WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 July 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:05.559 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.680 Good Evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond in 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.239 for Sharry Marxon this week. Well, we're waiting to see 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:13.560 if Trump can get his big beautiful bill over the 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.520 line after a handful of Republicans dared to stand in 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 the way. If that happens during the show, I'll make 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.919 sure to let you know. Plus the bizarre suggestion to 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.040 ban men from childcare work, I'll explain why that is 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.479 illogical and offensive in just a moment. And UK Prime 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:32.040 Minister Sakia Starmer has celebrated, if we can call it that, 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.080 one year in power. But why on earth was the 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:38.800 Chancellor in tears in Parliament today? Tom Slater will explain 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.400 why later on in the show. Now, sometimes when bad 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.560 things happen, there's a tendency to look for some kind 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.640 of immediate solution. For instance, in Victoria, youths brawl with machetes, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:53.800 so the state government says they'll ban them. Now, does 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.920 that stop knife crime, of course not. Does it stop 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.560 the sale of machetes, of course it doesn't. Bit like 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.640 Howard's legal to sell cigarettes that haven't come through the 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.640 proper channels, and yet you can get them like turning 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.240 on the tap. It would seem these sorts of knee 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.520 jerk reactions are quite common, and I saw calls for 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.440 another one today in light of the horrifying allegations against 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.479 childcare worker Joshua Dale Brown. He's of course been charged 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.480 with seventy child sex offenses relating to eight alleged victims 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.640 at a childcare center in Melbourne, and that is awful, 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.240 no question. But Louise Edmonds, who's a founding member of 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.240 the Independent Collective of Survivors, came out today and said 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.320 men should be banned from working in childcare centers. Is 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.280 she was on the Today Show this morning. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.440 So there is grave concerns and we shouldn't be looking 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.320 at the equality space and the inn sector. We actually 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.000 have to look at the safety first and foremost of 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.280 our most vulnerable citizens, which are our children, and a 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:58.160 lot of them are voiceless. So children start communicating well 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.640 at around two years old. The children under two years old, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.480 they cannot speak. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.320 Now, there's already no equality in the childcare sector, but 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.560 I'll come back to that in a moment. She went 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.280 on to suggest that in the meantime, parents should be 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.000 able to stop men from working with their children. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.560 But what can be put in place into daycare centers 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.680 is first and foremost, overnight literally is a child intimate 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.920 care waiver. So all day care centers can literally say 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.200 to the parent, do you opt in or do you 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.640 opt out at this very moment to actually have a 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.079 male care outlook after your child. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.960 Now. I understand that Louise is a survivor of abuse herself, 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.200 and I sympathize with her, but you cannot just ban 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.680 men from working in childcare. I mean that is to 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:51.600 suggest that every man is a potential pedophile until proven otherwise. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.359 How can you ever actually prove otherwise? I mean, how 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.160 many years do you have to live on the planet 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.680 without having interfeed with a child until you can say, yeah, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.600 he's fine. There are so many men, through the course 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.720 of their work who love children and want to help 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.840 children and be role models and raise them up to 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.680 be the best future adults that they can be. But 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.360 people like Louise think they have no place in the world. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.800 You know, I get that parents of children who are 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:24.400 alleged victims of mister Brown would be feeling awful at 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.200 the moment, but also consider how the small number of 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.600 men who do work in childcare must be feeling right 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.840 now too, when they have people popping up in the 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:38.000 media basically suggesting that they're pedophiles by default. They wonder 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.840 so few men work in childcare. The Sydney Morning Herald 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.120 reported today that between two and four percent of early 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.880 childcare educators and preschool teachers in Australia are male. And 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.240 I'm sure there are plenty more who'd love to do 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.000 the job because they genuinely want to make children's lives better, 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.320 but they're too afraid how some people might perceive them. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.960 They know that someone's going to look at them and go, oh, gee, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.040 you must be a pedo because you want to work 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.440 with little kids, and so they go, that's not famil 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.200 leave it to someone else. And that's really sad. It's 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.839 sad that men are made to feel bad about themselves 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.240 simply because they are men. And yes, it's undeniable that 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:25.240 the majority of child sex offenders are men, but the 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.560 vast majority of men are not child sex offenders. They're 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.080 good people who want to do good things. And you 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.960 must consider as well that it's not just sexual abuse 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.240 that might be going on in childcare centers. It's all 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.680 kinds of child abuse. Now I don't want to go 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.600 into great detail because it's pretty horrific, but there was 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.640 a case in New South Wales a couple of years 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.839 ago where a childcare worker used a young kid less 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.720 than two years old like a mop to clean up 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.640 vomit literally on the ground. That's physical abuse, and it 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.120 was done by a woman. In fact, a report in 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.760 twenty eighteen to the Criminology Research Advisory Council found that 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:09.320 women were more likely than men to maltreat children. It's 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.159 head quote. There were important patterns noted in relation to 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:17.360 gender and indigenous status. Overall, Indigenous and non indigenous females 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:22.000 had substantiations that substantiations of cases of maltreatment of children 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.960 more of them than Indigenous and non indigenous males. The 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.320 report also found that the vast majority of child male 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.279 treatment and abuse happens in the home at the hands 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.719 of parents, rather than places like childcare centers. So banning 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.440 men is in some kind of catch all to stop 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:45.280 children from being abused, and frankly, it's offensive. Men are 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.320 already demonized enough in the modern world without being excluded 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.560 from workplaces on the basis of something over which they 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.559 have no control and having to deal with people looking 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.120 at them assuming that they're a pedophile. If you ban 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.560 men from working in childcare centers, then surely you'd have 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.240 to ban them from being teachers too. And I know 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.760 the kids might be a bit older, but it's the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.200 same thing really, it's a job of caring for children. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.120 And the other thing, of course, is that children need 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.320 men in their lives, particularly young boys. They need male 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.080 role models to look up to. There are more than 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.520 a million single parent families in Australia and eighty percent 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.360 of them are single mothers. I mean, for some kids, 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.600 childcare or school might be the only opportunity for them 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.960 to spend any significant time around a man. You can't 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.760 take that away from kids. Seems as though the role 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.080 and value of men in the world is continually being diminished. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.039 This is just another example of it. We need more 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.839 men in teaching and childcare, not fewer. In primary schools, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.520 states have as much as four hundred and fifty percent 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.679 more women than men in their teaching ranks. In high 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.920 schools there are as many as seventy percent more women. 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.919 We need more men. Like Hiua Jaldiani. He is the 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:12.080 head of the science faculty at Saint Peter's College in Adelaide, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.640 and he's such a positive force in the lives of 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.840 his students that last year, ten year twelve boys, with 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.000 the support of their parents, spoke to his family and 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.600 organized to cook him breakfast one day to thank him 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.280 for his support during the year. They rocked up to 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.520 his house at quarter to six in the morning and 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.360 mister Jaldiani walked out of his bedroom to find his 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.080 house full of students cooking him and his family breakfast, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.880 which they then ate together while one of the boys 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.960 played his piano. They wanted to do a good turn 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.720 for someone that they clearly respect. I mean to me, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.600 that sounds like a sterling group of young lads honoring 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.680 a man who has clearly left an indelible mark on 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.000 their academic lives, so much so that they went out 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.480 of their way to organize a surprise breakfast with his family. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.880 But some spoilsport father who's done wasn't even involved, ran 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.520 off to the advertiser to say that the breakfast was 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.320 quote deeply troubling on several levels and that he quote 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.680 felt uneasy that this is a culture that this is acceptable. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.600 I mean, even a touching tribute to a beloved teacher 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.600 is somehow inappropriate to some people because it happens to 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.960 be a male teacher. I reckon, we need more mister 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.080 Jaldiani's in the world, more male teachers that command so 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.640 much respect from their students that they'll get up at 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.560 Sparrow's fart to cook him breakfast. And I should say 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.079 I wrote about that story in my advertiser column a 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.720 few weeks ago, and mister Jaldianni sent me a lovely 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.000 note to thank me. I feel a bit guilty that 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.600 I haven't written back to him, So mister Jaldianni, if 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.360 you're watching, thank you, and I promise I'll right back 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.280 to you this weekend. But he is proof of just 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.680 how valuable men are in education and childcare. He is 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.200 proof of the great benefit that men have to offer. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:06.360 Being a man is not the problem. Well, Penny Wong 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.079 spent the better half of her morning trying to convince 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.199 us that Trump is actually keen to meet with alban Easy. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.680 We're obviously very flexible about those arrangements. President is a 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.640 very very busy man. But I was pleased that Secretary 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.720 Rubio were clear that you know obviously that they're keen 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:25.280 for a meeting. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.120 The Foreign Minister also sounded a little ambiguous about defense spending. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.680 The circumstances are such, I know there will be more 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.960 capability required. I think we all understand that, and we 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.120 will fund the capability that Australian needs. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:41.720 So is there. 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.520 Significance in him not raising with that yesterday? 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.040 Am I looking too much into this? 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:46.400 Well? 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:52.720 I can only report that from the meeting. Obviously there's 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:53.240 a lot to. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:57.319 Discuss with me now to discuss. As Director of Strategic 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:01.040 Analysis Australia and adjunct fellow at the Institute to Public Affairs, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:05.199 Peter Jennings, Peter, let's start with this non existent Trump meeting. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:09.200 I mean, how long can Albow go without one of 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.160 these meetings before it does start to impact things like 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.800 ORCUS and national security more broadly. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.559 It's clearly doing that already, Caleb, and I would say that, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.000 you know, in the history of the Australia US Alliance relationship, 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.560 there wouldn't be a time in the past where a 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.959 president and a Prime Minister have not actually spoken for 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.840 you know, six or seven months and met to talk 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.600 about these issues. And it's very clearly now beyond just 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.520 the challenges of scheduling a meeting. I mean, I think 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.040 that we are getting a sense of disapproval out of Washington, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.720 d C. And the President doesn't see it as a 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.520 priority to meet with mister Albanezy, even though he's meeting 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:55.719 many many other world leaders. And so we should read 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.160 this as a problem, just as the Americans telling us 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.720 that we are significantly underspending on defense is a problem. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.640 And to refer back to your earlier comments, how is 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.760 it that our foreign minister can go to Washington and 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.280 not even want to raise that as an issue? Instead, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.760 the question is or was it raised with you? But 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.840 surely we have an honest enough relationship that we can 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.080 talk about these things, so that there are problems in 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.320 the relationship and our government needs to be stepping forward 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:23.600 to work out how to deal with them. 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:27.680 Well, because Wong says that Rubio Marco Rubio, the Secretary 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.240 of State in the United States, didn't raise the defense 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.600 spending with her, why would that be, well. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.800 Why wouldn't she raise it with him? I mean, there's 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.880 a review of aucas They've told us that our spending 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:45.760 is significantly under what we should be aiming at. They're 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.880 concerned that we're losing our military capabilities. Why wouldn't we 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.079 be raising that first and foremost with the Americans. If 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.840 we think there's a positive story to tell, Penny Wong 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:55.640 should be telling it. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:57.439 They know there's a problem. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.920 The reason no one's talking about it is they know 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.240 there's a serious problem, and the Prime Minister is digging 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.200 a hole for himself by saying that he's not going 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.679 to make any changes. There's a sort of a lack 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.319 of maturity, I think, apart from anything else, and how 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.199 we are dealing with the US right now, and this 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.600 is not your normal bilateral relationship. There are principal security provider. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.320 We are utterly dependent on them for our security, for 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.160 much of the military technology that we have, for our 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.480 intelligence supply, and for the orchestra relationship. And yet somehow 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:31.720 we can't bring ourselves. 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.839 To talk to them. But this is the point, right Peter, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.560 in your view, what is behind the pig headedness of 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.920 the Prime Minister and the government not to simply say, yeah, sure, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.320 will increase our defense spending. I mean, if Trump can 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.080 go off to NATO and get every country but Spain 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.000 to sign up to five percent of GDP, they all 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.560 conside that that's the best thing for them, and for 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.600 the United States and for the broader world. What is 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.840 it about Alban Easy makes him think he's special. 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.320 Well, One, his heart is not in defense. It's just 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.600 not a priority for him and never has been. Two, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:11.920 he doesn't want to admit publicly that we have a 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.520 problem with China, because in the alb and Easy world, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.800 we've stabilized our relations with China. No one else believes that, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.880 But he doesn't want to admit he's made a mistake. Three, Caleb, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.440 he discovered during the election campaign that there was some 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.520 political benefit to him to be seen to be at 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.440 a distance from Trump, and unfortunately he's carried that into 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:32.920 the election. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:33.680 He's won. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.160 So you know, now he needs to get back to 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:40.200 normal diplomacy, and that means talking to the president. I 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.520 think there is a combination of a lack of interest 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.240 in security and a certain stubbornness which is making up 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.480 and Easy just refused to deal with what is now 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.720 I think a serious problem in our alliance relationship. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.840 Well, you mentioned China. Fiji is pushing back against China's 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.959 efforts to set up a military base in the region 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.439 that the Prime Minister yesterday was speaking at the National 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.360 Press Club He also said that he would offer his 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.440 countrymen to fill our ad of shortfalls, which is a 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.319 pretty extraordinary move. Of course, that the PM's going off 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.200 to meet with Jijingping this month, and that'll be his 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.200 fourth meeting with g with zero of course with Donald Trump, 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.080 these sorts of things should be coming up for discussion, 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.920 but one imagines they won't be. Well. 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.600 First, you good on Sidavini Rambuoka for saying what he said. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.760 You know, he is clearly now one of the older 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.320 statesmen of the Pacific Islands region, and I think a 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.320 person who's very close to Australia and close to the 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.480 Australian military. So I welcome his comments and I think 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.000 he also reflects what quite a number of Pacific Island 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:51.200 leaders are thinking. As for Albanezi's visit to Beijing, wouldn't 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.080 it just be terribly embarrassing calib of what happens is 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.400 that he'll have had four face to face meetings with 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.280 President g before one face to face meeting with most 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:04.280 important alliance partner and by the way, our biggest economic 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.040 investor in Australia, that's the United States. Something is going 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:12.160 terribly wrong here with how Albineez he's thinking about his priorities. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.600 Well, I mean, Donald Trump probably won't call him a 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.560 handsome boy, so he's got that. On the Chinese Ledger 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.320 right before we go, Peter that the US has stopped 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.680 some of its weapon deliveries to Ukraine in an attempt 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:29.080 to redirect resources to put America's interests first, and in 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.480 a telling sign that the Kremlin welcomed the reduction of shipments, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.760 saying that it would help end the war sooner. And 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:39.000 of course that is what the Kremlin would want, but 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.280 they want that to be in their favor. What sort 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.680 of rain do you think Trump is trying to pull here? 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.960 I'm puzzled to really know. And the trouble is that 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.720 with much of the Trump administration's management of this issue, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.880 what you hear on Friday will be changed by the 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.120 time we get to Monday. You know, my view is 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.760 by far the most important American interest right now in 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.000 this is that Ukraine is not defeated by Russia, and 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.240 if that means supplying them with weapons, that's what the 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.440 Americans should be doing. The Ukrainians are not asking for 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.840 American boots on the ground, They're just asking for the 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.600 weapons to continue to fight the war, and that's in 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.280 America's interest, in Europe's interest, So i'd hope that's where 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.440 the Pentagon would come out on this matter. One thing 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.600 I think at points to calib is that they don't 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.720 have enough domestic production capacity for their own weapons, and 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:32.760 that's something we should be thinking about as well. It 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.320 means to say that if we're pressed, we can't just 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.640 imagine that a phone called to Washington is going to 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:43.080 break through and create an instant supply for us when 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.000 America has to meet its own priorities in a conflict. 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.760 And so there should be some defense spinning lessons that 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.000 flow to Australia as a result of. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.040 This as well. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.960 Indeed, Peter Jenning's great to see you as always. Now, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.800 the Albanizi government's Arts Council has reinstated controversial artist Coloreds 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.120 Bassi to the twenty twenty sixth venice by ANIALI. Take 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.439 a look. I've mispronounced that. I know. Sorry, I'll come 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.000 back to that commitute. But take a look at some 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.240 of the work he's done. Part of the reason he 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.720 was originally dumped from the prestigious role. I mean he's 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.200 done art works of terrorists for heaven's sake, let's bring 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.240 in now WA Opposition leader Basil's implus and Director of 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:26.920 Forest and Wood Communications Australia, Marcus Bastian Basil, it wasn't 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.200 good enough for him to be sent off in February. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.320 That's when they originally yanked him off the line up. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.679 Now in July they say he's okay. Am I missing 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.280 something here? Is something changed in the last five months 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.680 that means it's now okay to have artists representing Australia 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.800 who do art and terrorists. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.080 These are very good questions you pose caylerb And there's 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.800 a bit of a saying, isn't there Actually there's across 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.800 all walks of life. Go with your instinct, go with 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:01.280 your gut and creative Australia's gut or instinct was not 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.040 to allow this artist to be a part of that 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.320 international competition back and festival back in February. Their instinct 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.720 was right, their gut feel was right. And I think, look, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.560 we all have great love and respect for the arts 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:19.000 and creative sector right around Australia, but I think there 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.240 are some of us that feel there's one rule for 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.119 the arts community and another rule for everybody. Else and 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:30.639 that somehow, under the guise of creative freedom or creative artistry, 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.879 they're allowed to do anything they want, even if even 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.040 if the standards in the rest of the community would 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.399 mean no way would that be allowed in schools, in 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.080 other public places, in most other areas. 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:45.520 Of our community. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.760 And so they should have stuck with their initial decision. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.520 This is the Arts Minister Tourney Burke, defending the decision. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:53.119 Take a look. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.919 I don't put myself out there as an art critic, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.879 but when the criticism that was done at the time 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.679 said these were not pro terrorist works, and the artist 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.119 himself says there is nothing in this that's meant to 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:11.800 in any way endorse terrorism, then I don't think politicians 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.960 can say, well, you're all wrong, and. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.600 It is now. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.320 He wasn't quite that outspoken when the band was originally 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.480 slapped on in February. But Marcus, I'm a free speech man. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:25.680 I believe you should be able to do and say 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.040 whatever the hell you want, basically as long as it's 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:31.359 under your own steam. I mean, if he wants to 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:37.040 go overseas and show art works of terrorists, that's his business. 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:40.520 But why are we the tax payer paying for it? 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.760 Well, I think there's a serious problem which is at 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.680 the heart of the creative community and perhaps the bodies 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.000 that provide the funding though people who sit within those bodies. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.679 There's questions that really should be asked on who is 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.800 part of these boards, who is part of these groups, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.960 whoill provide the funding and the checklists for giving these 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:05.440 guys the green light for venice. I mean, ultimately forty 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.399 years ago we sent people like Sydney and Noland. 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:08.440 Goodness grows to me. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.760 We had Arthur Street up in nineteen ninety nine, we 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.360 had Howard Arkley, but really in the twenty first century 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.240 it's been a fairly lackluster group. There's been a few exceptions, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:25.960 but ultimately this current fellow is just a political commentator 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.280 who happens to have taken up a creative industry, and 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.919 unfortunately our industry is heavily, heavily subsidized by the Australian taxpayer. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.040 Yeah, and look, I believe in funding for the arts 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.880 because I think the arts is a fundamentally good thing 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.160 for this country and we do have a great history 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.159 of the arts in Australia. But too often now it 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.760 seems that it's the sort of elite lefties using government 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.240 money that the rest of us give them to then 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.120 give money to other elite lefties to produce art that 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.720 no one really has any interesting unless they're an elite lefty. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.120 It's the same as the ABC. It's ridiculous. Now here's 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:06.080 an interesting proposition. Should taxpayers be footing the bill for 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.360 weight loss drugs because the Labor government is reportedly calling 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.960 for these drugs, you know, a zenpic and whatever. They're 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.639 diabetic drugs originally, but they're now using them largely for 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.479 weight loss to be added to the pharmaceutical benefit scheme 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:26.440 to try and control obesity in Australia. I know they're expensive, basil, 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.800 but surely these things don't actually treat the underlying issue. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.399 I mean, if you can lose weight fast, that's great, 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.000 But if it's an issue of what you're eating or 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.400 exercise or I mean a epic doesn't fix that. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.920 Well, that's what common sense would tell you, wouldn't it. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.960 Common sense would tell you that if a zen pic 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:49.800 can help somebody who is struggling with hereditary issues of obesity, 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:52.479 they're unable to do anything to shift that weight and 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.600 it is really affecting their health, and this drug is available, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.840 then by all means it should be available and supplied 0:21:58.880 --> 0:21:59.160 to them. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:00.880 No arguments, they're But if it's. 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:02.960 Somebody who just can't be bothered but rather sit on 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.000 the couch and watch Sky News all night with a pizza, 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:07.000 maybe a couple of. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.600 Bits, tell them not to do. 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.800