1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Sound engineer. 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 2: They teach you that it kiss. 3 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 3: No, I'm all sal taught. I'm pretty smart. I just 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: sort of figured things out for myself. You'll hear yourself 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 3: in it that you know, you've done a lot of 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 3: stuff like this. 7 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Before, done a few, not too many. 8 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 3: There you go. You'll figure it's all. It's all learning process. 9 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: You're learning the same as us. 10 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah I did. 11 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did do a podcast for a few episodes. 12 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: And then oh you did your own one. 13 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't, but I didn't keep it going. 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Well now it's now. This is as Dad says, welcome 15 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: the first grade, strap ourselves in. 16 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the podcast for this week, A bit 17 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: of a different one today, this one today Australian designer 18 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: Daniel Patrick been living over in l A big brand 19 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 3: Daniel Patrick over there, coming back to Australia, you know, 20 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: growing growing it here as well, but loves his rugby league, 21 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: so he's a great fit for this podcast. Yes, thanks 22 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: for having me Rooster supporter. 23 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: I try to stay impartial, but yeah, I mean I 24 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: grew up following the Roosters, and then when I actually 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: played Jersey Flag, and then when I got cut from 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: the Roosters, I went to the Dragons, so then I 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: stayed with the Dragons. So bad blood. Yeah, I know 28 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: we're good now we're like, yeah. 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 3: Anyone in that Jersey flag that played first grade? 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: Now in the Roosters team. Who do we have in 31 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: the Dragons team? Yes, the Rooster's team we had, well, 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: justin Horror was in there. Yeah, and then Sean Kenny Dowe. 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah sk d. 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: Shandor sand he wasn't. Yeah. I remember him though a 35 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: Clovelly because I was playing at Clovelly and he was 36 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: a lot younger. 37 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Well there's a ragby 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: league link. A lot of people listened to this with 39 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: rugby league fans, and they will know your father, the 40 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: great Pat Jarvis. Yes, indeed, what what a what a 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: player he was, What a body, by the way, unbelievable. 42 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: I saw him not long ago. He's still like chiseled 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: out of rock. But what a gentleman, What a great guy. 44 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's a good guy. Growing up with him 45 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: teaches you a lot of things about hard work, and 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: you see, you know, you do it from observation, but 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: he's always kind of instills in you about you know, 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: hard work, exchange and all that kind of stuff and 49 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: helping people. 50 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of a lot of things. When 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: I think, I always think of Pat, I always think 52 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: about like that relentless self improvement. I remember. I remember 53 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: when Pat first coming to first grade, am I right 54 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: in saying he had had a stutter? You stuttered and 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: then went and got your help with it, and then 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, and just continually things I hear about Pat 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: all the time. It's just about self improvement. Of course. 58 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: Australia's greatest boxer, Jeff Fennick, your dad. He discovered Jeff 59 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: on the streets of Marrickville and took him with Johnny 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: Lewis's gym in Newtown and the rest is history. Yeah, 61 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: he's had a really big impact on this city. 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: Pat Jarvis, Yeah, I actually would go down there as 63 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: a kid and jump on the pads with Johnny Lewis. 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: And last week, my my cousin Brock he had was 65 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: last two weeks ago, but yeah, yeah, broke Jervis. Yeah, 66 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: so he had a fight against Keith Thurman and you know, 67 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: we went we went down to that and you know, 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: Johnny Lewis was there and Jeff Fennick was there, and 69 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: my dad came along and he kind of hadn't seen 70 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: them for a long time, so he got to connect 71 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: with them. And but yeah, Johnny Lewis has actually come 72 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: over to my store in LA and you know, yeah, you. 73 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Want to be careful. Johnny loves free stuff. I did 74 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: for Johnny one day. He was walking through Enmore in 75 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Newtown there and I saw him coming from a distance, 76 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: and I know what a tight ass he is, Johnny. 77 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: So I laid on the ground, like you know, and 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: sort of cover up like I was begging, and I 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: went money money, and he went, no, mate, no, no, 80 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. It's not good. No, no, 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not good for you. And I went, mister Lewis, 82 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Johnny Lewis, money money and he turned around. No mate, no, 83 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: he spotted me. I said, you fucking tight, asked Johnny 84 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: give it to the homeless Fate. 85 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: But even the NRL last year when it first went 86 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: to Vegas, you designed the track shoots for it as well. 87 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a co lab with them and that 88 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: was sold in stadium. 89 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Okay, how'd you enjoy? Like I suppose being 90 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: in America, you probably would have been disconnected from Ossie 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: culture for a while. How was it reconnecting with all 92 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: the Aussies back over in Vegas? 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: Well, it felt good, you know, it felt like it's 94 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: something that I grew up with, you know, with my 95 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: dad and then you know, you play lower grades and 96 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: you just always in it. And then even going over there, 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: you know, I have the subscription to the Fox League 98 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: and I would watch well NRL three sixty, you know, 99 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: not the matter, No, I would watch that as well. 100 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: You know, that would be kind of refreshing that when 101 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: it hits, because that would come on Thursday, So Thursday 102 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: morning I would watch that and it'd just be kind 103 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: of refreshing from listening to all the arguments of three 104 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: sixty all week. 105 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, they they can argue. 106 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of things you want to cover off, Dan, 107 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: like you know, your career were about to get into, 108 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, starting a brand. But also I'll be interested 109 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: talking about living in la of course recently coming out 110 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: of COVID and then the fires, so I have to 111 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: chat about that. But the brand, my god, like you know, 112 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: with Justin Bieber, Travis Kelcey, Jesure making, you're making some 113 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: serious ground. 114 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it definitely helps. Going over 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: there and doing it over there and launching it over 116 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: there has helped a lot. Making all our stuff in 117 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: LA and then you're just in the epicenter over everything's happening, 118 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: and that's kind of that's kind of the thing that 119 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: was successful for me going over there and getting out 120 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: of Australia and just kind of, yeah, just finding my 121 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: feet over there. I think that was a good move 122 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: for me. 123 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: So going back, like you just said you got cut 124 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: from Jersey Flag, when did when did fashion become like 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: the passion? Were you doing that while you were playing 126 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: footy in Jersey flagging things like that or did it 127 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: just click after that? 128 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: So I got two thousand and six, I was playing 129 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 2: Jersey Flag at the Dragons and then you know, prior 130 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 2: to that, I kind of I was always into fashion. 131 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: I would always be like, you know, into what I 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: was wearing and from a young age. And then I 133 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: kind of come to the end of six and then 134 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: I was like injured and kind of had enough of 135 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: the injuries and whatnot, and I was a little bit 136 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: disillusioned with playing footy and then I was kind of thinking, 137 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: what do I like doing in my life that I 138 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: could do forever and it fashion took Forefront then and 139 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 2: I kind of gave up. And Tony Butterfield was my 140 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: manager at the time and he was kind of brokering 141 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: a deal for me to go to France. So I 142 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: kind of went through the motions on that. It started 143 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,119 Speaker 2: doing the visa, but I'm like, yeah, I'm not really 144 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: my heart's not in it. I kind of want to 145 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: do this fashion thing. And I went straight out of 146 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: Jersey Flag into fashion school and glebe and then yeah, 147 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: just kept going from there. 148 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: Tony Butterfield, you just said you'll play a manager, was 149 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 3: Tony Butterfield. Is that the guy that you guys did 150 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: a prank on pretending to be a young. 151 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: Player, Yeah, an English player and we we had the 152 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: prank going for over twelve months, hoving backwards and forwards, 153 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: and this player in England was basically what we will 154 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: send the slant. Brian Carney was sending the emails and 155 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: we're doing spelling mistakes and then you know, but he's like, 156 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: I think I found your club and we're like, I said, oh, 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: there's been an incident over here. He goes, right, what's happened? 158 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I got into a fight, Okay, we should should be 159 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: able to meaning to that. Oh yeah, but the black 160 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: guy thought lost his right arm. He goes, right, how 161 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: did that happen? I was carrying a knife from a 162 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: pocket natal he ran in and cut it off. He goes, Jesus, 163 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: must have been some kind of knife. Anyway, we end up, 164 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: we ended up giving ourselves up. But terrific fella twenty management. 165 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: That was his business. Yes, still going, No, I don't 166 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: think so anyway. 167 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's going anymore. But yeah, no, 168 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: he was good. I actually never met him in person. 169 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: My dad lined it up and he liked him and 170 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: thought it would be a good fit for me, and. 171 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: So he was your manager. But you never dealt with 172 00:07:59,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: him person. 173 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think he was up in Newcastle. It would 174 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: just be on the phone, you know. And then I 175 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: just rang him up one day and said, look, I 176 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: don't want to keep going then footy. I just want 177 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: to go and do the fashion thing, you know. So 178 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: it was kind of early. I could have kept going, 179 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: went to France, tried to come back and whatnot, but 180 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: I was just like, I think this is what I 181 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: want to do, you know, And in hindsight, yeah, maybe 182 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: you look back and you go, Man, I missed the 183 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: opportunity to give it a shot and then because I 184 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: could have done fashion after that or concurrently. But you know, 185 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: you live by your choices. 186 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Dan, for what you do now takes 187 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: so much focus and so much energy. You know, talking 188 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: about energy and fearlessness, that is something which diminishes, It 189 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: diminishes as you get older. The fact that you jump 190 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: into it young, I think for you is crucial, you know. 191 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: And as far as Rugby Lead's concerned, you know, it's 192 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: so easy to bump from here to here to hear, 193 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: but you know, I think sometimes you got to work 194 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: out what are my chances of being the best at 195 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: yeah and starting your life? 196 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I'd always wanted to live in a Marria, 197 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: and then when fashion came around, I was like, yeah, 198 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: this is the opportunity to go over there. Originally I 199 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: was going to New York, you know, and even you know, 200 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: as a teenager, I'm like, I want to live in 201 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: New York. That's where I'm going. And then went to 202 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: New York and ended up in LA And so so 203 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: did you. 204 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: Did you start your brand here and then moved to 205 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: America or you moved to America and then the brand 206 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: started there. 207 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I did. I did a few things here 208 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: and then I went over there and basically launched it 209 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: over there. 210 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: And letting like, if there's listeners who are listening to this, 211 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: who you know a lot of people are always sitting 212 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: with their mate saying, I want to start we should 213 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: start a clothing ground, we should start a cafe, any business? 214 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: Would you do you think that America is the best 215 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: place to start any business given how big the market is. 216 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: Just like, is that well, you could either be, I guess, 217 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: a small fish in a big pond or a big 218 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: fish in a small pond. You just have to pick, 219 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, which hard do you want to take? You know, 220 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: because they're going to have pros and cons like being 221 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: in a small market, you know, you have to gain 222 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: more traction to get have a business. But if you 223 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: go over there and you get like a a one 224 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: percent stake in that market, you're you're pretty set. 225 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then what about like, you know, talking about 226 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: cultures of cities in America, you know, we're talking before 227 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: a bit San Francisco. San Francisco to me looks like 228 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: a pretty genuine town, whereas LA's it's a chance to 229 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: town in a lot of ways. You get people from 230 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: all over the world, different places, arriving trying to be 231 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: a movie, start trying to be stuff and talking to 232 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: people who try to do business there, will try to 233 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: get ahead there. They said, you almost get murdered by 234 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: flattery people. Doesn't matter what you say, people will say 235 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: to you, Wow, that is amazing. I mean I ordered 236 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: eggs on toast over there and the woman said that 237 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: is amazing, and I thought it myself, you should see 238 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: what else I can do. But do you do you 239 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: find that over there? Like the people, it's just hard 240 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: to really get e gauge exactly what people think. 241 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: I think there is definitely a facade of la and 242 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: it's there's a fakeness to it. But you definitely just 243 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: have to stay grounded and you just surround yourself with 244 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: the right people, which yeah, over the years you kind 245 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: of have to keep your circle really small, otherwise, you 246 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: know a lot of people go by the wayside and 247 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: go home packing. 248 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the rag trade. Working in fashion, what was 249 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: the first thing, like, what was your first idea? What 250 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: was the first product you produced? 251 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I produced this leather like trench coat thing, 252 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: and that was kind of there was a bit of 253 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: a dark and drapy side of things that I was 254 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: doing back when I first started. And at that point 255 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: we got our stuff into the Hunger Games because we 256 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: caught the attention of the costume designer. And the funny 257 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: thing was, I was watching a movie what is it 258 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, and I was like, 259 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: I really liked the way that the girl's done this costumes, 260 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, And then I looked there up and you know, 261 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: and then I was like, yeah, I'd like to work 262 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: with her. And then comes out she reaches out to me, Hey, 263 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: we love your stuff. We want we want you to 264 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: be we want you to make some stuff at the 265 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: Hunger Games. And I'm like, oh, sweet, you know, this 266 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: is exactly what I wanted. 267 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, So what did you design for that? Like what 268 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: costumes were in that. 269 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: We did some like like button up like Henley shirts 270 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: and some leather coats and stuff like that, and. 271 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: And what like when you're looking back in your career, now, 272 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: what what's the what was the turning point in it 273 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: where you go that was the moment that the brand 274 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: really took off. 275 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: There's kind of like a lot of those, and they're 276 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: kind of gradual over the years, you know, because even 277 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: to this point, we're still trying to get to the 278 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: next level, you know, and at some point you you're 279 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: always doing that, so when that thing comes, you don't 280 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: really sit and think about it. But you know, there 281 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 2: was a point where I had a friend of mine 282 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: who was buying my stuff, and you know, he paid 283 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: me a couple of grand, bought a couple grand worth 284 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: of clothes, just paying rent, and I felt to myself. 285 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: I was driving in LA and I was like, I'm 286 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 2: out of the nine to five grind. I have my business. 287 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: But that, like that seems like such an in like 288 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 2: an insignificant moment. But that was like when I had 289 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: a feeling like, okay, cool, we got a business here. 290 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: And then you know, we got in one store and 291 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: then they would sell out, and okay, cool, we got 292 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: a business here. And then you know, we're able to 293 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: pay rent, we're able to make stuff. And then you 294 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: get someone like Justin Bieber wears the stuff. That's awesome, 295 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: Okay cool, get him some more stuff, keeps wearing it, 296 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: more stuff. And then I had a guy working for 297 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: me at the time. He was heavy on the we chat, 298 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: which is big in China. So then he blew up 299 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: the Daniel Patrick brand in China, and then they started 300 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: making fakes of that on the back of the Justin 301 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 2: Bieber stuff, and then you know, you go through a 302 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: lot of stuff. Then we started posting his photos and 303 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: then the paparazzi owned the photos. So then the paparazzis 304 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: want to go and sue me for two hundred and 305 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: fifty grand, and I'm like, shit, I don't have two 306 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grand, like you know. So yeah, like 307 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: even celebrities, if you post a picture of yourself in 308 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: the photo, it's like, well, that's me in the photo. 309 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: But I'm like, well, you don't known the photo. So 310 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: then even they're suing Celiina Gomez and you know, just yeah, so. 311 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked you there. You said, making fakes in China. 312 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: What are fakes good for business? I know, short term, 313 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: like you know, it's like conventional thinking. I thought it 314 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: was funny. It's so money taking Eddie hand, but it's 315 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: still advertised. 316 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: It's a compliment, right, Yeah, Because I was making hats 317 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: with this guy in La and he went over to 318 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: he went over to China for like a tour to 319 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: make you know, to get hats and whatnot. And he's like, 320 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: we saw, you know, Daniel Patrick hats next to like 321 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: elv and Gucci and whatnot, and we didn't know you 322 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: were that big. And I said, I didn't know it 323 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: was that big. 324 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: Ah, what like, what does it feel like? Or what 325 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: did Justin Bieber? What did he wear? He wore? 326 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: There were a lot of different things, but there was 327 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: these particular track pants and these like gym shorts that 328 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: we still sell to this day. But yeah, those were 329 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: like he would wear every color of those and. 330 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: So that just happened by it, He just rolled into 331 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: a store and bought it. 332 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: And now that didn't happen like that, that was through well. 333 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: I was friends with his hairstyles at the time. Yeah, 334 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: and he's like, you want to get some stuff to Justin? 335 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, I can get it to him, and okay, cool. 336 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: So I put a bag together and he puts it 337 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: in his wardrobe and then he wears it, you know, 338 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: and then they don't always wear stuff that they're given, 339 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: so then he wears it. So then I worked out 340 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: how to get more stuff to him. 341 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: And yeah, so yeah, so like just give an idea 342 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: of the impact that that has. If, for instance, you 343 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: sell you know, let's say two thousand items in a week, 344 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber wears it the next week, how quickly, Like 345 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: what's the spike in sales. 346 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: I don't know the percentage of spike particularly, but that 347 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: definitely like blew us up in China, and you know, 348 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: that's a big market. It obviously helped in the States 349 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: as well, and also over here too, like people like 350 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: took a took notice at that point as well, because 351 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: Justin Bieber was kind of universally known, so he was 352 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: probably the biggest one that propelled the brand forward. And 353 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: then you know, from there, we got a deal with 354 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: Added Ass after that, so we worked with them for 355 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: six years. And yeah, my first project with them was 356 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: designing a shoe and a clothing line for James Harden 357 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty All Star Games. 358 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And at that time James Harden was 359 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: was he just coming off the back of like an 360 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: MVP year as well. 361 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: I don't know what year that was, but we met 362 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: with him in Salt Lake City, so they would we 363 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: all flew in from Oregon. That's where Added Asses and 364 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: we flew in from la and they were playing Utah Jazz. 365 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: So we met in the hotel room and he was 366 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: on the massage table and you know, get worked on 367 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 2: and then we'd have like a big like a big 368 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: screen up on there working on different ideas and whatnot. 369 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: Those those big stars like when you when you meet 370 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: with James Harden, you know, and even having someone like 371 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: Justin Bieble wearing your stuff because you know, in Australia, 372 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: for Australians listening, you look at these massive American celebrities 373 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 3: and you go like they almost seem fake because in 374 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: our lifetime it's like we'll never cross paths with these people, 375 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 3: like they're so big. Australia doesn't really have the same 376 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: kind of celebrities. 377 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: Hang on, guys, people pinch me all the time, see 378 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: if I'm real ghost a ghost? 379 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 3: But what was it like like when you walk in 380 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: and you're talking to James Harden as a you know, 381 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: as a boat growing up in Australia and going over 382 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: there for work. Is that for real? 383 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 2: It's a bit daunting to be honest, you know, because 384 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: like you said, they do have this extra large persona. 385 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, everyone like people 386 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 2: are just regular people when you come down to it. 387 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: But he was nice. We work together on Like we 388 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: sat there and they the people from Adidas were like, oh, 389 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: I've never really seen him that like excited and animated 390 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: in in the meeting. Usually just doesn't really doesn't really care. 391 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: You know. 392 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: This was back then. So so I was like, oh, 393 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: that's good news. And then all the stuff I was wearing, 394 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: He's like, we should do something like that, you know, 395 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: And because I was wearing bomber jacket and these you know, 396 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: sweatpants and whatnot, and he's like, I really liked it. 397 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, cool, we can do something 398 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: like that. 399 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: You know, a couple of things want to ask you there. Firstly, 400 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: how did adit ask? What made them reach out and 401 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: what was circumstances? 402 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: There was a person that was working there that was 403 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: kind of looking for us, and then we had a 404 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: connection through a stylist. And then yeah, so I think 405 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: at that time Nike had somebody that was that you know, 406 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: that was doing something similar like John Elliott, and they 407 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: were they kind of wanted a John Elliott for for 408 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 2: add of as. 409 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so when collaborations like that come up, like added 410 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 3: as what are some other ones? Because you did, I 411 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: believe is it? Is it recently you've done New York. 412 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: Red Bulls because with Adda Das too wastarting a contract 413 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: because Mols Major League Soccer, they make Adadas makes all 414 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: the kids for that right. 415 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: Yes, what an amazing resurgence. By the way, Nadadas, And 416 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, what did you learn from Atadas? 417 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: You know, to start out this mega brand that went 418 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: broke at one point. Then the Frenchman brought a Bernard 419 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: Tappi who owned Marseille. Then he built it up and 420 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: he was one that got it away from the Dassler family. 421 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know who takes control of it knowns 422 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: it now, but it's bigger now than it has ever been. 423 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: They have flooded the market where they're streetwear and their originals. 424 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: It's it's just it's incredible to watch the exponential growth. Yourself, 425 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: what have you learned from Adadas dealing with those guys? 426 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: I learned. I mean, I feel like I wish I 427 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: could do that, go back now and do it at 428 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: this age, you know, because you go in there, I 429 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 2: was still like I'm not saying I was young then, 430 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: but I feel like at this point in my life, 431 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: I'm more mature now to open my eyes and actually 432 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: I feel like I know more. But maybe that's because 433 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: I went through working with them. I understand how how 434 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: the big machine works. It's a big beast, and you 435 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: have to know you have to find your people within 436 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: there that can fight for you. And that's what we did. 437 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: We had people in there that were fighting for us. 438 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: And then when they're gone, you know, then you don't 439 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: really have anyone kind of you know, putting you forward 440 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 2: for projects and whatnot. So then at that point, that's 441 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 2: when we kind of. 442 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: Of course they had they had obviously Kanye, right, Yeah, 443 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: underneath that. 444 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: That went well. 445 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: That went It went well for a long time. The 446 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: Yes brand, because he's is he trying to still do 447 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: a clothing brand. 448 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still doing his Yeasy line. I think I 449 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: think they're doing still doing like two million dollars a 450 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: day in sales. I don't know, I saw something like that. 451 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: So his model now is they sell everything for twenty dollars. 452 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: Oh Kanye does. 453 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go on his website, everything's twenty dollars 454 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: and then resale it's I don't know about resale. Yeah, 455 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 2: but he's I don't know. What I see is he's 456 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: trying to kind of break down this whole thing of 457 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: luxury and you know, saying like, look, I can sell 458 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: this for twenty dollars. 459 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: You know a lot of brands do like the you know, 460 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: they'll they'll do a limited drop where there's they advertise 461 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: you know there's a there's a thousand, there's only a 462 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 3: thousand in stock. You know, get in early and it 463 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: sells out in like minutes. What do you think if 464 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: for someone who is going to start a clothing around, 465 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: what do you think is the best starts for models? 466 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: Like what's the best models where you just have a 467 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: range that's always accessible, or whether you do that limited 468 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 3: time people can get in. 469 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said of the limited 470 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: drop and selling out. But at the same time, if 471 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: you want to be selling stuff all the time, it's 472 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: like if you want to go to a uniclow and 473 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: grab a T shirt, you can do that. It's not like, 474 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: well they're all sold out this week, I can't go 475 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: there until the next drop. 476 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 477 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, you have to find a balance. 478 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: You have to I guess you have your Yeah, but 479 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: you also have to do what you think is right too. 480 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: I think, for I like to have products that people 481 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 2: can wear every day as well, like not just the 482 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: fashion stuff. So it's like, yeah, I got a T 483 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: shirt that I can sell all year round that everyone's 484 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: going to buy, and yeah, I kind of like, I 485 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: kind of like to have the basics that people need 486 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: for life. 487 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: Because those hype drops where you go, look, you know, 488 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 3: tomorrow at midnight it's dropping, and yeah, you know it's 489 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: only available in a lot of a thousand that it's 490 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: It's a great marketing tool, right because it's word of mouth. 491 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: Everyone's like, you've got to get in and get this 492 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: because there's not many left. 493 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: It creates the urgency, you know, and then if you 494 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: get it, no one else has it, then you know 495 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: that's kind of yeah, it must be scarcity. 496 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: It must be tough to a certain extent, because fashion 497 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: these days has become across cultures and occupation, which I'll 498 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: get a second, it's been quite homogenized. Back in the day, 499 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: if you wanted to get you know, if you wanted 500 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: you working, walked into a surf store, it was surfware 501 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: you went to skate with. But now it's almost like 502 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: it's almost melted into each other. 503 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, luxuries doing street where you know they do skate, 504 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: they do athletic. You know, it's all which I kind 505 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: of like, you know, I think, but that's kind of 506 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: where the world is going. You see you go down 507 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: to Bondi or Paddington, you know everyone's wearing athleisire. Yeah, 508 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: that's kind of you don't see as many suits and. 509 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Predicting, predicting where fashion is going, you know, like you know, 510 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: once we're talking about surfware. You know it was long 511 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: board shorts and all sudden for shorts with short board 512 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: shorts and you know we've got bagging. Sorry I shouldn't 513 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: know better, Yeah you don't. And Prime Minister, honestly listen, 514 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you just can we redo the budget? 515 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: Elbow please leave me alone. 516 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: Give us more for the stadiums. 517 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right, you got it. I forgot. 518 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 3: I was going to say that predicting where fashion is 519 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: going to. 520 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: Predictam where it's going to go. Yeah, you see skinny 521 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: jeans and all of a sudden loose fitting jeans. Yeah, 522 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: what do you what do you do? How do you 523 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: predict where it's going to or is it you. 524 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: Just have to do it off your own feeling. But 525 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: to that point, fashion is cyclical, so it comes around, 526 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: you know, to the long board short. That's where my 527 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 2: head's at now, you know, because I remember I was 528 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: buying a lot of early two thousands. I was buying 529 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: a lot of Abercrombie and fits from the States, and 530 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: they're longer shorts. And then now I'm coming back around 531 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: to that stuff, and. 532 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: We see a lot of boats wearing the kne knocker 533 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 3: plants at the moment, there's a. 534 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: Lot of even when you go to Cottonon and all 535 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 2: the more mass stuff they're they're the longer shorts is 536 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: back and what was cool. 537 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: When you were young? 538 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to be able to a funeral once this 539 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: perfect sampet cyclical and we're all standing and all of 540 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: a sudden, this's old like walked in and like we 541 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: couldn't take our eyes off him. He had this what 542 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: this the most darling brown pinstripe suit. I remember looking 543 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: at you, my god, you know. I went up to 544 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: him as they putting the coffin in the hearse and 545 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: I went up and just tapped him and I said, man, 546 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: you suit, where'd you get it from? Me, so I 547 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: can't remember I bought it in the fifties. Yeah. 548 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 3: Mate, Well look you talk about things going around Brad Parker, 549 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: like they they I was at a wedding recently and 550 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: they said, you know a lot of the time they said, fashion, 551 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 3: a black suit is only for a funeral. 552 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 2: Right. 553 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: You don't wear an all black suit unless you're John 554 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: Wick and you're patrolling. 555 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: The streets or Wi dogs. 556 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're killing multiple people. Yeah, you don't wear it 557 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 3: to anything else at a funeral. Brad Parker, he decided 558 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to go on my own and wore all 559 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 3: black at the wedding and proceeded to get chat on 560 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: by everyone at the wedding. 561 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: Everyone fashion and faux past. 562 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: Seriously, Parks isn't known for it. Going back to some 563 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: of the people that you've met and dealt with in America, 564 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: because I remember I listened to the New Heights podcast 565 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: Travis Kelce Jason Kelce and Travis gave you a massive 566 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: shout out on it for you gifting him Valure tracksuits 567 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: for a lot of his offensive line. 568 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, so he bought those for his teammates. 569 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like they do. 570 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: A gift exchange is what they call it. And he 571 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: had done something smaller, like a few years back when 572 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: I had my New York store, he did a thing 573 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 2: where we made these Valua tracksuits and so anyway, I 574 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: texted him. I was like, hey, do you want to 575 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: do these? I want to do those like sweatsuits again 576 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 2: that you kind of did. He wanted to do it 577 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: kind of exactly how we did it, you know a 578 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: few years before. But this was like he wanted to 579 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 2: order thirty eight, you know. So I asked him about 580 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: he said yeah, cool, and then I didn't hear back 581 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: from him. So I was like, I'll just follow up 582 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 2: one more time. It was ten days before Christmas. I said, hey, 583 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: you want to do it. He's like, yeah, let's do it. 584 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 2: I said how many you want to do? It's like 585 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: thirty eight, Like is that? Is that all right? And 586 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's fine. I sent him the invoice. 587 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 2: He paid really fast, and then you know, then like 588 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm on the clock. Then I'm like he wanted red 589 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: the Lure track suits, and I go to the place 590 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 2: to get the fabric and they're out of red, and 591 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, so. 592 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: You got to stuff from scratch your Yeah, it was 593 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: cut so and you know, yeah, yeah, like people working like, 594 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: you know, really. 595 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: Late on right up until Christmas. Yeah, it was. And 596 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: then we had to get it out on a certain date. 597 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: So it shipped to Kansas City and arrived there so 598 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: you know, you didn't miss like the window, and I 599 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: was like, this is this is tight? You know, so 600 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: I was. I got them all the day we had 601 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: to ship it. I picked them up really early in 602 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: the morning. I went to my store and I actually 603 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: folded and bagged and tagged them all myself, and you know, 604 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 2: it took me like most of the day to do that, 605 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: and then we got it out just on time. 606 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's the tracksuits I have. 607 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: There's one guy, Donovan Smith. He he kind of he 608 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: rocks it. He came in the store wearing it. 609 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 610 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: What's Travis like, because you've met Travis a few times, 611 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: what's he like as a bloke? 612 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a real nice guy. I remember we were 613 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: in we were at the Highlight Room in Hollywood and 614 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: it was the was the night it was the Player's 615 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Tribune like they do this thing. Anyway, I've seen him 616 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I'm gonna put a shot 617 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: on him. So I put a shoulder into him. 618 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: You know who it was. 619 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: But he's like, ahh yeah right because he's was he 620 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: with Taylor Swift when not at that point but then 621 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: got him together. 622 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was open one of the track suits would 623 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: end up on Taylor because that would have gone, yeah, that. 624 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: Would have been did you send an extra one? 625 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: I think they ordered he ordered some smaller sizes, so 626 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: I was like, maybe one of these is for Taylor. 627 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, ask any questions. 628 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because they seemed like very two different, very 629 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 3: different brothers, like Jason and Travis, like you and Joey, 630 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: but like they seem completely polar opposite. Jason seems like 631 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: he is very he to put it in Australian terms, 632 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: he seems kind. 633 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: Of more Bogan. 634 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd wear thongs and a single it just with 635 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: kne knocker boardies down at the beach. 636 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: I saw him at the Olympics. He was he was 637 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: going to see the American female sevens. He must have 638 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: he don't know if his partner was involved in it. Anyway. 639 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: I saw him coming from a distance. I was like, oh, geez, 640 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: look at this big slob, and actually got as you're closer, 641 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: he realized it was Jason Kelsey. 642 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but when when they shouted you out on the 643 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: podcast talk about like sail rises because they have a 644 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: lot of people listening to that New Heights podcast. Did 645 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 3: that go crazy as well? 646 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: That did go crazy? And the morning that we woke up, 647 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: we had a lot of like messages from press trying 648 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: to get like, you know, your two cents and have 649 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: a quote. Yeah, yeah, daily mail and whatnot. So oh, 650 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: this is cool because I didn't want to say anything 651 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: like put it out in the press myself because I 652 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: just felt like it wasn't correct. You know, he's buying 653 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: gifts for it, you know, if he wants to say something, 654 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, he said it, and I was like, 655 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: this is awesome. Yeah, it was amazing free press for us, 656 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of what we've built our 657 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: brand on, is that organic kind of thing. We don't 658 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: really pay to do those things, and I think they're 659 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: more meaningful. 660 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. 661 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have do you like having a clothing brand? 662 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: Because my mate used to run a pub in Melbourne 663 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: when we were down there, plant and out to Robbie 664 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: kerns if Kensy's listening to Kurn Dog, a former Melbourne 665 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 3: Storm great but he he said, the worst thing he 666 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: ever had, the worst part about having a pub was 667 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: you go through and I was guilty for it, ring 668 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: him for ring us to get us past the line 669 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: straight in free entry, and the boys would always hit 670 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 3: him up drink cards for free drinks. I would imagine 671 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: having a clothing brand the amount of whether it be 672 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 3: Childhood Mates or like, so many people would hit you 673 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: up for free stuff. 674 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that level of expectation that they know 675 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: people want to get free stuff. But I try to 676 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: not do that because I feel like people don't appreciate 677 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: it as much. And once you yeah, I mean there's 678 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: times when it makes a lot of sense business wise 679 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: that this person's gonna wear it, and even then wearing 680 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: it is very helpful in the sense that usually they're 681 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: being paid to wear stuff. They're wearing your stuff and 682 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: shouting it out or even just being seen in it. Yeah. 683 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: So I don't like to always just give it away 684 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: because then it just becomes like an endless thing. But yeah, 685 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: you have to pick and choose, you know, the right. 686 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: Do you shift much like in your own mind, do 687 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: you think, okay, this is where I want to take it. 688 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden something happens and you will 689 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: react and sort of. 690 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: Shift course in terms of like designs. 691 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, designs, And I think, well. 692 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: That's what I like about being in LA was I 693 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: could come up with an idea basically make it. I 694 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: could make ten of them and I put it in 695 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: my store and it could be in there within a 696 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: week or two, and then you test it out, then 697 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: you lean into it. That's what I like about that. 698 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: So if you're making stuff overseas, you're you're on a timeline, 699 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: you have minimums of like you know, you've got to 700 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: make two hundred of them and then you've got to 701 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: sell it to stores and then yeah, so that that 702 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: becomes like puts you a year or so behind, whereas like, 703 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: I'm just going to make something and release it. That's 704 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: what was successful in the beginning. It was like almost 705 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: like instead of putting out an album, you're putting out singles. 706 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: It's like okay, and then people always coming back, well, 707 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, get the next single, you know. 708 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Because that's that's really interesting. We go back to audit 709 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: asks again, watching watching Nike and watching add adaks, whether 710 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: it be their marketing or you know who's wearing the 711 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: clothes that don't know. But Nike has went from being 712 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: the fashion of the rebel, the sort of the outlier 713 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: that came in too, now being you know, Dad's shoes 714 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: were added. Ass have had the ability to be nimble 715 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: and agile and just move in different directions. You know, 716 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: that must be that must be hard. 717 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: To do for a big company. It's a lot harder. Yeah, 718 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: I think I always look at it this way. A 719 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: big company moves really slow, but they have the money 720 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: to do what they want. A small company, you can 721 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: be nimble, but you don't always have the money to 722 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: do you know, what the big companies can do, and. 723 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: You can't afford that many mistakes. 724 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so there's there's pros and cons of each. 725 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, I like the fact that you can be 726 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: nimble and you can be a little bit faster. 727 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: Yep. 728 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: Because yeah, when you're working in the big corporate machine, 729 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: it has to go through all these different terminals in there. 730 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: And have you had people, you know, as you start 731 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: to get to success, have you had you know, other brands, 732 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: or have you had people come in and say, you know, 733 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: we want to go into business with you. I want 734 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: a partner. 735 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 2: Apart from collaborations, I think I haven't really had it 736 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: as much, but I am always on the lookout for 737 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: the right partner that you know, could take things further. 738 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: So we haven't really come across that yet, the right partner, 739 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: but yeah, we're on the lookout for that at all 740 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: times to see if someone can join us that can 741 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, not only just if it's money, but also 742 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: can add something beyond the money. It's like, okay, cool, 743 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: they're good at this, I'm good at this mine we 744 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: can you. 745 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 3: Know now that you're back in Australia, like because obviously 746 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 3: in America you're you've dealt with a lot of big 747 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: athletes like we just said, Travis Kelt, James hard and 748 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler. A lot of these ones who are they 749 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: love their fashion? In the Australian Rugby League space, are 750 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: there any athletes in there that you look at and 751 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: you go, they've got good fashion? Like you could work with. 752 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: I mean Nathan Cleary, you know he's got good fashion. 753 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of those Penroth boys look smart, yeah, smart. 754 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: Handsome, cool Yeah. Yeah, Nathan Cleary does have good he's 755 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: got good fashion. 756 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got good fashion. Kailyn Ponga is good. Reecee Walsh. 757 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: You know these guys are kind of yeah, yeah, you 758 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: know guys that come to mind. 759 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: Angus cried, Yeah, yeah, Gus, he's got some. He's got 760 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 3: some good fashion over both. 761 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: The ones who haven't. Matt Croker, Yeah yeah, Lucas. 762 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 3: Tyrone, Wishark, Harry Grant awful. People have just got no 763 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 3: idea in fashion. No they should, They should never pick 764 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 3: shot for themselves. 765 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: Read Maron, Come on, guys, make a decision. 766 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 3: What do you reckon about that? Because Dad and like 767 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: Dad will get embarrassed me saying this, but he does 768 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 3: consider himself a fashion Eastuff. Yeah, yeah, under you do, Undercup. 769 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 3: You probably didn't ten years ago, but the last I 770 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 3: would say five years, you've turned into a bit of 771 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 3: a fashion. 772 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: You think so fashion plate one hundred percent? You do? 773 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: You He goes shopping, He goes to me and Jack's 774 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 3: wardrobe all the time looking for stuff you can take. 775 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: Yes, stuff out of the wardrobe. 776 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 2: How do you know you're not reading Gordon's closet for 777 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 2: scotch and I do. 778 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: Peter Mcgwordo's scotch and soda have been going there and 779 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: that's where I got the bug because you're walking. I 780 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't scotch and soda, right, yeah, and just open my 781 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: eyes because there's stuff that I would never warn ye 782 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: never taken off. And you're going and you can try 783 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: him on. You go, holy shit, I'm a new guy. 784 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah twenty five again? 785 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 3: What are your radio? 786 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: Like? 787 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 3: What he's wearing? 788 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: Now, what I'm wearing. I'm wearing track soup pants. Mate, 789 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: But you've got a Colin shirt? And what would like 790 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: if you're wearing brand and Smith's hat? Like I'm a 791 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: real mishmash of ideas. 792 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 2: You are, but I like it though. You know, you've 793 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 2: got your own eclectic style and it suits you and 794 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: you know you're out by the beach and yeah, no, 795 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: it's good. 796 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: I look forward to collaborating. 797 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. 798 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's move into just a brand in general. 799 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: So going away a little bit of your career, i'd 800 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 3: ask you for people that are starting, you know, their 801 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 3: own brand, of the lessons that you've learned, what's what's 802 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 3: the biggest lesson for starting a brand. 803 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: It's a hundred times harder than you think it's going 804 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: to be, you know, because you see, you see all 805 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 2: the glitz and the glamour and the drops and sell 806 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: out and all this for people, and it looks a 807 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 2: lot easier than it is, so you really have to 808 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 2: be passionate about it. It's like anything. It's like playing 809 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: golf looks easy until you swing a club. It's like, 810 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: you know, real estate looks easy, but you have to 811 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: grind away at that seven days a week and to 812 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: get you know, I was going to sell a twenty 813 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 2: million dollar house and get a four percent commission. So 814 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: I always say that it's like anything you do is 815 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: going to be hard. You should really have a passion 816 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 2: for it before you go into it because it's going 817 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: to be hard, and that's when you're going to lean on, 818 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 2: you know, that passion for it that you to keep 819 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: going and wake up in the morning. So yeah, that's 820 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 2: one thing that I would say, Just make sure it's 821 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: something that aligns with what you want to do in life. 822 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: And many sleepless nights a lot, yeah for me and 823 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: my partner. 824 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, times you must you know, like what 825 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: do they say about pubs and bars, They never failed, 826 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: you just run out of money. There must be times, 827 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: you know, in the trade where you're on the breadline. 828 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it is. And that's just that's where you 829 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 2: have to be really in it, you know, and be 830 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: passionate about it, because it's like I could have given up, 831 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 2: you know, ten years ago, I could have given up 832 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,479 Speaker 2: five years ago, but you just keep going. 833 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 3: So what about like the culture of when you employee 834 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 3: people like workers within a store or workers you know, 835 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 3: behind the scenes. What do you look for with employing people? 836 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 2: Well, I like to have somebody that's not going to 837 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 2: bring a lot of drama and you know, and is 838 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 2: has some attention to detail, and then they can actually 839 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: come up with ideas for themselves and rather than it's 840 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 2: not like I want them to present me with a 841 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 2: hundred ideas of like, hey, this is what you're doing wrong, 842 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 2: you should do this. It's like, nah, like handle that 843 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: problem for me, or come up with a solution before 844 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: you come and ask me, Like, present me with a solution. 845 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 2: Don't present me with a problem. 846 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's everything I'm not So if I was sitting 847 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: in the job interview at this point on stand up, Walker, 848 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: turn Around, walk Out. 849 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 3: Do you find you like in a creative space do 850 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 3: you like having a hundred different perspective Like do you like. 851 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: No, I like just avingmone do you like it? 852 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 3: But do you like having I suppose people from all 853 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: different personalities. There are some businesses that like people who 854 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: are very much like them and they get along with that. 855 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: You might necessarily employ someone that you don't get along with. Yeah, like, yes, man, 856 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 3: a lot of people like that. But do you love 857 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 3: having people who you might necessarily not agree with or 858 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 3: be like but they're just they think so differently. 859 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: But there's a question here you're getting around. 860 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 2: But I think I think mostly my wife and I 861 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: are basically we don't. We see I I and most things, 862 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 2: but we'll have that kind of friction and then yeah, 863 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: sometimes I do always listen to her, maybe not straight away, 864 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: but she tends to be right a lot of the time. 865 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: So you listen to your wife. 866 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is as wrong mine is. Yeah, what's a 867 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: get living in LA living in the States? Yeah, first 868 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: of like gent let's we'll talk generally. You know, someone 869 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: said to me, what's it like living in Sydney? So 870 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: it's fantastic, laid back culture, beaches and whatnot? 871 00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: La? 872 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: What do you love for a bit? LA? 873 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 2: I just like, how well, I don't know. I think 874 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: the chaos of it is one of the things that 875 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 2: I think is brings out the best in people. Everyone 876 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: goes there to make it, so you have a lot 877 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 2: of people that are are there to make it. So 878 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 2: it becomes really competitive, becomes a little bit cutthroat. But yeah, 879 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 2: I think in Australia everything's kind of safe, everything's comfortable, 880 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: everything's laid back, and la is laid back, but it's 881 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 2: laid back chaos, yeah, which I think I don't think 882 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 2: it was good to go into that. And yeah, rather 883 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 2: than step into like stay in this and if you 884 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 2: know what I mean, what do. 885 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: You find when you when you get off the plane 886 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: and you come back to Australia for the first time 887 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: for quite a while, what's the one thing that really 888 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: strikes you? 889 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 2: It's slow? 890 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: Slow? 891 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, everyone drives slow. It's a little 892 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,759 Speaker 2: bit like the pace is a lot slower. But even 893 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 2: though Sydney is considered like you know, it's bustling, yes, yes, 894 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 2: but yeah, I think that you do notice that it's 895 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: kind of like it's kind of like Neo in the Matrix, 896 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 2: where it's like everything's just like moving at a slower pace. 897 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 2: And yeah, so yeah, right, but it's kind of nice too. 898 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 3: In that sense, you know, Yeah, it's like that, it's 899 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 3: that beach identity, right, Yeah, everyone moves cruisy. 900 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: So it was very very strange in Australia had different 901 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: states dealt with COVID at the time, and I'm not 902 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: going to CA and you know people love to get 903 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff like but you know 904 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: to the point that you know, we had certain it 905 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,399 Speaker 1: was really funny. I would say, kilometer down the road, 906 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: we couldn't go past the blocking bridges off and yeah, 907 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: far worse than Victoria. Some of the laws there were 908 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: totally Drayconian. What a bit of La Living in La 909 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: during COVID, How was that? 910 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: It was still like for us that was like it 911 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 2: was bad, you know, it wasn't It wasn't great. But 912 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 2: then if you look at in comparison to other places, 913 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: like you said, we had far more freedom, you know, 914 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 2: like I could hop on a plane and go to 915 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 2: another state. Still I could drive, Yeah, I could drive 916 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 2: wherever I wanted to, like, and then everywhere had different rules. 917 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: So Beverly Hills has their own is their own city, 918 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: so they have their own health rules. So in La 919 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: County they had a rule on the vaccinations that you 920 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 2: can go to this restaurant. Basically in some places, crossing 921 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 2: the street you're in Beverly Hills, I could go to 922 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 2: a restaurant over there, over the other side of the street, 923 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 2: I can't go. Wow, you know, if you're vaccinated or not. 924 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, like that, that was kind of the 925 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 2: rules and whatnot. 926 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: So and you guys lived in downtown, so people Downtown 927 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: was always sort of a bit of a rough and 928 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: ready area. It was on the way to become gentrified. Yeah, 929 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: COVID put an end to that. It's back to putting 930 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:52,760 Speaker 1: Philly sketchy. 931 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a bit of that. I think. I 932 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 2: hope that it comes back, because I mean, even if 933 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: you see across from the Crypto, it those buildings that 934 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: are all graffited like that, you know. 935 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. 936 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,959 Speaker 3: Go back to you just spoke about the vaccinations, because 937 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 3: it was one of my mates was a big anti vaxa, 938 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 3: to the point where they nearly well Nelson a solo moment, 939 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 3: They nearly didn't Nelson play really yeah, yeah, I remember when. 940 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: I was scared of noodles. 941 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 3: No, well, in hindsight, in hindsight, he was actually right 942 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of health problems with it. I 943 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 3: wish I never had it now. Yeah, thanks, you said 944 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 3: the same thing the other day, you did, mate, I 945 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 3: did not. Well, there's a lot of health problems that 946 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 3: have come out from it, So just what's my health problem? 947 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 3: Look at mate, you've got tin into your feet. 948 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's okay apart from that. 949 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 3: But because America's going younger, you're anti agent and you've 950 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 3: lost your hair as well, which is true. 951 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: It's still there, baby, Just. 952 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 3: Let it go. Because America's known for its conspiracy theories. 953 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 3: How hectic was that time with the whole vaccine is 954 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 3: because that's kind of where the conspiracy started, right. 955 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean living in America at that time was 956 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 2: like you didn't know what was right and what was wrong. 957 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 2: You just had to kind of go with your gut 958 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 2: on what you felt was right. And then, in hindsight's 959 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty obviously not a pun, no pun intended on that, 960 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: you look back and then we go, Okay, who was right? 961 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 2: Who was wrong? But yeah, it doesn't really matter at 962 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 2: this point, does it. 963 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 3: No, you ever been to Area fifty one? 964 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 2: Not recently? 965 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 3: Have you tried? I've got I've got a burning desire 966 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 3: to go every time I go to Vegas, I want 967 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 3: to get in a car and just try, yeah, just 968 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 3: see what it's like. 969 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 970 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: Oftentimes, like I go for a walk, I'll walk for 971 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: hours and I thank god, I hope I don't fall off, Yeah, 972 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,879 Speaker 1: the face of the earth, because as you know, that's 973 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: flat flatter, Ye just find in La the fires. What 974 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: was that time? 975 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: Like? Yeah, that was that was interesting too because we 976 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 2: were out of town at the time, and then to 977 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 2: see it happen and then okay, cool, there's one near 978 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 2: where we live, Okay, and then you're watching it develop 979 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,839 Speaker 2: and then this, and then then we got to go 980 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 2: back home and we're like, oh, well, what's it going 981 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 2: to be? Like, what's the air is going to be terrible? 982 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 2: And I think it was really bad in certain areas, 983 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 2: like an obliterated Pacific Palisades, which is like it's kind 984 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 2: of like I guess the equivalent of like worlthwise, like 985 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 2: a Bellvue hill or something, but the size of Manhattan 986 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 2: I think it was. Yeah. So I still haven't been 987 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 2: out that way, but there that was crazy. And then 988 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 2: for us, we're just like a lot of people got 989 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 2: displaced from their homes at this time, we were kind 990 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 2: of wanting to spend more time in Australia at the time, 991 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 2: so we kind of we kind of gave up our 992 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 2: place for because we were living in an apartment. So 993 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,359 Speaker 2: we're like a lot of people going to need place 994 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 2: right now. So you know, yeah, like we're going to 995 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 2: move later this year to do some stuff in Australia, 996 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 2: so why don't we go now and then someone can 997 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 2: take the place? 998 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: And the culture in LA in situations like this, Australians 999 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: by nature is socialists. So you know, when we see 1000 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: the floods and things that happened, people sort of dig in, 1001 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: use it as an opportunity to come together as a 1002 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: community and help out. We saw to an extent in 1003 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: New York City after nine to eleven the city really 1004 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: come together. There's unity. Is LA that type of city I'd. 1005 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 2: Like to think it is. You know, we definitely got 1006 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 2: involved in a few things on that, but yeah, I 1007 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 2: think I think it went a lot like it needs 1008 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 2: sometimes a disaster that kind of pulls you together. Of course, 1009 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 2: as much as you don't want to have a disaster 1010 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 2: to be the thing that pulls you together, but yeah, 1011 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 2: like like you said, nine to eleven is a perfect example. 1012 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 2: You know, people came together at that point rather than 1013 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 2: being against each other. 1014 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: Said the last two weeks everyone was nice in restaurants 1015 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: and I would like to take your seat. Two weeks 1016 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: later was back to normal again. Now in New York, Yeah, they. 1017 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 3: Reckon because there were so many people looting houses right 1018 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 3: while everyone was fleeing. 1019 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there were people doing that, But. 1020 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 3: I think there's always going to be the small sort 1021 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 3: of crew of people. 1022 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 1: It's always red bag. 1023 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 2: There is. 1024 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: There's some questionable dudes. 1025 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is Clinton Hill is up the road. 1026 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 2: But I think also when you saw that, you saw 1027 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 2: like communities against that too. They saw people starting fires. 1028 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 2: You know, they were doing something about it rather than 1029 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 2: just being like, you know, just not even paying attention 1030 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 2: to it. 1031 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, times a loan survivor don't explain it. Yeah, 1032 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,360 Speaker 3: we've always finished the little game, so it's called loan survivor. 1033 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 3: When when we do it with footy players, it can 1034 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,799 Speaker 3: be the best player you've played against and we go 1035 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 3: through one on one and you pick your favorite of 1036 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 3: the two and you end up it's like, would you 1037 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 3: rather you end up at the end with one for you? Matthew, 1038 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,839 Speaker 3: what is the category it. 1039 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: Is fashion brains. Just trust me, I'm not fashion fishing. 1040 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: And so I've picked some ones out there. 1041 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 4: You'll go, oh god, the sketches, the one which one Crocs, 1042 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 4: Crocs are coming back, crocsaills coming back. 1043 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 2: I thought they were back. 1044 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 3: They were They actually are bad Crocs or sketches stuff. 1045 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,680 Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I mean, I don't worry either. 1046 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 2: But Sketches has football boots. Now you know they signed 1047 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 2: Harry Keane Is there is their faces sketches football and 1048 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: then the designer from Nike is designing the boots. So 1049 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,399 Speaker 2: it's an actually really good boot. 1050 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,320 Speaker 1: Wow. 1051 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 2: That is you can buy them in athletes's foot I think. 1052 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: In Australia, what do I say about emogonalization, It's all happened. 1053 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,320 Speaker 1: That is bizarre. 1054 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 3: They work in cycles. 1055 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: Here's two brands that really sit side by side. Sketches 1056 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: or Gucci mhm, Sketches, Sketches or Chanell uh Chanell Chanell 1057 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: or Burbery Burbery Birbury or Amani Birbury Birbury or a 1058 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: brand Zarabury. I like again, and they've got to get 1059 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: some nice thinking. 1060 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 3: Some weird ones keep going. 1061 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: Birbery or Levi's Levis. There we go one for Canadians Levi's. 1062 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 2: San Francisco's brands. Yeah, they like they like to make 1063 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 2: a good tuxedo for the Canadians. 1064 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: Canadian tariffs on those those taxes, now they should be 1065 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: son of a bitch camel Okay, Levis Levi's or Nike 1066 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:53,279 Speaker 1: uh Levi's, Levi's or Puma Levi's, Levi's or Lacoste Levi's, 1067 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: Damn French Levi's or Louis Vaton Louis Baton, Louis Vaton, 1068 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,280 Speaker 1: or Ralph Lauren, Ralph Lauren, Ralph Lauren or it's final 1069 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: one out of that. 1070 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 2: Ralph Lauren. 1071 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 3: Okay, is that is that your favorite brand? He might 1072 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 3: not have put one in there. 1073 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 2: That is the funny thing, is I like I like 1074 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 2: Ralph Lauren and I like Rick Owens. Yeah, and they're 1075 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 2: very polar opposite. But yeah, I find those are kind 1076 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 2: of my two. 1077 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 3: So we named one of your favorites there. Yeah, look, 1078 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 3: maybe you do know a thing about fashion just being 1079 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 3: self defrecated. 1080 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:29,919 Speaker 1: Of course. 1081 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 3: I thanks Dan, I appreciate you coming over, appreciate bloody Well. 1082 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure everyone will see you now that you're based 1083 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 3: out of Sydney. I'm sure you'll be doing a lot 1084 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,479 Speaker 3: with the Rugby League. 1085 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,799 Speaker 1: And by the way, where are the stores in La 1086 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: New York? 1087 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 2: In Sydney, So we're not in New York anymore, but 1088 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,440 Speaker 2: we have Beverly Center and Los Angeles, we have a 1089 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 2: store there, so you're in town, come see us there. 1090 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 2: We may open a store in Sydney at some point. 1091 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 3: We're just coming soon. 1092 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just kind of sussing it out right now. 1093 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Australia city side. 1094 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,959 Speaker 1: As we know those pop up stores, you should start 1095 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: with one of those because anything they do pop up, 1096 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 1: people line up around the corner. But in an out 1097 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: burger did it pop up and people lined up for 1098 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: like in King's six hours? 1099 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was only King's Cross. 1100 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,879 Speaker 1: And then when it because I was in Vegas or 1101 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,080 Speaker 1: in an out burger. 1102 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 2: Sometimes I wait six hours in the car to get it. 1103 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,479 Speaker 2: To get now it's like a thirty minute, thirty forty 1104 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 2: minutes and it's like, yeah, my kids won, and then 1105 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,239 Speaker 2: I'm like it's going to take forty minutes to forty five. 1106 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 3: I'm surprised it hasn't come to Australia yet, like properly. 1107 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, their model is it's all it's not franchises, it's 1108 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 2: all owned by the company, and they want to keep 1109 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,399 Speaker 2: the meat fresh. So what I heard is they keep 1110 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 2: it close to the suppliers so they don't have to 1111 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 2: freeze the meat. It's a big thing, gotcha. Yeah, I 1112 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,759 Speaker 2: could be wrong on that, but that was damn. 1113 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: When you go there to the Vegas, it's really good. 1114 00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: You have this, lets people know this enormous line and 1115 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: you're going, this is going to take forever. They're pretty 1116 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's incredible. 1117 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,399 Speaker 2: What's your order there? 1118 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: I had a I just went. I just went, very 1119 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: very sale. I went cheeseburger, fries and coke no sugar. 1120 00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: Coke no sugar. 1121 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 3: I don't have coke no sugar in America they have 1122 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,240 Speaker 3: coke zero. It's very hard to find it. It's always 1123 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 3: coke and Dike coke everywhere I've gone, which is fine. 1124 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 3: Coke tastes different, really yeah, coke and pepsi you taste different. 1125 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: I like Pepsi Max some pepsi max man. 1126 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 2: The other day it was good KFC. 1127 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,560 Speaker 1: I love it. Pepsi Max. It's like I was off 1128 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: the drink for what the best seventy five days horrible. 1129 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,759 Speaker 1: And someone said you want to have a taste of 1130 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: whole beer, I said, drink Pepsi Max. It tastes better. 1131 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: It's like you drink vodkor or mouthwash. I drink mouthwash, 1132 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,920 Speaker 1: an underrated one coffee or coffee coffee. 1133 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,440 Speaker 3: The other real past is underrated. Passion, creaming soda. I mean, 1134 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 3: list goes on and on. 1135 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: Where have we gone here? Okay is good? 1136 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 3: Passion is good. I used to have it at schol Sugar. 1137 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,280 Speaker 1: Sugar Diabetes COVID. 1138 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 3: They created like Area fifty one. 1139 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: Thanks