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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just you know what probably at that

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Speaker 1: Some jail time, probably not eight years. I don't.

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Speaker 3: Just to bring you back to reality a little bit,

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Speaker 3: No one's going to stop, which which which would have

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Speaker 3: evidently led you to probably being dead, not being here

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Speaker 2: And that's and that's where it would have led, because

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are, what you absolutely, what

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Speaker 2: It doesn't like you said, it only takes one to

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Speaker 4: Life today, brother, you look a good life for Sydney,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: That they're throwing around peanuts and people who are just

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Speaker 4: You know the way that it is today is just.

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Speaker 3: Beyond anything ever we were living by by rural code

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Speaker 4: And and even once the drive by started, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it's very very very honest about what you're saying

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Speaker 3: The best, best pop possible story for a media outlet,

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Speaker 3: worst possible scenario for you blokes there.

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Speaker 1: And likes.

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Speaker 2: I don't take nothing away from the bloke that lost

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Speaker 2: Peel that we were the clubhouse that day.

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Speaker 1: Mine our own business. No one, no one asked him

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Speaker 2: and obviously something our flights broake out and the blokes

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Speaker 4: Was that like for you going through that court process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it was all new because, like you said,

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Speaker 2: demand slaughter to give my to give my Kobe. You know,

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Speaker 2: one of my brothers still today, a good good friend

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Speaker 2: So I've pled demand Stare to give him a fair run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that. You put your hand up and

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Speaker 4: And then obviously you know what I mean, you you're

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Speaker 2: The and the and the and the bloke that went

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Speaker 2: mean as lawyers, my lawyers rub their hands when when

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Speaker 2: it was probably the best outcome for me, but I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't sit there and let him do what he

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Speaker 1: Then, So yeah, I mean, then he got an opportunity

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Speaker 1: I had to put it. You know, we had to

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Speaker 2: And you know that's what you know when you when

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Speaker 2: was still abandoned for six years of my sentence too.

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Speaker 2: So when you wear that patch, you do what you

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Speaker 2: got to do for your brothers. And if that's what

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Speaker 1: We're in this.

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Speaker 3: If your brother's wounded, it was always in war, wasn't

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Speaker 3: it make you pick him up? You don't leave him behind.

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Speaker 4: Just how it was. And you know, like, wow, you're

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Speaker 1: So originally?

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Speaker 2: So originally I was sentenced to eight with six eight

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Speaker 4: This is for the manslaughter.

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Speaker 2: And then during my remand time at mr C Melbourne

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Speaker 2: on the Romand Center, I was involved in a jaril right,

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Speaker 2: and I've going up to ten with us I end

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Speaker 4: So yeah, how much of that do you have to

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Speaker 4: do in segra because of the right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty two months in the slot in the slot

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Speaker 2: I've done, Yeah, Charlotte down at Port Phillip, it's probably

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Speaker 2: one that I'd say it's it's the worst I've been.

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Speaker 2: I've been a baring slots and I've been a bar

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Speaker 2: Paul Philip Charlotte. It's I mean, it's broke a lot

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Speaker 3: I was about to say that they put you in

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Speaker 3: at the super Max and all that in New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: I mean I did twelve months in Segra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in my sixty sentence and you.

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Speaker 3: Know what, it's a tough fucking war, yeah, saying you've

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Speaker 4: You don't see anyone. And I said, coming past you.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's a very very lonely lonely and

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Speaker 3: you're totally controlled. They don't want to let you up

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Speaker 2: They do it, and they do it, and that's and

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Speaker 2: that's yet what they do down there. I mean the

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Speaker 3: Blow up, they throw the squad in one for the

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Speaker 4: And then what are you gonna do? You can't you

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Speaker 4: try and square up. Yeah, there's a no win situation.

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Speaker 2: It's just to be literally, you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 2: just to take a little bit more man who are

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Speaker 2: it's like you said, one hundred percent of the max

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Speaker 2: slots of.

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Speaker 1: The design to break up.

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Speaker 2: And and it does break a lot of people and

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Speaker 2: at the same time, for me, it made me stronger.

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Speaker 2: It may you know, I mean, like you get you

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Speaker 2: get that attitude and you get back to your your

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Speaker 2: ground roots and you think, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna You're not gonna fuck me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're going to take more than this

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Speaker 2: So emotionally, like now I've been out for nine months,

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Speaker 2: I'm emotionally it's it's probably done a lot of negative

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Speaker 2: talk to me because I find it very hard to

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Speaker 2: get emotional about things now. And really it makes it

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Speaker 2: people out here probably don't realize why you've been like

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Speaker 2: that and how you can be so shallow. But when

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Speaker 2: used to yourself and you get in that one phone

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Speaker 2: call a day. And for a long time in prison,

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Speaker 2: phone calls would be fake, I'd say, you know from.

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Speaker 1: How it was just it was a repeated record.

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Speaker 2: You know, you ring up your loved one, How are you,

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Speaker 2: how's the sun?

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Speaker 1: How's this? That's good? How school? Yeah? Okay, bye blah.

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Speaker 2: It was all just pre recorded in your brain. You

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Speaker 2: didn't even go back to your sound and thinking about

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Speaker 2: what you just spoke about. It's just you turn off

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Speaker 2: how I found doing my eight years of jar.

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Speaker 1: That's that's how I got through it. You do, yeah,

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Speaker 3: You have to become numb. I mean, look, I won't lie.

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Speaker 3: You know, like I, like yourself, was on Raman and

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Speaker 3: I was looking at ten. I ended up with the

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Speaker 4: That's its simple as that I was charged, got me whatever.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I had this mentality where fuck the world,

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Speaker 4: An angry man, and you know, people don't understand.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in that situation that you're in obviously, right,

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're not, then stay the well out

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you when you're upsetting a wing

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Speaker 3: because you've got a bad attitude, not so much with

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Speaker 3: the inmates, but with the screws, it doesn't do your

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Speaker 3: no favors with the inmates because there's other things going

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Speaker 3: on around now that especially blakes that have been there

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Speaker 3: a long time. You know, different things happening here and there,

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Speaker 3: whatever it might be, it's but by the by you

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Speaker 3: firing up and you can cause ramps, you fucking getting tipped,

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Speaker 3: bringing other people down around you without you even knowing.

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Speaker 3: It can become very fucking dangerous for just anyone and

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Speaker 3: everyone's wonderable no matter who you are. You fuck sit up,

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Speaker 3: and for all these young blokes out there listening that

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Speaker 4: Hard and going to jail and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you when you step into that yard, you're

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Speaker 4: fucking no one there