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Speaker 1: I get a team, Greg, Anthony Harper, Anna from Anna Movement,

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook over there in the top left hand corner,

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Speaker 1: and my bloody, my bloody page. Anyway, we'll start with

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Speaker 1: tip Hi TIF high Hearts.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh so good?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Not so good? Right now? I've got a piercing headache

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Speaker 1: because ninety minutes ago you haven't even mentioned it. Can

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Speaker 1: you see the top of my forehead?

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Speaker 2: I can, but when you put your head up it's

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Speaker 2: barely visible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So ninety minutes ago, I had a bloke

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Speaker 1: just cutting into my head for the second time in

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Speaker 1: two weeks. I also got this one, which is not

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Speaker 1: very good for but you can just see that. So

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Speaker 1: I had two big skin cancers cut off ninety minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Looks like wrestling sharks and.

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Speaker 1: The bloody the bloody anesthetic is just starting to wear off.

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Speaker 1: So if I start wearing my slurds and I start

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Speaker 1: being even more incomprehensible and delusional and ridiculous than normal,

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Speaker 1: you two might have to take over, do that. Anna

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Speaker 1: Galtsworthy from On a Movement Wearing The Daily Talk Show,

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Speaker 1: which is a now redundant but one time great podcast

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Speaker 1: here in the Thriving Metropolis that Tommy et Ol featured

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Speaker 1: on for a long time. Hi, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I've got my friend Craig. Well, he featured on it daily,

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Speaker 3: didn't he? That was his thing, Like I'm going to do.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, I'm Craig Tommy. I mean I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about speaking speaking of cognitive decline, there's some right now.

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Speaker 1: Well there you.

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Speaker 3: Go, because I didn't know that I skipped a beat there.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was pretty clear. Still referring to Tommy, Yes,

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Speaker 3: daily he did.

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Speaker 1: It was the daily talk show.

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Speaker 3: That was his goal. Was was it one hundred days

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Speaker 3: in a row? No?

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Speaker 1: A thousand? They did a thousand episodes and then they

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Speaker 1: then the boys pulled the pin, which is I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, that's a fucking lot, but

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Speaker 1: we're well past that before we go on, as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before, TIF otherwise Melissa will literally sack me from

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Speaker 1: my own organization, which I do not want. Hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: guess what coming up on? Hang on? EA scrolls to

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Speaker 1: the appropriate bit of the thing coming up on September

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Speaker 1: nine online. That's right online, fuck no shit, yep online

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Speaker 1: Between seven September nine in November eleventh, I am doing

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Speaker 1: an exclusive. It's kind of exclusive because there's only fifteen

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Speaker 1: people ten week mentorship me and fifteen people, it ain't cheap.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking for a bargain, this is not it.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking, well, it depends on how you perceive it,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but I think it's not that value. Mean,

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Speaker 1: fifteen people a weekly thing between like I said, September

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Speaker 1: nine and November eleven, it's a Monday night, it's ninety minutes.

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Speaker 1: Knowing me, it'll go for close to hours as well

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Speaker 1: as everyone who signs up for the program gets a

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Speaker 1: one on one with me for forty five minutes, which

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Speaker 1: also knowing me, will be an hour. And it is

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Speaker 1: not for everyone. It is for people who obviously can

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Speaker 1: afford it, but also for people who are ready to

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Speaker 1: It is really kind of an amalgamation and a culmination

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Speaker 1: the last forty years, working with bodies, working with minds,

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Speaker 1: working with businesses, and organizations helping individuals and organizations and

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Speaker 1: groups that think better, do better, and produce better. So

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Speaker 1: that's kicking off very soon. If you want to know more,

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Speaker 1: I know, go to the bloody website craigharp dot net

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Speaker 1: and you'll find it. There you go sales, pitch over,

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Speaker 1: take a side of fucking, take a breath whatever.

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Speaker 2: There you go to si as Silk.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I do? It's clear I hate

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Speaker 1: selling things, and I'm not. It's why I say it's

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Speaker 2: Actually it actually is a bargain if you ask me,

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of people booked in and said this

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Speaker 1: more enthusiastic to talk about something that I'm doing for free,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, that's what we're doing. So if you're interested,

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Speaker 1: Have you been on Planet Anna?

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Speaker 3: Planet Anna? Planet? So if we zoom right out and

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Speaker 3: Like in a really constructive, thoughtful way. She's you know,

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Speaker 2: this year has been that in a very physically, very

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Speaker 2: physical fatigue as well, but that not recovering and not Yeah,

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent relate to everything you're saying, Anna.

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Speaker 1: Would you explain Anna to me the dumbest, dumbest member

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Speaker 3: That wound's coming through.

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Speaker 1: but not on the same page as you. Two. When

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Speaker 1: How many stages are there and what's happening?

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Speaker 3: So the stages that I'm referring to are the ones

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Speaker 3: So four stages. Stage one is you know, there's subtle

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Speaker 2: We just think that's reflective of most symptoms of perimenopause

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Speaker 1: What does that mean in English?

434
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Speaker 3: Because so we've got hormone receptors in our brain, estrogen, progesterone,

435
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: and they have partnerships with different neurotransmitters, so they're kind

436
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: of related to what drives us, what gives us particular feelings.

437
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: We don't fully underne I don't want to say wheeze

438
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: if I'm involved, but when we look at you know,

439
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: the scientists that are looking and talking about that, we

440
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: still don't fully understand where emotions come from. And there's

441
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: a fantastic book by Lisa Feldman Barrett where emotions come from.

442
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: She's been on the show Get Out.

443
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 3: I have to go back, Jiff, get us the number.

444
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: So this is it's an interesting thing in what you're

445
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 3: talking about, right, Tiff, because if we go all of

446
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 3: those things could be part of what's going on for you.

447
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: And we just need to figure out where the hierarchy

448
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: of decision needs to be. But that ultimately, as someone

449
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: coming to their forties, am I correct?

450
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Forty one?

451
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: She wishes, she wishes fucking bodies in the rearview mirror.

452
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: Bro And by the way, here went randomly curly two

453
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: years ago from dead straight to curly.

454
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Speaker 3: That you know boiling away under there is that it's

455
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 3: not a perimenopause, isn't a switch. It doesn't just got

456
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: kind of get switched on. It's this gentle transition that happens,

457
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: like some people are still having babies through this time,

458
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: so it gets masked into that process. To your point,

459
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 3: you're potentially having a level of burnout, which would then

460
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: exacerbate the experience of perimenopause because stress drives and sort

461
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: of snatches progesterone, which is our calming foremone. So we've

462
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: got this. It's interesting, right, because it could be all

463
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: of those things. But which is the most powerful thing

464
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: for us to look at and put our attention towards.

465
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: Which is going to flick a switch in your physiology?

466
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: And that's sort of less of a cookie cutter thing,

467
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 3: but more about knowing what's happened for tiff all the

468
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 3: way through a physiology from day zero to now, even

469
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: potentially previous generations. And you know, then, how is that

470
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: map out? It's and really commonly is at this point

471
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: which is definitely my story as well. I'm at kind

472
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: of the peak of my career. I'm really clear at

473
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 3: what i want to do, and I'm pushing hard, and

474
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: often we're climbing the ladder and there's you know, kids

475
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: rocking around. Potentially there's definitely parents rocking around having troubles

476
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: with their health as well. This is a heap on

477
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: the plate as well from just a general stress point

478
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: of view. But you trucking a little bit of burnout,

479
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: and burnout and perimenopause symptoms mimic each other really similar, do.

480
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Speaker 1: You think, Anna, So you've been kind of for all

481
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: of your career until now working When you would work

482
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Speaker 1: with women with menopause or in perimenopause, it's more even

483
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: though you're trained and qualified and knowledgeable and researched, it's

484
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: more theoretical. But now you've got this experiential understanding, right

485
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Like now you're like, oh, this is actually like there's

486
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: a big difference between you know, I've written a million

487
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: programs for people to run a marathon, but when I

488
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: ran my first marathon, I went, oh, fuck, oh this

489
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: is bullshit. The fuck wants this fucking marathon running? Like

490
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Speaker 1: I reckon, I'd written a hundred programs accident as an

491
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: exercise sciences for people to train for and run a marathon,

492
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Speaker 1: And then I ran one. I went, why the fuck

493
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Speaker 1: would anyone do? This is ridiculous right one and out.

494
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: And yes, I'm comparing marathon running to menopause. I don't

495
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Speaker 1: know why.

496
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Speaker 3: It's a ten year thing.

497
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but for you, you're sitting in the middle

498
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: of it, having all this knowledge and having had all

499
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: this experience coaching and you know, prescribing and caring for

500
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: people going through what you're now going through. How do

501
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: you manage you? Because not everybody has your knowledge or

502
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: skills or awareness. So like for you to go like

503
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: for you to share how you feel and to describe

504
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: with absolute clarity you know your hormones and your emotions

505
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: and your even your psychological state. Is that an interesting

506
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: albeit not fun, but an interesting process?

507
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: Yes, is the short answer. And then from it, like

508
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: I looped the two concepts together from a business point

509
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: of view and from a like a me point of view,

510
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: is when I first form directly started speaking to perimenopause

511
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: rather than just people rocking in and checking where they

512
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: were at, you know, within a group or program format.

513
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Speaker 1: I was.

514
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Speaker 3: I was taking a Chinese medicine approach to perimenopause, and

515
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: they say, if you come to me with symptoms, you're

516
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: seven years late. I think that's what they say. So

517
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: I was recovering from my second pregnancy and a huge

518
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: burnout nod to tip, huge burnout, and I was just

519
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: starting to put body weight back on, and I was

520
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: getting my head clear and thinking about starting another business,

521
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: and I was hanging a second, I really need to

522
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: be more thoughtful with my health. So I started seeing

523
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Speaker 3: a Chinese med practitioner. And it's probably one of my

524
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: proudest health things in the last four years, is because

525
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I've gone consistently and I've done that, and I've been

526
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: lucky enough to have the cash to be able to

527
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: do that, and that's the most consistent I've been with

528
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: something outside of me making decisions for my health. So

529
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Speaker 3: I've done that consistently for like two or three years

530
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Speaker 3: with my amazing practitioner, and that was these teeny tiny

531
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: check ins with my health every month that I would

532
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Speaker 3: not have done before.

533
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: What is the continued on, sorry, what is the divergence

534
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: between your very Western training as an exercise scientist and

535
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: exercise physiologist where we're all about, you know, like medicine,

536
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Western medicine and drugs and anatomy and physiology and understanding

537
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: the body through a very Western science kind of lens.

538
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Like what led you to and this is not this

539
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: is a curiosity, not a criticism. What led you to

540
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: open the door on going and seeing a Chinese practitioner?

541
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: What did you learn? Why did you do it? And

542
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: what's the space between you know, what you knew in

543
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the past and what you know now having worked with

544
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Speaker 1: that person.

545
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: I just had to pause and I don't actually know

546
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: if I can answer with like clarity. There's a clear

547
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: feeling coming up in my body at the moment, which

548
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: is like it's a warmth and it's a comfort, and

549
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: it's a trust and it's not a trust. It's weird

550
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: because it's not a trust because I understand what they do.

551
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: It's a trust because it's just trust in maybe the

552
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: deep long history of it as a medicine practice. And

553
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: also this vary for me because you know, I'm a thinker.

554
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: I like problem solving and you know, being I need

555
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: to be thoughtful that I'm not creating problems because I

556
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: am a problem solver. Yes, is that I like being

557
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: able to go and trust the process but not know

558
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: the process.

559
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: That's called faith, that's called faith handover.

560
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: So completely handover and trust the practitioner has got. I've

561
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: got to click personally with the practitioner. Definitely. Still that

562
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: doesn't go away, but there's there's an intrigue and also

563
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: just an ability. It's a need and ability and to

564
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: want to be able to let go of being the

565
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: decision make it completely for my own body.

566
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Speaker 1: So there's seven people leaning forward on their seats now

567
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: going harps ask her what the fuck happens when she

568
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: goes like what is the treatment? What is the medicine? Like?

569
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: What do they do? What do you do?

570
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 3: So what I can say what I do? So they

571
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: work on meridians and acupuncture channels, and you know they

572
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: live in the organs and they're looking for different flows

573
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: in the body based on symptoms. So what I would

574
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: do was come with symptoms and then how they relate

575
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: to them is different to how the medicine system would

576
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: relate to it. And they still treat illnesses, but ultimately

577
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: what they're doing is a wellness system, so they're looking

578
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 3: for health before it goes wrong.

579
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Yes, we're proactive, not reactive.

580
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas Western medicine is inherently something's gone wrong, here's

581
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: our drugs to control it, fix it, all that kind

582
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 3: of stuff.

583
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: Have I ever told you my story about I've told

584
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: this two or three times, so I apologize listeners if

585
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: you've heard it, Tiff, you might have heard it. But

586
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: I did one hundred years ago, when I was running

587
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: track side sports in Hampton down the road, I did

588
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: an Advanced Diploma of Tactile Therapy, which is essentially an

589
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: eighteen month course in massage, shiatsu aka pressure, reflexology, all

590
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: this stuff. Right, it's kind of halfway between a cert

591
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: for and a degree or something. It was. It was

592
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: quite hard, right, but for me because I wasn't particularly

593
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: you know, clever. Anyway, nothing's changed, but one day we

594
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: did this thing. Where so, reflexology is basically in simple

595
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: terms like points in the feet where they poke bits

596
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: of your foot and that corresponds to a spot in

597
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: your body. Right, And so in Eastern medicine, as you said,

598
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: pressure points, there's like three hundred and sixty one pressure

599
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: points and fourteen what they call energy meridians or meridians,

600
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: and they have this you know, iridology years using the

601
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: eyes to kind of treat the body or recognize things,

602
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: and reflexology is the foot, right, And I really thought

603
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: at this point, like I remember my teacher his name

604
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: was Maurice Copeland, and I remember thinking this is bullshit.

605
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: But I didn't say it. I just I just doubted, right.

606
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I thought, there's no way that you can fuck around

607
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: with my foot and then diagnose something in my body,

608
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: because it essentially you know. And so he had this.

609
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: So we did night one and there's like twenty thirty

610
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: students and he goes, Craig, can you come up the front.

611
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like sure, So me and my magnificent feet go

612
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: up the front and then he's got these two charts

613
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: behind us, these a frames left foot, right foot, and

614
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: all the parts of the left and right foot which

615
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: correspond to different parts of the body. And he goes,

616
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: he didn't say it, but this is essentially what he said,

617
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: let me just fuck around with your feet. Don't tell

618
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: me if you've got any issues, any pain, any anything.

619
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Speaker 1: Let me just fuck around with your feet, which he

620
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: didn't talk like that. I do. So anyway, he started

621
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Speaker 1: on one foot and he's going through it and he's

622
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: like this, this is the fucking spleen, and this represents

623
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: the lungs and this is the you know, like corresponding,

624
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm like whatever, and then he gets onto my nothing.

625
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: Then he gets onto my other foot and he touches

626
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: this spot and I nearly go through the fucking roof.

627
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. And he goes, oh, you've got

628
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: a problem with your back, and I'm like, and I

629
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: actually had between my shoulder blades like heaps of pain

630
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, and it's thoracic right like, and

631
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: he goes hmm. He goes, well, while I'm here, do

632
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: you want me to fix it? And I'm like, well,

633
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: So then he fucks around with my foot for five minutes,

634
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not bullshitting, the pain that i'd had for

635
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: three or four days in the middle of my back

636
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: went away. And I'm like, you're a fucking wizard. I'm

637
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: a little bit scared and I'm a lot impressed. But

638
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: he literally diagnosed. And I'm the most skeptical person. So

639
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: if I'm saying everyone, it's well, in my case, it's

640
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: true that's what actually happened. But yeah, so I have

641
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: at the very least I have a very open mind

642
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: about Eastern medicine.

643
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think for me, like when you're saying

644
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: what people want to know, what it's like, I think

645
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: for me, the first time I came to it was

646
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: when I was pregnant, and I used it as an induction,

647
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: so you know, the end of your pregnancy, when you're

648
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: trying to encourage the body to naturally go into the

649
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: birthing process. And I guess at that point it was

650
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: if I think back on it and try and give

651
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: it a title, it was me trying to connect with

652
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: my body. It's classically the history with my body is

653
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: I'm the boss of you body. I'll tell you what

654
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: to do, I'll tell you what shape you meant to be,

655
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: and I will absolutely go to the ends of earth

656
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: to make you present in the way that makes me

657
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: feel mentally and emotionally. Okay. So I've never really connected

658
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: to my body in this kind of way, which is

659
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: I think pregnancy gave me that gift, which you know

660
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 3: all of us are lucky to have that. But that's

661
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: I think initially what brought me to it, and I

662
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: didn't stay in that at all. I went out and

663
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: then had my next version of burnout and was a

664
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: mother and da da da da da, and then coming

665
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: back to it again after my second tribe was born,

666
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: which was like six years later. And that was me

667
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: needing to return to my body again by guidance by

668
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 3: someone else. And you go into a session, you talk

669
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: about you know what's brought you here. They guide your

670
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: questions as well based on their world and if you

671
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: are okay with needles, akaid, needles get put in. I

672
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 3: had a couple of kind of whack versions of that

673
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: actually where needles were put in and then I'm laying

674
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: there and I felt like I was spinning. Wow, no Acu,

675
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: no Chinese med or accub person has been able to

676
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: answer to me what that was. So anyone that knows

677
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: the answer, please contact Craig on me. But yeah, you

678
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: get your needles on and often there's a little cute

679
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: little term that they call it. They call it an

680
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: acu nap. So often when you're in there, your you know,

681
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 3: your energy channels are being aligned and the things that's

682
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: being treated allows you to come into a state of

683
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: recovery and relaxation. So yeah, I would meditate on the

684
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: table and you know, do my little breathwork practice there

685
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: and tell my brain to stop trying to fix it,

686
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: let you know, trust the process and yeah, but it

687
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: was also very caring because the practitioner I had, I

688
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: would come in every time. It was interesting too. Sorry

689
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm layering, I'm jumping backwards. I would have said I'm

690
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 3: a pretty healthy person, but having going to her monthly,

691
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: I would come back and go, oh, no, you know

692
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: I had a cold or no, no, this happened. No, no,

693
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: this happened. No. And it was amazing how much of

694
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: what was going on in my body essentially got denied

695
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 3: because I was on the autopilot of life, was cruising along,

696
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: not actually fully attending to my wellness particularly well. So

697
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: having her there as a check in was really, really

698
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: quite powerful.

699
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I want to lean into this idea of connecting with

700
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: the body. I feel like that's a really that's probably

701
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: another episode. But I feel like a lot of us

702
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: are disconnected from our body, or completely identified by our body,

703
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: but disconnected from what it's telling us. Disconnected from you know,

704
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about the body being a biofeedback system.

705
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: It's always talking, it's always sending signs and signals and messages.

706
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: It's always communicating, but sometimes because we're so either so unaware,

707
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: so disconnected, so focused on something else, we don't listen.

708
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: And I know there's no three step plan, and this

709
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: is open to both of you. How do we connect

710
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: with our body? I feel like I'll shut up after this.

711
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: I feel like for most of humanity, most of the

712
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: evolutionary time line of human kind, you know, three hundred

713
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: thousand years or so, we haven't had all the shit

714
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: that we have now. We haven't been so distracted, so sidetracked,

715
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: so obsessed with other bullshit, and we've lived a much

716
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: more natural life and been much more naturally connected. Is

717
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: there is there a path back to connection? What might

718
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: it look like? What might an ingredient be.

719
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: We've just passed the law today where employees are allowed

720
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: to know not engage in work outside of work hours. Lawfully,

721
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: that's a step, but I think, yeah, I don't. From

722
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 3: an exercise point of view, I think we really need

723
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: to completely change the role of exercise. So exercise now

724
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: is marketed and delivered to people as a way of

725
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: controlling their body. It is not delivered to them as

726
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: a way of feeling the discomfort and the resilience of

727
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: a marathon run. How that relates to me as the

728
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: person I would like to be and leaning into what

729
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: matters in my life. It's going slowly, so slowing down.

730
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: So for some people, laying still on an acupuncture table

731
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: would sound like a version of hell versus you know,

732
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: can we go fast and can we go slow? So

733
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: for most people it's learning how to go slow, I think,

734
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: or at least in my world. But also for other people,

735
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: feeling discomfort and knowing what version of discomfort is appropriate

736
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 3: for the body to feel and trusting the body in

737
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: that way. That also leans into pain as well. Pain

738
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: as a signal from the body, not something to be

739
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: controlled or gotten rid of, which is a fair paradigm shift.

740
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: Is what is this pain trying to tell me?

741
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: En?

742
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: If I inquisitively say to my body, what what do

743
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: you need? Rather than medicating it? And you know, I'm

744
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: not denying the requirement of that for people to function,

745
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: But for most of us who just have intermittent pain,

746
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: what is this pain telling me about what I'm doing

747
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 3: in my life that then therefore needs to be attended

748
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: to in a different way, so I think, And also

749
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 3: just returning to our body in the sense that when

750
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: we have an emotion or a habit or a stimulus,

751
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: the following response is that actually helpful? And if I

752
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: actually tap in with what does that stimulus from a

753
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 3: brain to body experience do to me? Where does it land?

754
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: And then what choices do I habitually make because of

755
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: that sensation that we could be way more tuned into

756
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: the sensation. I've been sitting in this chair for two

757
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: my bum is numb. That means I haven't had a

758
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: break for me to then reboot my brain. So therefore

759
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm delivering this work or talking to this person and

760
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm not fully available. If my bom is my brain

761
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: is definitely And.

762
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I think also just recognizing that the average person and

763
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: this is bro science and this is not research, but

764
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: I would guess the average person in twenty twenty four,

765
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: just in terms of general movement and energy expenditure, moves

766
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: way less than the average Aussie in nineteen twenty four.

767
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: Like you know, life just used to be more effort,

768
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: more energy expenditure, more movement, more incidental exercise, more occupational exercise,

769
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, whereas now you if you want to build

770
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: a life that involves fucking next to no movement. You

771
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: can do it, you know you can. You can work

772
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: from home and spend your life. You know, I mean

773
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: having this conversation with my dad and you know, trying

774
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: to get him too, because his life right now, because

775
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: he's been crooked the last month. And I understand he's

776
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: eighty five and he's been crooked, but he's literally spending

777
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: twenty three and a half hours a day in a

778
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: chair or in bed because he doesn't have to move much.

779
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: And I'm going, I understand that's comfortable, Dad, but it's

780
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: going to fucking kill you because even though you're eighty five,

781
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 1: you still need movement, you still need strength, you still

782
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: need balance and function, and we don't need to turn

783
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: you into an olympian. But for fox sake, get out

784
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: of the chair. You know, it's like it is so

785
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: easy to do not much with our current lifestyle.

786
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: Hey, we've got choosing now, isn't it?

787
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh? It is it is. I just looked at the thing.

788
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Tip's got to go. I've got to go, You've got

789
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: to go. Let's continue your version of this conversation very soon,

790
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: your ace. How do people find you, follow you and

791
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: pay you an enormous amount of money to come and

792
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: work with their organization.

793
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: I am available at un a movement on Instagram, on

794
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: goldswe he is my personal page on LinkedIn and a

795
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: movement as well on LinkedIn as well. On my website

796
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 3: is on a movement dot com and there's a little

797
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: contact me page like everyone has in you can reach out,

798
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: We can have a conversation, beautiful Tiff.

799
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 2: Yes, if anyone would like to learn more about pmd D.

800
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: It was episode fifteen twenty four with Nicki Morrison and

801
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: Lisa Feldman. Barrett get your pen out, Anna was episode

802
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: one oh seven.

803
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: O Chiff You, I mean Joe Rogan has Jamie, I

804
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: have you.

805
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm here for you.

806
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: Bro Us three will say goodbye Affair but for now,

807
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: thank you Anna, Thank you, Tiff, thank you everyone, Thanks

808
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: you too,