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Speaker 1: Sitsy and with her with Kate Ritchie podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is a really interesting story here. We've got a

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Speaker 2: man that's visiting Australia at the moment. His name is

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Speaker 2: doctor Jim Crosby. He's a renowned dog bite specialist from

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Speaker 2: the US currently here hosting an intensive one day workshop

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Speaker 2: on the forensics of dog aggression. And I think this

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Speaker 2: is a subject that we need to talk about at

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Speaker 2: the moment because we seem to be having quite a

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Speaker 2: few of these attacks here in Australia. Now, Dr Jim,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Hey, thank you guys for having me. It's wonderful

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Speaker 1: to be here in Australia. This is my second time

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Speaker 1: here in the country and got to say I love

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Speaker 1: it down here.

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Speaker 3: Goodness well, Jim, what I'm fascinated by and you're right,

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Speaker 3: timing is perfect because we've had some horrible cases here

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Speaker 3: in Australia, both relating to Rottwiler's actually and a man

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Speaker 3: that was passed away less than a week ago. What

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Speaker 3: I wanted to know, Jim. In both the stories, it

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Speaker 3: sounds like the pet has gone from nice controlled pet

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Speaker 3: to then attacking the and has never done this before.

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Speaker 3: How does that happen?

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Speaker 1: Well, the secret is that's not how it happens. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we don't educate our pet owners enough. And typically, for instance,

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Speaker 1: in the around the world, I've been on scene on

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Speaker 1: about forty individual cases where dogs have killed human beings.

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Speaker 1: And when someone says there was nothing before and the

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Speaker 1: dog just snapped, yep, sadly, what usually has happened is

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Speaker 1: there's been plenty beforehand that no one recognized as being

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Speaker 1: red flags.

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Speaker 4: And what are those red flags?

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Speaker 1: Then it starts with something as simple as their pupils

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Speaker 1: dilated and looking away from you. How are they standing?

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Speaker 1: When you see a dog that's backed off in a corner,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the dog needs a hug. That means

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Speaker 1: the dog needs space.

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Speaker 2: How do we stop? If your dog is latched onto

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Speaker 2: a child, or even your dog, how do we stop

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Speaker 2: that fight?

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Speaker 1: The safest way to stop, to begin to intervene, is

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Speaker 1: to grab the dog by the back legs. Yep, pick

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Speaker 1: them up and back away. You've taken their mobility and

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Speaker 1: most of their their forward drive comes from those back legs.

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Speaker 1: So that also allows you that when they start to release.

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Speaker 1: It's not kind, it's not nice, but you can spin

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Speaker 1: or helicopter your dog to keep the point and away

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Speaker 1: from you. Don't try to use your hands and fingers

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Speaker 1: to pull them apart, because even a fairly small dog

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Speaker 1: can do a lot of damage there. Instead, secure the

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Speaker 1: dog and then put an object between their teeth to

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Speaker 1: try and control what they're biting down on.

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Speaker 3: It's a good answer. A topic closer to home, our

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Speaker 3: co host here, Kate Richie, has an issue which is

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Speaker 3: not so much dog attack but more are you doing

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Speaker 3: this well? It seems like strange behavior to me, But

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Speaker 3: Kate has a reoccurring issue with her dog Annie that

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Speaker 3: goes out of its way to eat and remove the

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Speaker 3: crotch of her underwear. I'm not sure what's going on

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Speaker 3: down there.

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Speaker 4: That's if I leave it on the floor. But let's

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Speaker 4: be very clear, I don't have my niker's lawn on

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Speaker 4: his toy. Annie's a Cocker Spaniel to two and a

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Speaker 4: few years old, doesn't eat anything else.

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Speaker 3: But we'll eat the crotch of your underwear. The crotch.

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Speaker 4: But I'm guessing it's just human scent. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: just going to say it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, doctor underwear is expensive?

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Speaker 1: I would agree it's just human scent. If it's spend

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Speaker 1: of a woman, well maybe it's just saltiness from perspiration

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Speaker 1: gathering at the low part of the body. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: It's like we don't know why dogs eat pooh either,

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Speaker 1: A lot of nobody really knows. I do you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting you're leaving racing stripes and you're on.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Jim.

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Speaker 3: He just became my favorite guest of all time.

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Speaker 2: Can we play an audio piece for you, doctor Jim.

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Speaker 2: I want to see if you can guess at all

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Speaker 2: and what breed of dog this is. This is a

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Speaker 2: famous audio grab of a dog attacking here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: I want to see if you can pick it up.

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Speaker 2: What's ever?

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Speaker 3: Listen, do you what breed of dog that is?

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Speaker 1: Doctor? Due to the pitch, I would say probably a

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Speaker 1: smaller dog than a bigger dog.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it again.

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Speaker 1: That sounds an awful like one of the smaller dogs

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Speaker 1: grabbing a toy and really going at it.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jim, I've got to hold you up there. It

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Speaker 2: was actually a man on We have a show he

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Speaker 2: called a Current Affair, and it was was a man

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Speaker 2: who went on that show and he was talking about

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Speaker 2: a dog that approached him like that, and this is

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Speaker 2: his own impersonation of the dog.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday morning, I came out into the front yard and

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Speaker 3: the dogs were cross the bad and as soon as

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Speaker 3: they saw me they came bounding over.

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Speaker 4: That was on National TV.

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Speaker 2: Is that one of the greatest impersonations you've heard, Dr Jim.

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Speaker 1: That's great and like I said, he sounded like a

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Speaker 1: smaller dog. I understand that Fitz is a big fellow.

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Speaker 1: You would have a much deeper and more manly growl

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Speaker 1: than that.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy your time here in Australia. He is a forensics

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Speaker 2: of dog aggression and we do appreciate We know you're

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Speaker 2: very busy, so thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 2: Dr Jim.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me and it's great to be back

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Speaker 1: in Australia.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Dr Jim, Thank you.

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