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Speaker 1: season one of The White Lotus, a production which arose

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Speaker 1: Season two was set in Sicily. Season three, now about

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Speaker 1: But then is it Okham's razor? Did we know the

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Saxons. I've just had a massage.

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Speaker 3: You're setting me back?

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Speaker 1: How can you be so viper?

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Speaker 2: Why what was wrong with it?

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Speaker 3: Ah? What aren't they all supposed to be a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been fantastic, and I think the arc that

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Speaker 2: Yes, he seems more concerned with getting a blender into

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Speaker 4: I love this idea too, that you can take somebody

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Speaker 1: For me, I'm a survivor obsessive fanatic. Everybody in my

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Speaker 4: Observantwn cur season.

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Speaker 2: He was there as an observer of people, and he

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that, Yeah, that's amazing it.

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Speaker 1: Came on up. Let's talk about where Saxon and Lachlan

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Speaker 1: Her main concern in life seems to be the location

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Speaker 3: Maybe they just focus on the money and you just

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Speaker 1: With the road or die. Understand me, I would rather

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Speaker 4: That's such an incredibly written moment when we see Tim

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Speaker 4: But it also plays into Tim's hand quite well, or

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Speaker 1: She depicts herself or frames herself, as someone who couldn't

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Gaytok. He's the sweet natured security guard.

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Speaker 2: And again, just thinking about it from Mike White's perspective,

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Speaker 1: Well, Mook never agrees to go on a date with him,

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Speaker 1: I think you're being very unfair to I like the.

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Speaker 4: Hero trajectory, but you've definitely got me questioning my thoughts

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Speaker 1: Coming up. Is this a murder or a blood bath?

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Speaker 1: And who's the prime suspect? That's after the break. I'm

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Speaker 1: dying to talk about Valentine. We knew he was going

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Speaker 3: Hey, how are you doing? My friends Alexey and ladd.

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Speaker 1: Jacqueline's a monster. I mean, she is as narcissistic as

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Speaker 3: Oh what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: It means what I dead?

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Speaker 3: Yet all right, we would still be young and hot and.

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Speaker 4: So my theory on this is there's three parts to destruction.

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Speaker 1: You guys go out and don't do anything. My buddy

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Speaker 3: Please come back.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she's always very affectionate towards him, but I

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Speaker 4: we have this path to destruction, which is the Ratliffe family.

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Speaker 4: Lot of gunshots. I was always under the assumption that

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Speaker 1: Can't wait, guys, I think we need a watch party

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Speaker 1: for the final episode.

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Speaker 4: Great idea.

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