaker 2: the media of course nothing to see here. In Australia,
Speaker 2: the number one issue at the last election was cost
Speaker 2: of living. The number one issue the day after the
Speaker 2: last election was cost of living. The number one issue.
Speaker 2: A year after the election was cost of living, the
Speaker 2: number one issue two years after. Get the point, because
Speaker 2: the reality for millions of Australians is that, yes, due
Speaker 2: to giant global issues, things became very complicated after the
Speaker 2: years of COVID, But Australia seems to be having a
Speaker 2: longer hangover, a deeper hangover than firstly any of us expected,
Speaker 2: but most importantly that we were promised. Because you see,
Speaker 2: the people who promised to be the people who say
Speaker 2: take two and lie down and you'll be fine by
Speaker 2: the morning. Was, of course, this government, the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: the people who cheered them in by raising the noise
Speaker 2: as loud as they possibly could in and around cost
Speaker 2: of living. And then of course they do everything they
Speaker 2: can in the media to avoid the subject, over and
Speaker 2: over and over again. They turn around and tell us
Speaker 2: that while when they've got their budget it's a cost
Speaker 2: of living extravaganza, that when they're doing tax.
Speaker 1: Cuts, oh, it'll fix the world.
Speaker 2: But you and I both know, because we're still standing
Speaker 2: on the beach, that the waves keep coming and coming
Speaker 2: and coming. Okay, I won't talk youre the metaphor any
Speaker 2: longer you get them a point on this one. It's
Speaker 2: cost of living and it whacks, and it whacks and
Speaker 2: it whacks. But because there are things that are cyclical
Speaker 2: and not in control of the politicians, they of course
Speaker 2: unable to fix many of those things. But there are
Speaker 2: things that the politicians do that make things worse. But
Speaker 2: they decided to make everything personal. So I want to
Speaker 2: hold them accountable to their same standards. Unsurprisingly, most in
Speaker 2: the media have no interest in doing this whatsoever, because
Speaker 2: They don't care about the issues. They don't care about
Speaker 2: the people on the other side of this screen, or
Speaker 2: the screen of the articles, or the other side of
Speaker 2: the speaker. They are just interested in the little game
Speaker 2: of everything that happens on this side of the screen,
Speaker 2: or this side of your computer, or this side of
Speaker 2: your radio speaker. But like you, I know plenty of
Speaker 2: people that have been doing it really tough over the
Speaker 2: past couple of years. I know plenty of people who
Speaker 2: expected something different. Instead they got something far worse. And
Speaker 2: I talk about this every night because it is that relentless.
Speaker 2: In the same way that you cover a natural disaster
Speaker 2: while it's taking place day after day after day, we
Speaker 2: will do the same when it comes to cost of living.
Speaker 2: It's not about being repetitive for the point of politics.
Speaker 2: It's about showing every night that we see you, that
Speaker 2: we hear you, and that we understand that when this
Speaker 2: video spreads online to people who would not normally watch
Speaker 2: the program or engage with the channel, that they understand
Speaker 2: someone gets it on this side.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, and I know that of the years we've.
Speaker 2: Been talking about this, there is half a dozen examples
Speaker 2: that do pop up in the media but it's not
Speaker 2: the political media. It's generally the people who are outside
Speaker 2: of the politics who end up filing stories like this,
Speaker 2: including the number of Australians who are skipping doctors appointments
Speaker 2: or turning off their heating amid the housing crisis and
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis. What about the people hundreds of
Speaker 2: whom so they skip a meal, or the millions of
Speaker 2: people who go to things like food banks. Well, the
Speaker 2: thousands of people who are now rubbish putting their hands
Speaker 2: into a bin, dumpster diving to find food because they
Speaker 2: don't have the coin for it. Three point seven million
Speaker 2: people last year, according to Food Bank, had trouble putting
Speaker 2: food on the table. I didn't know where the food
Speaker 2: was coming from Melbourne University. Too many Aussie kids are
Speaker 2: starting a family and raising kids in poverty. Our Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: of course, whose biography when he was riding the wave
Speaker 2: of cost of living was I'm the kid from Housing Commission,
Speaker 2: the single mum. I know what it's like to do it, Tarfa.
Speaker 2: I can rub two sticks together. But of course he's
Speaker 2: been in the system for decades. He really is a
Speaker 2: Joe Biden esque figure, not just because of his inc competence.
Speaker 2: But because he's been around the system. I think he
Speaker 2: worked for a bank teller in the eighties for this
Speaker 2: amount of time, and then he's been an advisor or
Speaker 2: an MP for the rest of his life, meaning he's
Speaker 2: expert at learning about the waves to catch and how
Speaker 2: to manipulate opinion and how to whisper sweet. Nothing's into
Speaker 2: the media to change their opinion, but his life circumstances,
Speaker 2: how he lives and whom he chooses to hang out with,
Speaker 2: tells us about how.
Speaker 1: He has strayed so far, so far.
Speaker 2: From the man that he always claims to be. Now,
Speaker 2: one other reason why the Prime Minister doesn't get it,
Speaker 2: doesn't feel the urgency. It's because he alone every other
Speaker 2: MP has got not one, not two, but three pay
Speaker 2: rises since Labor came to power. You've had twelve interest
Speaker 2: rate rises. They got three pay rises. He's now on
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand dollars and one of those three, by
Speaker 2: the way, was the biggest pay rise in ten years now. Previously,
Speaker 2: when politicians felt a sense of shame or they were
Speaker 2: slightly afraid of a media that even a positive media
Speaker 2: that liked you, would call you out on BS, he
Speaker 2: hasn't even had to answer a single question about whether
Speaker 2: or not they should defer their pay rises. Nope, it
Speaker 2: sweeps in everyone's good, all the top end echelons of
Speaker 2: the public service, which are often paid more than the
Speaker 2: Prime minister, fine, all of the CEOs, all of the
Speaker 2: people they're hanging out with at the front end of
Speaker 2: the plane or, in the Prime Minister's case, your own plane.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that they don't come from different places,
Speaker 2: but it means the people that they interact with are
Speaker 2: not the people who are hurting, so they're just noise
Speaker 2: to be dealt with. Well, I'm pleased to say that
Speaker 2: the focus, the relentless focus that we have had for
Speaker 2: the past couple of years, is now starting to be
Speaker 2: echoing in the wider population. Because remember when I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're going to do when it
Speaker 2: comes to the election. Good luck, it's always years away.
Speaker 2: But for goodness sake, please tell a pollster that you're hurting.
Speaker 2: Send a message to these people that you're still sorry.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say for them seventeenth on, you're still
Speaker 2: on the beach, and you remember them riding the wave
Speaker 2: in a poll today, And of all things, the turnbul Times.
Speaker 2: The Guardian shows that Australians, an extreme majority of Australians
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent, seven percent more than those who voted
Speaker 2: Know in the referendum Prime Minister sixty seven percent of
Speaker 2: people think that costa living gets worse in the next
Speaker 2: twelve months. This is not a poll from last year.
Speaker 2: This is not a poll from the start of this year.
Speaker 2: There's a poll from basically the August. The Reserve Bank
Speaker 2: tells us that they don't expect much to change in
Speaker 2: the next six months, but the perception of Australians is
Speaker 2: that their own personal finances will go backwards, the cost
Speaker 2: of everything will continue to go up. And it's also
Speaker 2: really important to say this. You don't have to have
Speaker 2: an economics degree to be literate in what they often
Speaker 2: don't tell you about things like cost of living.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The reality is that inflation is measured every month and
Speaker 2: then ultimately every three months, and the focus is always
Speaker 2: just where it is this quarter, this quarter, this quarter,
Speaker 2: this quarter. But the reality is, if you go back
Speaker 2: to this point when they took over all of that
Speaker 2: combines a little bit like federal budget deficits, the gallery
Speaker 2: will have you believe that it only matters what this
Speaker 2: year's number is. But the reality is if you're in
Speaker 2: a fifty billion dollar deficit this year, it gets added
Speaker 2: to all of the other deficits. Since the country was
Speaker 2: able to balance its books and pay off its debt
Speaker 2: that's of course two thousand and seven. Any future deficit
Speaker 2: will be added to that. The expectation of the Treasury
Speaker 2: is that we are in deficit for the next forty years,
Speaker 2: and we're already in are trigting in a bit dollars
Speaker 2: worth of debt. To give you an idea of who
Speaker 2: has this opinion, is it just the hardcore Paul Murray watches. No,
Speaker 2: It's spread across the political spectrum, with one obvious exception
Speaker 2: the people who are trying to cheer on their side
Speaker 2: of politics and trying to believe the bs the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister throws their way. Seventy one percent of people who
Speaker 2: vote for minor parties. Now, this could be everything from
Speaker 2: Victorian socialists to oneation can be independence from Die in
Speaker 2: Sydney all the way through to Bob Catter in North Queensland,
Speaker 2: Rebecca Sharky in South Australia and the independent voters of
Speaker 2: Tasmania seventy one percent think that the cost of living
Speaker 2: gets worse for them in the next twelve months, sixty
Speaker 2: four percent of the opposition, sixty percent of the labor
Speaker 2: parties partners in crime, and just a third of Labor voters,
Speaker 2: but a third of Labour voters that are willing to
Speaker 2: blow the whistle on their own parties bs because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, despite the spin, despite the
Speaker 2: gas lighting, despite just saying the words cost of living
Speaker 2: like they're Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz saying there's
Speaker 2: no place like home or beetlejuice. If you say cost
Speaker 2: of living three times, guess what, it doesn't appear, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't disappear. If you say it three hundred times,
Speaker 2: it doesn't get better and it doesn't get worse. Action
Speaker 2: is what we'll do that. But this government, despite its spin,
Speaker 2: despite its too little, too late, despite its fiddling on
Speaker 2: the edges, despite that, while I have a loaf of bread,
Speaker 2: you can have some crumbs and you will be thankful
Speaker 2: because they were your crumbs in the first place. There
Speaker 2: are three ideas that the government that apparently at all
Speaker 2: times was focused on cost of living that the Australian
Speaker 2: public no are the true reality of the government when
Speaker 2: it comes to priorities as this, many people are in
Speaker 2: this much trouble. Two years ago, they took fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars off people as an automatic tax return. That effectively
Speaker 2: meant that there was a tax increase on ten million people.
Speaker 2: Now as we're in tax time right now, I remember
Speaker 2: finder dot Com that a U the financial services website,
Speaker 2: told us that something like about a third of the
Speaker 2: country looks forward to this time of the year because
Speaker 2: there might be just a little chunk of change at
Speaker 2: the end of the complunk aim or tipping point as
Speaker 2: it is these days, that they'll be able to take
Speaker 2: that five hundred dollars or one thousand dollars and be
Speaker 2: able to use that money to either kill off the
Speaker 2: credit card, use that quick amount of money to do
Speaker 2: something they need to do around the house. It's just
Speaker 2: this not a little gift, because it's your money anyway,
Speaker 2: but it is this little moment like when you were
Speaker 2: a kid and you opened up the birthday card and
Speaker 2: you went, jeez, Nana, twenty bucks awesome, and that money
Speaker 2: should have been there last year they took it away,
Speaker 2: should have been there this year they took it away.
Speaker 2: Imagine what fifteen hundred dollars in a tax return guaranteed
Speaker 2: to ten million workers would do. Now when sixty seven
Speaker 2: percent of people believe, I'd double check my number because
Speaker 2: otherwise I got fact checked sixty seven percent. If people
Speaker 2: say the cost of living situation is getting worse, this
Speaker 2: government took it off them. This government that apparently cares
Speaker 2: about cost of living, that desperately wants to pretend that
Speaker 2: they are doing something, has increased petrol taxes. It is
Speaker 2: now just under fifty cents per liter, fifty cents per lead.
Speaker 2: Every time you drive around, you have a look at
Speaker 2: that price. Fifty cents of whatever that price is per leader.
Speaker 2: Tax that's increased under this government. As I showed you
Speaker 2: months ago, bottle of Bundi run.
Speaker 1: Sixty three percent of its tax. Sixty three percent of
Speaker 1: it is tax.
Speaker 2: And of course, the ultimate goal of modern center left
Speaker 2: let's be polite, but most likely hardcore left wing governments
Speaker 2: that pretend not to be left wing governments. They want
Speaker 2: to expand the size of government because the more people
Speaker 2: who physically work for governments are more likely to end
Speaker 2: up voting for center left parties who promise to never
Speaker 2: reduce the size of government. These people expect that the
Speaker 2: interaction with business should be that your biggest client is government,
Speaker 2: so you'll never get upset with them when they make
Speaker 2: bad decisions, because they have the power to regulate you
Speaker 2: out of existence, to increase taxes on your businesses. You
Speaker 2: run in sign an NDA, they do a take it
Speaker 2: or leave it sandwich that is unpleasant to both smell
Speaker 2: and taste, and you have to put up with it.
Speaker 2: Or there's the people who, of course, are just financially
Speaker 2: dependent on government. More money, more time, more jobs, all
Speaker 2: the things connected to. Without daddy government, we'd all fall away.
Speaker 2: All of that eventually builds to a permanent majority, where
Speaker 2: as we know, a very small section of people are
Speaker 2: the ones who actually pay the amount of tax that
Speaker 2: the government then swirls around and throws back out. In
Speaker 2: order to increase its to increase its power, and to
Speaker 2: increase its control. This government could do an awful lot
Speaker 2: of things to help with cost of living. Most importantly,
Speaker 2: it could double the amount of money that it funds
Speaker 2: to every charity right now, perhaps even a billion dollars
Speaker 2: they could shave off because the people who are most
Speaker 2: in need, the ones who got nothing in a tax gun.
Speaker 2: The people whose power bill goes up way higher than
Speaker 2: the little credit that they're going to throw your way.
Speaker 2: They need things like charities. Yeah, the charities of course,
Speaker 2: relying upon donations the people who don't have the money
Speaker 2: to see how the system shrinks. Government's got plenty of
Speaker 2: money for its priorities. But when the people who are
Speaker 2: suffering as a result in part of its policies are
Speaker 2: not a priority enough to receive significant help today, well
Speaker 2: it shows you. They rode the wave and now pretend
Speaker 2: they've never been to the beach. May the people dunk
Speaker 2: them sooner rather than later. There we go seven hundred references.
Speaker 2: I hope you like the metaphor. But of course the
Speaker 2: real problem is Peter Dutton. Didn't you know that? Like,
Speaker 2: he's the great threat to Australia. He's the reason why
Speaker 2: there's more homeless than ever before. He's of course the
Speaker 2: reason why there's oh so many problems. He's the reason
Speaker 2: why there's all this sort of social social difficulties right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, just Queen Laura Tingle, Lefty Laura Tingle, remember
Speaker 2: what she had to say about how terrible it was
Speaker 2: that he was planning to cut immigration which is what
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was claiming to do. Oh but he's
Speaker 2: claiming to do it a little bit deeper and promising
Speaker 2: that foreign buyers wouldn't be able to outbid your kids
Speaker 2: on a house. So of course Dutton's the problem for.
Speaker 4: A major play calling this be saying, as Nicki says,
Speaker 4: you know everything that's going wrong in this country is
Speaker 4: because of migrants. And you know, I had a sudden
Speaker 4: flash of people turning up to try to rent a
Speaker 4: property or at an auction, and they look a bit
Speaker 4: different whatever you defined different as the basically he has given.
Speaker 2: Them license to be abused. Oh and of course, nasty
Speaker 2: Nicki Sava, who of course was the co pilot in
Speaker 2: that nonsense immigration tinder box Darton, evil racist, blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, all of this garbage as opposed to what
Speaker 2: we all know, which is that who cares where you
Speaker 2: come from? Of course we do care about what you
Speaker 2: believe in terms of whether you want to be part
Speaker 2: of the society that has been built here that is
Speaker 2: respectful of race, gender, religion, no, religion, all the rest
Speaker 2: of it. No, it's just literally about a scenario where
Speaker 2: when hospital ramping means that when you call Triple O,
Speaker 2: you may or may not get an ambulance. If you
Speaker 2: do get an ambulance, you'll have to sit in the
Speaker 2: back of it because there's no room in the hospital.
Speaker 2: When you hear about governments turning around and go, you
Speaker 2: know what, come on in a million more in the
Speaker 2: next couple of years, you start to realize that maybe
Speaker 2: those cues might get a little bit longer. So I
Speaker 2: thing to do with race, religion, anything else. But this
Speaker 2: is the game they play, and Peter Arton, Peter Darton,
Speaker 2: is the one who's causing the troubles. And of course
Speaker 2: one of the great narratives that these people always trying
Speaker 2: to distract from the actual failures of the actual government.
Speaker 2: They like to tell you that the Liberal Party particularly
Speaker 2: has a problem with women. Well amazingly again, same opinion
Speaker 2: poll in the turnbul Times in the Guardian today two
Speaker 2: party preferred Guess who's leading with female voters. Labour's down
Speaker 2: by six since February of this year. The Libs are
Speaker 2: up five since February of this year. The undecideds they
Speaker 2: also are slightly up, but literally a five out of
Speaker 2: six people moved from Labor to the Libs and only
Speaker 2: one percent went onto the undecided pot. Well, that's a
Speaker 2: significant statistical movement. But of course there will be a
Speaker 2: scandal to remind us all why the Liberal party's terrible
Speaker 2: and evil and amazingly those people in the press gallery
Speaker 2: who again are cost of living that's just you either,
Speaker 2: that's all. That's as really sticklical. It's not personal, but
Speaker 2: apparently it was personal a couple of years ago. Go figure,
Speaker 2: they're all the ones that are now saying the panic
Speaker 2: and having ideas about tactics and how the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: might be able to save labor from himself, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that, of course the polls in things like the
Speaker 2: City Morning All show us that fifty one percent of
Speaker 2: the country, fifty one percent of the country believe the
Speaker 2: Prime minister's performance is poor or very poor. Well, they
Speaker 2: noticed that there's a little bit of Kamala Harris magic
Speaker 2: or Kamala Harris magic. My apologies, I don't want to
Speaker 2: offend anyone. It's just only the way the President used
Speaker 2: to pronounce it. Anyway, Because Jason Claire had a slightly
Speaker 2: smart ass answer to a question in question Time yesterday, Aha,
Speaker 2: you know how the Democrats are calling the Republicans weird. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, there's now a plan for the Labour Party
Speaker 2: to call the Liberal Party like weird, a new version
Speaker 2: of weird, which means if it's working for her, then
Speaker 2: it'll work for us, right please, Clueless Clara Now, she
Speaker 2: may well have a new job, but guess what, it's
Speaker 2: still CLARAO now and it seems she's just as clueless
Speaker 2: in her new job as she was in the old job. Oh,
Speaker 2: which is an incredible performer, which is code for talks
Speaker 2: to the media a lot bying. They're back that being
Speaker 2: other ministers, not her. But you know she's a great performer,
Speaker 2: an amazing performer. Whenever the media talks up a specific
Speaker 2: politician who you don't really know, it means they're really
Speaker 2: involved in the social set of what's happening in Canberra.
Speaker 2: Feel free to disapprove me wrong or Claire coming for
Speaker 2: an hour and we can talk it out on it. Well,
Speaker 2: as you know, she got to the backside and the
Speaker 2: Biscuit rightly so with Andrew Giles after their appalling performance
Speaker 2: in Home Affairs. But there was nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: We only moved ministers because there was a reshuffle, and
Speaker 2: of course she went from buggering up the borders to
Speaker 2: now buggering up the quarter acre block because she is
Speaker 2: going to be in charge of the housing crisis, and
Speaker 2: won't she be amazing. She was so good at home affairs,
Speaker 2: so she'd be so amazing at housing. Well, guess what,
Speaker 2: well done the PABA for noticing in the Daily maila
Speaker 2: day that she's well the same clueless Clara. Now she's
Speaker 2: as bad in this gig as she was in the
Speaker 2: last gig, particularly in her performance in Parliament. Blundering Minister
Speaker 2: Clara o'neili's face is left red faced during car crash
Speaker 2: question time days after starting a new job. Oh but
Speaker 2: she's a good performer. She's a good performer. Sorry, she
Speaker 2: on the other line, she could performer. Here's how our
Speaker 2: words salads failed to save her from an embarrassing era.
Speaker 2: You see, she was debating again government housing policy, all
Speaker 2: the rest of it, and she claimed that there was
Speaker 2: all of this data to back it up, and all
Speaker 2: of the data came from Treasury, and Treasury must be
Speaker 2: trusted because despite the fact they're always wrong on the budget,
Speaker 2: they're so right on this.
Speaker 3: The Treasury modeling for this bill tells us that we
Speaker 3: are going to have an additional one hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: thousand rental units online in a period of a decade.
Speaker 1: Guess what, it doesn't exist. There is no Treasury modeling.
Speaker 3: We want to assist Australians to have lots of different
Speaker 3: rental options. What the research shows, what the experts shows,
Speaker 3: is that the scheme in the Senate will build more homes.
Speaker 3: There is dispute about how many homes, but it will
Speaker 3: be tens of thousands of additional homes. Now, what I
Speaker 3: would say to the Parliament is that if we want
Speaker 3: to stop success and progress on this matter, then we
Speaker 3: should play politics business as usual.
Speaker 2: Oh you noticed that, I'm a four D chess that
Speaker 2: she's playing because she's a great perform a great performer,
Speaker 2: great perform, a great performance. Sorry, she's still on the
Speaker 2: I'll get back in a second. I'm just on the
Speaker 2: air well her four D chess there where the bottling
Speaker 2: is disputed. No, it's not disputed. It's not from Treasury.
Speaker 2: Something that has been noticed by I hate to say this,
Speaker 2: the Greens and the Liberals, but you know nothing to
Speaker 2: see here, great performance, performer. And then of course there's
Speaker 2: the CFMU. Now it's only one part of the CFMU.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So technically some of their representatives can
Speaker 2: still be kind of in charge of the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: sitting on National Executive being national vice presidents. Do nothing
Speaker 2: to see here, we're going to clean up the same union,
Speaker 2: but then we shut down the standing Royal Commission into
Speaker 2: the Union. I mean, the Australian public doesn't see any
Speaker 2: of this, does it well? Interesting question today from the
Speaker 2: Shadow Housing Minister, Michael Suka, who's loving the idea that
Speaker 2: he's got clueless Claire every afternoon at two o'clock on
Speaker 2: national television.
Speaker 5: During question time yesterday, the minister claimed some experts believe
Speaker 5: CFMU corruption and illegality has and I quote no impact
Speaker 5: on residential construction. Can the minister name those experts now?
Speaker 2: Of course, the four d chs wonderful performer. Wonderful performer
Speaker 2: that is Claire O'Neil, who was so amazing in her
Speaker 2: last job that she got sacked from it by Anthony Albernezi,
Speaker 2: who didn't sack well, plenty of underperforming ministers. And of
Speaker 2: course the Finance Minister caught lying all those months ago.
Speaker 2: Here's her answer. Good perform great before and.
Speaker 3: That question just following up on the shameless color ticking
Speaker 3: of the green and we have again, oh liberal, come
Speaker 3: forward and ask a question not about how we're going.
Speaker 6: To build more homes for Australians, but.
Speaker 3: About how we can play more politics in this parliament.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you really clearly, Speaker, that my
Speaker 3: focus on this rock, in this role is not about
Speaker 3: what happens here in Parliament House.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, you were asked to name someone here, She's
Speaker 2: not naming anyone and thus proving the point of the
Speaker 2: question and guarantee she'll get more tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Referred to the minister's statements and asked her to name
Speaker 5: those experts. Now, if the Minister cannot name those experts
Speaker 5: because she made that up at the.
Speaker 3: Disaster, Member four Deacon is making absolutely we no sense.
Speaker 3: If he is concerned about the impact this union is
Speaker 3: having on residential construction prices, then he can go into
Speaker 3: his carcus room and talk to his senator colleagues about
Speaker 3: helping our government clean up this union. Speak up, whether Lord,
Speaker 3: what's up with these guys today?
Speaker 6: Speaker, order the.
Speaker 2: Great performer, Great performer. You may remember we spend four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars on a referendum last year.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, half a billion dollars whatever started out at
Speaker 2: sixty forty Yes, we know it ended up sixty forty nine.
Speaker 2: We also know that there is three prongs to the
Speaker 2: Larus statement, which was a voice, a commission, a truth
Speaker 2: telling commission where essentially the black armband version of history
Speaker 2: would become the official arm band of history, and then
Speaker 2: a treaty of which, as we know in Victoria, the
Speaker 2: government doesn't rule out giving anything up and we don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what the demands are. Well guess what. Yet
Speaker 2: again a surprising result in an opinion poll that comes
Speaker 2: out of the Turnbull Times today and they were rather
Speaker 2: shocked it was their lead story and then of course
Speaker 2: was buried, very buried later. Only one third of voters
Speaker 2: want a treating in truth telling commission with an Indigenous
Speaker 2: voice or an Indigenous voice. The top button, which is
Speaker 2: the dark blue, is last year's number, so let's go
Speaker 2: to the light blue. Thirty seven percent support a truth
Speaker 2: telling commission. Thirty five percent support a voice regardless of
Speaker 2: the fact that, of course it was defeated in the
Speaker 2: passion that it was, meaning support has actually fallen for
Speaker 2: it since the election. Was a surprise. And even the
Speaker 2: constitutional recognition question, well that too has now fallen to
Speaker 2: thirty five percent. I love in these polls that, rather
Speaker 2: than showing you how many people either don't care, don't know,
Speaker 2: or openly oppose, well, let me tell you a part
Speaker 2: of the answers to our questions. You see, this was
Speaker 2: the same polling that got us to sixty forty yes,
Speaker 2: because there used to be remember about thirty five forty
Speaker 2: five percent of people who were definitely going to be yes, right,
Speaker 2: and then we knew there was a significant number, almost
Speaker 2: fifty that was going to be no. And then there
Speaker 2: was just a bit that they never counted, and then
Speaker 2: they just went, well, if you're forced. Interestingly, for all
Speaker 2: of the times I've spoken about this pole and I
Speaker 2: like it for some of its information, there was one
Speaker 2: thing they magically took out of today's pole, the approval
Speaker 2: rating of the Prime Minister. It's been there every other pole,
Speaker 2: It's been on their website the whole time. But right
Speaker 2: now may they be finding the same thing as the
Speaker 2: other polsters. Fifty one percent of the country thinking the
Speaker 2: Prime minister poor, very poor, no, not at all good.
Speaker 2: Before in Queensland, we know that the Miles government is
Speaker 2: set to hit a brick wall and hit it very hard.
Speaker 2: Of course, all the way to the end giggles Miles
Speaker 2: will continue to giggle, thinking that he can spend as
Speaker 2: much money as humanly possible, bankrupting the next and former government,
Speaker 2: meaning that of course they would either have to raise
Speaker 2: taxes or cut back potentially or just go deeper into deficit,
Speaker 2: basically trying to lay land mines before an election for
Speaker 2: a potential change in government. We know the latest polling
Speaker 2: suggests that they would be wiped out. We also know
Speaker 2: that they well, as I say, they spend so much
Speaker 2: money up against the wall, including literally they've putting the
Speaker 2: suggestion that they're going to build government owned petrol stations
Speaker 2: still bring the price down after the election please. Unsurprisingly,
Speaker 2: none of this craps working. And now, apparently according to
Speaker 2: the Courier mar Labor people are telling them, get ready,
Speaker 2: we're going to try to save as much furniture as
Speaker 2: we possibly can now in fairness the Labour Party. Of course,
Speaker 2: when Cambellyman one way back when to fourteen years he
Speaker 2: reduced the Labor Party to the number of MPs that
Speaker 2: could fit in the tarago, literally Annasachia Palachet, last one standing,
Speaker 2: ends up driving the car. Nobody expects her to be
Speaker 2: the leader's ok sacrificial land at the next election from
Speaker 2: they get a majority. Okay, So it doesn't matter in
Speaker 2: Queen's Land whether you're this high or this low. It
Speaker 2: can all change in a few years time, right, But
Speaker 2: how a look at this you are. Polling conducted by
Speaker 2: the quarrymar last month revealed that the LNP has extended
Speaker 2: its two party preferred lead to fifty seven fifty seven
Speaker 2: forty three, marking a ten point swing since the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty election. Because she is keeping it thafe and clean
Speaker 2: down hut and they'm at clean them memo and everyone
Speaker 2: else there around the country is terrible and shouldn't come here.
Speaker 2: But we will take their GF team money. This points
Speaker 2: to a potential loss of twenty three seats, including basically
Speaker 2: anything north of the Sunshine Coast. The strategy is now
Speaker 2: to sandbag as many seats as they possibly can, particularly
Speaker 2: in the southeast. Why because remember they were able to
Speaker 2: go from about what less than ten seats and come
Speaker 2: back in an election. Their plan is to flush as
Speaker 2: much bad wood and dirty dealers from this government so
Speaker 2: when there is a chance to fight in another election
Speaker 2: in four years time, well they'd be able to pretend
Speaker 2: nothing to see he completely knew. We're ready to go
Speaker 2: a great performer. Now let's talk truth about what's happening
Speaker 2: in the United States. Trump is behind now winning and losing.
Speaker 2: I have incorrectly said in the past that somebody was
Speaker 2: winning or somebody's losing. Reality is, there's only one election
Speaker 2: that happens officially on the first Tuesday in November, but
Speaker 2: early voting can start as early as September. The book,
Speaker 2: you say that Harris is now up and the chances
Speaker 2: of her winning is their fifty two percent to Trump's
Speaker 2: forty six. Yes, Titan, some things could change a little
Speaker 2: bit here, a little bit there. As I've told you before,
Speaker 2: the state of Arizona and the state of Pennsylvania, if
Speaker 2: they both start moving blue, Trump can't win well. According
Speaker 2: to this latest poll third line state of Pennsylvania, Harris
Speaker 2: up over Trump. I'm not breaking any news here, but
Speaker 2: there is an interesting thing that Donald Trump is trying
Speaker 2: to do by trying to go around the traditional media,
Speaker 2: which as we know, is basically they're not just carrying
Speaker 2: the water and they're trying to part the seas for
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. So he went on x A Minion. People
Speaker 2: listened to it live. I don't know why this wasn't
Speaker 2: a video and they just uploaded it after it had
Speaker 2: been recorded. But you know, we've got to show how
Speaker 2: amazing the platform is. And it was understandably very positive.
Speaker 2: Both like each other, fine and fair enough. But back
Speaker 2: to that point about the media and as we know,
Speaker 2: applying no pressure, no standards, no questions, no interviews when
Speaker 2: it comes to Kamala Harris. Nothing to see here. This
Speaker 2: is the front cover of Time magazine, the front cover
Speaker 2: of Time magazine. Well, if the mainstream as they used
Speaker 2: to call it, but I don't even think it's that.
Speaker 2: It's the regime, it's the machine media, it's all the
Speaker 2: rest of it. Meg and Kelly's particularly fired up about this,
Speaker 2: and I'll have a chat to on tomorrow night's program.
Speaker 2: There are lots of ways around it, and social media
Speaker 2: in particular is the big way around it. Now. I
Speaker 2: wanted to show you tonight and tomorrow and I'll show
Speaker 2: you some examples of what is on these services. But
Speaker 2: how Trump can still get a conversation going around the
Speaker 2: gatekeepers of the establishment media, who, of course all about
Speaker 2: access to the cool kit, and the cool kid at
Speaker 2: the moment is Kamala Harris. Have a look at x
Speaker 2: falling known as Twitter. Now, obviously, just because somebody's a
Speaker 2: follower doesn't mean they're a fan, but it certainly means
Speaker 2: that your message can go around. Look at how many
Speaker 2: people are hearing whatever Trump bangs out with his thumbs
Speaker 2: versus what the staffer for Harris bangs out using their thumbs. Also,
Speaker 2: if you're really hardcore, you follow team Trump or Team Kamala,
Speaker 2: and again they've got an advantage there. When it comes
Speaker 2: to the Instagram, exactly the same twenty six million for Trump,
Speaker 2: seventeen million for Harris, three million for Team Trump, and
Speaker 2: seven hundred and twenty three thousand for Kamala Harris. Again,
Speaker 2: I'll show you examples of this tomorrow night. When it
Speaker 2: comes to meta Facebook, thirty four million people get to
Speaker 2: see unvarnished what Trump or his people want to post
Speaker 2: similar breaksdowns. The only place where things are a little
Speaker 2: bit closer is, of course, the Chinese surveillance app known
Speaker 2: as TikTok, where Harris is at four point four million,
Speaker 2: but Trump's at nine point nine million. Interestingly, team Trump,
Speaker 2: the machine behind Trump, way behind the BS machine around
Speaker 2: Kamala so yes on TikTok in one of the indices,
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris well and truly ahead. Will that be important
Speaker 2: with young voters? You bet you? But the size advantage
Speaker 2: everywhere else, to go around the gatekeepers, to go around
Speaker 2: the people who want to tell you Biden's completely fine, smart, amazing.
Speaker 2: Harris is qualified to be president because she was vice president,
Speaker 2: but then she doesn't own any of the decisions that
Speaker 2: were made as vice president. The same media that turns
Speaker 2: around and says she's a completely blank canvas, despite the
Speaker 2: fact there's lots of tape of what she's believed before
Speaker 2: the last election. Social media is the place where those
Speaker 2: messages play out. It's, of course, where left wingers say
Speaker 2: there's misinformation, as opposed to the misinformation that's currently running
Speaker 2: and parading as the press gallery of the Washington Press
Speaker 2: right now. Completely fine with the fact that she's not
Speaker 2: asking answering questions because then that have to come up
Speaker 2: with them, and if they had to come up with them,
Speaker 2: they may well end up being tough. And by tough,
Speaker 2: I mean, Madam President, how are you I'm here on
Speaker 2: Paul Murray Life. Thank you very much for watching.
Speaker 7: Gus.
Speaker 1: Were are having to be big debate. Let's get into
Speaker 1: it in the moment.
Speaker 2: Or Tuesday time here with Joe hilde Brand, with Lisa
Speaker 2: god They're both in the man cave. This will be fun.
Speaker 2: I'm going here.
Speaker 1: How exciting a full man cave on a Tuesday night.
Speaker 2: I'm rather excited here.
Speaker 1: The wonderful Lisa god Art, how are you?
Speaker 6: First time in over four years?
Speaker 2: There you go? Well, remember you know Sky News man
Speaker 2: caves for Sky News. You know anyway that happens the
Speaker 2: man no way?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 2: All right, the wonderful Joe hilder Brand, of course, Hello,
Speaker 2: my man, I'm not doing you a touch of class,
Speaker 2: doesn't you?
Speaker 6: Gentlemen?
Speaker 2: Listen to your but all right, only media find it
Speaker 2: all online and I'm on Joe's podcast. Will plug all
Speaker 2: that nice and proper for you in the next couple.
Speaker 1: Of days digital ID.
Speaker 2: I know an awful lot of people write emails to
Speaker 2: be about it, and I know an awful lot of
Speaker 2: people are particularly passionate about it, and for the communication
Speaker 2: we get fearful of it. It of course is now
Speaker 2: the law of the land. But the program is now
Speaker 2: starting to roll itself out now, Joe, I don't know
Speaker 2: whether you can answer a question for me on this
Speaker 2: or not. Does everyone just get one in your MyGov
Speaker 2: app or do you have to double click to buy
Speaker 2: into the system?
Speaker 7: I do not know, and I think they're still working
Speaker 7: that out. I think it'll be interesting.
Speaker 8: I would imagine it would have to be an opt
Speaker 8: in thingwise, otherwise it would be like how you two
Speaker 8: put all their B sides in your iPhone and tell
Speaker 8: anybody that is going to backfire.
Speaker 7: Spectacular. But I did just want to read out.
Speaker 8: I've just prepared this one little quote which I just
Speaker 8: thought was the most ABC comment every that's right, that's right,
Speaker 8: But the ABC story has written just in a completely
Speaker 8: straight news piece.
Speaker 7: It's proposed trust exchange.
Speaker 8: System, which is an ominous word, trust exchange, gold standard exchanging.
Speaker 7: Trust with today. I mean, if you're going to exchange trust,
Speaker 7: when you at least wear some protection.
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say I have thereo's active consent.
Speaker 8: But it's proposed trust exchange system would use QR codes
Speaker 8: made popular during the COVID.
Speaker 1: N how popular.
Speaker 7: Whom some porkin right into the av's everything. Oh yeah,
Speaker 7: these are really popular.
Speaker 8: It's like, you know, it's like reading the newspaper is
Speaker 8: really popular when you've been kidnapped and you've got a
Speaker 8: gun to your head. I just wanted to reading the
Speaker 8: newspaper with today's dating is today's date.
Speaker 1: I just love telling everyone how much to day exactly.
Speaker 2: But I think the issue here right, and obviously I
Speaker 2: understand those that are hardcore about this to screaming and
Speaker 2: the teller get into the issues getting my point is
Speaker 2: this right, The legislation has passed, Okay, so the time
Speaker 2: for being able to unscramble that egg alas has gone
Speaker 2: at the time those who tried to talk about it
Speaker 2: again your nudders and all the rest of it. So
Speaker 2: let's talk about the practicals here right now. Again. What
Speaker 2: they will claim to be the advantages is is that essentially,
Speaker 2: rather than having to fill out the same form seven
Speaker 2: hundred times, there's this one thing that you'll be able
Speaker 2: to access. That means they'll give the information for you. However, However, however,
Speaker 2: my and why I just want the opt in system
Speaker 2: as opposed to automatically in it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not.
Speaker 2: Nothing whole, but I don't want the readout of where
Speaker 2: I was and what I did and if signing in
Speaker 2: to licensed venues is going to be part of this, Sorry,
Speaker 2: I don't want that.
Speaker 9: Well, we went through this with COVID right, everyone tracking
Speaker 9: us through what coffee shop you went to, what hotel
Speaker 9: you went to, what not? Do you have anything to
Speaker 9: hide necessarily? But you don't want yourself well, you know,
Speaker 9: I'm trying to be you know, its television, I'm being good.
Speaker 9: But you don't want the government knowing everywhere you go.
Speaker 9: And that's the problem. And I don't know the MyGov
Speaker 9: app itself like.
Speaker 6: Given me strength. Every time I've tried to use that
Speaker 6: app itself, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 7: It's way better than it used to be.
Speaker 6: Hav another courage to go under.
Speaker 2: The previous government?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? That's what it is that
Speaker 1: Clara Neal is a great.
Speaker 6: To describe today as a honeypot for cyber attack.
Speaker 1: Of course it is.
Speaker 2: It's a fut of the rainbow because remember the data
Speaker 2: was that there was a data leaks at state level
Speaker 2: when this was all propped up in and around.
Speaker 1: So again, the issue is that if there's a repository.
Speaker 2: Of information, do I agree to be put in the
Speaker 2: in the pot of information or am I already in
Speaker 2: the pot of information? And the only consent that the
Speaker 2: only play, the only way I get to play into
Speaker 2: the system is whether I do or don't want to
Speaker 2: access the pot of information.
Speaker 8: I think, to be honest, it's high risk, high reward.
Speaker 8: It's like the e health system, which was going to
Speaker 8: be fantastic, but nowadays so few people opted into it,
Speaker 8: and it was so sort of piecemeal that you go
Speaker 8: to anyone who's had any experience with the health system,
Speaker 8: it's awesome, but the basic stuff that just often gets missed.
Speaker 8: That I know because my wife knows all this sort
Speaker 8: of stuff about my kids when they're in there and
Speaker 8: they'll tell one person that he needs this medication that
Speaker 8: doesn't get passed on because it's all just put on
Speaker 8: a clipboard on the end of the bed like that.
Speaker 7: That is not going to last forever.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 8: This is like the new Australia card and no one
Speaker 8: likes it, but sooner or later, this is going to
Speaker 8: be the way of the future. Just like you know,
Speaker 8: the bit of paper that used to be a driver's
Speaker 8: license is never going to be sure and if you're
Speaker 8: using a credit card. The government has always already or
Speaker 8: bank is already tracking every single place you know.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 2: I was going to go into a very detailed story here,
Speaker 2: but i'll save you. As you know, in Brisbane, right
Speaker 2: after a certain time of nine, everyone's got to pull
Speaker 2: out their driver's license to go into and it's scanned
Speaker 2: and it's kept. And again there's that moment where you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't mind checking ideas because and I get that
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do is have a database of
Speaker 2: on you're a bad person who did something wrong, But
Speaker 2: socially it's clearly acceptable because it's the only way to
Speaker 2: get to the pub.
Speaker 6: But cheese.
Speaker 2: It is a very strange experience having to create a
Speaker 2: footprint in something that's very social and it feels like
Speaker 2: to me that it's about trying to create a digital
Speaker 2: footprint in areas where the government's why do they need
Speaker 2: to know anything about this?
Speaker 6: Well, from what I read today, it was opt in.
Speaker 9: It is opt in, but it's access to your passport,
Speaker 9: you know, Like I said, the licenses online now, so
Speaker 9: it is all there.
Speaker 6: And my concern is the risk of a cyber attack.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's just the I mean simultaneous
Speaker 2: that we're always told about be careful with your data,
Speaker 2: to be careful with your data. How many companies, Oh,
Speaker 2: where the magical government will be okay because we're paying
Speaker 2: Amazon billions of dollars for a cloud when it comes
Speaker 2: to the National Defense Network, which I know is different
Speaker 2: than next you said now never, you know I didn't vote.
Speaker 2: You know I pushed hard against Bill Shorten. I would
Speaker 2: never vote for him under any circumstances. But he was
Speaker 2: right when he was on Channel two last night talking
Speaker 2: about whether gambling advertising should be completely banned, whether it
Speaker 2: should be capped, or whether it should be a free
Speaker 2: for all. Here he is being asked by a bunch
Speaker 2: of pearl clutches, I'm not convinced that complete prohibition works.
Speaker 10: I think that we can do better than just one
Speaker 10: hour before, during and one hour after.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 10: There's no reason why gambling ads should be on when
Speaker 10: there's kid shows on. There's no reason why they should
Speaker 10: be infiltrating the digital markets.
Speaker 2: He also went on to say it is an important
Speaker 2: source of revenue for commercial broadcasters. I know this is
Speaker 2: breaking news to ever run over at Channel two, but
Speaker 2: you need revenue in order to be able to employ
Speaker 2: order the people who work for it, the people you like,
Speaker 2: and yes to the people you don't like.
Speaker 1: That's the way it works.
Speaker 2: Where are you on this, because I understand the people
Speaker 2: that are You know, this is a vice, you know,
Speaker 2: flush it from our eyes. But it's also legal. And
Speaker 2: it's like nobody taxed lead paint. Nobody limited the advertising
Speaker 2: of lead paint. They got rid of it. Instead with tobacco. Oh,
Speaker 2: we'll tax it, but you can't advertise it. This will
Speaker 2: tax it, but you can advertise it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's one of those advertising campaigns where it's
Speaker 9: it's like in America where you sit there and you
Speaker 9: watch the medication.
Speaker 6: It's going to change you. It's going to change your life.
Speaker 6: It's going to stay. But you know the fine print
Speaker 6: is you know it's going to kill you.
Speaker 7: Correct.
Speaker 6: At least these at least these ads.
Speaker 9: Do have the disclaimer at the end of it. But
Speaker 9: I do understand from a parent's perspective, when the kids
Speaker 9: are there and they're seeing it, I don't think of
Speaker 9: you want your family around watching sport that they should
Speaker 9: be watching. Yes, gambling is it is something you should
Speaker 9: be doing. However, there is the issue of when they're
Speaker 9: on YouTube or they're online playing video games, they are
Speaker 9: also being targeted with very similar ads.
Speaker 2: Right, well, this is the thing, This is the thing.
Speaker 2: All of the powers that exist, generally speaking, are about
Speaker 2: what's been around for a long time. The problem is
Speaker 2: in the space they have no ability to regulate, which
Speaker 2: is the stuff that could be coming out of a
Speaker 2: you know, a digital farm in Barbados.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I'm really suspicious of syntaxes.
Speaker 8: Not only do they tend to punish the poorest people
Speaker 8: who are reverting to things like these to ease their
Speaker 8: you know, he's their pain, he's their soci situation because
Speaker 8: they can't afford other stuff. So things like taxing sugary
Speaker 8: drinks so there's unaffordable, or taxing mackers, or driving up
Speaker 8: the cost of cigarettes.
Speaker 7: And this is kind of like I just don't understand.
Speaker 8: I'm all for harmonimization and that sort of thing, but
Speaker 8: it strikes me as just passing weird that the sort
Speaker 8: of progressive agenda is you know, ban all gambling ads,
Speaker 8: ban fast food, ban sugary drinks, legalized drugs. But then
Speaker 8: exactly like thank you does banning it driving underground and
Speaker 8: men you can't regulate it, and you don't know who's
Speaker 8: it or not.
Speaker 2: And again the worst and then the reason it has
Speaker 2: to be legalized is because nobody knows what's technically.
Speaker 8: Theirst form of gambling isn't betting on the Australian Open
Speaker 8: or horse racing. It's poker machines, and advertising for them
Speaker 8: is already banned and indeed, as the less point or
Speaker 8: yours like whenever kids are online or whatever on your phone,
Speaker 8: there are a thousand different games they could play that
Speaker 8: perfectly replicate poker machines to give them that buzz.
Speaker 7: And of course as soon as they say a real
Speaker 7: wh they're going to do it anyway.
Speaker 8: So you know, either you're making people smart enough to
Speaker 8: make smart decisions or you're just locking them up in
Speaker 8: a padded cell and banning everything we have.
Speaker 2: Apart from anything else. Experienced reporters, crisis communications people, direct
Speaker 2: personal advisors to the Prime Minister here, so a wide
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks time, looking forward to it. So
Speaker 2: here with of course at least got and with the
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand. Let's talk about Trump. So I mentioned the
Speaker 2: point before. Look, we know that the traditional media has
Speaker 2: all just decided Harris clean slate queen all the way through, right,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna sit in bitch and moan about it.
Speaker 2: And there's plenty of accountability to come from the bitching
Speaker 2: and moaning about it. However, as I pointed out before,
Speaker 2: Trump's advantage on social media in terms of number of
Speaker 2: followers is thumping thumpingly large. All right, Now you can
Speaker 2: cut videos and it's all great, but then the guy
Speaker 2: has to follow up with the message. Right as a
Speaker 2: person who has only given wonderful advice to wonderful clients,
Speaker 2: but just imagine that there was one who doesn't really
Speaker 2: follow much advice and it's kind of looking over him.
Speaker 2: How do you get somebody to pay attention that if
Speaker 2: they don't get it right, it's not going to end
Speaker 2: the way they want it to.
Speaker 9: Especially when you're the one taking the calls from the
Speaker 9: media when it goes bad, right and you're having to
Speaker 9: shield them. Look, I would hate to be doing Trump's media.
Speaker 9: He is a force of his own making and he
Speaker 9: does what he wants to do. And I think matching
Speaker 9: him with Musk today that was great because the two
Speaker 9: of them, as long as it was two hours, they just.
Speaker 6: Both better off each other. So I think that's great.
Speaker 9: And he is owning those channels because he is not
Speaker 9: getting a fair run apart from you on Foxy, he
Speaker 9: just doesn't get a fair run, So he has to
Speaker 9: own his own media and I think increase. That's what
Speaker 9: we're seeing with legacy media dropping off for being so biased.
Speaker 9: You have to find ways to get out there on your.
Speaker 2: Own well, and Joe, you've sort of got you know,
Speaker 2: for a man with two feet, you have seven feet
Speaker 2: and seven different camps, which I appreciate.
Speaker 7: Thank you, very supple you.
Speaker 2: You know the difference between sort of the quick in
Speaker 2: and outside of chat on the telly and then increasingly
Speaker 2: what millions of people turn to, which is a longer form,
Speaker 2: looser chat. Right that it could be ten, fifteen, twenty
Speaker 2: an hour. The Joe Rogan can be the two hour stuff, right.
Speaker 2: That stuff can help you because people get to hang
Speaker 2: out and go chee, you know what. I kind of
Speaker 2: like that person. And then conversely they can turn around
Speaker 2: and take something for a minute twenty eight and go click,
Speaker 2: and then you seem like you're crazy. Do you think
Speaker 2: that there are people who would tune in to something
Speaker 2: with a Trump who are kind of the independence going
Speaker 2: you know what?
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot. I'm just going to double check
Speaker 1: is he crazy right now?
Speaker 7: Is he not?
Speaker 1: Which Trump is turning up?
Speaker 7: I think?
Speaker 8: And again it's so hard to tell, And it's so
Speaker 8: hard to tell in an election where you know half
Speaker 8: the game is getting out of the vote. But I
Speaker 8: think Trump is such a known quantity that if you
Speaker 8: are voting for him.
Speaker 7: You are all in on him. You will wade through
Speaker 7: a pit of lava.
Speaker 8: To get to the polling booth and you will vote
Speaker 8: for Donald Trump as many times as you.
Speaker 2: Like a bend. You know all the deep cuts, you
Speaker 2: know everything from every album, not just the single.
Speaker 8: I think it's the same untruth social or when you're
Speaker 8: sitting down with El Musk. I just cannot picture any
Speaker 8: sort of ambivalent, slightly apathetic swing voters who are still
Speaker 8: undecided thinking, oh, you know, I'll vote for him. And
Speaker 8: I think that and I think the problem is I
Speaker 8: think the problem for Trump is that Karmala has brought
Speaker 8: out a whole bunch of people who were not going
Speaker 8: to vote for Joe Biden. It was a sort of
Speaker 8: the double head as a pox on both your houses.
Speaker 8: And people have come out and said, oh, yeah, she
Speaker 8: looks all right. She presents well, you know, as long
Speaker 8: as she's not challenged on anything or it's not live
Speaker 8: and it's all scripted, you know, she can talk well.
Speaker 8: And I think the question will be I think this
Speaker 8: election is now Karmal is to lose. It will be
Speaker 8: whether or not, like people who are a bit more
Speaker 8: switched on politically, the more they see, the less they like,
Speaker 8: and whether or not she falls apart in a debate.
Speaker 2: So alive, let me just ask one question in our
Speaker 2: final minute here. I think there's one thing that does
Speaker 2: break through everything, which is funny. Try to find something
Speaker 2: to be funny about. Do a funny meme, Do the
Speaker 2: funny stuff, because funny pushes through all of the deep
Speaker 2: cuts and everyone knowing everything right.
Speaker 6: Don't know the memes go out there.
Speaker 9: But I think Kamala's issue is she's just not doing interviews.
Speaker 9: They can't make a judgment call, and she's protecting herself
Speaker 9: by hiding away. So there was a question threaten at
Speaker 9: her a few days ago. She said, people will organize
Speaker 9: it by the end of the month, of.
Speaker 2: Which they're all okay, and they're all the defenders of
Speaker 2: democracy and all the rest of it. But when it's there,
Speaker 2: we get.
Speaker 7: The it's on the cover of time. That's all that matters.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, because we read that every week. Thank you, guys,
Speaker 2: do appreciate it. Thank you very much. See tomorrow, look
Speaker 2: forward to the potty and we'll see it very soon
Speaker 2: in Brizzy. All right, quick break and back with the
Speaker 2: late debate. Moments from now, looking forward to the wonderful
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly on the show tomorrow night. If you don't already,
Speaker 2: listen to her show Serious XM, but also find her
Speaker 2: podcast and her YouTube. She is right on the edge
Speaker 2: and she is never backing down on how bad Harris
Speaker 2: is and particularly how bad the VP is. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to her
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