WEBVTT - Killer at a funeral | 4 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:09.879 I don't know how many hundred people were there, but 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.720 it was just he's sort of walk and he says, oh, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.160 where am I? And what's gone? 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:17.040 Is this? 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.720 This is surreal and he was looking at you and 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.080 you're trying, you know, you don't really want to look 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:28.320 at people say hi or whatever. It's just tough that 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:31.080 this was going through that very tough. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.360 Did you ever think is the killer in this church? Yep? 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.600 Do you think he was? 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.919 Yep? Because it would have made them look like, you know, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:43.400 they cared. 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.440 I believe that the person who killed her was at 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.479 her funeral. I realized that. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.680 You're listening to episode four of Dear Rochelle, a podcast 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.840 by True Crime Australia. I'm Ashley Hanson. This is the 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.679 untold story of Rochelle Chance, a twenty three year old 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:12.640 who was brutally murdered. Her killer has never been caught. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.759 My memory of that day is really blurry. Everything around 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.280 that time is really blurry. I can't remember much at 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.959 all because it was just, Yeah, it was traumatic. Well, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.679 her funeral was huge in my head. There was a 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:29.720 thousand people there. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.640 It was packed, there were people out of the doors 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.839 and it's a big church. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.240 My memory It was mostly young people, like people Rochelle's age. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.319 The crowd was big enough that there was standing room only. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.560 They'd come to say goodbye to twenty three year old 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.240 Rochelle Chance. Her funeral was held at Mary Mother of 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:53.080 the Church in Macquarie Fields in Western Sydney. The priest, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.000 father Michael Healey, had also presided over Rochelle's holy communion. 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:03.160 It was a crisp winter day and the sun was shining. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.520 And they had to stop traffic to let the procession through. 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.800 I remember just being in a zone. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.320 I did the eulogy, you know, getting up and speaking, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.519 and yeah, I knew I had to be brave, so 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.799 I had to just put on a real armor. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.160 We'd put together some music and stuff like that for 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.400 the funeral service, and I remember writing a letter to 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.359 her to go into in with her. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:37.119 A really surreal experience, almost like I was watching it, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.040 not experiencing it, because I just I was very good 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.280 at not letting myself feel. For a chapter there. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.440 It screams volumes about the person she was and the 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.840 circle of friends and what she meant to people. You know, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.160 it was the biggest funeral I've ever attended, and even 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.960 to this day I've ever attended. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.400 I remember but putting my suit on, and I was 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:08.440 so skinny and gross, and I just remember feeling I 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.880 was withering away, you know, physically, mentally, my soul, everything. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.239 Rochelle's dark Graham was known for his speeches at weddings 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.959 and birthdays. He's an actor voicing the hardest speech of 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.480 Graham's life, his daughter's final goodbye. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.960 Thank you friends for being here today. I can't begin 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.280 to describe the sorrow in my heart. For the last two 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.440 weeks have seen us living out the family's greatest nightmare. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.080 The only thing that has sustained us is a love 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.760 shown by you. Your thoughts, your words, your tears, your 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:52.080 prayers have all helped us I mentally. Over the past 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.040 two weeks, Shelle's friends and workmates have told us many 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.880 wonderful stories. The time that Rachelle was late for work 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.600 because she had to rescue a ball from appen Road, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.120 the time that Shell stopped in traffic in Queen Street, 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.800 the main street in Campbelltown, to rescue an injured glass, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.720 and one very special story where a sixty five year 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:17.279 old lady described how Shell was a great companion to 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.600 her when she was going through some very difficult times. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.360 Shell was a very special person. In many ways, she 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.800 was a son I never had. Her approach to life 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.119 was full on. She never saw a challenge too big. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.680 She had an insatiable thirst for life and for making friends. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.840 After five minutes with Shell, you felt she was your 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.120 best mate, and you knew the friendship would laugh forever. 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.960 I know Shell would be sitting up there saying, come on, 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:50.400 get over it. So to help us get over it, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.280 I would like to leave you with a vision of Shell. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.760 I would like you all to look up to the ceiling, 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.640 to the beams of shining light through the windows. Now 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:06.760 close your eyes. Picture Shell, that beautiful girl, that long 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.119 blonde hair, and those big blue eyes, that cheeky green 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:16.320 and that infectious laugh. See how beautiful she is, See 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:22.880 the fun she's having and the chaos she's creating. Now 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.520 freeze from that memory, place it in your heart, and 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.120 take it wherever you go. My little angel will be 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:36.520 looking after you. I love you, Bubbs fly free. 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.800 In the week since Rachelle's murder, police had cast a 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.960 wide net, but they were convinced she knew her killer. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.720 Detectives had boots on the ground at the funeral, anticipating 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:56.880 her murderer might be there too. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:05.120 I remember standing away from the burial site and I 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.680 had a detective beside me, asking do you know who 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.520 that person is? Do you know who that person is? 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.160 Do you know who that person is? And I'm like, 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.760 I've got no idea all these people are. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.480 I think Rochelle's killer was at the funeral. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.200 What makes you so confident of that? Is it because 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.520 you profile this killer is someone who knew Rochelle and 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.240 also that Rachelle trusted, so therefore would have to keep 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:30.599 a persona that they. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.640 Cared well, that's right, And if you weren't there, that's 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.599 a red flag. That's a big question mark for me. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.800 You know, that's something would stand out and what the 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.040 investigators would be looking for finding out who's who in 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.040 the zoo. And you're trying to seek a close companion 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.080 of Rochelle's, you're also looking for the emotional side of things. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.599 Are we seeing big crocodile tears from somebody that really 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.119 doesn't seem to care too much about her or didn't 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.080 care much about her? Are we seeing some odd behavior? 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.839 Are we seeing someone who's really being there? The cops 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.400 wouldn't have stood out as being cops, so they would 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:10.480 have filtered into that the people around Rachelle's funeral as unknowns, 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.360 and he wouldn't be looking for a cop. That wouldn't 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.040 be an interval. I can guarantee you that, and this 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.480 is what we do. You try and seek out the behaviors. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.960 Does any one particular person stand out to you at 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:22.480 the funeral? 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:23.120 Yeah? 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.560 I remember staring at him at the court case and 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.680 he wouldn't make eye contact with me. I remember staring 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.560 at him at the funeral and he wouldn't look at me. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.680 I remember the distance he had from everybody else at 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.440 the funeral. He just made me feel uncomfortable. 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:43.240 Yeah, more conscious of who was there. At this stage, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.000 detectives had a growing list of persons of interest. It's 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.120 believed at least four p or wys were there that day. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.400 Plice were looking very closely at all the men in 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:58.480 Rochelle's life. Here's her best friend Lisa leading up to 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.920 her death. What was Rochelle's love life like? Yeah, a 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.040 bit all over the place. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 Men loved her just she just had that personality, you know, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.560 that warm, friendly, gorgeous soul. And she was into guy stuff, 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.480 you know, so that was just a winning recipe for 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.440 all of them. You know, she was attractive, bubbly, friendly, funny, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.080 but love cars, you know, and love cricket and you know, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.559 all these things that they loved. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.280 So she would bond very quickly and. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.640 Easily, but never really And this is one of the 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:32.080 things I hate for her is that I don't think 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:37.800 she ever really got to experience deep and meaningful, reciprocal love. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.120 Do you think she was looking for love? Yes, I do, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:46.200 I do, unbeknown to herself. Again with hindsight, yes I do. 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.160 I think the girl that she was and deep down 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.640 not the you know what everyone would see, she wanted 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.840 someone special for sure. She just didn't find her person, 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.360 I guess, you know. And in the meantime just had 0:08:59.480 --> 0:08:59.959 had fun. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.280 Yeah, we talked about boys. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:02.680 A lot, you know. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.120 That was a big part of that really type part 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.040 of our friendship was where she was living at the time, Embargo, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.840 and I was living with my parents about forty five 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.839 minutes away. It was Monday nights. It was sex and 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.439 the city night. I put my PJS on, I get 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.199 my warmest blanket because it was always at culture house 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.559 and I'd drive there and we'd cook dinner and we 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.160 just talked about boys like NonStop, you know, and fun 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.880 stuff and you know, light and yeah, and we'd cook 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.360 dinner and then we'd watch Sex in the City and 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.400 then I would stay over and drive back the neck. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.520 It was just a thing, you know, a thing that 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:37.960 we had. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.160 Fiona used to pop over for girls night too. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.600 Yeah, so there was me, Lisa and Rochelle. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.120 So I still have this fond memory. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.600 She made a salad. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.280 I don't know what we were having with the salad, 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.440 but I always remember she crushed up dorito's She's doritos 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.320 and put them on the salad, and it's just been 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.400 something that has stuck with me for ember. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.840 I just remember who puts the rito's on a salad. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.640 Unique recipes aside, friendships were a big part of her life, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.360 and so was navigating dating and love. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.160 In her early twenties. She'd been in a long term 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:18.480 relationship that had gone to shit. You know, by that 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.920 stage it had been there was an unhealthy relationship and 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.480 how they lived and how much she carried all the 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.120 finances and the bills and the burdens, and you know, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.480 probably he led her astray a little bit. So I 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.160 was happy when that one ended. 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:42.320 Oh we had a bit of a crunch become a shell. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.840 Lisa is talking about a familiar voice you've heard before 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:47.679 in Dear Rochelle. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.600 Got a shell the winning car, mister Shane wats did? 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.720 Shane like, Hi, it's. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.960 Been sonny, tad Sonny. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.520 It's good, good bit of track temperature. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.040 His daughter was nice. It was a nice friend. She 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.360 was a very funny guy and they just jelled. She 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.440 enjoyed the his personality that was funny. I still got 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.320 a soft spot for her. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.400 When Christy and I went back to Bargo to see 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.080 her old house, Christy filled me in on Rochelle and 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:23.120 Shane's breakup. 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.360 I think leave people very long. I think that was 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.000 only here for a month or two. But it was 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:35.360 so much fun. I remember when Rochelle and Shane lived here. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:40.200 We had Shane's little brothers Gemini that they were doing 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.880 up in the garage, and we made a rally track 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.600 in the paddock and we poured water on part of 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.600 it so that we had like a bit that was 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.400 wet and we used to race around and I remember 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.720 it had no windscreen, and I remember getting in the 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.240 passenger seat and Rochelle was driving and Shane was timing 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.480 her and we came around the corner and she kind 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.960 of lost it and then regained it, but we were 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.000 off the track, so we had to go like around 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.440 a tree, and she didn't slow down though, she just 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:09.120 kept going. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.040 So how did you come about to live with Rochelle? 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.559 So Rochelle and Shane broke up, and you know, to 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.079 help her pay the rent, I moved out of mom 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.440 and Dad's and moved in with her. Not that I 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.040 paid for much of the rent she because I was 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:28.000 at Union at the time. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.440 So what was their breakup? 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:29.720 Like? 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.520 How would you describe it? Oh? 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.040 Yeah, you know, I think I don't think it was 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 a great breakup. They used to fight a lot, but 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.959 they were both hot headed. They probably weren't a good mix. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.240 Oh look at. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.800 Them, Look at the slower I can't remember. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.520 See that's Shane with Rochelle at Wakefield Park Raceway as 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.880 they're getting ready for their big race. They small Shelle's 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.480 all time favorite cart near the track. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.600 I'll just go park over there next to the WALKI 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.559 was the fastest walking from in Australia. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.520 And Graham and CHRISTI have always loved Shane like family. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.439 Rachelle had broken his heart, but nothing could prepare him 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:17.000 for losing her forever. And strangely, it was Sash from 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.440 the Rebels who broke the news to him. Shane Spray 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.960 painted cars and he'd previously sold a carter Sash, so 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.600 they knew each other, but they weren't close. Graham Charles 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.319 has spoken to Sash while he was looking for Rochelle, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:34.120 and after the tragic news came through, Graham asked him 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.520 to break it to Shane. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.079 I got a phone call from that Sash, the Rebels 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.160 guy or whatever it is. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:40.680 Weird. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.760 Thet thing was he was the one that actually told me, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.400 and he said just warning, you know, like they will 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.600 probably think you're a suspect. That's that's when that idea 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.720 was in my head from him. I was like, what, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.240 what are you even talking about? And then yeah, I 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.480 got a phone call from Mum and everythincoln they all 0:13:58.520 --> 0:13:59.360 come racing down. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.800 Yeah. I don't recall much after that. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.559 We punched a few holes in walls and tried to 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.599 run off into the car, but everyone was high in 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.400 the keys and yeah, trying to calm me down, people 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:14.720 were saying to me, oh, you know, you're going to 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.000 be a suspect, and I'm like, what do you mean? 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.840 Like I loved her, I still love her, like I 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:23.040 love her like crazy, you know, I said, how am I? 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.520 And they're like, oh, you're the ex boyfriend. You know 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.920 you're a jealous ex boyfriend. I'm like, oh wow. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.760 Really, even though Shane and Rachelle had a messy breakup, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.160 he still loved her, and he blamed himself for not 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:38.760 being able to protect her. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.360 Well, she wanted me to go. We were like, you know, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.920 whispling up? She's you need to go and start your life. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.240 And I knew she was a strong girl. But yeah, 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.240 I don't know. I just feel like I shouldn't have left. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.320 But you had no idea she was in any danger. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:15:00.000 No exactly exactly, I had no idea of that. But yeah, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.640 still you look back now and you're like, what if 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.520 only you know it's only done things differently or something. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:07.960 I don't know. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.720 Nothing could change it obviously now, but yeah, it still hurts. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:15.680 I still think about it a lot. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.600 And how long did it take for you to pull 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.400 yourself together after this happened? 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:25.280 And oh I was a mess for quite a few years. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.880 So I was like in a house where i'd move 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.760 with some friends at Ingleburn there, and you know, we 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.840 were partying and smoking pot and playing games and. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.960 Stuff like that, and just yeah, it was pretty miserable. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.960 Tried to, you know, just build cars and take my 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.080 mind off it through building cars and that. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:44.960 But it's a pretty tough time. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.360 And then I met my wife who I'm with now 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.840 through that house, and ye got. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.320 Out of that house and moved on with moved on 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:53.880 with life. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 Is she the best thing that happened to you since 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:57.680 losing myself? 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:58.240 Yeah? 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.200 Yeah, And that's the thing too, Like I could still 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.200 like imagine now, like Rachelle would still come over, do 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.240 you know what I mean, Like she was that kind 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:07.640 of girl. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.840 And even my new wife like she'd love a drink 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.359 with Rachelle, you know what I mean. Like it's it's 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.120 like we left a really good friends. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.640 Our biggest problem was I think we're better friends and 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.520 not lovers, you know what I mean. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.680 Like we were We're very had a lot of. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.800 The same taste and cars and everything, and I think 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.040 we were just better off friends. So I should have 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.760 just stayed and just yeah, I don't know. I still 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:40.960 still blame myself sometimes, but it's tough. Shame yeah, yeah, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:42.600 I still think about it a lot. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:17:02.120 Sorry, don't apologize. Yeah, it's just so hard to fathom. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.360 And you wrote a letter to Shane. What prompted that? 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.600 Just to keep in touch and say, you know. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.840 You always in our thoughts and you know, I'm sorry 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.320 things didn't pan out. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.879 I just wanted the best for their daughter and stuff, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:27.840 so they could see that in me, And yeah, I 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.199 consider myself to be a kind person and will do 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.240 anything for anyone. 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.480 Take the shirt off me back if they need it. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.680 Rochelle was newly single and excited about her future. This 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.520 is two thousand and one. There's no Tinder bumble hinge, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.879 but there were online chat rooms. Can you tell me 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.080 about Nathan the guy that she met in Queensland over 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.680 the internet because the Internet would have only just been 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.160 emerging into garzand and I. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.800 She said too, I'm going to Queensland for Easter. And 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.240 I'm like, oh, come, I'm not doing anything. So she 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.360 got a statesman off the lot and Lisa and her 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.160 and I went to Queensland. We went to the Gold 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.200 Coast and met this Nathan. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.399 This complete stranger who we never even seen. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:26.240 That's shell. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.359 She's like, yeah, I've got a goodeeling about this. Let's go. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.600 I think this, you know, this guy sounds pretty cool. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.320 And what was that road trip like with Rochelle? Was 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.600 she a bit of a character? Oh god, yeah? 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.399 At Grafton, at the momhile service station and just little 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.960 dares like she do cartwheels. We pulled over into a 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.080 into a cane field actually, and we got the car balled. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.320 These the three women taking photos of us in the 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.920 cane field, and the car got stuck and we were 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.920 just laughing our heads off trying to get this car 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.679 on stuck and yeah, good signs, good times. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.680 Idiots, all of us really all a little bit too trusting. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.399 I do look back at that, you know, they're knowing 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:10.600 what happened to Rachelle and. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.159 She thinking what the actual f were we thinking? You know, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.240 driving all. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.199 That way to see some guy who we did not know, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.080 who could have been like, thank god he wasn't, you 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.040 know to my knowledge. We stayed in his house and they, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.560 you know, had a fun weekend together and then we 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:28.240 drove back. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.400 Would she have gone alone? Was she a risk taker? Now? 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.440 That's why she said I'm going to Queensland? 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:35.240 Do you want to come? 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.520 He seemed like a nice guy, and he actually came 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.639 to Nelson Bay later that next month or something to 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.280 come and see her. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.080 It's important to tell you about the girl's trip to Queensland, 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.760 not just for the memories, but because that road trip 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.440 didn't go down well with Rochelle's boss at Camden Holden, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:58.800 Kevin Correll. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.600 He was sort of teaching at the robe, so she 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:10.400 looked at him, in my opinion, like a mental kind 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.280 of father figure. She ad taught him. She'd looked up 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.520 to him. I could see it at the way that 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:19.000 she interacted with him. She was very trusting and she 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.920 genuinely enjoyed people's company. She took the time to really 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:27.359 get to know people. She loved marking around with people 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.920 and having a joke, and she built friends really really quickly. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.520 She established really good relationships really early with people. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.440 Kevin, a father of two, was twenty two years older 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.600 than Rachelle, and it often lent her cars from the lot, 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.880 not a perk. Everyone was afforded. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.919 My understanding, and I don't think I read between the lines. 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.840 I think she probably articulated this. 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.400 But he had a crush on her. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.000 She navigated that relationship to her advantage. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.840 I think from what you saw. Could Kevin have played 0:21:00.880 --> 0:21:03.760 favorites with anyone? Did you get a sense of that? 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.800 Yeah, And I think he was doing that with Rochelle, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:10.719 like at the time. It's sort of sometimes it was 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:16.879 like that mentoring. But I don't know more. And I'd 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:21.040 like to say father daughter, but not other daughter. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:22.560 I don't know more. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:26.000 Like he liked her, he liked her, It's my perception. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.800 I don't think it was a romantic relationship at all. 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.080 I don't think she was remotely interested in him at all. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.320 But I think he had a crush on her. But 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.359 he was also her boss, so I believe there's probably 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.040 some power play that he had over her there. But 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.359 she was a little aware of that and was just 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.440 managing that so that she could still probably work, earn 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:47.920 good money and borrow cars that she liked. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.440 Do you think Rochelle realized that Kevin may have fancied her. 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:58.639 I think so. I do recall a conversation that I 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.439 can't remember. I remember standing at the door of the 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:06.240 showroom and Rachelle's shushing me because I was talking about 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.320 Nathan coming down and boys being at Nelson Bay, and 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.240 she shushed me. When she was on the phone to him, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.199 So it was like she didn't want him to know that. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.320 That's say I was a creepy old guy in my head. 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.040 I don't think it's normal to be afraid of telling 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.600 someone about your personal life if they're your boss. 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.520 I think that he may have said some stuff to 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:34.000 her that, you know, I hope you're not meeting up 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:35.399