WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 31 March 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:05.600 Late welcome the Late pay. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.799 Well, it's great to have your company on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.160 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:16.480 up tonight. Anthony Albanese's gaff when asked about power sharing 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.080 with the Greens or was it a gaff? We'll look 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.440 at that a little later. Plus when we look at 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.160 the papers, the Canberra Times is all upset over Peter 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.159 Dutton saying he would prefer, if elected Prime ministers to 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.440 live in Sydney rather than Canberra. Another reason to vote 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.800 for Peter Dutton. Clearly he's got common sense. Plus The 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:38.120 Australian talking about Peter Dutton's latest policy idea to ease 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.519 bank lending requirements in a bid to help ease the 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.400 housing crisis. All of that when we get to the papers. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.000 But first, imagine you wanted to do something to help 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.320 one of Australia's poor at nations, say Papua New Guinea 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.760 becomes stronger and more prosperous. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.400 Well, here's an idea with merit. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.440 What if Australian taxpayers paid for p andng's youngest and 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.560 brightest students to come here and study at our universities. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.360 Then they could go back home and implement what they'd 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.120 learned to make their own country stronger, more secure, and 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:11.160 more prosperous. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:12.240 It's a good. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:16.200 Idea, right, and it's been happening under the Foreign Affairs Department. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:20.440 Every year Papua New Guinea's brightest students are invited to 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.440 apply for scholarships where taxpayers here in Australia would pay 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.720 for their flights here, pay for their tuition, their living expenses, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.960 and even their health care. And it's pretty obvious the 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.520 sorts of things we would train these young people from 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.039 p and G in We'd train them in agriculture, in education, 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.040 and in medicine, or at least you would. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.520 Think that's what we would do. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.640 The Albanize government, however, in their infinite wisdom, are now 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.120 strongly urging these young people from p ANDNG to take 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.640 up these scholarships not to study education nor medicine, but 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:58.840 to study gender disabilities and climate. It's almost like the 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:03.760 Albanese government leave P ANDNG needs less doctors, less farmers, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.800 less teachers, and a lot more unemployed activists. And I 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.000 suppose if the goal is to help P and G 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.520 people discover what it's like to be a modern Western 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.120 nation that would. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.120 Fit the bill. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.400 I always thought foreign aid was about helping your friends, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.720 not destroying them. Now, Penny Wong's department, when asked about 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.720 all of this, said no, No, they're still free to 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.320 study education and medicine. It's just that we're broadening the 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.800 opportunities for them live and they are and that says 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.840 it in the handbook. They're strongly encouraging these young people 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.799 to do gender studies, climate studies. How does that help 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.399 Papua New Guinea progress as a nation? 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.640 It's destroying Western nations. Why would P and G students 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:45.280 want to study that. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.160 They've got to trust that any students who are hoping, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.160 obviously this is a massive opportunity for them to further 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.240 indeed selves, they'll be smart enough to say no. But 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.240 the fact that the government's trying this on is utterly disgusting. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.919 When we talk about P and G, we're talking about 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.079 a country in which over forty percent of the population 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:10.120 live beneath the internationally recognized poverty line of two dollars 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.680 and fifteen cents a day, A whopping sixty seven point 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.400 seven percent live below what's recognized as I couldn't believe 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.280 this this is the middle class poverty line of three 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.080 dollars and sixty five cents a day. And this is 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.480 how our government is encouraging their young people to dig 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:36.400 their country out of this massive generational poverty that's been 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.280 the state of P and G for countless generations. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.880 It makes perfect sense, actually, I think, because of course, 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.880 the issue is that we are worried as Australia that 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.840 you know, China might start closing up to P and G, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.360 one of our closest neighbors, and so we must do 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.120 something about it. And we've been providing them with aid 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.760 and the scholarships, et cetera to bring students to Australia. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.360 So if you give them scholarships and things that are 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.320 utterly useless, they won't be able to go back to 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.200 their nation and improve their nation, which means they'll be 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.080 joined at the hit to us. And if China ever 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.400 decides to go down there and think about taking the place, 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.960 they'll realize in five minutes flat that there's nothing worth 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.400 taking there and they'll go straight back to China. That's 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.760 the only thing I can think of as to why 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.680 you would possibly be doing this, because surely it is 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.480 in the interests of Australia. If we're talking about a 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.440 close neighbor, to potentially create a great trading partner, to 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.640 create a country next to us that is stronger and 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.680 with us, not a country that's full of students who 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:39.799 came to Australia and study gender studies and disability, et cetera. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.440 I can't possibly see what it gives to us, let 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.520 alone to them. And isn't that the whole point of 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.599 making the investment. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.640 It's just another reason why we need a Doge style 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.400 implementation here in Australia to go through all of our 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.080 government spending, because I mean, this is just one example. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.240 I'm sure if you went through all of. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.680 Our aid programs, well, the Treasure Trove dozens and dozens 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.800 of programs that taxpayers paying for that are not helping 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.800 at all, not benefiting, but ideological fantasies enacted by public 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:14.599 servants in camera. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.960 Indeed, and as we've talked about ad nauseum, China always 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.119 has deeper pockets. So when it comes to us trying 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.280 to cozy up by our friends, our neighbors, it doesn't 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.279 work anyway, because China will always have far more money 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:33.200 than us and get way further using the exact same 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:37.120 mechanism that we're trying to use, which is basically buy loyalty, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.679 which is impossible. That will always go to the highest bidder, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.360 and the highest bidder will always be China. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.800 I'll tell you something that we spend money on the 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.640 textpayer in Australia, but China does not spend money on. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.120 That's consultants. Because of course, if u jijinping, you don't 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.479 need consultants. You just need people who say yes, comrade, 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.400 if you're a consultant, I think you get bumped off essentially. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.800 If you dare to tell Gi that he is wrong 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.960 about something, he doesn't need advice. He is the oracle 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.400 of all wisdom. But we do it here in Australia 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.040 because governments aren't confident that they can make decisions for themselves, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.000 or that the bureaucrats that they are paying hundreds of 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.479 thousands of dollars to every year can't actually do the 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.000 jobs for which they've been employed, so they keep going 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.960 off to the private sector and paying people in companies 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.039 like PwC and KPMG, et cetera to tell governments what 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.960 should be done about various issues. Now, in New South Wales, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.560 the previous coalition state government paid more than a billion 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:36.920 dollars for consultants over their terms. So the men's government said, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.839 we've got to do something about this, we need to 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.640 rain this in. So today rightfully they announced what they 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.440 call the Expert Advisory Network, which is a crazy idea 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.120 where they're going to get bureaucrats who have expertise in 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.000 things and get them together and essentially used them as 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.840 in house consultants. Who would have ever thought that the 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.320 people that you've got on the books, that you were 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.320 paying with our money should be the ones looking into 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.640 how things should be done in government or revolutionary But 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.960 you know what else they've been doing. They thought, gee, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.360 we need to do an investigation into exactly what we're 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.640 spending across the public service, what we're spending it on, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.400 who we're spending it on, and how we can reduce 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.440 our alliance on consultants. So who do you think they 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:28.880 got to do the job? Consultants? I'm not kidding. KPMG 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.400 has been paid one hundred and seventy six grand by 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.000 the new South Wales state government to put together a 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.280 report on, amongst other things, how to cut consultants. This 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.040 is from the Daily Telegraph today. They say that the 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.720 New South walesh Treasury refused to say what KPMG was 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.840 going to do to earn it one hundred and seventy 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.120 six K, but said that the operational review would assess 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.000 the current operating environment for New South Wales government procurement 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.480 to ensure that it continues to support delivery of outcomes 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.160 for the people of New South Wales. Whatever the hell 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.760 that means. Well, I can't these people. You know, I've 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.680 been a journalist my whole career and I read these things. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.560 I've dealt with these responses that my entire career. Can 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.880 you just speak in a language that we can all understand? 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.040 I mean, essentially, what they're saying is we paid consultants 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.840 to tell us how to pay them less in future. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.120 It's like asking Johnny down at the tech shop what 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.160 you can do to get people to buy fewer sausage rolls. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.559 He doesn't want you to buy a fewer sausage rolls, 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:31.880 does he? He wants you to buy more of them. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.360 How stupid can we be? Mark Speakman, the opposition leader 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.400 in New South Wales, said that labor spending one hundred 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.559 and seventy six grand on consultants for report on consultants 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.560 is like a scene out of Utopia. Yet sadly this 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.240 farce is real life at the expense of taxpayers, not fiction. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.439 And it's interesting that he mentions that it's like a 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:52.760 scene out of Utopia, because now I'm meeting this evening 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.000 before we put this program to air, I said there 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.480 must be a scene somewhere in yes, Minister, and Liz said, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.559 or there'd be one in Utopia that is exactly this 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.760 when they have paid consultants to do a report into 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.520 how to have fewer consultants and I went looking for 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.360 it and I couldn't find one. So the New South 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.959 Wales government has managed to beat even the best in 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.439 the business at Lampooning. Government's unbelievable. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.920 I mean, KPMG, I've got a massive conflict of interest 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.840 here right, because over the past five years they've gotten 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.000 more than seventy million dollars from the New South Wales 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.560 state government in consultancy fees. And so now they're going 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.160 to advise how the government can use less consultants. I'm 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.080 not sure how committed they'd be to that job. But 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.600 this all arises out of an Order to General's report 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.160 in twenty twenty three because of concerns about a billion 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.800 dollars in consultancy fees over just five years in New 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.920 South Wales. And what the Order to General found was 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.040 that twenty percent of that billion dollars was spent on 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.079 consultants who had no specialist skills. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.120 They were just being used because. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.559 Well, most government employee exactly anyone could have done it. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.200 And so they found there was no strategic approach to 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.240 engaging consultants. Not only that, but when consultants were engaged, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.240 there was no management, there was no evaluation of the results, 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:18.160 and oftentimes, can you believe this, there were conflicts between consultants, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.160 so two government departments would engage the same consultant to 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.439 try and rule on a dispute. So the whole thing 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.920 was a complete mess. So as crazy as this sounds, Caleb, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.920 it does seem like our public servants do need some 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:36.200 instruction on how to engage consultants, when to engage consultants, 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.240 and when not. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.040 To and that is what this is for. It's been 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:40.720 such a mess. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.360 It's hardly reassuring when you've got a government who doesn't 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.240 know how to save, Like, how can you not know 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.719 how to save money, any flog off the street can 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.240 be like, I've got some ideas about how you can 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.160 cut spending and stop outsourcing the vast majority of the 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.720 work that we pay you guys to do. 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:01.920 But this is. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:05.440 Extraordinary timing for the Men's government because it was less 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.000 than a month ago, on the second of February, they 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.160 put out this massive announcement saying we have delivered on 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.760 four hundred and fifty million dollars worth in savings on 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:23.240 external consultants, on farming out our jobs to other people. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.920 And here we are less than a month later, and 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.679 we find out that they're already chipping away at those savings, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.680 spending even more on consultants to be like, so, how 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.040 do we cut down on these costs? I mean, was 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.319 that just obviously it was just a headline like we 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:45.520 had slash four hundred and fifty million dollars on external 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:50.640 consultants and individual contractors in our first year of government. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.240 This is just the beginning, ladies and gentlemen. And then 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.320 we find out that they're actually hiring more consultants to 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.760 find out how to do the very thing that they've 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.000 actually said they've already done. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.440 Condoms of slack if they saved four hundred and fifty 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.880 million without consultants. Imagine how much they could save with 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:06.920 we So we don't know. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:08.880 That they did that without consultative year. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:10.840 Maybe it wasn't KPMG. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.880 You've got to trust that KPMG are doing this going Uh, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.240 these guys have been our cash cow to the tune 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:17.960 of seventy million over. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.160 The past five years. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.720 I'm sure we're not amongst the consultants that they're looking 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:23.520 at cutting. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.439 I'm sure where safe. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:26.120 Well. 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.000 Peter Dutton has vowed that should you elect a coalition government, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.720 we will not be hosting COP thirty one in twenty 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:40.600 twenty six. Now this was an Albanese government promise long before. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:41.439 They came to power. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.520 They were going to be hosting this the typical thing 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:50.079 every single year where all the countries converge in one place, 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.520 tens of thousands of people in the host country facilitates 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.360 the negotiations between more than two hundred countries figuring out 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:03.720 how do we that and survive the imminent doom from 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:09.560 climate change. Well, Labor had its heartset that that place 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.480 would be Australia in twenty twenty six. Here's Dutton saying, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.520 made under a government I lead, it's not going to happen. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.120 The government's planning to spend tens of billions of taxpayers 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.280 dollars on hosting a cop process that's not going to 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.959 bring down power prices, and is going to sign a 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.000 labor government up to giving tens or hundreds of billions 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.440 of dollars out to third party countries. I mean, it's 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.320 just it's mad, So that's not something we're supporting. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.440 So to be clear, hosting it wouldn't cost that much. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.320 In twenty twenty, Madrid spent just one hundred million dollars 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.040 and in the following year Glasgow forked out two hundred 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.360 and fifty million dollars to host it, but that was 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.120 because of all the COVID stuff at the time, so 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.480 it made it significantly more expensive for them. And many 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.480 of these countries say that it's a net economic gain 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.959 when all these people pile into the country. So there's 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.200 that green tick for us if it were to go ahead, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.560 which I think it will, because we'll still have an 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.760 alb and eazy government. Of course, we won't find out 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.280 until June of next year who's hosting it. The biggest 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.080 steak is Turkey, who reckons it's going to have it 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.000 at all costs. But what Dutton's talking about there is 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:26.000 collectively countries do get together and commit tens of billions 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:30.560 of dollars to Pacific island nations and other poorer countries 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.440 to combat climate change, to which I. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.200 Say, Australia would be doing that anyway. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.920 Every year we send our contingent and every year we 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.920 promise billions of dollars to this and I genuinely don't 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.800 believe that that would be any different under a coalition government. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.240 It hasn't been in the past and it won't be 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:52.840 under a Dutton led government. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.720 It seems to be the cost in hosting COP is 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.920 not staging the event. That's just putting on an event. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.680 And sure you get there economic benefit of what thirty 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:07.000 thousand people flying in in their jets using avgas and 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.400 staying in all your best hotels and eating all your 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.240 steak and so on. But the real cost is proving 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.840 your climate credentials in order to be voted as the host. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.680 So Chris Bowen at the last COP conference committed two 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.400 hundred million dollars US from Australia for climate financing. There 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:28.200 was fifty million dollars for Australia Pacific Partnership for Energy Transition, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.200 another fifty million dollars for responding to loss and damage 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.600 through climate change, and all of this was done to 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.880 demonstrate that we are serious about climate change and therefore 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.200 worthy as hosts in twenty twenty six, which will be 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.760 a wonderful opportunity for Anthony Albanesi and Chris Bowen to 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.800 grandstand on the world stage. But then the other cost 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.400 is having been approved as a worthy host, then you've 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.800 got to be a worthy example, right, So you can't 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.520 really host KOP thirty one and not contribute above and 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.120 beyond just the average amount of money. So the cost 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.479 is not in staging the event, it's in winning approval 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.400 to stage it and then providing an example as the 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.280 host country that the government are going to blow huge 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.320 amounts of money on this for a grand standing opportunity. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.800 It's not going to help Australians, as Peter Dutton said, 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:18.920 it won't make a scrap of difference to our lives, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.080 except there will be more money going out the door. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.120 Well, just send him a copy of any Australian's power 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.920 bill over the last couple of months. I think that 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.800 or to show why we deserve to have it, or 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.920 where we've done more for climate change than any other 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.040 bugger on the face of the earth, haven't we. I 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.360 think we should have it free of charge, given what 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.120 we're paying through the nose to help climate change with 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.440 renewable energy. I mean, you know, agent, it's all good 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.360 will to have a laugh about these people who care 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.200 on about climate change and then fly in on their 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.880 private jets and talk about the carbon emissions of cows 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.440 and eat the steak and whatever. But you know what, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.400 I don't really care if it's a conference that brings 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.560 some economic benefit into the town, like government's pump money 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.480 into sports or whatever other events. I couldn't really give 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.080 a toss what it is. And you don't really have 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.960 to prove how great your economic credential. You're non economic 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.760 given some of the countries that have having it don't 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.679 have to prove economic credentials, and nor does this government 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.600 happening your environmental credentials because because you know, this year 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.080 COP thirty is being held in Brazil and they're not 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.199 entirely sure how to get all the attendees to the 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:21.840 place where it's going to be held, So you know, 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.400 what they're doing they're cutting down swathes of the Amazonian 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.680 rainforest to build a highway so they can transport them. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.000 So if you can do that in the name of 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.320 helping the environment by hosting COP thirty, that I can't 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.639 possibly see how we need to spend a cent or 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.720 do anything in order to deserve to get it. I 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.280 think we should be issuing and good Honest, I just. 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.760 Don't even know why we're even having these shindigs anymore. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:52.479 The Trump administration has pulled out of the Paris Agreements. Okay, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:58.040 nothing we do can possibly compare to the might of 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.720 the Americans when it comes to but in climate change, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.880 they're the biggest emitter. For crying out loud, that're right 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.639 up there with China and India. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.280 So when you've got America. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.119 Saying we're pulling the plug, we're not doing any of 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.560 this crap anymore. We are simply putting America first. We're 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.600 doing whatever it takes drill, baby, drill. We're doing whatever 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.240 it takes yay fossil fuels to get cheap energy, to 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.480 get manufacturing off the ground. We are going to be 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.080 We're going back to the roaring days of American manufacturing. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.480 Once you've had that happen, it's like the penny hasn't 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.240 dropped with anybody else. They are so committed to this 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.600 ideology they can't even see that whatever you do from 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.360 here on in is utterly useless. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.400 You mentioned one of the other great hypocrisies of climate policy, 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.680 and that is China, of course, who are regarded as 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.240 a developing nation, despite the fact they've got nuclear weapons, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.880 they've got a space station for goodness sake, and they're 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.600 bullying first world nations, including Australia, and yet somehow they're 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.520 developing and they still get exemption from a lot of 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:05.000 the climate regulations that apply to US. China last month 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.040 had three warships conducting live firing exercises off the coast 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.280 of Sydney, and this month, in a story broken by 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.399 our colleague Sharry Marxon on sky News dot com dot AU, 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.120 the Chinese have got a research vessel off the coast 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:23.680 of South Australia doing reconnaissance. Now, this ninety four meter 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.480 research vessel can map the ocean floor, which would be 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.439 very handy in the event of conflict if you needed 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.080 submarines to traverse through that area of the ocean, if 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.480 you wanted to cut under sea cables. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.800 Or even plant mines. But don't worry about it. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.440 Anthony Albanesi, just as he was all over the low 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.920 firing exercise, is all over this one as well. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.200 Here he is speaking today. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.320 What we have done is we continuing to monitor it. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:56.080 We won't, for obvious reasons, broadcast everything that we're doing, 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.440 but we're keeping an eye on this as we do. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.600 As we do well, what does monitoring actually mean? 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.160 What it means is that the Australian Defense Force are 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.240 monitoring what is happening. It's going from New Zealand. We 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.520 expect it to go around to China, around that way. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:15.760 Australia. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.360 Of course, what it's doing. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.240 I would prefer that it wasn't there, But we live 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.840 in circumstances where just as Australia has vessels in South 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.200 China Sea and vessels in the Taiwan Straight and a 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.240 round of a range of areas, this vessel is there. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.680 I'll tell you what it's got to fit you with confidence? 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.240 Doesn't it about our national security? 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.359 When asked what does monitoring mean, Anthony Albanesi replies, monitoring 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.439 means monitoring, so that's encouraging. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.800 Does that mean we've led the domestic Virgin Airline pilots 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:48.720 for cheap and I. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.760 No, no, we're doing better than Virgin Airline pips. We've 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:52.680 got a piano. 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.840 Cruse okay, monitoring and keeping the ADF informed. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:59.840 And then of course asked if he was concerned, he's 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:01.880 I'd prefer it wasn't there. 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.520 And as for Australia having vessels in the South China Sea, yeah, 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:07.400 but they're not spying on the Chinese. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.440 And if they were, do you think. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.680 That the the Jiji pig would say, well, I'd prefer 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.479 the Australians weren't there, honestly, and these guys do not 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:16.159 have a clue. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.600 And do you think we're floating boats into China's Exclusive 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.040