WEBVTT - The Mountains Called | Kerryn Vaughan - 912 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:07.480 She said, it's now never. I got fighting in my blood. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:09.639 I'm tiff. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.240 This is role with the punches and we're turning life's 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.640 hardest hits into wins. Nobody wants to go to court 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.400 and don't. My friends are test Art Family Lawyers. Know 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:25.919 that they offer all forms of alternative dispute resolution. Their 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.640 team of Melbourne family lawyers have extensive experience in all 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.960 areas of family law to facto and same sex couples, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.280 custody and children, family violence and intervention orders, property settlements 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.720 and financial agreements. Test Art is in your corner, so 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.440 reach out to Mark and the team at www dot 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.199 test Artfamilylawyers dot com dot au. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.400 Here she is everyone, It's Karen Vaughan. She's back. Karen Vaughan, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.760 our favorite regular guest. How are you mate? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.160 I'm good? How are you? 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:03.600 Where have you been? I've been more waiting for you 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:04.479 to get back here. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.319 Well, I've been in a poll. Look at my look 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.920 at my visual for anyone. If you're just listening on 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.840 the audio, you need to go to YouTube and have 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.959 a crack at this. But been in a pol I. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.080 Guess I'll have to put this episode on YouTube. Then 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.200 now you said that you're bastard. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.840 I'm getting paid by YouTube. Now you don't have to 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.720 put on YouTube. I've got a beautiful picture of the 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:32.880 Himalayas behind me. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.600 Oh god, oh what a place, What a place. You're 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.639 going to have to tell me about your your trip? 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.880 Yeah, of course I will. What do you want to know? 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.600 Do you want to just start your start there? 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:44.080 Go bad? 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:44.880 I want to start there. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.600 I want to hear all about it because it feels 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.720 it feels like so long ago since I was at 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.840 the Himalayas, which was not in the pool for me. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:57.280 But god, what a beautiful and massively impacting space. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.560 Yeah, but now I live with you. Agree that there's 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.040 a real energy, a real deep energy. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:06.720 Yeah it was yep. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.200 Yeah, and you cannot. I don't believe you can go 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:11.839 there and not be moved by it. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.919 Yeah. And even if you don't feel the energy, the magnitude, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:23.639 holy shit, you know it's just well anyway, so right, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:24.760 where do I start? 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:24.960 So? 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.000 Actually, all right, so where do I start? I got 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:33.520 jealous of you when you it's been on my bucket list. Well, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.240 when I say my bucket list has been on my 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.679 Oh that'd be nice to do some day, if ever, 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.520 I could dinner. You know, it was when one of 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.760 those are things. But then you were talking about it 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.919 and it sparked and re sparked me, you know, it 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.400 lit me up again, and I thought, why the hell 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.320 haven't you been, Karen? What the hell has stopped you 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.600 from going? And then I thought, actually nothing, I just 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.840 I just don't know. Neple's one of those places that 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.640 you feel is a bit big for you as a individual. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.919 This is how I feel. It's like it's a bit 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.440 it's a bit big, it's a bit mountain, it's a 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.720 bit snowy, it's a bit you know, trekky. It's not 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.960 my kind of thing, and I'm not a trekker. And 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.359 then I started to I was. I was on a 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.040 zoom court, not a I was on a zoom call 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.320 with this sister group that I have from a retreat 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.000 in Balley and and one of them was doing this 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.320 leaded meditator leading us into meditation, and she said, put 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.520 on a big pair of boots and take five big 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:32.240 leaps and where do you land? And the first one 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.520 was in my paddock, and the next one was like 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.680 I was in I was in Nepal, And next next 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:44.000 one I was doing. Yeah, I remember anyway, retreats in Nepal. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.480 I can't remember anyway. But but Nepal was like the 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.080 second one. And I thought, and so I just me 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.920 being me, and you know me too. If I just 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.960 decide on something, throw throw my boots in and all 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.560 and promise people ship that I don't even know if 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.280 I can deliver. So so I put in the crow. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.880 After I got off, I said, you know, my big 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.440 thing was Nepal. And I think, oh, I think I'm 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.440 going to run women's retreats in Nepal because I do 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.240 them in Cambodia. So I thought, well, what the hell 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.960 is just transferring to another country and as well as Cambodia, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.560 And so everyone in the group's like, I'm coming, I'm coming, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.760 I'm coming. So that it's like everything I do in life. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.440 People say I'm coming. Then I'm like, well, fucking now, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:30.760 I'm going to do it anyway. So I just decided, 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.680 fuck it, I'm going to do it. Now. Let me 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.279 tell you this bit. This is the best bit. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:34.560 Right. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.279 I knew nothing about Nepal. I didn't know where to start. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.000 So now I'm not one for years and chat gpt 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.400 to cheat, you know, and say, claim work is mine, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.799 but geez, I love it for ideas. So I punched 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.240 in there, I want to run a women's women's retreat 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.560 to Nepal. Give me an itinery, you know for eight 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.520 day itinery? And it did, and then I was like, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:00.200 then I wanted to find tune it. Oh well, well 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.400 what will I do there? You know, how is this 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.600 benefit beneficial to women? And blah blah. Anyway, it ended 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.960 up giving me. I did have to find tune it 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.480 a bit, but it was so there you go. If 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.039 you want to know where to go for holiday, just 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.960 ask chat tell you what it wasn't. It wasn't bad 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.920 at all. So when did Catman do? 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:18.240 So? 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.560 I ended up going with my sister because I you know, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.080 my sister and I have always been close, but we've 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.080 become much closer, you know. And I said, you want 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:29.479 to come to Nepal with me? She's like, oh, yeah, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.160 what do we can do? And I said, don't know, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.039 and we're just going to go check it out. So 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.520 wen do Catman do? I won't give you a you know, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.880 I'll let you ask some questions in there at some point. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.040 I won't just give you the whole bloody truth. 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.600 I'm just sitting back mate. Actually, I'm just going to 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:44.440 grab some popcorn. 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.400 Shed like a story. Tell you that if I remember, 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.880 when I get to the end, I tell you now. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.560 Oh you know, I run my Confident Leaders group and 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.640 there's one woman in there, Kathy. Oh you know Kathy. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:05:59.880 She's the best. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.159 Shout out to you, Kathy. She makes me laugh so 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:08.359 bloody hard. And she does this mimicking of cradling a 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.000 bucket of popcorn and then she just keeps putting her 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.440 hands come out. Then she said, I just love sitting 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.480 back one listen than to dramas she had them. And 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:23.080 the more she laughed and mimicked her chewing popcorn. God, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:29.760 she's funny. Anyways, you enjoy your popcorn. Sorry, I completely digress. Anyway, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:35.479 we get into Catman Do and we got to ride 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.520 from the airport. And I know, even if you haven't 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.599 been to Katman, if you've been to Katman Do, you'll 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.400 be saying yes if that's what it's like if you haven't. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:47.200 We were down all it's a mazes just like Amazer Labyrinth. 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.280 Do you know? Are we going down on his dark elyways? 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.200 And I'm like far out, I hope he's actually taking 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.479 as to where was bos were going, and we end 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.039 up in this beautiful little it's called the hotel Thrive, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:03.599 and it was like an It's this incredible, beautiful oasis 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.200 in the middle of a dusty city. Camando is actually 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.480 city of wood, that's what it means, and everything is 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.200 carved of wood. Is absolutely beautiful. But next morning we 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:18.160 go out and we only got as far as the 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.240 first intersection. And I mean when I say intersection, it's 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.600 like these little roads that are no bigger than your 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:28.200 bedroom door, just about you know, and that wide motorbikes 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.880 and push push bikes and people and carts and god 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.800 knows on. We just stood there. I was readier for 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.880 the motorbikes and my sister was like, oh, this isn't 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.560 this is no. I don't trust his traping one. It 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.120 was it was just like like a star, like a 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.480 how can I say it, like a wheel and you're 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.480 at the hub of the wheel and all the roads 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.120 let off like spokes. That's incredible. Actually, this young guy 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.800 comes up and he's he's saying, you know, do you 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.840 want I'm an artist, do you want to see my aunt? 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.920 You know, all this and stuff. So he took us 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.360 back to this like a like an art cave, and 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.520 we met his master, and he does he's a Buddhist artist, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.160 and they go up into the Himalayas and for weeks 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.280 to paint paintings, do you know, And they're only the art. 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.520 Only the masters are allowed to paint certain things, you know, 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.400 like mandulas and like particular mandelas and everything else. And 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.400 it takes ten years to become a master. So we 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.320 did that, and then he and we bought a painting. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:31.680 Each said, I wouldn't have known that. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.040 Do you know what? 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.280 If we just stood there and tried to work our 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.400 own way around cam and do one, we'd be lost, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.800 never find that out. But then he took us around. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.680 He showed us all the temples and it was just 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.320 bloody fabulous. And I think that sometimes we travel and 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:48.800 we don't want to talk to people, you know, we 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.920 kind of like do I trust people? Do I know? 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.880 But we would never have found that, you know, he 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.079 enjoyed it, and we've got these beautiful paintings that were 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:04.560 done by a Buddhist master artist and there's just bloody fantastic. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.000 And anyway, that was about x me. I stayed there 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.480 one night, and then we went out to Penauti Village 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.560 or Penaughty Village. And it's one of the things I 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.400 asked chat GPT is about women's you know, like give 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.600 me some stuff about women. And there's it's called Community 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.520 Homestay Network and it's really big in Nepal and I 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.560 don't know if it's anywhere else, but it's definitely big 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.120 in the pau And all these women open their homes 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.240 like some have got husbands and some haven't, but the 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.120 women run it. They open their homes for you to 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:42.120 stay it, you know, and it's great. I mean, it's 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.720 not going to say it's luxurious. It certainly isn't very basic, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.920 but you eat with the family, you cook with them, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.880 it are far out. It was magnificent. So we spent 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.080 three nights there with Mina and she took us around 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.360 the village to to her friends pass who couldn't speak English. 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.000 But we just sat there and had tea cups of 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.400 teas and it was just bloody magnificent. And I'll tell 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.440 you what, I'm really tough because she doesn't speak English 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.960 and she's got a couple, two daughters and a daughter 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:23.520 in law who do all the translating, and one of 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.080 the daughters said to us on the last second, last day, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.160 Mum wants to take you up to Namba Buddha Temple, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.840 which was the highest point we got to it, which 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:36.560 was about eighteen hundred meters, and she said, Mum's never 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.679 ever done that for anyone. She said, she always sends 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:46.360 one of ours. And so she got us a little 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.319 tiktook with a female driver. Shit, no, shit, the hills 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.760 are like about whatever that is, but very very steep, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:59.600 and we went up to this temple. It was just 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.600 bloody beautiful. I absolutely would say if you're going to Nepal, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.840 go and spend a couple of days or you know, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.880 at a at a community home stay and with a 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:17.600 family far out, dear, it was amazing and we can 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.280 come back twenty of this or you're gonna ask me 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.360 a question, won't you. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:20.480 No. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.640 I just well, I'm just thinking like it's reminding me, 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.200 it's taking me right back there and that that energy 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.720 you're talking about. And I remember the last day sitting 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.600 at the home like we were. We stayed at the 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:40.679 Christia something temple Chrishna Temple in Nagar and I'm sitting there, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.920 you know, and the food they cook is exquisite but 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.760 so fucking basic and the way you appreciate it. And 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:49.960 I'm just sat there and I thought. I remember thinking, 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.200 I don't want to go. I'd stay here by myself 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.400 with this family, like I'd let my friends could go home, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.800 and I could stay here indefinitely and appreciate every moment 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:02.280 and like. 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.280 I'm a foodie, you know, when when. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.240 It came lunchtime and we had when we're on the 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.679 mountain and we had to unpack our lunch box and 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.040 there would be a like a shit sand We'd like 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.560 a literally like a sandwich. You'd get it primary school, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.400 like do you shit Cole's white bread? And a piece 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.800 of plastic cheese and some you know, and it was 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.000 there was such gratitude and I loved it. And it 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.280 was just like if this gut served me in Australia, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.480 I'd throw it at somebody. But because you've got so 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:38.200 much awe around you, because the people are so connected 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.640 with you, it changes. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.920 It changes you. You're changed in that moment. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.960 I agree, Harry, I agree. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:47.800 Tell me more. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.920 Right then we went to It's just so good, except 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.600 so my initial thought was I'm going to go over 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:00.240 there and see if it would suit a women's retreat. Body. 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.280 I I'm an art about that a lot. And it 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.240 was all right at first, and yeah, but then if 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.680 we stay, how would we all stay in a home, 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.400 stay and be you know, different homestays and be close 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.839 to each other, and a lot of questions. But then 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:18.040 we went to Bandapur and you know, only because acause 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.200 Chatchi he told me do. But as I was talking 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.160 to you know, Nepolice people, they were saying, oh, band 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.680 a p that's the most beautiful town in Nepal, just 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:33.880 absolutely beautiful. And it's this really old village I'm going 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.600 to guess, and I'm guessing five six hundred years old, 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.559 I don't know, you know, like and it was still 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.960 functional building. Some of the doorways are like crookeder there's 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.800 leaning over and that, and it's all these little cafes 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.440 and it's they've blocked off the main street so that 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.720 you you drive and it goes all the way up 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.840 this hill like, oh my god, a long way up 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.840 and then tiny little windy road all the way up. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.520 But when you get to the top, cars a und 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.280 aloud past the entrance of the town. So it's all 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.120 just pedestrians, do you you know, And oh my god, 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.720 what a what a what a place. And we stayed 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.439 in this place and and I kept looking out going, 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.360 oh god, look at those clouds and just you know, 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.640 that sort of thing. And then that night we had 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.680 a thunderstorm. We stayed in this place. We didn't have power, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.320 two nights, we didn't have any old water. Would I 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.920 wouldn't recommend it a luxury, but anyway there was. It was fine. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.920 And then we had a thunderstorm the first night and 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:40.400 then I was standing outside looking and I went, that's 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.440 not clouds, that's the humalayas were snow on them, you know, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:48.040 and it was like, oh my god, you know, and 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.480 it was just like this amazingness. It was just incredible. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.320 And the next morning we see it properly, you know, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.520 it wasn't shrouded by thunderstorm and everything else, which by 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.120 the way, made it beautiful. And we went up to 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.280 that there's this solo monk and that one of the 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.560 real things I wanted to be in this Bandapoo is 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.880 there's this Buddhist temple up on the hill behind the village, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.120 and it's one solo monk thereby himself, do you know, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.360 And he's trying to extend it so that hopefully more 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.520 more monks will join him. But we went up to 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.920 look for this temple and there's a lookout and I 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:27.640 said I might as well have a look at the lookout. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:33.840 Holy shit, it was just this unbroken view of the 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.880 Himalayas is covered in snow, and I was just like, yeah, shit, 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.040 it's like he could touch them, do you know. I'm 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.320 sure we were still a couple of kilometers away from it, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.600 you know, a time, but it was amazing. Then we 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.880 saw when I saw the monk, and oh my god, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.200 he blessed our beads and gave us tea and tea 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.440 and pick your best cup of tea. Oh my godfather, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.120 I don't know what they do with their tea over there. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:16:00.600 Tea and milk and sugar, cheese, cross, honey, lovely, And 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:06.080 it was just magnificent. We went back up to that 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.600 temple the next morning to see sunrise, and it's big 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.640 mountain and the sun just cracks its way around the 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.080 edge of the mountain and then starts to light up 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.840 the humalays in light up the snow. Ah Jesus, there 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.280 were so many of those moments that were just like 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.840 there was surreal, you know, and you could literally this 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.800 might be woo woo for some people. I don't give 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.000 a ship and a state anyway. You can literally feel 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.000 your soul buzzed. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:32.560 You know. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.720 It was just like wow. But I tell you, but 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.040 there's this one thing though, because I'm imagining taking you know, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.560 eight women over there and getting a minibus and you know, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:51.080 and so we drove from Penaudi village to Bandit one 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.400 hundred and thirty kilometers not far, is it, tiff if 0:16:55.400 --> 0:17:00.680 you live in Boody Country, Victoria one hundreds of kilomeus 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.080 took us eight and a half hours. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.840 I was going to say, that's on roads there, that's. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.520 Darnees and buses coming at you on THEREI mountains, landslides 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:19.840 and yeah, monkeys, ah, you name it. And it was like, oh, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.119 you you know, and you don't really stop for a toilet. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.200 We did. We stopped for lunch and Jesus, you know, no, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.240 put it this way. I don't think a bus full 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.560 of sixty year old women or fifty would go, oh 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.920 that's a good squat hole, let me have a crack 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.800 in that. I think the road, I think the road 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.720 journey is probably not the best for a women's retreat, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.560 but that was great. We stayed a couple of nights 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.639 and go shout out to Mina was the woman I 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.760 stayed with him Penadi and shep far at you beautiful. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.160 And Babita we met in Bandit Poot and she made 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.919 all those Nipolie clothes. I should have won one of 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.879 my Nepalese tops on. I should have done that for you, 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:09.159 just for the energy. I bought so many clyent Nepalese tops. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.160 I love them. I used to wear them long time ago. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.320 I haven't found me for ages. And I saw this 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.480 little kid in a little outfit and a little Marone outfit, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.320 and I said to my sister, the kids only about three. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.640 I so I want I want one of them. No, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.560 I got all these buddy fantastic clothes. And Babita, who 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:33.520 owns this little shop there, she's just a beautiful, beautiful woman. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.359 And the you know, all the kids begging for chocolates, 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:41.040 all the kids everywhere Gonney chocolate, gone chocolate. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.679 Anyway. Oh god, I sound like. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.000 A kid in a bloody lolly shop. Don't know, and 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.240 I don't know, I don't know. Why for some reason, 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.200 there's a lot of there's a lot of Indian tourists, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.440 and the Indian women were very attracted to Susan, my sister, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.920 like they all wanted to have a photo with, you know, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.760 and all the neple Lee's women were attracted to me. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:06.960 It was a very funny thing. But this family said 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.639 they haven't and a couple at a cafe in this 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.080 this family, I think they're Indian, come past and they 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.520 just wanted to take photos with us, you know. And 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.800 the mother was she got to a point taking a 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.480 photo with us that she was laughing so much that 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.040 it was like joy just bursting from a gut to you, 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:29.359 you know. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:30.119 It was. 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.320 It was amazing. Do I sound like a kid in 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.400 a china shop? I do? Or in a lolly shop? 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.879 I do? Don't I my face from just smiling with 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:45.560 the excitement of it all. And then we went to. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:51.000 After that, we went to Pokra, which was about a 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.359 two and a half hour drive. That wasn't far away. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.600 There was about fifty bloody guys, but anywhere everything takes 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.000 so long. The road was mildly better and we stayed 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:03.600 in at that time, we stayed in a five Star 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.639 Resort with it. I'm going to try it all, you know, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.280 to see if I'm going to bring women here, what 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.760 what's going to work and what's not And like poker. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.639 At first, when we first got there, I found it 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.240 a little bit sailsy and pushy, do you know, whereas 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.520 whereas there's none of that in the other places. I 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.760 just didn't find that. But well, I think it was 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.000 because I was tired and grumpy too, don't you know 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.080 when you're you know, you've been in the car and 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.600 if you're just pissed off and it's like, nah, it's 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:35.439 I'm just enough enough, already enough of the car banging 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:40.240 me bloody bones around. And it turned out quite nice. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.680 It was right on the lake, and one reason I 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:47.280 wanted to go there was because there's a well it's 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.200 on a lake and it's utterly beautiful, you know. But 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.080 there's this little island with a Hindu temple and I thought, oh, 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.200 that'ud be so nice. People say, get a rowboat, go 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.240 out to this temple. But what I discovered learned before 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.720 we went, so I knew about it. On a Saturday. 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.920 They have animal sacrifices out there and they take out 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.960 chickens and ducks and baby goats and all that shit 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:15.200 to sacrifice to the gods, which for a religion, don't 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.639 get me wrong, not bag and Hindu. I'm just saying 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:24.000 that this doesn't sit with me. To worship animals, you know, 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.320 and be vegetarian you know, and all that sort of stuff, 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.080 and then to sacrifice things like baby goats so that 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:34.240 God will be kind to me. I kind of find that. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.080 In fact, that was my biggest challenge. Actually, let me 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:39.880 tell you the next bit, Bega, then I'll come back 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.560 to that, because I was really challenged by that part 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.399 of the religion. One of the guys who was the 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.159 what was he the food and hospitality manager, said, oh, 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:53.600 I can get you a car and a taxi and 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.600 you know, you can go up to the Sheiva temple 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.679 right up the top. And we went up. When they 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.720 say you can get a taxi up there, Ah, yeah, 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.600 the taxi takes your part of the way and then 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.440 you've got a high, cup bloody mountain for about half 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.000 an hour before you get to it, which we didn't 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.440 know about that, but we still made it work. And 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.000 that was just incredible, this beautiful, big Hindu temple. It 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.480 was massive and straight with a view straight onto the Himalays, 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.520 you know, just beautiful. Then we went to the World 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.000 Peace Stupa, which is a Buddhist temple, and the same 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.640 same thing is you have to hike up a hill 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.359 bloody half an hour to get to it, but still 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.480 with a view of the Himalays. Oh my god, it's majestic. 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:40.080 And then he says, you know, so he says, go 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.040 to the Shiva Temple, go to the World Peace stupor 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:48.719 go to Mahendra Cave and then go to the Diva Falls. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.640 And so we thought that was our that was our 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:55.080 itinerary for the day. We went to Mahendra Cave and. 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:56.480 It is in. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.080 Well, actually I think it's man. I might be saying 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.119 the wrong cave anyway, I started with an M. And 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.000 it's in the near Pokra and Pokra and we went 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.480 there and we knew it was a cave that was 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.320 a temple. Well we didn't know and didn't expect, and 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.520 I got very pissed off. Be honest, here, some of 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.960 the Indian men were just because they come and visit 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.720 the temples, were just fucking rude. Do it, just like 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:32.200 really fucking horrible and not everybody, but just and I'm 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.320 not being racist, but it was just like an entitlement, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.320 you know that. And I'm a man, and several times 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.040 I tried to buy tickets and you know, stuff like that, 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.040 and they were just push in front of me and 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.920 elbow me in the face, you know, just and get 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.760 And by the time we got to these caves, I 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.399 was a bit pissed off with it, you know, and 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.480 so I started standing up for myself a little bit 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.200 and not didn't go against me, but still didn't bloody 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.760 help do you know, still still served him first. But 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.640 I sort of was really agitated about it by then. 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.200 You know, I'm like, you, man, you know, your assholes 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:10.320 don't fucking do that. You know, just because I'm a female, 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.399 you don't get to bloody just pushing and you just 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:15.040 don't get to. 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:15.720 Do that, you know. 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:17.639 And clearly, I'm not going to punch someone in the 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.639 face in a strange country, not that I do that anyway, 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.119 but you know what I mean, Clearly I'm not going 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.760 to start a fight and bloody Nepal. But we got 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:32.800 our tickets and it was you have to go down 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:37.280 all these spiral stairs and into the cave and with 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:43.400 everyone pushing, like I'm talking hundreds of people pushing into 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:48.159 your back to get to this cow statue, which was 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:53.760 you know, worshiping part. And then after that you go 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.159 down more stairs into another layer of cave to the 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.200 next bit of the temple. And we got into this 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.800 cave and everybody's pushing. I'm talking hundreds of people going 0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.520 down the same little stair well, and you just went 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.119 with it, you know, and they're chanting, and that didn't 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:17.639 bother me. But it was quite a um can I 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.880 say about the chant It was kind of like almost 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.760 hypnotic that they didn't even know they were where they were. 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.040 It was like they're like that left their body and 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.520 they were just sort of which is wonderful, but not 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.119 when you're in the middle of it, not when you're 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.480 in the middle of getting dragged down these stairs and 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:38.480 everything else. And then we got down there and I 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:42.800 looked up and thought, it's stunk. It was mil dewy 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.520 and mossy. Fuck it smell black mold. Was buddy gonna 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.719 kill me? And it's stunk. There was water just dripping 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.760 all over the floor. The floor was slippery. People were 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.480 just pushing and then I went a little bit further 0:25:55.680 --> 0:26:04.320 into my catastrophic thinking and went, fuck earthquakes, landslides. I'm 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.639 under the mountain here, I'm in a cave with hundreds 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:12.400 of people. Can't breathe. I said to my sister, we're 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.119 out of here. We're not going down to the second level. 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.040 We're getting out of here. And then we had to 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.560 fight back through everybody to get to get back. It 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.840 was awful. And they've got all these shops around the 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.040 entrance and they're real, real pushy, say you know what 0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.119 I mean? And I just said, I can't do this, 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:34.440 Diva falls. I just can't, you know, like I've had 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.400 enough enough. So I think I sort of grumpied myself 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.360 out of a good day, do you know what I mean. 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:44.080 But the first two temples up on the all they 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.360 were bloody fantastic. 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:48.040 Yeah. 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.000 And we got a cable car. Oh that's right. And 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:54.760 then we wanted to see the sunrise and we went 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.520 to the reception, said what time do we how can 0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.160 we see sunrise? How can we get this? She said, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.440 oh yeah, bus comes up four am. Oh god, this 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.840 is funny. The bus comes at four am. We'll get 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:04.480 a shuttle bus. 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:05.600 And so. 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:11.720 She booked us a bus for four am, and so 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.080 we're waiting in the lobby at the hotel five star, 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.879 five star, well, you know, we wouldn't call it a 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.119 five star, but anyway, it was for there waiting for 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.760 a shuttle bus. Next thing she goes, go go, it's 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.800 coming run out of the front. Who had to run 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.120 out onto the road if one of the public buses came. Yeah, 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:35.800 and it was full, absolutely all of people. So I'm 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:40.160 sitting on the gearbox box, you know, the fun others 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:45.360 send up some blokes me half way up the bush 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.320 and I'm trying to hang on some blakes shaking my 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.960 hand and I'm like, Jesus, I need that hand to 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.439 hang on to the side of the blade. They were 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.440 around the corners and when they drive, they just like drive, yeah, 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.080 we're going, We're go. And I liken it to a 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:03.080 four year old boy from driving a go cart. You know. God. 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.439 He took us up to the up to the cable 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.760 car and we we we saw the sun right, Oh 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.560 my god, that was that was spectacle. That's where this 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.360 photo is behind me, but not that anyone can see 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.000 it because you don't put things on YouTube, and you 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.760 deprive people of great scenery. 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:27.159 But well, you send me a bloody picture of you 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.600 in front of it, I'll use it as the caver image. 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.720 Yeah, oh yeah, okay, I think I have one. I 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:33.080 don't know. 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:34.440 So. 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:39.120 So it was incredible that that was utterly incredible, was 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.160 worth a four am start, was worth it, worth the 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.080 driving the bus like afoorteen year old go cart driver. 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.560 It was bloody, it was bloody great. And by the 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.360 time when we came home Catman dou Airport, I'm not 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:55.760 I'm not going to give it any praise. There's nothing 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:59.240 I can say about it that's good. And you know, 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.440 still she bastards and you know, I was just like, 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:04.680 I was so glad to get on the plane but 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.480 from the airport, the airport was shipped. But wow, and 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.760 that's about it in a nutshell. But now you can 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.840 ask me anything, tif I will allow it. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.840 Mate. What a bloody ride? What a ride? 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.000 Yeah, that's what it was like. 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:25.400 Yeah, what changed you or what did you feel that 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:30.360 you didn't expect to feel there or when you came home? 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:39.600 Gratitude, A lot of gratitude, you know, yeah, a lot 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:43.920 of warmth. I don't know actually I can say those 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.040 two things, but I also had a lot of anger 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.520 and which kind of don't go together, you know. I 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.640 had a lot of conflict, to be honest, because oh yeah, 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.520 I was going to say about hind You know, Hindu 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.840 part of the Hindu religion is that the cows are 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:05.280 so acre and in Pokra, cows were just walking in 0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.400 the shops or they were sleeping on the roads. You 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.640 had to drive around them, you know, just walking up 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.720 the town. No worries that. I love that. But everywhere 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.480 else they were tied you know, through the nose and 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:23.560 on very short ropes, and when I'm saying, like less 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:25.880 than two foot of rope, you know, tied to a pole. 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.960 And they would they would come out and be tied 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.520 to these poles in this like maybe three meters by 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:36.360 three meters kind of patch, you know, and they would 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.600 just sit there all day. I didn't see any water, 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.200 you know, there's there's hay. They'd gone. Hey, But then 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:46.240 they went into a shed in the afternoon, so they 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.960 brought out into the sun every day, which that's I 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.400 don't know. See I'm big on animals having shelter, but anyway, whatever, 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.360 some people might disagree. And then then later in the afternoon, 0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.120 they put them back in this little shed and to 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.640 close the doors, but they were tied to poles in 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:08.560 the shed, and I, you know, patched this little calf, 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:10.880 and I spent a bit of time with this little calf, 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.080 and all I wanted to do was just cuddle into 0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.200 me this and I reckon it's the first bit of 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:22.200 love it's ever ever got. And I was really deeply conflicted, 0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:27.280 you know, really in a lot of pain, and thought, 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.520 how can you on one hand revere you know, cows 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.520 or cattle, not all cattle, because they eat the buffalo, 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:39.360 eat the yeah, buffalo, But how can you on one 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:43.320 hand do that and then sort of not knock. I 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.880 don't know, maybe that is what they how they care 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.000 for them, But all I could think was, why can't 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:49.880 you put a little fence around and just let them 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:52.960 roam free within that area, even though it's a tiny area, 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.080 you know, just not be tied up by the nose 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.520 through this this rope through the nose. But anyway, that 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.560 was one thing, and then there was a lot of 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.840 dogs that actually looked quite well, do you you know, 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.080 like to be honest for dogs at the street dogs 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.960 that's the best in the world. I've ever seen street dogs. 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.760 They looked okay, and people seem to care about them 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:19.160 to you know, just everyone was not no one well 0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:21.960 basically there was no beating and no you know. I 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.480 only saw one really awful dog in Van der Purn 0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:28.280 that had a terrible skin condition. There were tons of 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:32.800 Golden retrievers. Mina had a Golden Retriever God Simba. It 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:39.800 was I loved, but lots of Golden Retrievers. But when 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.320 I was in Panaudi, we went down into the old 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:47.360 village and I was patting all the dogs and I'm 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.560 sure people were thinking, don't do that. You don't know anyway, 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.520 I'm not just still rare. I was a bit careful, 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.600 you know, just making sure they looked like they were 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.680 a bit sane before adding a rabid dog. 0:32:58.800 --> 0:32:58.960 You know. 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.600 But this one dog, he was absolutely majestic and a 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:08.440 stunning God. He was a beautiful dog and looked almost dingo. 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.360 He just there was something about him. I had this 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.240 presence that was just incredible. And I noticed he had 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.360 three like scars on his leg that were just like, 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:22.920 look just healed up and real deep. I'm talking big, 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.640 probably a centimeter wide, you know, and maybe six centimeters long, 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:31.640 big gashes, three of them, and I took a photo 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.960 with him, cuddled him, he kissed my face. You know, 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.960 we loved a little scratch. It was just beautiful, shared 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.800 this beautiful moment. And then I walked away and I 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.280 hear him. Not even twenty seconds later, I hear this 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:49.240 sickening crack and this dog just scream. Oh my god, 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:51.560 I've never heard a dog scream like it. And I 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.240 turned around and it was that dog. And there was 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.720 a woman sitting on the footpath selling no no, I 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:58.520 don't know what. She had, vegetables or something. I didn't 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.960 look enough because I actually wanted to killer in the moment, 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:06.320 but she she had a metal pole and she had 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.080 hit it that heard on the leg that all the 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:13.360 all the three wounds had opened up and they were bleeding, 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.080 and and it was carrying its leg like its leg 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:21.520 was broken, you know, And I was I can't tell you. 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:22.040 I was. 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.279 Now, I'm not saying people in Nepolo crawled dogs, because 0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:29.759 they're not. This this one that was the only well 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.520 maybe scared or something, but this is the only instance 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.320 of cruelty that I saw like that. But I was 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.800 so conflicted, I like, I wanted to pick up that 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.640 stick and just whack her. You know, I was so 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:48.279 fucking angry I wanted the dog just looked at me, 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.880 and I just felt fucking sick. I felt like, you know, 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.040 oh I said, was that, I'm so sorry. Do you 0:34:55.200 --> 0:35:00.320 know I couldn't help it. There's nothing I could friggin do. Actually, 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.440 now I've spoken to people who are vet vets and 0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.640 vetnases and that kind of stuff. There is actually a 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.160 black there's a magic powder you can get. It's like 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:14.239 a black puffer powder, you know, anyway, and you can 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.880 actually just puff it on and it's and it heals 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.000 up wounds. So next time I go to any of 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.360 those places, I'm taking some so that the least I 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.200 can do if I see a dog in that that's in, 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.279 you know, I can at least put some bloody out 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.920 puffer and accepting. It's called black magic or something like. 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:31.360 I don't know what it's called, but anyway, I know 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.839 I found it, and so in future I'll be able 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:38.719 to do that. But I was really sickened by it, 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:43.480 and I asked Shrezanna, who was Mena's daughter in law. 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.759 I said, do you how do people in Nepal feel 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:50.960 about dogs. You're about dog cruelty and she said, no, no, no, 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.000 we don't do that. We don't hurt dogs. And said 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:55.800 that woman just did and she said, yeah, I know, 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.720 maybe scared of it. Maybe it's she said, it's not okay. 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:04.279 People in the pool don't think that's okay. And I said, 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:06.440 and she said, we have a big dog festival and 0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:10.000 they do which they do in October to celebrate dogs. So, 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.640 you know, on one hand, I was sickened by it, 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:15.719 never wanted to go back there again. This is in 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:19.480 the in the moment, you know, just really cranky. But 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.640 then then I thought, well, shit, you know there are 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:27.279 fucking assholes in Australia too, you know. Don't don't just 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.920 be thinking it's people there, you know, And I've I 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.960 know some cruel bastards, not friends, but you know that 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.960 are just as bloody cruel And look what we do 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.960 to our in our meat industry, do you know. Hey, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.200 On one hand, I'm saying, you know, you shouldn't have 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.640 bloody ropes through noses and time to two foot two 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.400 foot bits of thing, but we're just as bloody cruel. 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.560 So I had a lot of I had a lot 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.920 of conflict I'm gonna tell you. And I don't think 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.480 it was Nepal. I think my psyche was ready, do 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:08.919 you know, to have some challenges, and I just think 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:14.319 it happened to be Nepal. And yeah, but I did, 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.879 like from then on, every dog I saw, I made 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.360 sure I gave every dog I saw some loved, you know, 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:24.120 just so they knew someone cared. But yeah, I was 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.000 kind of like that, real deep love and gratitude, but 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:34.960 also anger and fury and conflict, and started questioning religion 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:39.839 A lot. I like Buddhism a lot I born. If 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.719 you would say born Christian, I would don't know if 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.480 I'd even bother to say that. But you know, I 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.360 don't follow any religion, but Buddhism I like, and because 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:53.360 of its kindness. And but this all this business with 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.200 all these Hindu temples and that, and everybody sort of 0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.680 pushing you out of the way and just caring about 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:07.520 their own, you know, you know, Lord Shiva, whoever they 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.400 brain to give me protection, give me money, give me success, 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.239 give me give me me, me, me, me me, you know. 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:18.360 And when I was in the Buddhist temple before that 0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:22.320 in Banditpur, all I was asking for and this is 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:24.200 all I ever asked for a liddle candle, and I'm 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:28.960 asking for, you know, world peace, and you know, whatever 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.759 I can do, show me how to do that, you know, 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.759 give me the whatever I need to make sure I 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.120 can contribute to world peace. And to me, that's maybe 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.719 I'm just being Maybe I'm just being self righteous. I 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:47.279 don't know, but I don't under I think if you're 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:51.160 going to do that, you, if you truly care about stuff, 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.160 that wouldn't you be asking for bigger than yourself. Wouldn't 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:59.640 you be asking for? So I got conflicted by that. 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:05.520 Well do you know that, how can religion be so selfish? 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:08.000 You know that people they keep it's their own success 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.719 and they'll push anyone out of the way just to 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:16.200 get their own success. So I'm not bagging any religion. 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.960 I'm not bagging any individuals, you know. It just was 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.640 just my own in a conflict that. Yeah, it took 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.799 a real beating to be honest. So on one hand, 0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:30.400 it's exciting, fun, beautiful, loving, and then I had some 0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.400 real I had some real challenges to be honest. 0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:38.839 I remember before I went to India feeling challenged because 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.600 a few people that had been and been to Delhi specifically, 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:47.440 were telling me about how it was, but also I 0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:51.440 just kept the message I kept hearing for better or worse, 0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.160 whether or not that was their intention, but was you're 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.600 a Caucasian female, and you won't be safe, fair, and 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:02.920 you won't be respected. And so I found myself feeling 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:07.040 quite angry and unwelcome before it had even gotten there. 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:11.000 So when I got there and my entire experience was 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:18.480 the exact opposite to that, it was incredible. But yeah, 0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.839 it's a polarizing place. I remember, you know, you're confronted 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:28.680 by the very, very poor and thett and it's very The. 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.600 City's just filth, just filthy. 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:37.439 And I remember walking through Old Deli and seeing three 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:42.240 rows of people squatting like they like on their feet, 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.200 but squatting like fully onto the ground in positions that 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:51.279 we can't get to in our western world, but three 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.279 rows on both sides of this small little street. And 0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:59.080 the I'd gone for dinner with a guy from India 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.760 at my hotel the one night that I had stayed 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.400 by myself, and he took me to this beautiful restaurant 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.759 in Old Deli and he walks down there and he said, 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:09.640 do you want me to buy them food, and it 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.480 was this restaurant that cooks plates of food for them 0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.600 and you can go and pay for a certain number 0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.120 of plates and that feeds the homeless people that are 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:18.120 waiting in the lines. 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.719 Wow, who were seeing things like that? 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:25.640 I remember they have these free hospitals as well, so 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.880 you can go and be cared for in these free 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:34.359 healthcare and free hospitals. So it's got some really confronting 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.880 aspects where you just you don't want to see what 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.320 the reality of what is some people are living like. 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:49.040 But also there is a really beautiful, generous richness. 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.680 To it as well that I wasn't aware of. 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.640 It's crazy, Yeah, it's very It is polarizing. Yeah, polarizing, 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:01.920 I think is a great Nepal wasn't like that definitely? 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:02.560 That was Delhi? 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.520 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that was right in the city 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:08.279 of Delhi. Did you say it Delhi at all? 0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:11.400 No? I didn't go. I just flew straight to I 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:15.000 went to Singapore, then to cat man Do. Yeah, and 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.759 we flew. We drove all the way over to Pakara 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.640 via multiple towns, but then we flew back from Pokra 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:27.040 to cat Mandu. So I didn't know I didn't go 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.000 anywhere near India other other than it's very close to 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:36.160 the board. I did, very close. But yeah, it's funny, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.719 isn't it. I think it's life changing. And I don't 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.040 think it's a bad thing to be polarized. And I 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.800 don't think it's a bad thing to be confronted or 0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:50.600 to be to have conflict and to question yourself. I don't. 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.000 I think that's a really good thing. And so as 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:54.840 much as there were things that I didn't like and 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.160 you would have been the same things you didn't like, 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.000 the opportunity to see them and be confronted and be 0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:05.560 conflicted and to be angry and to be empathetic and 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:10.120 to be upset and to be like the emotions are 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:16.720 just just staggering, you know, the speed and the depth 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.759 of the emotions. But what what what are we on 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.200 this earth for, you know, to be to be comfortable 0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:28.160 and sheltered and live in a world where you know, 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.400 we expect everyone to be like us? Or are we 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:36.080 here to to grow and become even I think we 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:42.040 constantly on a spiritual growth and an emotion emotional intelligence 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:47.680 growth journey, and I think you can't grow. I think 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.640 it's called growing pains for a reason, like I think 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:55.920 pain causes growth, and would I was I pissed off? 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:56.560 Fuck? 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:56.799 Yes? 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.759 Would I was? I cranky at Katmandu Airport, yet never 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:02.040 come back here at the end because I was so 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.960 shitted off with everyone by then and men spitting on 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:08.120 the ground. I'm gonna say that in the poll the 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.319 men spit on the ground, and I did. I did 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:12.680 not like that. By the time I got to the airport, 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.440 I was sitting at a row of seats waiting to 0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.160 check in, and there was a water machine, you know, 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:26.040 a water dispenser running, and all fuck I counted, I counted, 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.880 worked out to be two hundred people every hour were 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.799 coming up to this. I didn't count for the whole 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:35.000 air I just didn't average. I'm coming up to this thing. 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:36.920 But they would drink it, and then they would spit. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.360 They'd lift the bin lid right next to me and 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:45.400 into the bin, and I was like, can you imagine, 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.759 like I'm just I don't there's nowhere else to set 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.680 and oh my god. And then and then they get 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.959 the bushy people trying to one body shop to buy food. 0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.239 It was awful food and trying to buy it, and 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.960 I just, oh my god, get me on that fucking plane. 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.360 And I don't care if I don't care if you 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:08.319 feed me plastic cheese and a sandwich, just get me out. 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.160 They were the best plastic cheese sound just to ever. 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:13.560 Happy with that. 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.480 But by the by the time I got home and 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:20.360 had to sleep, and you know, and you know, settled 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.120 down the next day and looked at all the clothes 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:24.600 I bought, and so when I spend a few hours 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.000 taking them up to for my stumpy little arms and 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.600 all that sort of stuff, by then I was back 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:33.080 to fondness, did you know? 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:34.040 So I think. 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:37.480 I think when we travel like that, we have to 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.400 take into consideration what tiredness does for us, you know. 0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:42.960 And I just. 0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.160 Ask yourself, am I too tired to process this? And 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:49.400 if I am, let me, let me make a decision 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:54.719 tomorrow that sort of thing. Would I go again? Absolutely do. 0:45:54.840 --> 0:46:00.359 I think it is a women's retreat, and maybe maybe 0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.560 I need to do some more pondering on that. But 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.920 it'll be flying. It won't be driving, because that's just 0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:09.880 way too way too tough through the mountains. But I'm 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:16.560 definitely going to do a leadership retreat, and hopefully every 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.840 year and so I mean as Son is actually a 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.880 guide goes up into the him eyes and he's actually 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.560 been voted in Nepal's Best Guide to Be. So it 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:32.080 was sort of luck that I landed there. But he's 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:35.160 he's he wants to work with me to take leaders 0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:37.080 over there. And I think that would be good because 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:42.440 I think be extraordinarily touch challenging. But to go up 0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.200 into the mounds, but not too high, like I needed 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:48.399 about two thousand meters or three thousand, so not where 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:52.000 you get altitude sickness, you know, not to that level. 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:57.279 And like maybe hike with not much, not much of 0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.760 a backpack, just a day day back. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.560 The way we did it, I mean we had we 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.560 had horses take our stuff, so we had a day pack. 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.960 Yeah, but I wouldn't I wouldn't have the hall. I 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.719 would just go two hours and then go back to 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.879 And what I want to do is take a group 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.200 hike two hours into the Himalayas, sit there, have lunch, 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:23.799 and then have leadership conversations and deep I'm talking deep vulnerability, 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:27.800 he really deep conversation, and then come back to that 0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:29.719 place and drive up to the next one and then 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.080 go another two hours. So you still go into different places, 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.680 but it's not it's not the hardship of trying to 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:39.600 camp and trying to do all that sort of stuff. 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:44.480 But it's still enough to challenge you, you know, and 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:50.759 still enough to and hiking two hours is enough to go. 0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:52.640 I did this. 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:55.880 I did it, you know, I did it. I made it. 0:47:56.680 --> 0:48:01.239 So it's not really like a trick. It's just enough 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.680 to go, fucking hell, I did this, and I suddenly 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:10.040 humalayas you know, and I confronted my whatever, you know, 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.800 my fears I have of talking about vulnerability. I confronted humility, 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.560 do you you know that sort of stuff. And so 0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.440 that's what that's what I want to do. And I 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:25.799 think that would be perfect for that, you know, the energy. Yeah, 0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.719 so no no writing stuff, no theory, is no power 0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.640 points now that ship, you know, just just just kind 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:40.560 of really deep, rich, vulnerable conversations. Yeah, yeah, that's my plan. 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:42.440 That's good mate. 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:46.759 Yeah, you've taken me right back there again. You've made 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.920 me want to go back again, so like. 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:57.239 And yeah, it travels, and the tricky thing is. 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:05.200 The wanting to return to places but also realizing that 0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:07.040 was once at that place that wasn't even on my 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.400 bucket list to go to Sema. And so when I 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:16.480 think about wanting another thing that impacts me as much 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:19.040 as that, it's like, well, you can't go to the 0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:21.960 same place because it'll I mean, that'll be beautiful again, 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.279 but it won't be the same way because it's expectation. 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:28.120 Sometimes the expectation, and I just like to land somewhere 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:32.160 and have no idea what's going to unfold, and you know, 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:33.960 finding those experiences. 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:35.080 I remember. 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.960 When I went to Vietnam the year before with my 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.359 one of my best mates, Courtney, and we were going 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.239 to go every couple of years to a different you know, 0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:48.800 just a short kind of we wit did it through Intrepid, 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:49.279 which are. 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.600 Great, by the way, they do great solo travel holidays. 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.600 And the one of the ones she picked out was 0:49:55.680 --> 0:50:00.399 Nepal and it was a women's retreat and they take 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.759 you to I can't remember it exactly entirely, but they 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:09.120 teach you about some of the women's practices over there 0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.440 and some of the stuff that they're trying to change 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:12.319 for women over there. 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:13.920 So there was a lot will be that'll be. 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.520 The community's homestay network, I think, because that's what the 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:19.200 that's what they focus on all that sort of stuff. 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:22.120 Yeah, yeah, I'll have to have it. 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:25.160 I'll have to look back through wherever she originally sent 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:27.719 me the details, because I was like, oh, that'd be 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.040 interesting because you're learning, so I like to learn something. 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.000 I remember my favorite well, it's hard to say favorite 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:36.040 now because I think India took the cake for me. 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.600 But prior to that, my favorite trip was Kakadu in 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:40.840 twenty thirteen. 0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:42.080 We'd Save the Children. 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:46.120 It was their first Australian track and we went to 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.920 places that you just couldn't You couldn't get the photographer 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.640 that was coming where this couldn't get. 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:51.759 Through with the gear. 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:58.360 It was just wow, magic and we and they taught 0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:01.400 us about the culture, so immersed in the culture, but 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:06.000 throughout just walking through there, we were also learning about 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:10.560 Aboriginal culture and the land and families and we had 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:15.200 a family day and the idea was their mission was 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:19.800 to get more of the Indigenous children that weren't making 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.360 it to school, to get them to school. And I 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:26.959 remember learning things like the reasons that the kids weren't 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:30.319 making it to school weren't what you would assume they were, 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:35.759 things like the family their washing machine had broken, and 0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:39.080 they were too ashamed to send their child in dirty clothes, 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:43.200 so they didn't send them. So it was things like that, 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:48.279 or you know, and just understand learning about culture and 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:52.800 learning about things that change your lens of the world. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.839 They were the most beautiful children we spent the day 0:51:56.880 --> 0:52:02.040 with I'm not deaf Boddy having a school yard of 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.520 kids to amuse all day. But that was one of 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.200 the best days ever. And I remember just going, these 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:12.040 are the most beautiful children ever. They're so polite and 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.520 they were so oh. I was just overwhelmed. 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.759 Wow, that would be fantastic. 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:20.880 Yeah, it really was. 0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:23.280 And when I first went on when we went to Vietnam, 0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:25.880 my idea at that point was I wanted to go 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:28.279 to Uluru because I wanted to seek that out again. 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.239 I was like, oh, I want another. 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:34.600 Experience where I see our land and I have a 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.279 really spiritual kind of connection with where I am and 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:43.480 I learn about culture. And then in walk to court 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:45.280 me and said, now let's go to Vietnam. 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.480 Where'd you go to? Where'd you go to? In Vietnam? 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:53.200 We did a cycling tour through the north of Vietnam. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:54.000 Wow. 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:56.120 Yeah, it was beautiful. 0:52:56.400 --> 0:53:03.680 And we started in Hanoi, and then we ended up 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:09.200 where's the that on the river? Like on the boat 0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:10.040 where the boats are? 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:16.640 What's that called? I can't remember. Everyone talks about it, 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:18.280 but I've completely escaped. 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:20.799 How Long Bay? 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:21.439 Yes? 0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:22.200 How Long Bay? 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:22.560 Yeah? 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.560 So and we finished there and it was great. 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:30.040 Like sometimes sometimes we're at homestays and sometimes we were 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.800 at a hotel and it was amazing. There was this 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.839 one time, right we're riding the bikes up this big hill. 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:41.160 There was only one really strenuous stretch and we're powering 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.319 up this hill and there's you know, the buffaloes. 0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:46.440 They're just beautiful. It's amazing. 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.600 And we get to this buffalo and our guide goes 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.800 me and Courtney heading, you know, like we're one and 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:55.279 two in the pack. We're like, let's fucking let's go. 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.160 And we get to this buffalo and he is, oh, 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:03.399 it's the two guys. Is it's a boy, he's him? 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:05.799 Is it the boys that are aggressive or the girls? 0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:10.360 I can't remember anyway, whatever, it's this one. Yeah, he 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:15.360 might he might attack. And we're kind of laughing. And 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.719 then we're not laughing and fucking looking at us and 0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:21.440 we're right on a cliff edge, like there's a cliff edge, 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:26.319 and there's there's this fucking buffalo, and then we've shit 0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:30.239 ourselves and he had to get in between us and 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:34.279 eat and he was kind of waving it along and 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.520 it's kind of trying to go around him, and it's 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:38.200 looking at. 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:43.520 Us and shit shitting, shitting bricks. I was like, I'm 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.000 really scared and I don't know what to do. This 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:51.000 is really scary. This is not fun anymore. Oh my god. 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:57.480 So there was that because the rest of him are 0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:58.040 so beautiful. 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.879 They walk along like they're very proud of They walk 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:03.759 along with their buffalo, feeding them, finding them grass, and 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:05.319 I'm like, oh. 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:09.160 How amazing. And he's like, yeah, this one's some. This 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.120 one's not going to be amazing. I'm like, where is 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:16.719 the fucking owner. He's like, I don't know, Jesus, he's somewhere, 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.360 but you're just gonna have to be careful. 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:22.640 Love it. 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:24.160 Yeah, the best. 0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:27.960 And also I remember the great thing about Intrepid is 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:32.759 they're known for their great tour guides. And we were 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.920 traveling through this little village and we stopped and this 0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.480 beautiful old lady. She was in her late eighties, I think, 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:44.400 so she's older than the expected age of Yeah, of 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.279 most Vietnamese people beautiful tiny. 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:50.120 You know, as they start growing down. So she's getting 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:51.080 shorter by the second. 0:55:51.120 --> 0:55:54.080 As we're speaking to her, I can't speak English, and 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.520 she's got completely black. She was walking back it's lunchtime, 0:55:57.840 --> 0:55:59.919 and he goes, she's been out in the field since 0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:06.040 five five am doing the crops, and she had pitch 0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.000 black teeth, pitch black, and so he stopped her and 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:13.399 asked her to explain why about the teeth, and they 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.800 were it was like a mark of beauty and respect 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.759 for the older women there. And she choose a particular 0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:21.959 leaf in order to stay in her teeth. 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:22.800 They were black. 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.120 Oh, well, like that were painted black. It was amazing, 0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.680 and she had this beautiful she walked up to my friend. 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:35.000 My friend has a my friend. No matter where she goes, 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:38.640 she has tends to have this connection with indigenous culture. 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:40.000 She spent a lot of time in. 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:45.120 Up in was it Cairns, I think. 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:53.680 Or broom broom with Aboriginal children and communities, and the 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:55.960 same thing happened there. But she walks, this woman walks 0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:59.000 straight through past all of us, straight up to Courtney, 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.640 grabs her by both hands and looks into her eyes 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:04.200 and she said something. She looked at him and he 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.880 had to translate, and she was just she was just so. 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:11.160 I don't know what she saw, but it was just 0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:12.239 stotted by her. 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.080 Yeah, And everyone was like, wow, what's going on there? 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:17.400 Wow? 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:22.439 Yeah, And it's funny because Courtney's courts like, she's such 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:28.160 a like she's she's loud, she's boisterous, she's funny. She's 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:30.920 just like the life of the party, the life of 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.240 the party. And then you get these things like that 0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:34.240 happened and everyone was. 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:36.920 Like, whoa, what's going on there? 0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:38.800 What do we miss? 0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:45.160 She's like, I'm fucking spiritual, I'm special. But yeah, it's 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:48.640 moments like that, like they're just it's so good. 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:54.000 That beautiful travel good for the soul. Oh, I agree, 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:57.600 you know what. Yeah, we've got to go to school. 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.360 We're gonna learn the you know, the three and all 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.560 that shit. But the end of the day, and we 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.120 have to do it because we've got to work and 0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.680 we've got to we will survive. But I think you 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:14.640 learn all your best education is through travel. Yeah, and 0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:22.000 you you grow, you're really it's a it's a different education. Yeah, 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.200 I love it. I don't want to stop. But now 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:28.440 I guess one day, my one day, my feet are 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.960 going to catch up to me. He Nana, leggs are 0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.680 going to catch me. But until they do, you know, 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.760 fucking I'm moving. 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:38.960 It's you've got a long time yet. 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:43.200 Oh shit, I hope, So I hope. So I keep 0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:45.440 thinking one how long I've got left to travel? And 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:48.280 you know, I'm hoping to get at least to get 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:51.200 another ten years in. But you know, you don't know. 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:55.880 I'm sixty two. You don't know what's you know, I'm 0:58:55.960 --> 0:58:58.400 noticing that every time I hit a decade, something else 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.640 bloody starts failing. You know, So you don't know, like 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.520 when you hit seventy, you know what's not working? Then 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.680 who knows? But I just think. I think for the 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:12.320 people that say, you know, when I get long service leave, 0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:16.200 when I retire, when I pay my house off, I 0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:20.960 just think, no, I don't don't because yeah, yeah, in 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:24.040 a I don't want to say this in a morbid way, 0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.120 but you know, people are dropping all over the place. 0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:29.560 I just don't don't get it. If you you want 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:31.240 to be somewhere, you want to go somewhere, you want 0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:34.280 to experience something God, say go and do it, you know, 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.320 just find a way to do it, because tomorrow may 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:40.080 never come. It just might not. 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:44.960 So get and do it, you know, and we become stories, 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.800 like we tell ourselves stories. I can be a shocker 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.720 for it, you know, like I have, I've thought so 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:52.400 long with that. 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.800 Not enough, I haven't haven't got enough, I've not enough yet. 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:00.680 I can't. I can't do it yet. I can't, you know, 1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:02.200 like we're not there yet. 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:06.320 That it's like, that's that's just just youve got to 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:10.200 recognize when stories are stories and when then when they're 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:11.640 not fucking real? 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:16.200 Yeah, and I reckon, yeah, no, God, no, that's all 1:00:16.200 --> 1:00:17.480 I was just going to ramble on about it. 1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.000 No, but it's true. And I think if we're going 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:23.160 to tell stories, wouldn't you rather tell a true story 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:26.920 about an adventure that you had instead of tell bullshit 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:28.960 story about why you can't do? 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:29.560 You know? 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:33.840 Where? We're bloody good at that, bloody good at telling ourselves. 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:37.840 I can't. I can't I count. But well, how many, 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:41.840 how many? How many heart giggles did I give you today? 1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:47.000 Thinking about this, like, it's so it's so good to 1:00:47.200 --> 1:00:49.360 relive real stories, isn't. 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:51.640 It except for the dog one. 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:55.120 No, I don't like that one. But you know what, 1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:58.280 it's still as much as I don't like it, it 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.640 still makes me. It's still an experience I probably needed 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:05.960 to have to build a better me, do you you know? 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.680 And I think I don't know the reason for it. 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.320 I think I need to, but I think you just 1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:15.760 well you know, no rain no rainbow. 1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:21.040 Hey, yeah, yeah. Pain teaches us, Pain teaches us who 1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:23.480 we what matters to us? 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:29.520 M yeah, well pain and pain uncovers your values, doesn't it? 1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:37.560 By christy bloody shootout. When you're pissed off, you're wondering 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:41.200 what your value? Think about what really fucking pisces you off? 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:48.200 And you'll spontigure out your values. Jesus, Ah, you're the best. 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:50.600 Tell all my listeners how they can get more caring 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:51.280 in their life. 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:56.240 Oh, thank you, you know the best. We have a 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.680 mutual lover fest love fest to finish off if you're 1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:00.400 the best as. 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:10.160 Always. Yeah, we haven't told everyone where to find you. 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.000 Oh yeah, that come on? I want more of Karen. 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:14.840 Where do we go? 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.400 Well, just I think go to my website Karen Vaughan 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:24.000 dot com and well the Cambodi you retreat. That's with 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.440 girls with Hammers dot com dot au. And I don't know. 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.120 I think the best thing is just oh, LinkedIn, just 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:36.240 Karen Vaughan. Yeah, and just you know, I've really even 1:02:36.320 --> 1:02:40.280 got really I've got really slack on doing newsletters. It's 1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:43.200 not slack. I just like hell, got no time, so 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:44.840 I don't do that. But if you want to connect 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.080 with me LinkedIn or just through my website Karen Vaughn 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.760 dot com, there we are nice and easy. 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:53.640 Thanks mate, Thanks for coming back on. 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:59.040 My pleasure anytime. Love chatting with you because we do 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:03.600 the nuts and bolts and I love it. Yes, I 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.280 cut you off, sea you next time. Thanks see everyone. 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:16.480 She said, it's now never. I got fighting in my blood. 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:28.440 Got it, got it, got it, got it,