WEBVTT - The Media Show | 30 August 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.480 Vince is the Media Show, with Jack couting. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:07.960 Hello and welcome to the media Show. Tonight, we're going 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.520 to take a look at Alban Easy being accused of 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.800 bullying a female reporter after being caught on a hot 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.320 mic incident. But first to the Kamala Harris interview, which 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.840 ended up looking more like a campaign ad than a 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.799 hard hitting interview. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.000 After a historic nomination at the convention in Chicago. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:30.680 On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:39.440 in the greatest nation on Earth, I accept your nominations 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:44.360 in the United States of America. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.000 The Harris Walls ticket is now pushing forward with the 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.159 shortest presidential campaign in modern history. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:54.800 What did you hear from voters here? 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.400 People are very optimistic. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.720 We joined them on the trail as they visited the 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.680 back of Georgia just sixty eight days from the election. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.760 And then after the first break, they ran this puff piece. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.920 As voters are getting to know Kamala Harris, they want 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:23.080 answers on how she will make their lives better. She 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.319 heard that here at sand Fly Barbecue in Savannah. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.399 All we're going to do to increase access to capital 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.880 for small businesses, I'll be rolling out next week part 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.399 of what we're going to be doing in terms of 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.399 a tax credit. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.640 On the trail, she talks about her experience years in 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.040 the courtroom as a district attorney and eventually California's attorney general. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.039 She wants to reframe the contest as the prosecutor versus 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:45.520 the felon. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.720 I know Donald Trump's type. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.440 I've been dealing with them my whole career. The former 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.800 president is turning to a well defined playbook of personal attacks. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.800 I didn't know she was black until years ago when 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.080 she happened to turn black, and now she wants to 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.240 be known as black. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.480 And did just twelve days the nominees will meet face 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:08.960 to face for the first time. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.920 She's not a good debater, She's not a smart person. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:13.639 She doesn't want a debate. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.960 If you've got something to say. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.720 CNN is a joke for pretending that this would be 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.960 a legitimate effort to probe Harris that editing wasn't appropriate 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.000 on either of those moments, and when CNN's Dana Bash 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.000 did initially ask some substantive questions, there was no follow 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.160 up and there was just rambling and off track answers. 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.720 Harris was asked about why she backflipped on fracking, but 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.359 there wasn't much pushback twenty nineteen. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.519 I believe at a town hall you said you were asked, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.400 would you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.040 on your first day in office? And you said there's 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.000 no question in favor of banning fracking. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.600 So yes. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.960 So it changed in that campaign. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.680 In twenty two twenty. I made very clear where I stand. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.720 We are in twenty twenty four, and I've not changed 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:04.560 that position. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.400 Nor will I going forward. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:07.360 I kept my word and I will keep my word. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.480 Harris had previously called for illegal immigration to be decriminalized, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.000 but when she responded to this fact, the reporter just 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:16.960 let her ramble. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.320 Another question about something that you said in twenty nineteen. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.800 When you first ran, there was a debate. You raised 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.680 your hand when asked whether or not the border should 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.040 be decriminalized. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:31.720 Do you still believe that? 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.760 I believe there should be consequence. We have laws that 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.800 have to be followed and enforced that address and deal 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.240 with people who cross our border illegally, and there should 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.160 be consequences. And let's be clear, in this race, I'm 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:51.920 the only person who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations who 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.800 trafficking guns, drugs, and human beings. I'm the only person 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:00.120 in this race who actually served a border state as 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.040 attorney general to enforce our laws, and I would enforce 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.680 our laws as president going forward. I recognized the problem. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.120 In truth, Harris is part of an administration which has 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.800 an out of control illegal immigration issue, and the journalist 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.159 failed to press further on this fact. And after these 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.479 more serious questions, it got super weird, fluffy, and very promotional. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.839 Rather than digging into her record of policies, they started 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.839 asking about the amazing moment Biden stepped aside for her. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.040 And we have some never before shared details about the 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.800 phone call that changed everything between President Joe Biden and 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.400 Vice President Kamala Harris. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.920 Really that's your big exclusive, Well better be good. Let's 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.480 check it out. 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:52.320 My family was staying with us and including my baby nieces, 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:59.240 and we had just had pancakes and you know, Auntie, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.640 can I have more? Yes, I'll make you more bacon. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.280 And then we were gonna we were sitting down to 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.080 do a puzzle and the phone rang and it was 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.240 Joe Biden, and he told me what he had decided 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:15.480 to do, and. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.359 I asked him, are you sure? 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:28.160 And he said yes, and that's how I learned about it. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.359 Wow, compelling stuff. Harris has been hiding from hard hitting 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.280 interviews since launching her campaign, and this was actually an 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.279 opportunity for CNN to really test her candidacy. Instead, it 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.040 is clear that this joke of a network simply wanted 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:50.560 to promote her. It wasn't journalism, it was an endorsement. Well, 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.720 joining me on the show this week is Sky News 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.920 host Caleb Bond and Radio two Double C Stephen send 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.400 a tempo. Now, let's start with you, Caleb. I mean, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.680 could that have been more of a flagrant endorsement of 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.000 this person? What we just saw? 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.040 I don't even know how to respond to that, to 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:13.279 be perfectly. I mean, remember during the twenty sixteen campaign, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.560 CNN was derided as the Clinton News Network. Well, perhaps 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:19.640 in this case they should change to K and N 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.919 and be the Kamala News Network because what I just 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.279 watched there had more Mayo on it than a bad 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:30.520 burger from McDonald. Seriously, they have set her up as 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.560 though she's the second coming of Jesus, and we've got 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.240 to have Kamala Harris otherwise the US is going to 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.440 fall apart et cetera, et cetera. What you would expect 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.680 from an interview with any presidential candidate is a sit 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.280 down without the theatrics of all the production value. I 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.000 mean they've gone for like it's a docco that you're 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.599 going to watch on Netflix or something. Right, you don't 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.240 want the production value. You want a hard hitting journalist 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.000 sitting in front of someone who's asking to be elected 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.159 president of the US United States, asking hard questions for 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.640 an hour straight. You want to see the candidate squirm 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.880 and duck and dive and work out where they sit 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.240 on things. And that's not what you've got. You got, 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.160 as you've pointed out, a bit of a puff piece 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.960 and what seemed to be a promotional bit of material. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.200 I'm sure Camale will now be using it on all 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.119 of the social media because you know why, it spind 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.680 money making your own stuff. We're in seeing it'll do 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:25.320 it for you. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:26.080 Well, that's the thing. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:26.320 I mean. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.840 It was a pre recorded interview Stephen as well, so 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.280 they've had a lot of time to go in there 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.000 and polish and edit. The way that they through to 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.840 various clips and soundbites was very strategic. But to Caleb's point, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.480 you've got somebody that wants to essentially be the most 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.800 powerful person in the world, and nobody wants to test her, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:51.280 nobody has the courage to put it back against her policies. Well, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:52.120 there's a couple of things here. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.440 I was actually talking about this on my radio program 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.880 this morning, the fact that American politicians are not very 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.560 good when they front the media as opposed to Australian 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.600 politicians who do it far more often. And I made 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:04.960 the point that you know, as a talkback radio announcer, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.880 I can get the Prime Minister on my program from 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.160 time to time, whereas that will never happen in the 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.920 United States. They're very, very polished when they make a 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:14.000 speech that's been written by somebody else and they've got 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.880 an auto queue, but you put them in front of 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.520 somebody without a script and they're absolutely hopeless. But getting 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.560 back to the point here, we all knew CNM was 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:22.840 going to go this way. I mean, the fact that 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.200 it was edited down from what somewhere in the vicinity 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.600 of an hour to eighteen minutes tells you everything you 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.680 need to know about this. That it was always going 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.160 to be a promotional piece rather than a hard hitting interview. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.440 Yeah, and I knew it was Stephen and I mean, Caleb, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.480 let's bring you in here. I knew it was going 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.800 to be bad, but the way that they were segueing 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.000 this music, that the crying from the crowd. At one 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.200 point they threw up a photograph and they made it, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.640 you know, this historic photograph where she's kind of silhouetted 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.280 by a young woman, and tried to make it out 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.880 as if this was the greatest thing that was happening. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.199 I just cannot believe. I mean, this is why n 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.440 is losing viewers, isn't it. Surely people watch this and 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.760 the average American, the average person around the world watching 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:12.280 this election, they have to understand that this is deceptive. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.560 Yeah, I mean, look at maywell play well to the 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.640 CNN audience, but the CNN audience was going to vote 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.360 for Kamala anyway, So I don't know that it's done 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.640 her any favors. And of course, the strategy you seem 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.240 to be seeing from a media perspective here is much 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.920 the same as Biden in twenty twenty, which is, you know, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.840 put Kamala in the bunker, don't put her in front 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.800 of the media because she will slip up and we 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.080 know what she's like. I mean, if you see her 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.040 in free form interviews or not interviews, but you know 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.840 she's on a stage and like she's nuts, absolutely nuts, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.160 and that's what they're trying to protect her from. So 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.800 she does the rallies with scripts and auto q etc. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.319 This is the only interview she's agreed to so far, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.040 and she had to have her emotional support candidate next 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.760 to her while she did it. But it is so 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.600 staged managed as to be ridiculous. And that is one 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.760 of the areas. And I know Trump's in trouble in 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.760 the polls at the moment, but that is one of 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.280 the areas where Trump really has an advantage over Kamala 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.440 because he's not afraid of doing interviews and he's not 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:20.680 afraid of going off script. And so as the campaign progresses, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.360 if we don't see her do any more interviews, she 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.199 will hope that that is an advantage. But it gives 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.600 space for Trump to go in and suck up, use 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.280 the vacuum, and suck up all the space that Kamala 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.280 refuses to fill. 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.319 Yeah, exactly, And look Stephen Carmla Harris's performance. We can 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.120 critique it all day, but where I actually get a 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.480 bit angry about this. It's this journalist, Dana Bash. She 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.760 had the opportunity to probe. And I really think that 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.920 you owe your viewers, you owe them to probe somebody 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.000 that's about to take all of this power. She is 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.760 the front runner now, and yes, maybe a few weeks 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.200 ago Donald Trump was in the lead. But the polls 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.960 are saying she's likely going to be the next leader 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.920 of America and we're just sitting here just waving her through. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:08.720 I just find it unconscionable. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.000 Yeah, but you've got to look at the context of 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.360 a jack. I mean, you think back to the twenty 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.200 nineteen election when Scott Morrison was running and you know, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.360 and I'm not particularly a Scott Morrison fan, but the 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.560 media was en mass saying he cannot win, he cannot 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.880 win this election. He's gone, it's going to be a 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.400 bill shorton government. Then he proved them wrong, and many 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.080 secret and many people in the media here hated that, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.160 and they never forgave him for proving them wrong. It 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.400 didn't matter what his policies were, didn't matter what his 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.640 performance was. He proved us wrong and we're going to 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:38.079 get him. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:38.440 Well. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.520 Trump did the same thing in twenty twenty, and they 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.680 are out to get him because he proved them wrong. Now, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.280 you know, I wish Trump was more statesman like and 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.400 I wish he was different than he was, and he's 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.160 very combative and all of that, but ultimately, the biggest 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.560 crime is he proved the media wrong and they're going 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:53.480 to get him back for it. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.440 Yeah, it's a really good point. I mean, Trump has 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.120 labeled this interview boring, and in journalism that's maybe the 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.040 biggest sin you can admit if you're an anchor and 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.680 you have that opportunity. And Caleb, I mean, some of 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.840 those moments are just nauseating, where it's like, oh, tell 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.920 us about when Joe called you and changed change the world, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.280 you know, this coup essentially, or they're forced him to 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.440 step down and everything's just through these rose colored glasses. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.720 And this is the thing, right, So you can do 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.640 an interview like that, right, and so here it's Sky. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.559 News is not the first, not the very first interview 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:28.320 that she's done. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.760 But my issue is that they've dressed it up as 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.240 a journalistic interview. Right. So if you're going on with 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.400 a host who clearly leans to one side, and that's 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.280 what their program is you know what you're going. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:40.840 To get out of it. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.800 You know, if someone's interviewed by me on Sky News, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.640 they kind of know which way I'm going to go. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.560 Sometimes you don't know which way I'm going to go, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.240 but you kind of know which way I'm going to 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.880 go with it. Right. But what you expect out of 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.280 a presidential interview, particularly the first one, as you point out, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.960 is hard hitting journalism, and that's not what this was. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.640 It was an opinion in peace as opposed to a 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.720 piece of journalism. Decide which laying you're in and stick 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:04.959 to it. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.720 Yeah, and the production value behind it was honestly a 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.959 ken to a campaign and it was bad. But look, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.800 we're going to take a quick break when we're back. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.439 Albanesi accused of bullying after being caught on a hot 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:22.280 mike incident. Welcome back, Anthony Alberanesi was filmed at a 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.240 media event of the Pacific Islands Forum and Tonga, and 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.000 he was filmed talking about policy with US Deputy Secretary 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.400 of State Kurt Campbell. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:36.200 We had a cracker today getting the Pacific policing induitive. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.199 This fantastic is so. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:44.360 Important, made its action and I talked with Kevin about 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.120 it then, so you know we were going to do 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.240 something in the assets n so we did nothing. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:58.160 Given you Bowleen's on the cost if you. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:14:01.600 Like Alberanese is lack of discretion led to many headlines. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:06.120 It also raised eyebrows that Kevin Rudd was dictating policy 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.400 to the US because Albo got caught off guard by 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.920 the subsequent reporting. He lashed out at the young female 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.560 journalist who got the scoop. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:16.880 The video is what it is. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:22.920 Someone. It's up to them to whoever did that, to 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.480 think about their own ethics when it comes to journalism. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:32.280 It was a private conversation. It was a jovial conversation 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.200 and a friendly one. You know, it is what it is. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.080 Well, the media were invited to this event and the 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.920 Prime Minister was standing in public view. But instead of 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.160 laughing it off and owning what he said, he attacks 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.880 this poor woman. Now, she was there to be a 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.480 reporter to report on what was being said. And if 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.400 he is stupid enough to engage in secret geopolitical conversations 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.120 openly in public, people are going to report on it. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.240 To attempt to humiliate this woman and suggest she is 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.080 unethical is an extremely telling move. This is the man 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:12.200 who campaigned on transparency, who campaigned on integrity while in opposition. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.800 I'm more honest and transparent. A government going forward who 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.400 will make it transparent but being transparent, we will operate 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.520 in a transparent way. Transparent, we being transparent. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.800 But flash forward a few years now that he's got 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.160 the power, well, even the Guardian is labeling him more 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.320 secretive than the Morrison government. And keep in mind all 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.760 of the bluster from Labor about stamping out workplace bullying, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.960 but as soon as the media accurately quotes him, he 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.840 turns into a petulant bully. Well done to the journalist 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.960 for not being intimidated into deleting her footage, and shame 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.560 on any of those journalists ontour who let Albanezi slander 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:59.440 her without pushing back. Caleb, this was poor formed by Albanzi. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:01.760 I actually think this is one of the worst things 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.600 he's done. Because we were talking before the show. What 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.400 was being said on the hot mic wasn't really the 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.600 worst thing. So why is he getting upset? Was it 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.720 the Kevin Rudd reference? That's his writing policy, But it 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.680 took that little provocation for him to call this young 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.800 woman unethical and that could really tarnish her career? Why 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:23.400 would he do that? 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.440 And it's like as he's saying it, he's almost thinking 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.880 in his own hit, I probably shouldn't have said this because. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:29.760 It is what it is. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.720 It is what Well, if it is what it is, 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.000 why are you talking about it like it's such a 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.280 trivial issue. The bloke should have gone to specsators if 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.920 he could not tell that there was a journalist thereat 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:46.520 with the phone train, he had no idea that it 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.040 was happening. And then the next day I couple, how 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.120 dare someone was filming? We know if he didn't notice 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.080 that there is something seriously wrong. There was nothing particularly 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.880 egregious in what he said. I mean, you know, we'll 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.320 go Harvey so her keys. It was a joke. And 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.800 the fact that he was so incensed by that, I 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.800 think goes to the broader point that you made before 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.080 about the secrecy of this government. And this government has 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.120 routinely used when they're talking to people about potential policy 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:23.399 and legislation, they have routinely used nondisclosure agreements. If you 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.720 want to come in and help shape policy within this government, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.399 you have to sign a document to say that you 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.640 can't talk to anyone about what we've discussed or what 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.600 might form a particular piece of legislation or a bill. 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.080 That's not how open government is meant to work. And 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.639 I think what he's really angry about is that, for 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.000 the most part, they get away with doing what they 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.720 want without people knowing about it. And you know, the 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.679 tables have turned just a little, very slightly with a 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.520 journalist filming him in public and can't take it. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.119 Oh, how dare she do her job? Steven, I'd love 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:58.520 to hear your thoughts. Let's bring you in. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.359 Where do I start here? I mean, firstly that the 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:08.480 government is still indulging Kevin Rudd's delusions of grandeur and 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.919 letting him write policy. Whether he's admitted to Kirk Campbell 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.960 that we're so broke that we need to go Harvey's 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.040 on this policy, the fact that we're going to police 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.560 the Pacific but we won't pay the AFP properly and 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.280 we're holding back their pay rise. But look, I mean, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.159 he's right when he said the government was going to 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.640 be more transparent. He's true. We can see right through it. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.040 There's two ways about that. But you'd think, given how 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.840 badly he's performed with his comedy before. I mean, after 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.000 making that joke about live exports and a room full 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:35.920 of farmers, you'd think you give up on the jokes, 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.280 wouldn't you. I mean, it's just extraordinary. But I hate 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.360 this mentality that the thing that happened is not important. 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.880 The fact that somebody told you about it must be punished. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:48.120 It's the reality that's bad, not that you know it's 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.240 all crazy. Anyway, Let's move on now because news dot 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.360 com Dot a U Samantha Meiden and ABC presenter Patricia 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.760 carve Ellis had a bit of an awkward exchange on 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:57.520 air last week. 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.280 Let's have a listen, sam Maid. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.520 Look, the week has been again overshadowed by Gaza and visas, 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.120 but actually the government's achieved quite a bit actually. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.440 In the Parliament in terms of its legislative agenda. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:10.760 Right. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.480 There's a disconnect though, between those two messages. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.640 Ah, there's a disconnect between what message exactly? 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.359 How do you mean that? Which message? 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.160 Well, the government's had quite a lot of successes. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.280 In fact, David Spears, you've written a piece that says this. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.920 But you know, we've heard largely out of question time 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.000 questions around Garza and visas and national security. The government 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:34.640 has been on the back foot on that, but it's 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.800 actually done quite a bit in the Parliament at the 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:37.320 same time. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.359 Look, I am sure they have Patricia, but I'll be honest, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.720 I've been busy this week on other matters and this 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.480 question was not flagged with me, So I will have 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.800 to go to the mister Spears who's sitting next to me, 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.160 who wrote the article that you're asking me about. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:51.960 SORRYPK. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.560 I crammed on the eight other subjects that were flagged 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:56.560 this morning, but not that one because I wasn't. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:56.959 Flagged with it. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.320 Well, actually you were flagged with it because it was 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:01.120 all about the other things they've done. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.640 Yeah, well, you know, you push me. I push you back. 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:08.440 Babes, Where is it aged female aged care reforms? 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:17.480 Stephen? You're the radio expert on this matter. What would 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.200 you do if a guests if a guest came onto 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:21.120 your show like that? 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.479 I just p Is there any wonder that the ratings 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.600 for ABC Radio in Sydney are going through the floor 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.760 at the moment when that's what they're producing. I mean, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.640 I fell a sweep halfway through the question, but it's 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.919 just extraordinary. I'm a political reporter. I'm coming on your 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.880 show to talk about the week in politics, but I'm 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.240 not really across it. Can you make sure you please 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.680 stick to my script? Look, I don't know what I 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.199 would have done in that situation. I would have said, oh, okay, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.160