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Speaker 1: So much comedy.

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Speaker 2: Goal you go to your sponsored year on two Cooper, Joel,

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Speaker 2: You're goes. It's a never ending stream of freebies just

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Speaker 2: arriving at outdoor all the time. Soon as we hear knock,

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Speaker 2: don't we jack, We just don't.

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Speaker 3: Bother it to Cooper. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well letting people know as well, who got half

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Speaker 4: of my freebies the other day because they didn't fit me?

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Speaker 1: Who got them?

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Speaker 3: It was me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they didn't fit you.

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Speaker 4: And then don't be ungrateful that I'm getting freebies because

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Speaker 4: I'm always flicking you guys.

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Speaker 3: Always flicking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, you go through my stuff to ensure

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Speaker 2: that I haven't taken any of your stuff.

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Speaker 4: My room's like the boxes that come to me. It's

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Speaker 4: like a Saint Vincent de Paul dumping box. I just

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Speaker 4: go and put it on on.

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Speaker 1: Dad's bed, and anything that's in my room sugar all

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Speaker 1: the time. He'll come in and steal it, sugar his room.

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Speaker 3: He's he is a hoarder, really yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's the stuff that I've found in your eyes up advertising.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now I've always struggled, like with culling, like I used to,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm pretty well documented I used to steal Maniac yeah, massive.

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Speaker 2: Clet I was taking him into Triple M. I used

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Speaker 2: to steal everything off people's head. He stole ten bucks

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Speaker 2: off Jamie Angel, the Boss once.

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Speaker 1: Off his desk. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Chris Page, who was Matthew's Panelotte, had a lot of

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Speaker 4: these things in his like horny.

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Speaker 1: Goat weed, remember that stuff?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, And I was like twelve, and I

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Speaker 4: just took it, not knowing what it was. And I

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Speaker 4: was like, well, I didn't need any use for it,

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Speaker 4: and at that time, which had it now?

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Speaker 1: Because I could put it to good use these days?

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Speaker 5: What was pages review on the horny gateweed?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You guys were like you guys had heaps of it

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Speaker 4: in a Triple M. I don't know whether they were

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Speaker 4: a sponsor or something.

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Speaker 2: There's lots of things we play all sorts of tricks

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Speaker 2: in Shenanigans. Someone would be going to the airport, traveled

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Speaker 2: on to Brisbane and we had a massive, big dildover there,

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Speaker 2: big and we used to strap it to a diot.

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Speaker 3: And camp stuff. Pretty MG's back. How are you enjoying

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Speaker 3: working with Fletch?

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Speaker 5: Good mate? Well, you know what it's light and just

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Speaker 5: just a knock a bit. I think it kind of

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Speaker 5: works because he's he's the youngest of seven fletch. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I'm the eldest of six. He has he got

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Speaker 5: seven of that. Yeah's youngest, youngest of seven, Bryan Nathan Fletcher. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: grew up in an apartment too, a three bedroom apartment,

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Speaker 5: so with seven kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything in the Eastern Suburbs.

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Speaker 5: In the Eastern Suburbs. His mother is still there today. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: the same same apartment.

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Speaker 2: Because flat choice explains like this, in the old days,

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Speaker 2: in the old days of Sydney, the coast was not

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Speaker 2: a coveted area because you know, they were concerns about

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Speaker 2: invasion and whatnot, particularly the Japanese, and so people would

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Speaker 2: generally want to live inland and it was only generally

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Speaker 2: the poor, the lower socio economic households that would live

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Speaker 2: on the coast, including the Eastern suburbs. How things change, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sure sure, sure, no fears invasion have you around here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this place is has followed on apart jold.

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Speaker 3: Joel, you're the eldest of five.

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Speaker 5: Elders is six, so mum and dad had five and

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Speaker 5: then mum, we've got a beautiful half brother Joey. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: so middle name John actually Joey John's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joey John.

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Speaker 4: Tell you what I've spun this before on the Family podcast.

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Speaker 4: There's a bloke down the road. There's a few of

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Speaker 4: these as well.

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Speaker 1: I used to play.

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Speaker 4: I played with the Matheson. John's short named Maddie John's.

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Speaker 4: His instagram is Madde John's played at Penrith and the Dragons. Actually,

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Speaker 4: but there's a real estate agent around here. His name's

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Speaker 4: Maddie John's. He actually works with Brad Parker because Parks

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Speaker 4: is now a commercial real estate agent with.

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Speaker 3: The hardboard Hilton.

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Speaker 4: Heah come up, yeah, because he rang me after I

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Speaker 4: plugged him on the Poddy saying mate, there's this bloke

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Speaker 4: on TikTok and he's like, hey, guys, what's up. Maddie

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Speaker 4: John's here, come to the open house and everybody always

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Speaker 4: praised him on it, going you're not for Maddie John's.

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Speaker 2: But that bloke he used to be on the Tricia

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Speaker 2: podcast yesterday with a couple of two dotings.

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Speaker 1: Two doting dads, Maddie Jay and Schwitz.

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Speaker 5: Was on the Bachelorie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone told him changed his name because he would

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Speaker 2: say on the phone or sudden they go, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Maddie Johnson and they go oh football.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a real estate agent and I hadn't heard

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Speaker 5: of this blake and apparently killing it in the States

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Speaker 5: leonce so higher. He's a real estate agent over the

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Speaker 5: States flying They tell me, wow, good guy Lance. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Remember the time in the in the Super Grand Final

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Speaker 2: where he got belted king hit and the guy who

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Speaker 4: That video was bad. Yeah, I remember it when viral forbid.

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Speaker 4: He was a big dude too. Yeah, it looked like

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Speaker 4: he had he jobbed him.

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Speaker 2: And then when Lance ht the ground, he hit him

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Speaker 3: Up having to out of court. He got sentenced. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big dude. Looked like he had

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Speaker 1: more than creatine and his sister.

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Speaker 2: So so so six in the family. What's the breakup?

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Speaker 5: So five boys and one girl, right, Yeah, it must

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Speaker 5: have been all the boys born in the city. My

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Speaker 5: You know what When I was a kid, boys, I

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Speaker 5: was very resentful to my parents, who were beautiful people

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Speaker 5: resentful for the upbringing. I'd be thinking, why did this

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Speaker 5: You know, why did this happen to me? And then

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Speaker 3: So an example with traveling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I went to ten schools, ten.

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Speaker 5: In ten schools and never got to year twelve, right, So,

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't discipline. It was mum and dad together

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Speaker 5: boy sadly passes. His name's Nash. So I always said

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Speaker 5: and then fourteen months later they've got Rick and three

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Speaker 5: But to rewind a little bit, Dad was a young

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Speaker 5: constable in the course, and one day they get this

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Speaker 5: and this is a different story. This bloke is there

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Speaker 5: off clotheslines. Right, so the yes, the cops turn up

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Speaker 5: But the real reason they were there. The rest of

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Speaker 5: the cops march on down this paddic where this tip off,

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Speaker 5: the Anita copy murder. Oh Jesus, yeah, jesus, yeah. It

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Speaker 3: But oh wow.

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Speaker 5: For a long time Dad and never talk about it,

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Speaker 5: But the brutality from these pigs, these pigs, these travers

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Speaker 5: So it's as a result of that, you know, Dad

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Speaker 5: they're coming to Lake Jellyga. So Dadd had ring all

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Speaker 5: the pubs. He'd say, guys, with sort of a half

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Speaker 5: And they'd all know people in town that, okay, the

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Speaker 5: But there was one kid running a mark and he

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Speaker 5: I've looked after him. I've put a lot of the

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Speaker 5: stuff under the carpet. It was a school holiday. So

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Speaker 5: this guy's in the back of the paddy wagon and

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Speaker 5: he's going to court down at West Wylong. That was

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Speaker 5: this is the life on you. I'm just sitting in

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Speaker 5: the court and this magistrate character. So he's getting stuck

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Speaker 5: into this young kid. He said, mate, list after the list,

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Speaker 5: after the list, after item after item. You need some

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Speaker 5: time away. He said, I'm going to hit you with

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Speaker 5: six months in jail. And this kid's got the rats tail.

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Speaker 5: He's chewing gum gun Barrel looked at the magistrate. He said,

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Speaker 5: six months, six months. I'll do that stand and I'm

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Speaker 5: good ahead, and the magistrate country Blake Larry and he said, oh,

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Speaker 5: excuse me, court attendant, could I just have you for

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Speaker 5: a second. She comes back over. It's going to make

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Speaker 2: It was just too disturbing. But what effect did you

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Speaker 1: Did he give you us? Did he like have a

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Speaker 4: Probably not renowned family men. When you first met your missus, was.

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Speaker 1: Was he very like hard with you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. We finished high school in Port McQuary. That was good,

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Speaker 5: Yes, I was in Port McQuary, and I just what

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but you don't want a kid you

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember there was one kid at the school

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Speaker 5: What about so you asked me about how to go

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Speaker 5: Here you are, mate, blahlah blah blah. We play and

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Speaker 5: I'm walking out of Cogra and phone rings Sally. Peter O'Sullivan,

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Speaker 3: Wow, relief.

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Speaker 1: Peter and Sullivan was still recruiting. Back then.

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Speaker 5: It was coaching SG ball, was it, Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: He's been around old.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He came through our Grand final was against Frank Peronician Manly.

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Speaker 5: They were coaching against each other.

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Speaker 2: He took him up as an assistant. Wow, Manly, Yeah,

437
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 2: he's done everything Frank in the game Frankfurt, hence his expertise.

438
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I get the phone call. I'm sorry, relieve,

439
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 5: he said, mate, not only that, you're gonna live with me.

440
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 5: So I'm going not beautiful. Three months later. Three months

441
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 5: later and he's driving an old pantech truck. Then and

442
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,919
Speaker 5: we're driving home from training one day. He's living at

443
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 5: Rudy Hill. That's where Pete was living and Rob living.

444
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 5: So we're driving at home and dinner tonight is his

445
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 5: ex wife Therese, which is Sean O'Sullivan's mum. She'd make

446
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 5: this beautiful what do they call beef stroging off. So

447
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 5: we're having that for dinner and Pete goes to me,

448
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 5: started to get a bit serious and always sort of joke.

449
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 5: He said, made to you. I'm homesick. I said, I'm

450
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 5: loving it. He goes, you're missing your girlfriend. I said,

451
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 5: I miss my girlfriend, but I'm good. He goes, mate,

452
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 5: we're we're gonna prop sit down the night he said,

453
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 5: between you and said, the club's this close to get readier.

454
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 5: I've been played a game. It's been the off seas.

455
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,199
Speaker 5: When I first got down there, they rolled the red

456
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 5: carpet out. But it starts to diminish and now I

457
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 5: can't think about this. I'm eating the strogging off and

458
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 5: it's a favorite meal, but I can't enjoy it, you know.

459
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 5: And we sit down and Therese brings out a cornetto

460
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 5: for a seat. We're sitting on the carpet and we're

461
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 5: watching the TV. He puts on. He said, you're not homesick.

462
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 5: I said, I'm not homesick. He goes, all right, well,

463
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 5: let's watch this. So he watches. He puts his tape on.

464
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 5: You what do you think about that run? I said, oh,

465
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 5: it's a great run. You know what about the pass?

466
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 5: Bang ran, tackles, went through all these metrics, bang bang

467
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 5: bang bang bang. So you promise me you're not amsick?

468
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 5: I said, not am sick. He goes, and everything's okay.

469
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 5: I said, everything's okay. He goes, well, how do I

470
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 5: get you back to doing that?

471
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

472
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 5: I said, how do I get back to doing that?

473
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 5: He goes, yeah, how do we get your back to

474
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 5: doing that? That's the boy we signed. I said, Pete,

475
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 5: that's impossible. He said why. I said, that's not me.

476
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 5: He goes, he goes, what do you mean that's not you?

477
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 5: I said, I said, that's not me, Like two little

478
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 5: blokes of brand. I said, that's my mate from the

479
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: Tari Red Ravers. He goes, that's who we wanted to sign.

480
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 5: He goes on, He goes, well, where the hell's he going?

481
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 5: I said, oh, I made He got a last minute

482
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 5: trial with the Knights. Danny grew up as a Dragons

483
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,239
Speaker 5: fan and was he wanted to be a Dragon, right,

484
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 5: He'd have posters on his walls and he couldn't have

485
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 5: done more. He was the best player there. So Pete

486
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 5: says to me, he goes, what are you going to

487
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 5: do with you? I said, well, for starters, they don't

488
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 5: want to playing looker too much. And he moved me

489
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 5: out of that. But as a result of that, because

490
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 5: if he goes there and you know what, Danny Badiera's

491
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 5: one of them. I don't need to tell you this,

492
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 5: but what happens if he gets stuck behind Nathan Brown

493
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 5: all those years? That's right, he goes to you guys,

494
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 5: has the benefit of playing with the Johns brothers. So

495
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 5: sliding door for him, sliding door for me.

496
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: It was tough three years for Bedsy after that that

497
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 2: Bedsy come to Newcastle and you talk about being an

498
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 2: able thinking yourself. Oh, my god, Bedsy was I remember

499
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: we used to get there and do sessions with the

500
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: juniors when we're playing first grade.

501
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 3: Andrew and I.

502
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: I remember Bedsy. He was just tied in ah, mate,

503
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: he was all over the place. Played in the halves,

504
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: he really struggled. They put him in the centers, he

505
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: really struggled.

506
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: They put him to full back, he struggled, and he

507
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 3: was just he was. He had a foot out the door.

508
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: And then one day there was just a spade of

509
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: injuries and they elevated me first grade and give him

510
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: a crack at a hooker. And remember walking off at

511
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: half time like he hit everything that moved.

512
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 3: I remember hitting. He hit Richie Barnett.

513
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: Barnett was a hard guy to hit because he'd lifted

514
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: his knee, and mate, Barnett wound up and he was

515
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: running at me, and I sooner think to myself, fucking

516
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: l this is gonna hurt. And then all of a sudden,

517
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: bang beds ed him inside off. Remember walking off at

518
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: half time, just going to Bedsy, are you all right?

519
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: Like for him after the game, he.

520
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 3: Just said, I found hooker easy. I didn't have to think.

521
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: I just got out there and played.

522
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 5: But he's a great for kids who missrep teams. I

523
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 5: tell this all the time, so I'll never forget. Barry

524
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 5: Sprague was the coach of our under sixteen as I said,

525
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 5: very ordinary group side, and he was from the gun side.

526
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 5: So there'd be five players who the league would regard

527
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 5: better than him at the Tarry Red Ravers. None of

528
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 5: them went on and Barry Spragg's picking number seventeen and

529
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 5: I'm the captain of his side at Port and so

530
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 5: I'm the captain of the squad and he said, oh man,

531
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about picking this young Banius as a seventeen

532
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 5: and I reckon he can play, you know, I said, yeah,

533
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 5: I rid him too, you know, put it. But it

534
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: was just even at sixting, you're that close to think

535
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 5: that he was going to what a career.

536
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing career, Edgie.

537
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 4: Sorry, you've just spacked my memory on a story of

538
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 4: clubs that signed the wrong players accidentally. So there's a

539
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: couple actually, but my favorite. So I was playing mainly

540
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: in the under eight ns and mainly we're talking to

541
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: this kid who was playing up in Cans this center

542
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: and they go, you know, send through some tape. We'll

543
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: have a look at it and if we think you

544
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 4: got anything, we'll come down play the SG bull sweet.

545
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 4: He sends through this massive tape he's cut together everything himself.

546
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 4: Him and his manager sends it down. Mainly are looking

547
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 4: at it, typical manly, very cutthroat. They look at it

548
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 4: and they go, what's that that fella on who plays

549
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: outside you?

550
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: What's his name? They end up signing the winger on

551
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: the outside of him.

552
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: He comes down tremendous player, like an unbelievable the work

553
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: rate of like no one though like could refuse to

554
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 4: do any work two games in does his ACL anyway,

555
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: he they end up the club's looking after and the

556
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: end up putting him with another one of those players

557
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 4: who lives in Western Sydney and he's on crutches and

558
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: he's done his ACL and he was a bit of

559
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: a rat bag and he ended up sleeping with the

560
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 4: bloke's sister and yeah, yeah, and the blokes sister, the guys,

561
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: the older brothers who were living in the house were

562
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 4: let's say they were quite heavy fellas, like they were

563
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 4: fellas you didn't want to cross anyway. Our coach rings

564
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 4: me one night and he says, oh mate, because you

565
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 4: got a spot at your house. I know why, he says,

566
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: I've just had to pick up to leave his name

567
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: out of it. What he's done, he goes, I just

568
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: had to pick him up. He was running, he was

569
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 4: on crutches and his brace, his a C L brace,

570
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: running down the m one and the brothers were chasing

571
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 4: him with with a machete. And then he was trying

572
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 4: to bring into our house. I said, keep that fuck

573
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: up as far away from it as possible.

574
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't want those brothers.

575
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: But signing the wrong blokes.

576
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: The biggest, the biggest soccer club in the world at

577
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: the time, AC Milan once signed the wrong player. They

578
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 2: looked at an English game and the great John Barnes

579
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: for Liverpool.

580
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: Of course will just won the title, all.

581
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: Done, and they're looking and John Barnes was close to

582
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: the best player in the world at the time, and

583
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: they went and made this and they're watching this play.

584
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: They way, yeah, he's the one way they get him.

585
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: Go a Milan and this player is really struggling and

586
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: turns up, well, they his name was Luther from set something.

587
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of his name, but it's well,

588
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: it's famous. So they went mate, that's the guy, and

589
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: they went and signed him, and later on they went no, no, no,

590
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: the player we're looking at it, but it was John

591
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Barnes and so they completely It's famous that they signed

592
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: the wrong player. You saped quite a bit of yes

593
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: days for over analysis.

594
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: And like that.

595
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all these to go on was just especially

596
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: in league, it was just video and basically.

597
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 5: Greek Smith, Yeah that's right, mate.

598
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: Greg Smith from Philadelphia Egles to the Newcastle Knights played

599
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: a first grade game, got deported two weeks later.

600
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: He played in the NFL. Or he said he did,

601
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: He said, well he was.

602
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: He was a squad player with the Philadelphia Philadelphia Eagles

603
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver. He decided to go cut and come and

604
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: lived in Australia, decided to play a bit of football.

605
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Someone tipped off Warren Ryan and one thing lose to

606
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: another and up with the Yank and the team.

607
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: I put him in the squad. So he's at the club.

608
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: Played a reserve grade game and I played okay, and

609
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: then we had a mile of injuries and w said,

610
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to put them, going to put the Yank

611
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: in the first grade. So we're playing the Bulldogs, the

612
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: Dogs of war and Ricky Stewart, Bradley Clyde at a

613
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: cracking side. Anyway, the Yank was going okay. In the

614
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: first time he was going okay. And then Ricky just

615
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: for after time put a bomb up. He went to

616
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: catch it, hit him in the head and they went

617
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: right out of bloods in the water and they just

618
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: kept going.

619
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: He played so bad.

620
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: Like I remember, after the game, there was just a

621
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: media throng going to Warren Ryan going at the club

622
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: going how can you put this bloke in?

623
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: And he come up to me Smithy and said, Maddie,

624
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: how do you think I went? And I think, oh

625
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 3: my god, you don't know. I said, you're okay? Yeah, man,

626
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: there was guys were saying you know that I was ship.

627
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't listen to see the Dragons. You're all most

628
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: famous for playing for the Tigers. So you go to

629
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: the Tigers. We'll talk about the crazy gang and see

630
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: Bawmain Tigers to start with.

631
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: Yep, I was at the Dragons and they merged. Then

632
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: I was at Baomain and then they merged. I'm not

633
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 5: going to run away from this. I ran away from

634
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 5: the Dragons. They went to a Green final, so I'm

635
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 5: going to stay here, and thankfully I got the last,

636
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 5: very last spot at the West Tigers because they're trying

637
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: to get Prett Hodgson. He decided to stay at paramattap

638
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: and what happened that year, and I'm so grateful for

639
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: this year. But this is the year the Broncos won

640
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: the comp two thousand and I said, Junie, you're gonna

641
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 5: play every game. He said, mate, we've signed Maddie Sears,

642
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 5: who might play Wayne Pierce the coach. Yeah. And I

643
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: trained as hard as I've ever trained, didn't drink. I

644
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: didn't really drink. Then I'm off the drink again now

645
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 5: as a result, thinking about getting back to your best.

646
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: But we played the Broncos in the first round and

647
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 5: they won the I got comeing out men and the

648
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 5: Matt's three tries most points in.

649
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: The compe three tries.

650
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 5: Fox gave me the player of the round. So I

651
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: was just on fire. But what hurt me is and

652
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: I'm so proud of what the dally ms and They've

653
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: got the list of the points scorers and it's a

654
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 5: blanket finished myself, your brother, Andrew, Matt Rodgers, Daryl Halligan,

655
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: Ryan Girdler and to be in that race of five

656
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 5: and ultimately win it. It's up and I'll never forget.

657
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: But where it come undone, Coops, And you can imagine

658
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 5: this when you were coming through young that was the

659
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 5: Olympic year, so the competition we missed the finals. So

660
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 5: my season finishes in August and the Olympics is in

661
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: Sydney and your host city. And so I've come back

662
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 5: the next season five K. So all those tries and

663
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 5: points I score, and you know, like I'm getting ragged

664
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: old and I'm getting caught and I never ever got.

665
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Back to a trdjole.

666
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard. When you have a really big season, you.

667
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: Throw everything into that year.

668
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the next year is very very hard to back up. Yeah.

669
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Particularly I always found in my career in the off

670
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: season when I was going to the next season, I'm thinking,

671
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: I've got this game by the balls. Finally I'd have

672
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: a shocking season. It was when you were turn up

673
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: a training every session, nervous.

674
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: Yep.

675
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: That's when you know, ahead of for a big season yep.

676
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah. And I just that's why I've got so much

677
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: reverence for these Panthers and the success they have, and

678
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 5: they just keep wanted to get better. Whereas I kind

679
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 5: of felt that from the age of five, I wanted

680
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 5: to be a first grade player and I've won a

681
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 5: dally M point scoring thing and I kind of felt

682
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: like I can've done it. There they've got there. Yeah, yeah,

683
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 5: like I've done what I've needed to do, and yeah,

684
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 5: that was kind of That's why it's.

685
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: So important, like you have you have your short term goals,

686
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: but there's got to be if you're a young player,

687
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: you've got to have a long term because, like you're saying,

688
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: the amount of players that go, I just want to

689
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: All I want to do is get to first game

690
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: and play one game, and then they get there and

691
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: they've worked so hard to get there and they kind

692
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: of go, like, what actually do I want to do now?

693
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: Like is my goal to win a Grand Final? Is

694
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: my goal to play State of Origin? Like so many

695
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 4: players actually don't know what they want.

696
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Then they just go.

697
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: They just play because they love it, but they actually

698
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: don't have an end goal. You see Penrith like they

699
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 4: want to win the comp every year yep, and you

700
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 4: can tell how I mean, this year they're struggling, but

701
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: the last four years, like they get back to preseason

702
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: and they Ultimately they just want to win. They want

703
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 4: to They would win the comp every year if they

704
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: wanted to.

705
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: And the difference Coop when you mentioned there about young

706
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: guys coming in the grade and they go, okay, I'm here,

707
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: is that the dream is very different to the reality.

708
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Is that you grow up playing the game, but you're

709
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: playing with all your mates in the park and there

710
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: aren't no consequences. You might win, you might lose, you

711
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: might play good, you may't play bad. I can't remember

712
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: I play good or bad or whatever. No one would

713
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: critique you.

714
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: And your whole goal is to play in.

715
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: The Sydney Competition or the Winfield Cup. And now's the

716
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: NRL and a lot of young guys will get there.

717
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Suddenly they get in there and they go there's criticism,

718
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: there's pressure, and it's just not fun.

719
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: Yep.

720
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Like I think if you went to a lot of

721
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: young guys and you went to the masks them honestly

722
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: in the NRL, are you enjoying your career? I reckon

723
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: at the very least half would say no.

724
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. And you know the thing right, So Ryan Hoffman,

725
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: so Jay Hoffman. Ryan was a Campbellton kids. He came

726
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 5: through with St. Greeks. Yeah, Fulton. He won a comp

727
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: with Fulton and I think it was Bronson Harrison and

728
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: a number of other those young sort of Rice Gibbs

729
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: West kids, yep. And Jay Hoffman his dad who was

730
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: a raider. He came to training and he must have

731
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: played with Bellamy, actually yeah he did, probably playing Bellamy.

732
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: He came to training and I was an iva of

733
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: country kid, right, And they say you become the sum

734
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 5: of the five people you hang around most if you

735
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: went through the first West Tigers team and ultimately it's

736
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 5: up to myself making bad decisions. But if you have

737
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 5: a look at some of the scoundrels on there and

738
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 5: that it was good times, mind you. But Jay Hoffman goes,

739
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 5: this is not for my son, dragged him out and

740
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 5: took him straight down to Melbourne m craig and his

741
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 5: career goes where his career goes, you know.

742
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: So well let's run through that, right, Yeah.

743
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: The West Tigers coups of ninety nine or two of

744
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and going forward for a couple of seasons there.

745
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: When you talk about that, they the Crazy Gang referred

746
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: to an English soccer side who were Wimbledon f C.

747
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Who had Vinnie Jones, Dennis Wise that they were they

748
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: were nuts. Well I'm telling you now, I reckon This

749
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: West Tiger's site has got them covered, and I'm not joking.

750
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: So you got Hopper, John Whardy, Maddie Sears Fields at

751
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: Craig Field, the late the late Great Terry Hill, Darren Center,

752
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: Jared McCracken, Luke, O'Donnell and the Beginner's Brothers. List goes

753
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: on and list goes on and on and on. A

754
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: couple of those boys have had for They had a

755
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: very difficult times.

756
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: It was time in jail.

757
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: But even I remember playing you blokes. It was just like, mate,

758
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: we played you blokes one day Campbelltown and I could

759
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: hear you blokes roaring in the dressing room next door,

760
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: and it was just made like there was some seriously

761
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: scary blokes.

762
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: Hopper, Hopper wasn't was not scary, But how good was

763
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: he coming out of court the other day? By the way,

764
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: where you met, I've been at your mum's house bringing

765
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: to your mum.

766
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: What was like for you to walk into the training

767
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: session with all those blokes. Because blokes like Jared McCracken,

768
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: I reckon, he's probably the most intimidating of the lot.

769
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 5: But you know what, Jared McCracken, mate, he took me

770
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: on a run and and he was good because he'd

771
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: pushed me. And where are some of the other older ones.

772
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: I'd be winning everything at training slow down, whereas the

773
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 5: good clubs that are trying to be not going the

774
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: other way. But Crackers was good, you know, like he

775
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 5: was just so tough, just one of those guys. You

776
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 5: look around to the sheds. We've got Crackers. We're fine,

777
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: We're actually flying. Guskuld said, this is the team to beat.

778
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 5: We're running. Second Crackers got hurt, hurt his neck, yep,

779
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: and then we kind of went into free fall. Lost

780
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 5: that game in the snow, had that big lead against

781
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 5: Penrith and Nulla vo and Pull. The tour went berserk

782
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 5: and that was back to back when we went back

783
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: down the back door.

784
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 6: Just remind me first Crackers. Cracker, who's so where did

785
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 6: he play Captain New Zealand, New Zealand Captain New Zealand.

786
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 6: He went to the Bulldogs from McQuary. Yeah, yes, his

787
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 6: dad was in New Zealand National yep. But he went

788
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 6: to Paramounta.

789
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: He come to prominence of the Bulldogs then went to

790
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: Paramatta and off to the West Tigers.

791
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: Don't worry a lot of those boys. Some of those

792
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: boys got the West.

793
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Tigers as far as financially, yeah money, So this is

794
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: two thousand how striking crackers would have been.

795
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: Oh like compared you know what, compared to today they're

796
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 5: on like two million dollars comparatively, I reckon or where

797
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: property prices were and what? Yeah, mate him and Terry

798
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 5: Hill and Terry Hill. Because I used to love Blacklock

799
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 5: and if I was every on the winger, not fullback,

800
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 5: I'd be coming in. He gave Fane Fanane beat a drum. Fernande.

801
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 5: He said, I'm not getting paid six hundred thousand dollars

802
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 5: to be the winger for the club, so he wanted

803
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 5: me to not do the Blacklock. If I came in,

804
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 5: it meant he's on the wing, say Fernanda, He'd say,

805
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 5: But just Terry Hill, I mean the late Terry Hill

806
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 5: and colorful, yes, but a great character. The first year

807
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 5: at the West Tigers really ripped in him and Tony

808
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 5: Green were tired as he had a great season. Second

809
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 5: year again the Olympic year, and everyone's had a long

810
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 5: time off Tony Green, the trainer he wear the speed

811
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: dealer Sonny's when he come out of a yeah, very

812
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 5: sleep great fellow. Though he were to come by some

813
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 5: of the blokes he was coaching, I wouldn't use. So

814
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 5: he got us to buy these three thousand dollar bikes,

815
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: and Terry Hill on all this money, refused to do it.

816
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 5: We're waiting at Centennial Park. One person's got to turn up.

817
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 5: It's Terry Hill and he comes around the corner of

818
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: this bright pink little bike with the tassels on the

819
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 5: side in the basket. We've all got these ubute, bloody bikes.

820
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: And he goes, Terry, you're taking the piece. What are

821
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 5: you doing? He goes, Toney, when have you ever seen

822
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 5: somebody run the length on the fucking motobike? And it

823
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 5: wasn't even a motorbike. You started just a carriage.

824
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: I'd heard stories that someone told me. I think some

825
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: of those boys are on about eight fifty. Oh yeah,

826
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: then yeah, back then about eight fifty. So there's twenty five,

827
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: twenty six years ago. But on top of what I

828
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: heard about Crackers, the Crackers had the big contract. But

829
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: he also said to the West Tigers in the contract

830
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: and I need to have a car dot dot dot

831
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: on my choice yes and right, and they went, oh yeah,

832
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: no problem, not really not understanding the fine print and

833
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: how ruthless crackers could be. Well, crackers goes you, I

834
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: want a hummer and he turned up with a hummer.

835
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened.

836
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: So what was they two hundred and fifty two hundred

837
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: ground then?

838
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and that's under the salary cap. Yeah.

839
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: Well, at the time there was when a will superly

840
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: come together for a while, there there was no salary cap.

841
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: It was just do your best.

842
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: I believe because I think the year in ninety nine, Joel,

843
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe there was a salary cap, and I

844
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: think the total expenditure there.

845
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 5: Wasn't because that Bronco Sidere's no way they fitted. They

846
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: were all Australians.

847
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: So ninety nine when the Storm beat Saint George 'll

848
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: Warre and the Grand Finals Saint George Lawara, I believe

849
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: total expenditure on players that year was almost fourteen million.

850
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 5: Yep. Oh wow, yep.

851
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Well you don't hear that, like that's not really talked

852
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: about much. That there was a few years where there

853
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: was no salary.

854
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: We all go through that two thousand Broncos side.

855
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but all the money that they were given

856
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: as the grant to get together, because this is one

857
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: of the incentives. They went to Saint George and they

858
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: went to Laura As they went to Balmain and West

859
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: and offered a large amount of money to merger incentives.

860
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: I believe that Saint George Lawara's money. They almost spent

861
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: it two years just on.

862
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: Players because it was this crazy rush to get footballers.

863
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: What sot Who was the big dog out of all

864
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: those all those colorful characters.

865
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 5: I think Crackers was a big dog. You know what.

866
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 5: Terry didn't fear anyone. Terry used to actually I wouldn't

867
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 5: say bully, but he was always after Luke o'donald. They

868
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 5: called him brains. He wasn't the smartest kid, but book smart.

869
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: But so one day in front of everyone, Luke o'donnald said,

870
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: come on, I'll have wrestled with you. And Terry had

871
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 5: this big strength about him, no one could beat him

872
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 5: in the wrestle. An eighteen year old Luke o'donald took

873
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: him on and ragged old him, and from that day

874
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 5: Terry sucked up to Luke o'donald, but Terry ran the show.

875
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 5: But he always had that fear, I fear, but but

876
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 5: that reverence for McCracken.

877
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: What were some of the things some of the things

878
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: you saw, because I've heard some I've heard some stories

879
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: about Shannannians at halftime. I heard some sans about what

880
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: would happen immediately at full time sometimes win, lose, or

881
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: draw before the coach would easily debrief yep, that there'd

882
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: be some shenanigans going on.

883
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I I was like a twenty twenty one

884
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: year old, so I was quite naive to what was

885
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 5: going on. And I know there was in hindsight lot

886
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: going on. But there was things like like We're playing

887
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: at Paramatta one day and one of the boys said, oh,

888
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 5: watch this. They've tipped out the one of the water

889
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: bottles out of the tray and they filled it up

890
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 5: with beer. And I've got to kick at the end

891
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 5: of the game, and then I would always put the

892
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 5: water on the face first, and that comes his beer.

893
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 5: It actually relaxed me, like get the kick right. Other

894
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 5: like Terry Hill if he had a bad game. So

895
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: Terry Lamb wasn't a big fellow, and he couldn't reach

896
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: the when he put the video caressett in. So if

897
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: Terry had a bad game, he'd actually reverse the taper

898
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 5: ind and so when bargat to do it, it wouldn't work,

899
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 5: you know, and Hopper see bit Hopper. In fact, Terry

900
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: Hill used to call one of Terry Lamb's assistance, I

901
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 5: won't name hi because hes embarrassing. Right, a minibath, right,

902
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: a mini bath And I'd say, what do you call him? Minibus?

903
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 5: He goes, oh, because he's half a fucking cage. He

904
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: had all these one liners Hopper who they couldn't control.

905
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 5: Hopper Hopper, you know, like he'd play every game, he'd

906
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 5: do twenty carries two hundred meters, but was the worst training.

907
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 5: He was just a natural athlete. So they kind of

908
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 5: worked out, if you going to give us a twenty carries,

909
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: who cares? You know, he'd do the beep test with

910
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 5: a like a bat and he'd just touching each side.

911
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: But they let him go, right, Hoper get away with

912
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 5: but you know the Hopper what he's the Hopper? How

913
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 5: that started? We'd been flogged one game and Terry Lamb

914
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: had ascertained that our play the balls were real slow.

915
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 5: So he said, right, we're going overload on Quick Play

916
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 5: the Ball speed this week. So we had to wrestle

917
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: each other. Him and I were on the wings this week,

918
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: so it's him verse I best of five. Whoever lost

919
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 5: had to do this fitness challenge, which again Hopper hates. Right.

920
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 5: So I'm two two and oero, I've got it at

921
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 5: one more and I've won this challenge the time and

922
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: the speed of the play the Ball, So I'm going

923
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: to beat him for a third time. I go to

924
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 5: get up and so I'm in this crouched position and

925
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 5: then next thing you.

926
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: Know, oh, hoppers put the right put the finger up,

927
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: the finger.

928
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 5: Up the right. So I was the first to get

929
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 5: got He got me like this, and so he's gone

930
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: on to win three too, because I wasn't going to

931
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 5: push a friendship after that and I was happy to

932
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 5: do fitnes anyway. Yeah, so then the games, he's doing it.

933
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 5: Every week he's getting someone. You'd see someone from Quick

934
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: Play the Ball and you'd see them get this right.

935
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, so obviously that the Hopper scandal when

936
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: Hopper put his finger up someone's of ars. Yes, so

937
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: he was doing that. Yeah, did you see him like

938
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: even games prior to that, allegedly, I.

939
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: Guess he doesn't away from it. Now he's got the

940
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: T shirt.

941
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got the T shirts. He's got much but

942
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: but but how he got done was he had the ball.

943
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: So that's right.

944
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 5: So he had the ball and bowman's on top of him,

945
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 5: and he's got trigger happy and and up there because.

946
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: He got comfortable. So do you get away with it?

947
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: Okay, let's not use the name of the player. Let's

948
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: call him Johnny Gambler.

949
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 5: Okay.

950
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: He was well known around the place, but a few clubs,

951
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: and it's legendary the amount of money that he would

952
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: gamble with.

953
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: What did you see that player?

954
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 5: So Johnny I was running the Punners Club. So you know,

955
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: you got to Kenkoon at the end of the year,

956
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 5: and this guy was earning mega dollars. He was six

957
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 5: hundred thousand, six maybe more he.

958
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: Was on in nineteen ninety seven. I think he was

959
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: on seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

960
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 5: He was a player, yep, yeah, yeah, great player, A

961
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: very talented player from a tough upbringing. And I kind

962
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 5: of you see this for some players where they're used

963
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 5: to scrapping and no matter how much you're going to get,

964
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: there going to self sabotage, right, So he would play

965
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: the poke's like a piano. He just the money would

966
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 5: come in and would go out. So the point where

967
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 5: at the end of the month we get paid monthly,

968
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 5: he said, oh, Jollie, can I borrow five grand? And

969
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 5: I'm a young bloke. He's a senior player, so of

970
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: course I'm going to say yeah. And I knew he's

971
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 5: getting paid big money. We get paid next week. I'll

972
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 5: pay your back. So I find out second hand. I

973
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: find of the other players he's backed us. And by

974
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 5: the way, it wasn't an illegal back in those days.

975
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: I don't know to back yourself, right. Fine, so we're

976
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: playing the Broncos up there at the old am z Stadium.

977
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 5: He's backed us with eight and a half start, and

978
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: I think we've got a few key players coming back.

979
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 5: So I actually remember thinking, geez, that's a big start.

980
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 5: Gup danzid Stadium, and it is a big start. A

981
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 5: t you steer and gun barrel at Thorn Webke Siven receiver,

982
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 5: Carol Tallis, Bluckie Takiri sailor bike and Walters Carl Webb.

983
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 5: You know, it just goes. It just doesn't stop right.

984
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: So they couldn't have been under the cap. They wouldn't

985
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: have been a cap. So we turn up, you know,

986
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 5: Flask gills around the grounds. Donny Moseley six all here,

987
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: Ray try to Lee Murphy converted by a gain, and

988
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: I try to Sean Berrigan six. All right, So the

989
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: game's in the balance. Johnny Gambler's chirp. He's up on

990
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 5: his feet and he's bouncing around. Eighteen and a half

991
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 5: start right out the hour mark, Flask Gills around the round.

992
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 5: Donny Moseley, nice try, barreling over car Web, scores a

993
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: try kick converted by Mick de Vie. He's two from two,

994
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 5: twelve points to six. The Fronco is leading the Tigers right,

995
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 5: ten minutes to go. Flask girls around the grounds. Donny Moseley,

996
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 5: thanks Ray, the Broncos going for try number three. Sliding

997
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 5: to the corner. Iken picks up the Broncos third, eighteen

998
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: points to six. He's converted that three from three for

999
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: devere Flas scords around the ground. JOHNI the Moseley, Well

1000
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 5: they're looking good now, Ray, Divi's just put it beyond doubt.

1001
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: He's just kicked his fourth a penalty goal and the

1002
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 5: score is twenty points to six. The Broncos look home

1003
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 5: against the West Tigers. All right, thirty seconds to go.

1004
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 5: We're attacking. So Gambler's name, last play, So play four

1005
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 5: twenty meters out there, play the ball. This is the

1006
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 5: game that got away from the West Tigers. Ball comes

1007
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 5: back away. Cherarco Mesher will be known futurely for pressure

1008
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 5: in rhyming slang. Looks to the left hand side, carting

1009
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: the ball forward, goes Jason Lowry five meters out. Now

1010
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: the Tigers looking to get something out of the scraps.

1011
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 5: They could have won this game. It was the one

1012
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 5: that got away. Screaming profusely for the ball. On the

1013
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: left hand side is Johnny Gambler. Mesher dummies of the

1014
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 5: left hand side goes as I let here's a chance.

1015
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 5: Murphy's open Mike get number two long cut out ball

1016
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 5: intercept Sailor. God No, Sailor's over the forty. He's over

1017
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 5: the fifty. When Sailor charging down the western touch line,

1018
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 5: he's going to get there with these only one chaser

1019
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 5: from the West Tigers. Look at the chase of Johnny

1020
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 5: Gambler sailor waves the gamblers in the corner right flash

1021
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 5: scores around the ground. Johnny Masley, what a great try

1022
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: to Wendel Saylor right on the bell e scores in

1023
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: the corner twenty four points to six. Kick the comfort

1024
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: de Vere. So people start to leave early to get

1025
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 5: their parking, and Diver's on the touch line the ultimate

1026
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 5: professional four from four for the day. Mick Devere moves

1027
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 5: in from the western touch line twenty meters out right,

1028
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 5: boot strikes it, heading towards the post. Do you blokes

1029
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: play golf it all? Yeah? Yeah, you know when there's

1030
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 5: a lake in front of you and your first instinct

1031
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: was I'll pulled the six sign out, You get the

1032
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 5: six sign and you put it back in. You go,

1033
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 5: now can get there with the seven. You hit the

1034
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 5: seven one over the lake and you know straight away

1035
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 5: you should have kept the six sign. Yes, the only

1036
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 5: way you can get that ball over the lake now

1037
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 5: is the magic loan. So you're going, oh, de Vere

1038
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 5: hasn't got on it as much as he would have

1039
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: liked to, so he's going, Oh, any gambler's behind the post,

1040
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 5: going oh the other way, heading towards the posts. Hits

1041
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 5: the posts and no goal. Ah. You know, have you

1042
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 5: ever come in from the pub, right and you haven't

1043
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 5: seen the game?

1044
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: Did he celebrate?

1045
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 5: No? Well, this is what I'm saying. He's like picking

1046
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 5: the ship. If you ever come in from the pub

1047
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 5: and you haven't seen the game, but you can see

1048
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 5: shaking hands. You know who's won based on demeanor, right, Johnny,

1049
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: Gil's going got on your empty good on your loggie,

1050
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: you know, and he's happiest in the world. Fast forward

1051
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 5: to training the next day. Now a week's a long

1052
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 5: time in rugby league, so we got carved up for

1053
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 5: the video session of the game. They got away six

1054
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 5: or and we'd always finish on a high player of

1055
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 5: the day, Mick all of us who came from Canberra,

1056
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: good student of the game, he would choose the player

1057
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: of the day. So presses play. So now we finished

1058
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 5: the review. Now we're looking forward for something positive and well,

1059
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 5: look ahead to next week's game. Presses play. Twenty meters

1060
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: out and five menters out. Messa the dummy half looks

1061
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 5: to the left. Gambler calling profusely, goes the other way,

1062
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 5: goes you Lett, cut out ball sailer. I'm thinking, how

1063
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 5: is this a whole must have picked the wrong tape.

1064
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 5: And then he paused at the halfway line. He goes, boys,

1065
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 5: this is what we need. This game was gone. Have

1066
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: a look at the chase from Johnny Hare. If they

1067
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 5: score under the posts, it's a guarantee too.

1068
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: True, yeah, it's a high standard.

1070
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: Let's try a forward a little bit.

1071
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go to England, but first, when you talk

1072
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: about it, we spoke about the mcginner's brothers.

1073
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, great, blakes.

1074
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: You when you went to England, you had to endure

1075
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: very probably one of the most difficult times in your life.

1076
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely tell us about what happened.

1077
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 5: Yeah. So, Bengalia and I were going to buy a

1078
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 5: subway franchise. Tigers had moved to Concord. We go to

1079
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: Westfields and we said, oh, there's no subway here, let's

1080
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 5: get a subway franchise. Just about how it all ticked

1081
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: off and the major sponsor, just by chance him and

1082
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: I went to the sponsors due We told him, you know,

1083
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: we're doing this subway and they said, great idea. Have

1084
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: you had it signed off yet? No, not yet. Do

1085
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 5: you want us our legal team to look through it.

1086
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: We said, oh, yeah, for sure. We gave him this

1087
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 5: thick document, they went through it. They came back about

1088
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 5: two days later, which in hindsight was really quick, and

1089
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 5: they said, boys, that's a great idea, this subway, great idea. However,

1090
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 5: we can do a lot better for you. A week later,

1091
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: John Scandalus, myself, Benny Gillier, a couple of ladies who

1092
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 5: are widows, which is quite sad. Jim Piper, Olympic swimmer,

1093
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 5: run a private jit from Bankstown, flying to Melbourne, limousine

1094
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: out to Point Cook, a suburb west of Melbourne. We

1095
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: get sold into this development all right, was going to

1096
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: cost four or five hundred grand, but we're sold convinced.

1097
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 5: And Benny's a boy from Dunside, scanned as a bloke

1098
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: from Cammelltown. I've been scrapping all my life, so we're

1099
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: just these scrappers who were just believers and trust people.

1100
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 5: And so long story short, I'm about to go to England.

1101
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 5: So I've signed Dad as a power of attorney. I've

1102
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 5: paid maybe sixty grand up front. I've got to probably

1103
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 5: pay four hundred and then fast forward to time in England.

1104
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 5: Dad saying this builder wants to take your court. So

1105
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: before he goes claiming you haven't paid him. You only

1106
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: paid him like sixty three thousand or something. I said, Dad,

1107
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 5: I've paid him sixty up front, and I've got two

1108
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: checks evidence of one hundred and seventy grand. So anyway, Dad,

1109
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 5: we look into it and those and the guy said that, mate,

1110
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 5: they weren'te hundred and seventy grand checks. They were seventeen

1111
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 5: hundred dollar checks. So Radison may and who were the

1112
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 5: major sponsor of the West Tigers, they had written seventeen

1113
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 5: hundred dollar checks to the builder on behalf of me,

1114
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 5: but they had written the copy to me as one

1115
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy thousand dollars checks. So for me, I'm

1116
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: thinking it's paid in full. And with my upbringing, this

1117
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 5: is a bloke just doing his best as a builder.

1118
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 5: I said to Dad, I said, Dad, tell this guy

1119
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 5: to drop the court case. I will pay him. And

1120
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 5: I sat it out to just give me some time.

1121
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 5: So as it turns out, I've crunched my numbers. I

1122
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 5: could rEFInd finance a little bit from the bank, but

1123
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: I'm still going to be short about two hundred K

1124
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 5: and I can't get it. Mom and Dad don't have

1125
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 5: any money. I can't get it. So if you think

1126
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 5: about us moving around all the time. The one thing

1127
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 5: I wanted for my family secured was a home, right,

1128
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 5: So I bought a home in Carrying Bar in year

1129
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: two thousand or suddn. That was the stake in the ground.

1130
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 5: So all my brothers lived there, my dad, mom and dad.

1131
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 5: We was separated by the stage and that was our home.

1132
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 5: The very first time in our lives we could call

1133
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 5: something a home. Someone was always living there, right, it

1134
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 5: was everyone called it. Holly Street was a home. Anyway,

1135
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 5: I'm going to have to sell the home. And then

1136
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 5: an angel turns up. An angel turns up in England, right,

1137
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 5: I'll never forget this. Kevin McGinnis turns up. I said, oh, Kevy,

1138
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: how are you mate? He goes, oh, good man. I said,

1139
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 5: who's leaving? He goes no one because you know the

1140
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 5: quota system in the end.

1141
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: Yes, it was Irish.

1142
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Irish. And I said, he goes, no

1143
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: one's leaving. I said, well, how do you fit the quote?

1144
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: He goes on Irish Cus and he's weaken on Irish Cass.

1145
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 5: I said, you're Irish. He goes surname McGinnis. I'm Irish

1146
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 5: cars right, yeah, So anyway, he's tearing the whole join up.

1147
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: He's the best player in Super League England footy or

1148
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 5: one of the clubs dobbed and said, this blokegain't Irish.

1149
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 5: He's as Ossi as you come. He's proud Indigenous man.

1150
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: So they've said, listen, you've got it by the end

1151
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 5: of the year. They're okay, because we couldn't make the

1152
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 5: finals anyway by next year unit to get this quot disordered.

1153
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 5: They wanted to keep beginners too, because it's good for

1154
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 5: the league. You got to get rid of someone. And

1155
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: the other players did want to go because their last

1156
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 5: ever contract. And I'm thinking, you, beauty, I need two

1157
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: hundred thousand to keep my home. So I said I'll

1158
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 5: go for eighty five thousand pounds, which was the amount

1159
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 5: to get two hundred thousand, and they didn't. I was

1160
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 5: playing decent, so they didn't want to get rid of me,

1161
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: but they couldn't sell it the other one. Finally they

1162
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: come back and say, yep, we'll do it. Thank god,

1163
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 5: I'm home. Except massive asterisks. If you come lasting get relegated,

1164
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 5: all contracts down void yep.

1165
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: So you've got to stay up in super League yep.

1166
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 5: The penultimate match. We're playing like sat Helen's in the

1167
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 5: final round. They're playing like Wiggan in the final round Cartofford,

1168
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 5: and you know over there, you just can't beat them.

1169
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. You're not going to be

1170
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: those top sides.

1171
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. So it came down to the last game, second

1172
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 5: last game. But for really like neither of us are

1173
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 5: going to win the last game, right because they those

1174
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: upsets don't happen. R So close to halftime, there's this

1175
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 5: kick and it's the ugliest kick and it just falls

1176
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 5: over in the corner and I thought, jeez, I might

1177
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: need that at the end of the game. I make

1178
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 5: this tackle. They've attacked our line. I'm playing fullback for

1179
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 5: six minutes, felt like an hour. If they score, they

1180
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 5: beat us, we get relegated. I lose my home. We're

1181
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 5: playing at the jungle there at Cartleford. I make this tackle.

1182
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 5: I'll never forget. I still remember it. Make this tackle

1183
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 5: on Paul Mellow. Games over and I'm breathing into the

1184
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 5: grass and I never got to win a Grand Final,

1185
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 5: lot you, But right then, in that moment, to finish

1186
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 5: second last in the competition was the greatest moment in

1187
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 5: your rugby league career because I could keep the home

1188
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 5: and that was all because of my angel Vy Irishman

1189
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: Kevy beginnings, Heavy arrived and just carved it up today.

1190
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 5: So did you play a part in that game too,

1191
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 5: by the way, Yeah, did any of.

1192
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 4: The boys know, like the boys that you were closest with,

1193
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: did you let them know how important that game was?

1194
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 5: No? No, no, one thing, no, no no. By the

1195
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 5: end of it, I was doing car We was like Landings.

1196
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 5: They could work out all but no, no.

1197
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Like Johnny Gambler.

1198
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So when people go through this sort of thing,

1199
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: it's collador damage. Yep, it's not just yourself, but you

1200
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: know effects particularly immediate family. What sort of effect did

1201
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: they have on your marriage and relationships?

1202
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 5: Well, soon after that, I came home. We came home,

1203
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 5: Cob and I and we'd had a young, our first child,

1204
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 5: and I was training on the sand hills and I

1205
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 5: was that fit and I was retiring in my mind.

1206
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 5: Tim Sheen says, made it come and train with us.

1207
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 5: So I trained the West Tiger's are out there, train

1208
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 5: with them, flogged them and he said bring me next.

1209
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: They said, you're back in the squad. I played the

1210
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 5: whole year, scored like forty tries in a reserve grade.

1211
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 5: But the problem was, unbeknownst to me, I signed a

1212
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: contract for like fifteen grand a game, no sign on.

1213
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 5: So come people are saying pick me, pick me, pick me,

1214
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 5: but they had no room in the cap.

1215
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: They couldn't They couldn't do it, whereas if they had.

1216
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 5: Just told me, I would have played. So it cost

1217
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 5: me a Grand Final ultimately, and I'll never forget. After

1218
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 5: that Grand Final, I sat on the side of the

1219
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 5: road crying. I had debt that I couldn't climb over.

1220
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 5: So I managed to hold it on the home, but

1221
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 5: it was huge debt. I had no income coming in

1222
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 5: and I always wanted to win a greend file and

1223
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 5: I had. I was crying on the side of the road,

1224
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 5: started drinking heaps. Kobe and I separated, so we'll separated

1225
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 5: for a good six months. And then what saved our marriage.

1226
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 5: I'm playing golf at Moore Park. Trent Robinson rings me.

1227
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 5: He says, Jolie used to play with Robi. He says, Mate,

1228
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 5: ever fancied you on going to France? I said, oh, yeah,

1229
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 5: for sure, mate, you when do you want me? He said, oh,

1230
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 5: has tomorrow sound the next day I read Kaby, I said,

1231
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 5: we'll separate. At the time, I said, Robbo has asked

1232
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 5: me to go to France. Do you want to just

1233
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 5: try it again? And Reese in you and we'll go

1234
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 5: to fan next day. We're all on the plane.

1235
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 3: Wow.

1236
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 5: Played in France, lived in France, loved it and be

1237
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 5: married happy. Ever since.

1238
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: You have been through some ship, let's cot to the

1239
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: most difficult situation like working at toob Sorry, just to

1240
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: close off Radison Main by the way, they caught him.

1241
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 5: He and his partner fled Australia. They ripped off all

1242
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: these people, got cart of Heathrow Airport extra dided went

1243
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 5: to jail. Get that into your pricks.

1244
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah that don't jump me open the throw gut of

1245
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: the Poke Brown.

1246
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 5: When they fell in trouble because they no one had

1247
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 5: ever sponsored Major sponsored two teams. They were trying to

1248
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 5: sponsor the Raiders as well. And Aska go and see

1249
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 5: Radison Main sounds for me and Radis is a big gains,

1250
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 5: a big name, and they had this prid of lines.

1251
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 5: Everything looked for me here, but I'm just tin point

1252
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 5: Operation Asex said, Oh, who's this Radison Maine. They looked

1253
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 5: into him, and then it all unraveled and wow, yeah

1254
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 5: to JB.

1255
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: So how'd you get to to Jibi?

1256
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 5: So I used to just mix lett Sorry Mick, butuder

1257
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 5: he'd get me to do fandom calls of Melbourne Cup

1258
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 5: in the showers and it's easy to call in the shower.

1259
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: And he fell sick one day and he went to

1260
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 5: he was doing community radio and he said, can you

1261
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 5: call for me? I said, no, worries call in the game.

1262
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 5: Penrith versus Broncos come up with this tardy line seem

1263
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 5: Friday crashes over on a Friday. I said, oh, thank god,

1264
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 5: it's Friday and I'm taping this. I'm taping this game

1265
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 5: and next to me the all conquering Continuous call team

1266
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 5: there Bose Blocker, Big Marn Hadley, and I've always to

1267
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 5: call for Hadley, and I thought, stuff it. If you

1268
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 5: don't ask, you don't get So I thought, how am

1269
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 5: I going to do this? He's such a busy man.

1270
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 5: So I waited outside doors. Crash open blocker comes ore

1271
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 5: Bojo comes out, Big Man Hadley and I just said, ray,

1272
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 5: I have you got ten seconds? So I thought, no

1273
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 5: matter how busy over and I've got ten seconds right,

1274
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 5: I said, can you ever listen to this for me?

1275
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 5: And I've pressed play. Oh, of all times, thank god

1276
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 5: it's Thie. I was so disappointed. That was the part

1277
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 5: that come up. So he listened to the tape for

1278
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 5: about a minute. He said, I'll call you tomorrow. I'll

1279
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 5: call you to moraw I tee what he did for me, Hadley.

1280
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 5: He never ever blasted me, so he called me. I

1281
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 5: started around the ground, started calling. He never blasted me

1282
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 5: until one day. I'll get a call at five o'clock

1283
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 5: in the morning and he says, maye, have you seen

1284
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 5: the front page of the paper? I said, mate, two

1285
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 5: minutes ago I was seen in the back of my

1286
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 5: eyelids like I've said nothing. It's five in the morning.

1287
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 5: He said, mate, Look, you wouldn't have got this. Dean

1288
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 5: Richie's got the story, but there's a big racial slur

1289
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 5: against Petrosive and Asiva. He was playing for the Panthers

1290
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 5: at the time. He said, you wouldn't have got this.

1291
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 5: But from now on, what I want you to do,

1292
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: he said, instead of sitting in the box waiting for

1293
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: the big man to drive aim together, he said, go

1294
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 5: and make contacts. He said, contacts is the most valuable

1295
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 5: commodity you can have in this game, right. So what

1296
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 5: happened was I started to do that and I wouldn't

1297
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: come upstairs until they were off here at six. So

1298
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 5: I was meeting never one at the club land, everyone

1299
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 5: at NRL Land to the point where I had suck

1300
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 5: this over the years, I'd have all these inns where

1301
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 5: one day I'll get tipped off about this person where

1302
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 5: Brookvale Oval and I said, tell Hadley to come down

1303
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 5: to me. I've got the Wolfman. And I purposely said

1304
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 5: the Wolfman. He goes, all right, let's go downstairs. Joel

1305
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 5: can't standing by with the Wolfman. David Whims. I said, oh, sorry, Ray,

1306
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 5: did I say Wolfman? I went, I meant Wolverine. I'm

1307
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 5: here with Hugh Jackman. No one knew he was even

1308
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 5: at the ground, but I'd been tipped off thanks to

1309
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 5: making all these contacts. This guy said, I'll give you

1310
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 5: in Hugh Jackman's coming in, so I'd teed that up.

1311
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 5: Other times we'd be at the groundy State of Origin

1312
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: Seal or the Madden Brothers or Russell Crowe, wherever it was.

1313
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 5: You weren't to touch them or speak to them. They

1314
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: get in there do their gig and they'd piss off.

1315
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 5: And Ray said, oh, you're going to get Sealed for me.

1316
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 5: I said, I'll get Seal. I'll get Sealed. Don't you

1317
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: worry about that. And Seal was playing at the northern

1318
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 5: end there at Aane Zeid Stadium, and I said, just

1319
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: keep an eye on me, and I'm going to be

1320
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 5: waving by the Big League Magazine when I get him.

1321
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 5: So I spoke to contact of the Nnerella. I said,

1322
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 5: I've got to get Seal. Rais told the whole station,

1323
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 5: the whole network. I'm going to get Seal. She said,

1324
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 5: there's a directive that no one's to get Sealed. We're

1325
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 5: not no one's allowed to interviewing. I said, I've got

1326
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: to get him. She said, all right, this is what

1327
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: we'll do. When he finishes, I'm going to turn left right,

1328
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 5: and it's all on you. Then if you want to

1329
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: cut through and go straight to him, you cut through

1330
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 5: and go straight through him. So, as per planned, he

1331
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: finishes his last song, she turns left right and I

1332
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: bline for Seal. I've got the Big League Magazine. I said,

1333
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 5: see it now, you mate. And I don't even like

1334
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: Seal't it's the worst interview I've ever done. But I'm waving.

1335
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 5: All I care is to get Seal. So I'm waving

1336
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: this Big League magazine. Joel Canes down there. He's got Seal.

1337
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 5: Let's go down a sideline at you. Okay. And so

1338
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 5: I was that excited the whole interview. I'm waving the

1339
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 5: Big League and Seal's like, just fucking and weave it.

1340
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 5: He's not going to hit him. It was a shit interview,

1341
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 5: but anyway I got him.

1342
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, Okay to finish with. Want to talk

1343
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: about something like that. You you love your racing in particular,

1344
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: jo I've heard you talk about the Melbourne Cup sometimes,

1345
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: like you know, it's ASA's most famous race. There's so

1346
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: many people that love, but you in particular, you love

1347
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: everything about it.

1348
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 5: Ashes will be on the finish line. I won the

1349
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 5: Melbourne Cup one year. Boys, I was I was dead.

1350
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 5: You boys been to the Cup? Yeah, so you get

1351
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 5: on that train at nine o'clock. That's the best way

1352
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 5: to get there, by the way.

1353
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: And I still think is a Derby Day do day?

1354
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: I think Derby Day's the best day of that of

1355
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: those three four days, you can't miss. What's so good?

1356
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 5: The train's the best way to get out there. You

1357
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 5: get out there, So nine o'clock you're on the train.

1358
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 5: By eleven o'clock you need subtitles, right, Everyone sideways and

1359
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: we've got a runner. On Cup day, we say, lucky you,

1360
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 5: we've got this runner. And because it's busy on Cap Day,

1361
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 5: you're not allowed into the enclosure. Normally you can go

1362
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 5: any time you like as an owner, but on Melbourne

1363
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 5: Cup Day you can only go the moment that race

1364
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 5: before yours finishes. So anyway, we're sort of allge. At

1365
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 5: the moment the Melbourne Cup finishes, we're in the next race,

1366
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 5: we can go into the enclosure, so we're absolutely polos.

1367
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 5: We charge down there and I'm just stargazing. This is

1368
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 5: the Melbourne Cup and I'm in the enclosure and look

1369
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 5: at all these people and this says color and it's great.

1370
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 5: And next year I get chatting to this blake and

1371
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 5: off we go.

1372
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 3: We're walking.

1373
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 5: I'm in this line and I've lost my mates and

1374
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 5: there's a tray of champagne and there's badge, Margaret Green

1375
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 5: VRC badge. She hands me a champagne. I scull this champagne.

1376
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 5: She says, sir, you've just won the Melbourne Cup. How

1377
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 5: does it feel? I said, oh, this feels surreal, like

1378
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 5: it kind of hasn't happened, you know. So I have

1379
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 5: another thing. I scull it. I give a big kid

1380
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 5: since you're go and enjoy it, sir. So I go

1381
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 5: in there, and whilst I'm in the Melbourne Cup winner's

1382
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 5: champagne room, I see this little screen number five. Check

1383
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 5: Sleaves goes into the barrier and I said to my

1384
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 5: other owners, I said, guys, I've got another runner in

1385
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 5: the next race. Back then I'll see the Melbourne Cup

1386
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 5: after party. Anyway, sit down around the bend. They come.

1387
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 5: Only room for Cassidy Cassidy presses. They go button saloon

1388
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 5: soldiers starting to warm into it. Sall on soldier too good.

1389
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 5: He is down by two lengths to win the listed race.

1390
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 5: There we were, my mates, We won on Melbourne Cup day.

1391
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 5: Greatest thing of all the time. So anyway, I following

1392
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 5: the boys and I see this for me your face right,

1393
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 5: I didn't know where we're going. Was following the boys.

1394
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 5: Green VRC vest name tag Margaret Trey is Champagne Margaret.

1395
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 5: She said, sir, to you again, Champagne scarlet. Give her

1396
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 5: a big kiss. She said, so I've never seen this ever,

1397
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 5: two in her own Cup day, including the Melbourne Cup winner.

1398
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 5: I said, oh look, Margaret, ive got to come clean.

1399
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 5: I tee your secret. She goes, you can see it.

1400
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 5: I'm a vault, I said, another champagne, another kiss. I said,

1401
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain this, but for some reason,

1402
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 5: this feels better than winning the Melbourne Cup. I've been

1403
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 5: there twice on Melbourne Cup day. But just to tidy

1404
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 5: things up, like a lot of people ask me about

1405
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 5: Tom Waterhouse. Yes, what was it like to follow Tom

1406
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 5: Waterhouse and how it happened? Yes?

1407
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: Yes, you he was? Was he was?

1408
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 5: He was?

1409
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 3: He Labracks, William Hill, he was himself. Of course.

1410
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 5: Of course he started his own brand, Tom Waterhouse dot

1411
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 5: com and that that was a betting agency, right, yes,

1412
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 5: so he was sponsoring the footy and all that sort

1413
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 5: of thing, and everyone's heads were falling off about it.

1414
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 5: You're now a sports but also but I had a

1415
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 5: catch up with this Bloke's a genius Englishman head of

1416
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 5: marketing at the time, comes up to Sydney and he said,

1417
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 5: oh you want to go for coffee? Went for coffee

1418
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 5: and we're in Pitt Street where the old George Gregan

1419
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 5: coffee house was. We're sitting down there. He's just he's

1420
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 5: a really good leader where he wants everyone's import and

1421
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 5: he said, if you want to have observations, I said,

1422
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 5: I've got a big observation. I said, here's the Daily Telegraph.

1423
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 5: You're in Sydney. Thumb through the back of the paper

1424
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 5: and tell me when you find an AFL article league

1425
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 5: League League. And this day it was a record league day.

1426
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 5: It was just twenty pages of league. No AFL. And

1427
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 5: he said, I know what you're saying. I know what

1428
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 5: you're saying because we were very Melbourne Victorian AFL centric business.

1429
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 5: And I said, there's a big old world out there

1430
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 5: and it's not just say Fell. He said, leave it

1431
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 5: with me. Nine months later from nowhere wins the rights.

1432
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 5: But before he does it, he says, well, how are

1433
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 5: we going to how are you going to sort of

1434
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 5: follow Tom? Tom got everyone off the bit because it's

1435
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 5: right racing. He would talk odds and it's free to

1436
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 5: wear stuff right, So if you didn't like racing or odds,

1437
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 5: you're going to be turned off. So I said, what

1438
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 5: I'm going to do is we have to be respectful

1439
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 5: that not everyone loves punting, not everyone loves racing, not

1440
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 5: everyone loves odds. All my content, yes, odds will get

1441
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 5: splashed up, but I'm not going to reference odds and

1442
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 5: all the insights that I give. I'm going to try

1443
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 5: and make it interesting for you if you're a punner,

1444
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 5: and you if you're not a punner, so that you're

1445
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 5: going to get something out of it anyway. Right. So

1446
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 5: that's how I've tried to sort of craft and that's

1447
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 5: how sports got involved with rugby league and the way

1448
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 5: it went.

1449
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good yourself and dan Ganaine, Shawnie and Sean,

1450
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: it's really entertainment.

1451
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: It's entertainment.

1452
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: You're giving serious analysis on the football and the odds

1453
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: are just sort of tucked in there somewhere.

1454
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 4: People can they can pun if they want. Yeah, well

1455
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 4: they can just back their team watching on the TV.

1456
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 4: Before we let you go, because you're about to go

1457
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 4: and record The Run Home on s C with Joel

1458
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 4: and Fletch, which is an excellent show.

1459
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: We Get This Man Live today at the studio Live

1460
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: in Studio.

1461
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 4: You spoke about Fletch at the start, but what is

1462
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 4: you and Fletched because you're you're would you say you

1463
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 4: to a polar opposites.

1464
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely, I am. He's a superstars, you know,

1465
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 5: absolute gun. I just got to play half back and

1466
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 5: sitting in the ball early position, no dummies, and.

1467
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: It's not playing inside Homo just hit him early.

1468
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 5: But how we started, we had a photo shoot Maddie

1469
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: and all the team that he and Voss and Brandy

1470
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 5: and Jimmy and Maddie White and everyone, and let's said,

1471
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 5: let's go grab a beer, you know. So we grabbed

1472
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 5: me and we had four scooters. I reckon about twenty

1473
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 5: minutes and he said, how do you want the show

1474
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 5: to be? And I said, look, every sports show I

1475
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 5: ever listened to, they want to go, they want to

1476
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 5: please everyone. Temp ten percent to mays l Temp. It's all.

1477
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 5: I said. I've never sat at the pub with that

1478
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 5: building the conversation. Never never, So I said, when I'm

1479
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 5: at the pub, blokes are taking the piss out of

1480
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 5: each other. So let's do that. You know, listeners can

1481
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 5: take it out of us, we'll take it out of them.

1482
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 5: We talk about our favorite sport, which we mostly talk

1483
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 5: that's what we do, and we talk about what's topical.

1484
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 5: Maybe it's the US Masters maybe. And the other thing

1485
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Speaker 5: is we talk about things that aren't sport. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's you know, Fletch loves that vax machine that fires up,

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Speaker 5: and so it's it's a it's a good he makes

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Speaker 5: a show, and I'm conscious of how important he's doing.

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Speaker 5: I just play my part.

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Speaker 2: I'm always really I'm a big believer that when you're

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Speaker 2: on air, it doesn't matter what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: It's just got to be entertaining.

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Speaker 2: It can be it can be serious. You could be

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Speaker 2: talking about Lachlan Galve and where's he going to go

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Speaker 2: and make it entertainment. You can be taking the piss

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Speaker 2: some bit of fun. Got to be entertaining. You can

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Speaker 2: talk about film, you can talk about music.

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Speaker 3: Just got to be entertaining. That's the bottom line. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It's just got to be entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Yep, work, great.

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Speaker 2: Jobs coming over the start to thanks coming all the

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Speaker 2: way over, brother.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Well done to Jack a too, and what

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Speaker 5: he's doing with this show, well don Jack, Oh Jack.

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Speaker 5: Can I give a shout out to one of my

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Speaker 5: favorite nights, especially Lader Maddie Craiger. Can you give him

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Speaker 5: my best.

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Speaker 1: He's a big listener to you guys. You know he's

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Speaker 1: a big fan. He listens every day.

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Speaker 3: Apparently two croaks. Great good, good footballer.

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Speaker 5: Sure he does good on your man, Thank you