WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 23 may 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.800 Lateens General, Welcome to the Late Bay. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:08.000 Well good evening. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.480 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond. If 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.720 you thought that portrait of King Charles was bad, and 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.360 it was, wait until you see what an artist has 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.400 done to Princess Kate will show you that shocker a 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.080 little later. Plus, when we look at all of tomorrow's papers, 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.920 Melbourne's multimillion dollar sobering up centers are sitting empty, and 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.680 Anthony Albanesi refuses to rule out enforcing an arrest warrant 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.360 if indeed one is issued against the Israeli Prime Minister. 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.680 All of that a little later, but first let's talk tennis. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.440 Australian tennis star Nick Curios will not be playing at 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.800 Wimbledon this year. He's injured, so instead he'll be providing 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.320 commentary with the BBC, and that decision has sparked outrage 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:55.520 amongst conservative politicians and women's activists. They say having Curios 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.200 as a commentator on the BBC is tantamount to endorsing 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.360 violence against women. Now, the problem is that Curios pleaded 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.480 guilty last year to shoving his ex girlfriend. Now a 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.440 magistrate dismissed the charge saying the incident was low level 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:14.160 and there was no suggestion that there was any danger 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.600 of it happening again, but that was of no consequence 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.400 to Curios's critics. Conservative MP Caroline Noakes, who's the chair 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.800 of the Women's and Equity Committee in the UK Parliament, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.319 she slammed the decision, saying and I quote the BBC 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.480 should hang its head in shame at disappointment. It's a 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.240 disgrace and shows the utter contempt our national broadcaster has 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:42.160 towards women. Another activist, noting that Curios has previously retweeted 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.840 social media posts from Andrew Tait, whom some regard as 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.520 a misogynist, said and I quote there are many potential 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.040 wimbled and pundits out there. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.640 Why choose to employ an abuser? 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.360 Another activist said it's amazing how quickly we're willing to 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.120 dismiss violence against women, as long as the men and 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.520 perpetuating it is good at hitting a ball or a 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.320 musical note. Now, for the BBC's part, they said they 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.440 didn't approach Curios until well after the court proceedings were concluded, 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.160 and besides, as a current player and former Grand Slam finalist, 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.200 he'll provide great analysis and insight. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.000 So let's start with you, Liz. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.640 Should Curios be commentating with the BBC or should he 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.000 be banned from the platform because of that court case 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:28.560 last year. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.120 I don't think you should be banned whatsoever, but it 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:37.200 does definitely open up the much bigger question of how 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.480 long should something like this affect a guy's career if 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.680 it all So, the incident in question happened over three 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.000 years ago now, and I think even using the term 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.320 abuse maybe a little bit misplaced here, because it was 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:54.160 an altercation. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.360 She would or wouldn't get out of the car. 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.200 He would be in her apartment. They had a disagreement, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.639 and he was trying to leave, like he was actually 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.920 trying to extricate himself from the app acumen in an 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.040 uber and she went him in the way of the 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.160 car door so he couldn't shut it. So he shoved 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.840 her shoulders, by which he meant move get out of 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.120 the way. Yeah, and she fell over. I mean that 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.400 was the basis of this supposed abuse claim, I don't 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:21.119 think exactly. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:25.240 So we're now hearing abuse and assaults thrown around, and 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:25.960 how could. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.919 You give such a platform to such a man? 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:33.040 Now, there are certain circumstances in which that's a very 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.520 necessary conversation to have, but this is not one of them, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.480 and the BBC coppy flack for it. Like the MP 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.800 that you just quoted, this is just way out of context. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.960 And what it actually does is take away from the 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:49.840 cases in. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.560 Which that is a re very relevant question. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.640 To be asking, and we ask it every time we have, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.120 you know, AFL player or an NRL player grace our 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:04.280 front pages having behaved very poorly, whether it's behavior toward 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.440 women or whether it's a big night out on the town. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.280 Involving drugs and sex and rock and roll. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.160 But this is not one of those cases, and that's 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.760 what they're trying to make it the equivalent of. And yeah, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.840 the reason why it really gets my goat is it 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.039 takes away from those cases in which it's absolutely a 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.520 necessary conversation to have it, but a little bit. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:28.920 He trivializes it, right. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.560 But I think this whole shabang proves exactly why Nick 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.320 Kurrios is the perfect guy to be commentating for the BBC, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.200 because he is a walking controversy machine, right And it 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.560 doesn't matter whether you like tennis or not. Everyone knows 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.520 who Nick kurios Is and everyone at some point has 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.799 watched him play, and everyone has thoughts on Nick Kurrios. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.640 Some people love him, some. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.000 People hate him. And I used to hate him, and 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.279 I've sort of he's grown on me in recent years 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.719 because the one thing I've always hated about curios is 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.359 that he is so talented, right, he just has so 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.120 much abundant natural talent. But because he's got so much talent, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.839 he's never felt the need to put in the work 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.080 to take it that little bit further that would make 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.919 him one of, if not the best, in the world. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.800 I mean, he's a Wimbledon finalist for heaven's. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.479 Sake, right, he is a seriously good tennis player, and 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.080 if he just took it that bit more seriously, I 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.400 reckon he could have won Grand Slams and done so 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.359 much better than he did. And that frustrates me. But 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.240 everyone has a thought about Nick curios And you know, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.960 just like on the tennis court, when he's in the 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.240 commentary box, he's not going to pull his punches. He's 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.920 going to say the things that other people wouldn't dare 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.039 to say. He's going to make criticisms that other people 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.880 wouldn't make, and that's what you want in a sports commentation. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.080 You'd watch the tennis to see him play. You'd also 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.839 watch the tennis to hear him commentake exactly just on 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.400 him as an athlete. My son played basketball with him, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.960 just a game of street ball that curios happened to 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.080 be there, and my son, who's not shabby on the 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.920 basketball court, reckoned. He is just an unbelievable athlete, said 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:10.960 he was a total freak. But this is the problem 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.520 when sports organizations start taking a stance on different issues. 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.320 The AFL have just had a problem with this because 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.360 they've just taken a big stance against violence against women. 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.480 It was around the same weekend that Wayne Carey was 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.920 going to be inducted into the new South Wales Football 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.320 Hall of Fame. Now Wayne Carey's got his own pass 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.359 to deal with and so all of a sudden that 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.800 was a big no no. So sports organizations do get 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.600 into this problem where do we honor someone purely for 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.280 their sporting ability and ignore character issues or are character 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.919 issues relevant when we're honoring them or giving them a 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:46.479 platform to commentate or receive awards for their sport. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:48.320 Yeah, and it becomes that whole are they a role 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.240 model thing. But you know, seriously, he shoved his girlfriend 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.320 when he was trying to get away from an argument. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.159 I don't think that's the problem here. But I'm getting 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.880 the popcorn out because Nick Kirios in the commentary box. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:01.160 If this is any. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.839 Start to what his career is going to be like, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.240 there will be fantastic. Let's go to South Australia now 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.839 and let's talk about payroll tax, which it has to 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.600 be one of the worst taxes in the world. It 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.920 is a tax on employment and you'd think any government 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.560 anywhere would want any. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.400 Business to employ more people. 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.760 But if you employ too many people and you pay 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.880 them too much in this country, you get penalized for 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.760 doing so. Last year, multiple states or every state in 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.680 the country now started charging doctors payroll tax. Previously, it 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.720 was thought that doctors were largely exempt. And the problem 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.880 here was that in medical centers where doctors rent rooms, 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.080 the medical center pays for the receptionists and they pay for. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:46.080 The nurses, etc. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.360 But the doctors are essentially contractors. They're not employed by 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.680 the medical center. They rent the room to work in there. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.400 So the medical centers figured we don't have to pay 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.400 payroll tax on those doctors. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.920 They're not our employer. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.160 Then there was a case in the New South Wales 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.239 Supreme Court that said no, you do have to pay 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.760 that tax, and all of a sudden, medical centers all 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.040 over the country were up for hundreds of thousands of 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.240 dollars in tax that they never thought they'd have to pay. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.360 And that means medical centers closing down. And we all 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:17.840 know how. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.880 Difficult it is to get a doctor's. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.400 Appointment now, a littlone, a bulk build doctor's appointment without 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.320 even more places closing. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.840 So South Australia. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.360 Has come up with an ingenious idea which is that 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.960 we will exempt doctors who bulg bill from having to 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.960 pay the payroll tax. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:36.600 Take a look. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.520 This is the Health Minister of South Australia, Chris Picton, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.040 announcing this policy today. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.160 I think this is an excellent arrangement which helps to 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.880 make sure that our gps are sustainable and helps to 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.320 incentivize practices to Bob Bill. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.280 And sure we all want to incentivize practices to bug Bill, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.080 et cetera, et cetera, but let's talk about what this 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:02.439 really is. State Government's reduced a new tax. Then they 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.120 came up with a way for people to not pay 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.600 that tax, and they called it a tax cut, and 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.200 that is exactly what the Health minister said today. He 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.839 said that this was tax relief. I'm not sure you 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.720 really can call a tax relief when you brought the 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.360 tax in last year, then you come up with a 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.079 loophole and you go, how good are we We've come 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.000 up with a way. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.800 Not to pay the tax anymore. You didn't have to 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.720 levy it in the first place. Like sure, there was 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.680 this Supreme. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.440 Court case in New South Wales that said that medical 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.240 centers are liable to pay payroll tax. But every treasurer 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.760 in the country the next day, with the stroke of 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.840 a pen, could have just said, our revenue officers are 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.400 not going to collect the payroll tax from doctors' offices. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.960 They could have done that, but they chose not to. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.960 And now they've patting themselves on the back for finding. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:53.959 A way to find people, well, look, you know, do 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.640 not pay the Is it a tax cut or is 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.800 it an embarrassing admission of ranking competence, Because of course 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.280 that policy has meant a lot of people can't afford 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.080 to go to the doctors. So imagine making sick people 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.120 pay more to go to the doctors, not just in 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.040 the middle of a cost of living crisis, but in 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.679 the middle of a hospital's crisis in South Australia, in 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.400 the middle of an ambulance ramping crisis. It was a 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.040 terrible policy to begin with. But what they've done is. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.680 Payold tax across the board is a terrible. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.000 Point, particularly in this instance. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.240 What they've done is they've set you on fire and 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.440 then when you started screaming, they've sprayed you with water, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:25.800 and now. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.040 They want gratitude for it. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.480 Well, that's government in a nutshell, Mac. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.600 But you would have thought that essential services at least 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.240 should be no payroll tax across the board. We're talking 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:44.120 about people seeking medical help, GPS, trying to do their job. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:45.760 And here we have this. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.440 Oh no, you guys, your heads are in the same 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.079 noose as everybody else's. Payroll tax is one of those taxes. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.760 The more you try to learn about it, the less 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.520 it makes sense. And it is genuinely just the government 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:03.800 pocketing more money. It's incurred by everyone. Everyone thinks, oh no, 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.720 it's really the employer that incurs the cost, but they 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:13.240 already add all that up and therefore probably it's side 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.480 your wages accordingly and put up the prices of their 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.280 product accordingly. So it is another tax that is actually 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.560 incurred by everyone. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.120 It just makes me absolutely mad. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.640 It makes no sense whatsoever except for as a massive 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.800 revenue raiser, which is of course its main purpose in life. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:37.000 But let's talk about vegan dog food because a manufacturer 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.120 is being sued by coming up with a dodgy batch 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:46.760 of biscuits that killed seven or that's seven dogs, seven dogs. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.080 Sorry dogs, I'm more sorry about your owners thinking you're vegan, 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:55.719 what a big mistake, and making sixty dogs seriously unwell. 0:11:55.960 --> 0:12:01.320 The people who sold these dog biscuits have paid out 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.080 two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars in damages to 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:11.240 thirty three dog owners. So now they're suing the manufacturer. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.679 Saying, cough it up, bucco. These dogs' lives are on 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:15.480 your heads. 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.440 It's going to be really interesting to see how this 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.800 plays out and how much money they'll get for it. 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.320 But the point is, what are you doing feeding vegan 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.440 dog food dog abuse to your dog in the first place. Look, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.240 I don't want to say your dog deserved to die, 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.880 but if you are feeding vegan dog food to your dog. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:35.880 Do you not think that. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.800 Maybe a carnivorous animal at some point might suffer some 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.760 damage from doing that, Like dogs are not naturally meant. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.120 To eat vegan food. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:47.960 Well, I love me's. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.800 The RSPCA on this, by the way, Like we've known 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.280 since time immemorial. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.640 Dogs eat meat, It's what they do. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.920 And then these brain dog owners get it into the 0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.360 head of. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.760 Oh no, no, mine, mine's special. He's vegan like me. Clips. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.560 So just before you show the clip, I think you 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:07.720 just hit the nail on the head. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.199 They want to make the. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:12.400 Dog vegan like themselves, and that explains why they've done it. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.760 They have suffered a mental decline brought on by withdrawing 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.400 from meet themselves. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.000 And now the dogs everyone. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.080 Exactly sorry to interrupt you carry on. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.120 Check out this clip on a morning show in the 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.120 UK with this woman had bought on her oh so 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.439 vegan dog and was extremely proud of that fact until 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:36.280 the hosts presented said vegan dog with the choice of a. 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.760 Bowl full of meat a bowl full of edgies. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:43.600 And they've got two balls here right, One is full 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.600 of vegetables and one is full of meat. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.400 Store storm. We hit to put the temptation in front 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.079 of you. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.840 She's obviously going to go obviously, Oh are you little? 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.079 Yes, I didn't swear. 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.280 And there is natural. 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.360 Selection, and there is natural selection. 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:06.760 Yes. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.040 Indeed, God knows how long that poor dog hadn't even had. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.200 A whiff of meat. It managed nostrils. It was probably like, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.079 oh my gosh, all my Christmases have come at once. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.800 If you want a vegan pet, you don't get a 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.200 rock wheeler, you get a rabbit. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.280 Seriously, these people should be done for animal abuse. I'm 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.560 sorry you asked where the RSPCAS. The RSPCA is too 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.840 busy trying to ban jumps racing and not finding illegal 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.920 knackeries out at woggle Wogger I think is what they've 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.120 been up to. But if you are going to keep 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.880 your dog as a vegan should the dog should be 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.160 taken away and given to someone who will. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:42.840 Actually look after it. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.400 And you should be prosecuted for animal abuse because it's 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:50.240 just unnatural to force a helpless animal, and you know, 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.280 we know what dogs are like. People have tried it 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.280 with cats as well, But the good thing about cats 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.120 is that they're smart enough to run away and go 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:57.880 and find their own food sources. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:14:59.360 When bring your. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.800 Back, we bring back the dead rad on the bird. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.440 But we know with dogs that they are reliant on you, right, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.400 and you are abrogating your responsibility to that animal by 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.280 not feeding it the stuff that it is naturally bred 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.880 to eat and that it needs for nutrition. There is 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.520 just no excuse whatsoever. It's like people who try to 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.920 make their babies vegan and it's like, yeah, it has 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.360 and kids have been killed because of it, right, and 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.720 I wouldn't be surprised. Sorry, if there are dogs out 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.320 there that end up, you know, malnutrition because of female 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.320 who feed them vegan food. It is absolutely disgusting. If 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.040 you there's probably they have too many vegan viewers, to 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.840 be honest. If you're watching this on YouTube or elsewhere 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:45.680 and you are a vegan dog owner, just know that 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:47.960 you are scum of the earth, and please take your 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.480 dog to the pound so someone who will actually look 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.480 after your dog can take it and give it. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:53.200 A nice life. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.840 Please. Vegans are likely to get their vegan dogs. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.560 Recording themselves doing CrossFit and boasting about it on social 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.360 media the next thing that they would do. I'm not 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.520 sure if Cate Blanchette is vegan, she probably is but 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.040 she seems to be pretty pro Palestinian. Check her out 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:13.160 at the Carnes Film Festival overnight parading on the red carpet. 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.600 Was it a fashion faux pa or was it a 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.520 pro Palestinian protest. She's wearing what seems to be a 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.920 fairly simple and elegant black dress, but when she lifts 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.000 up the back of it, underneath the dress it's green, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.840 and with the white back and of course the red carpet, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.960 it looks very much like she's making a deliberate protest 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.120 on behalf of the Palestinians. This was a raging debate 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.120 on social media. People weren't quite sure. What's your take, Caleb, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.080 optical illusion or do you think Cate Blanchette is making 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.640 a protest? She's not immune to protesting different social causes. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.400 No, and the argument has been made at the back 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.640 of the Dreas is actually a pale pink, so that 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.720 somehow means that it is in no way related to 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.160 the Palestinian flag. I tend to think that if if 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.280 you have gone to the effort of showing the green 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.240 bit with the white bit, knowing it's on the background 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:11.640 of the red carpet, that it probably was a subtle message, right, 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.720 And she has signed petitions calling for ceasefires, etc. So 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.600 I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that what 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:19.280 she was doing. 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:20.600 If that's what she was. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.480 Doing here we are talking about it, right, she has 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.639 achieved her goal, which is to create discussion, and I 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.560 suppose in that case she has garnered herself a win. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.080 But it's a very clever way of. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.359 Doing it without actually coming out and saying pause, you 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:35.800 willn't not. 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.040 Just cowardice as well, Like if you were going to 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:44.119 use your platform Can's Film Festival. These photos are circulated 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.720 around the globe. They're on the front of magazine's papers. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:48.360 You name it. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.160 If you're going to send such a big signal, why 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.680 wouldn't you just own it, tweet it, say something when 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.600 they interview you on the red carpet. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.040 She knew the color of the background leave. It's the same. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:05.680 Every year, so choosing the colors in her dress it 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:07.520 does seem pretty obvious. 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.600 But then my argument is, yet we just. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.920 Go the whole old Kate, just say so, say where 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.359 you stand? Was your way of taking a view without 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.320 taking so much of a view that you might. 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:19.240 Get any pushback? 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.720 Or upset anybody, you know, people who don't support hamas 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.120 terrorists or believe in a two state solution, because those 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.960 of us with a single firing neuron, no, it's not 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.719 any kind of solution. But we know our Kate tends 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.640 to be a lefty. She was very vocal last year 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.480 about voting for the Voice in the referendum, and this 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.320 is something that she's actually quite upfront about herself. Here 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:50.440 she is explaining that, yeah, I'm probably a lefty. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:55.200 I mean, I'm white privileged, I'm middle class, and I think, 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:56.959 you know, one can be accused of having a bit 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.479 of a white savior complex. But to be perfect honest, 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:06.920 my interaction with with refugees in the film in the 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.679 field and also in resettled environments has totally changed my 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.520 perspective on the world. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.800 I don't know about Cate Blanchette claiming to be middle 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:18.479 middle at all. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.640 You're middle class. The rest of us. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.280 Are in pops, We're I think she surpassed that a 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.199 little bit with the group she hangs with. Maybe maybe so. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.520 But the funniest. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.120 Thing about it all, I think is it. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:36.320 Is just such a typical example of the way that 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.600 celebrities like to carry on about social issues, right, Because 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.239 you're right. List, if she wanted to do something, not 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.160 only could she come out and say something, I mean, 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.919 she could get on a plane and go over to Gaza. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.040 And help distribute the. 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.160 To the refugees and whatever she wants to do over there, right, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.520 But she doesn't do that. She rocks up to Can's 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.880 film festival with a very expensive dress on to make 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.000 her point, then switches out of that dress to put 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.560 on a blaze or whatever she was wearing there to 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.000 go and give a speech about how virtuous she is 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.800 and her thoughts on the world, et cetera, all the 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.439 while making lots of money and enjoying expensive champagne and 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.040 having a wonderful time while people over in Gaza and 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.720 Israel are suffering. It's just the ultimate example of how 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.240 these people operate. I will lecture to you about how 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:30.280 you should think, and I'll even admit that I'm middle class. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:31.200