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Speaker 1: We've known each other for seven minutes. We go way

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mardon Craig. So far the last seven minutes has

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Speaker 2: been nice. Mates. I'm liking this friendship of ours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really getting to know you. It's it's nice.

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Speaker 1: If only you were closer, I could spoon you. But

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Speaker 2: The bites through the lens.

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Speaker 1: Mate, We'll keep our relationship virtual for the minute. Where

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Speaker 1: are you? By the way? As in what's staked?

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Speaker 2: So Kingsliff which is a little coastal town between Byron

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Speaker 1: How long you been up there?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen seventeen years. Started our first company here called Watersports

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Speaker 2: Guru back then hiring out paddleboards and kayaks and snorkeling

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Speaker 2: growing coastal program this morning, mate, So my little man

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Speaker 1: Of course is. And what a great environment for a

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Speaker 2: So? I grew up in Palm Beach, Gold Coast. So

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Speaker 2: You know, my biggest struggle is I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Look, I think there's always going to be a bit

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Speaker 1: that you ain't the same. But for me, it was

431
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Speaker 1: trying to build a even if it's only three people

432
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: like it is for me right now, I want a

433
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: culture where they love working with me. Not for my

434
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: self esteem, not for my ego, but when they go

435
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 1: to work in inverted commas. They want to go to

436
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: work like they're not biding time with me until something

437
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: good comes, do you know what I mean? And so

438
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 1: I you know, I invest into their lives. I help

439
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: them as much as I can. And it's not a strategy.

440
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: It's just because I care about them both. I want

441
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: them both to succeed. And I think that, you know,

442
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 1: I was quite selfish and self focused and egotistical and

443
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: unaware and all of the things when I was younger, right, insecure,

444
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: only child, morbidly obese, fatis kid at school called Jumbo.

445
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: That was my name all through school. All this shit

446
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 1: that led to all this other emotional, psychological and interpersonal

447
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: and sociological stuff. Right, But one day kind of I

448
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: woke up tim and I was thirty two. I had

449
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: three gyms and two other businesses. I had one hundred

450
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: staff at that stage, they're all making money. I was successful,

451
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: depending on how you you know classify success. I was

452
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: writing for the Herald's Son in Melbourne. I was working

453
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: on radio. I was doing all these cool things. I

454
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: had lots of stuff. And in the middle of all

455
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: of that, I was so fucking miserable. And I realized

456
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: that It's much bigger and more than this. But I

457
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: realized that the more me focused I was, the less

458
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 1: happy I was. And it wasn't that I didn't care

459
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: about anyone, but I was always trying to tick these

460
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: success boxes that I'd heard about, because we grow up

461
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: in a culture that says success is about things. Success

462
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: is about what people see, what people think you your brand,

463
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: your house, your home, your your car, you know, your profile,

464
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: your academic credibility, your face, your body. These are all

465
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: the metrics. And hey, you're making money, you've got lots

466
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: of stuff, you're in good shape, you know, or you

467
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: tick all these boxes. And I would go to bed

468
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: every night and I couldn't sleep because I was stressed

469
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: and anxious and overthinking. And so for me, you know,

470
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: it was just peeling that back and trying to understand

471
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: the me in the middle of all of that, trying to,

472
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: like I think, trying to understand ourself, truly trying to

473
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 1: understand our mind, which is this metacognitive journey of trying

474
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: to understand why do I think the way that I do?

475
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: Where did these blos come from? Did I choose them?

476
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Did I just adopt them unconsciously? Why do I respond

477
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: to Tim this way. Am I intimidated by him? No?

478
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Pun intended, intimidated. You know, it's like just trying to

479
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: understand ourselves and our drivers and the way we are.

480
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: For me, That's why this is called the You Project,

481
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: because I think you the biggest project in your life

482
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: will always be you. That's not say you don't love

483
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: your kids or misses more than you, but in terms

484
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: of managing you, that's a project. Me managing me, that's

485
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: a project.

486
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Speaker 2: Craig. Have you read the book by Bronnie Ware, The

487
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: Five Regrets of the Dying.

488
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Speaker 1: I know of it, I haven't read it.

489
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Speaker 2: So just for the listeners, you know Bronnie Ware, Pali Nurse,

490
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 2: Five Regrets of the Dying. Number one, I wish I

491
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: lived a life true to myself and not the one

492
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: others expected of me. And I think you know what

493
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: you're saying just then would strike a chord in so

494
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: many of our listeners because at the end of the day,

495
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, when we take people out and I guess

496
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: this is what I love to do, and this morning

497
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: I actually did it just before I came on this

498
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: call is a you know, I've got a leader that

499
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm just about to work with. I'll still trying to

500
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: decide whether I did or didn't. And so I took

501
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: him for a walk, you know, walk along the beach,

502
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: just to really get to understand him as an individual,

503
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: not the successes that he's had or the companies that

504
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: he's growing, but just why he does what he does

505
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: right his mission vision. But not at the head level,

506
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: but at the heart level. I think this before I

507
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: go to work with anybody. You know, the first thing

508
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: I do is just go for a walk and talk

509
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: or just sit in nature and just kind of understand

510
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: why they're doing it. And look, some leaders don't actually

511
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: know why they're doing it. They're just doing it for

512
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: the expectations, right to make more money, because you know,

513
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: I have expectations and I need to do this. But

514
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: for the leaders that have kind of finally worked themselves out,

515
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: or even just the individuals where they do start talking

516
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: from their heart space and they do understand what makes

517
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: them tick and why and how. I think this is

518
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: a beautiful starting point because unfortunate, I think Craig life

519
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: has gotten so busy for most of us that we've

520
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: kind of forgotten who we really are. And I think,

521
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, the you project that you're working on. The

522
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: first thing we need to do is actually really understand

523
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: at a deeper level why we actually do things. And

524
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: this is why purpose, I think is so important, because

525
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: you know, the last ten years we've been doing all

526
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: of these sessions and frameworks all over the world, and

527
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: I'd always start with, hey, let's look at sleep and

528
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, nutrition and mindset. But what I realized is

529
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: that if you didn't actually understand the deeper cause and

530
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: root cause of why you wanted to do something, why

531
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: you wanted to be the best version of you, then

532
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: chances are, you know, you're either doing it for the

533
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: wrong reasons or you'll slowly burn out trying to do

534
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 2: what you think is right for you. And so at

535
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: the very core of it, you worked out somewhere in

536
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: your mid thirties who you actually were intrinsically right. So

537
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: instead of the as external validations, you went hang on

538
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: a sec I am worthy, I am enough, and now

539
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: I'm actually going to start living for me, not others.

540
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: Is that is that right?

541
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: It's a bit of that. All the insecurity stuff was

542
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: around me ticking boxes for approval from others, right, And

543
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: it didn't matter how many boxes I ticked. There was

544
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: never enough approval because the problem wasn't validation or approval.

545
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: The problem was me, right and when, because I always

546
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: thought I was not enough. You know, even even now

547
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how many thousands and thousands of presentations

548
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I've done, I still can step up on a stage

549
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: and go or feel you're not good enough. So I

550
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: still have imposter syndrome at sixty one, right, I still

551
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: like I can intellectually know I will, Craig, You're not

552
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: bad at this because you've actually done three gigs with

553
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: this organization. They've paid you to come back because they

554
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: fucking like you, so don't be a dickhead. Right, So

555
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: there's that intellectual understanding that can coexist with my fear,

556
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: which is you're actually shit and the last three times

557
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: you were lucky, so giddy, but a cup, today's you've

558
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: today's your day, you know. So there's learning to be

559
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: able to recognize the origin story of your feelings and

560
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: your drivers and your thoughts and your beliefs and to

561
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: which is so hard to do because the you know,

562
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: the tool which you are analyzing all of this stuff

563
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: with is literally your own mind. So you're trying to

564
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: analyze your mind with your mind.

565
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: Where it's subjective.

566
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: Good luck with that, right, But you know, for me

567
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: it's it's just been that you know, in a way,

568
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: and this sounds a bit cheesy, but for me it's

569
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: very much true. When I have a purpose that's bigger

570
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: than me, I'm a much better person. Doesn't mean that

571
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I'm not sometimes a selfish deck or whatever, right,

572
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: or I'm not because I'm still that sometimes, but I

573
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: really am, Like there's no bigger critic of me than me.

574
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: So when people go, ah, your fuck this or that,

575
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: which I get every now and then I go, yeah, yep,

576
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: I am. I am sometimes I am anyway, So you know,

577
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: but I think it's that being you know, I think

578
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: you are this. I think you're a teacher, and you're

579
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: also a student. And that's me too. I reckon, I'm

580
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: eighty percent student. Well at the moment, I'm literally I'm

581
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: literally a student. But you know, being able to navigate

582
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: the world and life and people and relationships and trying

583
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: to understand that you know who we are beyond who

584
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: we've been told we are. What tell me about for

585
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: you that piece of identity, like where do you get

586
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: your sense of self from yeah.

587
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: Mate, this one. This has shaped a lot of what

588
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: I actually do now. So growing up with a house

589
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 2: full of boys, five different boys, my nickname is Poco.

590
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: So I'm the smallest in my family, even though I

591
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: stand at six foot my little brother's six foot seven.

592
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: You know, a very rough, tumbled household. And I was

593
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: always the meeker, mild one. So I think for me,

594
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: I put a mask on very early in my life,

595
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: probably around thirteen, where I kind of hardened up, didn't

596
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: cry for probably you know, the next decade or so,

597
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: and really tried to be one of the boys. And

598
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: I spent the next well fifteen sixteen years trying to

599
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: probably be tough, be rough and being what I thought

600
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: a man was. And I think for me, you know,

601
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: I took up boxing, I never backed down. I did

602
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: all the things that I thought blokes did. You know.

603
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: I tried different jobs. I was a stockman, I you know,

604
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: I was a security guard. I shaped like, I did

605
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: a million different things trying to be more manly, more blokey.

606
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: I built log cabins in Scotland because I thought that's

607
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: what real men did. And I hid my heart like

608
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: I must admit that a heart for me would only blood,

609
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, only pump blood. And I didn't use it

610
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: to be emotional. I didn't use it to care for others.

611
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't empathetic. And on the outside, you know, I

612
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: was always smiling, I was always happy. But I also

613
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: lost a lot of close relationships because I didn't understand

614
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: the difference between communication and connection. And so it took

615
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: me a very very long time, you know, up until

616
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: my early thirties I'm forty three now, to understand what

617
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: this heart was and what it was useful for. And

618
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: I realized that, mate, it's it is what our life

619
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: is about, right. And I think sometimes that growing up

620
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: the way I did, that we kind of forget that

621
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: if you don't know what you don't know, and you know,

622
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: you come across lots of leaders that you know, we

623
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: had won a couple of weeks ago, you know, he

624
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: was probably in his early sixties, and we're talking about

625
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence and he goes, ah, is this just a

626
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: whole you know, another psychological safety thing, like this whole

627
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: emotional stuff. Is it just going to be here one

628
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: day flashing the pan and gone the next. And I

629
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: remember being pulled aside by one of his team afterwards,

630
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, look, Timmy, I'm you know, I'm

631
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: so sorry for that. We're not all, not all of

632
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: our leaders are that kind of you know, tunnel vision.

633
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: And I said, look, I said, that would have been

634
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: me twelve years ago. And I honestly didn't know the

635
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: importance of him social intelligence. I honestly didn't know the

636
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: importance of connected leadership because unless you've been showing that,

637
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: and unless you've felt it yourself, how are you supposed

638
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: to know? And so I think, for me, mate, this

639
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: whole journey of mine has been a healing journey and

640
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: creating frameworks and tools, probably for my own self, you know,

641
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: I'll probably saved myself a fortune on psychologists and psychiatrists

642
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: and everything else, but also to putting into business isn't

643
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: isn't a great way to save money. So it's an

644
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: interesting journey and I'm always learning, you know, I never

645
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: want to be the teacher. I always want to be

646
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: the one listening more and observing more and learning more,

647
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: because only then can we start to actually give back

648
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: from our own wisdom.

649
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: And your ability to be able to be able to

650
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: build real trust and respect and rapport with people' that's

651
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: your superpower. You can have all the words, you can have,

652
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: all the knowledge in inverted commas, all the psychobabble, all

653
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the research, all the science, But if the people that

654
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: you're speaking with don't trust you, don't believe you, don't

655
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: understand you, then it doesn't matter how great your content

656
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: is or your knowledge is, because how effective you can

657
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: be in your job. And the same with me and

658
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: mine is about my ability to be able to create real,

659
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: meaningful trust, respect, connection rapport with humans. You know, I

660
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: told you before we went live that I did a

661
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: thing the other day, and I apologize to the listeners.

662
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: I've banged on about this a bit, but we just

663
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: had one. So I spoke all day and there was

664
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: lots of information, lots of laughs, really good. It was

665
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: a great day, right, Like I said to you before

666
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: the show, it was like going to Visiting nine eighty five.

667
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: And they laughed at that because they love that, right,

668
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's so my It's like my happy place,

669
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: right So Miiljira, I could be moving up there pretty

670
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: soon because I fucking loved it. But anyway, the most

671
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: powerful thing for the whole day was one of the

672
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: bosses got up one of the directors, has two directors,

673
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Joe and Robert. And Joe got up to say a

674
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: few things. We're wrapping up for lunch and we pushed

675
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: a few buttons in the morning. Right, there's a bit,

676
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bit of frivolity and fun and

677
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: let's laugh and let's take the piss out of each

678
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: other if that's appropriate, and let's be a bit silly.

679
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: But what about this? And what about this? And okay,

680
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: all good, but you know, what about this? And so

681
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: he got up to kind of say thanks, Craig and

682
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: you know this bit, and then he got a bit emotional. Right,

683
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: So here's the boss up in front of the whole group.

684
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: He's shedding a tear or two. I'm hugging him. So

685
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: here's two blucks blokes up the front in a full

686
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: fucking man hug not getting a ship, do you know

687
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: what I mean? But this is this is a little bit. Yeah,

688
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, this is a corporate day. And it's like,

689
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: I reckon ten people said to me, Yeah, I love

690
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: the day, but I love that that was great and

691
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: it's like, so it's not about the it's not about

692
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Craig's brain or the high level research or you know,

693
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: the data or what you know. All that's good, but

694
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, guess what love, kindness, connection, empty awareness, understanding.

695
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, when people feel like you actually give a

696
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: fuck about them, and by the way, by the way

697
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: you actually do, you're not role playing, then a different

698
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: kind of door opens, right, and it gives you like

699
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: it's a privilege to be able to connect with people

700
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: in that way on that level.

701
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: So why are we so worried about feeling then, Craig,

702
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: Because I think you know you're right. You and I

703
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: seem to have a very similar facilitation style where it's

704
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: head and hard, right, But at the end of the day,

705
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: we want people to, you know, know how they made

706
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: them feel, because I think for me, you know, feelings

707
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: wasn't a thing that I understood until ten years ago.

708
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: But now all I want to do is make people

709
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: feel good. You know, they might remember a little bit

710
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: of what you say. But I love when people me

711
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: in because Tommy, I just want you to work with

712
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 2: our team because you may feel good, right, But yet

713
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to corporate world, mate, it's like they

714
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: don't want us to make them feel yet they do

715
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: right on the top level, at the you know, the

716
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: US level, it's like, look, no, you know, we've just

717
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 2: got to make sure that we stick to the lines.

718
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: You know, don't stray, don't don't get to people too emotional,

719
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: don't do this, don't do that. But then at the

720
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: eye level, right, they love it and they will pull

721
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: you aside at the end of it and go geez, mate,

722
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: I really needed that, you know, I really needed to

723
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: actually get deep into my heart space and understand who

724
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: I was for a moment, because I kind of lost

725
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: myself there. And but yet we still make for some reason,

726
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: at this corporate level, are so shit scared of feelings

727
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: that we kind of almost try and you know, create

728
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: governance around not feeling anymore. And I understand because we

729
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: know we need it right and it doesn't matter who

730
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: you are. Like I was saying before, we just you know,

731
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: employed a special Forces to come and work for us

732
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: to sort of roll out our frontline programs. And yet mate,

733
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: it's it's amazing how much he loves to feel and

734
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: the emotion and what he's trying to make others feel,

735
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: and yet we're still constantly trying to erase it. Out

736
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: of our culture, and I just I really don't understand it.

737
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great question and a great point. You know,

738
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: for me, I think feelings are much more powerful drivers

739
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: of behavior than knowledge, like knowledge cool. But there are

740
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people who know a lot of shit

741
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: who don't do anything with it because they're not inspired,

742
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: they don't feel it, or their priority is comfort, not transformation.

743
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, they talk about transformation, but they don't want

744
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: to do the work. And so you know, we're we

745
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: are apart from the odd sociopath. But you know, nearly

746
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: all of us are emotional. And that doesn't mean we're

747
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: crying every day. That just means we are driven by

748
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: feelings and emotions and things that arouse passion and curiosity.

749
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: And and I think one of the things I do

750
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: is probably like yourself. I work with some pretty high

751
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: level people who make lots of dough, more dough than

752
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: I do, and lots to do, and we kind of

753
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: go we talk about what is success, what is high performance?

754
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: All that stuff, right, and then we go, okay, so

755
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: let me ask you a theoretical question. So you're earning

756
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: a million bucks a year've got a beautiful house, looking

757
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: at the beach, got a great car, you've even got

758
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: a great wife and two point three children and a

759
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: golden retriever and everyone thinks you're ace and you're also

760
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: in good shape. And does any of that guarantee happiness?

761
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: And the answer is no. The answer is it doesn't

762
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: guarantee happiness, and maybe it makes it more likely, maybe not.

763
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: But in our culture we h hold up all of

764
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: these things. This part of my two world theory, right,

765
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: my two world theory in a nutshelle, is we do

766
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: life in the external world situation, circumstance, environment, jobs, other people, interactions,

767
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: So that's where life happens. But where living happens is

768
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: in the internal world of thoughts and feelings and excitement

769
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: and joy and desperation and depression and anxiety and you know,

770
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: and goals and intentions and plans and dreams like all that.

771
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: But we are very, very externally focused, like we are

772
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: so fucking worried about what everyone thinks of our stuff

773
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: and what we've done and what we're doing, and what

774
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: we look like and what we're wearing. Even for me,

775
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I have to be really careful doing you know, what

776
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: I'm doing with my research, because you go, oh, having

777
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: a PhDs. Let's really look at me, you know, and

778
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't fucking mean anything. Really, It's nice,

779
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: well done maybe if I get there. But so what,

780
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: you can be one you can you can have ten

781
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: PhDs and be a complete dickhead. By the way, you

782
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: can also be a pain in now as to be around.

783
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: You can also be you know, somebody who is simultaneously

784
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: intellectually brilliant and also medicative for anxiety and depression. So

785
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, we try to resolve internal stuff with external solutions,

786
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: and it's a very common part of the human experience,

787
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: I think.

788
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: And has this always been the case?

789
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: Do you think, Craig No, I don't think so. I

790
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: think we've moved. Look, I'm sure there was always you know,

791
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: hedonism and the drive for instant gratification and the look

792
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: at me, you know, think right, I think that's always existed.

793
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: I think the volume has been turned up without trying

794
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: to sound like an old man, but with because we

795
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: have instant access to public audiences. So you know, like

796
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: on my social media I've got over one hundred thousand

797
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: people who follow me. I could take a picture of

798
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: my breakfast, which I wouldn't go. Look what I'm eating

799
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: and everyone goes, oh, you're amazing, look at what you're eating.

800
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: I get instant validation and approval, a bit of dopamine,

801
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, I get a bit of a fat head,

802
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: and I get this this reward, this kind of biochemical

803
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: reward for showing people how fucking amazing I am. Then

804
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: I've got to come back in an hour for another hit.

805
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: And then but what I'm interested in is why am

806
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: I doing that? What is that actually about? You know?

807
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think this is you know, for me,

808
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 2: this is my purpose and probably will be my life

809
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: work because you know, currently we're measuring austraight as well

810
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: being right, and we've been doing it for seven years.

811
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: I know that the average Australian battery is sixty four percent.

812
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: I know what we're struggling with. And I think for me,

813
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: it's how do we change it right? How do we

814
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: take a society that's just functioning and allow them to

815
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: actually thrive? And for me, mate, it's it's it's hard

816
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: because we work with schools, we work with organizations, we

817
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: work with shy councils. So we have a really good

818
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: blueprint across you know, so many psychographics and demographics, and

819
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: yet the one question keeps coming back for me and

820
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: my team, it's how do we change it? How do

821
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: we change this loneliness epidemic? How do we change the

822
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: obesity epidemic? How do we change this? How do we

823
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: change that? And it's and it's hard because I actually

824
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: think that we are at this tipping point where now

825
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: that we have AI, that we're kind of creeping into

826
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: this point of no return in terms of you know,

827
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: we're living in four walls, we're spectating on screens, you know,

828
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: less time outdoors and maximum security prisoners forty three hours

829
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: of our week on screens outside of work. So we've

830
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: reached this point where external validation is just it's normal now, right, Craig, Like,

831
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: it's just become the norm. Functioning has just become the norm.

832
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: And our goal is to improve the well being of austraints.

833
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: That's my goal to get it from sixty four percent

834
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: to seventy five percent. But I tell you what, mate,

835
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: with the board that we have the neuroscientists, a psychologists,

836
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like we have a really heavy board, is

837
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: still the fact that behavioral psychology, how the hell do

838
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: you get people to stop being so externally validated and

839
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: do things for the self that's intrinsic and lives with

840
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: integrity and the values of their own heart. And Mate,

841
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: it's a struggle. And I don't know what we're going

842
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: to have to do at a societal level, because it's

843
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: not just an individual level. It has to be a

844
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: cultural change, societal change. That's what I believe anyway. And Mate,

845
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: you're you know, obviously you might have an understanding of

846
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: all of this and what we can do, but I'm

847
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: really struggling with it at the moment. Have you got

848
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: any thoughts.

849
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: On all of this? Oh, such a big question. That's

850
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: another podcast, isn't it. But so here's what I think,

851
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: you and me. We can't in inverted commas make anyone ready,

852
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, I can, like I can talk to an

853
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: audience and one person gets blown away. They so resonate,

854
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: they so connect, light bulbs go on, you know, they're inspired,

855
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: they're motivated, and that person leaves the event that I

856
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: spoke at. I bump into the me a year later

857
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: and they say, in the last twelve months, I have reformed,

858
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: of renovated, of revolution. I'm different, my life's different way,

859
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fucking go you, and they go.

860
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: With you, you.

861
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Are amazing, and I go, no, I am not. I

862
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: am just a shitkicker from Latro Valley. I go, you're

863
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: amazing because you did the work. Now, let me tell you,

864
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: if there was two hundred people in that room on

865
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: that day twelve months ago, with some level of accuracy,

866
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: I could predict that probably one hundred and ninety five

867
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: did fuck all off the back of that. Right Now,

868
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: what you know doesn't matter nearly as much as what

869
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: you do with what you know, So your ability to

870
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: be able to operationalize knowledge or inspiration or awareness or

871
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Right. But the problem is, or one

872
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: of the many problems, is that we love instant gratification.

873
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: We love painless, we love certainty, we love familiarity, we

874
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: love reward without work. Now, it isn't how it happens

875
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: like for you to be able to learn and grow

876
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: on and evolve and become more calm, more joyful, more creative, physically, mentally, emotionally,

877
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: socially healthier. These things don't happen in a week. But

878
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: what does happen almost instantly is if I have a beer,

879
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: I feel fucking great. I have two, I feel twice

880
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: is great for it. Chocolate fuck yeah, if I watch porn.

881
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah right, We're all about pressing the dopamine button so

882
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: that ability, ability and willingness to be able to delay

883
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: gratification for sometimes fucking months. You know, so many It's like,

884
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: this is a silly example, but I think someone can

885
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: check it's I might be a bit wrong, but it's

886
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: not far away. The average Australian or the average podcast

887
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: lasts seven to nine episodes. So people go, I did

888
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: a Yeah, I did a podcast. It didn't work. You know.

889
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: It's like that, are the market saturated or this or yeah,

890
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: people just didn't appreciate what I was talking about all

891
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: this stuff, right, I'm like, yeah, so I've done nearly

892
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and the first six hundred episodes I lost money.

893
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Six hundred episodes I lost money. Well, the first six

894
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: hundred episodes probably cost me one hundred grand, and at

895
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: about six hundred I partnered with no Over Entertainment down

896
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: here in Melbourne, and we're now aligned. I'm on the

897
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: platform they find me, you know, brands and marketing and

898
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: branding and sponsorship opportunities they come to me with, you know,

899
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: and so it's a commercial entity now. But and I'm

900
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: not saying I'm great. I'm definitely not great, but I'm

901
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: really good at fucking finishing things. Like not the most talented,

902
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: not the most gifted, not the most creative, not the smartest,

903
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: not the best genetics, But yeah, how long can you

904
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: just keep fucking working and doing the thing. But the

905
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: challenge is that people want reward like much quicker than

906
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: generally it's going to come.

907
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: So you said something before, Craig that I've kind of

908
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: been working at the same time. So what sits between

909
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 2: your potential right is the ability and the willingness. So

910
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: the willingness is that reason why we want to do something,

911
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: Why do you want to do two thousand episodes? Why

912
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: do you want to get a PhD? And then the

913
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: ability is the energy right to actually do it. So

914
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: you kind of need both. You need the why and

915
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: you need the energy to do it. And I think

916
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: maybe that's something we're kind of missing in the terms

917
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: that we don't really talk about that too often. What's

918
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: your ability, what's your willingness? And how do you actually

919
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: measure it? And I think obviously, you know, it's hard

920
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: to teach old dogs new tricks. Although mate, you're you know,

921
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: you can actually push against that one. But I think

922
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: that's something that we're not investigating enough because, like you said,

923
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: instant gratification feels amazing. But five years from now, ten

924
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: years from now, twenty years from now, where do we

925
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: end up? So, how do we integrate that willingness and ability? Right,

926
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: if we want to reach that potential, how do we

927
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: integrate that into our conversations that into a society will

928
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: change because without that, we're never going to change, right,

929
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: We're just going to keep going deeper and deeper down

930
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole.

931
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good question. I feel like I'm being interviewed now. Good,

932
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: it's good. No, these are great questions. A couple things.

933
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: So what I will say to a group quite often

934
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: is what are the things that matter to you most?

935
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: We call those your values, So don't overthink it. And

936
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: if what matters to you most is money, we'll say money. Like,

937
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: don't tell me what you think sounds good. Tell me

938
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: in the context of your life, your existence on this

939
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: planet for eighty or ninety years, and your day to

940
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: day experience, who you are, how you are, who you

941
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: want to be. Tell me what is really important to

942
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you and Invariably people come up with, you know, physical health, family, love, connection,

943
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: all of these, and then I say, now, let's be

944
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: brave without any self loathing. Is your life a reflection

945
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: of those things? Is your current Is your current operating

946
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: system a reflection of that? If I stood back and

947
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you, but I just watched you

948
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: for a week. As creepy as that sounds, but let's

949
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: say I could observe you a week in your life,

950
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: would I walk away without even asking you? Would I

951
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: know what matters to you most? The answer is probably yes,

952
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: and it might not have anything to do with what

953
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: you say your values are. Now, that's not an exercise

954
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: in self loathing, that's an exercise in self awareness. So

955
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: I think what we need to do is start with

956
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: that and say, you know, not this week, not this month,

957
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: not even this year, but in the big picture of

958
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: your eighty ninety hundred year journey on the big blue

959
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: spinning ball, what the fuck matters right to you? Really? Really?

960
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: And then once we can get clear about what genuinely

961
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: are our values, then we recognize that like we'd be

962
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: brave and we say, well, I'm forty and I still

963
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: haven't done it. So what's holding me back? You know?

964
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: And it might be. Look, I get motivated, then I

965
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: get demotivated. I get inspired, then I get uninspired, and

966
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: shit happens and life's messy, and da da da, and

967
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: I go, well, guess what. Life's always going to be messy.

968
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Shit is always going to happen. You are always going

969
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: to lose motivation. People are always going to be pricks

970
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to you. Some people will love you, some people won't.

971
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: That's okay. Life doesn't give a fuck about your feelings

972
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: or your outcomes or your cape. Life doesn't care, right,

973
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: the only person that can create the life you want

974
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: is you. So once we get clear, like there's a

975
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: big gap between knowing what you want to be a

976
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: non negotiable operating system or a non negotiable behavior and

977
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: that point and then having turned that into a subconscious,

978
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: hardwired into your brain habit, whereas this is just what

979
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: I do. So, for example, I don't smoke, I don't drink.

980
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: I've never been drunk, I've never been high. I've never

981
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes ever. Craig no, no. So when people say

982
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: to me, oh, you're so disciplined and you're so I go,

983
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: I promise you I'm not. I just don't drink, smoke,

984
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: or do drugs ever. And so now that's not because

985
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm more resilient or I'm mentally tougher, or it's none

986
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: of that. It's literally this is hardwired in my brain.

987
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: So it requires zero self control or discipline for me

988
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: to be able to not drink, not smoke, not use drugs. Right,

989
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: it would actually be harder for me to use something

990
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: than not use. Then you go, okay, so what else

991
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: needs to be something that's just part of your normal

992
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: operating system. Maybe it's that you walk ten thousand steps

993
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: a day. Maybe it's that you spend one hour minimum

994
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: per day with your kids, not with a phone, not

995
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: with a telling whatever it is. Right now, the space

996
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: between having this insight into what you want to turn

997
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: into a normal part of your daily operating system, that's

998
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: the tricky bit, because we lose motivation and we lose excitement,

999
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: and we lose momentum. So that's where we need structure,

1000
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: process accountability. I go, cool, what's your plan? I go,

1001
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: because what you're talking to me about, that's an idea,

1002
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: that's an intention, that's an aspiration. Right, there's no fucking

1003
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: plan in that so create the plan, execute the plan,

1004
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: create an accountability process, get an accountability partner, because it

1005
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: could be three days from now you're like our fuck it,

1006
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: and it's your ability to be able to get through

1007
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: those fucket moments that quite often makes the difference.

1008
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: So it was interesting when you were talking about stalking

1009
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: someone for a week and you know, knowing what they value.

1010
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: And I was thinking the other day about you know,

1011
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: I was looking at a leader's schedule, right, because we

1012
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: looked at you know, what do you value if family

1013
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: was number one? And I said, look, shade in how

1014
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: much do you feel you're actually living that value? I

1015
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: think they shaded it up to forty percent. Right. So

1016
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: then we said, okay, well let's let's look at a

1017
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: typical week. His week had so little time for reconnecting

1018
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: to his loved ones, right that you could typically see

1019
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: what he valued most or what he was putting first. Right, Yes,

1020
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking, and this has been interesting for

1021
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: me this last couple of weeks. You know, we were

1022
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 2: doing this whole book launch thing. We're measured, you know,

1023
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: we're trying to get on TV to measure astraight as

1024
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 2: well being live in sixty seconds and Mate, I'm typically really,

1025
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: really good at creating a life that supports me by

1026
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: really blocking out the calendar, making sure I've got plenty

1027
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: of time for my family, for my kids, for friends,

1028
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: because I know that's what I need to thrive sustainably.

1029
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: But yet, Mate, the last two weeks has been interesting

1030
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: because there has been a lot of things that we're

1031
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 2: trying to take advantage of, right because you write a book,

1032
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: you're trying to do all that sort of stuff. But

1033
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: this morning, Mate, I really I kicked myself up the yars,

1034
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: and I felt fucking terrible because you know, I had

1035
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: lots of different things going on all before six am,

1036
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: and I walk in the door to the house and

1037
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: my wife's there, my two kids, Sonny and Frankie four

1038
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 2: and two, and Mate, I would typically just I would

1039
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 2: forget everything right, I would drop everything. The brain would

1040
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: just go free and my heart space would open up

1041
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: and I would just spend the next thirty minutes, Mate,

1042
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: just love and joy, right, lots of hugs, lots of kisses,

1043
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: playing leopards with my four year old, playing barbies with

1044
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: my two year old, whatever it is. And yet right

1045
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: now I find that I'm busy, and I don't like

1046
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: being busy. And what's happening is that business is creeping

1047
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: into my personal life space and I can feel the

1048
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 2: disconnection that happened this morning with my wife, with my kids,

1049
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, I just got to go for

1050
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: a walk, babe. So I took the labrador, like you said,

1051
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, two and a half, two point three kids, labrador,

1052
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: all the things. Took the labrador. I went for a walk.

1053
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: And I reflected on I really don't like this feeling.

1054
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't like this feeling of being so busy that

1055
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm becoming disconnected from the people that I'm doing all

1056
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: this for. And I think maybe the moments that we

1057
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: are doing this and we don't take time to reflect

1058
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 2: that we stay in the business, this is where that

1059
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: disconnection creeps in. And so what I did, Mate is

1060
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: I had, you know, I had a busy end of

1061
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: week and I thought, no, fuck it, I'm just going

1062
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: to cancel everything. And I've literally booked three days away

1063
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: to go camping at Mini Waters, just my family and

1064
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: I just getting back to being grounded. And I was like,

1065
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: I just I need that's this is what we need

1066
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 2: for me, for my family. But the thing is when

1067
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 2: if you're financially constrained, right, if you're living beyond your means,

1068
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 2: it's very hard to do that. Now I'm lucky because

1069
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: you know, I had a mentor of mind that always said,

1070
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: timmy live well within your means. And so I buy

1071
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: a house that I can easily afford. I bought a

1072
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: car that I can easily afford. So when COVID happens

1073
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: or shit happens, it's okay, you know, I've covered my ass.

1074
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: But if you go beyond that, if you actually you know,

1075
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: push the limits of that, you don't have that time

1076
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: to actually just cancel and actually reconnect, right, because you're

1077
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: so busy trying to pay everything back. And I think

1078
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: this is this might be part of the problem, Craig,

1079
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: is that we've kind of put ourselves in this position

1080
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: where we've actually bought things and not time, and so

1081
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: now we don't actually have the time to reconnect to

1082
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: the things that we really need to which we value.

1083
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: And so therefore we say these things that what we value,

1084
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 2: but our actions don't actually imply that we do.

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, oneberent agree, and that is Look, I mean, what

1086
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: is great about what you just said? Well, many things,

1087
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: but one is so you had a moment of self awareness.

1088
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: That's good, Like that's what good people do. It's like

1089
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I'm living a bit out of alignment

1090
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: or I'm not walking my own talk, and that's cool.

1091
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beat myself up. There's no self loathing,

1092
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: but there's awareness in that. And so what will I do?

1093
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: And so you having three days away? You know, and

1094
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: you like, you're a smart guy. You're knowledgeable your experience,

1095
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: you're charismatic, you know how to do all the shit.

1096
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: But you're still a fuck up. You're still he's still

1097
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: just a You're still just another bear bum in the shower.

1098
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: As one of my mates who is in prison, he

1099
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: always goes, you're just another bear bum in the shower.

1100
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: You know, It's just that's what he says. You're just

1101
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: a fucking human. Like he's he makes me look like

1102
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm polished and sophisticated. Shout out to shout out to Mike.

1103
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: All but I'll be careful of bumps to the wall.

1104
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: We mix on the troll, well not so much. That

1105
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: just just like as hard as a cat's head. And

1106
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, but he has his own wisdom and philosophy

1107
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, well, you doesn't matter what your

1108
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: earn own drive look like. You just a fu and human.

1109
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: Don't get ahead of yourself. You're not better or worse,

1110
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: you know? And I think that, yeah, that that you know,

1111
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: that willingness to be able to go okay, and that

1112
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence to be able to recognize what you're doing

1113
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: and what you're not doing and then adjust in real time.

1114
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: It's bloody amazing. Hey mate, we're going to wind up,

1115
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: but tell us about your book. It's called Energized, Energized, Energized, Energized, energized,

1116
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: that's what it says.

1117
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: It's a lot of bloody title, like.

1118
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Fuck, not that original. You just said, Hey, let's use

1119
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: the same word five times.

1120
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Speaker 2: That was bloenty wily, so you can have them for it.

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00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: That's all right. So the book is called Energized Science

1122
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: Bake science based book forms part of the Great Reconnect

1123
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: campaign checking the emotional and cultural pulse of Australian real time.

1124
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: I love that book. Release the lines with national wellness

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00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: moments including are you Okay? And it came out when

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Speaker 1: August twenty seven? Is that a few days a few

1127
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: days ago?

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Speaker 2: Ago? Mate? Yeah, I saw it. I saw it in

1129
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: one of the airport bookstores, made as I was strolling through,

1130
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: So that was a nice proud moment, mate. I don't

1131
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: take many moments to be proud, but I think this

1132
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: book is one of those life proud moments. It's took

1133
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: me eight years to write the bloody thing between COVID

1134
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: two kids, but look, it's it's practical, mate, I'm a

1135
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: practical guy, and it's simple things and it's you know,

1136
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: it's been part of my journey, but part of the

1137
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: journey that we've created to help others and yeah, hopefully

1138
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: make people get inspiration from reading and hopefully it helps

1139
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: them want to be a better version of themselves. And

1140
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: that's all you can hope for, right.

1141
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: And done, well done, mate. Writing a book is not easy.

1142
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: Getting it published is not easy understanding like, is this

1143
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: your first book?

1144
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: It is? Mate, Yes?

1145
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so isn't it funny what you know now about

1146
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: about production and distribution and publishing and margins and fucking

1147
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, It's like I've written a few and yeah

1148
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: at the start, you're like, I'm just going to write

1149
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 1: a book and then get it published. It's like, Bah,

1150
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: you're not, You're not, You're not just going to do that.

1151
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: I probably would have just left it sitting on a

1152
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: dusty shelf as it was made and not published, the

1153
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: bloody thing if I knew much work was involved in it.

1154
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: But look, it's a book out there now, mate, that

1155
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: hopefully will move the needle. So let's let's see what

1156
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: it can do.

1157
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, Mate, you're great, You're doing great things. I appreciate you.

1158
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: You're charismatic, and you're a great communicator and you give

1159
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: a fuck, which is beautiful. Tim Jack Adams Energized is

1160
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: the name of the book. Go buy seventy two copies.

1161
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: What's the founder of greenex seven of course, So mate,

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01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Thanks for having a chat.

1163
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: Thanks for that amazing conversation, mate, I learned a lot,

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Speaker 2: Thanks buddy,