1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how many hundred people were there, but 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: it was just he's sort of walk and he says, oh, 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: where am I? And what's gone? 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Is this? 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: This is surreal and he was looking at you and 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: you're trying, you know, you don't really want to look 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: at people say hi or whatever. It's just tough that 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: this was going through that very tough. 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: Did you ever think is the killer in this church? Yep? 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: Do you think he was? 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: Yep? Because it would have made them look like, you know, 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: they cared. 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: I believe that the person who killed her was at 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 4: her funeral. I realized that. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: You're listening to episode four of Dear Rochelle, a podcast 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: by True Crime Australia. I'm Ashley Hanson. This is the 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: untold story of Rochelle Chance, a twenty three year old 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: who was brutally murdered. Her killer has never been caught. 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 4: My memory of that day is really blurry. Everything around 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 4: that time is really blurry. I can't remember much at 21 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 4: all because it was just, Yeah, it was traumatic. Well, 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 4: her funeral was huge in my head. There was a 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 4: thousand people there. 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 5: It was packed, there were people out of the doors 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 5: and it's a big church. 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 6: My memory It was mostly young people, like people Rochelle's age. 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 6: The crowd was big enough that there was standing room only. 28 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: They'd come to say goodbye to twenty three year old 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: Rochelle Chance. Her funeral was held at Mary Mother of 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: the Church in Macquarie Fields in Western Sydney. The priest, 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: father Michael Healey, had also presided over Rochelle's holy communion. 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: It was a crisp winter day and the sun was shining. 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: And they had to stop traffic to let the procession through. 34 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: I remember just being in a zone. 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 5: I did the eulogy, you know, getting up and speaking, 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 5: and yeah, I knew I had to be brave, so 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 5: I had to just put on a real armor. 38 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 7: We'd put together some music and stuff like that for 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 7: the funeral service, and I remember writing a letter to 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 7: her to go into in with her. 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 5: A really surreal experience, almost like I was watching it, 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: not experiencing it, because I just I was very good 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 5: at not letting myself feel. For a chapter there. 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 7: It screams volumes about the person she was and the 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 7: circle of friends and what she meant to people. You know, 46 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 7: it was the biggest funeral I've ever attended, and even 47 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 7: to this day I've ever attended. 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 5: I remember but putting my suit on, and I was 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 5: so skinny and gross, and I just remember feeling I 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 5: was withering away, you know, physically, mentally, my soul, everything. 51 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 3: Rochelle's dark Graham was known for his speeches at weddings 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 3: and birthdays. He's an actor voicing the hardest speech of 53 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: Graham's life, his daughter's final goodbye. 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 8: Thank you friends for being here today. I can't begin 55 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 8: to describe the sorrow in my heart. For the last two 56 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 8: weeks have seen us living out the family's greatest nightmare. 57 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 8: The only thing that has sustained us is a love 58 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 8: shown by you. Your thoughts, your words, your tears, your 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 8: prayers have all helped us I mentally. Over the past 60 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 8: two weeks, Shelle's friends and workmates have told us many 61 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 8: wonderful stories. The time that Rachelle was late for work 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 8: because she had to rescue a ball from appen Road, 63 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 8: the time that Shell stopped in traffic in Queen Street, 64 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 8: the main street in Campbelltown, to rescue an injured glass, 65 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 8: and one very special story where a sixty five year 66 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 8: old lady described how Shell was a great companion to 67 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 8: her when she was going through some very difficult times. 68 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 8: Shell was a very special person. In many ways, she 69 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 8: was a son I never had. Her approach to life 70 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 8: was full on. She never saw a challenge too big. 71 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 8: She had an insatiable thirst for life and for making friends. 72 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 8: After five minutes with Shell, you felt she was your 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 8: best mate, and you knew the friendship would laugh forever. 74 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 8: I know Shell would be sitting up there saying, come on, 75 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 8: get over it. So to help us get over it, 76 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 8: I would like to leave you with a vision of Shell. 77 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 8: I would like you all to look up to the ceiling, 78 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 8: to the beams of shining light through the windows. Now 79 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 8: close your eyes. Picture Shell, that beautiful girl, that long 80 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 8: blonde hair, and those big blue eyes, that cheeky green 81 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 8: and that infectious laugh. See how beautiful she is, See 82 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 8: the fun she's having and the chaos she's creating. Now 83 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 8: freeze from that memory, place it in your heart, and 84 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 8: take it wherever you go. My little angel will be 85 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 8: looking after you. I love you, Bubbs fly free. 86 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: In the week since Rachelle's murder, police had cast a 87 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: wide net, but they were convinced she knew her killer. 88 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 3: Detectives had boots on the ground at the funeral, anticipating 89 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: her murderer might be there too. 90 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 7: I remember standing away from the burial site and I 91 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 7: had a detective beside me, asking do you know who 92 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 7: that person is? Do you know who that person is? 93 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 7: Do you know who that person is? And I'm like, 94 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 7: I've got no idea all these people are. 95 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 9: I think Rochelle's killer was at the funeral. 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: What makes you so confident of that? Is it because 97 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: you profile this killer is someone who knew Rochelle and 98 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: also that Rachelle trusted, so therefore would have to keep 99 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: a persona that they. 100 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 9: Cared well, that's right, And if you weren't there, that's 101 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 9: a red flag. That's a big question mark for me. 102 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 9: You know, that's something would stand out and what the 103 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 9: investigators would be looking for finding out who's who in 104 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 9: the zoo. And you're trying to seek a close companion 105 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 9: of Rochelle's, you're also looking for the emotional side of things. 106 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 9: Are we seeing big crocodile tears from somebody that really 107 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 9: doesn't seem to care too much about her or didn't 108 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 9: care much about her? Are we seeing some odd behavior? 109 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 9: Are we seeing someone who's really being there? The cops 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 9: wouldn't have stood out as being cops, so they would 111 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 9: have filtered into that the people around Rachelle's funeral as unknowns, 112 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 9: and he wouldn't be looking for a cop. That wouldn't 113 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 9: be an interval. I can guarantee you that, and this 114 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 9: is what we do. You try and seek out the behaviors. 115 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: Does any one particular person stand out to you at 116 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: the funeral? 117 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 10: Yeah? 118 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 5: I remember staring at him at the court case and 119 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: he wouldn't make eye contact with me. I remember staring 120 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 5: at him at the funeral and he wouldn't look at me. 121 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 5: I remember the distance he had from everybody else at 122 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 5: the funeral. He just made me feel uncomfortable. 123 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, more conscious of who was there. At this stage, 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: detectives had a growing list of persons of interest. It's 125 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: believed at least four p or wys were there that day. 126 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: Plice were looking very closely at all the men in 127 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: Rochelle's life. Here's her best friend Lisa leading up to 128 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: her death. What was Rochelle's love life like? Yeah, a 129 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: bit all over the place. 130 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 5: Men loved her just she just had that personality, you know, 131 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 5: that warm, friendly, gorgeous soul. And she was into guy stuff, 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: you know, so that was just a winning recipe for 133 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 5: all of them. You know, she was attractive, bubbly, friendly, funny, 134 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 5: but love cars, you know, and love cricket and you know, 135 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 5: all these things that they loved. 136 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 2: So she would bond very quickly and. 137 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 5: Easily, but never really And this is one of the 138 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: things I hate for her is that I don't think 139 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: she ever really got to experience deep and meaningful, reciprocal love. 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: Do you think she was looking for love? Yes, I do, 141 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 5: I do, unbeknown to herself. Again with hindsight, yes I do. 142 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 5: I think the girl that she was and deep down 143 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 5: not the you know what everyone would see, she wanted 144 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: someone special for sure. She just didn't find her person, 145 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: I guess, you know. And in the meantime just had 146 00:08:59,480 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 5: had fun. 147 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about boys. 148 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 11: A lot, you know. 149 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 5: That was a big part of that really type part 150 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 5: of our friendship was where she was living at the time, Embargo, 151 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: and I was living with my parents about forty five 152 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 5: minutes away. It was Monday nights. It was sex and 153 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 5: the city night. I put my PJS on, I get 154 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 5: my warmest blanket because it was always at culture house 155 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 5: and I'd drive there and we'd cook dinner and we 156 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 5: just talked about boys like NonStop, you know, and fun 157 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 5: stuff and you know, light and yeah, and we'd cook 158 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: dinner and then we'd watch Sex in the City and 159 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 5: then I would stay over and drive back the neck. 160 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: It was just a thing, you know, a thing that 161 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 5: we had. 162 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: Fiona used to pop over for girls night too. 163 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, so there was me, Lisa and Rochelle. 164 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: So I still have this fond memory. 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 7: She made a salad. 166 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 10: I don't know what we were having with the salad, 167 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 10: but I always remember she crushed up dorito's She's doritos 168 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 10: and put them on the salad, and it's just been 169 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 10: something that has stuck with me for ember. 170 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 7: I just remember who puts the rito's on a salad. 171 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Unique recipes aside, friendships were a big part of her life, 172 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: and so was navigating dating and love. 173 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 5: In her early twenties. She'd been in a long term 174 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 5: relationship that had gone to shit. You know, by that 175 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 5: stage it had been there was an unhealthy relationship and 176 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: how they lived and how much she carried all the 177 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: finances and the bills and the burdens, and you know, 178 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: probably he led her astray a little bit. So I 179 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 5: was happy when that one ended. 180 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 12: Oh we had a bit of a crunch become a shell. 181 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: Lisa is talking about a familiar voice you've heard before 182 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 3: in Dear Rochelle. 183 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 4: Got a shell the winning car, mister Shane wats did? 184 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 11: Shane like, Hi, it's. 185 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: Been sonny, tad Sonny. 186 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 11: It's good, good bit of track temperature. 187 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: His daughter was nice. It was a nice friend. She 188 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: was a very funny guy and they just jelled. She 189 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: enjoyed the his personality that was funny. I still got 190 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: a soft spot for her. 191 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: When Christy and I went back to Bargo to see 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: her old house, Christy filled me in on Rochelle and 193 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: Shane's breakup. 194 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: I think leave people very long. I think that was 195 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: only here for a month or two. But it was 196 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: so much fun. I remember when Rochelle and Shane lived here. 197 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 4: We had Shane's little brothers Gemini that they were doing 198 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: up in the garage, and we made a rally track 199 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: in the paddock and we poured water on part of 200 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: it so that we had like a bit that was 201 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 4: wet and we used to race around and I remember 202 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 4: it had no windscreen, and I remember getting in the 203 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 4: passenger seat and Rochelle was driving and Shane was timing 204 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: her and we came around the corner and she kind 205 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 4: of lost it and then regained it, but we were 206 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: off the track, so we had to go like around 207 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 4: a tree, and she didn't slow down though, she just 208 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: kept going. 209 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: So how did you come about to live with Rochelle? 210 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 4: So Rochelle and Shane broke up, and you know, to 211 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 4: help her pay the rent, I moved out of mom 212 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 4: and Dad's and moved in with her. Not that I 213 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: paid for much of the rent she because I was 214 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: at Union at the time. 215 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: So what was their breakup? 216 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 13: Like? 217 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 3: How would you describe it? Oh? 218 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I don't think it was 219 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 4: a great breakup. They used to fight a lot, but 220 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 4: they were both hot headed. They probably weren't a good mix. 221 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 7: Oh look at. 222 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 14: Them, Look at the slower I can't remember. 223 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: See that's Shane with Rochelle at Wakefield Park Raceway as 224 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: they're getting ready for their big race. They small Shelle's 225 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: all time favorite cart near the track. 226 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 14: I'll just go park over there next to the WALKI 227 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 14: was the fastest walking from in Australia. 228 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: And Graham and CHRISTI have always loved Shane like family. 229 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 3: Rachelle had broken his heart, but nothing could prepare him 230 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: for losing her forever. And strangely, it was Sash from 231 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: the Rebels who broke the news to him. Shane Spray 232 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 3: painted cars and he'd previously sold a carter Sash, so 233 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: they knew each other, but they weren't close. Graham Charles 234 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 3: has spoken to Sash while he was looking for Rochelle, 235 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 3: and after the tragic news came through, Graham asked him 236 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: to break it to Shane. 237 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 14: I got a phone call from that Sash, the Rebels 238 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 14: guy or whatever it is. 239 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 12: Weird. 240 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 14: Thet thing was he was the one that actually told me, 241 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 14: and he said just warning, you know, like they will 242 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 14: probably think you're a suspect. That's that's when that idea 243 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 14: was in my head from him. I was like, what, 244 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 14: what are you even talking about? And then yeah, I 245 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 14: got a phone call from Mum and everythincoln they all 246 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 14: come racing down. 247 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 12: Yeah. I don't recall much after that. 248 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 14: We punched a few holes in walls and tried to 249 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 14: run off into the car, but everyone was high in 250 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 14: the keys and yeah, trying to calm me down, people 251 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 14: were saying to me, oh, you know, you're going to 252 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 14: be a suspect, and I'm like, what do you mean? 253 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 14: Like I loved her, I still love her, like I 254 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 14: love her like crazy, you know, I said, how am I? 255 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 14: And they're like, oh, you're the ex boyfriend. You know 256 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 14: you're a jealous ex boyfriend. I'm like, oh wow. 257 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: Really, even though Shane and Rachelle had a messy breakup, 258 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: he still loved her, and he blamed himself for not 259 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: being able to protect her. 260 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 12: Well, she wanted me to go. We were like, you know, 261 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 12: whispling up? She's you need to go and start your life. 262 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 12: And I knew she was a strong girl. But yeah, 263 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 12: I don't know. I just feel like I shouldn't have left. 264 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: But you had no idea she was in any danger. 265 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 14: No exactly exactly, I had no idea of that. But yeah, 266 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 14: still you look back now and you're like, what if 267 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 14: only you know it's only done things differently or something. 268 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 12: I don't know. 269 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 14: Nothing could change it obviously now, but yeah, it still hurts. 270 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 12: I still think about it a lot. 271 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: And how long did it take for you to pull 272 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: yourself together after this happened? 273 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 14: And oh I was a mess for quite a few years. 274 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 14: So I was like in a house where i'd move 275 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 14: with some friends at Ingleburn there, and you know, we 276 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 14: were partying and smoking pot and playing games and. 277 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 12: Stuff like that, and just yeah, it was pretty miserable. 278 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 14: Tried to, you know, just build cars and take my 279 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 14: mind off it through building cars and that. 280 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 12: But it's a pretty tough time. 281 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 14: And then I met my wife who I'm with now 282 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 14: through that house, and ye got. 283 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 12: Out of that house and moved on with moved on 284 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 12: with life. 285 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: Is she the best thing that happened to you since 286 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: losing myself? 287 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 12: Yeah? 288 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 14: Yeah, And that's the thing too, Like I could still 289 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 14: like imagine now, like Rachelle would still come over, do 290 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 14: you know what I mean, Like she was that kind 291 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 14: of girl. 292 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 12: And even my new wife like she'd love a drink 293 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,359 Speaker 12: with Rachelle, you know what I mean. Like it's it's 294 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 12: like we left a really good friends. 295 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 14: Our biggest problem was I think we're better friends and 296 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 14: not lovers, you know what I mean. 297 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 12: Like we were We're very had a lot of. 298 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 14: The same taste and cars and everything, and I think 299 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 14: we were just better off friends. So I should have 300 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 14: just stayed and just yeah, I don't know. I still 301 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 14: still blame myself sometimes, but it's tough. Shame yeah, yeah, 302 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 14: I still think about it a lot. 303 00:16:46,360 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: Sorry, don't apologize. Yeah, it's just so hard to fathom. 304 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 3: And you wrote a letter to Shane. What prompted that? 305 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: Just to keep in touch and say, you know. 306 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: You always in our thoughts and you know, I'm sorry 307 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: things didn't pan out. 308 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 14: I just wanted the best for their daughter and stuff, 309 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 14: so they could see that in me, And yeah, I 310 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 14: consider myself to be a kind person and will do 311 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 14: anything for anyone. 312 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 12: Take the shirt off me back if they need it. 313 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: Rochelle was newly single and excited about her future. This 314 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: is two thousand and one. There's no Tinder bumble hinge, 315 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: but there were online chat rooms. Can you tell me 316 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: about Nathan the guy that she met in Queensland over 317 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: the internet because the Internet would have only just been 318 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 3: emerging into garzand and I. 319 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 7: She said too, I'm going to Queensland for Easter. And 320 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, come, I'm not doing anything. So she 321 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 7: got a statesman off the lot and Lisa and her 322 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 7: and I went to Queensland. We went to the Gold 323 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 7: Coast and met this Nathan. 324 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 5: This complete stranger who we never even seen. 325 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: That's shell. 326 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I've got a goodeeling about this. Let's go. 327 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: I think this, you know, this guy sounds pretty cool. 328 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 3: And what was that road trip like with Rochelle? Was 329 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: she a bit of a character? Oh god, yeah? 330 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 7: At Grafton, at the momhile service station and just little 331 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 7: dares like she do cartwheels. We pulled over into a 332 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 7: into a cane field actually, and we got the car balled. 333 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 7: These the three women taking photos of us in the 334 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 7: cane field, and the car got stuck and we were 335 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 7: just laughing our heads off trying to get this car 336 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 7: on stuck and yeah, good signs, good times. 337 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 5: Idiots, all of us really all a little bit too trusting. 338 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 5: I do look back at that, you know, they're knowing 339 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 5: what happened to Rachelle and. 340 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: She thinking what the actual f were we thinking? You know, 341 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: driving all. 342 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 5: That way to see some guy who we did not know, 343 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 5: who could have been like, thank god he wasn't, you 344 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: know to my knowledge. We stayed in his house and they, 345 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 5: you know, had a fun weekend together and then we 346 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 5: drove back. 347 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 3: Would she have gone alone? Was she a risk taker? Now? 348 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 7: That's why she said I'm going to Queensland? 349 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 12: Do you want to come? 350 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 7: He seemed like a nice guy, and he actually came 351 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 7: to Nelson Bay later that next month or something to 352 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 7: come and see her. 353 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: It's important to tell you about the girl's trip to Queensland, 354 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: not just for the memories, but because that road trip 355 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 3: didn't go down well with Rochelle's boss at Camden Holden, 356 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: Kevin Correll. 357 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: He was sort of teaching at the robe, so she 358 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 4: looked at him, in my opinion, like a mental kind 359 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 4: of father figure. She ad taught him. She'd looked up 360 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: to him. I could see it at the way that 361 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: she interacted with him. She was very trusting and she 362 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 4: genuinely enjoyed people's company. She took the time to really 363 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: get to know people. She loved marking around with people 364 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 4: and having a joke, and she built friends really really quickly. 365 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 4: She established really good relationships really early with people. 366 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: Kevin, a father of two, was twenty two years older 367 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: than Rachelle, and it often lent her cars from the lot, 368 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 3: not a perk. Everyone was afforded. 369 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 5: My understanding, and I don't think I read between the lines. 370 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 5: I think she probably articulated this. 371 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: But he had a crush on her. 372 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 5: She navigated that relationship to her advantage. 373 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: I think from what you saw. Could Kevin have played 374 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: favorites with anyone? Did you get a sense of that? 375 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think he was doing that with Rochelle, 376 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 7: like at the time. It's sort of sometimes it was 377 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 7: like that mentoring. But I don't know more. And I'd 378 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 7: like to say father daughter, but not other daughter. 379 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 12: I don't know more. 380 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 7: Like he liked her, he liked her, It's my perception. 381 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: I don't think it was a romantic relationship at all. 382 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 5: I don't think she was remotely interested in him at all. 383 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 5: But I think he had a crush on her. But 384 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 5: he was also her boss, so I believe there's probably 385 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 5: some power play that he had over her there. But 386 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 5: she was a little aware of that and was just 387 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 5: managing that so that she could still probably work, earn 388 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 5: good money and borrow cars that she liked. 389 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: Do you think Rochelle realized that Kevin may have fancied her. 390 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 7: I think so. I do recall a conversation that I 391 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 7: can't remember. I remember standing at the door of the 392 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 7: showroom and Rachelle's shushing me because I was talking about 393 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 7: Nathan coming down and boys being at Nelson Bay, and 394 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 7: she shushed me. When she was on the phone to him, 395 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 7: So it was like she didn't want him to know that. 396 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 5: That's say I was a creepy old guy in my head. 397 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: I don't think it's normal to be afraid of telling 398 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 5: someone about your personal life if they're your boss. 399 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 7: I think that he may have said some stuff to 400 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 7: her that, you know, I hope you're not meeting up 401 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 7: with any fellas or you know. 402 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 6: I don't know. 403 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 7: It just didn't sit right with me. That's your boss. 404 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 7: He shouldn't care about what you were doing on the 405 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 7: weekend or who you were meeting or what you were doing. 406 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 12: That's your boss. 407 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: And what do you read into that. 408 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 7: Well, that's more than a boss should. 409 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: So she didn't tell Kevin that she was going to 410 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: meet a guy that she'd met online. 411 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 5: Definitely not No, that was definitely a thing we had 412 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 5: to keep secret. 413 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 3: And what did she tell you specifically about why she 414 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 3: wanted to that kept secret from Kevin? 415 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 5: There was definitely like a little bit of fear, but 416 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: fear in the sense. My interpretation of that fear, I 417 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 5: should say, was that it was just more his her boss. 418 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 5: She navigated that relationship to her advantage. I think, you know, 419 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: in terms of him lending her cars, for example, when 420 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 5: we went to see Nathan. 421 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 7: I mean, she just was a bubbling person that people 422 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 7: just were drawn to. It was a guy from Beau 423 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 7: Repairs that was our a little bit of a thing 424 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 7: for her. 425 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 5: I think he had a crush on her too, and 426 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 5: I think there was a little bit of playful texting 427 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 5: back and forth between them. 428 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 429 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: I don't know that that was going anywhere, but it 430 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 5: was I think light. Maybe Lee worked at the local 431 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: Beau Repairs tie shop. That's how we met Rachelle the 432 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 5: night before she was murdered. That had a secret rendezvous. 433 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 5: Let's hear part of his statement to police. These are 434 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: his words, but not his voice. 435 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 15: On Wednesday, sixth of June in two thousand and one, 436 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 15: I had spoken to Rochelle at work during the day. 437 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 15: We arranged to meet later that night after she'd gone 438 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 15: to her sister's boyfriend's place for a birthday party. This 439 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 15: was at Raby. During the night, I sent her messages 440 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 15: and spoke to her on my mobile. The conversation was 441 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 15: about when we were going to meet. I met up 442 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 15: with Rochelle at about nine o'clock at a picnic spot 443 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 15: at Elderly, just over the northern side of the bridge. 444 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 15: I got into her car. We talked for a while 445 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 15: and did some kissing. This lasted for about an hour. 446 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 15: I then told her I had to go as I 447 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 15: was getting tired. She then tried to start her car, 448 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 15: but because the radio had been turned on, the battery 449 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 15: was flat. I then drove her in my car to 450 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 15: Camden Holden where she got the booster pack. I then 451 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 15: drove her back to her car and we got it started. 452 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 15: She then drove off towards Bargo. 453 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 5: I then went home. 454 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 15: Rochelle spoke to me on the weekend about getting a 455 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 15: VL walk In short, which was her favorite car. She 456 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 15: told me that Camden Holden had just bought one and 457 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 15: she was getting it as a loan car. Rochelle asked 458 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 15: me if I would like to go with her for 459 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 15: a drive in it on the weekend. She said she 460 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 15: wanted to go for a drive at night as she 461 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 15: had the weekend off. She told me she was meant 462 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 15: to pick the car up Friday afternoon. She told me 463 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 15: Kevin was going to loan her the car. 464 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: I'm guessing, as you're listening to this, you probably fall 465 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 3: into one of two camps right about now. You're either 466 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: going What the hell is a walking short like I was? 467 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: Or you're thinking sick? I can picture it right now. 468 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: I'd love to take one of those for a spin. 469 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 16: The Holden Commodol v l SS group a walking shawl 470 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 16: or otherwise known as a walkie, one of the most 471 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 16: iconic Australian cars of all time, once. 472 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: Dubbed the plastic Pig. 473 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 16: A classic panorama silver blue muscle machine where it's classic 474 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 16: spoiler and ground hugging arrow kit. It looks like a 475 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 16: brick stuck on the road under the hood bos a 476 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 16: powerful fuel injected V eight engine running its idolized twin 477 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 16: throttle body intake or twin throats in common or vernacula. 478 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: The Walkie was a product of. 479 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 16: A Bogan boom that swept across Australia in the late 480 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 16: nineteen eighties. Only seven hundred and fifty walkies were built, 481 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 16: making them extremely rare and today they're worth a fortune. 482 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 16: A valuable collectible. They can fetch up to half a 483 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 16: million bucks. 484 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: That's Ben Hill, a modi mechanic who's an old friend 485 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: of the child's family. Remember he took a look at 486 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: Rochelle's old hold It. What were the subject of cars 487 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 3: Damien Loone is also interested in the walking short. For him, 488 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: it's less about the thrill of reving a sick ice 489 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: blue muscle machine and more about whether it's the key 490 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 3: to solving Rochelle's murder. 491 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 9: There's some suggestion of a walking show. She was going 492 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 9: to have a walking show for the weekend and Kevin 493 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 9: Corell from the yard, her boss, may have promised her 494 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 9: a walking shore for the weekend. That would have sent 495 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 9: her while because she's a car enthusias to particularly commodols 496 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 9: or Holden's. 497 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: How critical do you think the walkenshaw is in this puzzle? 498 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 9: Well, if it's used as a ployee to lure you somewhere, 499 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 9: then it is very significant. But have we ever found one. 500 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: We know was the used car sales manager at Camden Holden. 501 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: Rochelle's boss, Kevin Correll, wielded a fair bit of power 502 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 3: over her. There was also some trouble brewing in the 503 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: books in the background, and within days of the funeral 504 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: which he attended, Kevin was fired. Here's the car yards 505 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 3: general manager, Jim Morrison. What action did you take against 506 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 3: any employees about this fraud scandal that you uncovered? 507 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 6: All we did was take it to the detectives. The 508 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 6: business owner sort of played it fairly close to his chest. 509 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 6: We didn't make it well known amongst the rest of 510 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 6: the staff. We thought made jeopardize think, so it was 511 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 6: better to keep it low key. 512 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: Take me back to that moment when you decided, along 513 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: with the business owner that somebody had to go. 514 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 6: That was not long after Rochelle's death, one to two weeks. 515 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 6: I know there was certainly that manager's meeting which was 516 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 6: a few days after. I know the business owner he 517 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 6: had some concerns with the manager at the times, and 518 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 6: other discrepancies and things, and there's the things that I'm 519 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 6: not privy to, but he just had enough concerns that 520 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: he made the decision to terminate the person. 521 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: Were you involved in that meeting of sacking Kevin, Yes, 522 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: I was present. How did it go down? And what 523 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 3: was the reasoning you gave to Kevin as to why 524 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: he was being sacked? 525 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 6: The business owner basically controlled the meeting. I was literally 526 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 6: there as an observer. Kevin was it certainly wasn't happy, 527 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 6: and you recall that, but I can't remember what was 528 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 6: actually said at the time. 529 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: Kevin Carell has always denied to frauding Camden Hold. No 530 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: charges have ever been laid in relation to those allegations. 531 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: Kevin has also always denied any involvement in Rochelle's murder 532 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: and has never been charged. Well, hear more on Kevin later. 533 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 3: But Damien Lun, what are your thoughts on the other 534 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 3: men in Rochelle's life that were looked at closely by 535 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: police very early in the investigation. 536 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 9: When you're investigating these homicides, you always look at the 537 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 9: person who they're close to, and certainly the ex boyfriend Shane, 538 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 9: he would certainly be one of my intended targets to 539 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 9: first of all find about his alibi, etc. And anything else. 540 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 9: But there's nothing to connect him to Rochelle's homicide. So 541 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 9: I believe now that he's out of the frame. 542 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: What about Lee, the young guy from Beau Repairs that 543 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: she saw the night before she was murdered. 544 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 9: Well, here's an interesting case in this about it because 545 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 9: we believe that Rachelle saw him the previous night before 546 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 9: a homicide. Now, again, someone who has contact with Rachelle 547 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 9: needs to be looked at closely, but his movements on 548 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 9: the Thursday night could be accounted for, so he has 549 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 9: provided an alibi that's fairly well rock solid, and he 550 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 9: was cleaned very quickly. 551 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 3: And what about Nathan and internet romance? Now, he lived 552 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: in Queensland and they'd met up a couple of times, 553 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 3: but there's no evidence to link him to the crime. 554 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on this internet relationship. 555 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 9: Well, Nathan and Rachelle hooked up together via the Internet, 556 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 9: but he came from another state and it was a Queensland, 557 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 9: a long way away from where Rachelle lived. And there's 558 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 9: no evidence that ever linked him to this crime. And 559 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 9: he was quite candid and frank in his admission that 560 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 9: he'd met with Rachelle, but there's nothing to say that 561 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 9: anything untoward happened. 562 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: The night before Rochelle was murdered, Lee told police that 563 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: Rachelle had told him that she was being loaned to 564 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: walk in show from her boss, Kevin. What do you 565 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: glean from that evidence. 566 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 9: Well, we know Rachelle loved her motor vehicles and she 567 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 9: was really excited to be loaned this walk commodore, which 568 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 9: in its era was the most fantastic commodore made by 569 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 9: the Holden Group. And you have to wonder why the 570 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 9: motives of Kevin for doing that and she was very 571 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 9: excited to be having this car for the weekend, and 572 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 9: you have to understand think why Kevin would be doing 573 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 9: this and what's the underlying reasons for it. 574 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: What about the remaining poise. We've covered off Sash, We've 575 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 3: covered off Shane, the ex boyfriend, and a few other 576 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: men that we know of, and then there are two 577 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: other men who knew Rochelle. What do you read into 578 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: their evidence and why they were looked at and ultimately 579 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: ruled out. 580 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 9: There were two men and because of their contact with 581 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 9: Rachaelle via mobile phone on the Thursday afternoon, well immediately 582 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 9: would have become persons of interest in this case. Their 583 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 9: alibis were checked thoroughly and they were just friends of Rochelle. 584 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 9: They were eliminated from the investigation as any further offender 585 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 9: or offenders in the possible suspects of Rachelle's homicide. I've 586 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 9: read the statements and also read the review by the 587 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 9: officer in charge of Rochelle's homicide, and I'm quite satisfied 588 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 9: that they had nothing to do with Rachelle's homicide at all. 589 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 3: Rochelle's neighbor Bruce, was also a person of interest. What 590 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: are your thoughts on him. 591 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 9: Well, he's another one of certainly of interest where he's 592 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 9: got some sort of romantic connections with Rochelle, and there's 593 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 9: a day's secret there that he fancied her. 594 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 4: I've always been quite suspicious of Bruce because I just 595 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 4: found him. I don't know, he just always gave me 596 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 4: a bad vibe. 597 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 12: I just don't like him, and. 598 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 4: He always just sort of would turn up out of nowhere. 599 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 9: And I think Rachelle even said that she didn't mind him, 600 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 9: but she had problems with the fact that he was 601 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 9: married with a couple of kids, and he's also the neighbor. 602 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 5: I think he gave her attention and she liked that, 603 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 5: but I don't think she was interested in him. That 604 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 5: would be my take on that. I remember him coming 605 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 5: over once when we were having a girl's night and 606 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: I remember just thinking, oh, god, dude, like, I don't 607 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 5: know who you are or why you're here, but clearly 608 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 5: this is a girl's night. I'm giving you the signals 609 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: that I don't want to hear. But he ended up 610 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 5: staying and I think a right twenty three, earning my 611 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 5: own money, and I remember paying, you know, for the 612 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 5: food to be I'm like dangn my fucking food. You know, 613 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: why are you so? I remember being irritated with him, 614 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 5: and I remember just thinking, why are you hanging around 615 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 5: like nobody wants to hear? You know? But he just 616 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 5: ate food. I think he even had a whole drink 617 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 5: with us and then eventually left. But I just remember 618 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 5: being irritated by him. I had an ick factor with him. 619 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 9: He next that he had a thing for her, but 620 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 9: nothing sexual, just to hugging a kiss here and there, 621 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 9: and I think he was hoping for more. But I 622 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 9: think she told him straight away that nothing else is 623 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 9: going to happen. 624 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 5: Also sent her flowers a couple of time, which is 625 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 5: ill because he has a wife or had a wife. 626 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there was a bit. 627 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 5: Of discomfort for me with him. I didn't like, I 628 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 5: want to say full maybe falsefulness, but I just didn't 629 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 5: like that a guy thought it was okay to come 630 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 5: into her house stay somewhat unwelcomed, given that the other 631 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 5: guests clearly didn't want him there, and dine with us 632 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 5: and you know, not contribute anything. And yeah, there was 633 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 5: no part of her that was Yeah, I think into 634 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 5: him or ever thinking about pursuing him. I think she 635 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 5: just liked the idea of someone giving her attention. And 636 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 5: we've all been in that chapter. But I didn't like him, 637 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 5: didn't warm to him, didn't want him there. 638 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: And how did Rochelle react when he sent her flowers. 639 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 11: To her work? 640 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 5: I can only imagine actually how she would have reacted 641 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 5: and how swiftly she would have made up a story 642 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 5: about who they came from. 643 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 4: The thing I'm really pissed off a bit is that 644 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 4: they pulled the task force so early, and when I've 645 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 4: asked to go to Queensland, because that's when where Bruce 646 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: and his wife kind of ran off to really quickly, 647 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: they said no because of budgeting issues. But that my 648 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 4: dad has said to them before when they've said that, 649 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 4: you know, we've already spent one hundred thousand dollars on 650 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 4: your daughter's case, he said, you want me to write 651 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 4: your check. You know, we would have paid for them 652 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 4: to go to Queensland. We would have taken them to Queensland. 653 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: You know. 654 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous that it was a budgeting issue that 655 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 4: stopped them from going to Queensland and getting that evidence 656 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 4: back then when memories were fresh, and now we've got 657 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 4: to do it again. Now when it's twenty three years later. 658 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: Years later, Bruce would be cleared as a person of 659 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: interest during a coronial inquest. Here's what Ivor Davies remembers 660 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: about questioning Bruce and his dad at the station in 661 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 3: two thousand and one. 662 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 11: We've pulled in pursings a time. Unfortunately, we were really 663 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 11: really pressed and it all sort of happened one really quick. 664 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 11: So when they were going at back to the closet 665 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 11: about eight o'clock in the evening, and I'll in a 666 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 11: police station, fat I hope not just watching them in 667 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 11: the truck and the interior livens on. 668 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 13: And at this time I'm watching them because I'm thinking, 669 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 13: these guys, you're up in their neck. I couldn't hear, 670 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 13: of course, because but I can see the intense conversation. 671 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 13: It was almost like they were biking at each other. 672 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: On the next episode of Deer Rochelle, I remember saying 673 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,959 Speaker 3: to Iva Davies, you know at that time that she's 674 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: told me something. 675 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 5: I'm sure she's told me something, and I'm sure I'm 676 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 5: forgetting it. And I went out a hypnosis and I 677 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 5: would just being Rochelle. 678 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 4: So I called him and said she's missing that was 679 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 4: so weird. 680 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 11: He's not concerned at all. 681 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: Did it surprise you when the rebels bike is turned up? 682 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 4: It did, but it also reaffirmed what thought that this 683 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 4: is a red hearing place by someone. 684 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 9: There's no doubt about it. 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