WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 August

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show tonight. The shocking admission from Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>top spy agency that they haven't done security checks on

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<v Speaker 2>all Palestinians arriving in Australia straight from the war zone.

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<v Speaker 2>This could put lives at risk. Labour's massive security blunder

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. Plus Peter Dutton launchers a scathing attack on

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi over the cost of living, even yelling at the

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<v Speaker 2>Treasurer to resign. And why Albanesi has been dubbed the

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<v Speaker 2>Raygun of Australian politics. He's playing the part of PM,

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<v Speaker 2>but can't quite nail the routine on the big stage.

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<v Speaker 2>We unpack that with my political panel later on, But first,

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton today seized on the IBA's devastating critique that

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<v Speaker 2>its spending was keeping inflation high. It comes as numerous

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<v Speaker 2>polls show that voters are starting to blame the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister over the cost of living crisis. In Question Time today,

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton launched a political attack over the economy on the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister has broken promises to cut electricity bills,

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<v Speaker 3>to provide cheaper mortgages and to ensure that families will

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<v Speaker 3>be better off on the cost of living. The price

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<v Speaker 3>of electricity is now up by twenty two percent, We've

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<v Speaker 3>endured twelve mortgage rate hikes, and the prices for food

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<v Speaker 3>and groceries are up more than eleven percent. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>clear to austrage this government has lost its way because

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<v Speaker 3>of this Prime Minister's lack of economic management and experience

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<v Speaker 3>and general incompetence.

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<v Speaker 4>Past week, the RBA said, quote, public demand is forecast

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<v Speaker 4>to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting recent public spending

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<v Speaker 4>announcements by federal and state and territory governments end quote.

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<v Speaker 4>But the Prime Minister dismissed this, claiming that's not what

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<v Speaker 4>they've said. Why is this prime minister in denial that

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<v Speaker 4>Labour's spending is causing homegrown in and keeping interest rates

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<v Speaker 4>higher for longer?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? In Parliament today, the Prime Minister once again refused

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<v Speaker 2>to concede that his government spending was contributing to inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>I reported last week secret Liberal research that showed voter

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<v Speaker 2>sentiment was hardening against alban Easy over the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Polling in the media today bore that out. The Herald's

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<v Speaker 2>Resolve poll reported that voters have marked Labor over its

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<v Speaker 2>handling of the nation's finances, and The Herald reported that

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<v Speaker 2>voters strongly favored Dutton and the coalition when asked to

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<v Speaker 2>choose the leader and party they believed would do a

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<v Speaker 2>better job managing the nation's finances. Forty one percent shows

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<v Speaker 2>the opposition. Only twenty three percent chose alban Easy and Labor,

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<v Speaker 2>and then news poll in the OZ showed the coalition's

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<v Speaker 2>primary vote is now at thirty nine percent, with Labour

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty two percent. The two party preferred result was

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<v Speaker 2>fifty to fifty. Simon Benson reports that support for Labor

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<v Speaker 2>at under a third of the electorate, is now below

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<v Speaker 2>it's May twenty two election result and would suggest there

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<v Speaker 2>is little prospector of Albanesi calling an early election for

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<v Speaker 2>this year. But on these results, Labour would only lose

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<v Speaker 2>four seats and would still retain government. That's if those

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<v Speaker 2>results are accurate. Momentum is clearly in Peter Dutton's favor

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<v Speaker 2>and the continued cost of living pressures will cement voted

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<v Speaker 2>disappointment in Albanesi, who repeatedly promised before the last election

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<v Speaker 2>to bring down the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 5>A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off

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<v Speaker 5>cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the

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<v Speaker 5>cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief

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<v Speaker 5>downward pressure on cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>So for all the go and spending designed to both

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<v Speaker 2>ease pressures and win votes, there's been no political dividend,

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<v Speaker 2>no vote of thanks from Australians who can recognize the

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<v Speaker 2>broken promise when they see one well. Germany is passing

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<v Speaker 2>laws to deport HUMAS supporters in a tough yet sensible approach,

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<v Speaker 2>Yet the Albinezi government is doing the precise opposite. They're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing people into Australia who may support Jimas, and security

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<v Speaker 2>agencies aren't being given an opportunity to do background checks.

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<v Speaker 2>That utterly breathtaking revelation from Asioboss Mike Burgess yesterday.

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<v Speaker 6>Do they pose a security threat?

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<v Speaker 7>So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,

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<v Speaker 7>security checks are critically important. There are process in place,

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<v Speaker 7>and I can assure your audience that when things get

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<v Speaker 7>referred to asier we deal with them a fe actively.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, there might be times when they didn't get

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<v Speaker 7>referred to us in time. Once we become aware of them,

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<v Speaker 7>we're able to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Mike Burgess, they're admitting not all of the Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>visas were being sent to ASIO for background checks. It's

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<v Speaker 2>quite the revelation. He said very clearly. There might be

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<v Speaker 2>times when they didn't get referred to ASIO in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's putting the Albanezy government on notice should there

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<v Speaker 2>be an attack. Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson was

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<v Speaker 2>outraged about the lack of security checks today.

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<v Speaker 8>I was astonished by the revelation that it does not

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<v Speaker 8>appear that every single person coming out of a war

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<v Speaker 8>zone controlled by a terrorist organization is not being referred

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<v Speaker 8>to as for a security assessment. Of course, every single

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<v Speaker 8>one of those people should be referred and on top

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<v Speaker 8>of that, the Department of Home Affairs and the officials

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<v Speaker 8>reviewing those visa applications should be using the character provisions

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<v Speaker 8>of the migration to reject the application of anyone who

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<v Speaker 8>is a supporter of a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens then when these Palestinians who pose national

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<v Speaker 2>security concerns, if they do are already in Australia. Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Burke has said that no one will be sent back

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<v Speaker 2>to Gaza He says, no government in its right mind

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<v Speaker 2>would send people back to Gaza, and he's indicating that

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<v Speaker 2>they will stay in Australia permanently. This is despite Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Alberzi promising voters that the visas will only temporary. It

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<v Speaker 2>shows how comfortable Albanesi is blatantly lying to Australians. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an extremely serious issue. Her must supporters being

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<v Speaker 2>flown into Australia from the front line of Gaza at

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer expense. By the way, could threaten our national security

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<v Speaker 2>and our safety in a dangerous way. James Patterson today

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<v Speaker 2>asked what sort of Australia we act we want to

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<v Speaker 2>live in?

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<v Speaker 8>Hamass a listed terrorist organization. It has political objectives which

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<v Speaker 8>it believes should be achieved through violence, and anybody who

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<v Speaker 8>supports using violent means to achieve political objectives is not

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<v Speaker 8>welcome in Australia and should not come to Australia. But

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<v Speaker 8>if you support using attacks like the seventh October, which

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<v Speaker 8>killed the largest number of Jews since the end of

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<v Speaker 8>the Holocaust twelve hundred people on one day and kidnapped

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<v Speaker 8>hundreds more, then I don't think you should come to

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<v Speaker 8>this country. I mean we should ask ourselves. Will our

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<v Speaker 8>country be stronger if we bring hamas supporters in? Will

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<v Speaker 8>we be more united? Will we be more cohesive? Will

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<v Speaker 8>our problems of anti Semitism be better? Or will they

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<v Speaker 8>be worse?

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<v Speaker 2>Such good points. Now, I first raised concerns about this

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<v Speaker 2>issue in November last year, and then I reported I

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<v Speaker 2>revealed on this show that young men are being flown

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<v Speaker 2>into Australia who support the October seven attacks and who

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<v Speaker 2>sympathize with Harmas. Now James Patterson spoke about these revelations

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<v Speaker 2>today with Peter Stephfovic, and he said that security agencies

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<v Speaker 2>should at the very least do the research that we did.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>Your colleague Sharry marks And did a desktop social media

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<v Speaker 8>research on some of the applicants for visas as part

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<v Speaker 8>of that cohort, and she was able to identify people

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<v Speaker 8>who publicly support her mus if she can find them.

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<v Speaker 8>I assure you the intelligence function of the Home Affairs

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<v Speaker 8>Department and AZEO are more than capable of find them

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<v Speaker 8>if they're asked to do so. But it appears that

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<v Speaker 8>this government has not asked them to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's appalling. Now technically Australians who do support hermas a

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<v Speaker 2>listed terrorist organization could face prosecution, But the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>these laws aren't being used means support for terrorism is

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<v Speaker 2>becoming normalized, condoned, and even accepted at universities, on our

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<v Speaker 2>streets and in government agencies. It seems to me that

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<v Speaker 2>supporting her Maas is apparently not a problem for Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi or Penny or Tony Burke. It appears to me

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't care that they're bringing to Australia immigrants

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<v Speaker 2>who support bar baric terror attacks, especially at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when our social fabric is fragile and concerns about terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>are rising. It's sheer hypocrisy given Albinezi himself said that

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<v Speaker 2>social cohesion should be nourished, his word nourished. Mike Burgess

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<v Speaker 2>even admitted yesterday that it wasn't necessarily a problem if

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants supported terrorism.

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<v Speaker 6>If they've expressed any support or sympathy for Hamas, is that.

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<v Speaker 7>A problem depends on the what that looks like. If

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<v Speaker 7>they're supportive because they want their homeland, If they're giving

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<v Speaker 7>financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.

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<v Speaker 7>And obviously we take each case on its merits and

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<v Speaker 7>context of the information we have before us.

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<v Speaker 10>But if it's just rhetorical support.

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<v Speaker 7>If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have

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<v Speaker 7>an ideology or support for a violen Stree as an ideology,

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<v Speaker 7>then that's not a problem. If they have a support

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<v Speaker 7>for that idergy, that will be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty sad response given the extreme social disarray

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<v Speaker 2>that we're experiencing. It prompts it again this strong rebuke

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<v Speaker 2>from Patterson today.

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<v Speaker 8>Mike Gregis also said that it is possible that political

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<v Speaker 8>supporters or sympathizers of terrorist organizations like a mass could

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<v Speaker 8>be brought into Australia, that it wouldn't violate Australian law,

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<v Speaker 8>and in that he very accurately described the status quo

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<v Speaker 8>under the Alberenesi government.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>It is not the task of intelligence agency chiefs to

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<v Speaker 8>set policy. That is the task of politicians and governments.

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<v Speaker 8>And it seems clear under the Albernesi government's watch that

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<v Speaker 8>they have not asked the Department or our intelligence agencies

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<v Speaker 8>to make sure that there are no terrorist supporters or

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<v Speaker 8>sympathizers among the cohort of Palestinians being brought to Australia.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me be very clear, under a pedodata Dutton led

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<v Speaker 8>coalition government. The acceptable number of Hamas supporters to come

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<v Speaker 8>to Australia is zero, and we'll take whatever steps are

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<v Speaker 8>necess to make sure that that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course he's right. I mean that shouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>be controversial. The correct number of people who support her

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<v Speaker 2>Mus who enter our country should be zero. Our terror

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<v Speaker 2>threat level is rising. There's more than a fifty percent

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<v Speaker 2>chance of a terror attack in the next twelve months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet the Albanezy government is literally flying her Must sympathizers

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<v Speaker 2>into our country at taxpayers expense. It's lunacy, it's insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an inexplicable disregard for the safety of Australians. Germany

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<v Speaker 2>is booting out HERMAS supporters while Australia is flying them in.

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<v Speaker 2>It beggars belief. We need an immediate return to political

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<v Speaker 2>leadership that puts national security and social cohesion front and center.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is fast becoming unrecognizable under the Albanese government and

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<v Speaker 2>they just don't give a dam about our safety. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>to discuss this, let's bring in now Sky News host

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price and contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to you, Grow

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<v Speaker 2>Steve do you agree that this is lunacy and insanity?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure is. And look who's in charge now, Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the decision the Prime Minister took when

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<v Speaker 1>he reshuffled his front bench. And Tony Burke holds a

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<v Speaker 1>seat in Sydney which has a large Muslim population. He

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<v Speaker 1>does not want to upset that population because he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to retain that seat. So where was Tony Burke today

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<v Speaker 1>when James Patterson was out saying all the right things?

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<v Speaker 1>Where was Penny Wong? Where was the Prime Minister? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just crazy that we would bring these people here.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Tony Burke says, well, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>send them back under any circumstances, he won't change his

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<v Speaker 1>mind on that. And now that he said it, he

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<v Speaker 1>can't actually do it. So if Azio suddenly finds out

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<v Speaker 1>that one of these people that's come into the country

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<v Speaker 1>who checked before they landed, is now someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>vocally supportive of Hamas, what do we do with them?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do we arrest them and throw them into

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of detention. That should happen, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think this governor will do it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Joe, we couldn't have heard more times from the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister, from Penny Wong, from Clara O'Neil oh, all

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<v Speaker 2>the normal processes are being followed, and then we hear

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Burgess say, well, actually not all of them have

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<v Speaker 2>been sent to US for background checks in time, in time,

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<v Speaker 2>implying they're already here.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, obviously it would be extremely concerning if any of

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<v Speaker 6>the individuals who were given asylum did end up posing

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<v Speaker 6>a threat. I think the more I mean the problem

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<v Speaker 6>is you've got Hamas sympathizers that are already in Australia,

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<v Speaker 6>have been homegrown here, have got even less of an excuse.

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<v Speaker 6>We saw a great expose a of an academic in

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<v Speaker 6>The Australian who said that maybe her masks were just

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<v Speaker 6>like anti colonial freedom fighters. We've had student activists go exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's different if people have been brought up.

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<v Speaker 6>Was indoctrinate, Well, that's right, My point exactly is. My

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<v Speaker 6>point is if if you are brought up in Palestine

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<v Speaker 6>a level of propaganda and the way that the entire,

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<v Speaker 6>the entire society is built around, you know, despising Israel

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<v Speaker 6>and thinking Israeli is evil and wanting to take back

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<v Speaker 6>your homeland. You don't think HAMAS is a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the problem. People in the West have no excuse.

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<v Speaker 6>We can see and we know it's prescribed. People there

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<v Speaker 6>could very easily. And you know, you ang have to

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<v Speaker 6>look at the children's TV program that they put out

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<v Speaker 6>just depicting Jews in horrible ways. People there would have

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<v Speaker 6>been brainwashed into thinking Hamas were, you know, these heroic

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<v Speaker 6>freedom fighters. And indeed Hermas won elections. And this is

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<v Speaker 6>a security briefing I got from here a very Jewish,

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<v Speaker 6>very senior security advisor to I think it.

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<v Speaker 10>Was George W.

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<v Speaker 6>Bush who was saying that Hamas won these elections by

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<v Speaker 6>getting all these you know, local community leaders, young doctors,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the local pharmacist to run for election. We're

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<v Speaker 6>seen as this nice, touchy, feel like grassroots community and

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<v Speaker 6>we know that they're also double agents who opposing as

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<v Speaker 6>u N educators or u N workers at unwis. So

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<v Speaker 6>again it's it's very disturbing, but the important thing is

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<v Speaker 6>we expose the muscle what they are and these people

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<v Speaker 6>realize it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, let's turn to the dramas around Hurry,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Steve, Well, you've made the point before, the

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<v Speaker 2>neighboring Arab countries near Palestine are not taking these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we flying them all the way to the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the world when they live in Palestine. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in Gaza is horrible, but why won't people

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt? Why don't they go to Egypt or somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in their region not as far away from where they lived.

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<v Speaker 10>Bringing any of them here.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd believe they have links to Australia the people were

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<v Speaker 6>flying over, but certainly the other countries should be got

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<v Speaker 6>much anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Steve, potentially there are security concerns. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know there's not enough pressure put on Egypt either. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, let's to the drug.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember that these people remember showing that. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>found out on your program last week that they were

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<v Speaker 1>processing visas within an hour. How do you do a

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<v Speaker 1>security check on someone within an hour? That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just not possible. We've been reporting on the

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<v Speaker 2>security flaws for months now. I hope, strongly hope with

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<v Speaker 2>every fiber of my being that it doesn't lead to

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<v Speaker 2>an incident. But you know, we should be having our

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence agencies checking people before they come here. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>the most basic thing. Well, I would be happy to

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<v Speaker 2>have access to more intelligence, Joe than what's publicly available.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's turn to Rachel Gunn. Her shocking break dancing routine

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<v Speaker 2>scored zero Marx. This bizarre performance has now been mocked

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<v Speaker 2>and questioned by big names in the media and politics.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 9>I feel for Rey gun Oh so good.

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<v Speaker 11>I think isn't like huge though?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really need to feel for it?

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<v Speaker 8>What do you mean huge in what way?

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<v Speaker 9>Like an embarrassment and the joke of the world.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you because because it's all that

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<v Speaker 2>me and my friends have been talking about last night,

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<v Speaker 2>after the show and today, and I'm not saying anything.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it's taken out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the best thing that's happened in the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 12>See entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did anyone see the breakdancing lady?

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<v Speaker 6>It's all from the olympiss.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's overshadowed the number of medals that Australia won.

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<v Speaker 2>We're now a laughing stock and an embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 12>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sky News digital editor Jack Houghton wrote that Rachel Gunn's

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<v Speaker 2>university papers because she's an academic are just as bad

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<v Speaker 2>as her dancing. He writes on the Sky News website

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<v Speaker 2>that one of her papers is filled with this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of gibberish, including suggestions breakdancing was a space for those

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<v Speaker 2>who had been othered to express themselves and engage in

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<v Speaker 2>new hierarchies of respect. You should read his article because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a whole lot of woke nonsense. Joe, I think

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<v Speaker 2>many people have been saying this, but you know kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've got a five year old boy and he

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<v Speaker 2>often just no one teaches him how to dance, but

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<v Speaker 2>his natural breakdancing. Most mums will say this better than

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw from her.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just it was incredible, And Parnell McGuinness raised the

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<v Speaker 6>possibility which I've increasingly come to.

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<v Speaker 10>The view must be true, which it's all.

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<v Speaker 6>Just a massive troll, that this is a massive kind

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<v Speaker 6>of practical joke on the global scale.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like angry penguins.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all a hoax, and then she'll write a dissertation

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<v Speaker 6>about it, got through to the Olympics and just took

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<v Speaker 6>the piece out of the whole thing. But I had

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<v Speaker 6>much more sympathy for her before I read some of

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<v Speaker 6>her academic work, which is the worst kind of turgent sludge,

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<v Speaker 6>like it is what gives all of academia a terrible,

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<v Speaker 6>terrible brain. And then the claims that the criticism of

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<v Speaker 6>her was somehow misogyny or it was sexist, and I

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<v Speaker 6>just and now I'm kind of like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 6>now you deserve.

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<v Speaker 10>Everything you get.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was just absolutely it was so bad that

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<v Speaker 6>either it's a spoof or she takes herself so seriously

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<v Speaker 6>that it looks like a spoof.

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<v Speaker 2>But Steve, this isn't just Rachel Gunn's fault. Whoever's the

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<v Speaker 2>head of the Australian breakdancing team. They could have found

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<v Speaker 2>an eight year old who did a better job. Why

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<v Speaker 2>put her up for this sort of international failure and embarrassment?

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<v Speaker 2>The judges gave her a zero score, so clearly she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't objectively good by anyone's standard.

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<v Speaker 10>No, it was a great look.

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<v Speaker 1>Her work at university is a worse crime than the

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<v Speaker 1>breakdancing I think. But you're right, how did she ever

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<v Speaker 1>get how did she ever get to become an Olympian

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<v Speaker 1>and walk in the shoes of all of those brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>athletes that we sent there. I mean, the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sad about here is that the LA has dropped

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<v Speaker 1>breakdancing from its program, which will be really bad news

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<v Speaker 1>for Joe because I think breakdancing about the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>Joe could ever represent the country as an Olympian. It's

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<v Speaker 1>his chance has gone out the window.

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<v Speaker 10>I know it's Crauel.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't someone think of the forty eight year old white breakdancers.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, where's our time to shine?

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<v Speaker 12>You know?

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<v Speaker 10>The goodness appropriation?

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<v Speaker 6>Steve, I think that's that's my academic dissertation.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe tomorrow night will play some of the clips of

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<v Speaker 2>kids that the parents are posting online who have done

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<v Speaker 2>better jobs. Now the Australian's latest newspolt today, I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it a moment ago. Has the Abanzi government and the

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition neck and neck on the two party preferred result. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>the primary vote, the Coalition is at thirty nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>at this and Labor at thirty two percent. That's primary.

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<v Speaker 2>So Steve, with these results, Labor would still win and

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<v Speaker 2>only would you know, would only lose four seats. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't think that's an accurate reflection of voter sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, given the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>Crisis you're trying to trigger us. I mean, the worst

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<v Speaker 1>result in any election would be a minority labored government

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<v Speaker 1>where they then have to deal with whoever Teal survives,

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of them won't, but some will. They

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<v Speaker 1>say they won't deal with the Greens, but who would

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<v Speaker 1>know if it got desperate? Anthony Albaneze, you do anything

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<v Speaker 1>to hang on to his job, I would imagine. But

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine twenty twenty five living in Australia. It's

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<v Speaker 1>bad enough under the Albanze government now, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>jose Ah made of albos but I think he's a

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<v Speaker 1>weak Prime minister. But can you imagine living in a

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<v Speaker 1>country where it was being run by labor and they

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<v Speaker 1>had to cave into a whole lot of demands from

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<v Speaker 1>whatever Teal? I mean, I still have bad dreams about

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Gillard dealing with Bob Catter and Rob oakshot Tony Windsor.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it took two weeks and made us all

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<v Speaker 1>feel sooing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Joe, do you still think that Albanize is

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<v Speaker 2>going to win the next election.

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<v Speaker 10>I think it will be minority government.

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<v Speaker 6>I very much like Steve and I are in perfect

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<v Speaker 6>agreement that I very much wish that it was not

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<v Speaker 6>minority government.

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<v Speaker 10>I do not like minority governments. Will not deal with

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<v Speaker 10>the Greens.

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<v Speaker 6>There will be no coalitions say that now believe, and

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<v Speaker 6>there's no way mathematically that they will have to. They

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<v Speaker 6>don't want to deal with the Teals either.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want you. But if it's a choice between

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<v Speaker 2>retaining government and leasing.

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<v Speaker 6>It, there's a choice between the Greens and the Teals.

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<v Speaker 6>They would get to the Teals, but they'd have to

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<v Speaker 6>lose a lot more than four seats before they have

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<v Speaker 6>to deal with the Teals. So they only have to

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<v Speaker 6>get to seventy two seats and they can still deal

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<v Speaker 6>with another four independents to hold government without even touching

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<v Speaker 6>the Teals or the Greens. They're not going to touch

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<v Speaker 6>the Greens with a barge pole. You've heard what the

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<v Speaker 6>Prime Minister has said about them. He despises them. They

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<v Speaker 6>try to attack him and take his job at every

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<v Speaker 6>single election. In his own seat, they're barricading his office.

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<v Speaker 6>Even as we speak, they're condoning the worst kinds of

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<v Speaker 6>rhetoric about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes he's happy to attack the Greens.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, so Joe, you're telling us we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be run by Anthony Albanezi Catter, Andrew Wilkie and Jackie Lanby.

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<v Speaker 10>That'll be fun, and Rebecca Sharky possibly.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>No, obviously, no one wants that, least of all anyone

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<v Speaker 6>in labor.

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<v Speaker 10>They want a majority.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm just saying that it doesn't even if Lavor

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<v Speaker 6>goes into minority government, it doesn't mean they'll be for

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<v Speaker 6>the deals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if the polls get so bad, it'd be interested

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<v Speaker 2>to see if there's a push behind Tony Burke. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be fascinating.

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<v Speaker 10>I think we're adding a deal.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's been this low before, but I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think things can sink much lower, and I think they

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<v Speaker 6>will get better, especially as year companies people start looking

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<v Speaker 6>forward to an interest rate cart and the economy hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's very optimistic, Steve, because things are getting worse.

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<v Speaker 2>The IRBA governors just said we're not going to have

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<v Speaker 2>an interest rate cut at least in the next six months,

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<v Speaker 2>and the research shows that voters are starting now to

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<v Speaker 2>blame Albo. The attitudes are starting to harden, so it

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<v Speaker 2>could sink lower. What do you think do you think

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<v Speaker 2>there could be leadership colsibly?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, they could well.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know about a leadership change.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe, but cost living is getting worse and

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<v Speaker 1>worse and worse. I visited minine year old mother last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to work out on her power bill. When

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<v Speaker 1>she's getting the money that the federal government we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to roll out to all of us to get a

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper electricity. I couldn't work it out how she's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to work it out. And she's paying four hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter for electricity. He lives on her own in

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<v Speaker 1>a small house. I mean, it is really tough for

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<v Speaker 1>people out there. And look, I guess I suppose Joeanne Sharry,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd both agree this puts to bid. Any idea of

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<v Speaker 1>an election this year is just not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 10>I never thought that I have side. The whole time.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought it would be suicide. I thought it would

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<v Speaker 6>be insane. You wait until you get an interest rate

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<v Speaker 6>cut behind you and people are starting to feel more optimistic,

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<v Speaker 6>and then you go after that.

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<v Speaker 10>For a while it looked like we weren't going to

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<v Speaker 10>get that.

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<v Speaker 6>It now looks like there's going to be one in

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<v Speaker 6>the sort of the first quarter of next calendar year.

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<v Speaker 6>And I can guarantee there will be no leadership spill.

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<v Speaker 6>You can take that to the bank. That is absolute.

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<v Speaker 6>People might be trying to stoke that from the other side,

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<v Speaker 6>to try to bump it up, but there is absolutely

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<v Speaker 6>no way Labor would never do that again, I promise guaranteed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 10>I sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if the primary vote sinks lower, Tony Burke

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<v Speaker 2>is so ambitious he could mount an argument with his

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<v Speaker 2>supporters that, you know, the only chance they have to

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<v Speaker 2>hold onto government and to say.

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<v Speaker 10>That I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 6>Tony Burke is a very very capable minister, and he

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<v Speaker 6>is he is the minister for everything these days, and

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<v Speaker 6>he's the sort of mister fix it that you go

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<v Speaker 6>to when you want a problem solve. But even if

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<v Speaker 6>there is not, and then won't be. But the heir

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<v Speaker 6>apparent to Anthony Alberanezi is not Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 10>It is Jim Chalmer punt present.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Tony burke suggestion as Prime Minister is

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<v Speaker 2>utterly absurd, but this is what he thinks. He keeps

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<v Speaker 2>putting himself forward as the next PM. Anyway, we're out

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<v Speaker 2>of time, Steve Price talk soon, all right, Labor as

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<v Speaker 2>we've been speaking about is still in damage control. After

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<v Speaker 2>the IRBA confirmed that budget spending of both state and

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<v Speaker 2>federal governments was contributing to higher inflation. The PM denies

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<v Speaker 2>that his budget had anything to do with it. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in now Macro Business chief economist Leith van Nonstein. Leith,

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<v Speaker 2>great to see you. Look, there is this clear rift,

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<v Speaker 2>this divergence in views between the RBA and the government

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<v Speaker 2>on whether government spending, and it's not just federal its

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<v Speaker 2>state as well, is contributing to keeping inflation high. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that Albanesi government has any leg to stand

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<v Speaker 2>on when they disagree with the RBA?

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<v Speaker 13>No, I don't cherry look to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 13>I think both the federal government and the state governments

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<v Speaker 13>are working across purposes.

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<v Speaker 10>With the reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 13>So obviously the reserve banks trying to slow inflation through

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<v Speaker 13>high interest rates, and we have the federal government working

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<v Speaker 13>against that obviously with its very high immigration policy, which

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<v Speaker 13>they're running into a supply constrained market, and that's pushing

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<v Speaker 13>up obviously things like housing inflation and into inflation. Was

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<v Speaker 13>We've also got obviously energy policy alliures left right and center,

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<v Speaker 13>which is pushing up gas and electricity prices. That's adding

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<v Speaker 13>the cost of living and inflation across the economy. And

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<v Speaker 13>finally we've got their massive spending on things like the NDIS,

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<v Speaker 13>which is obviously adding demand in the economy. And then

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<v Speaker 13>we have the state governments which are doing their big

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<v Speaker 13>build infrastructure projects, often on white elephant sort of projects

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<v Speaker 13>like the suburban rail loop in Melbourne, and then that's

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<v Speaker 13>adding demand to the economy. So we've got basically a

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 13>burnout economy at the moment, where by the Reserve Bank's

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<v Speaker 13>got the foot on the brake with interest rates, and

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<v Speaker 13>all the governments have got the foot on the accelerator

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<v Speaker 13>working across purposes, and we really need them.

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<v Speaker 10>To work together.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also been this debate about the energy subsidies. Clearly

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<v Speaker 2>they do lower that component of the CPI. However, the

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<v Speaker 2>data shows that when they end that inflation ticks back

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<v Speaker 2>up again. So are you one of those economists who

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<v Speaker 2>thinks this is a trick or do you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>really smart policy.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, it's a band aid to be quite frank.

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<v Speaker 13>So basically the subseason on energy and rents for that matter,

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<v Speaker 13>basically trying to paper over the cracks of the government's

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<v Speaker 13>own failed policy. So if you look at energy, for example,

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<v Speaker 13>the East Coast Australia is one of the biggest gas

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<v Speaker 13>exporters in the world, but we're the only region in

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<v Speaker 13>the world that doesn't have a gas reservation scheme and

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<v Speaker 13>as a result, we pay some of the highest gas

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<v Speaker 13>prices in the world and then that.

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<v Speaker 10>Pushes u up electricity. And instead of addressing that.

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<v Speaker 13>Problem at the source by implementing a domestic reservation scheme

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<v Speaker 13>like we have in Western Australia, the federal government instead

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<v Speaker 13>wants to spend our money to try and alleviate the

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 13>cost pressures, and they're doing that also with the rental market.

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<v Speaker 13>Instead of cutting inflation cutting immigration hard, which they should be,

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<v Speaker 13>they're instead handing out subsidies. So it's really just a

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<v Speaker 13>statistical trick and it's not fixing the underlying problems.

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<v Speaker 2>How are we comparing in the inflation fight to other

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<v Speaker 2>countries around the world at the moment, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 13>We're certainly running behind the other country. So you know,

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<v Speaker 13>if you look at say Canada or New Zealand for example,

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<v Speaker 13>their inflation is coming down fast than us. We're lagging them.

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<v Speaker 13>So unfortunately, we do have domestically driven inflation. And again

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<v Speaker 13>some of that gets back to the federal government with

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<v Speaker 13>its excessive immigration, energy policy failures, spending etc.

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<v Speaker 10>And the state governments.

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<v Speaker 2>An Onsen, thank you very much for your analysis tonight

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<v Speaker 2>now still to come. Why Albo is being called the

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<v Speaker 2>Raygun of Australian politics. He looks snazzy in a suit

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<v Speaker 2>but can't nail the routine on the big stage. Plus

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<v Speaker 2>former ABC chair Morris Newman will be on live after.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Williams lashes coverage against the broadcaster, despite him criticizing

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC repeatedly in his own book That's All Coming

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<v Speaker 2>Up After the Break, Welcome Back Well. ABC chair Kim

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<v Speaker 2>Williams has claimed that news Core Power Company has an

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<v Speaker 2>obsession with the public broadcaster, saying the coverage is unbalanced

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<v Speaker 2>and at times fairly unhinged. He says it should be ignored.

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<v Speaker 2>He also went on to say that the ABC has

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<v Speaker 2>an obligation to be a reliable broadcaster for the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>He says we are the last broadcaster standing because there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people in Australia who don't have money. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is despite the fact that Kim Williams himself was

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<v Speaker 2>highly critical of the ABC in his twenty fourteen book,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems his tune has changed since taking on the

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<v Speaker 2>role of chair. Well, I'm Joe now by former ABC

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<v Speaker 2>chairman Maurice Newman Marris, thank you very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 9>Lovely to be with you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Among the many things that Kim Williams said in

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<v Speaker 2>his twenty fourteen book, he absolutely smashed the ABC. He

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<v Speaker 2>said it was guilty of pompous twaddle. He said it

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't break news or not enough news. He accused it

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<v Speaker 2>of vainglorious behavior, and he said he begs to differ,

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<v Speaker 2>and he completely smashed it. He couldn't have used harsher words.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet here he is now ABC chair doesn't have a

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 2>harsh word to say, and criticizing NewsCorp for daring to

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<v Speaker 2>hold the part broadcaster to account despite the fact it's

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<v Speaker 2>funded by the taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, which is the real? Who is the real

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<v Speaker 9>Kim Williams?

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, I would suggest that probably in the book

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<v Speaker 14>is what he really thinks. But he seems to have

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<v Speaker 14>been captured since he's been there. I mean, when his

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<v Speaker 14>position was announced, I wished him all the best and

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<v Speaker 14>hope that he's able to succeed but I know what

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<v Speaker 14>it's like having been there, that ultimately they either wait

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<v Speaker 14>you out or try to capture you.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that Ida.

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<v Speaker 14>Buttros has had a couple of comments since she left

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<v Speaker 14>which had been critical of the ABC.

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<v Speaker 9>But none of that was apparent when she was there.

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<v Speaker 14>I was critical of the ABC, and from that moment

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<v Speaker 14>on I was canceled. I gave a speech to the

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<v Speaker 14>two hundred most senior people in the ABC. I was

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<v Speaker 14>told that what I had said, which was that they

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<v Speaker 14>should be more curious, they needed to be more independent

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<v Speaker 14>than they needed to be more considerate of the charter,

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<v Speaker 14>that when I made those comments, I was essentially remember

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<v Speaker 14>speaker after me was told that the audience was too

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<v Speaker 14>angry after what I had said to concentrate on the

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<v Speaker 14>subsequent speaker. So you know, it is a collective, it's

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 14>self serving, it's inward looking, and I wish Kim William's

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 14>luck even now, but I think he's going to find

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 14>it increasingly difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the issue is that it ignores certain stories

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<v Speaker 2>or problems in society, it focuses on others. It has

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 2>a bias in many different areas, even though it is

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<v Speaker 2>funded by the taxpayer. One point one billion dollars a year.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you try and change apart from the speech,

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<v Speaker 2>What did you try and change when you were there?

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<v Speaker 2>And was it virtually impossible?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it is impossible, Althos.

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<v Speaker 14>I found it impossible, and I certainly put some effort

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<v Speaker 14>into it. I mean I remember that night, after I

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<v Speaker 14>had given my speech to those two hundred most senior people.

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<v Speaker 9>Remember that Mark Scott, who was in the.

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<v Speaker 14>Chief executive, issued a statement which was read out on

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<v Speaker 14>late line by Tony Jones, saying that he had complete

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<v Speaker 14>confidence in the staff and the journalists at the ABC.

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 14>So essentially threw the chairman under the bus. And I

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<v Speaker 14>knew from that moment on where I stood and where

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 14>the ABC stood, and the train never the twain met.

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<v Speaker 14>So we did have a committee which came up with

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<v Speaker 14>new editorial policies. But it's like the Soviet Union's constitution.

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<v Speaker 14>It was the freest in the world. But if you

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<v Speaker 14>don't practice, it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Good analogy. And now, of course Mark Scott's over at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Sydney again failing in his leadership. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so fascinating. We've been very critical of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that the public broadcast at hasn't all covered

0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the antisemitism crisis. It hasn't cared about anti Semitism until today,

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Maurice Newman, the ABC sees fit to only care about

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism when they're publishing messages sent by a Channel

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<v Speaker 2>seven executive to another producer. This is their revelation today

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<v Speaker 2>on the website. They claim that those messages are anti Semitic,

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<v Speaker 2>even though the producer who sent them, Mark Llewellyn, is

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<v Speaker 2>known to strongly support Israel. This is a story I

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>looked at personally a few months ago. I knew about

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>the messages. I had the messages, but I dismissed it

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.919
<v Speaker 2>as a story because yes they're off color messages, Yes

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>they're offensive, but they're not anti Semitic. And if the

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 2>ABC cared about anti Semitism, well there's a lot of

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>issues they could look at that are actually a lot

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>closer to home.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, we always see our own faults magnified in others,

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<v Speaker 14>and I suspect that's probably what they're seeing in the

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<v Speaker 14>Channel seven report.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the ABC's coverage overall has been far from

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>friendly to the Jewish community or to Israel. That's for sure,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Morris Human really appreciate your time and insights.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Enjoy having you on the show

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>as always. Now still to come, Albin Easy, the Reagan

0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of the Australia One commentators hilarious and devastating critice. Plus

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the political polls are bad for Albow, but isn't bad

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 2>enough that he'll be a one term prime minister. I'll

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 2>discuss this with my political panel Cameron Milner and Holly

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Hughes after this quick break. Welcome back well. Another terrific

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>piece by editor Christopher Dare in The Nightly this Evening

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<v Speaker 2>where he calls Anthony Alberizi the Raygun of politics door

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<v Speaker 2>rights that Albanezi pulled out all the right moves to

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>get the call up for national duty. Looks pretty snazzy

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 2>in the green and gold tracksuit, but can't quite nail

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the routine on the big stage. Our iconic Big Girl

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>is all bunny ears, kangaroo hops and body drops. DJ

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Albow is all talk, labor chops and policy flops. On

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>that note, let's bring in tonight's political panel former Chief

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>of Staff to Bill Shotton, Karon Milner and Liberal Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Holly Hughes. Welcome to you both is this a fair comparison.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I always like reading Chris Stor, but yes, I

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 15>think it is. I mean, you know, at the end

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 15>of the day, just because you're representing Australia, it doesn't

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.880
<v Speaker 15>mean you're actually up to the job. I mean, Raygun

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 15>was a disgrace. I mean Meghan Davis said that today

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:17.279
<v Speaker 15>in her in her tweet, and I think Albo is

0:36:17.320 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 15>getting found out by the Electric as well as not

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 15>being up to the job. So no, it's just because

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.279
<v Speaker 15>you've described as Australian representatives doesn't mean necessarily up for

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 15>the job.

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<v Speaker 16>Holly, what do you think, Well, I don't know if

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 16>he's breakdancing, but he's certainly performing significant acrobatic moves at

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.879
<v Speaker 16>the moment, particularly when you look at the way he's

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 16>trying to misinterpret what the RBA is saying when it

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 16>comes to this government spending and the direct links that

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 16>it has with the inflation that we're experiencing, and the

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<v Speaker 16>RBA saying that it is because of the government spending

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<v Speaker 16>that we're going to experience higher interest rates for longer,

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<v Speaker 16>and yet any time that mister Aveneese has questioned on this,

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<v Speaker 16>he just flood out denies that's what they've said it's

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<v Speaker 16>just extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not a fan of.

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<v Speaker 16>The ray gun either.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's incredibly.

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<v Speaker 16>Embarrassing and I actually feel sorry for our athletes who

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<v Speaker 16>did perform incredibly well that they've been overshadowed. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 16>is talking about some of the other performances exactly. I

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<v Speaker 16>want to say Jess Hull, and I might be wrong,

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<v Speaker 16>but who won the silver medal on the track and

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<v Speaker 16>the last second last night? You know, there was some

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<v Speaker 16>incredible efforts by Australian athletes that have been overshadowed by

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<v Speaker 16>this complete embarrassment that looked like a Kath and Kim

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<v Speaker 16>mock up in an Aussie tracksuit.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. It's such a pity that it's distracted from

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Australia did so well. I mean, for

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<v Speaker 2>a while it looked like we were going to come

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<v Speaker 2>in third on the metal tally just slipped into fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is all anyone's talking about now and well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanezi government today introduced legislation to tackle the CFMEU

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<v Speaker 2>have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>The government has rushed in new laws to clean up

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<v Speaker 11>the embattled CFM. You new Minister Murray Watt wants to

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<v Speaker 11>appoint an administrator for the construction divisions of the union

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<v Speaker 11>after shocking allegations of criminal misconduct. Fines and jail time

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<v Speaker 11>would be imposed for union officials who refused to comply.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was Trudy McIntosh there with that report. Cameron,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think an administrator given sweeping powers under the

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<v Speaker 2>legislation goes far enough to tackle this?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, let me say, I think the legislation is premature.

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 15>I think it's traconian, and I think, quite frankly, it's thuggish.

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<v Speaker 15>We've actually got a federal court process where the Fairwork

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<v Speaker 15>Commission's actually testing the evidence, testing the allegation shari as

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<v Speaker 15>they should. And yet you have a politician stepping into

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<v Speaker 15>the Brits into the midst of this. Albow is seen

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<v Speaker 15>as so weak. He's so desperate to be seen as

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<v Speaker 15>a tough guy. He wants to be now a union buster.

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<v Speaker 15>I think this legislation might be needed at the end

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<v Speaker 15>of a long process, the way Bob Hawk did with

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<v Speaker 15>the BLF. It was a royal commission in two years

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<v Speaker 15>of investigations, and Bob hawks it up and said this

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<v Speaker 15>is now necessary. Albert's done none of that, none of

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<v Speaker 15>that's been justified. Leave it to the police to investigate

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<v Speaker 15>criminal matters, leave it to the Fair Work Commission to

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<v Speaker 15>actually run the case in the Federal Court. I don't

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<v Speaker 15>think Palmer's got a role in this. Think Parliament should

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<v Speaker 15>be there to make the laws. Courts there should be

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<v Speaker 15>there to interpret them. And I think Murray what Aalbo

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<v Speaker 15>have overstepped their mark completely with this legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting holy the coalitions are posing it, but for completely

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<v Speaker 2>opposite reasons, well.

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<v Speaker 16>Not really opposing it for opposite reasons. I think Cameron

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<v Speaker 16>is spot on when he talks about the need for

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<v Speaker 16>a Royal commission and a proper investigation into this. Albo

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<v Speaker 16>would love to think that he is Bob Karnate, Bob

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<v Speaker 16>Hawk reincarnated, but in fact he's an absolute poor cousin

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<v Speaker 16>three times removed. He is nothing like Bob Hawk and

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<v Speaker 16>what he did around the BLF when he registered it

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<v Speaker 16>it is absolutely disgraceful. I mean, we've been maybe where

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<v Speaker 16>Cameron and I won't agree. We've been on the NDAs

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<v Speaker 16>all day today and legislation that was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 16>passed six weeks ago has had eighteen amendments brought by

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<v Speaker 16>the government today. And this is why scrutiny of this

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<v Speaker 16>legislation or any legislation is important, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 16>they're just trying to jam this through in a bid

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<v Speaker 16>and it's not about policy, it's not about legislation, it's

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<v Speaker 16>not about substance. It's all about the politics. Cameron's right

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<v Speaker 16>when he says it's Murray Ward trying to.

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<v Speaker 10>Provide it's a factional alo to.

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<v Speaker 2>Look go ahead, Cameron explain that.

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<v Speaker 16>Boosts albos power in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 15>How actually, don't Holly, they does she don't support albow albow.

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<v Speaker 2>They're with the right, he's the left.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, yeah, that's right, and the other lot. John said

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<v Speaker 15>this is just a factional hit job at the point

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<v Speaker 15>of convenience for Albo to try to look like a

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<v Speaker 15>tough guy when he's actually looking so weak on so

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<v Speaker 15>many other issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Holly Cameron, I think it's fascinating that no one has

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about this, that you're the first person to actually

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<v Speaker 2>point this out that in a way this is cementing

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<v Speaker 2>Albanese's power base. Cameron Milner, Well, that's right.

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<v Speaker 15>And I actually went back to the ninety and eighty

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<v Speaker 15>five type Britain speech the Bob Haulk gave to the

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<v Speaker 15>Parliament where he stepped out like a proper lawyer. Every

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<v Speaker 15>single reason why they b left needed to be deregistered,

0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 15>including the fact that Norm Gallagher have been found guilty

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<v Speaker 15>and gone to jail for corruption.

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<v Speaker 10>None of that's the case.

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<v Speaker 15>And we've actually got a process, a fair work commission

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<v Speaker 15>process that's independent Chari independent. Albow's factional politics and he

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.919
<v Speaker 15>doesn't want that. He wants to ran through legislation, jam

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<v Speaker 15>it through the Senate. I think this, as I said,

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<v Speaker 15>is highly premature and actually subverts the process of the

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<v Speaker 15>independent courts in this land.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is, of course the CFMEU is thaigish.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it does appear that they've been involved in

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<v Speaker 2>criminal conduct, so I don't think they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>too many defenders. It's just interesting that, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>is also a factional issue.

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<v Speaker 15>But Shari, not even John Hown and Peter Reith de

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<v Speaker 15>registered the MUA in the middle of the waterfront dispute.

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<v Speaker 10>This is union.

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<v Speaker 15>Busting legislation from the Parliament. Let's call it for what

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<v Speaker 15>it is, a union busting legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Camera Milner, Holly Hughes, great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you both tonight. Now up next, Donald Trump's campaign accuses

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<v Speaker 2>he ran of hacking their internal messages and how did

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<v Speaker 2>leak documents end up in the inbox of a media outlet?

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<v Speaker 2>Plus the dangerous crackdown on free speech in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>Koshagada will break all of this down after this quick break. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's have a look now at this ominous threat from

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<v Speaker 2>the UK Crown prosecution servers to free speech. They've worn

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 2>citizens to think before they post. This does appear to

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<v Speaker 2>be a major attack on free speech, with comedian Rowan

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Atkinson among those speaking out against it. Let's bringing our

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<v Speaker 2>Stein News contributor Koshagada to discuss this. Kosh, You're good

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 2>to see you again. Look how serious is this and

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<v Speaker 2>how concerning is this? Censorship of free speech in the UK?

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<v Speaker 17>Concerning very chilling, some would say. And George Orwell was

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<v Speaker 17>English and he wrote about a version of this in

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<v Speaker 17>nineteen eighty four, and some would say he was very prescient. It's,

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<v Speaker 17>you know, quite remarkable how countries in the West, starting

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<v Speaker 17>with the UK and you know many the US, Australia others,

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:21.799
<v Speaker 17>have come out of that freedom basically philosophy that you know,

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 17>they came into after six thousand years of human experiments.

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<v Speaker 17>It was sort of the best system that's come out

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<v Speaker 17>of England and most of the countries and around it.

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<v Speaker 17>To see this happening there is quite stunning. I think,

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<v Speaker 17>you know. The reason is the upstream problem over here

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 17>is the level and quantum and speed of immigration that

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.480
<v Speaker 17>has been allowed into the country, coupled with poor and

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 17>unequal application of the law that has led to this

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 17>pressure cooker environment which at any time can explode as

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 17>it did because of those atrocious stabbings. It's really hard

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 17>to unscramble the egg of immigration policy and law and

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.279
<v Speaker 17>order policy, and so the easier thing to do is

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<v Speaker 17>to try and put a lid on the pressure cooker

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 17>in the form of censorship and infringement on civil libers.

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<v Speaker 17>And so I think it's unfortunately a predictable consequence, but

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<v Speaker 17>it really is quite stunning when you see it in

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 17>a country like the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>It truly is. We're going to continue to cover this

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<v Speaker 2>topic throughout my shows this week. For now, Kocher, let's

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>have a look at the US left wing media outlets

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>are trying to defend Kamala Harris since she's gone to ground.

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<v Speaker 2>As we know, she's refused to give a press conference

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<v Speaker 2>or a serious sit down interview. MSNBC's Michael Steele defended it.

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<v Speaker 12>Have a look what has struck me since Donald Trump's

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 12>press conference is sort of the sort of high brow

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<v Speaker 12>nature of the press coming at Kamala Harris saying.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, she, in my view, whining that.

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<v Speaker 18>She hasn't she doesn't talk to us, she hasn't done

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<v Speaker 18>a sit down with us, she hasn't done interviews with

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.319
<v Speaker 18>us right now, is there a real need for her

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<v Speaker 18>to sort of, you know, get the impromata of the

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:53.320
<v Speaker 18>press on her campaign.

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a serious issue of presidential nominee

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 2>surely needs to be open for scrutiny, especially when she

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:07.359
<v Speaker 2>missed all the debates.

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<v Speaker 17>So true, it's very frustrating for citizens, for voters that

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<v Speaker 17>are trying to ascertain how to cast their vote and

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 17>who stands for what they stand for and who is

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 17>going to set the country on the right direction. But

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 17>if that's the question being asked, absolutely, it's very frustrating.

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 17>I think where Michael Steele is right, as much as

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 17>we hate to say it is if the question is

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<v Speaker 17>what does it take for a candidate like Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 17>to win this race and run out the cloth with

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<v Speaker 17>eighty days left to go, and the circumstances under which

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 17>she arrived in the position of being the nominee, then

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 17>some would say, actually, this is exactly the correct, correct

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 17>strategy for her. The question remains, eighty days is a

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 17>lifetime in politics, and will that frustration from the press,

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 17>as favorable as they are to her, get to a

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:50.879
<v Speaker 17>point where it makes them look very foolish and they're

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 17>going to force it, or will Team Trump be able

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 17>to somehow force her into an unscripted moment with a

0:45:55.520 --> 0:45:57.920
<v Speaker 17>debate or something like that. Other than that, I think

0:45:57.920 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 17>this is very clear that this is her strategy and

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 17>she's going to continue running with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Indeed, Now let's have a look at the claims

0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>by the Donald Trump campaign team that they've been hacked

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 2>by Iran. This came after Politico received campaign documents via

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 2>an anonymous email. This included a dossia on JD Vance

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 2>now Ko. A Trump campaign spokesman, said the documents were

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>illegally obtained by foreign sources hostile to the US. Iran

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 2>has denied responsibility. That's neither here nor there. Do you think, though,

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<v Speaker 2>that there is credible reason for the Trump campaign to

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:38.759
<v Speaker 2>suspect that Iran might have been behind this leak. You know,

0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 2>it's possible.

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<v Speaker 17>There are many, many opponents to the Trump campaign, and

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 17>it's kind of remarkable how many battlefronts he has to

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<v Speaker 17>fight on, both with domestic institutions that are against him

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 17>as well as foreign But I think it's been widely

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 17>held view ever since he entered the political arena that

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 17>a lot of these countries, be it Iran, be it China,

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 17>be it whoever, they are less inclined to be supportive

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 17>of a Trump presidency because he's on predictable, he's a

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 17>bit brash, he is very America first, and that may

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 17>or may not align with somebody certainly like Iran, but

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.560
<v Speaker 17>even other countries, whereas the other side seems to be

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 17>a little bit more controlled or controllable. So I think

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 17>it's not outside the realm of possibility.

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 17>I think this has been stitched together from a statement

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 17>Microsoft put out there suggesting Iran was a bad actor

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 17>and something like this a couple of months ago, and

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 17>then US security sources are also confirming it certainly a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you think the polls are now telling

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 2>us about Kamala Harris v. Trump, and given the polls

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>are showing that she has a chance at winning, was

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the move to replace Biden with her a good one?

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 17>It would seem that way for now where she you know,

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:48.160
<v Speaker 17>number one definitely stemmed the tide of the cratering that

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 17>was happening with Biden after that disastrous debate. So that

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 17>was one issue where diehard Democrats were even abandoning him.

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 17>They have come back home, So I would say that's

0:47:56.760 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 17>a tick in her column. The second thing about the

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 17>the battleground states, the swing states, it certainly seems like

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 17>it's tightening. There is momentum for her, but it's still

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 17>I think the jury is out on how this is

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 17>going to go. It's going to be super close, but

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 17>for now it's certainly better than the alternative, which was

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 17>Biden in their case.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Kosha Dada, thank you so much for your time,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why I've got time for tonight. I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari