WEBVTT - This is Alice Springs: Children of the Intervention 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.520 This town is a sad story, especially for black fellows, 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.040 I guess for no Indigenus people. It's a beautiful town. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.320 Not in the landscape it's beautiful, but for us to 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.560 live here as a local, it's a sad story. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.680 This is Uncle Brian. He's an arunder man. This is 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:22.680 his land, this is his town. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.600 Well, we want to shoulders allis Springs in a different way, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.040 in a black fellow way, not just white fellow way. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.920 White fellow way. You call Alice Springs Alice. You know 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.360 who's Alice. We don't know Alice. It's called umband. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:41.159 We're sitting in a park. It's at the base of 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.000 one of those age old Rockier scarments that surround this town. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.280 It's mid afternoon. Meet his Way as a children's play area, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:54.720 Empty swings, empty slides. With us is Damien, another arunder man. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:01:01.480 Goodness with him is his son by, tall and slender, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.000 eighteen years of age, dressed in a Nike hoodie too 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.360 much for a Southerner and a warm Central Australian day, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.000 but suitable for a local. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.440 Does my son bison bison the gae? 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.800 Yeah, it's a bit warmer up here than it is 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:17.640 in Albourne. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.840 Tell me about together. Uncle Brian, Damien, and Bison represent 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.640 three generations of arunder men. Damien is in his thirties, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.760 looks like he's just jumped off the back of a steed. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.560 He's wearing a check shirt with the sleeves removed, jeans 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:37.520 and boots, boots covered in dust, red dust. The town 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.280 we're in now, the one his son Bison grew up in, 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:42.959 has changed a lot since Damien was a kid. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:47.920 Well, growing up here. From a young person, there's a 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.560 good little town. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:49.880 Yeah, I loved it. 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.240 I still love it today, but I think some of 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.040 them the sweet part of Alice is no longer here. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.960 I think it's going a bit sour, to be honest. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.000 What's it like living in Alice Springs? Pretty nice? 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.080 It looks good now, but night time it looks to 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.160 him good like trenches. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.880 Some vibes, you know. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.080 So he thinks better stay stay in your home. 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:15.280 Yeah, it's too dangerous. We're not indigenous people like you 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.280 and like me, being a local as d and a man, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.760 I don't feel safe ORGANI streets at night because I 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:21.600 give a tack tooo. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:23.639 That's sad. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.600 You get one kid, walk up to your little twelve 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.240 and I'll ask you for a cigarette, and you tell 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.360 me you got nothing, He sings out for his mates. Yeah, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.840 all the little gangs and all that. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.600 It's those gangs that have become infamous here and across 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:40.960 the country. Kids roaming the streets looking for trouble and 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:45.200 if they can't find it, making trouble. Things really kicked 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.480 off earlier this year with what's been described as a 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.560 riot in town. He started at the Todd Tavern not 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.600 too far from where we are now, within Alice Springs, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:01.079 nowhere as far away. At this pub, the Todd glass 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.799 was smashed, bricks were just pelted out it. People or 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.520 running up and fly kicking. 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.960 They've taken twenty meter jumps and jumping in the glass 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:09.760 trying to smash it. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.480 A flying sidekick punches rocks and even bricks. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:18.000 What a brick this is. When the headline started in 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.960 cities and towns across Australia, we read about chaos and rampages. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.360 One newspaper described the kids here as tiny menaces stuck 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.640 on a turnstile of trouble. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.960 A couple of views, some of who look younger than 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.160 ten years old, damage more than sixty cars. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:38.280 They're hanging out the window honing through Alice Springs this resource. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.280 She was startled, according to police, by the children breaking 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.600 into her home. She was then attacked and hit in 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.680 the face with a rock by one. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.680 Police were given extraordinary powers to arrest the violence to 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:51.480 put an end to it. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.080 An emergency situation has been declared in Alice Springs following 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.520 a wave of violence in the Northern Territory town. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.520 These curf ears for both adults and children and will 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.560 be enforced from ten pm to six am between those 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.240 who will back our police to enact this curfew and 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.520 do what is needed to improve community safety in Alice Springs. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.839 Like fly in and fly out workers, politicians arrived to 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.000 blame one another for the carnage. The people of Alice 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.680 Springs became political footballs in the process. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.039 And you've got kids here tonight who are going to 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.920 be sexually abused or families where domestic violence has now 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.800 become a current occurrence. 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.279 Sending the riot Squad the eightyf whoever it takes to 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.480 bring calm to our streets. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.440 It came on the back of one of the most 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:46.040 divisive debates in the country's history, the referendum on the 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.320 Voice to Parliament. There was yet another time when Aboriginal 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.240 people were spoken about more than we were spoken to. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.000 It's been twelve months since that debate and I've come 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.240 here to the harder things Alice Springs ata to hear 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.640 the voices of people here. I want to know what 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.839 happens when the great Australian silence once again surrouds this 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.520 town once the carnival of political debate heads down the road, 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.440 and how all the interventions big and small by governments 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.240 of or persuasions have led to this moment of chaos. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.840 What I found is that almost all of it leads 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:29.640 back to one thing. I'm Daniel James and you're listening 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.920 to seven AM. This is Alas Springs Episode one, Children 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.080 of the Intervention. This episode was first published in October 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:39.720 last year. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.040 Lately, as I there haven't been a lot of tourists 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.919 traveling through due to some of the issues and Alice 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:53.920 Springs people are a bit afraid. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.240 Damien's offered to take us on a tour of the town. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.360 This is us driving around with him and Bison. The 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.360 media reporting has been pretty full on Euck and that's 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:06.760 had an effect on tourism. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.520 Yeah, look, I think it's scared away a lot of 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.960 even people with small businesses, lot of local people. 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:15.240 I have been here before and there's a noticeable change 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.039 for starters. You can't buy a drink here to take 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.240 away on Mondays and Tuesdays. The bars are empty. The 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.400 thriving backpacker scene seems to have shrunk. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.120 There's a main part of the CBD yeah, bring your 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.680 shopping center. That's where most people come for their shopping. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.240 And we passed the Todd Tavern opposite the footy ground. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.200 On the surface, the spread of a pub typical of 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.760 a country town. In broad daylight, it's hard to picture 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:46.600 it as a place of unrest and violence. A full loop. 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.200 As we round the corner, we see the heart of 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.039 justice within the town, a triangle of imposing buildings, the 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.719 cop shop, the magistrates court, and the biggest building of all, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:58.680 the Supreme Court's. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.680 A big Supreme court that just stands and I don't 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:01.520 know what they're doing there. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:04.160 That's the prime. The Supreme Court building is a big one. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.560 It's it's really big, but I don't know if there's 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.720 any purpose for them right now. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.720 These buildings look dormant, but this hides the fact that 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.240 more Aboriginal people are being sentenced to prison than ever before. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.240 There's been a twenty three percent increase in Indigenous incarceration 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:24.160 in the past five years. Children age between fourteen and 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.280 seventeen are incarcerated at a higher rate in the Northern 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.720 Territory than anywhere else in the country. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.840 But here's here's the big one, right right you got 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.200 You've got nightclubs here, and we've got our young kids 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.880 that are walking around up to our good and we've 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.040 got half of our elders and our leaders in the 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.520 nightclub and when they come out, they're seeing as just 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.880 as bad as the young people. So you know, every 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.600 weekend some of our leaders are acting like children. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.400 Inside the only shopping center, the bottles are once again open, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.640 and there are lines out the front with police checking 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.800 IDs before people enter. There are two lines with one 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.080 copper each assigned to check where people live, to make 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:15.720 sure they don't live somewhere where alcohol is forbidden. Middle 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:21.280 aged white people are waved through. What did you see? 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.000 Please relate White fans walks throight and black fives can't 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.360 that has one hundred question you did to get a six. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:26.640 Back of beer? 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.040 There are plenty of black fellows on the street and 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.320 they outnumber the White fellows. They're usually in groups just 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.600 yarning up. It's on these streets you'll hear some of 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:40.240 the oldest languages known to humanity, the true languages of 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.200 the continent. Yet they're more foreign to us than Italian 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.960 or French or even millennial. The wonder of that is 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.600 really something for an outsider. But for Damien and Bison, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.040 their focus is on the problems here and now I 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.400 sense that. So I asked them about it. When did 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.800 that sort of violence and a mark sort of start. 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.280 Do you think two thousand when the intervention came through. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.560 It was a big joke. It was a big shocking 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.680 stuff for we were too shamed to say we were 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:12.520 from Alice Springs. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.720 This is something I heard again and again as I 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.679 spoke to locals and Alice Springs. They still remember the 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.640 army rolling into town, the announcements over town, camp PA's 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.760 warning people to stay in their homes. They tell me 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.800 about the confusion, the terror, about how the blunt force 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.400 of the intervention affected every part of their lives, and 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.520 how they're still dealing with the consequences all these years later. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:41.559 That's after the break. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.079 Are we ready well, ladies and gentlemen, mister Bruff and 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.920 I have called this new conference to announce a number 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.120 of major measures to deal with what we can only 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.679 describe as a national emergency in relation to the abuse 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:14.040 of children in Indigenous communities in the Northern Territory. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.720 Far away from Alice Springs in Canberra, John Howard stands 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.839 in front of a pack of journalists. It's June two 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:22.959 thousand and seven. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.560 And we therefore believe that the action I'm about to 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:32.880 outline is totally justified and warranted given our overarching responsibilities 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.640 for the welfare of children throughout Australia. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.400 This moment will change the course of life for generations 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.960 of people in l Springs and surrounds. And it started 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.240 with a report. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.400 The Little Children of Sacred Report shun a light on 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:51.520 the profound consequences of the breakdown of Aboriginal society. Most 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.120 chilling of all was that child abuse was serious, widespread 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:56.679 and often unreported. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.000 In the shadows of the report made a series of 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.200 recommendations around the government supporting and empowering Aboriginal people to 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.680 address any abuse within their communities, but the government tossed 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.640 that aside, instead using the allegations as a pretext to 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.280 seizing control over the land, again stripping locals of any 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.080 control over their lives and sending in the military. The 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.600 popular CDP program, a work for the Dull scheme that 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.280 acted as a pathway out of welfare, was scrapped, forcing 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:26.920 people back onto welfare. 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.560 Widespread alcohol restrictions were enforced, there were medical examinations for 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.520 children under sixteen. School attendance was linked to family payments, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.120 and government business managers were imposed. The Commonwealth moved to 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.480 take controlled townships through changes to the Land Act. Police 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.560 numbers were increased, and most controversial of all, half of 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.720 welfare payments were quarantined for buying food and other essentials. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.680 The swiftness of the response, in all its clinical brutality, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.680 took Howard and its Indigenous Affairs Minister mel Braff forty 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.640 eight hours was to draw up. We took everyone here 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.800 by surprise, including the anti government. No one living in 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.120 the communities up here knew what was going to happen. 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.160 It was scary. Were the army invading? Were they here 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.800 to take the children away? To lock up all the men? 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.800 Yes, I remember that when the army came here, it 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.080 was pretty bad and they made an excuse to go 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.960 to their communities, and they didn't care about whose place 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.079 it was or anything. 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.640 We've driven out to the west side of town. We've 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.880 graciously been invited into the home of Arnie pat Ansel Dodds. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.320 She's an artist and respected Arunda elder. Her family are 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.400 from here, but we're here at the point of first contact. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:58.920 This is her land, this is her town. Hello and yeah, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.320 rub lined up the interview with aunt has her baby 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.360 with her, trying to find a quiet spot for them 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:09.560 while we record our conversationes. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:18.000 Eight boys, three girls and it's a boxing match. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.520 And how long have you been in Alice Springs itself? 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.600 I have worked very hard over the years to speak 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:36.440 out for my people. But what's the government's been doing, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:41.280 especially the things about the kids. When you look at 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.480 our history, the white men never came till later on, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.280 and we're the last place that they came to to 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.960 put the telegraph line through from Adelaide to Darwin. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.679 The telegraph station became a residential institution where Aboriginal children 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.880 were taken when they were stolen from their families. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.200 Both my parents were put in there and I didn't 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:09.160 understand to lie was a bit older of all the 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:15.040 things that happened to all the families around Australia, taking 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:21.920 their children away and brainwashing them about their own history, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:22.800 not ours. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.560 Arniepat went on to become a nurse and in the 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.160 midst of her career won a native title claim with 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:33.640 their people. Her personal and professional advancement and Hartford Native 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.520 title victory made a thing. For a time things were improving, 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.360 but the Intervention changed all that. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:47.200 This younger generation is losing the plot and the government 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.480 did this to them. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:53.120 The government did this, Yeah, why do you think they 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:54.160 were doing it. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:58.280 It's just racism. It's an excuse to shut us down 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:04.760 and a land and take over our communities and that 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.920 our people didn't have any any rights anymore. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:13.320 The Intervention didn't end with Howard rud and Gillard kept 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:18.640 it in place, ironically rebranding it Stronger Futures. Arni Pat 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.080 watched on as outside as imposed a set of rules 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.800 that removed the ability for her people to control their 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:24.640 own lives. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:30.000 When you have people come into another town and they 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.560 don't come from here, they don't know what to do, 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.560 and then they have the police on their backs watching 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:45.480 them all the time. But the younger generation just stuffed 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.520 them will run amuck, and that's what they do. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.200 In response, Anipat and other grandmothers established a group to 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.240 patrol the streets of ALUs at night to look for 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.360 and look after kids on the streets in fear they'd 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.880 be picked up by the police or the army. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:07.840 Well, we came together a few years ago, and we 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.400 all came from here, this area, and we got together 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:17.040 to fight for our rights to help these kids. We'd 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:22.120 go out, especially at night, and go around the streets 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.840 and talk to the kids and ask them what they're doing, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.960 because they'd walk around at night. But the worst thing 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.240 was they'd be walking down the streets but they'd be 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:36.720 thinking of smashing things, things like that. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.000 How long was the Strong Grandmothers group together for? 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.840 Oh, for a while, about twenty years? 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:43.600 Yeah. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.520 Wow, And a lot of us are in the eighties 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:53.640 and nineties, and we're getting tired. We can't keep fighting. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:58.880 I still see kids walking around at night and playing 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:04.600 up and the parents try to stop them, but it's 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:05.320 not happening. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.520 You have eight grandchildren of your own. 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.440 Eight grandsons and three granddaughters. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.680 I see a photo of someone who graduated something up 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.879 or something rather on the wall there. Yeah, Yeah, who's that? 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:26.359 Yeah yeah. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:32.320 I am just collecting few things and start putting things 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.400 away because I'm going to let's say. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:35.160 That's my. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:38.040 Tribe. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.000 Only Pat spent decades trying to protect the children of 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.040 Old Springs from the government and his intervention. But now 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.600 she's leaving. Her paintings are leaning against cabinets and bookcases 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.480 waiting to be packed. They depict the seven Arrander sisters 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.320 being chased by a man, a story at the heart 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.199 of the Arrander mythology. They'll go with it when she 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:00.680 heads south. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:07.959 Right. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.200 For those that remain, there are remnants of the intervention 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.879 all around. They are pillars of times passed which are 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.639 still present today. The next day, Uncle Brian and Damian 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.920 tact me to Charles Creek town camp to show me 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.760 the remaining signs. So where are we? 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.560 We're Charles Creek, who not camp Little Blow missioned? There's 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:34.840 where that under people need to live. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.960 Charles Creek is one of twenty or so camps in 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.160 and around the town that the government officially calls Alll 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.959 Springs Community Living areas. Some of the camps, such as 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.840 Charles Creek, are old missions. It was where oboriginal people 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.160 were assigned patches of land when Europeans first settled here. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.880 People have called this place home for generations. The camp 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.159 is fenced in a series of neatly kept homes at 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.560 the base of another rocky escarpment. We've arrived just after 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.680 school's finished. There's a couple of girls in uniforms playing 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.920 in one of the backyards. The fact that the town 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.639 camps exists made it relatively easy during the intervention to 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.399 control the people that live here. We're here to be 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.120 introduced to some of the residents by Uncle Brian and Damien. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.080 First up, we meet young father Donald Kunos run here again, Daniel, So, yeah. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.760 One of the presidents here of this block. So they 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.359 want to come and check out some of them signs 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.439 down here. A little bit of truth about what happens 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.800 in outa Springs. Here people get treated, how's the rent. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:37.159 Proven? 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.960 Your identification? Everywhere you going on that side of Jazz. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.359 Damien remembers when a sign was put up on his 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.000 block during the intervention. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.320 And when I see it, because I got dyslection, I 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:47.840 couldn't read it and I said, what does that mean? 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.560 And someone was explaining it to me and I. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.080 Was like what, Yeah, no, it's always been like that. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.520 Some signs up there, they're just saying that we can't 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.879 have any alcohol or any pornography or any other stuff 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.040 written on there says that we can't have it. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.320 And then there's another sign here. Do you want to 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.800 Can anyone read this sign for me? You can read 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:06.960 that it. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.320 Is an offense to drink or bring alcohol into this 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.320 community or give alcohol to anyone. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.600 And again this has been planted in front of people's homes. 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:21.400 That's right. 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:23.200 Shame. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.000 How can you decorate your house and look respectable when 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.040 you've got these sitting before you even enter your house. 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.680 Do you think that people in the broader Australian community 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.920 have any sort of understanding as to what's happening here? 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.160 No right, people look at Ali Springer as a bad town. 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:44.120 Charles Creek is one of the more pristine camps. They're 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:47.159 tended to by a number of housing associations of various 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.760 types of leases. They're not suburbs, they're not camps as 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:55.359 weed know. What they are is places of segregation. A 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.639 reminder of times before the intervention, when from the earliest 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.040 days of European settlement, our original people and families were 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.240 discouraged from living in the township. Uncle Brian is scathing 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.040 about the state of the camp in which he leaves. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.400 We living on Toba rubbish, don't even a proper house, 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:21.159 you know. We're happy with the river red bit of 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.000 power shower. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.280 Majority of the time. This unstrings me because you don't 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.200 have power, you don't have food. I be ringing him 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:35.159 sometimes for power and for food, and that's just you know, 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.399 linking up and supporting each other. But like I was saying, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:44.000 it's like we are all handicapped with this rent system 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:45.879 with everything you know. 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:46.320 Lately. 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.920 To be honest, I come in here and visit my family, 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.600 but I haven't really pulled up and looked at this. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.160 And today we really looked at it, and actually reading 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.040 about it, I'm thinking this sort of yeah, I bring 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:58.960 back a lot of lot of anger and a lot 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:03.360 of distrust within the government and whatnot. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.000 Where were you when you heard that the intervention was 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:11.120 going to come through. 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.639 I was at loves Creek Station. I was working with 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:15.280 Dame instead. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.600 And what was the reaction of you and some of 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:20.959 the other fellas well. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.879 It was shocking and it was really sad for being 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.959 indiganous men, you know. Yeah, to see Army's coming with 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.199 guns and everything in it that freaked everybody out. Like 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.520 to hear all these stories, like when the indiventions come 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:36.520 through with mal Broth and all that. I would love 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.160 to see Malbrock come back and say that it would 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.840 be but you know, I've got a lot of things 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.159 to put it on the table for him. If you're listening, 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.880 mail Brock come back and meet Brian Young in other springs. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.760 These men are proud fathers, grandfathers, and sons. The thought 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.679 of harming their own flesh and blood is abhorrent to them. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.480 But the shame of being cast as drunks, drug users 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.560 and head of philes still lingers. All these years later. 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.240 The picture that was painted of Ourboriginal men here impacted 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:12.120 mob right across the country. Now it's the next generation 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:15.280 being impacted. I wanted to speak to some of the 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.840 kids who brought me to all the springs, the kids 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:30.320 on the news being shown as out of control. There 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:31.960 you go. 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:38.600 Today we're talking about I've got no life. 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.800 We've come to a place where kids can rehabilitate. It's 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:49.120