1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: People say, oh, I say, you know, come on, Jason, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: tell me what's your you know, your best moment, your 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: most professional moment. I'll just stop everyone there. I'd say, 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: how do you measure success? I mean I measure success 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: by the fact that my kids still want to hang 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: out with me, and I'm fifty six and they're in 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: their mid twenties. That's success to me. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: Hi, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigle. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: People of the Eur nation, the traditional custodians of this land, 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: and pay our respects to the elders, both past and present. 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 3: I'm cam Dado on my pat malone with you. I'm 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: really excited to speak with a fellow who I met. 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: Close to forty years ago. 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: That's right hard to fathom that I say forty years 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: because in my mind, I think he'll be perpetually in 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: his early twenties and I don't feel any I don't feel. 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Like anywhere near sixty. That just blows my mind. 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 3: Jason Donovan and I met at the beginning of our 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: careers working for Channel ten. He joined the Neighbors Cast 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: and I was in my first year of hosting televisions. 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: Off the dish at four o'clock. It was an afternoon 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: kid's show. Jay was around eighteen. I think I was 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: about twenty. Jason and I would be invited to telethons, 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: Logi Awards and other Channel ten promotional events. We drove 26 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: against each other in the Australian Grand Prix. Yes, Celebrity race. 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: I still had a bone to pick. Hang on, he's 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: not here yet, but I don't know what that echo is. 29 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: I've still got a bone to pick with him about that. 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: And then when I got my first shot at acting, 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: it was beside Jason in the Heroes. I can say, 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: though we have not spent a lot of time together 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: over the journey, I do rate him as a deer 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: compadre and among other things, Jason is also the ambassador 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 3: for Optus. You can try the Optus network free for 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: seven days without any commitments or payment details. Just download 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: my Optus app and go with any es incompatible mobile device. 38 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: Welcome the man, I affectionately known as JJ Donovan. 39 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: Hey Cam, Hey buddies. See so tell me, so, tell 40 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: me what is the I remember the rear vision mirror 41 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: and I remember seeing your face driving in Adelaide that 42 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. I think I might have cut you 43 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: off on a court might have you might. 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: Have cut me off on the corner you did on 45 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: the last turn, on the final turn of the fifth lap, 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: I was sitting in front of you. 47 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Do you remember Greg Norman? 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Vaguely? 49 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: Okay? 50 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: So Greg Norman drove past us both on a blue flag, 51 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: so he broke the rules, and which is interesting for 52 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: a golfer to break the rules. And he broke the 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 3: rules because someone had crashed. And then suddenly you're behind me, 54 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, and you were edging me, 55 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: and you got the front of your car and you 56 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: nudged my rear with my rear corner panel, and you 57 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: pushed me just enough off the track and slid by 58 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: me to take third spot or four din. 59 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I can't I can't even remember. I'll 60 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: tell you of one other great story. I don't know 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: whether we got the time, but I did a similar 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: thing here in the UK for the British Grand Prix 63 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: with celebrity race beforehand and very shortly before you get 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: your cams license and blah blah blah. You're sitting there 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: and having your brief at Silverston, and of course they 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: say take you know, take the line, you know, keep 67 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: stick to your lines, because that's the best way around 68 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the track. I think I was like sixteenth on the grid. 69 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: I didn't time well. So the lights start to go 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: and I look at, of course everyone, all these celebrities, 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: and we had these Ford fiestas with like sponsorships on top, 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: which were like watches. They were physical watches. It was. 73 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: It was sort of bizarre. You know, made Adelaide, Yeah, 74 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: made Adelaide look sexy, you know, I can't. I think 75 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: they were cameras? Were they the cars holding anyway? Whatever? 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: Took this first, and then of course everyone on this 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: first corner goes wide, and I thought it's a race. 78 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: I just went straight down the middle. I went from 79 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 1: sixteen to one, all right. I couldn't believe. I couldn't 80 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: believe everybody was playing by the rules, and I thought, 81 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: this it's a race. You know, you get into the 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: corner as quick as you could. But at the back 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: of the Silverston at the straight, unfortunately, I had a 84 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: particular watch that wasn't a wind friendly, so I putting 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: my foot down and it was acting as a sale 86 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: against me, and I think I ended up in the 87 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: same same position on the grid as I did when 88 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: I started. But look, I apologize Cam. It's obviously it 89 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: obviously reverberates very strong in your memory because you can 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: even remember the positions. 91 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: But I forget most things these days, mate, But I 92 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: do remember random facts and random things. 93 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: It's quite bizarre. Hey, where are you? Where have we 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: found you? 95 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: I'm in London. I'm at my home in London. I 96 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: lived here for you know, for on and off for 97 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: thirty years. Yeah, you know, notting Hill, West London. I 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: don't really always say that, but that's where. 99 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: I am and wife, kids, wife kids, and have been 100 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: married since my fortieth birthday in Bali. 101 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: I have three kids, Jenna twenty four, Zach twenty three, 102 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: and Molly thirteen. Yeah, and I'm still here, mate. You 103 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: are telling Showby's stories, telling Showby's stories. 104 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 105 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: So when you first started, I mean you started, I 106 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 3: think it was Skyways, wasn't it the TV show? 107 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: It was? 108 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: And your dad, Terry was an actor. 109 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: How did your upbringing shape this artistic journey that you've 110 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 3: been on all these years? 111 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: Well, it shaped everything, you know. I was brought up 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: by my dad's My parents split when I was quite young, 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: you know. Interestingly, my father got custody of me, you know, 114 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: and I guess I spent the sort of the seventies, 115 00:06:54,839 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, on sets, you know, with my dad's because 116 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 1: we didn't really have other than my grandmother. My father's 117 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: mother didn't have sort of help. So I would be 118 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: picked up by my dad, you know, in full cop 119 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: shop costume and make up, with a gun holstered to 120 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: Dad's side of his chest, you know, as he was 121 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: in between between filming. Yeah, I guess, you know, like 122 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people, you tend to 123 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: follow in your parents' footsteps in some ways, some don't, 124 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I've heard this NAPO baby thing. 125 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: I just ignore it completely, you know. I think it's 126 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: sort of aligned to celebrity and social media people trying 127 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: to find tags to sort of lock onto. I know 128 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: one thing, I had a passion for performing, and I 129 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: had a passion for my craft. And I say that 130 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: to my kids these days. I said, you know, jem 131 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: is an actress. Pick your eye on the craft and 132 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: you know you won't go wrong. You know, you'll you'll 133 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: always you know, fame was a complete default position. It 134 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: was not the intention Neighbors was you know, that moment. 135 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: But Neighbors to me was an acting job, not an 136 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to become famous. 137 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's the pickfall that a lot 139 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: of people have today. If they if they're after the 140 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: head into the career to be famous, you won't probably 141 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: last as long as if you're heading into your career 142 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: as an actor to tell stories and to be in 143 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: the story and to do that. 144 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: It's a better chance at it, isn't it. 145 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it's you know, it's been an 146 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: it's an interesting ride, but you know, my passion is performing, 147 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: and you know, music became another aspect to that which 148 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: sort of was never really planned. It just sort of 149 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: happened that I discovered, you know, my love for songs 150 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: particularly and what music can do and how it could 151 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: put you in a time and a place. 152 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 153 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know it's it's that that completely screwed 154 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: with my intention of becoming that actor. It sort of, 155 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, took me in a different different direction. 156 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: You mentioned Neighbors before. I'm gathering you would consider Neighbors 157 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: as your big break. Yeah, yeah, okay, So what was 158 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: your experience like on Neighbors, and more so probably the 159 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: recognition that followed. I know, you weren't in it for fame, 160 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: you were in it for being an actor. 161 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: And telling do we playing that part? But how was 162 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: that for. 163 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: You back in the eighties. I mean, I'd have to 164 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: my memory. Look, it changed my you know, you know, 165 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: Neighbors was an extremely unique happening, you know in Australia 166 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: and around the world this you know TV, so I 167 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: mean for a long time, you know, Australians were seen 168 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: as this sort of you know, outpost Crocodile Dundee, sort 169 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: of laconic, comic type of country where pawns are thrown 170 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: on barbies. You know, Neighbors came along and showed Suburbia 171 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: or Australia, and it showed a different type of Australia. 172 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: And it was it was driven particularly by the youth 173 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: and you know, not to undermine the older cast members 174 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: of course, but it was underscored I think by younger 175 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: calt It was a different, different scene. Look, it changed 176 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: my life, you know, you know, you can you know, 177 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: we all know now television is in a different place, 178 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: you know, in those days, you know, growing up in 179 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: Melbourne you have Channel zero, Channel nine and Channel seven 180 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: and Channel two. You know, that's it. Now. It's a 181 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: different world. So you know, when twenty million people are 182 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:26,479 Speaker 1: watching you there, you know, buying into your person your personality, 183 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: your character, it's a very powerful platform in which to 184 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: do things. You know. And notwithstanding look, I think, you know, 185 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I think for you know, Jan rossu cast, Neighbors got 186 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: it in a unique way. I don't think she would 187 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: ever intended, but she got you know, a bunch of 188 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: actors together who who'd had a bit of experience and 189 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: we're just about to go off, as we'd say, do 190 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,479 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think you know Kylie myself, 191 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, guy there, we'd all had a live little 192 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: bit of you know, experience beforehand. There was a bit 193 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: of pedigree there, and it just Neighbors came along and 194 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: was the right time at the right place. You know. 195 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I don't believe in luck. I 196 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: think you create your own luck in life. But timing 197 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: in life is everything, you know. Yeah, that's that's there. 198 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: Was the nuts and bolts. 199 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember, because I didn't aspire to her to 200 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: getting into the business. 201 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 2: I just said, yes, there was just you know, people 202 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: just go you want to try this? Yes, I'll be there. 203 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: And sort of two years later after saying my first yes, 204 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: after being thrown out of university, you know, I end 205 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: up hosting a TV show and then you know, do 206 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: you want to do it? Do you want to be 207 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: an actor? Yes, I'll do that. I'm never aspired to it. 208 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 3: And then here's you and I on the set of 209 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: The Heroes in Cans, working together with John Hargraves, John Bass, 210 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: Johnny Hewitt, a lot of John's there and and so 211 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: that was the first for me. And like I said, 212 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: you know, the Grand Prix, we got. 213 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: To do that. 214 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 3: There was logis, yeah, yeah, I don't know if you 215 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 3: remember when we were doing The Heroes. There was a 216 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 3: lot of practical jokes going around. 217 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was really it. 218 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: Was really good fun. And was that your first mini series? 219 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: Two? 220 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: Was that? That was your first departure out of Neighbors, 221 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: wasn't it? 222 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it was. Well it was in terms 223 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: of doing something completely different. I mean I'd had obviously, 224 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: you know, TV experience before Neighbors. But you know, one 225 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: is always trying to find you know, there's a complacency 226 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: with success. You know, you want to mix things up 227 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: a little bit and change in a bit, and and 228 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: the Heroes was an opportunity to stick on and with 229 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: Channel ten. So you know there was there was good. 230 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: There was a good you know, they were they were 231 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: they were sharp, and you know we got to work together. 232 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: I think that who was was it Paul Reese who 233 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: was the league? I think I saw him mate in Saltburn. Yes, 234 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: she did this, she did as the butler. I was 235 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: sitting there the other day with a bottle of red 236 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: and I watched Saltburn Saltburn, and I was completely you know, 237 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't have an appetite for you know, I really 238 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: like to be on point with watching television or movies. 239 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: I've got to really like. So that's why I tend 240 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: to go to films because I know the actors. I know, 241 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: I get a sense of where I'm not going to 242 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: be wasting two hours of my time. And I watched 243 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Saltburn and I was completely blown away. And then Paul 244 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Reese there he was is the sort of. 245 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: Where do I know that guy from? 246 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? It was bizarre, man. 247 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: This fantastic. How people can do that or actors can 248 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: do that? You think about it. I'm often fine, I'll 249 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: go where's that person, and suddenly they'll turn up on 250 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: a movie, you know, on a TV show, and that's 251 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: where they are. You mentioned music before and how that 252 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: was not on your radar yet you had such great success. 253 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: How did that come about? 254 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'd always had an inkling with Dad, and he 255 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: was musical Theater Chicago was probably something in the early 256 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: eighties that I the musical Chicago. I watched fifty sixty 257 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: times and I just fell in love with it. Richard 258 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: Ware at Geralin Turner Nancy Hayes Sydney Theater Company production. 259 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Dad was fantastic. Blah blah blah. Anyway, you know, I 260 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: part that, you know, Dad and all these sort of 261 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: crazy seventies actors were very negative people most of the time, 262 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: and you've got to understand that, Well, most actors are 263 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: out of work, let's be honest. You know, that's the 264 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: sort of that's the nature of the business. So I 265 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: was surrounded a lot by that. But what came out 266 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: of that was was, you know, Jason, you need to 267 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: be versatile, you know, you need to think of the 268 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: next move. And you know entertainment music, singing, dancing. Not 269 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: a great dancer. I never have felt that was my strength. So, 270 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, with the birth of Neighbors, you know, there 271 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: was a neighbour's band guy, you know, Cray. You know, 272 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: there's some really talented NI musicians there, Kylie of course, 273 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: myself and Kylie singing, you know, in the car on 274 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: the way to Frankston, you know, whispering Jack or you 275 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: know that, you know far you know, going to Queensland, 276 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: George Michael, you know, so music. And then of course 277 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: Kylie's success happened. And you know, I've been very honest 278 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: about this. You know, I looked at her and thought, wow, 279 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, this is this is interesting. And of course 280 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: once her success happened, they knocked on my door and 281 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: do you turn it down and go, no, I'm not 282 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: that type, or do you go maybe that's an opportunity 283 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: for me as well. And I took the latter and 284 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad I did you know, I mean, that's you know, yeah. 285 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: And was that the point? 286 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: So you and Kylie were dating for a while, there 287 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: was that during was she having musical success during that time? 288 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: Did that come afterwards? 289 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely? 290 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. 291 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: Was nineteen eighty nine was my sort of year. And 292 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: then that's when that sort of we all moved in 293 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: our different directions. 294 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, success, Yeah, interesting. 295 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: Tell me, look, I've got to ask you this. I 296 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: was talking to him Made of Mine today and I 297 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: told him where I was coming. I said, I'm speaking 298 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: to Jason Donovan. And he said to me, he goes, 299 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: why did they keep there? Why did him and Kylim 300 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 3: and I keep that a secret for so long? 301 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: Do you reckon? 302 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: I said, I don't know. I'll ask him. 303 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there was so much invasion of privacy at 304 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: that point, you know, and neighbors, you know, to emulate 305 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: what you're doing on screen and off will not emulate. 306 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: But it was well, you know, we were living with 307 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: each other and performing with each other. There has to 308 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: be some aspect to privacy and also you know, preserve 309 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, the opportunity to not always give the press 310 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: sometimes what they want to hear, you know what I mean, 311 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: or not not not always not give the press what 312 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: they want to hear, but just just be very sort 313 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: of you know, selfish in our own ways, and just 314 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: so that's really none of anyone else's business, you know, 315 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: you know, and you know I'm not you know, I 316 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: think was it the right thing of the wrong thing. 317 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I don't I don't really 318 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: don't really analyze it. Yeah, the privacy, yeah, I mean 319 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: you always want an audience wanting more, don't you do? 320 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? In a way, and when 321 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: you've got that moment in time, maybe that's what that 322 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: was about, you know, sort of that whole guessing. 323 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I mean, you had the spotlight 324 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: was hot on YouTube, wasn't it? And the show so 325 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: I totally understand why you be going. Yet we're not 326 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: sharing this part of it that no one needs to know. 327 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: I think you had moments like that too, can in 328 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: your your career. Probably we've all had moments like that, 329 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, with relationships and people are they are they not? 330 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: You know, so I think we're all all in that. 331 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: Well sometimes. 332 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: Yes, Look I can say for me because I didn't 333 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: aspire to acting, it came later to me. 334 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: You know, I have a stutter, and so speaking on. 335 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: Camera or on stage or you know, any of that 336 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: sort of thing was an absolute nightmare thought for me. 337 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: I had to start. 338 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I. 339 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: Mean I still battle with it every now and again, 340 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: but it was quite when I was doing Perfect Match 341 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: I used to get stuck every now and again, but 342 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: I find another word that was my getting through it. 343 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: I'd get another word in my mind, and I was 344 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: great synonyms and antonyms first. 345 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: Right, right, I do that. 346 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Right. It's such a great, great world now in which 347 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: we can, you know, be a lot more transparent about 348 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: those things. And you know, I think the world is 349 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: changing in some ways for the worse and some ways 350 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: for the better, you know, So you know, I think, 351 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, you know, in the eighties you bury stuff 352 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: like that. Not in the eighties nineties. You know, there's 353 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: a world in which those things, you know, not being perfect. 354 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: Everybody wanted to try and be perfect. Now, imperfection sometimes 355 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: are your greatest as it. 356 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: Sure it builds resilience, doesn't it. And that builds confidence. 357 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: What I was getting to for me when I started 358 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 3: to act, I felt like an impostor. 359 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh. You know, like, especially 360 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: when we were doing Heroes, there was us. The guys 361 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 2: are around us. 362 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this, but the guy 363 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,239 Speaker 3: the young guys around us were mostly nighter graduates. And 364 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 3: you mentioned Paul Reese. He was a rata, you know, 365 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: very technically rada guy, did you ever did you ever 366 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: battle with imposter syndrome or lack confidence? And how you 367 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 3: know if you did, how how would you get through it? 368 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Uh? Well, lack confidence? Yeah, I mean it's only now 369 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: really as a performer. Honestly, as a performer, I feel 370 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: fully in my stride a little bit more. 371 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: You know, why is that having. 372 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: Blonde hair and blue eyes, you know is an asset 373 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: when you're young. And also you know, and being you 374 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: know that the person I was was a complete asset, 375 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: but also you know, very difficult to overcome that sort 376 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: of credible and my worthy type of yeah, you know, 377 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: and use you're question a lot of things. I mean, 378 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: the irony is and I've said this, you know to 379 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, actings are funny and entertainment's a funny thing 380 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: because you could go and study, you know, to be 381 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: a carpenter and you know, get an apprenticeship and mostly 382 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: be guarantee that you're going to work. You can go 383 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: to night or and never work again, you know, if 384 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: you're not the not the right shape or so you know, 385 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of I mean, you know, I guess 386 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: even in the music industry, you know people I mean 387 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: from a soap is that the right way? Well, Johnny 388 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Depp was in twenty one Jump Street mate Harry Styles 389 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: was in one direction on X Factor. So you know, 390 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: if you're going to the landscape of how we produce longevity, 391 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: I guess is that the key word here. It comes 392 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: down to hard working through those anxieties and self doubts, 393 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: constantly working on your craft and you know, making sure 394 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: that when the timing is right, you're prepared. And I think, 395 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I think, if I'm going to be honest with you, 396 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: that's where my my career or my has worked for me, 397 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, And that comes down to a good work 398 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: ethic with my dad, you know, interesting watching him, watching 399 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: him work. And also, I'll give you one other thing 400 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: in my life that's really kept me going is physical fitness. 401 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, I've always kept physically fit, even when I've 402 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: had you know, the nineties weren't particularly a great moment 403 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: for me. You know, I had all that success, I 404 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: had to process that. How do you in today's world 405 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: that comes under the title of mental health. Back then, 406 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: it was just like God, you were so lucky, and 407 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: you know you went off the rails, But how do 408 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: your dad or was I to deal with what happened 409 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: to me. But I kept fit and the fitness got 410 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: me through the other side. And when I got through 411 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: the other side, I've never you know, never looked back 412 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: and never been stronger, you know. 413 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: I mean it's well documented. You now, I'll just cry. Okay, 414 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: So let's so, what do you do for your mental 415 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 2: health today? 416 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: I still keep fit, mane. I'm doing a lot of 417 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: ice bars at the moment, you know, Yeah, yeah, I 418 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: do a lot of ice bars. We're in the UK 419 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: at the moment, we're in that sort of mad or 420 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: autumn where the clocks are about to go back and 421 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: the temperatures dropping. A lovely time of the year, beautiful light. 422 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: But what do I do to keep you know, mentally? 423 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: Have you done? 424 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: They really done therapy? I'm going to I'm going to 425 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: say I've talked to so many journalists, sat down and 426 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: more normally had some sort of article written about me 427 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: to go, ah, okay, this is where I'm happiest, and 428 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: this is where I'm unhappy, and this is where I 429 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: get a school out of ten. No. I certainly I 430 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: think I might have touched on therapy for a while, 431 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: but it's not been a major part of my physical 432 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: fitness when I go from run, when I go in Nspath, 433 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: when I go and swim, when I go riding through London, 434 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: or when I'm in Sydney or Melbourne. If I'm going 435 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: down the beach in the morning and I do my lapse, 436 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: I stretch, I feel fantastic if I when I try 437 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: and avoid alcohol these days a bit because it gives 438 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: me anxiety. 439 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 3: Except when you're watching saltburn, except when I'm watching. 440 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: And that gives your heartburn. 441 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: And I'm popping next and tablets anti reflux. 442 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 2: Where are you finding growing up? You? 443 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 3: You we both love surfing and I know you have 444 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: to surf at Bondi and stuff. 445 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: Where are you surfing in in England? You're finding a wave? 446 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: Do you know what, mate? I learned many years to 447 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: go to swap swap my surf surfboard for a guitar. 448 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: It was giving me. 449 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: Surfing on a guitar. 450 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: No, no, I swapped it for a guitar. So yeah, 451 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: so I hadn't done a lot of surfing, I'll be 452 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: honest with you. 453 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: So I couldn't believe it when you moved to the 454 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: UK and we'll get in there. So many things I 455 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: want to touch on. But I was like, what's he 456 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 3: going to do for waves? This man loves to surf 457 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: and he's moved to, you know, probably the least surfing 458 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 3: place in the world. 459 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: Why did you How was that? 460 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: What were the cultural differences for you when you moved 461 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: over there? 462 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, I came here on a 463 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: red carpet cam, you know, so it was very different 464 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: for me, you know. I mean, notwithstanding though, you know, 465 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: it was also very difficult for me because I was 466 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: seeing this wonderful opportunity. But you know, all my mates 467 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: are having a great time, having just come out of 468 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: school and you know, in Melbourne, having you know, the 469 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: time of their lives, and here I was locking to 470 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: this sort of opportunity work routine, which I loved. I'm 471 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: not I'm not, you know, but but London sort of 472 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: changed for me when I started to have a bit 473 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: more of a good time I suppose, you know, and 474 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: have a drink and just enjoy my friends. And it's 475 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: a great city. You know, it's a great city. And 476 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: when you're on a roll, you know, in this town 477 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: like I was, you know, and also from Melbourne, you know, 478 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: Melbourne London similar that I've been from Sydney. Yeah, I 479 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: think in a way there's there's there's certain parallels. It's 480 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: a big Sunday afternoon roast, lots of reading and lots 481 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: of newspapers, and you know, that sort of world sort 482 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: of got into my skin a little bit. And subsequently, 483 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, even now, you know, I tend to you know, 484 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: we've got a place out of town. So you know, 485 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: the English countryside is incredible. You know, it's incredible. The history, 486 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: the history in this part of the world, you know, amazing, amazing. 487 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: As your role as a dad, how has that influenced 488 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 3: career choices and priorities over the over the years for you? 489 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I'm you know, I don't has necessarily 490 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: influenced my choices. Well maybe it has in the sense 491 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: that I've had to keep you know, we've got to 492 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: play a lot of skill fees, you know. So so 493 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I think education is extremely important with children, 494 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: and I've been lucky enough to be able to give 495 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: my children what I consider good education here in the UK. 496 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: That's the priority in my life, education and health. But 497 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, I what children just changed my life, you know, 498 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people say always say, you know, 499 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: come on, Jason, tell me what's your you know, your 500 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: best moment, your most professional moment. I'll just stop everyone there, 501 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: I say. It's got nothing to do with how many 502 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: units or how many people have watched a television show. 503 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: It's about you know, the children and you know that's 504 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: playing in the sand, and is the rest of the stuff, 505 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: you know? You know, how do you measure success? I 506 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: mean I measure success by the fact that my kids 507 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: still want to hang out with me and I'm fifty 508 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: six and they're in their mid twenties. Yeah, that's success 509 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: to me. 510 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brilliant. I like that. 511 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: So what what what do you what strategies do you 512 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: use to do the work life balance? 513 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think and she has a great 514 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: respect for my my work, and she's very supportive. She's 515 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: an incredible mum, you know, and you know, my best friend, 516 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: so there's a respect there. She was in theater, she 517 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: was a stage manager, so she gets it. 518 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: Is that how you guys met Yeah we. 519 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: Met on the Rocky Horror shot in nineteen ninety eight enough, 520 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: so there's a bit of a bit of pedigree there 521 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: as well. Work life balance, that's an interesting one, can 522 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: because I don't know whether I've I've been striving for 523 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: a long time to try and get that one right. 524 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: Problem is, I love to work and I like to 525 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: enjoy the good things in life, and they cost money. 526 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: You know. Not great at relaxing and taking it easy. 527 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: I need to probably get to that point. But again, 528 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, keeping fit, you know, sort of eating well. 529 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: I love the garden. Try and get out in my 530 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: garden a lot, you know, I try, and and you 531 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: know I'm a bit of a I love my home. 532 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm really into, you know, making sure the home looks 533 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: it's my piece of art in my life, in my way. 534 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: You know, it all looks nice. 535 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: And are you a DIY guy? Can you find your 536 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: way around? 537 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: I try, but patience is not great, you know. And 538 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: I really tried, but I'm always doing things too quick. 539 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'm doing things too quick, so it never 540 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: works out. So it's better to pay for the professionals. 541 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: What do you think? 542 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: I know this is a hard question when I say 543 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 3: what is the most But tell me what do you 544 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 3: think are the most memorable lessons? Just one or two 545 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: that you've learnt throughout your well career. 546 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: The one that comes to mind instantly. And it's a 547 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: quote I heard recently and I've told it to a 548 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: couple of companies, companies that I've worked with, meaning I'm 549 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: normally the old bastard these days. I'm normally the old 550 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: guy when I go into these shows. And for some reason, 551 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: by the musical theater has become my sort of bread butter, 552 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: and it's because of the acting and the scene. Listen, 553 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm very happy. I love the genre. But my quote is, 554 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. 555 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that say that again. 556 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Because 557 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: I've always felt I've always felt I've always I've watched 558 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: a lot of performers around me over the years. God, 559 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: you know, they can pick up a script and they 560 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: learn it straight away. I wish I could do that. Man. 561 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, I've watched singers he just naturally look always relaxed, 562 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: because singing is about the best way to sing is 563 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: just when you're just free. And I felt like I've 564 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: always had to thrive, you know, for that. And I feel, 565 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: as I mentioned in the start, is that it's sort 566 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: of paying off that hard work is starting to pay 567 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: off a little bit that that you know doing you know, 568 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: working at something every day, you know, working at something 569 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: every day, that suddenly these kids that are coming in 570 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: and young adults that are you know, are looking towards 571 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: you as you know, for modern inspiration, but certainly as 572 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: a role model, I suppose. But yes, hard work. 573 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 3: Hard, Yeah, hard work beats everything. It's like I have 574 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 3: you ever worked with a fellow called Larry Moss. 575 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: You know who. Larry Moss is, the American director script. 576 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 3: Basically helps people like Leo DiCaprio breakdown a script. He's incredible, right, 577 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: and he would always say to me, the red carporate 578 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 3: is dirty, Cameron, the red carpet is dirty. 579 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: Do your work, you know. 580 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: And it was just all about that if you do 581 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: the work, everything to take care takes care of itself. 582 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 3: And that's with parenting, that's with I think marriage, friendships. 583 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 2: Importantly, you know, you've got to put the work in. 584 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this repetition, you know, in what we do, 585 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 5: mate is really is really interesting because with repetition, even 586 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 5: if you're not necessarily it's only recently I've become a 587 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 5: big reader. 588 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: You know, I was never a big reader, but with repetition, 589 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: the text starts to have different ways, different interpretations. Songs 590 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: start to have different, different pauses, different breath moments. You know. 591 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: Repetition is I've heard Pacino talk about this a bit, 592 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: you know. You know, repetition brings text music to life, 593 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: you know, and it can seem boring to a lot 594 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: of people, particularly in the social media world where everything's quick, 595 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, quick, quick, quick. Got to keep working at it, mate. 596 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 2: Do you remember the conversation we had. 597 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 3: It was probably back in twenty fifteen around there, and 598 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 3: I spoke to you about playing the captain in Yes, okay, 599 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: so there was something that you said to me, and 600 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 3: also it was said to me by the director. 601 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 2: He said, look, if you tell. 602 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: The truth every night with this part, it will be 603 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 3: different every night. 604 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 2: Just stay in the moment. 605 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 3: And I have to tell you because listener Jason was 606 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: I was in Los Angeles getting ready for the role, 607 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 3: and I knew Jay had played it. So we spoke 608 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 3: on the phone and that was really helpful to me, 609 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 3: that conversation that we had, and I had such a 610 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 3: great time, So thank you for that. 611 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: You know. That's all right, Ye's all right, Well, you 612 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: know you we didn't at paths haven't crossed a lot, 613 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: can that? I'm you know, looking in speaking to you now, 614 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: it feels like we are definitely connected more than we 615 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: probably we need to be connected more. Well. 616 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 3: You know what someone says to me, you know, they go, 617 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 3: what's your greatest role? 618 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: What's your greatest success? 619 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: I go, I think it's being in the business and 620 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 3: working for four decades. 621 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: And I can see that with you too. 622 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: And how do you measure success? Mate? Some people find 623 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: getting out of bed in the morning very difficult. Some 624 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: people are fighting cancer. Some people are trying to earn 625 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: a million dollars more than they earned last week. You know, 626 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: how do you measure measure what's successful in life? You know? 627 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: You know how many bedrooms and a house? Do you 628 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: really know? 629 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 2: How many boats can you Swiss behind? 630 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 6: I mean, you know you just yeah, only do you 631 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 6: know what I mean? And possessions are are wonderful, but 632 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 6: but you know, it's all pretty meaningless. You know, if 633 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 6: you don't have your health and your your friends and 634 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 6: your family, you know, to be able to give it 635 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 6: all meaning then you know, and it's all cliche. It's 636 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 6: all been done before, it's all been said before, but 637 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 6: it's it's you know, the brothers and fathers and mothers 638 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 6: and sisters from a different generation were right. 639 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 3: One last question, what's something about you that your fans 640 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: might be surprised to learn? 641 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: I think they don't. 642 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 2: They don't, they don't. You've been pretty pretty quiet? 643 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, I'm a bit I mean the thing 644 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: that comes. I'm not a great I'm a great sleeper, 645 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: but but I do get anxious about small things. I'm 646 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: a bit o c D. I'm you know, I have 647 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: been an obsessive compulsive disorder with things like doors and locks. 648 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely obsessive about my bed and making sure it's 649 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: made each day to perfection. 650 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 2: Okay, okay? Is it the four hundred thread count Egyptian cotton? 651 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well yeah, I mean where do you go there? 652 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: It's it's col Own and Cotton, which is a great 653 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: company here in the UK. Listen, I think if you're 654 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: going to spend your life half your life in bed, 655 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: get it right, get that right. You know you wear 656 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: beautiful clothes or you you know, try and make yourself comfortable. 657 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: Don't you want to get in bed and feel the 658 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: minion dollars and feel great? Some people can't, you know, 659 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: it's it's hard can because, as I keep saying, with 660 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: all these wonderful things that we talk about, some people 661 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: are struggling to even have a bed. So there's that 662 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: whole paradox in life that keeps knocking on my door 663 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: all the time. To you know, I try, in my 664 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: work and my life and my people to keepers as 665 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: focused on the truth and authenticity of who I am 666 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: and who you know we are in this moment in time. 667 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: That's all you know I can do. Mate. 668 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, this has been an incredibly what's felt like, an 669 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: incredibly authentic conversation with you today. 670 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, it's cool. 671 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 2: It's great. It is hey, I love it. Let it 672 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 2: out cost me a sin, No, it did not. And 673 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: we had a good time and. 674 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: We had a good time, mate, good time. 675 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 3: Good on you mate, Hey listen, good luck with everything. 676 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 3: And I hope that we get to hang out soon. 677 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time. 678 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: Mate, it's been good to loved it. 679 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 2: Well, there he goes Jason Donovan. JJ Donovan. 680 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 3: We've known each other, like I said, for close to 681 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 3: forty years, and he he hasn't changed. He's still lovely, humble, modest, brave, brave, fella, 682 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 3: because yeah, he's made some choices and done some things that. 683 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 2: That are tough, and it's he's keeping it real, which 684 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 2: is terrific. So that's us for this week. 685 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: Ali and I will be back together next week, so 686 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 3: hopefully you can tune into Thanks for being here.