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Speaker 1: Hey, the Healthyish listeners, thank you for tuning into the

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Speaker 1: daily podcast from Body and Soul. I am Felicity Harley.

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Speaker 1: Are you feeling deep cellular exhaustion or perhaps you just

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Speaker 1: want to get off that damn treadmill. Oh it's a cliche,

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Speaker 1: but it's true, isn't it. Well. My guest today is

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Speaker 1: doctor Philippa Bellette. She's a PhD scholar, nutritionist, functional medicine practitioner,

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Speaker 1: and author of a new book called End Body Burnout,

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Speaker 1: and today she's going to discuss the importance of addressing

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Speaker 1: both the imbalances in your body systems and also the

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Speaker 1: deeper causes of burnout that are probably in your mind.

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Speaker 1: If you do like what you hear from Philippa, and

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Speaker 1: I know you will. It's a great chat listening to

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Speaker 1: Extra Healthy Issue where she discusses her four step approach

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Speaker 1: to healing. You can grab that wherever you get your podcasts. Philippa,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us on the podcast today. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're feeling well, refreshed and not exhausted.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing really well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know your book is going to well ring true

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Speaker 1: for so many of our listeners. I mean, exhaustion is

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Speaker 1: just the norm. You've worked with more than two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five hundred so called burnt out clients.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot talk to us about this. What do

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Speaker 4: you hear? What do you see?

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Speaker 3: Something I do here A lot is exhaustion is the

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Speaker 3: norm you have? That you said that really specifically, and

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Speaker 3: it's so correct. And it's also a story that a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who end up working with us or

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Speaker 3: end up in our circle, that they've got that message

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Speaker 3: from like a GP as well, especially when they're running

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Speaker 3: tests and they're like, oh, oh, your markers or your

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Speaker 3: blood tests are fine, but you don't feel fine, So

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Speaker 3: what's going on?

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Speaker 4: That's what the patient is thinking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But then often people are just sold the story

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Speaker 3: of oh, you're a mom, or you're a business owner,

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Speaker 3: or like, everyone's busy and stressed out these days, so

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Speaker 3: it's just really normal to feel the way that you are.

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Speaker 3: So that's definitely one theme that I see. Another theme

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Speaker 3: is that people who get stuck in a busy pattern

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Speaker 3: often have underlying other patterns going on. So perfectionism, people

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Speaker 3: pleasing all on thing, thinking over responsibility for others, and

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Speaker 3: also a need to control, and that is a huge

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Speaker 3: theme that people aren't quite really seeing on the surface

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Speaker 3: level when they're feeling exhausted, and that really steeps back

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Speaker 3: into the childhood patterns or beliefs that you created when

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Speaker 3: you're a little kid, and those beliefs then drive these

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Speaker 3: busy perfectionism people pleasing patterns as a way to try

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Speaker 3: and really run away from the greatest fear that you

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Speaker 3: have about yourself.

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Speaker 4: It's so true, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like, oh, look, me included and many

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Speaker 1: of our listeners and my friends and colleagues, and you're

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Speaker 1: just you're on I mean, it's such a cliche, but

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Speaker 1: you're on that treadmill. And someone actually I had Kate

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Speaker 1: Lambrook on here a couple of years ago, and she

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Speaker 1: described it as deep celliar exhaustion. And I just feel

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Speaker 1: like that sums it up. But you just keep going,

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Speaker 1: You just keep on going. So how do you know?

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Speaker 1: What I want to know is, how do you know

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Speaker 1: if you're on that treadmill, if you actually exhausted, if

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Speaker 1: you burn out before you start addressing those other issues

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Speaker 1: of perfectionism, control, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, some common symptoms that we see in burnout

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Speaker 3: clients or energy mood gut.

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Speaker 2: And gut issues.

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Speaker 3: We also use the word body burnout, so not just burnout.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people think about burnout that they've been

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Speaker 3: working too much and you know, their brain is kind

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Speaker 3: of cooked, so mood issues can definitely show up, and

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Speaker 3: that might look like irritability, snappiness, your inability to respond

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Speaker 3: to stresses like you used to. But on the other

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Speaker 3: spectrum too, maybe people are now dropping down into deep

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Speaker 3: depression PTSD. And then energy issues, so if someone's noticing

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Speaker 3: that their energy levels are dropping, whether they're struggling to

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Speaker 3: wake up in the morning or doing the three pm

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Speaker 3: slump kind of like early science, and then later signs

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Speaker 3: that I am so exhausted, I am chronically fatigued. And

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Speaker 3: energy issues could also show up as sleep issues, so insomnia,

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Speaker 3: brain fog, low motivation, So they're kind of like the

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Speaker 2: And then the third one that not many people.

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Speaker 3: Think about in relation to burnout is gut issues. So

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Speaker 3: when you've been running busy burnout patterns for a really

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Speaker 3: long time, you get stuck in fight flight and basically

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Speaker 3: that switches off your gut and then that can show

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Speaker 3: up as bloating, reflux, constipation, diarrhea, food sensitivities and other

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Speaker 3: inflammatory type issues that often stem from the gut, like

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Speaker 3: skin issues, auto immunity, even chronic pain.

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Speaker 4: I feel like so many of us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know all the symptoms you've talked about,

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Speaker 1: there are so many that I mean, we're all putting

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Speaker 1: your hands up. Yes, that's me, that's me, that's me.

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Speaker 1: We are just one stressed out society in so many ways.

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Speaker 1: So to us about your four step method of healing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool.

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Speaker 3: So you can't have symptoms without there being some sort

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Speaker 3: of physical imbalance. So we always first look at body systems.

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Speaker 3: And this is really great too. If you have gone

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Speaker 3: to the GP or specialist and you're feeling really crappy,

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Speaker 3: but all the results are showing up as fine, there

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Speaker 3: are there must be. There has to be physical imbalances

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Speaker 3: happening inside the body systems, and so first step is

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Speaker 3: getting clear on those body systems.

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Speaker 2: We're a functional medicine practice.

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Speaker 3: So we use different types of lab testing that look

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Speaker 3: at gut health and adrenal stress hormones and your detox

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Speaker 3: pathways and heavy metals and nutritional deficiencies. When you can

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Speaker 3: uncover that, then it's like okay, cool, Now we can

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Speaker 3: start resetting, rebalancing the physical part of the body so

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Speaker 3: that you can start feeling well, and then the other

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Speaker 3: steps are really diving deeper into the root causes. So

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Speaker 3: step number two is heal thy mind, and that's what

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Speaker 3: I would call the deepest root cause of body burnout.

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Speaker 3: So that's where we're circling back to perfectionism patterns, people

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Speaker 3: pleasing overdoing.

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Speaker 2: Where did those patterns actually come from?

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Speaker 3: Because you could take a bucket load of supplements based

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Speaker 3: on lab testing, but if you're not addressing that deeper root,

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Speaker 3: then you will only get short term relief, if at all.

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Speaker 3: So that's really important to kind of like go deeper

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Speaker 3: into the unconscious mind nervous system to look at how

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Speaker 3: you're wired, how you're programmed, and any blockages or baggage

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Speaker 3: stuck in your system that is causing those patterns in.

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Speaker 2: The first place. Step number three is then heal my body.

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Speaker 3: So once you have started to reprogram that deeper part

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Speaker 3: of yourself, it's actually now safe to be able to

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Speaker 3: heal because a lot of people get stuck in burnout

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Speaker 3: and chronic health.

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Speaker 2: Safety to be well because the health issues are.

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Speaker 3: Hiding deeper unconscious core wounds within themselves. So when you

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Speaker 3: can start clearing that, now you can start getting strategic

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Speaker 3: and start supporting your boy with different lifestyle changes, different

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Speaker 3: lab based supplements, sleep. Everyone knows that the things that

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Speaker 3: we should be doing, so we do whole foods, movement,

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Speaker 3: all those really important things. And then the fourth step

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Speaker 3: is looking out towards your environment. So you could be

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Speaker 3: doing all the lovely things inside your body, but if

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Speaker 3: you're living in a really toxic environment, and that might

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Speaker 3: look like chemical toxic, so things like toxic skin care.

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Speaker 2: Products, cleaning products.

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Speaker 3: Even mold. But also if you're living or have relationships

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Speaker 3: with toxic people or toxic workplaces, that's going to affect.

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Speaker 2: Your ability to be able to heal as well.

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Speaker 1: So if someone's listening to this and can identify with

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Speaker 1: all the symptoms of burnout, is your recommendation. The first

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Speaker 1: step getting tests done, going to your doctor apart from

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Speaker 1: buying your book.

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Speaker 3: That is, look, if someone's really not doing well, I

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Speaker 3: would go to the GP first and foremost, because you

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Speaker 3: want to you want to screen out to make sure

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Speaker 3: you don't have something like cancer or you know, a

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Speaker 3: tumor or something grow inside your body, something that could

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Speaker 3: be really detrimental. If that's all fine, then.

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Speaker 4: I would be so.

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Speaker 3: In our functional medicine practice, we use lab testing that

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Speaker 3: goes beyond just GP tests, and it's a nice, good

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Speaker 3: first step because people actually really like to have that

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Speaker 3: data to validate how they're feeling. It's like, it's not

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Speaker 3: just all in my head. I'm not just a hypochondriac.

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Speaker 3: There are actually real things happening inside my body. And

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Speaker 3: then as you can start supporting those body systems therapeutically,

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Speaker 3: that also helps people to start feeling a bit bitter

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Speaker 3: mood wise, and motivation and energy to then be able

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Speaker 3: to do the root cause work and you know, the

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Speaker 3: lifestyle changes that are going to help them to heal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great advice, Philippa, thank you for coming on Healthy

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Speaker 1: each Thank you two and a half thousand Burnout guests.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, and no doubt there is many more

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Speaker 1: than that who are listening to these podcasts like you.

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Speaker 1: If you do want more from Philippart, her new book

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Speaker 1: is called Ending Body Burnout and it is out now.

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