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Speaker 1: Apoche Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always the CEO Series.

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Speaker 2: This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.

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Speaker 1: Happy people create happy businesses.

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Speaker 3: True emotionally intelligent leadership.

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Speaker 2: I've picked up vomit once on our about our fourth flight,

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Speaker 2: and everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him,

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Speaker 2: I can do it Now. We will be joined by

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Speaker 2: culture and leadership experts and some superstar CEOs who will

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Speaker 2: courageously tell us the truth behind their brave leadership journeys. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to be joined in the studio by the

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Speaker 2: vivacious Antonio Mercarella.

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Speaker 3: Antonio is the CEO of.

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Speaker 2: ARIQ, the Real Estate Institute of Queensland, which is the

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Speaker 2: peak body representing real estate professionals across Queensland.

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Speaker 3: At the time of her appointment, she made.

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Speaker 2: History is arioq's first female CEO and the youngest as well.

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Speaker 2: With over a twenty year legal and executive management career,

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Speaker 2: Antonio has led and shaped some of the most significant

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Speaker 2: real estate legislative reforms across multiple jurisdictions. She's been named

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Speaker 2: one of the top ten most influential people in Queensland

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Speaker 2: real estate by The Korea Mail In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: she earned a spot in the Queensland Power List and

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Speaker 2: has been a finalist in the twenty seventeen Telstra Businesswoman's

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Speaker 2: Award and now in the upcoming twenty twenty four Lord

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Speaker 2: Mayor Business Awards for the corea Male business Person of

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Speaker 2: the Year.

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Speaker 3: Pleasure to have you here in Tan.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about the first time I met you,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to tell you about this because I

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Speaker 2: went to a real estate of ento the Calah, wasn't it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Property insider me that one.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And this is what stood out to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they might think it's funny, and atually you're representing it

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Speaker 3: really well.

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Speaker 2: Today is you were so brightly dressed. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why that was such a big thing for me, but

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Speaker 2: I was like, it was so warm and inviting. And

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Speaker 2: it's interesting because when I don't know people don't know me,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know them particularly well. I always

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Speaker 2: and so friendly, and you made time for me and

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Speaker 2: what makes great leaders, I think that moment is so important,

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Speaker 2: right and the impact it has.

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Speaker 1: That's love that thank you. I didn't know that thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's very touching. Funny story about how much color I wear.

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Speaker 1: I'm originally from Adelaide and I also lived in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: and growing up, I wore a lot of black and

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Speaker 1: I used to be a lawyer, so I used to

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Speaker 1: wear a lot of black corporate ware. And when I

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Speaker 1: first moved to Queensland, I was going to Ariq. I

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Speaker 1: And then I started to incorporate color, and most of

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Speaker 1: because to think that now I'm known as someone who

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Speaker 2: That is an interesting story, and I know it might

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Speaker 2: sound a little bit random, but I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: sometimes what a difference that makes when you first meet somebody,

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Speaker 2: it made a difference if you were all I'm saying

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Speaker 3: But if you still love black people.

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Speaker 2: But I just remember, and I think because I was

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Speaker 1: Well thank you.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know you started your career in law, as you

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Speaker 2: So when did your parents move to Australia and what

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Speaker 1: I love talking about my upbringing, and I am very

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Speaker 1: much the product of that upbringing. Both of my parents

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Speaker 1: I often say, I'm from peasant stock, a really basic

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Speaker 1: had all of the relatives, all the uncles and aunties,

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Speaker 1: I was raised by a community, but in a multi

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Speaker 1: We would wake up, make our own breakfast, make our

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Speaker 1: that I find really disappointing about Australia is the way

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Speaker 1: this extreme work ethic, but also just they're really resourceful people,

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Speaker 1: and that's really rubbed off on me, you know, their

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Speaker 1: things that you don't understand and you don't necessarily consciously

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Speaker 1: then I think, just finally, the thing about my parents

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Speaker 1: and whenever I return there, I'm reminded of that. That's

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Speaker 2: That I mean, obviously their hard work is it was

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Speaker 2: probably no surprise that you were going to go and

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Speaker 2: kick off your career, was being in a law firm?

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Speaker 3: What you wanted to do or did.

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Speaker 2: You have a secret, underlying passion for something different but

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Speaker 1: I was really lucky and Dad never really pressured my

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Speaker 1: And after that they always said you can do whatever

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Speaker 1: but both of our parents said, if you want to

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Speaker 1: wanting to be a lawyer. It wasn't a childhood passional

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it leads me on for fact

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Speaker 2: that obviously, you know you are the first female CEO

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Speaker 3: You weren't, or did it not?

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Speaker 1: In my early days, even before I was CEO Fariq,

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Speaker 1: even when I was General Pown, I've had experiences where

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Speaker 1: certainly in the early days I remember going into meetings

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Speaker 1: with the exception rather than the rule. Things are really

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Speaker 1: different today. I will say, I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: leadership roles, but quite genuinely, I have just plowed through it.

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Speaker 1: I think it probably comes back to my upbringing.

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Speaker 2: So with somebody who's you know, rising through the ranks.

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Speaker 2: You are the youngest female CEO at dariol.

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Speaker 1: I was youngest at the top appointment. Just to just

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Speaker 1: to qualify you, full are probably like, she's really, how

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Speaker 3: Keep yourself in check? Or is it even a thing?

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Speaker 1: I keep myself in check because I recognize that I

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Speaker 1: am in a very privileged position. I recognize how fortunate

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Speaker 1: I am to be in the role. But I also

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Speaker 1: know how hard I worked to get here, and I

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Speaker 1: also know how hard I continue to work. I work hard,

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Speaker 1: and my team works hard. So I recognize the profile

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Speaker 1: allows me to do things like I'll attend Parliamentary committee

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk a bit about okay leadership

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Speaker 2: and your role, your CEO role in my experience, like

438
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Speaker 2: the CEO holds this responsibility between leading and inspiring people

439
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: but also meeting business priorities and goals. It's no mean

440
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Speaker 2: feat to do both, right, So how do you find

441
00:21:19,201 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: that juggle sometimes in terms of being that leader for

442
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Speaker 2: people and the cult running that they sort of inspiring

443
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Speaker 2: the culture, but then also having to meet all.

444
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Speaker 3: These business needs.

445
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Speaker 1: I think that is the juggling acts right. Some days

446
00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I nail it. Other days I feel

447
00:21:33,721 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 1: like what am I doing here? It's really challenging because

448
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,041
Speaker 1: I think ultimately I'm there to protect to serve THERIIQ,

449
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: to promote its interests, to continue to grow it and

450
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Speaker 1: make it a sustainable business, which is not easy with

451
00:21:47,241 --> 00:21:50,400
Speaker 1: this type of a business. And obviously there are strategic

452
00:21:50,441 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: priorities that need to be actioned and implemented. And then

453
00:21:54,321 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: at the other end, you've got the most important asset,

454
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: which is the human beings who work, and that can

455
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Speaker 1: be really challenging because you're really wanting to look after

456
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Speaker 1: your team. And I genuinely care about the people I

457
00:22:06,681 --> 00:22:09,441
Speaker 1: work with. I do, but I think any leader will

458
00:22:09,441 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: tell you that can be really challenging. Where you've got

459
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Speaker 1: days that your diary is literally there's like a fifteen

460
00:22:17,321 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: minute break for some food, and then you've got people

461
00:22:21,761 --> 00:22:25,241
Speaker 1: who need you that day. I think that's the juggling act.

462
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Speaker 1: I think some days it feels easier. The other thing

463
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Speaker 1: that can be really challenging is when you've got team

464
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Speaker 1: members who they're good people, they're good human beings, but

465
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Speaker 1: they're not the right cultural fit or they're not performing.

466
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Speaker 1: So those are always tough conversations where you want to

467
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Speaker 1: look after your team, but you also have to look

468
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Speaker 1: after the best interes of the business. And I've tried

469
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Speaker 1: to do a lot of professional development on this issue

470
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Speaker 1: to try and get better at managing those two things.

471
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Speaker 1: I think I've gotten better at it over the years,

472
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Speaker 1: but I don't know that it's ever perfect. And it's

473
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Speaker 1: that challenge of when you bring people into the team,

474
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Speaker 1: you really want to preserve the culture. You've got this team,

475
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Speaker 1: and you've got this culture, and you're fiercely protective of it,

476
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Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I've got it. Now, I've nailed it.

477
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Speaker 1: We've got this great group of people who generally gell

478
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Speaker 1: really well and it's working. But you know it's coming

479
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Speaker 1: that inevitably someone comes along or something a particular issue

480
00:23:20,001 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: comes along, and then it just throws it into disarray. Right,

481
00:23:23,521 --> 00:23:26,241
Speaker 1: you can watch it happening because you recognize it, and

482
00:23:26,281 --> 00:23:28,321
Speaker 1: you go, I can see what's happening. The wills are

483
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: starting to fall off, and it could start with something

484
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Speaker 1: really minor, and before you know it, you've got this

485
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Speaker 1: kind of big issue that's hanging over your head that

486
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Speaker 1: you know you have to manage and deal with.

487
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Speaker 3: Because you hold yourself to such high standards, do you

488
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Speaker 3: feel you also do that of those who work for you.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. I don't think I hold anyone

490
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Speaker 1: to the same standard that I hold myself. I just

491
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Speaker 1: don't even think that's possible. I do think though I

492
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Speaker 1: have high expectations of people. I will say that. In fact,

493
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Speaker 1: I've had people say to me, your expectations are very high.

494
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Speaker 1: So I recognize that about myself. But my view on

495
00:24:07,201 --> 00:24:11,041
Speaker 1: that is that I'm not asking you to do anything

496
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Speaker 1: that I'm not doing. I think it's different if you've

497
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Speaker 1: got a leader who marches around issuing orders but then

498
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Speaker 1: doesn't think that they need to play a role. I'm

499
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Speaker 1: not like that at all. My team knows when something

500
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Speaker 1: needs to be done. I will roll my sleeves up

501
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: and I will get in there and do it. And

502
00:24:31,681 --> 00:24:34,281
Speaker 1: now there'll be people who will say that I shouldn't

503
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Speaker 1: do that, that that's not what a CEO does. That's okay,

504
00:24:37,761 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: I get that, But that's the kind of CEO I

505
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Speaker 1: want to be. I decided sort of several years ago

506
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to be the CEO I want to be.

507
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to try and get a list of

508
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Speaker 1: attributes and characteristics and try and pick them all off.

509
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Speaker 1: I am who I am. I am a very involved CEO.

510
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Speaker 1: I don't think i'm a micro manager, but I am

511
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Speaker 1: involved and so although I do have high expectations for

512
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Speaker 1: my team, I hope that I demonstrate right that I

513
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Speaker 1: hold myself to the highest standard and expectations as well.

514
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Speaker 2: You said earlier about the fact that you know you

515
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Speaker 2: can get the culture to a point where it's kind

516
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Speaker 2: of humming, and then you know, is that deliberate as

517
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Speaker 2: and do you have sort of some deliberate approaches when

518
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Speaker 2: it comes to culture, like we've got to do there's

519
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Speaker 2: some rituals that we have to do that you think

520
00:25:22,961 --> 00:25:25,361
Speaker 2: make a great culture or is it kind of organic?

521
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Speaker 1: I think we've tried some things over the years that

522
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: have felt a little bit staged and manufactioned. I'm not

523
00:25:31,441 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: a big fan of those things. I'd rather develop that

524
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Speaker 1: culture organically. So the sorts of things I believe in

525
00:25:39,761 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: and I try and do is I believe in transparency,

526
00:25:44,281 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: communicating well. I am very visible at the ARIIQ I'm involved.

527
00:25:50,321 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: I will always say good morning, I will stop and

528
00:25:52,921 --> 00:25:57,161
Speaker 1: have conversations with people, and I expect others to do that.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I am big on is I'm

530
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,801
Speaker 1: not a fan of hierarchy. It's just not who I am. Yes,

531
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Speaker 1: I happen to hold the role and title of CEO.

532
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,961
Speaker 1: But my view is that each of us is equally important.

533
00:26:13,001 --> 00:26:16,521
Speaker 1: We just play different roles. So again, I try to

534
00:26:16,561 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: go to work and be a decent human being. I

535
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,001
Speaker 1: really do. There are times I have to make tough decisions.

536
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Speaker 1: There are probably people who have worked with me listening

537
00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: to this. Maybe they don't think I'm a good person,

538
00:26:27,521 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: but I certainly try to be a good person and

539
00:26:31,041 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: a good leader. But there are times that you have

540
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Speaker 1: to make really difficult decisions. And that's how we try

541
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Speaker 1: and build good culture. I mean, look, there are some

542
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Speaker 1: other things we do. We have a people and culture

543
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of team that focuses on culture. We do a

544
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Speaker 1: lot of eating at THERIIQ, lots of social activities. We're

545
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,241
Speaker 1: always in the kitchen, We're always eating, people are always baking.

546
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Speaker 1: There's a lot that sort of centers around food, which

547
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,121
Speaker 1: I think makes people really happy. We do social activities,

548
00:27:00,281 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: but we also work really hard, right. We do all

549
00:27:03,241 --> 00:27:05,681
Speaker 1: sorts of things to try and measure, cure and make

550
00:27:05,721 --> 00:27:09,321
Speaker 1: sure that we're not believing our own hype. Are we perfect? No,

551
00:27:09,481 --> 00:27:11,921
Speaker 1: We're not perfect. I wish we were, but I'm yet

552
00:27:11,961 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: to find any kind of a workplace that is perfection.

553
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Speaker 3: I agree this is a little controversial, this one.

554
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Speaker 2: I'm interesting to you view recently, when I was talking

555
00:27:21,241 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: about my Brave VR product that we've just come out with,

556
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:25,921
Speaker 2: one of the stats that I always find this mind

557
00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: blowing is eighty three percent of all employees expect their

558
00:27:29,921 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: employer to provide personal development support. And when I've had

559
00:27:33,201 --> 00:27:35,801
Speaker 2: this conversation year's gone by, most people would say to me,

560
00:27:35,921 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: it's not our responsibility to provide that for employees. My

561
00:27:38,681 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: personal view is whether you think it's your responsibility or not,

562
00:27:41,521 --> 00:27:43,881
Speaker 2: that's what people expect, and it's becoming more and more

563
00:27:43,921 --> 00:27:44,801
Speaker 2: that people expected.

564
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Speaker 3: So either it's you lean into it and provide it

565
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Speaker 3: or you don't. Totally open to your view on that one.

566
00:27:49,921 --> 00:27:53,041
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you've got to do that. We budget

567
00:27:53,201 --> 00:27:56,441
Speaker 1: for professional development for all of the team. There's one

568
00:27:56,521 --> 00:27:59,481
Speaker 1: column if you like, that's about professional development that all

569
00:27:59,521 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: of us will benefit from. Yep, so we might do

570
00:28:01,761 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: that as a team. And then there's professional development that

571
00:28:04,921 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: is very specific and relevant to your role. And my

572
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,681
Speaker 1: view on that is, I'm not going to tell you

573
00:28:11,721 --> 00:28:14,761
Speaker 1: what professional development you should go do. In that latter category.

574
00:28:15,281 --> 00:28:19,361
Speaker 1: If you're the CFO, You're going to choose professional development

575
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: that's relevant to that role, that allows you to enhance

576
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,281
Speaker 1: your skills in that area. I'm not going to know

577
00:28:24,321 --> 00:28:27,041
Speaker 1: what that looks like. My general counsel will pick and

578
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,521
Speaker 1: choose what she goes to, and everyone will go off

579
00:28:29,521 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: and do whatever professional development they want. The other thing

580
00:28:32,201 --> 00:28:34,881
Speaker 1: we offer every team member at the ARIIQ is we

581
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:39,521
Speaker 1: offer them the real estate registration course so they can

582
00:28:39,521 --> 00:28:41,921
Speaker 1: all do it free of charge, so that they actually

583
00:28:42,121 --> 00:28:46,281
Speaker 1: understand the people that we are serving. So I think

584
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Speaker 1: professional development is absolutely love that, like you, just a.

585
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Speaker 3: Great I can't avoid it.

586
00:28:50,961 --> 00:28:53,801
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I heard this great question the other day.

587
00:28:53,881 --> 00:28:56,521
Speaker 2: It's by a Harvard psychologist, Susan David. She's amazing.

588
00:28:56,721 --> 00:28:58,121
Speaker 1: I'm nervous you should be known.

589
00:28:58,401 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 4: I'm key.

590
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Speaker 3: It's basically what you told me. But I love this question, Antonia.

591
00:29:01,561 --> 00:29:08,721
Speaker 2: Why should anyone be led by you?

592
00:29:08,721 --> 00:29:11,641
Speaker 3: You've really got mistuned. It's a great question.

593
00:29:11,561 --> 00:29:14,601
Speaker 1: Right all right? Well, I'm going to say I think

594
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Speaker 1: it's because I am the person who believes in the ARIIQ.

595
00:29:20,081 --> 00:29:23,801
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe in the ARIIQ. I believe in what

596
00:29:23,921 --> 00:29:28,761
Speaker 1: we're doing, and my role is to lead that organization.

597
00:29:29,281 --> 00:29:32,281
Speaker 1: But I can only do that with the support of

598
00:29:32,561 --> 00:29:36,281
Speaker 1: the team around me. And i'd like to think that

599
00:29:36,721 --> 00:29:40,361
Speaker 1: although I am the leader, my role is to bundle

600
00:29:40,401 --> 00:29:43,481
Speaker 1: everyone together and say, let's do this together.

601
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Speaker 3: Beautiful, because it's about your passion for it.

602
00:29:45,921 --> 00:29:46,081
Speaker 1: Right.

603
00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:48,401
Speaker 3: Why people should be led by you is because.

604
00:29:48,121 --> 00:29:50,601
Speaker 2: You believe in this and you're going to go to pustion,

605
00:29:50,681 --> 00:29:52,121
Speaker 2: You're going to advocate and you're going to do that

606
00:29:52,161 --> 00:29:52,881
Speaker 2: and that's amazing.

607
00:29:53,121 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: But I think it's a great question because.

608
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Speaker 2: I think it talks a lot the fact that if

609
00:29:56,601 --> 00:29:58,801
Speaker 2: I ask your staff, I bet you they would find

610
00:29:58,921 --> 00:30:00,001
Speaker 2: easier to articulate.

611
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a hard question, you said yourself. You're the

612
00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:03,321
Speaker 3: harshest critics on yourself.

613
00:30:03,401 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: Right, you talked before about your role at ARIOQ, but

614
00:30:06,001 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: also the charity work and the stuff that you do

615
00:30:09,241 --> 00:30:12,561
Speaker 2: to support, you know, the different groups across Brisbane. The

616
00:30:12,601 --> 00:30:15,521
Speaker 2: Forgotten Women is one that you're really passionate about. And

617
00:30:15,561 --> 00:30:17,641
Speaker 2: I think this is an amazing initiative which is obviously

618
00:30:17,721 --> 00:30:20,601
Speaker 2: committed to providing fit for purpose housing for homeless women

619
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Speaker 2: over fifty five years of age. And I think it's

620
00:30:23,281 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: a really really important cause and I wanted to mention it.

621
00:30:26,561 --> 00:30:29,401
Speaker 2: I'm here because I remember my mom, after going through

622
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Speaker 2: her divorce and having not worked for a lot of

623
00:30:31,961 --> 00:30:35,041
Speaker 2: her career, being in that exact potential position.

624
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Speaker 3: Like even myself.

625
00:30:36,241 --> 00:30:38,481
Speaker 2: I'm a single mum of kids, and you know, if

626
00:30:38,521 --> 00:30:41,321
Speaker 2: I don't make the money, there's no fallback, There's nowhere

627
00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:41,881
Speaker 2: for me to go.

628
00:30:42,201 --> 00:30:44,721
Speaker 3: And I can see how quickly and easily it could happen.

629
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Speaker 1: And that's right. I'm so blessed to be in this role.

630
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Speaker 1: But none of us are immune from it. And I

631
00:30:50,601 --> 00:30:53,161
Speaker 1: think these are women over the age of fifty five,

632
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Speaker 1: and it is the largest growing demographic of homelessness. I

633
00:30:57,681 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: find that so disturbing when I think about my grandmother,

634
00:31:02,481 --> 00:31:06,681
Speaker 1: when I think about my mother, like aunties, sisters, our friends,

635
00:31:06,721 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: it's just women living in cars, and of course you

636
00:31:10,001 --> 00:31:13,681
Speaker 1: can imagine that comes with the fairly severe level of risk.

637
00:31:14,161 --> 00:31:16,801
Speaker 1: And what's really disturbing is that even though our charity

638
00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:20,281
Speaker 1: is dedicated to women over fifty five, the average age

639
00:31:20,721 --> 00:31:25,681
Speaker 1: of our clients it's actually seventy two, and we have

640
00:31:26,241 --> 00:31:30,121
Speaker 1: women that we are assisting who are in their nineteens.

641
00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, I say this to my kids all

642
00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:35,641
Speaker 1: the time. If we see a homeless person and we think, oh,

643
00:31:35,681 --> 00:31:39,561
Speaker 1: well they've chosen that, or you know, people make those

644
00:31:39,601 --> 00:31:42,881
Speaker 1: sorts of comments. You know, it's really not especially in

645
00:31:42,921 --> 00:31:47,481
Speaker 1: the current environment. It's one decision or one moment, correct,

646
00:31:47,481 --> 00:31:50,081
Speaker 1: that can lead you to that. That's why I felt

647
00:31:50,081 --> 00:31:53,761
Speaker 1: really compelled to get involved when I imagine them living

648
00:31:53,801 --> 00:31:57,561
Speaker 1: in cars or not having security of housing and actually

649
00:31:57,641 --> 00:32:01,961
Speaker 1: makes me feel ill. And so it's not talked about.

650
00:32:02,001 --> 00:32:03,201
Speaker 3: I feel like it's not talked about.

651
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Speaker 1: Well, it's not talked about a lot. It's only I

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Speaker 1: feel like it's a topic. It's not new, but it's

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Speaker 1: become far more prevalent, and we are now bringing it

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Speaker 1: out into the light and we're talking about it so

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Speaker 1: much more. That's not to say that I don't care

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Speaker 1: about men who are homeless, of course I do. But

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Speaker 1: I think we've got to recognize that the facts are

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Speaker 1: that this is affecting women over the age of fifty

659
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Speaker 1: five disproportionately correct. That's on account of economic and social

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Speaker 1: factors that I think we can all reckonect.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think for both of us, why are

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00:32:37,961 --> 00:32:41,641
Speaker 2: we so strong advocates for women pursuing careers? And it's

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Speaker 2: because of this right, Like you know, my mum's generation.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't pushed that she would go off and work,

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Speaker 2: and she stayed at home and she was a stay

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Speaker 2: at her mum. She was a great stay at homer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the result was, and I look, I don't

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Speaker 3: have daughters that I preach to all of my friend's daughters.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, get married, have kids, but get a career,

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Speaker 2: because you know what, as like, if it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: out and you can't guarantee that it's all going to

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Speaker 2: end in a fairy.

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Speaker 3: Tale, now you've got something to fall back on.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I've seen of a lot of my

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00:33:05,161 --> 00:33:08,561
Speaker 2: own friends going through marriage breakdowns and so forth, is

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Speaker 2: that they're not the bread warner. In fact, they might

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00:33:10,441 --> 00:33:12,521
Speaker 2: have not worked for a really long time, and building

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Speaker 2: a career once you hit forty is challenging with the

679
00:33:15,481 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: current pricing crisis that we've got. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I can see why this is happening now that we're

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Speaker 2: seeing women in that age bracket, and so I just, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's something that is a really important cause.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel really strongly about that particular cause. And

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Speaker 1: I'm also involved in a number of other initiatives that

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Speaker 1: relate to domestic and family violence. Again, that's something that

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Speaker 1: as a UNI student, a girlfriend of mine was a

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Speaker 1: social worker and she worked in a women's shelter and

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Speaker 1: I would volunteer there and help out. And you know,

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Speaker 1: at a very young age, I had a very probably

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Speaker 1: quite a sheltered upbringing. If I'm honest, I hadn't understood,

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Speaker 1: you know, when she first got me involved, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: quite comprehend. I was quite young, and so that really

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Speaker 1: opened my eyes to that issue. And of course, sadly,

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Speaker 1: you know, those rates of domestic violencer are higher than ever,

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Speaker 1: and of course that's also leading to homelessness. So I

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Speaker 1: feel really blessed that I'm able to get involved in

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Speaker 1: these other charities and initiatives and hopefully use I guess

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Speaker 1: the profile that I've been able to build to shine

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Speaker 1: a light on these issues and raise funds for them.

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Speaker 3: You absolutely are.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, I could talk to you for ages, especially ever

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Speaker 2: a ball of pastor and a veno, but given it's

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Speaker 2: only eleven am, so I'm going to have to wrap

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 3: One question for you, Antonia. All right, let's go back

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Speaker 3: to twenty year old Antonia. She's in South Australia. I'm

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Speaker 3: assuming yes, what's the best advice you would give to

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Speaker 3: her today?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would tell her to have more fun. I

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Speaker 1: would tell her to have more fun and to try

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Speaker 1: and travel more. I have had fun. I probably took

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Speaker 1: life way too seriously at a young age, and as

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Speaker 1: a fifty year old woman, I would tell my twenty

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Speaker 1: year old self have more fun, don't take it all

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Speaker 1: so seriously, and travel more. Oh.

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Speaker 2: I love that absolutely well, it's been an a sleute

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Speaker 2: pleasure have been you, and genuinely mean this. I love

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Speaker 2: the work that you do, but I also I can

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Speaker 2: see why you will burn yourself to the ground sometimes

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Speaker 2: because what you do can have such amazing impact and

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Speaker 2: influence on people.

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Speaker 3: And so it's been a pleasure. Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You've had a lot of fun there