Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Daily Telegraph. In our podcast,
Speaker 1: yes it's Tuesday, it's not a Monday. We're pushed back
Speaker 1: by the King's King's birthday. Was King's birthday week? Holiday?
Speaker 1: Is that what it was?
Speaker 2: Everything's delayed by the king's birthdays.
Speaker 1: We never know because we see anyway. Matt and Carnation.
Speaker 1: Pam Whaley, Mate, you're on. You're making a no fatima
Speaker 1: today to look excited up off the bench.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's good to be. It's good cracking weekend.
Speaker 1: You'd be up and about your panthers had a win
Speaker 1: on Sunday. You're excited to be fair.
Speaker 2: I got I got bash bladed security guard downstairs because
Speaker 2: the Panthers reserved grade team lost. Oh wow, generally up
Speaker 2: on my taste. But whenever a Panther's affiliated tickets, it's loss.
Speaker 2: I get accosted.
Speaker 1: Are you good weekend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at a good weekend? Just did some life admin
Speaker 3: lifem lots of cooking, cleaning. Well, you know you're getting
Speaker 3: your life in order.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know you do you washing and make.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's got their life in order. This
Speaker 1: is a good segue the bulldogs because they are flying
Speaker 1: at the moment. I was actually out there on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I left before kickoff Monday Monday, Sorry, I had to
Speaker 1: go and do three sixty. But when I left it
Speaker 1: was about five minutes full kickoff, and the queues outside
Speaker 1: the ground were ridiculous, Like we're talking foremosts from the
Speaker 1: gates to the car park. When the do the dogs
Speaker 1: are back, the crowds are out, it's it's so good
Speaker 1: for the game, to be honest, the dogs going well.
Speaker 2: I was out there too. I was down there where
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs end was I think, but it felt like
Speaker 2: that both ends of the ground. It was either when
Speaker 2: parascore there was heaps of Para fans. With the bulldogscre
Speaker 2: there heaps of Bulldogs fans. I was in the middle
Speaker 2: of two massive drums, so whenever the Bulldogs scored, it
Speaker 2: was absolutely chaos scenes out there.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you on the game drums at
Speaker 1: the football because I'm an old man and we hate noise.
Speaker 4: Why do you go to the foot because famously lots
Speaker 4: of noises just digress temporary.
Speaker 1: My two pets, the footy drums and loud ground announswers
Speaker 1: cannot cop them too loud, too noisy.
Speaker 4: How do you feel about flares?
Speaker 1: I'm okay with as long as the going to go
Speaker 1: on the ground where the flares are on Sunday.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 3: where the line is.
Speaker 1: What do you think? It was pretty? It was a
Speaker 1: great It was a great day for rugby league. Sorry
Speaker 1: it keeps on Sunday Monday.
Speaker 4: It certainly was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot on this podcast about the Bulldogs,
Speaker 3: whether we think for their going to make it make
Speaker 3: the finals, whether they've turned a corner.
Speaker 4: It seems like they definitely have.
Speaker 1: I reckon that was a pivotal game for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because Para is obviously one of those teams that
Speaker 1: may make a run and they've sort of sunk the
Speaker 1: boot into a bit and I opened up a bit
Speaker 1: of a gap on them, and I've had a look
Speaker 1: at the drawer. I think their draw is pretty good
Speaker 1: and they run home the dogs. There are a few
Speaker 1: injuries now though, but you know, I think the top
Speaker 1: eight's realistic now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there'll be plenty more drums in your
Speaker 2: good But we're just throw about all these injuries, like
Speaker 2: every time someone went down locked yesterday. You just thought
Speaker 2: that they were going to fall over. I mean, the
Speaker 2: their forward line, it seemed like the power just going
Speaker 2: to crash through them. But they just kept coming back,
Speaker 2: coming back. It's one of the best wins I've seen
Speaker 2: them having a long long time. So yeah, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: plenty of bit excited.
Speaker 4: About in the last couple of weeks as well, because
Speaker 4: they had was it.
Speaker 3: They beat Newcastle the week before without Matt Burton, and
Speaker 3: I think that was really that was really important for
Speaker 3: them too. And then just to be able to put
Speaker 3: these games back to back and just kind of keep
Speaker 3: soldering on, it's very very impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean you look at those injuries at the moment.
Speaker 1: Obviously I lost a few of the week and I'm
Speaker 1: just checking with I. They've got the buy this week, right,
Speaker 1: So so all those guys who had Hias, the Currans,
Speaker 1: the Haywoods, they'll be back for the next game because
Speaker 1: the buye this week. But obviously Jake Preston has been
Speaker 1: really good from great Discovery the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Broke an ankle, kick out, still out at a car,
Speaker 1: still out. They're doing it without some big an. The
Speaker 1: guy is really impressed. Man, Mattie. He's a guy you know.
Speaker 1: Well Steve Crichton, I mean how good he is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's got better yeah this year and he was great
Speaker 1: at Penrith.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's his leadership. Dave Ricky I wrote
Speaker 2: a really good Colin story a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: just before Origin, where he's got handshakes for every single
Speaker 2: Bulldogs player and he's trying to do it for every
Speaker 2: single Blues player too. I think it's it's very on
Speaker 2: brand for Crichton. But he's just he's doing leadership in
Speaker 2: his own way and it's just it's.
Speaker 3: Cool to see a player step out of that Penrith
Speaker 3: system though and do even better and kind of the
Speaker 3: spotlight is all on him. There's so much pressure walking
Speaker 3: into that job at the Bulldog So right, he's the
Speaker 3: marquee signing, he's the captain. You know, he's the best
Speaker 3: center in Australia. Is he going to be able to
Speaker 3: pull this team up? And he's been able to do it,
Speaker 3: and yeah, he's just playing amazing footy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right about the leadership thing. I think he's
Speaker 1: caught a lot of us off guard. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone realized how great the leader he was because you
Speaker 1: know Pentuther's yeo and there's Cleary and those sort of guys.
Speaker 1: So I don't think we really appreciated how good a
Speaker 1: leader he was. But you know, you talk to people
Speaker 1: at Canterbury and cam Serrealdo and those guys, they said
Speaker 1: from day Dodd he was the bloke. He led the
Speaker 1: way of training and he's just a pro. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think coming tenk coach, I think there were people
Speaker 2: that were doubting is So he's definitely the kind of
Speaker 2: coach that knows what kind of personalities he's got in
Speaker 2: his players. So yeah, lots of drums beaning out of Belmore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly. Michie Boy Mitchie moses. What do we make
Speaker 1: of his performance for the Eels? Was it enough for you?
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Enough? I mean, obviously i'm talking with origin of mind.
Speaker 4: I know, I don't know. I feel like I'm sitting
Speaker 4: on the fence a little bit about it.
Speaker 1: There's no space for sitting on.
Speaker 3: Yes, he should be there. I don't think that that
Speaker 3: was a super performance though. I think maybe the game
Speaker 3: was there for the taking and those are the games
Speaker 3: that should be iced and he needs to be icing
Speaker 3: those games.
Speaker 4: What do you think.
Speaker 1: Mitch was pretty critical of himself, and we had him
Speaker 1: on three sixteen and interviewed him, and he basically took
Speaker 1: a large part of the blame and said, I should
Speaker 1: got them over the line. He's probably right, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the half back dictates. We always say the half back
Speaker 1: dictates the result, and the good half back stand up
Speaker 1: when the game's in the line. I think, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Mitch knew that he hadn't got the job done yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember what the score was when who
Speaker 2: was it that went to kirk Man? When kirk Man
Speaker 2: went to the bin and they had the Dog's pin
Speaker 2: on their line for about three or four sets, and
Speaker 2: you could just see from from behind the place how
Speaker 2: much the Dog's pack was struggling. I just thought, para,
Speaker 2: Mitch was just going to take the game by the
Speaker 2: scruff of the neck and set up his falls and
Speaker 2: crashed through. That's where they looked really weak. But it
Speaker 2: just didn't happen. And kind of these times of the
Speaker 2: year where you want your best Blues players to be
Speaker 2: kind of stepping up, like a few did over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Mitch wasn't quite there, but I mean there's no dubt.
Speaker 2: It will be picked right. There's I know Nico didn't
Speaker 2: play over the week and they're both playing this weekend.
Speaker 2: Niko's got the Thursday game, but I think it might
Speaker 2: just kind of assumes that Mitch is going to get
Speaker 2: that spot.
Speaker 1: He started the game really well though, Mitch. He was
Speaker 1: really involved and I'm running the football, and then he
Speaker 1: just sort of drifted out of it a bit.
Speaker 4: But even the week before, like the week before, he
Speaker 4: was great. Yeah, right, he was back.
Speaker 3: He was just you know, putting kicks just on a dime.
Speaker 3: Everywhere he was directing, he was at his best. And
Speaker 3: then yeah, that that game was there for the taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I think that just quickly back to the
Speaker 1: dogs before we move on. I think they'll make the eight. Now,
Speaker 1: what do you guys, what do you think you got
Speaker 1: him in there?
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nice, they are we there now?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, they got to buy this week.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a kick out in a fox in I
Speaker 2: think there's I think they might want some backup kind
Speaker 2: of in the in the falls in the front rail
Speaker 2: and if they dag someone or here they've got injured
Speaker 2: at the moment. But yeah, definitely. If they that momentum,
Speaker 2: that trajectory, just can't deny them.
Speaker 1: So we talked about mischie Moe's for Origin. What about
Speaker 1: the great man Latrelle, I've got him in I reckon
Speaker 1: he's in Latrell. I think he's done enough outstanding on
Speaker 1: the weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued here because clearly Madge wanted to see
Speaker 2: something out of him, or a lot of people wanted
Speaker 2: to see something out of him, and now that he
Speaker 2: has shown that over the last couple of weeks. I
Speaker 2: looked up his stat I looked that up while he
Speaker 2: was playing. Actually, these are the most amount in the
Speaker 2: five week period. He's got ten triasis. It's the most
Speaker 2: amount in his career. So people talking about whether his
Speaker 2: informat of form or he's been a little bit scratch,
Speaker 2: and he has been. But in terms of trying to
Speaker 2: step up and lead a team, he's done that. So
Speaker 2: I don't image has his reason so for not picking
Speaker 2: in game one. So it'll be really interesting to see
Speaker 2: what happens from him.
Speaker 4: Are expecting mass changes in the blue stand?
Speaker 1: Do you think, well, there's some force funes right, I
Speaker 1: mean swally, he's not there, assumed Le Martin will be
Speaker 1: all right. I mean there's question Mark him his question
Speaker 1: Mark over Mali and then Niggahans not playing, Mitch Moses
Speaker 1: coming in. You can you can argue that was not
Speaker 1: a force change. But Mitch would have been there before
Speaker 1: the series started. It was only through injury, wasn't there.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think you can explained away a
Speaker 1: lot of I think Madge can explain away a lot
Speaker 1: of the changes that he will expecting to make. Maybe
Speaker 1: five maybe you can explain a lot of that. Like
Speaker 1: Jilan Edwards comes back, he'll get named today and probably
Speaker 1: play this weekend, right, so he would have been there.
Speaker 1: Mitch would have been there. There's two changes straight away
Speaker 1: that aren't really thought that they're not. They're not so
Speaker 1: much force changes the changes you make, but the change
Speaker 1: you would have made if those guys are so, you
Speaker 1: can explain them away, right, I mean, really the only
Speaker 1: ones are I reckon. I mean, you know, obviously a
Speaker 1: force change because the trail comes in. Imagine the trail
Speaker 1: or Raymian stags Tongo, who else Burton's in the mix there?
Speaker 1: I think are we all in agreement? The troll just
Speaker 1: comes in?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are we?
Speaker 4: Are we crazy.
Speaker 2: I think fans are really I think fans are crazy,
Speaker 2: They're really fickle.
Speaker 1: But I think on Trell's divisive, right, He's just that's
Speaker 1: just the way people viewing. He's polarizing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But when he puts two or three weeks of
Speaker 2: performances like he has and he's not in that Game
Speaker 2: one team and we've lost, and they're just going to
Speaker 2: expect him to be in there. But Madge obviously has
Speaker 2: his reasons. He wants to see something like I understand
Speaker 2: Latrell hasn't been as warm to the preparation some of
Speaker 2: the meetings in the lead up to So it'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see how whether Mage sticks to his guns,
Speaker 2: because he's he's a very he's a guy that he
Speaker 2: can be a stubborn coach at times, like he sticks
Speaker 2: to his own philosophies. He's got his own values.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, this is the issue a super Madge,
Speaker 1: right if he if he doesn't pick Latrell and they lose,
Speaker 1: he's left himself wide open, absolutely, completely wide open to
Speaker 1: being yeah smashed, basically because I think now even Latrell's
Speaker 1: most art and critics think he should be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you've got people like Andrew John's coming out and
Speaker 1: saying he needs to be there, and some of the
Speaker 1: legends of the game have said, you've just got to
Speaker 1: pick him. So I don't really think he's got a choice.
Speaker 3: We're not really saying anything different than people don't already
Speaker 3: know that Latrell is just kind of an enigmatic player who.
Speaker 4: On his day he's just the best player in the game.
Speaker 3: You know, he could He's the guy that Queensland would
Speaker 3: be afraid of because they don't really know what to
Speaker 3: expect from him. He can just run straight through them.
Speaker 3: He can create anything, as you said, the triassysts that
Speaker 3: are coming from his hands. He can just create anything.
Speaker 3: So he should be there just based on kind of
Speaker 3: that alone, Right, what do you do if.
Speaker 2: You're in Magistrates? But because I was talking to a
Speaker 2: maid of mind about this on the weekend, and with Latrell,
Speaker 2: it's always he's I think two or three times in
Speaker 2: the past. Was his last game twenty one or was
Speaker 2: it nineteen, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: No, it's place, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's I think two or three times he said
Speaker 2: no he's made himself unavailable or like it's always got
Speaker 2: to do with Latrell's timing and whether he wants to
Speaker 2: play Origin or not not, Like you know, I'll throw
Speaker 2: all my eggs in there. I'll do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: There's been, you know, like I brought up before the preparation,
Speaker 2: a couple of meetings that he preferred not to go to.
Speaker 2: If your madge, do you stick to your values or
Speaker 2: do you just about a public opinion in Latrell's form
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: Kind, Well, you want to win, right, you just pick
Speaker 1: your best team. If he's in your best team, I
Speaker 1: think you just got to pick him twenty one. It's
Speaker 1: amazing to think it's been three years since you played
Speaker 1: Original Patrel that you know. I just think you're you're
Speaker 1: right as a Qualma Queenslander, proud Queenslander. Latrell scares me
Speaker 1: more than anyone. Yeah, there's no one else that in
Speaker 1: that team that really.
Speaker 4: Life in general, specifically football football terms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's he's the guy I can just
Speaker 1: win it on his Yeah. So you know, if i'm
Speaker 1: McQueen's and I from Billy Slater, He's the last girl
Speaker 1: I want to see in you said Wales team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for Origin teams though, right, this is
Speaker 3: a this is a team that kind of belongs to
Speaker 3: this state. I think that there are you know, coaches
Speaker 3: can have their philosophies and their values and things like that,
Speaker 3: but if you've got a player who is ready and willing,
Speaker 3: and he's one of the best players in the state,
Speaker 3: you just pick him and you figure out a way
Speaker 3: to make her work, because that's just kind of what
Speaker 3: you've got to do, because.
Speaker 4: You've got to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Latroll's made it.
Speaker 3: Let me.
Speaker 1: People say he's got to come out and declare he
Speaker 1: wants to play. Well, I know we we hate social
Speaker 1: a lot of us hate social media, but he did
Speaker 1: that on social media. He came out publicly a week
Speaker 1: or so ago and said I believe Blue, you know.
Speaker 1: So then he put up that insta post of him.
Speaker 4: Very very.
Speaker 1: So let's agree. We'll agree on that one. Right, He's
Speaker 1: got to come in. Edwards comes in. Humm, yep, Moses in, yep.
Speaker 1: What do you do Cam Murray's a chance of playing
Speaker 1: this weekend? If not, yeah, I think they might have
Speaker 1: been picked Cam even if he doesn't come back. But
Speaker 1: do you bring Cam Murray straight back in? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Based on previous Yeah, his history, he doesn't need much.
Speaker 2: He'll play me in the middle. Yeah, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, and Matt Burton and to the side somewhere.
Speaker 2: That's the only outside you've got Latrell, the Swally selection.
Speaker 2: I think the only other one that fan they helped
Speaker 2: the unforced change is Burden. I think fans everyone knows
Speaker 2: that you need to game one show that you need
Speaker 2: a utility. I'm still burning from when we didn't pick.
Speaker 4: It too mad about that.
Speaker 3: I can't believe that we still have to make these
Speaker 3: mistakes too to learn the lesson do you need it game?
Speaker 1: What's that four?
Speaker 2: We got four changes, but it's magic philosophy. What's that
Speaker 2: not going with four forwards and not having utility on
Speaker 2: the bench. He really wants the back.
Speaker 1: You've got a plan, got to You've got to. You've
Speaker 1: got to be malleable, right as this coach. You've got it,
Speaker 1: because you've got It's not looking in the all season.
Speaker 1: We've got twenty seven twenty four, seven weeks yet, right,
Speaker 1: twenty four games. You've got three weeks. It's three games.
Speaker 1: You've got to nail it from the start. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he didn't nail game obviously, get didn't help, but That's
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: So we obviously had an idea game on how he
Speaker 2: wanted to play, but it obviously all went out the window.
Speaker 1: Got to adjust on the run. So he's got to
Speaker 1: adjust and change, you'd hope.
Speaker 2: So we'll see on Sunday.
Speaker 1: If Martin and Olakau or one of both of them
Speaker 1: are out. What are we looking out there in the
Speaker 1: back row? We mentioned Murray, Yeah, potentially Mitch Barnette.
Speaker 4: Mitch Barnett. Potentially he was in the squad in the
Speaker 4: first place, so he thinks that right, yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well we've just made mass changes. Yep, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. Changes nothing better.
Speaker 4: You just you they were forced some of them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well we.
Speaker 1: Playing them away. We said, we've given manager a tip
Speaker 1: on how it can explain these these changes are way
Speaker 1: speaking of saving injury face Brandon Smith, this is a
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been lots of whispers and scuttle but
Speaker 1: about Brandon for a long time now, but obviously things
Speaker 1: are getting serious because the Roosts have given him a
Speaker 1: breach notice. He missed a team review last Monday. I
Speaker 1: think it was after they had lost to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: and sort of put him on notice. I guess Brandon,
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's time. There's been he's played some good foot,
Speaker 1: he's played some bad foot, he's had some injuries, but
Speaker 1: constantly it's had this. There's these whispers and scuttle but
Speaker 1: around miss time there. Do you read this as the
Speaker 1: roosters maybe trying to push him out the door, just
Speaker 1: put him on notice and made you need to pick
Speaker 1: up your act.
Speaker 4: I think it's a yeah. I think it's definitely a warning.
Speaker 3: Though, right, it's pick up your act or you are
Speaker 3: out the door. I don't know whether it's in particular
Speaker 3: push trying to push him out the door, but more so.
Speaker 4: It's unacceptable. And if how many chances does he get?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: How many susan so? Has he had two breaches?
Speaker 1: Well he was on that podcast with Jimmy Graham and
Speaker 1: he indicated and he had one. This is the first one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was very telling that that's just a
Speaker 2: ruthless thing. Right, it's not a club. It's not a
Speaker 2: league wide kind of standard where you get you get
Speaker 2: a couple of breach notices. Is this an internal kind
Speaker 2: of standard that they've set in terms of no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's like employment law it's like us here. If we
Speaker 2: get three breach notices, they can get rid of us.
Speaker 2: So we've got to be careful.
Speaker 4: You're on about.
Speaker 1: Last chance. What do you reckon Brandon? I mean it's
Speaker 1: sort of time. There's been a bit. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean he's on a huge money brandings. I've eight
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. I think he hasn't really I don't think
Speaker 1: he's been the player we saw in Melbourne. He's shue
Speaker 1: glimpses of it, He's had flashes of it. It just
Speaker 1: hasn't been the same player consistently. But I think this
Speaker 1: year was This year has been better than last year.
Speaker 1: He's strong, a few more games.
Speaker 2: I think he had he battled injury a little bit
Speaker 2: last year too, So I think he's been He's mirrored
Speaker 2: what the Ruses have been like this year. As the
Speaker 2: Russes have gone well, he's generally been a part of it.
Speaker 2: So but it is interesting, I think I think fans
Speaker 2: I saw this news break yesterday, I thought, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's not much. It's just a meeting, But as
Speaker 2: far as the end result goes, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's just the start of a push to get
Speaker 2: him out.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to see his teammates comments too. They
Speaker 1: were pretty scathing is probably not the right word, but
Speaker 1: they were pretty blunt with their assessment of Brandon and
Speaker 1: what's happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think probably fair enough to But you don't
Speaker 3: often see that do, Like in teammates, you know, publicly
Speaker 3: say you know, not really good enough.
Speaker 4: Mate. So no, very very interesting.
Speaker 3: But there has just been a little bit of you know,
Speaker 3: bits and pieces just around him though, right, for quite
Speaker 3: a while, even the you know, even in the last
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, there's just been little bits and pieces
Speaker 3: around Brandon. So but he was like that Melbourne was, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like he's always just kind.
Speaker 1: Of sheltered Melbourne, right, Yeah, not the public guy. Like,
Speaker 1: he's such a good fellow, I know, such cracking bloke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a bit of an old school sort of Alaric and Go,
Speaker 1: one of those guys you want to see succeed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's such a good fella. He's a great interview,
Speaker 1: he's just a great guy to be around.
Speaker 2: He's find of what makes totally entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing is that we always talk about
Speaker 3: how there's characters missing in the game. He's genuinely one
Speaker 3: of them, and you would never want to squash that
Speaker 3: out of someone to make them put on a front
Speaker 3: or be dishonest or whatever. You know, he's just authentically
Speaker 3: himself and we love that. But yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 3: you want to fit into a club like the Roosters,
Speaker 3: you've got to find a way to make that work.
Speaker 1: Though, I hopefully you can sort it out because as
Speaker 1: I said, great Brandon, how.
Speaker 2: Do you reckon the review was of it or by
Speaker 2: the Rooster's review?
Speaker 1: Well, the Cowboys game wouldn't have been good. They were
Speaker 1: in a foul mood. That was a shocking performance. Speak
Speaker 1: your shot is another great segue segways ago, Well, today
Speaker 1: I reckon killing it speaking of another shocking performance. What
Speaker 1: about the Tigers on the weekend? Oh? Sorry, it was
Speaker 1: Thursday Friday, Thursday Thursday. Diabolical, diabolical. And then we see
Speaker 1: all the rumors come out about Lockey Galvin, the young
Speaker 1: teenage five eight wants to leave the club. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: rumors persisting about Stefano Utuo Kaman who wanted to leave
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Where's the blue sky
Speaker 1: for this football team? Where so hard?
Speaker 4: Isn't it like this? To be a Tigers fan.
Speaker 3: I just feel to anyone who's listening as a Tiger's fan,
Speaker 3: you know, I wish we could give you all hug.
Speaker 4: This is this is just not good.
Speaker 3: I don't know where the blue sky is coming from
Speaker 3: because this is just about as bad as it has been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean Galvin is such an integral part
Speaker 1: of that. He's got two years left on his deal.
Speaker 1: Lockey Galvin. After this year it's been playing with a
Speaker 1: broken hand or broken bone in his hand. He's been
Speaker 1: a ray of hope for that Footag club this year.
Speaker 1: A young kid, local kid played five to eight. Been
Speaker 1: outstanding for him and the team that's really battled. And
Speaker 1: if you're a Tigers fan you see that he potentially
Speaker 1: wants to leave, you'd be shadowed.
Speaker 2: And Stefano too. The final thing has been around for
Speaker 2: a while, but the fallout of this has just been
Speaker 2: I remember watching that game and thinking, how do they
Speaker 2: get another sinding? How were they that ill discipline? When
Speaker 2: Benji went went nuts at them the day before he
Speaker 2: was at the press conference. Shout out to Tyson Jackson,
Speaker 2: who Benji loved the question about how bad that ill
Speaker 2: discipline has been this year and Benji just went at
Speaker 2: his team so badly and then it took him what,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it was a second half Sinpin, but
Speaker 2: it went from that to the fallout of Lockey Galvin
Speaker 2: and I just, yeah, I can't see any blue sky,
Speaker 2: especially if they're still going through a roster overhaul, which
Speaker 2: is all of their own doing. It's that's that's not
Speaker 2: old management. A lot of that's new management. Some of
Speaker 2: those decisions. I don't know what Richo has done, what
Speaker 2: kind of deals he's gotten overseas. I believe he's back, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't know if there's been any progress there.
Speaker 2: But while that's going on in the background.
Speaker 1: To the Sullivan deal, happened before he got there, the
Speaker 1: Stefano clauses, that was before Richo got there. Shane Richardson
Speaker 1: so one of them. He has inherited a lot of
Speaker 1: this and.
Speaker 2: That's but when some of those deals kicked off by bench,
Speaker 2: Benji's been there. Yeah. So the Sullivan deal.
Speaker 1: Which was four years and Benji was involved in that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And finally that was another Benji too, right, and then
Speaker 2: they picked up another they went Caesar and Luai. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So all those decisions I know it's not all on bench.
Speaker 1: But now Benji was there during that period. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. So but I'm saying, but Richo's the
Speaker 1: guy is now who trying to resolve it all and
Speaker 1: sort it out. And I mean that was Galvin's a
Speaker 1: big issue for them because Stefano. They're actually powerless to
Speaker 1: do anything about Stefano because he's got this clause in
Speaker 1: his contract. Galvin's got a contract two years ago. Rich
Speaker 1: I was saying, where the digger and our heels is
Speaker 1: going nowhere? Do you have a view on that? Is
Speaker 1: that the right stance if he wants to go?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what we this is what we
Speaker 3: talk about though, right if you you've got to make
Speaker 3: it so that that player actually wants to be there.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't want to be there, then what is
Speaker 3: the like there is no point he's just not going
Speaker 3: to get any better or he's not going to develop.
Speaker 3: If you have someone who doesn't want to play and
Speaker 3: you've exhausted every avenue to get the best out of
Speaker 3: them and to make it a working environment, then it's
Speaker 3: just never going to be a happy relationship.
Speaker 4: Even because how long.
Speaker 1: Has he got left on his two years left so
Speaker 1: and they've offered if he drops the request for release,
Speaker 1: they've offered the table and extension upgrade to him. He's
Speaker 1: on decent money, he's not. He's eighteen year old kid,
Speaker 1: he's in Yeah, these I heard some suggesting he was
Speaker 1: on one fifty this year, two fifty three fifty the
Speaker 1: next two years. He'd be twenty years older than three
Speaker 1: hund and fifty grand. And they've offered to upgrade and extending,
Speaker 1: So you would have thought they might push up the
Speaker 1: five hundred grand for the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: That's But if if you're an eighteen year old kid
Speaker 2: and staring at three straight years of losses, they're looking
Speaker 2: at their fourth spoon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, but if you're an eight year old kid
Speaker 1: playing six and you've got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: jer own law next year, I mean that's I find
Speaker 1: that reason that i'd find that reasonably attractive proposition. Weren't
Speaker 1: you or not? Well?
Speaker 4: But I mean, yes, for sure.
Speaker 3: But I think that you can understand where, especially where
Speaker 3: Richo is coming from, where he said, you know, we
Speaker 3: made these in stakes seven years ago, or the club
Speaker 3: made these in stakes seven years ago, and let all
Speaker 3: these players go. They obviously let Mitch Moses go, they
Speaker 3: let James Tedesco go. They've left so many different players,
Speaker 3: popen Houses.
Speaker 2: Woods, Quicker, the Big four. So pick four.
Speaker 4: Do you remember what a flashback get on the bus
Speaker 4: it was?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you can understand why you don't want to
Speaker 3: keep going making the same mistakes again and losing your
Speaker 3: good players or you know you're good kids, because that
Speaker 3: ruins your future. But what is the immediate fix to
Speaker 3: make it an attractive place to be because.
Speaker 4: Even you look at the spine itself, it's not that bad. Like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to the audience what exactly are the
Speaker 2: rules in terms of when clubs approach players who are
Speaker 2: still under contract, because there is the hard rule about
Speaker 2: you can't talk. You can't offer them a deal before
Speaker 2: the last they entered their one.
Speaker 1: They're very they're very murky the rules around them. But
Speaker 1: you can't from memory that change the rules. Now, you
Speaker 1: used to be able to speak to someone, So if
Speaker 1: you're two years aft a new deal, I could say
Speaker 1: to you, a Matt, a couple of years when you
Speaker 1: come off contract, let's have a chat. Right, You couldn't
Speaker 1: table an offer, but now you're actually, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: not even allowed to speak to someone to lend end
Speaker 1: of the last year of their deal. So no clubs
Speaker 1: should be talking to Galvan or his agent about the
Speaker 1: future at all.
Speaker 2: They can't have a cup of coffee. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean obviously that you can't. Please, how do
Speaker 1: you police that? It's impossible to police. But you're supposed
Speaker 1: to the agents and the clubs are supposed to keep
Speaker 1: all records negotiation now so when deals are signed off
Speaker 1: on at the NRL, the club is and the agent's
Speaker 1: got to hand over all the records. They've got to
Speaker 1: keep records of all conversations. They've got to handle that
Speaker 1: information of the NRL nowadays, so it's a lot stricter.
Speaker 1: And still, you know, a club, like a random club
Speaker 1: just going up to his agent, going, mate, if you
Speaker 1: can get him out of that deal, give us a call.
Speaker 1: We're lining to approved that you can't, don't you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a smart club, don't send a text message.
Speaker 1: Just just have a general conversation and no one keeps
Speaker 1: a record of that.
Speaker 2: Are you happy? How's your family?
Speaker 1: By the way, when's Calvin coming off contract? We want
Speaker 1: a piece of It's really hard to police, but it
Speaker 1: is more. It's stricter than it used to be. And
Speaker 1: obviously rich I said, if we find out anyone spoken
Speaker 1: the galve and we're going to put you straight to
Speaker 1: the NRL. You know, it's a pretty hard line stance.
Speaker 1: I just think, I think the thing that happened seven
Speaker 1: years ago with Teddy and Woodsy and Books and Mitch
Speaker 1: at the time, you look at those guys, what they
Speaker 1: went on to do. It devastated that club and they've
Speaker 1: never I mean, they've been in a decade long hold,
Speaker 1: but if they had those three blokes, they probably would
Speaker 1: have got out of it bore now, so I can
Speaker 1: understand why rich I is digging his heels in. As
Speaker 1: I said. Stefano is a completely different issue because they're
Speaker 1: actually powerless to keep Stefano if he doesn't play. So
Speaker 1: if he misses the next Origin game and they missed
Speaker 1: the finals, the fins free to do what he wants
Speaker 1: and that's going to be real. And they've offered him
Speaker 1: a good deal. It's five years, four million dollars, but
Speaker 1: he'll get more than that in the open market. I
Speaker 1: know the club that's going to give him offer him
Speaker 1: a million bucks. A year. So you know, I think
Speaker 1: the issue there is I think they have to come
Speaker 1: in harder at Stefano when they made him the offer,
Speaker 1: they should have made it almost impossible for him to
Speaker 1: say no. They've given him five years, five million bucks,
Speaker 1: and they've got the cap room, They've got loads of
Speaker 1: cap space. How can you say, I know, how you
Speaker 1: say no to that? Your front rower? So yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty crucial a couple of weeks and months
Speaker 1: for the Tigers.
Speaker 2: If you're Lucky Galvin or his manager, what do you
Speaker 2: need to hear?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, Richard with
Speaker 1: his parents, I think that maybe even today, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you just want to see some hope, but
Speaker 1: the just sends to be none at the moment. He's
Speaker 1: got to sell the dream better to him. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's got to be a lot of really special sales
Speaker 3: pitchers going on, right because I mean, I wonder if
Speaker 3: you're a player like Lucky Galvin, and you look at
Speaker 3: James Tedesco when he made that crucial decision to leave
Speaker 3: and it turned out to be the best decision that
Speaker 3: he made.
Speaker 1: You look at Mitch he just played in the Grand
Speaker 1: finals since he left there, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Conversely you look at Luke Brooks who stayed.
Speaker 1: He started and now desperately got out and made play
Speaker 1: finals footy this year. So we should touch on that game.
Speaker 1: You're Panthers pretty good again my weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know that set a high bar there
Speaker 2: at Penrith and they were down was at twelve four
Speaker 2: and three.
Speaker 3: Troes humble about another win, come on.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was very interesting that Ivan picked
Speaker 2: Jerome and Jack Cole and the halves as opposed to
Speaker 2: Jerome and Brad Schneider I think previously before I think
Speaker 2: it was before Origin a couple of weeks ago, he
Speaker 2: had Brad playing half back. But for him there put
Speaker 2: the faith in Jerome and he got them. You got
Speaker 2: them over the line of there being four tries to
Speaker 2: one down and three tries to one down. So a
Speaker 2: nice lot about face from from only Good. There's some
Speaker 2: hope for the Tiger's tea because Dromes, Yeah he's done it.
Speaker 2: He's played really well a couple of weeks now, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe he needs to do the sales pitch to look.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe well maybe you should get in the phone.
Speaker 4: Could ever be a pro do you reckon that's appropriate?
Speaker 4: Do you think so?
Speaker 1: I don't think you should do it.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not, But do you think it? I know
Speaker 4: it's a bit weird, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Like if you're playing for Penrith and then to get
Speaker 3: on the phone and convince the Tigers to keep a player.
Speaker 1: It's not a bad shout if I'm I'm getting on
Speaker 1: the phone.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good idea, But I don't.
Speaker 1: Get on the phone. It's the final you talk on
Speaker 1: SA boys, just give you one more year. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me show you what it can do. It's not about idea.
Speaker 1: Maybe you should picture to him next time you see
Speaker 1: your own. He's a big fan of just a little.
Speaker 2: Life tips for rit.
Speaker 1: What about the Sea was a bit of a frustrating
Speaker 1: old team merely my life call seem they just they
Speaker 1: just they have great like the competitive and they have
Speaker 1: good weeks and they just have these weeks where they
Speaker 1: just they're just not quite there. Yeah, and now they're
Speaker 1: in a bit of a dog fight for the top
Speaker 1: eight because they're locked in that well they dropped out now, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the Dragons Warriors and then mainly.
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous little period for them actually, because they
Speaker 1: could lose touch on what they haven't looked at their
Speaker 1: drawer closely enough.
Speaker 2: They had peters on the ropes. Do we know what
Speaker 2: the what's the latest with how moly? No?
Speaker 1: I haven't checked. Have to check that today'ming to write
Speaker 1: that down right here, a molely check.
Speaker 4: They play the Dragons on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a big game, that's right. That's a bookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a big game, right because the Dragons are ninth, they're.
Speaker 4: Eleventh when they've got the Rabbits.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not a bad few weeks for them.
Speaker 4: And then they have a bye.
Speaker 1: That's the next three. They can win into of those
Speaker 1: two games and get the and then at some point
Speaker 1: Tommy comes back. I can't remember when Tommy's due back.
Speaker 1: He's far away, is he? You know? I think stay
Speaker 1: in the mix and spit like the nights right. If not,
Speaker 1: its can stand in the mixed a kaal and gets
Speaker 1: back me and you can stand in the mixed or
Speaker 1: Tommy gets back then both they said. I just sort
Speaker 1: of set for a late reason, late season charge of
Speaker 1: the finals.
Speaker 4: Tommy is round eighteen two more weeks through my weeks.
Speaker 1: We's get their should check it out when we right
Speaker 1: down to check to Tommy check. Okay, let's go with
Speaker 1: what you're watching. That's part of the show. What are
Speaker 1: you watching, Pam?
Speaker 2: What are you up for us?
Speaker 1: See your show in this my wife watch just show.
Speaker 1: It drives me insane. I never think I leave the
Speaker 1: house and.
Speaker 4: That's the thing. You think it's.
Speaker 2: Awful.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I really, I really, what is it?
Speaker 2: So this is I was looking for a show, and
Speaker 2: I've gone to the Panthers game with my sister watching this.
Speaker 2: Surely I've gone to the Panthers game with my sisters
Speaker 2: season memberships and they couldn't stop talking about this show.
Speaker 2: So I've gotten home the other night. I didn't Bridgidson,
Speaker 2: no doubt. And the way it was described to me
Speaker 2: was it is a gossip girl in the eighteen hundred
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of that. So yeah, well I
Speaker 2: watched one and then I went straight to the second one.
Speaker 1: So you've watched Bridges I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't watched the last I watched the first season.
Speaker 1: I haven't obsession.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I really didn't want to admit it, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Strange breaking down barriers here on this show we are
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: That you got yours is intriguing. What's this.
Speaker 3: It's called Dancing Dancing for the Devil. It's about a
Speaker 3: TikTok cult, TikTok dance could So it's on Netflix.
Speaker 4: It's a documentary.
Speaker 3: So they're just dances all around the world like they
Speaker 3: do little TikTok dancers, but they're actually you know, good dancers.
Speaker 4: They dance in you know, Broadway shows and this and that.
Speaker 3: This guy created an agency where he signed a bunch
Speaker 3: of these dancers and then it's just kind of like
Speaker 3: a cult where they have to give up, you know,
Speaker 3: seventy percent of their or whatever percentage of the money
Speaker 3: that they earn to this guy. They're making some yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they got brand deals and things like that, and it
Speaker 3: is it kind of they focus on one family in particular,
Speaker 3: and this one dancer shut out all of her family,
Speaker 3: just stopped talking to them all together because they kind
Speaker 3: of that's how they kind of infiltrate you. They just yeah,
Speaker 3: make you shut out every all the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: It's so so interesting, very a bit freaky.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love that to stop rewatching the show, because
Speaker 1: you know, I want to give Fox a bit love
Speaker 1: because we're obviously the news court family. So I actually
Speaker 1: started watching Game of Thrones again. I love it, went
Speaker 1: back to the start and started watching it. It was
Speaker 1: on the other day. It was on whatever that station is.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the station is, just it's not but
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, they all I thought, I want to
Speaker 1: watch this again box sets because you can you misstuck
Speaker 1: the first time around some up to series three. Such
Speaker 1: a good show, Game of Thrones. If you haven't watched
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, you're lost. You to find yourself.
Speaker 3: Because well we were talking about this before though, right,
Speaker 3: so this is it's good timing because the the banners,
Speaker 3: the house banners have just started to be hung up
Speaker 3: all around. I think I saw them hung up on
Speaker 3: the Brooklyn Bridge recently. Because House of the Dragon is
Speaker 3: coming back, only I think it's the end of it,
Speaker 3: might be at the end of this month, could be.
Speaker 1: Next week that I need to rewatch because I only
Speaker 1: watched one episode of that and I never got around
Speaker 1: to watching the second the second episode of that. It's
Speaker 1: only one season yet.
Speaker 4: One season. Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 1: I think it might might be arguably the best. Well
Speaker 1: Seinfeld is the best show mate, but it might be second.
Speaker 2: Is that what you'll be watching on Saturday night? When
Speaker 2: the Tigers Titans game is on?
Speaker 1: It? Like, well, I want to tell you where it
Speaker 1: won't be? Like why not? Actually funnily enough Sunday. Just
Speaker 1: as a sideline, and I just segue very quickly. I
Speaker 1: mentioned then I'm going to see Jerry Seinfeld in town. Yeah, ago,
Speaker 1: that's nice. I'm not I'm not excited.
Speaker 4: Sounds like a legend.
Speaker 1: She goes, Okay, you know Erry, I think Jerry, but
Speaker 1: I just want I just don't know. Always stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: I find commit When I go to comedy shows, I
Speaker 1: find them funny for a half hour. Then I start
Speaker 1: to lose interest. You know, is going to have to
Speaker 1: work hard to keep me?
Speaker 4: Where is it?
Speaker 1: Is itsdos Bank?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Massive?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So Curtis instead? I like her?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I watched the Tigers. Oh go on, they might
Speaker 1: go right this week, they might win. This week might
Speaker 1: be the last ever game A light cut Well within
Speaker 1: you won't go within your luck anyway, if we should
Speaker 1: finish on that. Thanks for joining us, and we'll see
Speaker 1: you next week on The Daddy Telegraph and our old
Speaker 1: podcast