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Speaker 1: Now today we've got a real truth in a suppose

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Speaker 1: in a country that's dominated by ball sports, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about cricket, rugby union, rugby league AFL, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Tom Slingsby is the name you might not know a

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Speaker 1: not just not just in Australia but worldwide. Tom's won

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Speaker 1: He is the CEO, and he sails in the Sale GP,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds. He's won, He's won Sydney to Hobart's. He

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Speaker 1: sailed with some celebrities on there have good stories about that.

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Speaker 1: But the amazing thing from a sports from a ragby

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Speaker 1: league perspective is people don't know that Tom provided the

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Speaker 1: narrative and the inspiration for the Brisbane Broncos to go

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about all those things. So

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed. I know you're gonna love it. Tom Slingsby, Hey, Tommy,

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Speaker 1: welcome brother. You've you've made it. You finally made our

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Speaker 1: our wardrobe.

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Speaker 2: Here in the It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I love what you've done with a chalet John's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it used to be a sauna.

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Speaker 2: I did it really? Yeah that.

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Speaker 1: Don't listen to me.

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Speaker 3: How far where do you come from? Where are you

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Speaker 2: Living in Mossman now was Yeah, I've been living overseas

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Speaker 2: in Gosford Gosford Boy Yeah, rough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're growing up like it has. It has

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Speaker 1: changed a lot, no doubt about it. But such a

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Speaker 1: great joint up there in Central Coast. It's just a

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Speaker 1: shame that they do with everything they can to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unbelievable there, and I remember growing up my

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Speaker 2: I've got such fond memories growing up there and around

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Speaker 3: What was the There was a night club in Gosford,

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Speaker 3: wasn't It wasn't a club Trup Club Trop that's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time in Australia alcoholic jelly high times.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and you're saying Bolt wasn't he at the

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Speaker 3: Mariners there? He was?

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Speaker 2: He was, He was around No, I actually met him

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Speaker 2: a long time ago the two thousand and eight Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Actually I had breakfast next to him one time. But no,

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Speaker 1: Playing soccer just shows that God doesn't give you everything.

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Speaker 3: Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Now we first met Michael McGuire had an appreciation you

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Speaker 1: bonding over this guy who was honestly Walter Goggins. This

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Speaker 2: He definitely did. I think it was over just spotting

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Speaker 2: And then I think you said something and said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I've just done the I've just done the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I run through the numbers on all the teams this year.

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Speaker 1: But you know your team, Galcos Titans going to come last? Right?

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Speaker 1: And was that true? Is that right? And and then he

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Speaker 1: Now, Tommy, in the podcast, we're going to cover off

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Speaker 1: There's just so many to talk about, but yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: But what they didn't know is that you were the

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Speaker 1: how firstly the relationship between you and Madge? How did

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Speaker 2: I met through mutual friend Anthony Bell. Yeah, Anthony gave

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Speaker 1: And it was around that it was the twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: So the twenty thirteen America's Cup you didn't have to.

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Speaker 2: They just reduced the nationality rule. It used to be

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of experience seeing it a lot

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Speaker 3: How do you like, I imagine leading into a race,

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Speaker 2: Ninety five percent is on the fly. You'll come up

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Speaker 3: you is like, no, I'm not talking about, but i'd

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Speaker 3: talk about, like would a watch that shows your current

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Speaker 2: We've got wind instruments on the boat and it gives

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now the real question have you been to jail.

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Speaker 3: They in sport, people talk about like momentum when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I'm such a big I love sports psychology

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Speaker 2: We went out won those two races, then the next

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Speaker 2: I actually, I generally don't I remember getting told it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a Michael georgism, isn't it. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And then we just got that. And then

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Speaker 2: We're all just sitting there just going, how good is this?

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Speaker 2: I've got your back. I'm not going to make a

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Speaker 3: It's fine, I can I can see why. I can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a lot of them and yeah, I

435
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,399
Speaker 2: mean some of them said yeah. Like a couple of

436
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: them were saying, yeah, look, we started counting on it

437
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 2: too early, but thinking that they were going to just

438
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 2: get the win nine to one. Some of them were saying,

439
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 2: we saw exactly what you saw in that we could

440
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 2: see that it was turning quick. The tide was turning quick,

441
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 2: and you guys were starting to get faster and faster,

442
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you broke even. And

443
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: some of them at eight one said to well, I

444
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 2: remember chaining to one of the guys. He said, I

445
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: brought it up at eight one that these guys are

446
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 2: now faster than us and we've got to do something

447
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: really right here to be to win this. And but

448
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: I remember him saying the alarm bells weren't listened to

449
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 2: wow that hey, no, just keep doing what we're doing.

450
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: It's over, Isn't that funny? Like the like the when

451
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: you become't when you're like when you're when you're the

452
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 3: front runner being hunted by the people who the people

453
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 3: who were coming, you know, the hunting versus hunted, Like

454
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 3: they're constantly trying to get better, find ways evolve, get

455
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 3: better every day because they feel like they're behind the

456
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: eight ball. But then when when you're coming first or

457
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 3: you're ahead of the pack, you're just you're so not complacent,

458
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: but you just don't want to make a mistake, so

459
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 3: you don't look to get better.

460
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 2: You just go, let's keep what we're evolving. What got

461
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: you there is by that constant evolution in any sport,

462
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: no matter if it's surfing, rugby league, sailing. The people

463
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: who are climbing the ladder are just constantly evolving, improving,

464
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: fixing their weaknesses and improving everything. And that's what gets

465
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: you there. And that's what you've got to keep going

466
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: like it's you've got to keep that same mindset and process.

467
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: Otherwise the leader, if he stays the same, he'll get caught.

468
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: It's just the way of life, isn't it funny. It's

469
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: like talking about psychology. It's what you steer at sometimes

470
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: and you're saying, there, oh, you know, like we don't know,

471
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: don't make mistakes yet. I imagine there were some some

472
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: mistakes made, but it's almost like don't fear mistakes, like

473
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like that's almost more accurate. Let's

474
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: just get out there. We're going to race really aggressive

475
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: and less not fear error. Let's just go after it

476
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: where the Kuwei's are ahead by a long way as

477
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: suddenly they're trying to be perfect and they're treading on

478
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: eggshells a little bit talking about that, how that underdog

479
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: mentality sometimes sounds so simple but it's really hard to capture.

480
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: It's a mindset thing. I'm probably made just as many

481
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: mistakes as I did before that, but it was kind

482
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: of that.

483
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 3: Like we've got each other's back aggressively.

484
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm not going to mistake make a mistake

485
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: of you. I know I'm not going to make a mistake,

486
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: but it was like kind of like, Okay, if I

487
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: make a mistake, he's got He's got me. Now he's

488
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: going to make sure it doesn't turn into something bigger.

489
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean that's the I just think there's

490
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: so much momentum in sport with like getting a role on.

491
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: If you get momentum and you get that role, that

492
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 2: just it spreads like wildfire through a team where you

493
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: just sort of sort of go, no, I've got you,

494
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: let's just keep doing it.

495
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: At what point did you know you had them? Was

496
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: it eight three? Eight five?

497
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: I thought at eight five was the number I remember going.

498
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 2: I remember I think it was the first time I

499
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 2: said to the team said, we're a faster boat. Now,

500
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: if we don't make mistakes, we will win this. And yeah,

501
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean there were still people who were just sort

502
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: of on the let's make him lose money, yep, and

503
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: that worked for them. And there were people like me

504
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: who were like, no, we're going to win the America's

505
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Cup here, We're going to pull off great sport comeback

506
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: and people, but we're all motivated all the same.

507
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: And yeah, the Americans are like so parochial, so patriotic.

508
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: How are the celebrations after it and how how did

509
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: the country react?

510
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was huge. I mean it was one of

511
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: those things Sailing isn't obviously, isn't it a big sport.

512
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: It's not hugely followed. But in America when we were losing,

513
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: we were the defenders of the America's Cup, and then

514
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: we were losing the America's Cup, They're like, it's gone.

515
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: But the event went over three weeks or so, and

516
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: so after the first week it's like, oh, they're going

517
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: to lose it, and then the second week they're mounting

518
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 2: a comeback.

519
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: This is pretty cool, everyone jumping on board.

520
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 2: And then everyone jumped on board all of a sudden,

521
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: like there was no clear spots on the foreshore. There

522
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: was like there was just completely full. And by the

523
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: end of it, Yeah, there's just a huge momentum wave

524
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: and yeah, skippers asking him to talk on sort of

525
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: good Morning America and all that before racing, and just

526
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: everyone's just sort of got behind it because they could

527
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: see that this could potentially happen.

528
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 3: How do you ask about the celebrations how in I

529
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: suppose a team sport, usually there's like some sort of

530
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: mad Monday. What did you sailors get up to?

531
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? They I mean, drinking like sailors is a thing.

532
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: I was going to say that because drinking and swearing

533
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: like sailors, it's not myth. Yeah, I remember that night.

534
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: We had a really good time. I was I was

535
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: just completely empty the tank over the three weeks. I

536
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: started getting sick about five or six days before the

537
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: end and was just like trying to hold on and yeah,

538
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: and I remember I was sick for like the next

539
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: week in bed after it, and it wasn't actually the hangover.

540
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: I actually left the Hulfter party early, which is rare

541
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: for me, but I was just so cooked for three

542
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 2: weeks of just being fried all day. But I mean

543
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: it's something We've still got group chats from that time,

544
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: and if I ever see one of my teammates from

545
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: that America's Cup, it's just like you walk up and

546
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: give them a big hug and just like you've been

547
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: through something like amazing together.

548
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: That's surprise, isn't it.

549
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something you remember forever and the bonds you form.

550
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: How'd you feel when, Yeah, that the Sydney Harbor that day,

551
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: You're about to jump on a boat your lifelong Broncos

552
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: fans and look you're speaking to a group of almost

553
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: thirty rugby league players. Were you're nervous beforehand?

554
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was really nervous, and I don't really do

555
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: public speaking much anymore. And I met Madge on the

556
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: dock and said, hey, mate, like, what would you like

557
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: man talk about? I don't really do much of this,

558
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: And Mattz just said, look, we've got an unbelievably talented

559
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: group of people. I think we've got the best team

560
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: in the comp But for some reason, we're just not

561
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: gelling and we're losing to teams we should lose to.

562
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: And at that point, actually they were losing leads.

563
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 2: They the following night after I did this talk, they

565
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: actually were fourteen mierl up against South I went to

566
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: the game and they and they lost Lattrell field golf

567
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: fifty meter field goal and they did that sneaky try

568
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: in the last few seconds. But yeah, they sort of

569
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: just were not sort of gelling as a squad, and

570
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: they were struggling in the second half, and he said,

571
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: I just I want to just try to unify the guys,

572
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: and so he asked me to talk about the America's

573
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: Cup and how'd you guys band together and what was it?

574
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: And so yeah, and then I sort of just got

575
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: on board and I just sort of went with what

576
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: I thought.

577
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: How did the players react? Like, did you up there talking?

578
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes when I guess will come in and speak to

579
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: a team, you know, the boys might ask questions or

580
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: you can sort of see the leaders in the team

581
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: sort of stand up. Could you notice any of that

582
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: when you're on that.

583
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: Back Yeah, yeah, the same sort of thing. I mean,

584
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: it's not like I have a prepared speech. I'm literally

585
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: getting up and winging it and I've got I'm talking

586
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: to these guys for sort of half now forty minutes,

587
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: so I was trying to make sure I don't go

588
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: into sailing terminology and stuff like that and things that

589
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: they could actually relate to. But yeah, for sure, like

590
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: Pat Carrigan stood up a few times and asked questions,

591
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of the guys actually were asking questions.

592
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: And it's hard to know whenever you do a public

593
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: speaking gig. You're just like, just did that actually enjoy that?

594
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Or was it?

595
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: Were they just not there? But just as soon as

596
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: I finished talking to them, I had a beer. They

597
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: were all on the waters, but I had a beer

598
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: and was just chatting with them and they were asking

599
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: me a heap of questions after it finished. We're on

600
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: the boat for like another hour before we went in,

601
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: and they're asking a lot of questions. And then that

602
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: made me think, Okay, actually I think they really enjoyed it.

603
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you were part of that not we had

604
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: the dinner you mate said, you're part of that team,

605
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: You're part of that run. Yeah, you bought in emotionally

606
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: in the players to what you said, how you must

607
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: have felt proud of doing that. That was just that

608
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: last six weeks of the Broncos. The way they played

609
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: their comebacks is some of the most amazing stuff I've

610
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: ever seen. Like the Canberra game, you do not get

611
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: a more dramatic game in that. What was it life

612
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: for you to sort of observe all that?

613
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, firstly, I get a lot of people go, oh,

614
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: you were part of the reason they made that comeback run,

615
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: and absolutely not was. I. I mean I happened to

616
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: chat to the guys like at a time where they

617
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: started to turn things around, but as I said, they

618
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: lost the next night, so I couldn't have been that inspiring.

619
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: But they the team did it themselves with Madge, they

620
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: were the ones that turned around. I just happened to

621
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: be there at a similar time. But I'm a mad

622
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Broncos fan my whole life. Like nineteen eighty eight, first game,

623
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: I watched my dad and all my family and Manly supporters,

624
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: and Dad's like I think I was four years old,

625
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: and Dad said, you've got to this is our team.

626
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: You've got to support Manly And I said, I'll go

627
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: for whoever wins this match, and the Broncos trounced them,

628
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: smashed and that was their first year in the camp.

629
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: And as simple as that, I became a mad Broncos

630
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: fan and I got all the years of Alfie and

631
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: all that and the great years. Yeah, the runoffs and

632
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: the Walters and Runoff and Willie Kahnt and you've.

633
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Had some tough years as well.

634
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, smooth sailing last nineteen, haven't. I think you're.

635
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: Underselling yourself there a bit too top. Like I get

636
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: that they probably got beat the next night. Takes time

637
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: for those sort of you know, learnings to sink in sometimes,

638
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: but you look at that final series opposed to how

639
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: early in the year they were losing on a lot

640
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: of leads relative to your America's Cup story. Every final

641
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: series they were down at halftime, like you guys ate one.

642
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: I imagine a lot of those boys, the learnings and

643
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: messages that you taught them, just being able to stay positive,

644
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: stay in it, keep trying to you know, like your

645
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: strategize and get better. Because every single one of those

646
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: finals games they're down at halftime, looked, they look down

647
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: and out, particularly in that Canberra game, and they come

648
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: back in like the last ten minutes amazing and they

649
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: come back with all this momentum like a freight train.

650
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: They win all those games.

651
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean watching that was just unbelievable. I was

652
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: in Europe the whole finals part, and so I was

653
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: streaming wherever I was, but that was unbelievable. I mean, yeah,

654
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Canberra twenty eight twelve down at half and then to

655
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: win after they lost it twice. Essentially, it looked like

656
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: that was one of the most amazing games. I remember

657
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: my friend had watched and I had to go sailing

658
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: and came back in. He's like, I'm not going to

659
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: tell you what happened, but sit down, quiet room. Watch that.

660
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: And then Penrith four time winners and then down four

661
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: was at fourteen, Miil at halftime, came back and won that,

662
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: and then twenty to twelve or something in the against

663
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: Melbourne and that those teams. I was just like shocked.

664
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, whether it's true or not. Madge

665
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: sort of pulled me aside before that, and we've been

666
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: texting and stuff and chatting, but before that dinner and said,

667
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: look what you said really resonated. He said, halftime, there's

668
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys are hitting each other saying

669
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 2: eight one eight one where we go. Well, I don't

670
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: know whether it's true or not. Mad just trying to

671
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: sort of pump my ties up, but I hope but

672
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: it sort of did help them. But maybe like after

673
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: the especially after the camera game, I was like, Okay,

674
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: now they've got the belief in that momentum, and like

675
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: I remember going into the final after they beat Penrith

676
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: and then they're down there again. In the they go

677
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: into the Grand Final, I said, Melbourne are going to

678
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: have to be twenty thirty points up at halftime for

679
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: them to actually think they're going to beat them. Yeah,

680
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: because what they just did to Camber and Penrith, I

681
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: was like, they're on such a run here that you

682
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: just can't stop that momentum and like the belief, and

683
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: I mean normally a team when they're down ten to

684
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: the Melbourne Storm, it's just over. Yeah, that's right, but

685
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: they just yeah, it's so cool to see that. It

686
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: was so inspiring as well, like even like obviously the

687
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: team did unbelievable, but like some of the runs by

688
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: Reese woldsh stuff like that, you just that running did

689
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: where he scored yeah under the post five defenders and stuff.

690
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: I was like that had me like jumping up and down,

691
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: but not so much for the try but for the

692
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like you watch how much they get behind

693
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: them here now, like watch this team push.

694
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: Now infning with Reece Reese's both the people look from

695
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: the outside in and go, you know, he's a flash

696
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: Harry and he is, but he carries it. It's a

697
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: new generation and I just think it's so good for

698
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: the game. It's just so charismatic at what he does.

699
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: Did you A lot of people see it from the outside.

700
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: They don't realize what a sweetheart he is or how

701
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: much he actually really loves the game. Did you form

702
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: did you have much to do with Reese?

703
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: No, he was injured and he didn't come down. All

704
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: his runs had zero to confirmed.

705
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: We'll just cut that. Your career sale GP, which is

706
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: a huge international event with sailing, formed in twenty nineteen.

707
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: You guys have been the most successful one. You're you're

708
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: your CEO CEO. Well you're going ownership to in in

709
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: Bond's Flying Rules.

710
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm a part owner and the driver.

711
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: Three times champion Now my right, and says Hugh Jackman

713
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: and Ryan Reynolds are bought in as well. Yeah.

714
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, they bought the team June last year.

715
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So Bond's flying rules. Are we talking Bond's

716
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: clothing or Alan Bonds Bond's clothing.

717
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: They're a sponsor, They're our title sponsor.

718
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: So Hugh Ryan and Hugh bought the team in June

719
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: and they wanted to announce with a partnership, a big partnership,

720
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: and Bond's right place at the right time to sort

721
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: of jump on and become titled partner. And so yeah,

722
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: do you announce you wear them? Yeah? Wear them every day?

723
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: You got one.

724
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: Now here we go again.

725
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: Can I ask a little question. I want to ask

726
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: you to talk about currents and we were speaking about

727
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: Alcatraz before. How common is it for either a boat

728
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: to flip due to like heavy currents or people to

729
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: get flung.

730
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Off the boat Back in the day, very common to

731
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: fall off the boat. And funnily enough, if your YouTube

732
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: oracle team you say capsize in you might even come

733
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: up with Alcatraz. But if you put that in, it'll

734
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: come up with a video of us in a seventy

735
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: two foot catamaran, a massive boat capsizing right near our

736
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: Coatraz and we capsize there, and really dangerous situation and

737
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: somehow we all sort of got out of it. But

738
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: the boat gets pulled by the current out into the wind.

739
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: So usually when the wind's blowing this direction, you go

740
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: with the wind, you get blown down wind. But when

741
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: the currents going against a wind, it sort of the

742
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: current overtook us and pulled us out underneath the bridge

743
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: and five miles out into the ocean.

744
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

745
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: As we're trying to recover this boat and pull it

746
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: up right, Yeah, there's a YouTube video on it, but

747
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: you've actually been like capsized in the Alcatraz War, Yeah,

748
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: swimming around. Yeah, and we're trying to salvage this boat,

749
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: which yeah, just disintegrated basically as we're trying to It

750
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: was the first time a boat like this had capsized,

751
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: and we didn't really know how to write the boat properly.

752
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, we destroyed a ten million dollar How cold

753
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: is the water? Oh? Waters icy there as icy. It

754
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: was seventh of October, I remember, so I was just

755
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: coming out of summer, so I probably wasn't as bad usually,

756
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean there's all sorts of animal life

757
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: out there too, And yeah, we're in the water just

758
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: trying to sort of save this boat.

759
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: Have you ever had an experience with any sharks out

760
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: in the water.

761
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've had a few run ins. I'm on

762
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: the water all the time, so I see them a lot,

763
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: and see with the invention of hydrofoiling, I see a

764
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: lot more now than I ever used to because there's

765
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: no waves hitting the boat. It's silence when you're up

766
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: on hydrophils, it's really quiet. Sometimes a little hum from

767
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: the foil, but sharks and fish and stuff don't hear

768
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 2: you coming anymore. So there's times how you can sort

769
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: of just go along and you can get really close

770
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: to a shark before it realizes that it's there. But yeah,

771
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: I've had plenty of around there.

772
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: I just spoke to two days ago with the hydrofoil

773
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and we're having a chatter there. Something got around the

774
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: shark's price, surprise, what's been going on lately around here,

775
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: which has been quite tragic, terrifying, And he said to me, I.

776
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Forget.

777
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: I said, you see much out there? And he said

778
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I never used to, because he said I was on

779
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: the board and things like that. He said, but now

780
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: because I'm like the hydrofoil, he said that.

781
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 2: Everything everywhere every week. It's one of those things like

782
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: you see drone footage of like surfers and stuff, and

783
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: they have no idea, but this has been They've been

784
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: there forever, but we've never actually noticed it. But I

785
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: mean there are a lot of its time.

786
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: It's like snakes right like you walk through a bush.

787
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: There are more snakes than anyone would actually realize. But

788
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: they hear like they hear your vibrations come and they

789
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: sort of scatter around. That's snakes vants. But like your man,

790
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Mick Fanning, that's what makes it so much more is

791
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: out there on a board in the middle of the thing,

792
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: and then the sharkest taxi punches.

793
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: On live on camera.

794
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that?

795
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: I was watching that live? How cold?

796
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: Like that could have gone so bad for live TV.

797
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: My brother's got an eye for the dramatic. And anyway,

798
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm laying there in bed watching some some movie actually,

799
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: probably Law and Order. Mate, it's a whole different story. Honestly,

800
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: I've seen every episode six times Trician Law in Order

801
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: c S I Miami. Anyway, but he ranked Joey rings

802
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: me and as I said before, he's got the he

803
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: has the eye for the dramatic. He may turn it

804
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: over and surfing fuel too. V Mick Fanning's just been

805
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: eaten by a shark and I was like, are you

806
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: fucking serious? So we waked it over and I thought,

807
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: thank god, yeah, for God.

808
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: That was Then he called me and said the same thing,

809
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: pass it around, Yeah, do you just before we move off?

810
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: Mick Fanning and surfers. Obviously, surfers have got to be

811
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: like very well equipped swimming but also breathing wise, because

812
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: you know, they get wiped out, they're under there sometimes

813
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 3: three minutes. Do you guys do a lot of that training.

814
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: We do a lot of it, like just in case

815
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: you end up under there.

816
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a lot of safety training. Basically, a

817
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: friend of ours in twenty eleven, Andrew Simpson Bart Simpson,

818
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: we just call him. Yeah, he got trapped under the

819
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: boat and drowned in a capsize. It capsized sort of

820
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: similar to the one we had I was just saying

821
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. And since then, yeah, the sports sort

822
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: of changed that this sort of extreme. It's an extreme sport.

823
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: Now what we do we sort of rip arounded over

824
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: one hundred k's hour and these boats that when they

825
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: come together. There's a lot of image, but we've now

826
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: got on. We do all the training. We get sort

827
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: of held underwater by divers and then you go for

828
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: your air and they rip the air out of your

829
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: hand and you've got to think on the fly, Okay,

830
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: how do I get out of this situation. We do

831
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: a lot of that training, but we've got impact this.

832
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: We've got spare air bottles which that leads right to

833
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: our shoulder. We've got knives to cut our way out.

834
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: We've got helmets. Yeah, and we do a lot of

835
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: training and recently there was a month ago there was

836
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: a crash in Auckland between the New Zealand team and

837
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: the French team. Again you could probably say that on

838
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: YouTube and it's pretty bad crash, but one of the

839
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: guys had to use this. He was caught underwater for

840
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: a long time and had to and use his spare

841
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: air bottles and stuff. So it's it's a very sort

842
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: of we're all acutely aware that it's a really risky

843
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: sport and we have to be on top of our

844
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: on top of our safety because at one time it

845
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: happens to you and you're not could make the difference.

846
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: It's funny, Tommy, a certain point doesn't matter what the

847
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: sport is. I imagine a big wave of surfing with

848
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: those guys what you do even rugby league where you

849
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: let go of physical fear and all the fear is

850
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: fear of failure. But does physical fear still exist with

851
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: you with sailing?

852
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm the driver of our team,

853
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm the CEO, but I'm responsible for my guys. I mean,

854
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: if it was just me, and especially before I got

855
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: married and they had kids, yeah, I would like if

856
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: there's the tiniest if my boat's nine meters wide, and

857
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: these cats, if there's nine meters and once in a meter,

858
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: I'm going for it. And I sort of had no fear.

859
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Now it's weird. I'm older and race We're still successful,

860
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: but I do hesitate a little bit more. And it's

861
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: not as much because of me, but it's because if

862
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, like I've got to go to the

863
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: wives of the kids of these guys and say, look,

864
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that was my mistake. Shouldn't have gone for

865
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: that gap and this happened. So, I mean, I think

866
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: it's I'd love to say I always like this saying

867
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: from Anton Center, if you see a gap and you

868
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: don't go for it, you're no longer a racing driver.

869
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: I'd love to say that's what is, but I actually

870
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: do hesitate a little more than I ever used to,

871
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: and maybe that's going to be just my natural progression

872
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: where I age out of the sport. I'm at forty

873
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: one years old, and yeah, my results start going down

874
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: because of this. I'll take myself off the boat quicker

875
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: than anyone, But yeah, you do. My fear is just

876
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 2: hurting my team.

877
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy Olympics to a minute achievements. You want a

878
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: gold medal in twenty twelve, first of two. About two

879
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: thousand and eight Beijing, you went in as one of

880
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: the favorites or number one seed and finished twenty second.

881
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: How much did that weigh on you?

882
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was huge for me and it sort of

883
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 2: formed a lot of my career after that. I honestly

884
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: don't think I'd be as successful now if I didn't

885
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: have that. I was a favorite. I think inside sport

886
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: put me as I was the top athlete that people

887
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: to beat your house on leading into that Olympics. I

888
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: hope no one did that.

889
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: As we were talking about the psychology of sport that

890
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: does a little switch in solidis as well.

891
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I was twenty two years old when in

892
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: I'd won every event in sailing. I was sort of

893
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: the young sort of up and comer, and I won

894
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: the two previous world titles, hadn't been beaten in nine

895
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: months leading into the Olympics, and I hadn't finished outside

896
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: the top three in three years. And I went to

897
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: the Olympics and finished twenty second, just completely choked. So yeah,

898
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: that was brutal. I mean at that time, I actually

899
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: was having a lot of mental health problems. Even leading

900
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: into the Olympics when I was winning everything, I was

901
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: having a few mental health problems as well. But in

902
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: what in two thousand and seven, I sort of I

903
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: remember I was. I kept thinking I wasn't sort of

904
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: well in the head. I was just sort of a

905
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 2: little bit depressed, and I kept thinking, Okay, but if

906
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: I win this world title, that'll make me happy, because oh,

907
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: and that'll make me happy. Then I'm okay, And then

908
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: I'll win that world title, and then I'm like, I

909
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: don't really feel much different, and then okay, well you

910
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: haven't won this World Cup event. If you go win that.

911
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: You've won all of them. I'll go got to win

912
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: that one. I'd go win that one and nothing would change.

913
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: And then I just yeah, I wasn't in a great

914
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 2: space for a while there and then and then I

915
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: went to those Olympics, going Okay, well, if I win

916
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: the Olympics, surely that's going to fix my problems. And

917
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: in the end it obviously didn't. Well I finished really

918
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: badly twenty second, choked, and I was actually quite depressed

919
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: for a while after.

920
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: Did you put all your happiness into like a saline

921
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: achievement result?

922
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: That was it?

923
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: Result based?

924
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? What did that?

925
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: Four years from and eight to twenty twelve next Olympics

926
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: at London? So what did you figure out about yourself?

927
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: Like what did you sort of look elsewhere to gain

928
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: sort of happiness?

929
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've realized that results aren't going to

930
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: make me happy, Like even if I remember thinking, even

931
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: if I won this Olympic, so it's still not going

932
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: to make me happy, I don't think. But I just

933
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: started for whatever reason, whether it's mates or girlfriends or

934
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I just got in a much better

935
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: place after it. I sort of had to dig myself

936
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: out of that hole and go, Okay, I've got to

937
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: find the joy and everything again here. And it's two

938
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. I had a year where I just

939
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: I'm just going to enjoy myself. I don't care how

940
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: I go. And I during two that nine I had

941
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: terrible results, but I turned it round and I started

942
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: going okay, and now I enjoy myself. And then I

943
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: started sort of embarking on the twenty twelve campaign and

944
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: just going okay, like, yeah, I'm going to win this thing,

945
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: but I'm going to enjoy the process, and yeah, yeah.

946
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: Just funny.

947
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, it's funny, and

948
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Jack and people in sport will

949
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: recognize this. And I say to young rookie footballers and

950
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: they're going first time, I said, really enjoy these rookie years.

951
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I said, because the expectations are low and you're the

952
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: youngest guy on the squad and you're going along, and

953
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: I said, this is in a lot of ways the

954
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: most fun you'll have. It seems like for you you

955
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: went through that period and all of a sudden, then

956
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: it's all about the pressure of winning, and that two

957
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: thousand and nine's almost like a reset and start again.

958
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: It was what went right for you in twenty twelve.

959
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: So the venue, so I won't go into two thousand

960
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: and eight. The Olympics are in China. There's no wind

961
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: in China, like there's no sailing events in China. But

962
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: the Olympics isn't going to move for sailing, so they

963
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: put a venue on. There's a place called Chin Dao

964
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: in China, and there was basically no wind, and so

965
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of weight lost basically was the

966
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: way I am now about eighty eight kilos and I

967
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: dropped down to seventy three kilos, lost way too much weight.

968
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 2: I was getting sick. I got glenne La fever before

969
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: the Olympics, and then yeah, and then mentally I just

970
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: wasn't there twenty twelve Olympics. It's in London. And then

971
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: the venue there was a place called Weymouth, two hours

972
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: south of London. And the first time I went and

973
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: started in Weymouth was in two thousand and nine. And

974
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: I got there and I just went sailing, and I

975
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, this is what it's about. This

976
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: is there's wind, there's big waves. It's just a real

977
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: sailing location. And that sort of just go, Okay, this

978
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: is Beijing's in the past. Now I'm going to win

979
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: this one.

980
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: As a twenty two year old back in Beijing as well,

981
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: being like I've been expected to win. You know, you're

982
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: the favorite, and at this stage you're twenty two. You're

983
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: still young.

984
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: You know.

985
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: At that age a lot of athletes and people are

986
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: probably are reading into media and the best saying is

987
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: you're never as good as you go, and you're never

988
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: as bad as you go. And when people are hammering

989
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: in the media, they either they accentuate both ends. Did

990
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: that have an effect on you as well as a

991
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: twenty two year old, like were you did that pressure

992
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: of expectation?

993
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: If I'm honest, no, I twenty two years old. I

994
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: just sort of busted through every hurdle that I'd ever

995
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: been given. They said, okay, you're not going to win

996
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: the Olympic Trials. We've got Michael Blackburn who got bronze

997
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: before that, he's going to win. One person per country

998
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: goes he's going to win the trials. And then I

999
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: like went and won the trials, and then I won.

1000
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: I remember just I used to use fuel anyone telling

1001
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: me I couldn't do something I was just that that

1002
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: young guy who just goes tell me I can't do something,

1003
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: and then I'll be up at four am training the

1004
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: next morning, like doing things that no one else will

1005
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: do to make sure I prove you wrong. And that's

1006
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: that was how I went into those Olympics. I was like,

1007
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: you guys said I wasn't going to win a world title.

1008
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: Now I've got two. And I went into those Olympics going,

1009
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: you're saying I can't win in this venue China going

1010
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: to I'm going to smoke it. And I just and

1011
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: if someone offered me a silver medal the morning before

1012
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: those Olympics, I would have said no, Like that was

1013
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: my mindset. There was no for me. Second as always,

1014
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: that's it's a loss. And I just remember, I remember

1015
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: someone actually asked me before those games, would you take

1016
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: a silver medal right now?

1017
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 3: I said absolutely, no way, Ricky Bobby, Yeah, that was

1018
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: first to last.

1019
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: Coup of Thinks is documentary.

1020
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: No, they made it after me.

1021
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: What do you before you get go and get on

1022
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: the boat on those really big occasions, get yourself in

1023
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: the mood. What do you do you listen to music?

1024
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: I'm super chilled. We have music sort of going and

1025
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: I just walk around laughing, chatting, joking. We've got you

1026
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: got heaps of people with their headphones on and sort

1027
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: of pacing up and down.

1028
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: So you so we're talking about you won America's Cup.

1029
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: You want to go mid of the Olympics, Sydney to Hobart,

1030
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: winning the Sydney at Herbart skipper in the Sydney at Herbart.

1031
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Where does that the three of them? Firstly, I'll last. Firstly,

1032
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: is that the most Is that the most difficult race

1033
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: in the world? Do you think?

1034
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it's the toughest race. Actually, the

1035
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: Volvo Ocean Race where you're around we used to be

1036
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: called the Volvo Ocean Race. You race around the world.

1037
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: That was the toughest races around the world.

1038
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you do stop in certain locations, but there's

1039
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: times there where they do a couple of months sort

1040
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: of before they hit land. And when it was a

1041
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: race with identical boats, I think it was back in

1042
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, it meant that the teams are like,

1043
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: it's not one of those things where there's boats like

1044
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: miles ahead of you. They're always like right next to

1045
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: each other. So the guys were just like not sleeping

1046
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: for days on end because they got to like, no,

1047
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: we got to push, We've got to get ahead of

1048
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: this guy. I think that was the toughest race that

1049
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: sort of ended. And now they do have an ocean race,

1050
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: but it's probably it's in much faster boats. They do

1051
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: a lot quicker I think for a single race right now,

1052
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: I think the roles you now, but it's the toughest

1053
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: one going round.

1054
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, twenty third in the first time you did it, yes, yeah, yeah.

1055
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: And on board you had and of course you know

1056
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: some of the boats carry celebrities on the you had

1057
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: Carl Steffan Avik, Larry Ender, AAU boss, Phil war and

1058
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: a for legiend Jude Bolton. How did they go?

1059
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: They're actually that the group that you are saying did

1060
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: really well. I mean, if I'm honest, I mean you

1061
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: have all sorts of celebrities. You have, yeah, your TV personalities,

1062
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: you have your footy players, you have, yeah, all sorts

1063
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: of people. But I mean the footy players, I've got

1064
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: to say there, they can't do much. They can't steer,

1065
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: they can't trim the sails, they can't do any of

1066
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: these things. But moving the sales around on a boat

1067
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: like that is really tough. They weigh hundreds of kilos,

1068
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: so you need eight people on the side of a

1069
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: sale and just go, hey, guys, we've got to move

1070
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: this up there. And the footy players always sort of

1071
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: got stuck in and go, okay, this is where we'regan xcel.

1072
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: We're big, we're strong, we were good with teams, and

1073
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: they go, so we'll just go, hey, warri It, get

1074
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: your boys that needs to go there, and Warrior go,

1075
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: Minie KB, Jude Bolton, whoever it is, let's go boys.

1076
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: Like this is when we have to do our part.

1077
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: And they are actually really good. So people say that

1078
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: we're sort of just with the loyal program. We're just

1079
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: taking celebrities and you must just they mustn't do anything.

1080
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't the case like they actually did help out

1081
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: a lot, and even Carl and Larry and stuff like.

1082
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: That underta a hilarious that so high lower.

1083
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: But they had us in stitches. But they're all putting

1084
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: in like this because there's certain jobs on the boat,

1085
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: especially these big hundred foot boats, where it's just manpower.

1086
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: And so even Sally Fitzgibbons and Aaron Molan came and

1087
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: they just go, Okay, what can I do to help him?

1088
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: Whether it's even just coiling ropes for the next deployer

1089
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: of a sale or something like that, they were in

1090
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: there doing that.

1091
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: Kurt. I interviewed Kurt firmly. He told me when he did,

1092
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: he sitting at a hobart. And of course, Kurt, people

1093
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: don't know he's a Paralympics champion and he has no legs.

1094
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: He's in the chair. But he just went right, I'm

1095
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: all in for this. And he said they went down

1096
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: below and there was all these chicken chicken legs and

1097
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: the blokes are just eating them, eating them, tearing it,

1098
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: and like the experience is going, hey, boys, steady on it.

1099
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: He said, all the guys went upstairs, you know, like

1100
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: the celebrities and the athletes. Next week, they started vomiting

1101
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: all over the deck. Anyway, Kurt came up and actually

1102
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: just slipped in it. He was basically the boat was

1103
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: going side side. He was actually like a bowling ball

1104
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: going backwards and forwards for everybody's vomit.

1105
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true that.

1106
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: Outside of food sickness on the chicken legs as well,

1107
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: But I imagine like people not used to being on

1108
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: boats going that quick, is there a lot of seasickness.

1109
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot of sea sickness. I even get a

1110
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: little bit seasick on you. So I get so sick

1111
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: on power boats. I don't know what it is. It's

1112
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: the role of the boat. On a yacht, I haven't

1113
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: been sick, but on a powerboat, I get, but I

1114
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 2: get a little bit, sort of feel a little bit wheezy.

1115
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: I've never been properly sick racing. But yeah, And the

1116
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 2: problem isn't the seasickness, because a lot of people get sick,

1117
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: a lot of great sailors. It's a guy called Chris

1118
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: Nicholson who's a like sailing legend, and he gets He's

1119
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: done the Wolver around the World race many times, so

1120
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: he spent like years of his life off shore. He

1121
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: gets seasick all the time, but he just learns to

1122
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: deal with it and manage it. But the problem is

1123
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: when the celebrities get seasick, they don't know a They

1124
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: panic and they don't know where to go. You've got

1125
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: to go to the back corner and you've got to

1126
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: make sure you're vomiting off like not into the wind

1127
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 2: down and where it could and if you have to

1128
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: go on the boat, where's the place it could actually

1129
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: wash off? They just go wherever it is. And I've seen, yeah,

1130
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: the celebs who gets sick, like you just feel so

1131
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: sorry for him because it's the worst feeling in the world.

1132
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 3: But I remember we had my mate's twenty first birthday.

1133
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: We had We had it on a boat like always,

1134
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: same thing, America's fanships.

1135
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: Same You think you've got a tough We were eight

1136
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: to one beers down when I came back.

1137
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, Tom, the conditions out there when we

1138
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: were there, and we had the unforgiving We were actually

1139
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: around Watson's Bay, but it was we had to go

1140
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: really close to the headland because there was a storm

1141
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: coming anyway. I don't want to get too far inot.

1142
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying was everyone got sea sick because

1143
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: obviously everyone was really drunk. But my mate's dad, I

1144
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: don't want to name who it was, but my mate's

1145
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: dad because he was he was a footy player twenty first.

1146
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 3: He had swallowed all the seasickness tablets because apparently you

1147
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: get a really good high from it. Hang On, hang on,

1148
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: hang on.

1149
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: He can't to me and offered me.

1150
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: Offered me multiple sea sickness tablets and a red Bull

1151
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: because it gives you a wicked high, in his words,

1152
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: And then so wheneveryone got seasick, he'd had all the tablets,

1153
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 3: so no one could have the medication. I haven't seen

1154
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: that much spew.

1155
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Like in my life.

1156
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: Was he okay?

1157
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: He was fine, He didn't know who he was. He

1158
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: nearly was levitating.

1159
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: He got it, I reckon he got no hangover as well.

1160
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: He could have grown wings and flow.

1161
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Tommy, you're saying forty one years now and you're starting

1162
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: to go okay, you know my hitting that twilight? When

1163
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: do you think you know? Or how can I? How

1164
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: can I say this? Do you think by the time

1165
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: you declare and you done, will it be a sadness

1166
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: a relief? What do you think?

1167
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: Ah? It's well, there's things like I only recently have

1168
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: I started looking back on my career. I've always just

1169
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: head down, Like even after the Olympics, I came back

1170
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: to Australia for one week and then flew to San Francisco,

1171
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: and the Olympics were a memory. I'm like, Okay, what's next,

1172
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: What's next? And my wife recently said, you've got to

1173
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: start enjoying it and like enjoying the especially when you

1174
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: get a win, like enjoy it because you're going to

1175
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: be you're going to retire and you're going to look

1176
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: back and go, jeez, I wish I wasn't a concentrated

1177
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 2: on the next thing straight away. So I've started enjoying

1178
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: the process a lot more. With sailing, especially the way

1179
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: the sailing's gone this is it's kind of a new way.

1180
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: This so our GP racing now if people haven't seen

1181
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: it and have a look on YouTube, but it's not

1182
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: the sailing of old, so there's no we're all still

1183
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: learning what the actual age sort of on a sailing

1184
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: career is. There's a couple of guys who retired Jimmy

1185
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: Spithill and Aussie and Ben Ainsley retired around the forty

1186
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: seven forty eight range who are drivers for each position.

1187
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: That's a bit different. The grinders, they're the physical power

1188
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: on the boat. They might have to retire a bit

1189
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: earlier if physically they can't keep up. My role. It's

1190
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: about agility across the boat, so I've got to be

1191
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: pretty fit, but it's mainly decision making and ability to

1192
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: make split second decisions and not hesitate. I was talking

1193
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: about how I start to hesitate a bit if I

1194
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: start doing that too much. If I sit there and

1195
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: I've got a situation coming and I'm contemplating it and

1196
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: my competitor takes the move off me, and I'm like,

1197
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: why didn't? I was too slow on that. I'll be

1198
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: the first to sort of put my hand up. But

1199
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm forty one. I think I've got at

1200
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: least five more good years, really good years left. But

1201
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: once you're in your forties. Now I'm the oldest driver

1202
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: in the fleet. It's one of those things like in

1203
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: any sport. Now, from this point on, if my results

1204
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: start to go down, people will just start questioning me.

1205
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: I think it's the same in any sport. People will say, oh,

1206
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: he's not as sharp as he used to be. I yeah,

1207
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: And it's going to be results driven. Yeah, I mean,

1208
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: because if the noises saying get him off, get loud,

1209
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: I'll like, I'll leave. But it's we won the competition

1210
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: three the first three year a sour GP and we've

1211
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: had two seconds. We've made the final three five years straight.

1212
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: No other team's done that, So I don't have those

1213
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: people sort of knocking on the door and with their

1214
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: pitchfork saying okay, replacing with someone younger yet, but that

1215
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: will come over the next time. We'll go through a

1216
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: period of bad results and people will depending on my age,

1217
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: if I'm forty two, then it might not be is loud,

1218
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: but if I'm forty five, when that happens, they'll just

1219
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 2: be loud of voices.

1220
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: Look at Volkonovski, he's what thirty seven.

1221
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: Just take respite, you know when it comes to things

1222
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 1: like social media that Tom, people are kind.

1223
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. I can. You're ever feeling down

1224
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: and you have a bad race, and she should just

1225
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: go and look at the comments and definitely hick you up,

1226
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: very humbly.

1227
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what though. So you're forty one.

1228
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 3: Now you look bloody good for forty one. We saw

1229
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: your patrolling out the front as well. He didn't couldn't

1230
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: find the mouse. He was just lurking through the street.

1231
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: And I said, Jesus, looking good for what do you want?

1232
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: Appreciate it?

1233
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: What's your secret?

1234
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: Tom?

1235
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm a ranger and I'm in the sun every

1236
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: day of my life, so yeah, I don't have the

1237
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: great skin get.

1238
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: Then does work, and Trisha is doing she injects Salmon's

1239
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: spin a semen under her rye and I tear, what

1240
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: my god, she looks she looks so much younger.

1241
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: So let's let's get a class on that. On that.

1242
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tommy, congratulators, congratulations, unbelievable career, good luck going forward

1243
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: sale GP. And you know, like you said before, that's

1244
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: an amazing story. You know, to be eight one down,

1245
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: win nine to eight and provide the inspiration for that

1246
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: Bronco side. My question is going to be where part

1247
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: owners of the Gold Coast Titans, have you ever come

1248
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: from fifty to one down come back