1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoday production. 2 00:00:10,121 --> 00:00:13,521 Speaker 2: We begin today by acknowledging the traditional custodians of the 3 00:00:13,601 --> 00:00:16,401 Speaker 2: land on which we gather today and pay our respects 4 00:00:16,481 --> 00:00:19,641 Speaker 2: to their elders past and present. We extend that respect 5 00:00:19,721 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people's here today. Welcome 6 00:00:25,481 --> 00:00:28,801 Speaker 2: to the Grow and Glow Podcast. I'm Ashy, I'm Kiara. 7 00:00:28,961 --> 00:00:31,321 Speaker 2: This is a podcast where we learn, laugh, and level 8 00:00:31,401 --> 00:00:33,241 Speaker 2: up together. Let's go deep, let the. 9 00:00:33,161 --> 00:00:36,161 Speaker 1: Emotions flow, and find the lessons to grow and glow. 10 00:00:36,521 --> 00:00:38,321 Speaker 1: Nothing is off the table with Grow and Glow and 11 00:00:38,361 --> 00:00:43,161 Speaker 1: we're here to be your expander. 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: Hello, guys, welcome back to Grand Glow. 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,961 Speaker 1: Why are we so weird? 14 00:00:51,361 --> 00:00:52,201 Speaker 2: Whacky Wednesday? 15 00:00:52,321 --> 00:00:57,881 Speaker 1: Whacky Wednesday? Today we're talking about victim mentality. Yeah, something 16 00:00:57,881 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: that we're definitely I feel all have fallen into at 17 00:01:01,241 --> 00:01:04,121 Speaker 1: some point in our lives, maybe some more than others. 18 00:01:04,281 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: And listen to this. You might think of people in 19 00:01:06,241 --> 00:01:09,241 Speaker 1: your life that really it's their emotional home and they 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,961 Speaker 1: go to But let's get straight into it. Yeah, So 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,521 Speaker 1: someone who is in victim mentality is someone that's just 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,441 Speaker 1: always the victim. Like life's always hard, things are always 23 00:01:20,481 --> 00:01:24,281 Speaker 1: going wrong, the glass is half empty. They haven't found 24 00:01:25,441 --> 00:01:28,481 Speaker 1: a way to be more positive and to find the 25 00:01:28,601 --> 00:01:30,961 Speaker 1: lessons and to grow through the hard times. They just 26 00:01:31,041 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: think life is just always hard for them, and they 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,681 Speaker 1: have it harder than anywhere else, and it's a really unhealthy, miserable, 28 00:01:37,801 --> 00:01:40,241 Speaker 1: sad place if that is your emotional home. Yeah, Like 29 00:01:40,321 --> 00:01:42,161 Speaker 1: we all have moments of feeling like a victim, and 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,121 Speaker 1: sometimes you are victimized. But the key is to be 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,961 Speaker 1: able to feel all and then know when to move 32 00:01:48,041 --> 00:01:49,481 Speaker 1: through it and not let it drag on too much, 33 00:01:49,481 --> 00:01:52,001 Speaker 1: because otherwise it really is a low vibration. Like you 34 00:01:52,041 --> 00:01:53,641 Speaker 1: just don't feel happy, you don't feel good, you don't 35 00:01:53,641 --> 00:01:56,481 Speaker 1: feel a lie, you can't you lose your power, you 36 00:01:56,561 --> 00:01:58,761 Speaker 1: don't take steps to move forward and grow. 37 00:01:59,121 --> 00:02:02,361 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, when I think of someone in victim mentality, 38 00:02:02,721 --> 00:02:05,481 Speaker 2: I think of somebody who struggles to look things from 39 00:02:05,521 --> 00:02:08,481 Speaker 2: a different perspective. I think it's someone that they see 40 00:02:08,801 --> 00:02:11,041 Speaker 2: what's happened and they don't actually look at the facts 41 00:02:11,081 --> 00:02:14,481 Speaker 2: of the situation and go like, Okay, what's actually really 42 00:02:14,481 --> 00:02:16,921 Speaker 2: going on here or how did I play a part 43 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,721 Speaker 2: in this? It's also like taking a bit of account 44 00:02:18,721 --> 00:02:22,041 Speaker 2: of responsibility. Yeah, So for me, it's just somebody who's 45 00:02:22,161 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: really kind of shut off and like this is the 46 00:02:23,761 --> 00:02:25,041 Speaker 2: way it is and that's why it is and blah 47 00:02:25,081 --> 00:02:27,321 Speaker 2: blah blah, poor me, yea, rather than being like, oh, 48 00:02:27,441 --> 00:02:29,641 Speaker 2: maybe they did it because I did that, or maybe 49 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,841 Speaker 2: that happened that way because of this, or you know, 50 00:02:31,921 --> 00:02:34,361 Speaker 2: trying to have compassion and see things from another angle. 51 00:02:34,481 --> 00:02:37,601 Speaker 1: They really blame a lot too. They blame other people, 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: they blame outside situations, they blame their environment, they blame 53 00:02:41,321 --> 00:02:44,641 Speaker 1: their past a lot. And this was me to a 54 00:02:44,921 --> 00:02:50,481 Speaker 1: tea growing up in my teenage years, even early twenties. 55 00:02:50,481 --> 00:02:52,721 Speaker 1: It wasn't until I started in my self development journey 56 00:02:52,761 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: and did my first Tony Robins course that I realized 57 00:02:56,281 --> 00:02:59,281 Speaker 1: what a victim I was like in my whole life. 58 00:02:59,441 --> 00:03:01,481 Speaker 1: I just remember being such a victim, and I think 59 00:03:01,481 --> 00:03:03,881 Speaker 1: it kind of served me in a way because I 60 00:03:03,921 --> 00:03:06,081 Speaker 1: felt like, as a kid in his teenager I didn't 61 00:03:06,081 --> 00:03:11,001 Speaker 1: get much significance or love or attention from my home life. 62 00:03:11,481 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: So that kind of got that outside of it. And 63 00:03:13,601 --> 00:03:16,561 Speaker 1: as humans, we know we have human needs and one 64 00:03:16,561 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: of them is for significance. Love and connection is a 65 00:03:18,641 --> 00:03:21,441 Speaker 1: huge one. So that kind of got me that because 66 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:23,601 Speaker 1: of being a victim, so it served me until it didn't. 67 00:03:23,601 --> 00:03:25,401 Speaker 1: And once I realized this is how I was getting 68 00:03:25,441 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: my love and connection, it didn't make the love and 69 00:03:27,601 --> 00:03:30,241 Speaker 1: connection feel nice anymore. I've realized it's not how I 70 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,321 Speaker 1: wanted to get it. But yeah, I was always a victim. 71 00:03:32,401 --> 00:03:35,201 Speaker 1: Like my real father didn't want me, my stepdad was abusive, 72 00:03:35,921 --> 00:03:38,081 Speaker 1: we never had any money. We're always moving because my 73 00:03:38,081 --> 00:03:41,041 Speaker 1: stepdad was getting fired. I never could like find secure friends. 74 00:03:41,561 --> 00:03:44,081 Speaker 1: I was unlucky. Everyone else had it easy, Like these 75 00:03:44,121 --> 00:03:46,161 Speaker 1: are the kind of stories I would tell myself and 76 00:03:46,281 --> 00:03:48,281 Speaker 1: language I would use, So of course I'm going to 77 00:03:48,281 --> 00:03:51,321 Speaker 1: attract more of that hardness. I never attracted light and 78 00:03:51,361 --> 00:03:54,481 Speaker 1: good friends and abundance of money because that's where I 79 00:03:54,521 --> 00:03:58,161 Speaker 1: was sitting at in my vibration, my frequency. So when 80 00:03:58,201 --> 00:04:00,201 Speaker 1: I did the first Tony Robins course I did when 81 00:04:00,201 --> 00:04:02,321 Speaker 1: I was like twenty, we did a whole day on 82 00:04:02,401 --> 00:04:04,481 Speaker 1: like the bullshit stories that we tell ourselves and how 83 00:04:04,481 --> 00:04:07,281 Speaker 1: it holds us and learn all about the victim mentality, 84 00:04:07,561 --> 00:04:09,521 Speaker 1: and it was just like this huge light bulb won't 85 00:04:09,521 --> 00:04:12,441 Speaker 1: for me. I was like, oh my goodness, this is 86 00:04:12,481 --> 00:04:14,801 Speaker 1: literally how you've been living your life. And from that 87 00:04:14,921 --> 00:04:17,561 Speaker 1: day forward it was just like change my life so good, 88 00:04:17,601 --> 00:04:21,121 Speaker 1: And I still allow moments to be a victim and 89 00:04:21,121 --> 00:04:22,841 Speaker 1: to feel like a victim, like whether I call you 90 00:04:22,961 --> 00:04:24,801 Speaker 1: or have event to Steve and I'm just like oh 91 00:04:24,961 --> 00:04:27,441 Speaker 1: this person said this and it sucks, or like fuck, 92 00:04:27,521 --> 00:04:30,481 Speaker 1: this has happening again. But I won't sit there. Yeah, 93 00:04:30,521 --> 00:04:33,121 Speaker 1: I have that moment and then I'm like, flick the switch. 94 00:04:33,161 --> 00:04:34,521 Speaker 1: I need to move through it because I don't want 95 00:04:34,561 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: that to become my emotional home. That doesn't serve me, 96 00:04:36,961 --> 00:04:39,361 Speaker 1: It doesn't help me. What does it do. It literally 97 00:04:39,361 --> 00:04:42,561 Speaker 1: does nothing but bring me pain and frustration and keep 98 00:04:42,561 --> 00:04:46,041 Speaker 1: me feeling stuck. Definitely, So we're not here to judge anyone. 99 00:04:46,081 --> 00:04:48,401 Speaker 1: If you are feeling victimized and you're in that moment 100 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: right now, it is quite a difficult skill to learn 101 00:04:50,561 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: how to move through it and move through it quickly 102 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:53,681 Speaker 1: and effectively. 103 00:04:54,001 --> 00:04:58,241 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was in victim mentality not all that 104 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,521 Speaker 2: long ago. If you guys, listen to our mystery episode 105 00:05:01,641 --> 00:05:04,161 Speaker 2: that we did with Katie, which was such a banger episode, 106 00:05:04,201 --> 00:05:05,361 Speaker 2: So if you haven't listened to it, you sho go 107 00:05:05,361 --> 00:05:06,401 Speaker 2: listen to it after this one. 108 00:05:06,521 --> 00:05:07,521 Speaker 1: That was interesting. 109 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:09,681 Speaker 2: It was a banger. We need to do another one 110 00:05:09,721 --> 00:05:13,121 Speaker 2: of those. But basically I spoke about the season that 111 00:05:13,161 --> 00:05:15,001 Speaker 2: I went through right after I had the falling out 112 00:05:15,041 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: with my parents, and how I was heavily drinking and 113 00:05:18,681 --> 00:05:22,561 Speaker 2: I was really fixating on everything that happened. And that's 114 00:05:22,601 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: a big sign that you're in victim mentality if you 115 00:05:25,361 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: are really fixating on something and not able to get 116 00:05:28,081 --> 00:05:30,361 Speaker 2: it out of your mind and constantly reliving it in 117 00:05:30,401 --> 00:05:32,641 Speaker 2: your brain. And it was just such an awful way 118 00:05:32,681 --> 00:05:34,921 Speaker 2: to live the first few months. I feel like there 119 00:05:34,961 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: was a lot of blame. There was a lot of 120 00:05:36,201 --> 00:05:38,921 Speaker 2: me being angry and just holding no compassion because I 121 00:05:38,961 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: was just I need to sit in my shit for 122 00:05:40,921 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: a bit, but I sat in it for too long. 123 00:05:42,961 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: I feel like, and now like when I speak about 124 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,361 Speaker 2: certain things, like I have so much more compassion. I 125 00:05:48,361 --> 00:05:50,881 Speaker 2: can understand that the way things have triggered certain people 126 00:05:50,921 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: and the way things have unraveled the way that they have, 127 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,681 Speaker 2: and I feel like I just don't have that like anger. 128 00:05:55,681 --> 00:05:58,241 Speaker 2: And also I guess I hold accountability for my part 129 00:05:58,241 --> 00:06:00,841 Speaker 2: and everything because it always is that way, like everyone 130 00:06:00,841 --> 00:06:03,001 Speaker 2: plays a part, everyone has their own thing going on. 131 00:06:03,601 --> 00:06:06,281 Speaker 2: But yeah, that victim mentality place that I was in 132 00:06:06,841 --> 00:06:13,401 Speaker 2: so low, so dark, so just shit, sorry to think 133 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,001 Speaker 2: of a nice word. It was just soit shit, like 134 00:06:16,041 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 2: literally like flying all the time for me, and like, yeah, 135 00:06:19,361 --> 00:06:21,081 Speaker 2: I didn't have my family most of my family at 136 00:06:21,081 --> 00:06:23,041 Speaker 2: my wedding and like that was fuck, it was shit. 137 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,201 Speaker 2: But like I just numbed the fuck out victim mentality 138 00:06:26,361 --> 00:06:29,081 Speaker 2: drank it away and like, holy shit, I could handled 139 00:06:29,081 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: it so much better. But I feel like after that 140 00:06:31,281 --> 00:06:34,161 Speaker 2: happened was when so much of my healing and growth began. 141 00:06:34,801 --> 00:06:37,601 Speaker 2: So before that, I hadn't gone and see psychologist. I 142 00:06:37,641 --> 00:06:39,561 Speaker 2: hadn't gone and seen coaches. I didn't have any of 143 00:06:39,561 --> 00:06:42,241 Speaker 2: the tools. So sometimes it's all getting pushed like once 144 00:06:42,281 --> 00:06:45,721 Speaker 2: you're in that bad space, the break down, it was 145 00:06:45,801 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: right before the breakthrough, and it's so true. So yeah, 146 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:50,921 Speaker 2: I feel like I did like bits and piece of healing, 147 00:06:50,961 --> 00:06:53,601 Speaker 2: but I never went deep dive. And after that happened, 148 00:06:53,641 --> 00:06:57,201 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, this is the time. But yeah, 149 00:06:57,241 --> 00:06:59,641 Speaker 2: we're here, like we're owning our times, we're owning our shit, 150 00:06:59,681 --> 00:07:02,081 Speaker 2: and it's okay if you're in a moment right now 151 00:07:02,201 --> 00:07:04,921 Speaker 2: or if you have been, and we've gotta also hold 152 00:07:05,041 --> 00:07:07,681 Speaker 2: passion for ourselves and just try to get out of it. 153 00:07:08,041 --> 00:07:10,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like what really helped me was that 154 00:07:10,841 --> 00:07:13,761 Speaker 1: taking responsibility. So I feel like it's so easy to 155 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:16,521 Speaker 1: blame other people. And I did just blame my step 156 00:07:16,561 --> 00:07:18,761 Speaker 1: bad so much. I was like, he told me how 157 00:07:18,881 --> 00:07:21,481 Speaker 1: done my war was. Like he abused me, he never 158 00:07:21,561 --> 00:07:23,881 Speaker 1: loved me, he never made me feel safe, and like 159 00:07:24,081 --> 00:07:27,161 Speaker 1: that is all true. And I was victimized for sure 160 00:07:27,281 --> 00:07:31,041 Speaker 1: as a young girl that wasn't enjoyable or fun or right. 161 00:07:31,921 --> 00:07:34,521 Speaker 1: But it gets to a point and it's like, well 162 00:07:34,561 --> 00:07:36,881 Speaker 1: that was my past, but my past doesn't have to 163 00:07:37,001 --> 00:07:40,881 Speaker 1: define my future. Yeah, and I'm a grown us adult now, 164 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:44,321 Speaker 1: Like this is my responsibility to create a life that 165 00:07:44,361 --> 00:07:46,841 Speaker 1: I really love and to choose a man that's a 166 00:07:46,881 --> 00:07:48,961 Speaker 1: beautiful father to my children, and to choose a man 167 00:07:48,961 --> 00:07:52,281 Speaker 1: that treats me right, and to show myself and prove 168 00:07:52,321 --> 00:07:55,481 Speaker 1: myself that I'm not dumb, that I am lovable. Everything 169 00:07:55,521 --> 00:07:57,641 Speaker 1: he said, Like if I was to believe him and 170 00:07:57,681 --> 00:08:00,641 Speaker 1: blame him, I would just continue living to think that 171 00:08:00,681 --> 00:08:02,321 Speaker 1: I'm not worthy of love, I'm not worthy of a 172 00:08:02,361 --> 00:08:04,401 Speaker 1: good career, I'm not worthy of money. All those things 173 00:08:04,521 --> 00:08:06,401 Speaker 1: used to tell me. But it was like that moment 174 00:08:06,481 --> 00:08:08,841 Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's my life. I'm going to 175 00:08:08,881 --> 00:08:11,241 Speaker 1: live my life and have you control it. And it 176 00:08:11,281 --> 00:08:13,801 Speaker 1: wasn't even really like it can't control it's my choice 177 00:08:13,801 --> 00:08:16,521 Speaker 1: what I take on. But you know, when you're going 178 00:08:16,521 --> 00:08:18,201 Speaker 1: through that as a young teenager, you just don't have 179 00:08:18,201 --> 00:08:19,921 Speaker 1: that awareness, You don't have that knowledge. And I was 180 00:08:19,961 --> 00:08:21,761 Speaker 1: taught you this. This is the kind of stuff I 181 00:08:21,801 --> 00:08:23,481 Speaker 1: wish they taught in school because I feel like it 182 00:08:23,521 --> 00:08:25,801 Speaker 1: would be so much nicer if you didn't have to 183 00:08:25,841 --> 00:08:28,561 Speaker 1: go through all that pain as a young adult. We 184 00:08:28,641 --> 00:08:30,241 Speaker 1: learned that from an earlier stage, Like things we're going 185 00:08:30,281 --> 00:08:32,601 Speaker 1: to teach our kids, I think it will minimize and 186 00:08:32,601 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: take away a lot of the pain that we had 187 00:08:34,161 --> 00:08:36,761 Speaker 1: to go through. And it's all beautiful and happens for 188 00:08:36,761 --> 00:08:38,721 Speaker 1: the right reasons. And I'm so grateful for my journey 189 00:08:38,721 --> 00:08:40,161 Speaker 1: because it's led me to be here today and be 190 00:08:40,161 --> 00:08:42,041 Speaker 1: able to talk about this and have a story to share. 191 00:08:42,881 --> 00:08:46,401 Speaker 1: But taking responsibility is truly what stepped me out of 192 00:08:46,481 --> 00:08:49,321 Speaker 1: victim mentality. And if I ever slip back in there, 193 00:08:49,361 --> 00:08:52,361 Speaker 1: which I do once again, it's taking responsibility like hey, 194 00:08:52,401 --> 00:08:55,321 Speaker 1: well shit, that fucked that happen, or that's really not 195 00:08:55,361 --> 00:08:57,281 Speaker 1: what I had planned or man, I can't believe they 196 00:08:57,281 --> 00:08:59,201 Speaker 1: said that this has happened. But what am I going 197 00:08:59,281 --> 00:09:01,241 Speaker 1: to do with it? How am I going to perceive it? 198 00:09:01,281 --> 00:09:02,601 Speaker 1: How am I going to look at? What's the meaning 199 00:09:02,601 --> 00:09:05,241 Speaker 1: I'm going to put onto it? Because there's many as 200 00:09:05,241 --> 00:09:07,441 Speaker 1: you can put into a situation. You can blame, you 201 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:10,081 Speaker 1: can make up this story, you can assume over here, 202 00:09:10,121 --> 00:09:13,281 Speaker 1: but you actually get to decide how you view it. 203 00:09:13,561 --> 00:09:15,721 Speaker 1: And it can be positive and empowering or it can 204 00:09:15,761 --> 00:09:20,001 Speaker 1: be victim and negative and shit, yeah, so much choice 205 00:09:20,001 --> 00:09:20,321 Speaker 1: in there. 206 00:09:20,601 --> 00:09:22,641 Speaker 2: So should we go through the signs of being in 207 00:09:22,721 --> 00:09:27,481 Speaker 2: victim mentality? Okay, so first up, we have got stating 208 00:09:27,521 --> 00:09:31,641 Speaker 2: that people are better off without them. Oh yeah, so 209 00:09:31,761 --> 00:09:32,921 Speaker 2: saying you're better off without me. 210 00:09:33,961 --> 00:09:38,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, And when someone says that, now, like you can 211 00:09:38,521 --> 00:09:40,441 Speaker 1: straight away see there in victim mentality and you can 212 00:09:40,481 --> 00:09:42,841 Speaker 1: have so much compassion love, But I also just want 213 00:09:42,841 --> 00:09:45,561 Speaker 1: to be like come on, like shake you, like no, 214 00:09:45,721 --> 00:09:48,521 Speaker 1: get out of that, Like you're better than that, come on, 215 00:09:48,601 --> 00:09:51,481 Speaker 1: let's do it, like no, yeah, we're not going down 216 00:09:51,521 --> 00:09:54,321 Speaker 1: that path. We're going over here. We're going uphill together. 217 00:09:54,561 --> 00:09:59,961 Speaker 2: The next one is dramatizing insignificant events. So if things 218 00:09:59,961 --> 00:10:03,161 Speaker 2: aren't really that big, making mountains out of molehills. Yeah, 219 00:10:03,281 --> 00:10:05,921 Speaker 2: making big deals out of things that aren't really a 220 00:10:05,921 --> 00:10:06,601 Speaker 2: big deal. 221 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:09,161 Speaker 1: Because once again, that gains some significance, and it gains 222 00:10:09,161 --> 00:10:11,361 Speaker 1: them probably loving connection because people will be like, oh 223 00:10:11,401 --> 00:10:14,521 Speaker 1: my god, that happened to you, so true, so wow 224 00:10:14,521 --> 00:10:17,401 Speaker 1: are you poor thing? You poor thing? 225 00:10:17,561 --> 00:10:19,761 Speaker 2: They feel love from it, They get love. 226 00:10:19,641 --> 00:10:23,241 Speaker 1: And they get significance. It reconfirms the victim. I know 227 00:10:23,441 --> 00:10:27,481 Speaker 1: it was so fucking hard, like yeah, poor me. Fuck yeah, 228 00:10:27,521 --> 00:10:28,881 Speaker 1: and then they think like, you know, no one else 229 00:10:28,881 --> 00:10:31,441 Speaker 1: has been through that, Like you're also just so in 230 00:10:31,481 --> 00:10:33,801 Speaker 1: your own head right when you're a victim because you 231 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:35,401 Speaker 1: think you're the only one that's gone through that. No 232 00:10:35,441 --> 00:10:39,761 Speaker 1: one understands like poor me. In today, like most people 233 00:10:39,761 --> 00:10:42,281 Speaker 1: have been through something really fucking hard or traumatic, all 234 00:10:42,321 --> 00:10:44,121 Speaker 1: the navigating something like that, and they do get it 235 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:47,761 Speaker 1: to a certain degree, it's just looks different for them. Yeah. 236 00:10:48,041 --> 00:10:52,441 Speaker 2: Next one is learned helplessness, So feeling like you cannot 237 00:10:52,441 --> 00:10:54,081 Speaker 2: do anything to get out of the spot that you're in. 238 00:10:54,201 --> 00:10:56,841 Speaker 2: I'm helpless, I can't do this, Like yep, that's it, 239 00:10:56,881 --> 00:10:59,401 Speaker 2: Like this happens, that's it. The whole day's over. Dropping 240 00:10:59,401 --> 00:11:06,081 Speaker 2: the coffee, the day is fucked. Days fun love your coffee. Coffee. Yeah, 241 00:11:06,161 --> 00:11:07,561 Speaker 2: rather than be like, oh whoops, see there we go, 242 00:11:07,681 --> 00:11:09,961 Speaker 2: they're just like as soon as one little thing happens, 243 00:11:09,961 --> 00:11:13,241 Speaker 2: it just triggers their day to just spiral. 244 00:11:13,081 --> 00:11:15,401 Speaker 1: And you give all your power away them. I know 245 00:11:15,681 --> 00:11:17,801 Speaker 1: that's what you do when you drop into victim mentality. 246 00:11:17,841 --> 00:11:19,521 Speaker 1: All your power is gone. You can take it back 247 00:11:19,521 --> 00:11:21,841 Speaker 1: at any point in time. That's so true. I actually 248 00:11:21,841 --> 00:11:24,521 Speaker 1: love that coffee reference because it's like, if you were like, 249 00:11:24,561 --> 00:11:26,761 Speaker 1: oh fuck my coffee, blah blah blah, and being in 250 00:11:26,801 --> 00:11:28,921 Speaker 1: that energy, guess what you're probably gonna trip over you 251 00:11:29,481 --> 00:11:32,881 Speaker 1: drop a glass. It's spirals because that's what you're attracting. Yeah, 252 00:11:32,921 --> 00:11:34,721 Speaker 1: I so believe in energy. 253 00:11:34,841 --> 00:11:38,601 Speaker 2: Flustered and like, oh, rigid movements, you're. 254 00:11:38,521 --> 00:11:41,121 Speaker 1: Not flowing and trusting and just like yeah, oops, spit 255 00:11:41,241 --> 00:11:43,761 Speaker 1: that that's what you're gonna attract more of because it's 256 00:11:43,961 --> 00:11:45,241 Speaker 1: so aware of the energy. 257 00:11:45,121 --> 00:11:47,121 Speaker 2: So aware. It's like even yesterday we were stuck in 258 00:11:47,161 --> 00:11:48,761 Speaker 2: traffic and like went the wrong way and always happened, 259 00:11:48,761 --> 00:11:50,441 Speaker 2: and I said to actually, whenever this happens, I just 260 00:11:50,481 --> 00:11:53,121 Speaker 2: trust to see it's keeping us safe, they could have 261 00:11:53,121 --> 00:11:54,601 Speaker 2: been a car crash at least could have happened, that 262 00:11:54,601 --> 00:11:55,321 Speaker 2: could have happened, and. 263 00:11:55,441 --> 00:11:56,321 Speaker 1: Wrong place, wrong time. 264 00:11:57,441 --> 00:11:59,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then yeah, like I've been in moments in 265 00:11:59,441 --> 00:12:01,801 Speaker 2: life where I've been like, oh, so frustrating, I'm stuck 266 00:12:01,841 --> 00:12:04,801 Speaker 2: in traffing, you know. So the next one is lack 267 00:12:04,841 --> 00:12:07,761 Speaker 2: of empathy, So not having empathy for other people and 268 00:12:07,801 --> 00:12:11,041 Speaker 2: considering their feelings, just being poor me all in your 269 00:12:11,081 --> 00:12:13,401 Speaker 2: own head, on your own head. Yeah. 270 00:12:13,481 --> 00:12:15,201 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's selfish to be victim, 271 00:12:15,241 --> 00:12:16,841 Speaker 1: but sometimes if you're living in there all the time, 272 00:12:16,881 --> 00:12:18,161 Speaker 1: it is a little bits. 273 00:12:17,801 --> 00:12:19,761 Speaker 2: A little bit yeah, self centered. 274 00:12:19,521 --> 00:12:21,201 Speaker 1: Self centered, that's a nicer word. 275 00:12:21,801 --> 00:12:25,081 Speaker 2: You're doing everything around yourself, Yeah, and not thinking about 276 00:12:25,281 --> 00:12:28,241 Speaker 2: how the other people might be feeling, or even acknowledging 277 00:12:28,281 --> 00:12:31,241 Speaker 2: that they might be having a horrible experience because yours 278 00:12:31,281 --> 00:12:33,121 Speaker 2: are so much worse off you can't even see that, 279 00:12:33,281 --> 00:12:34,921 Speaker 2: or a hard day. So like if they're a bit 280 00:12:35,001 --> 00:12:36,761 Speaker 2: reactive and you're like, oh you always talking, know this, 281 00:12:36,881 --> 00:12:39,281 Speaker 2: like they might be having a you know, just having 282 00:12:39,321 --> 00:12:46,761 Speaker 2: compassion empathy for others. Low self esteem, Yeah, definitely. 283 00:12:46,761 --> 00:12:48,601 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of self worth is there in 284 00:12:48,721 --> 00:12:51,361 Speaker 1: victims when they're living in victim mentality. You don't think 285 00:12:51,361 --> 00:12:53,601 Speaker 1: you're worthy, you don't think you're deserving of anything. N 286 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:57,001 Speaker 1: that's the kind of language that someone in victim mentality 287 00:12:57,041 --> 00:12:59,361 Speaker 1: will use. I'm not worth it, Like what's the point? 288 00:12:59,521 --> 00:13:02,081 Speaker 1: What's the point? That's so not must mean anyway, all 289 00:13:02,121 --> 00:13:03,841 Speaker 1: this always happens to me, like, oh, I've got the 290 00:13:03,881 --> 00:13:07,601 Speaker 1: shit as luck, trust my luck. You know those kind 291 00:13:07,641 --> 00:13:09,841 Speaker 1: of sayings. Yeah, I feel like. 292 00:13:09,801 --> 00:13:12,641 Speaker 2: They used to so much. Yeah, like, yeah, of course 293 00:13:12,681 --> 00:13:13,321 Speaker 2: it's going to happen. 294 00:13:13,641 --> 00:13:18,361 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, we've all heard that from people. Hey, and 295 00:13:18,401 --> 00:13:20,121 Speaker 1: some people like laugh it off. But now when they 296 00:13:20,121 --> 00:13:22,041 Speaker 1: say it, I've got so much awareness around this, I'm 297 00:13:22,081 --> 00:13:26,521 Speaker 1: just like, oh, careful. Or when they say of course 298 00:13:26,521 --> 00:13:28,321 Speaker 1: it happens to me, it's like, yeah, of course, look 299 00:13:28,321 --> 00:13:29,681 Speaker 1: at the language you're using. 300 00:13:29,521 --> 00:13:33,321 Speaker 2: Exactly you're going to try that surprised. Yeah, so true. 301 00:13:34,121 --> 00:13:38,401 Speaker 2: Needing excessive attention in so you know how you said 302 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:40,521 Speaker 2: how they're like this happened, and like it's because they're 303 00:13:40,521 --> 00:13:43,321 Speaker 2: wanting attention, Yes, that's it. They're wanting love connection like 304 00:13:43,361 --> 00:13:48,761 Speaker 2: what you said. Yeah, yeah, so they're needing excess of it, fuelance. 305 00:13:49,001 --> 00:13:53,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, and validate it. Yeah, they've convinced himself of all 306 00:13:53,241 --> 00:13:55,121 Speaker 1: of it, but hearing it from other people, it's like 307 00:13:55,121 --> 00:13:58,161 Speaker 1: their outside validation to really confirm it, like oh poor. 308 00:13:58,161 --> 00:14:03,441 Speaker 2: Me, blaming others for their actions, taking no accountability or responsibility, 309 00:14:03,681 --> 00:14:13,001 Speaker 2: and being easily angered, agitated or irritated, irritated, ceriation, irritated, 310 00:14:13,961 --> 00:14:16,121 Speaker 2: really snappy. It's like when you're driving on the road 311 00:14:16,201 --> 00:14:19,361 Speaker 2: and you like, some little thing happens and one person, 312 00:14:19,401 --> 00:14:21,161 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, no worries, no stress, and you do 313 00:14:21,201 --> 00:14:23,241 Speaker 2: it to the next person. They're like beeping the horns, 314 00:14:23,361 --> 00:14:26,001 Speaker 2: things out the window and you're like, whoa, man, it's 315 00:14:26,081 --> 00:14:26,641 Speaker 2: all good. 316 00:14:26,961 --> 00:14:30,281 Speaker 1: Easily triggered because they're on edge and they're not giving 317 00:14:30,281 --> 00:14:32,561 Speaker 1: themselves that self love. They can't meet someone where they 318 00:14:32,521 --> 00:14:35,841 Speaker 1: haven't met themselves exactly if that work on themselves. So 319 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:38,201 Speaker 1: it's just easy to blame and get angry and triggered. 320 00:14:38,401 --> 00:14:38,601 Speaker 2: Yeah. 321 00:14:38,841 --> 00:14:41,841 Speaker 1: Just it really is not a nice place to live emotionally. 322 00:14:41,841 --> 00:14:43,401 Speaker 1: And I can say that from experience because I lived 323 00:14:43,401 --> 00:14:44,961 Speaker 1: there for so long. Yeah, and I come out the 324 00:14:45,001 --> 00:14:47,881 Speaker 1: other side, like I just, I always say, And we 325 00:14:47,961 --> 00:14:50,241 Speaker 1: learned to off Katie a coach that both Ki and 326 00:14:50,241 --> 00:14:51,881 Speaker 1: I see ry now and again if we need like 327 00:14:51,921 --> 00:14:54,201 Speaker 1: a good pick me up. She's a real like confidence booster, 328 00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:56,641 Speaker 1: and she brings a lot of comedy and like laughter 329 00:14:56,721 --> 00:14:59,401 Speaker 1: into your therapy sessions. But when I was going through 330 00:14:59,401 --> 00:15:01,641 Speaker 1: a really hard time the Trolls, many many years ago, 331 00:15:01,681 --> 00:15:03,721 Speaker 1: I remember her saying, so I was once I learned 332 00:15:03,721 --> 00:15:07,801 Speaker 1: about bignam mentality, repulsed it. So I would never like validate. 333 00:15:07,801 --> 00:15:09,841 Speaker 1: I wouldn't swing the pendulum the other way. I would 334 00:15:09,881 --> 00:15:13,041 Speaker 1: never validate myself. I would never like allow myself to 335 00:15:13,121 --> 00:15:15,681 Speaker 1: feel like that because I didn't want to be a victim. 336 00:15:15,681 --> 00:15:17,041 Speaker 1: I didn't want to go back there. Did so much 337 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:19,441 Speaker 1: work to be positive and to like get out of 338 00:15:19,481 --> 00:15:22,321 Speaker 1: that yucky phase in my head. But she was like, 339 00:15:22,481 --> 00:15:25,481 Speaker 1: sometimes you are victimized, and sometimes you're allowed to feel 340 00:15:25,481 --> 00:15:29,001 Speaker 1: sorry for yourself. You're allowed to validate your experience. So 341 00:15:29,041 --> 00:15:30,681 Speaker 1: I want you to have a little pity party. And 342 00:15:30,841 --> 00:15:33,641 Speaker 1: each situation you can choose, is this a fifteen minute 343 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:35,401 Speaker 1: pity party where I'm just gonna sit in there, I'm 344 00:15:35,401 --> 00:15:37,201 Speaker 1: gonna cry, I'm going to punch a pillow, I'm gonna 345 00:15:37,241 --> 00:15:39,961 Speaker 1: like journal some words, go into my car and scream 346 00:15:40,001 --> 00:15:41,841 Speaker 1: as that as I can like be a victim for 347 00:15:41,881 --> 00:15:44,601 Speaker 1: a moment, have your pity party, and then decide when 348 00:15:44,681 --> 00:15:46,481 Speaker 1: you feel ready to move out of it. And sometimes 349 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:49,361 Speaker 1: depending on the situation, you know, if someone loses some 350 00:15:49,441 --> 00:15:51,561 Speaker 1: of their family and they feel victimized too, you know 351 00:15:51,801 --> 00:15:55,001 Speaker 1: they might take a lot longer. Like healing is not linear, 352 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:57,161 Speaker 1: but just try to have that goal of like, Okay, 353 00:15:57,161 --> 00:16:00,001 Speaker 1: I'm allowing myself this time by BA this time next week, 354 00:16:00,161 --> 00:16:03,001 Speaker 1: I'm choosing to see differently. I'm choosing to move through it. 355 00:16:03,161 --> 00:16:07,401 Speaker 1: I'm choosing to get support and help. Yeah, and that's key. Yeah, 356 00:16:07,441 --> 00:16:09,081 Speaker 1: otherwise you can get really stuck there for a really 357 00:16:09,081 --> 00:16:11,001 Speaker 1: long time and it's not going to feel good, na, 358 00:16:11,201 --> 00:16:13,201 Speaker 1: not at all. It'll affect every area of your life. 359 00:16:13,201 --> 00:16:15,681 Speaker 1: It'll all take the relationships that you attract, that you 360 00:16:15,761 --> 00:16:18,321 Speaker 1: do and don't have, or maybe the relationships you'll lose 361 00:16:18,361 --> 00:16:19,881 Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't like to be around 362 00:16:19,881 --> 00:16:20,641 Speaker 1: a victim. 363 00:16:20,401 --> 00:16:22,641 Speaker 2: And training often it's really training. 364 00:16:22,801 --> 00:16:26,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll all take your work, it'll take your productivity, 365 00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:29,481 Speaker 1: and it's just your overall mood. Like you can't feel 366 00:16:29,921 --> 00:16:32,401 Speaker 1: good and high vibration when you're sitting in that for 367 00:16:32,441 --> 00:16:33,201 Speaker 1: a really long time. 368 00:16:33,361 --> 00:16:36,521 Speaker 2: Definitely not. And the last one, which I think we 369 00:16:36,601 --> 00:16:38,881 Speaker 2: all definitely know is just severe self pity. 370 00:16:39,281 --> 00:16:39,961 Speaker 1: Yeah. 371 00:16:40,081 --> 00:16:43,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was reading to Ashley out of my 372 00:16:43,481 --> 00:16:45,361 Speaker 2: book this morning. Shall I read it on the potty? 373 00:16:45,561 --> 00:16:46,241 Speaker 1: That's so good. 374 00:16:46,241 --> 00:16:48,561 Speaker 2: It was really cool thinking about like positive negative thinking. 375 00:16:48,561 --> 00:16:50,921 Speaker 2: And I think it goes really well with today's episode 376 00:16:51,161 --> 00:16:52,801 Speaker 2: because we all, like we have kept saying we all 377 00:16:52,801 --> 00:16:54,681 Speaker 2: need a pity party. But it's just like a really 378 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:56,401 Speaker 2: cool way of looking at it. Yeah. 379 00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:58,561 Speaker 1: While she was reading this out to me this morning, 380 00:16:58,641 --> 00:17:01,801 Speaker 1: we were talking about just these days, it can be 381 00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:06,561 Speaker 1: a fine line of toxic positivity. So this explains that 382 00:17:06,761 --> 00:17:10,121 Speaker 1: really really well, and how to look at both negative 383 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:12,801 Speaker 1: thinking and positive thinking and how to allow both of 384 00:17:12,801 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: them to coexist in your life, but really not to 385 00:17:16,201 --> 00:17:17,521 Speaker 1: have attachments onto either. 386 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: So this is out of the book. You can be 387 00:17:19,521 --> 00:17:22,561 Speaker 2: happy no matter what. I recommend this book something. I 388 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: love it, guys. So there's a little share of the 389 00:17:23,961 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: week as well. But it says the two aspects of thought. 390 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,961 Speaker 2: There are two aspects of thought that are very important 391 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:33,481 Speaker 2: to understand. First is the fact that we think that 392 00:17:33,521 --> 00:17:37,561 Speaker 2: we have this human function, not what we think about, 393 00:17:38,041 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: but recognizing that we are the thinkers who produce the 394 00:17:41,281 --> 00:17:45,521 Speaker 2: thoughts constantly going through our mind. The second aspect, the 395 00:17:45,561 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: one that is usually discussed, is content, or what we 396 00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 2: are thinking about. There's a major difference between the two. 397 00:17:53,321 --> 00:17:57,121 Speaker 2: Advocates of positive thinking suggest thinking positive thoughts as much 398 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,681 Speaker 2: as you can and avoid negative thinking altogether. While it's 399 00:18:00,761 --> 00:18:03,521 Speaker 2: true that thinking positive thoughts will make us feel better 400 00:18:03,761 --> 00:18:08,521 Speaker 2: than thinking negative ones, positive thinking is an erroneous concept. 401 00:18:08,961 --> 00:18:13,281 Speaker 2: Don't know what that word means, based on the assumption 402 00:18:13,481 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: that thought in and of itself has a reality which 403 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,521 Speaker 2: we need to be concerned with. 404 00:18:18,961 --> 00:18:19,681 Speaker 1: But be it. 405 00:18:19,761 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: Positive or negative. Thought is only a function. When we 406 00:18:24,281 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: understand thought for what it truly is, we see positive 407 00:18:27,281 --> 00:18:29,961 Speaker 2: or negative thoughts for what they are. A positive thinker 408 00:18:30,041 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: is constantly under pressure to produce only positive thoughts, which 409 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,441 Speaker 2: takes enormous effort and concentration, leaving little energy for new 410 00:18:37,561 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: and creative thoughts. When negative thoughts do enter the mind, 411 00:18:41,281 --> 00:18:44,281 Speaker 2: which they will, a positive thinker has to deny their 412 00:18:44,321 --> 00:18:47,561 Speaker 2: existence and override them with a positive one. People who 413 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: understand the nature of thought don't have the pressure to 414 00:18:50,201 --> 00:18:54,281 Speaker 2: produce any specific content to their thinking. They see thought 415 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 2: for what it is, a function of consciousness, a voluntary 416 00:18:57,961 --> 00:19:01,441 Speaker 2: ability that shapes our experience of life. Does this mean 417 00:19:01,521 --> 00:19:04,321 Speaker 2: that people who understand that thought is a function will 418 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: intentionally think negative thoughts? No, of course not. Neither doesn't 419 00:19:08,241 --> 00:19:11,801 Speaker 2: mean that negative thoughts will never enter their minds. They 420 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,801 Speaker 2: merely understand that negative thoughts in and of themselves have 421 00:19:15,961 --> 00:19:19,281 Speaker 2: no power to hurt them To them, thoughts, whether positive 422 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: or negative, are simply just thoughts, so good, so empowering. Hey, 423 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,161 Speaker 2: it really is just the way they worded all of that. 424 00:19:26,241 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: I know, I loved it. 425 00:19:27,241 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: It's just allowing like when thoughts come in, not to 426 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,401 Speaker 1: attach yourself to them too much. If a negative one 427 00:19:31,441 --> 00:19:34,321 Speaker 1: comes in, it's like, oh cool, like I thought, thanks 428 00:19:34,321 --> 00:19:35,121 Speaker 1: for the intel. 429 00:19:35,481 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah cool, acknowledge it. Yeah, I don't want to hang 430 00:19:37,961 --> 00:19:39,041 Speaker 2: on to this or do I want to let it go? 431 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Once again that's a choice. Yeah, so cool. I 432 00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:43,481 Speaker 1: absolutely love that. 433 00:19:43,681 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 2: Also, we hope you guys enjoy it. Today's wacky Wednesday, 434 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: and I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. 435 00:19:49,961 --> 00:19:53,241 Speaker 1: I think we should cut the wacky. Some episodes will 436 00:19:53,241 --> 00:19:55,521 Speaker 1: be though but ye, this is a. 437 00:19:55,761 --> 00:20:03,881 Speaker 2: Wonderful, wonderful Wednesday. The words wondrous I don't know. All right, guys, Friday, 438 00:20:03,921 --> 00:20:04,681 Speaker 2: see you Friday. 439 00:20:04,561 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: Bye. Eight