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<v Speaker 1>She had a great demeanor, she had great charisma, She

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<v Speaker 1>was a very fine dresser, and she was a marvelous

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<v Speaker 1>con artist. They became party to a plot to pull

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's first armored car cash heist, and there it is

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<v Speaker 1>said that what became known as the toe Cutter Gang

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<v Speaker 1>got its name because they tortured Baldi Blair to get

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<v Speaker 1>him to reveal where his cash was. I'm Andrew ruled

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<v Speaker 1>his life in crimes. One of the big names in

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<v Speaker 1>crime back in the day, as we say, back in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties seventies, was a fellow called Frank Baldy Blair.

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<v Speaker 1>His real name was Frank, his nickname was Baldi. All

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<v Speaker 1>crooks have to have nicknames. Surname was Blair, b l Air.

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<v Speaker 1>Baldy Blair came from Melbourne. He was one of that

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<v Speaker 1>crew of inner suburban heavyweights who came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>mean streets of Richmond, Port, Melbourne, etc. Collingwood. He ended

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<v Speaker 1>up on the docks or hanging around the docks, like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of heavies did in those days, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>like good Melbourne crooks did. Then he became a painter

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<v Speaker 1>and docker. Something like three quarters of the membership of

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<v Speaker 1>the painters and dockers were people with extensive criminal records,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like the modern day CFMU, some would suggest,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd suggest the painters and dockers were more criminal

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<v Speaker 1>than the CFMU and had a lot of very violent

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<v Speaker 1>men on its books. And one of them was Baldy Blair.

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<v Speaker 1>And Baldy Blair in the late sixties he and others

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<v Speaker 1>ran some big scams on the waterfront. And what they

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<v Speaker 1>used to do if they weren't stealing cargo by the

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<v Speaker 1>container load or whatever or by the shipload, they were

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<v Speaker 1>running contraband and they would be bringing in in those

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<v Speaker 1>days a lot of hash and cannabis products from the

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Triangle, things like that, and selling it on what

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<v Speaker 1>was then the burgeoning emerging drug market. Baldi was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at this. They had some good schemes going. They

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<v Speaker 1>would mark a particular container I think it was with

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<v Speaker 1>pornographic pictures so they knew which one was the one

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<v Speaker 1>with the hash in it. They would then load it

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<v Speaker 1>up onto a truck and take it off the docks

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<v Speaker 1>and unload it and sell it for lots of money.

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<v Speaker 1>Too much of a good thing is never a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the authorities worked out what they're up to, and

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<v Speaker 1>then other crooks worked out what they were up to.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end Baldy Blair went to Sydney and

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<v Speaker 1>there he reinvented himself as a stick up man and

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<v Speaker 1>Melbourne crooks like him had a bit of a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney for being uncompromising hard guys, and Baldi Blair

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<v Speaker 1>had with him made of his called Steve Nitty's and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Nitty's alias the Bomber, was a former boxer who

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<v Speaker 1>used to train at Richmond at the late Great Leo

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<v Speaker 1>Berry's gym. I think Nittys might have had a national

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<v Speaker 1>title belt. He was pretty good at it, but he

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<v Speaker 1>gave up boxing eventually and became a gunman and heavy

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<v Speaker 1>and he got his nickname the Bomber because he blew

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<v Speaker 1>up a nightclub with a bomb or threatened to. And

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<v Speaker 1>these guys land in Sydney and set themselves up in

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<v Speaker 1>the robbery business, and it comes to pass that they

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<v Speaker 1>would sit around at the Oceanic Hotel in Kuji and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd held up with some Sydney crooks and they'd sit

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<v Speaker 1>around and plan jobs, and they'd received Stalin Goods and

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<v Speaker 1>Salem and they'd plan robberies and do them and all

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the criminal stuff, and Baldy had taken up.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after he went to Sydney, he went to Checkers nightclub.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was called in Sydney. There was also

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<v Speaker 1>one in Melbourne, I think, but there was one in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>And he went there and he met a most beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>scallywag woman called Patricia. Now we're going to call her

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia Blair because they either got married or they had

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<v Speaker 1>a de facto relationship, but she was known later on

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<v Speaker 1>as Patricia Blair took his name. She was a very

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful woman, and she was very confident. She had a

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<v Speaker 1>great demeanor, she had great charisma, She was a very

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<v Speaker 1>fine dresser, and she was a marvelous con artist and

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<v Speaker 1>also very nimble. She could steal things, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>quite a high end jewel thief, among other attributes. And Baldy,

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of rough, tough bulldog of a man, and

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<v Speaker 1>the beautiful jewel thief became an item. And at this

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<v Speaker 1>point Patricia already had a little, tiny boy, a little

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<v Speaker 1>boy called Larry. Now Larry's batural father was not Baldy Blair.

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<v Speaker 1>He was someone else. And we don't need to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about who that is. But Baldy became that little boy's father,

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<v Speaker 1>the only father he knew, and the little boy, Larry

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<v Speaker 1>became known as Larry Blair. And there they were, mister

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<v Speaker 1>and missus Blair and their son Larry, and the other

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<v Speaker 1>crooks used to call Larry little Lord Fauntleroy because his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>Patricia would dress him beautifully, mostly in stolen clothes from

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<v Speaker 1>high end shops that she'd rob, and he'd have silk

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<v Speaker 1>shirts and all the rest of it, in beautiful leather

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and all this good stuff. And the rough hard

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<v Speaker 1>arm robbers and others and burglars and stand over men

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<v Speaker 1>and gunman who drank with Baldy Blair at the OSHI

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<v Speaker 1>as they call it, the Oceanic Hotel, would laugh at

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<v Speaker 1>this little boy when he came along to snip dad

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<v Speaker 1>for five dollars to go surfing or whatever, and they

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<v Speaker 1>call him thortle Roy and joke with him and buy

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<v Speaker 1>my raspberry lemonade Da da da da dam. And little

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<v Speaker 1>did the little boy know, and he's he's seven eight

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<v Speaker 1>nine ten, that sort of age group. Little did he

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<v Speaker 1>realize that the men that his father hung around with

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<v Speaker 1>these friends of his father's were a very treacherous and

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<v Speaker 1>violent crowd. But he did sense that they weren't all

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<v Speaker 1>nice people. He had that child's sense of not only

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<v Speaker 1>of innocence, but of sensing that some people meant no good.

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<v Speaker 1>And he sensed that some of them were pretty bad

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<v Speaker 1>dudes indeed, and that he thought they had false smiles

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. And he was right, as events would prove.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing led to another, and Baldy Blair and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Nittis from Melbourne his mate, and another guy called

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<v Speaker 1>I think Alan Jones funnily enough common name, isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Jones. That's not Alan Jones the radio man, nor

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<v Speaker 1>is it racing. It's just Alan Jones, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>gunman who's now dead. They became party to a plot

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<v Speaker 1>to pull Australia's first armored car cash heist, a robbery

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<v Speaker 1>of an armored car never been done before. This is

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy. They got the plan for this heist

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<v Speaker 1>from a very clever crook called Les Woon w n

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<v Speaker 1>known around the underworld as Wooker Look Woon. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to have a nickname, and that was his and Wooker

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<v Speaker 1>Woon was one of these smart crooks who used to

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<v Speaker 1>get information inside information about money movements and all the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it. And he had information that a main

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas armored car would go around the western suburbs on

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<v Speaker 1>a given day every week and would go to the

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<v Speaker 1>racecourse to pick up race money from the bookies and

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the something bank and there's something partman,

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<v Speaker 1>there's something shops and pick up all cash and take

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<v Speaker 1>it back to the reserve bank, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And it appeared that the people in the armored car

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<v Speaker 1>had grown complacent and lazy, and instead of varying their

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<v Speaker 1>root and their times, they stuck to a rigid timetable.

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<v Speaker 1>And it meant that creatures of habit. These fellows, three

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the armored car creatures of habit. Every day

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<v Speaker 1>they would stop their armored car full of money, jam

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<v Speaker 1>full of cash in a particular small park near a

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<v Speaker 1>bank in the suburb of Guildford in Sydney, and there

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<v Speaker 1>they would have their lunch. They'd pull out their sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>and their thumus of tea or perhaps coffee, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a drink of water, and they sangers and maybe cut

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<v Speaker 1>up an apple or an orange, you know, and have

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<v Speaker 1>their cup of tea, and then very neat and tidy,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd open the door of their armored vehicle and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them would trapes across, or maybe two of them

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<v Speaker 1>would apes across to the bin in the park and

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<v Speaker 1>put their lunch trappers in the bin. Very tidy and

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<v Speaker 1>good citizens, but very stupid because you are driving a

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<v Speaker 1>van full of cash, you've pulled up and you've opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door. You are asking for trouble. Well guess what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Baldy Steve Nittis and l Jones robbed them and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first armored car robbery in Australia, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was a great success because the robbers all wore mirrored sunglasses.

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<v Speaker 1>Then of great novelty mirrored hats. They had these hats

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<v Speaker 1>with sort of little shiny things on them, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>that anybody looking at them would see reflections of themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>which is disconcerting. And they also wore and I love

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<v Speaker 1>this detail, this is wonderful. They wore full length Butcher's aprons,

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<v Speaker 1>the Butcher's uniform of the long stripey. Remember the navy

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<v Speaker 1>and white stripes that Butcher's used to wear. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they had on, and it meant that all of them

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<v Speaker 1>looks yimla. They looked a little bit odd, but the

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<v Speaker 1>same as each other, and very difficult to distinguish from

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<v Speaker 1>each other. You know, in general terms, you co'd say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one was a bit bigger than the others

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<v Speaker 1>or something, but not much. No colors of eyes, no

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<v Speaker 1>obvious features. They robbed the armored van of five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty eight odd thousand dollars. Now, in nineteen seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen, that was a lot of money. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy, I was getting fifty cents a week pocket money,

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty cents a week pocket money was like getting

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five dollars a week now, I reckon because for

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<v Speaker 1>fifty cents, you could make yourself sick on fish and

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<v Speaker 1>chips for ten cents and they still have forty cents

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<v Speaker 1>left over. You know, that would keep you going for

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<v Speaker 1>all the other days of the week. So five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty thousand dollars was probably the price of fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight houses in country towns around Australia or forty odd

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<v Speaker 1>suburban houses around Australia. Good ones, really good ones. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the sixties there used to be a raffle held

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<v Speaker 1>to raise money to build the Opera House in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sydney Opera House raffle was a big deal, a lottery,

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<v Speaker 1>it was called, and the house that was the prize

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<v Speaker 1>in that was advertised back in the pre decimal currency

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<v Speaker 1>days as something like five pounds, you know, ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So that does give you an idea of the huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that these guys got, and in our

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<v Speaker 1>currency today it'd be worth about ten million, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dough. Now, half the money was to

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<v Speaker 1>go to wook A Wound, the mastermind who'd planned it

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<v Speaker 1>from Afar, and some of that, I think some of

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<v Speaker 1>that half went to senior painters and dockers in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>who were inclined to sort of clip the ticket of

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<v Speaker 1>big robberies done by their members that you had to

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<v Speaker 1>kick some back up the line to the bosses. But

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<v Speaker 1>the other half pretty went to the three guys who

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<v Speaker 1>got it. So they took off with about one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars each, a lot of dope. And Larry Blair

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<v Speaker 1>can recall his father coming home, coming home, turning up

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<v Speaker 1>in a brand new v eight Valiant car. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>the color of a fresh turd is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Larry described it, and blowing the horn, turning the radio

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<v Speaker 1>full belt and saying party time, Party time. Were all

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<v Speaker 1>going to dinner because he just pulled this massive robbery.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they all friends and family piled into the

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<v Speaker 1>Valiant and they went around to the best Chinese joint

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney and they had a massive feed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they had massive amounts of booze, and then they had

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<v Speaker 1>more food and more booze until they all passed out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a really big party, which was probably

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<v Speaker 1>not a great way to not draw attention to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>To be buying a brand new vut car and then

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<v Speaker 1>spending a fortune on a meal and a drink up

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<v Speaker 1>for all your friends and family, it sort of would

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<v Speaker 1>stand out a bit, and indeed it did attract attention

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<v Speaker 1>from various people. And I think some of those people

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<v Speaker 1>might have been corrupt police who in Sydney were particularly

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<v Speaker 1>keen on knowing who had robbed anything, because they considered

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<v Speaker 1>that they should always get a share of anything that

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<v Speaker 1>had been robbed. In Sydney in those days, the homicide

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<v Speaker 1>Squad would organize the murders, the breaking squad would organize

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<v Speaker 1>the big breakings. I'm going to take a share of

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<v Speaker 1>any big breakings, and the robbery squad would want a

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<v Speaker 1>share of any armed robberies. And so it would be

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that the bent Coppers of Sydney would be very

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<v Speaker 1>keen to get their finger in the pie and get

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<v Speaker 1>some of this doe. Now, if these hard headed Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>crooks weren't handing money over to their hosts in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>things could turn nasty. And the bent Coppers in Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>notably a fellow called Freddie kray H. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>detective sergeant. He was a very scary man. He killed people,

0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.480
<v Speaker 1>he stood over people. He would do anything, and he

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly had a secondhand shop of his own where stolen

0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.200
<v Speaker 1>goods were sold, and he did contract killings. He did

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it took. It is said. It is alleged that

0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.680
<v Speaker 1>he and a couple of Sydney crooks said, what about

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<v Speaker 1>these guys getting this big score? We want some of

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<v Speaker 1>it or all of it or whatever, And so they

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<v Speaker 1>were putting their hand out looking for money. Well, Baldy

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<v Speaker 1>Blair and his two mates did a runner and Baldi

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<v Speaker 1>Blair said to Patricia, the beautiful jewel thief wife and

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<v Speaker 1>little Larry on the road, let's go, and they lit out.

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<v Speaker 1>They first of all dropped Larry's little sister. By this

0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.560
<v Speaker 1>stage Larry had a baby sister called Kelly. They dropped

0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Kelly with some friends and they had a labrador dog

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<v Speaker 1>which they took around and dropped off at Jack Sparrow's house.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you believe in Sydney in those days there was

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<v Speaker 1>a colorful racing identity called Jack Sparrow, and Jack Sparrow

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<v Speaker 1>not the one in Pirates of the Caribbean. This is

0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the real Jack Sparrow, who did have a bit of

0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.160
<v Speaker 1>pirate in him. But that's where the labrador was dropped

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<v Speaker 1>off and the family of three, although I think they

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<v Speaker 1>got the baby back on the way somewhere. They might

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<v Speaker 1>have got little baby Kelly from a friend and picked

0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.120
<v Speaker 1>her up again. So in the end they're in the

0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Valiant and they're heading it to the outback. So Baldy Patricia,

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<v Speaker 1>Larry who's about eleven by this ten or eleven, and

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<v Speaker 1>his little baby sister Kelly, and they go to Cooper Peedy,

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper Petty, the Opel Fields right out in the boondocks

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<v Speaker 1>roughly where New South Wales hits the South Australian border

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<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff right out with all

0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the states meet in the corner country. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>out there somewhere, and there is a lot of interesting

0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.320
<v Speaker 1>people at Kuoper Petty. In those days. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>who were on the run from other places would go

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<v Speaker 1>to Kuber Peaty and there were a lot of underground

0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.880
<v Speaker 1>houses there, you know, literally houses dug into the earth

0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.720
<v Speaker 1>because people have been mining there for decades. And they

0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.680
<v Speaker 1>hid out at kuber Peaty and they should have stayed

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<v Speaker 1>there for longer, and then they should have gone somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else and stayed there longer and let everything cool right off.

0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.880
<v Speaker 1>But crooks are risk takers. They want to spend their money,

0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.640
<v Speaker 1>They want a big note. They don't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>away from the big centers of Sydney and Melbourne because

0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.960
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, that's the center of the world to them.

0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.000
<v Speaker 1>And foolishly Baldy Blairs every week going back and they

0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:04.080
<v Speaker 1>went back to Sydney. Long story short. Baldy Blair, cocky, confident,

0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:07.320
<v Speaker 1>tough little man that he was. He went back to

0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:12.120
<v Speaker 1>the Oceanic Hotel to where his drinking mates were and

0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, shouted everybody a drink and we're all happy

0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.960
<v Speaker 1>families again. And he thinks that all the heaters died

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.920
<v Speaker 1>down and no one's going to clip him for money.

0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And he was wrong, because you know what they did.

0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.480
<v Speaker 1>They said, oh, Bali, Baldie mate, come over and look

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in this van. You know, Harry's got a van here

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<v Speaker 1>full of hot gear, hot this or hot that, stolen stuff.

0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.679
<v Speaker 1>And of course this is what these guys used to do.

0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 1>We'k in week out they'd be buying and selling hot gear.

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.280
<v Speaker 1>And then went over to the van and they opened

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<v Speaker 1>up the door for him to look at the hot

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<v Speaker 1>gear and then they grabbed him and throw him in it,

0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and somebody put a gun in his ear and they

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<v Speaker 1>took him away. And we can't really say where, but

0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it will have been a warehouse or an empty premises

0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:00.200
<v Speaker 1>of factory, probably around the Botany area out near the

0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:05.800
<v Speaker 1>airport Kingsford Smith Airport, Sydney. And there it is said

0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.760
<v Speaker 1>that what became known as the toe Cutter Gang got

0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:14.640
<v Speaker 1>its name because they tortured Baldy Blair with bolt cutters

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and with a blow torch to get him to reveal

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.040
<v Speaker 1>where his cash was where the cash robbery cash was.

0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.439
<v Speaker 1>The name the toe Cutter Gang was coined over that

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<v Speaker 1>specific incident and the fact that they also did it

0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.879
<v Speaker 1>to his two mates to is too. Mates in the robbery,

0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that is Steve Nitti's and Alan Jones, who actually survived

0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and got away. They probably were able to give some

0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:45.600
<v Speaker 1>information or some money to the toe Cutters, but for

0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:50.119
<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, that didn't happen with Baldi Blair. Perhaps he

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.680
<v Speaker 1>was too tough for his own good and wouldn't divulge,

0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.119
<v Speaker 1>or perhaps they injured him too seriously before he divulged.

0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.439
<v Speaker 1>But the long and the short of it is that

0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he died of his injuries or they killed him. And

0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the story that Larry, as an adult twenty thirty years later,

0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.960
<v Speaker 1>was able to put together was that his body was

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.880
<v Speaker 1>probably dissolved in a vat of acid and then they

0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 1>buried his remains underneath the extension to the I think

0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.399
<v Speaker 1>north South runway of the airport was then being built

0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy, So they took whatever was left of

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.439
<v Speaker 1>poor old Baldi and they tipped it out in a

0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.000
<v Speaker 1>trench or whatever where they were building the north South runway,

0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.280
<v Speaker 1>and that was the end of Baldy Blair, So that

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.639
<v Speaker 1>left he very shattered, Patricia, his wife, and a very

0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:52.880
<v Speaker 1>anxious son, Larry, who realized, of course that Baldy, who

0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Larry says, was a bully and a rogue

0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.240
<v Speaker 1>and a womanizer, and you know, a lot of bad things.

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:04.439
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't of father of the year, but he was

0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the only father this kid had, and in his own way,

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:14.160
<v Speaker 1>he sort of loved him. And they were scared that

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the bad guys would come for them, and I think

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 1>they were right to be scared. Patricia had a very

0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:27.439
<v Speaker 1>acute sense of self preservation, and she was intuitive and

0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 1>intelligent when she could read the play very well, and

0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 1>she said, right, we're going. As soon as she heard

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:38.280
<v Speaker 1>that Bully had disappeared, she grabs her son, She drops

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.119
<v Speaker 1>a daughter, the little girl, off at other friends, and

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they go and get on an aeroplane to fly to Melbourne.

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:49.359
<v Speaker 1>And they're at the airport at Sydney in an ansett plane.

0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 1>It taxies out from the terminal to get to the

0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:58.479
<v Speaker 1>actual strip to take off, and Patricia looks over her

0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 1>shoulder and sees a red guy called Billy Maloney. Billy

0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Maloney was one of the guys from the Oceanic Hotel

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>who used to be a drinking partner, drinking buddy of ballies.

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>And she knows that Billy Maloney is one of the

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 1>treacherous bastards who has been one of the toe cutters.

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.200
<v Speaker 1>And she thinks, and she's probably right, that he's following

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.359
<v Speaker 1>them to Melbourne because she's trying to go into smoke,

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.919
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to vanish, and there's this guy four seats

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 1>behind them. She bolts straight down to the cockpit. She

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.119
<v Speaker 1>bangs on the cockpit door. She gets the captain of

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the plane to stop the plane and speak to her.

0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And because of her vehemence, her articulate nature, possibly because

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 1>of her beauty, because that doesn't do any harm, she

0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was able to persuade the captain that the flight should

0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>not take off until he'd called the police radio for

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the police to come. That they wheeled the steps back

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>out to the plane, opened the door of the plane

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and escorted she and her son off the plane, leaving

0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.200
<v Speaker 1>the red haired passenger on it. So this is how

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 1>she avoided the bad guy on the plane following her

0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>to Melbourne. The police come and escort them off the plane.

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>The plane takes off and goes to Melbourne. Meanwhile, they're

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>in Sydney with the police and the police said, what

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.200
<v Speaker 1>are we going to do with you? Well, you've got

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to take her somewhere safe. So the police dropped them

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 1>off at a dodgy old motel which I think was

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>in Couljiebay Road, but it doesn't really matter. It's a

0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>dodgy old motel on the edge of Sydney somewhere. And

0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 1>that night he can remember this is Larry telling this

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 1>story because Larry's now written a book, which is why

0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 1>we're interested. Larry tells the story that that night he

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>and his mother are in this motel room and they're

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 1>very awake, and they're very nervous, and they fold down

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.679
<v Speaker 1>this dodgy old joint had these fold down beds that

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>were really squeaky and horrible, and they fold it down

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and they get on the bed and they're lying there

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>wondering what's going to happen next, and how they're going

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to get to Melbourne and all that, when they hear something.

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>They hear in the corridor one of the little trolleys

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.479
<v Speaker 1>that the maids used to bring the sheets and the

0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>meals and the whatever, all the stuff around the shampoo.

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 1>They hear this squeaking wheels of this trolley. They'd squeak

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 1>along and then stop. Then they'd hear a voice, a

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.919
<v Speaker 1>knock on the door, and then a voice. Then it'd

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>move on to the next door, and so on. And

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Patricia realizes it's after midnight and this will not be

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a legitimate trolley run. It's too late, she said, quick

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.159
<v Speaker 1>she grabs the boy, Larry. She shoves him out the window.

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>They're up a couple of flights, a couple of stories.

0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Climb down, climb down. They both get out the window

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:06.679
<v Speaker 1>and they climb down the downpipe. They're guttering the downpipe

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and they're hoping that the rusty old downpipe won't break.

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>And they get to the ground. They jump over the

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 1>fence next door into the next door block. And the

0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>next door block is I think it was undeveloped, might

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>have been a building site or something, and it had

0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>some scrub on it and some lantana bushes, which is rubbishy,

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 1>noxious weed. And they hide in the lantana bush. And

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:33.720
<v Speaker 1>as soon as they get over that fence. Now a

0:24:33.760 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>minute after vacating the room via the window, they hear

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>this crash from upstairs, whoever it was, having knocked on

0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 1>their door and no answer, has kicked their door in,

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>broken their door in, and they realized they'd missed. They'd

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>got away by that much, but they're terrified, so they

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>hide all night in the Lantana bushes, not moving a

0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:01.640
<v Speaker 1>muscle in case somebody's looking for them. Dawn just starts

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to break. At whatever five point thirty six. Dawn starts

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to break and they creep out to the street and

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:12.920
<v Speaker 1>they see empty taxi. She sticks her hand up, pushes

0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the son Larry into the caxi, jumps in behind him

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and says, quick, take us to the city bus station,

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the big interstate bus station. Doesn't matter where it was,

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.360
<v Speaker 1>but I think it was down a five dock or somewhere.

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And they go to the bus station and they get

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the first bus to Melbourne, and so by that night,

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:37.800
<v Speaker 1>after a very very grueling twenty four hours, they're in Melbourne,

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and then they take a train down to Frankston and

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>there they meet a couple they call Uncle Elfie and

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Auntie Joan, who are not actually their blood relatives. I

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>think they were probably friends or relatives of Baldy Blares,

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>but these were the people that looked after them while

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.480
<v Speaker 1>they were hiding in Melbourne, and he writes something like

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Franklin was a great place to hide because no one

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go there, which is unkind. But the Artie

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Joan and Uncle elf Uncle Elfy put up a tall

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>fence around the house, and I used to patrol the

0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>tall fence with his old shotgun. And they gave Larry

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a different name. He call himself Barry, Barry Brown or whatever,

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and he went off to the local state school under

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 1>the false name. Meanwhile, Patricia hung around home and didn't

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>go out much because she was fairly striking to look at,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's better if she didn't get around. And they

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>hid out there for some time now. I don't know

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>if it was weeks or months, because Larry's memory he's

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>not that accurate. But they stayed here a fair while

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>until they I think they wore out there welcome naturally,

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and be thought it might be safe to go back

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to Sydney, and that things that cooled down. They might

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 1>have heard that this guy's in jail, or that blokes

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>when shit or so and so has gone to England.

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>That the toe cutter gang had sort of dispersed a bit,

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>and so Larry and his beloved mother, Patricia, the jewelfliff lady,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>who was his not only his mother, but his best

0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>friend and his great companion and his mentor. They meant

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>everything to each other. They went back to Sydney to

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>their little house that they had up there, and Patricia

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>embarked on a career of jewel thefts with a gang

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>of like minded folk that netted them some worldwide headlines.

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>One of them in nineteen eighty ten, years after the

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>big robbery that had caused all their troubles, she and

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>two companions knocked off the I think it's called the

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>gold Conondador. It's a famous massive diamond that was mine

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>three hundred years ago in India. It was something like

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>one hundred thirty carrot. It was extremely rare. It was

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.159
<v Speaker 1>really clean, clear diamond with just a sort of an

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>orange tinge. Extremely rare. It was priceless, and it was

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>exhibited as an exhibit at this exhibition in Sydney. It

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>had armed guards that had all this stuff and they

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 1>managed to steal it in front of a room full

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<v Speaker 1>of people. They created some diversion and said they were

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<v Speaker 1>there to repair the cabinet that it was in They

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>must have worn the right sort of clothes. And they

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>conned everybody they're there to repair the cabinet or fix

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the cabinet door or whatever. And they opened the cabinet

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>door and Patricia, this is Larry's mum, because of her deafness,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>she was able to slide in, slip in a glass

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>copy of this great diamond and steal the real one.

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<v Speaker 1>And as far as anyone knows, that real one, that's

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty, that's forty four years ago. That diamond is

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<v Speaker 1>still out there. Somebody somewhere in the world will have

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>paid a lot of money for the pleasure of illicitly

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>owning that stolen diamond, because it never came home as

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<v Speaker 1>far as anyone knows. And that is the origin story

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of Larry Blair. Now, Larry Blair, anybody out there thinks

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that name is familiar, They're probably right it is. Larry

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Blair became one of Australia's greatest names in surfing. He

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was one of the first wave of big time surfers

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>who came through in seventies. He made his name during

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, particularly the late seventies, and he was a

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>contemporary of the biggest names in the game, and he

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>was a star of the Sydney Surf Beaches along with

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<v Speaker 1>a few other guys, and he ended up going to

0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Hawaii to sort of polish up his technique and it

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.479
<v Speaker 1>was there that he won two i think two World

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Masters titles. So Larry Blair he went from being the

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<v Speaker 1>son of the great armored car robber who was a

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>victim of the toe Cutter gang, the son of the

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>great jewel thief and beautiful gangsters mole for one of

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a better word, to becoming a world champion surfer. He

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>also became an actor, a sort of a small time actor.

0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>So Larry Blair left crime behind, never really wanted to

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>know about it. Seeing what had happened to his parents

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and to their friends, and seeing the treachery, the brutality,

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the highs and lows, it meant that he never really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have anything to do with crime or with gambling,

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>but instead he became a professional surfer. He, of course,

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, gradually faded from view and he ended up

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>living in Southeast Asia, I think in Balley he married,

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<v Speaker 1>or in Indonesia at least where there are a lot

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of big waves, and he married a local woman up there,

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think he ended up running a restaurant and

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>became quite a competent chef. He loved cooking and being

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a chef. These days, I think he's back in Australia,

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:23.719
<v Speaker 1>up on northern beaches of New South Wales maybe or

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>somewhere like that, or southern Queensland, and he's leading a

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>quiet life. But in the last year or two he's

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>produced this book. It's called The Outside. It's written with

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>his surfing friend Jeremy Goring. Jeremy Goring obviously is a

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>smart guy who understands writing and publishing and all that stuff.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>He probably wasn't as good as surfer as Larry, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking he's probably a better writer than Larry. Hard

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<v Speaker 1>to tell, but the book, it's not literature, but it's

0:31:55.720 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>a very interesting insight into the Australian underworld of the sixties,

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>seventies and eighties from a particular perspective. It's from the

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>viewpoint of a child caught up in it, who doesn't

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.840
<v Speaker 1>want to be in it, who's caught up in it,

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:19.959
<v Speaker 1>who's fearful, who loves his mother dearly, who is angry

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>and upset and scared because his father vanished in dreadful circumstances,

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and who for years lived in fear that the bad

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:33.240
<v Speaker 1>guys that killed his father would catch up with him somehow.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>And after he got to grow into an adult, he

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>turned over. At the age of sixteen or whatever, he

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of turned it into a man. He then started

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>to look forward. It's been ale as he's looking over

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>his shoulder. But then when he got to be a

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>young man, he started to look forward and thought, I'd

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>like to catch up with those guys. I want to

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>see Billy Maloney and put it on him. You know,

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the red hair guy that I reckon was the one

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>that really did the damage to Dad, was a two faced,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 1>treacherous varment. I want to catch up with him. And

0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>one day he walked into a beer garden in Sydney,

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and there he was there all these years later. He

0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>saw this man with red hair sitting there nursing a

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>beer and he thought, that's him. What'll I do? And

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>what he did was he thought, that'll do. I'll just

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>leave it. It's not worth worrying about. Look at him.

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>He's pathetic. There's nothing to be gained one way or another.

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to talk to him, I'm not going

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>to glass him, I'm not gonna hit him with a

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>beer jug. I'm just going to walk out. And that's

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>what he did. And he turned on his heel and

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he walked away from that whole scene, and he left

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 1>fantasies of revenge behind and he became a very peaceful,

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>nature loving fellow who tried to put all that traumatic

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff behind him. But you can tell that the book

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>is probably the product of a very wounded psyche. That

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:10.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy has been full of fear as a kid,

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and hatred and all those things and love that the

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 1>book is his attempt to try and come to terms

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>with a very dangerous past. The book is called The Outside.

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>It's by Larry Blair and Jeremy Goring. It's published by

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<v Speaker 1>Penguin Books. And we'll have a link in the description

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<v Speaker 1>where you can find out more.

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