Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry Good Evening.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show tonight. The shocking admission from Australia's
Speaker 2: top spy agency that they haven't done security checks on
Speaker 2: all Palestinians arriving in Australia straight from the war zone.
Speaker 2: This could put lives at risk. Labour's massive security blunder
Speaker 2: coming up. Plus Peter Dutton launchers a scathing attack on
Speaker 2: Albanezi over the cost of living, even yelling at the
Speaker 2: Treasurer to resign. And why Albanesi has been dubbed the
Speaker 2: Raygun of Australian politics. He's playing the part of PM,
Speaker 2: but can't quite nail the routine on the big stage.
Speaker 2: We unpack that with my political panel later on, But first,
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton today seized on the IBA's devastating critique that
Speaker 2: its spending was keeping inflation high. It comes as numerous
Speaker 2: polls show that voters are starting to blame the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister over the cost of living crisis. In Question Time today,
Speaker 2: Dutton launched a political attack over the economy on the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister has broken promises to cut electricity bills,
Speaker 3: to provide cheaper mortgages and to ensure that families will
Speaker 3: be better off on the cost of living. The price
Speaker 3: of electricity is now up by twenty two percent, We've
Speaker 3: endured twelve mortgage rate hikes, and the prices for food
Speaker 3: and groceries are up more than eleven percent. Is it
Speaker 3: clear to austrage this government has lost its way because
Speaker 3: of this Prime Minister's lack of economic management and experience
Speaker 3: and general incompetence.
Speaker 4: Past week, the RBA said, quote, public demand is forecast
Speaker 4: to be stronger than previously expected, reflecting recent public spending
Speaker 4: announcements by federal and state and territory governments end quote.
Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister dismissed this, claiming that's not what
Speaker 4: they've said. Why is this prime minister in denial that
Speaker 4: Labour's spending is causing homegrown in and keeping interest rates
Speaker 4: higher for longer?
Speaker 2: Well? In Parliament today, the Prime Minister once again refused
Speaker 2: to concede that his government spending was contributing to inflation.
Speaker 2: I reported last week secret Liberal research that showed voter
Speaker 2: sentiment was hardening against alban Easy over the cost of living.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Polling in the media today bore that out. The Herald's
Speaker 2: Resolve poll reported that voters have marked Labor over its
Speaker 2: handling of the nation's finances, and The Herald reported that
Speaker 2: voters strongly favored Dutton and the coalition when asked to
Speaker 2: choose the leader and party they believed would do a
Speaker 2: better job managing the nation's finances. Forty one percent shows
Speaker 2: the opposition. Only twenty three percent chose alban Easy and Labor,
Speaker 2: and then news poll in the OZ showed the coalition's
Speaker 2: primary vote is now at thirty nine percent, with Labour
Speaker 2: at thirty two percent. The two party preferred result was
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. Simon Benson reports that support for Labor
Speaker 2: at under a third of the electorate, is now below
Speaker 2: it's May twenty two election result and would suggest there
Speaker 2: is little prospector of Albanesi calling an early election for
Speaker 2: this year. But on these results, Labour would only lose
Speaker 2: four seats and would still retain government. That's if those
Speaker 2: results are accurate. Momentum is clearly in Peter Dutton's favor
Speaker 2: and the continued cost of living pressures will cement voted
Speaker 2: disappointment in Albanesi, who repeatedly promised before the last election
Speaker 2: to bring down the cost of living.
Speaker 5: A plan to address cost of living, take pressure off
Speaker 5: cost of living, pressure off the cost of living, the
Speaker 5: cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, relief
Speaker 5: downward pressure on cost of living.
Speaker 2: So for all the go and spending designed to both
Speaker 2: ease pressures and win votes, there's been no political dividend,
Speaker 2: no vote of thanks from Australians who can recognize the
Speaker 2: broken promise when they see one well. Germany is passing
Speaker 2: laws to deport HUMAS supporters in a tough yet sensible approach,
Speaker 2: Yet the Albinezi government is doing the precise opposite. They're
Speaker 2: bringing people into Australia who may support Jimas, and security
Speaker 2: agencies aren't being given an opportunity to do background checks.
Speaker 2: That utterly breathtaking revelation from Asioboss Mike Burgess yesterday.
Speaker 6: Do they pose a security threat?
Speaker 7: So for all immigration, including when you're balancing humanitarian needs,
Speaker 7: security checks are critically important. There are process in place,
Speaker 7: and I can assure your audience that when things get
Speaker 7: referred to asier we deal with them a fe actively.
Speaker 7: Of course, there might be times when they didn't get
Speaker 7: referred to us in time. Once we become aware of them,
Speaker 7: we're able to do the assessments and deal with them effectively.
Speaker 2: So, Mike Burgess, they're admitting not all of the Palestinian
Speaker 2: visas were being sent to ASIO for background checks. It's
Speaker 2: quite the revelation. He said very clearly. There might be
Speaker 2: times when they didn't get referred to ASIO in time.
Speaker 2: Now that's putting the Albanezy government on notice should there
Speaker 2: be an attack. Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson was
Speaker 2: outraged about the lack of security checks today.
Speaker 8: I was astonished by the revelation that it does not
Speaker 8: appear that every single person coming out of a war
Speaker 8: zone controlled by a terrorist organization is not being referred
Speaker 8: to as for a security assessment. Of course, every single
Speaker 8: one of those people should be referred and on top
Speaker 8: of that, the Department of Home Affairs and the officials
Speaker 8: reviewing those visa applications should be using the character provisions
Speaker 8: of the migration to reject the application of anyone who
Speaker 8: is a supporter of a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: So what happens then when these Palestinians who pose national
Speaker 2: security concerns, if they do are already in Australia. Tony
Speaker 2: Burke has said that no one will be sent back
Speaker 2: to Gaza He says, no government in its right mind
Speaker 2: would send people back to Gaza, and he's indicating that
Speaker 2: they will stay in Australia permanently. This is despite Anthony
Speaker 2: Alberzi promising voters that the visas will only temporary. It
Speaker 2: shows how comfortable Albanesi is blatantly lying to Australians. Now,
Speaker 2: this is an extremely serious issue. Her must supporters being
Speaker 2: flown into Australia from the front line of Gaza at
Speaker 2: taxpayer expense. By the way, could threaten our national security
Speaker 2: and our safety in a dangerous way. James Patterson today
Speaker 2: asked what sort of Australia we act we want to
Speaker 2: live in?
Speaker 8: Hamass a listed terrorist organization. It has political objectives which
Speaker 8: it believes should be achieved through violence, and anybody who
Speaker 8: supports using violent means to achieve political objectives is not
Speaker 8: welcome in Australia and should not come to Australia. But
Speaker 8: if you support using attacks like the seventh October, which
Speaker 8: killed the largest number of Jews since the end of
Speaker 8: the Holocaust twelve hundred people on one day and kidnapped
Speaker 8: hundreds more, then I don't think you should come to
Speaker 8: this country. I mean we should ask ourselves. Will our
Speaker 8: country be stronger if we bring hamas supporters in? Will
Speaker 8: we be more united? Will we be more cohesive? Will
Speaker 8: our problems of anti Semitism be better? Or will they
Speaker 8: be worse?
Speaker 2: Such good points. Now, I first raised concerns about this
Speaker 2: issue in November last year, and then I reported I
Speaker 2: revealed on this show that young men are being flown
Speaker 2: into Australia who support the October seven attacks and who
Speaker 2: sympathize with Harmas. Now James Patterson spoke about these revelations
Speaker 2: today with Peter Stephfovic, and he said that security agencies
Speaker 2: should at the very least do the research that we did.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: Your colleague Sharry marks And did a desktop social media
Speaker 8: research on some of the applicants for visas as part
Speaker 8: of that cohort, and she was able to identify people
Speaker 8: who publicly support her mus if she can find them.
Speaker 8: I assure you the intelligence function of the Home Affairs
Speaker 8: Department and AZEO are more than capable of find them
Speaker 8: if they're asked to do so. But it appears that
Speaker 8: this government has not asked them to do so.
Speaker 2: It's appalling. Now technically Australians who do support hermas a
Speaker 2: listed terrorist organization could face prosecution, But the fact that
Speaker 2: these laws aren't being used means support for terrorism is
Speaker 2: becoming normalized, condoned, and even accepted at universities, on our
Speaker 2: streets and in government agencies. It seems to me that
Speaker 2: supporting her Maas is apparently not a problem for Anthony
Speaker 2: Albanesi or Penny or Tony Burke. It appears to me
Speaker 2: that they don't care that they're bringing to Australia immigrants
Speaker 2: who support bar baric terror attacks, especially at a time
Speaker 2: when our social fabric is fragile and concerns about terrorism
Speaker 2: are rising. It's sheer hypocrisy given Albinezi himself said that
Speaker 2: social cohesion should be nourished, his word nourished. Mike Burgess
Speaker 2: even admitted yesterday that it wasn't necessarily a problem if
Speaker 2: immigrants supported terrorism.
Speaker 6: If they've expressed any support or sympathy for Hamas, is that.
Speaker 7: A problem depends on the what that looks like. If
Speaker 7: they're supportive because they want their homeland, If they're giving
Speaker 7: financial support or material aid, that can be a problem.
Speaker 7: And obviously we take each case on its merits and
Speaker 7: context of the information we have before us.
Speaker 10: But if it's just rhetorical support.
Speaker 7: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
Speaker 7: an ideology or support for a violen Stree as an ideology,
Speaker 7: then that's not a problem. If they have a support
Speaker 7: for that idergy, that will be a problem.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty sad response given the extreme social disarray
Speaker 2: that we're experiencing. It prompts it again this strong rebuke
Speaker 2: from Patterson today.
Speaker 8: Mike Gregis also said that it is possible that political
Speaker 8: supporters or sympathizers of terrorist organizations like a mass could
Speaker 8: be brought into Australia, that it wouldn't violate Australian law,
Speaker 8: and in that he very accurately described the status quo
Speaker 8: under the Alberenesi government.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 8: It is not the task of intelligence agency chiefs to
Speaker 8: set policy. That is the task of politicians and governments.
Speaker 8: And it seems clear under the Albernesi government's watch that
Speaker 8: they have not asked the Department or our intelligence agencies
Speaker 8: to make sure that there are no terrorist supporters or
Speaker 8: sympathizers among the cohort of Palestinians being brought to Australia.
Speaker 8: Let me be very clear, under a pedodata Dutton led
Speaker 8: coalition government. The acceptable number of Hamas supporters to come
Speaker 8: to Australia is zero, and we'll take whatever steps are
Speaker 8: necess to make sure that that's the case.
Speaker 2: And of course he's right. I mean that shouldn't even
Speaker 2: be controversial. The correct number of people who support her
Speaker 2: Mus who enter our country should be zero. Our terror
Speaker 2: threat level is rising. There's more than a fifty percent
Speaker 2: chance of a terror attack in the next twelve months.
Speaker 2: Yet the Albanezy government is literally flying her Must sympathizers
Speaker 2: into our country at taxpayers expense. It's lunacy, it's insanity.
Speaker 2: It's an inexplicable disregard for the safety of Australians. Germany
Speaker 2: is booting out HERMAS supporters while Australia is flying them in.
Speaker 2: It beggars belief. We need an immediate return to political
Speaker 2: leadership that puts national security and social cohesion front and center.
Speaker 2: Australia is fast becoming unrecognizable under the Albanese government and
Speaker 2: they just don't give a dam about our safety. All right,
Speaker 2: to discuss this, let's bring in now Sky News host
Speaker 2: Steve Price and contributor Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to you, Grow
Speaker 2: Steve do you agree that this is lunacy and insanity?
Speaker 1: Sure is. And look who's in charge now, Tony Burke.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the decision the Prime Minister took when
Speaker 1: he reshuffled his front bench. And Tony Burke holds a
Speaker 1: seat in Sydney which has a large Muslim population. He
Speaker 1: does not want to upset that population because he wants
Speaker 1: to retain that seat. So where was Tony Burke today
Speaker 1: when James Patterson was out saying all the right things?
Speaker 1: Where was Penny Wong? Where was the Prime Minister? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy that we would bring these people here.
Speaker 1: And when Tony Burke says, well, we're not going to
Speaker 1: send them back under any circumstances, he won't change his
Speaker 1: mind on that. And now that he said it, he
Speaker 1: can't actually do it. So if Azio suddenly finds out
Speaker 1: that one of these people that's come into the country
Speaker 1: who checked before they landed, is now someone who is
Speaker 1: vocally supportive of Hamas, what do we do with them?
Speaker 1: I mean, do we arrest them and throw them into
Speaker 1: some sort of detention. That should happen, but I don't
Speaker 1: think this governor will do it.
Speaker 2: No, Joe, we couldn't have heard more times from the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, from Penny Wong, from Clara O'Neil oh, all
Speaker 2: the normal processes are being followed, and then we hear
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess say, well, actually not all of them have
Speaker 2: been sent to US for background checks in time, in time,
Speaker 2: implying they're already here.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, obviously it would be extremely concerning if any of
Speaker 6: the individuals who were given asylum did end up posing
Speaker 6: a threat. I think the more I mean the problem
Speaker 6: is you've got Hamas sympathizers that are already in Australia,
Speaker 6: have been homegrown here, have got even less of an excuse.
Speaker 6: We saw a great expose a of an academic in
Speaker 6: The Australian who said that maybe her masks were just
Speaker 6: like anti colonial freedom fighters. We've had student activists go exactly.
Speaker 2: But I think it's different if people have been brought up.
Speaker 6: Was indoctrinate, Well, that's right, My point exactly is. My
Speaker 6: point is if if you are brought up in Palestine
Speaker 6: a level of propaganda and the way that the entire,
Speaker 6: the entire society is built around, you know, despising Israel
Speaker 6: and thinking Israeli is evil and wanting to take back
Speaker 6: your homeland. You don't think HAMAS is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 6: That's the problem. People in the West have no excuse.
Speaker 6: We can see and we know it's prescribed. People there
Speaker 6: could very easily. And you know, you ang have to
Speaker 6: look at the children's TV program that they put out
Speaker 6: just depicting Jews in horrible ways. People there would have
Speaker 6: been brainwashed into thinking Hamas were, you know, these heroic
Speaker 6: freedom fighters. And indeed Hermas won elections. And this is
Speaker 6: a security briefing I got from here a very Jewish,
Speaker 6: very senior security advisor to I think it.
Speaker 10: Was George W.
Speaker 6: Bush who was saying that Hamas won these elections by
Speaker 6: getting all these you know, local community leaders, young doctors,
Speaker 6: you know, the local pharmacist to run for election. We're
Speaker 6: seen as this nice, touchy, feel like grassroots community and
Speaker 6: we know that they're also double agents who opposing as
Speaker 6: u N educators or u N workers at unwis. So
Speaker 6: again it's it's very disturbing, but the important thing is
Speaker 6: we expose the muscle what they are and these people
Speaker 6: realize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's turn to the dramas around Hurry,
Speaker 2: go ahead, Steve, Well, you've made the point before, the
Speaker 2: neighboring Arab countries near Palestine are not taking these people.
Speaker 1: Why are we flying them all the way to the
Speaker 1: other side of the world when they live in Palestine. Yes,
Speaker 1: what's happening in Gaza is horrible, but why won't people
Speaker 1: in Egypt? Why don't they go to Egypt or somewhere
Speaker 1: in their region not as far away from where they lived.
Speaker 10: Bringing any of them here.
Speaker 6: I'd believe they have links to Australia the people were
Speaker 6: flying over, but certainly the other countries should be got
Speaker 6: much anymore.
Speaker 2: But I think Steve, potentially there are security concerns. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know there's not enough pressure put on Egypt either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's to the drug.
Speaker 1: And remember that these people remember showing that. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: found out on your program last week that they were
Speaker 1: processing visas within an hour. How do you do a
Speaker 1: security check on someone within an hour? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not possible. We've been reporting on the
Speaker 2: security flaws for months now. I hope, strongly hope with
Speaker 2: every fiber of my being that it doesn't lead to
Speaker 2: an incident. But you know, we should be having our
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies checking people before they come here. It's just
Speaker 2: the most basic thing. Well, I would be happy to
Speaker 2: have access to more intelligence, Joe than what's publicly available.
Speaker 2: Let's turn to Rachel Gunn. Her shocking break dancing routine
Speaker 2: scored zero Marx. This bizarre performance has now been mocked
Speaker 2: and questioned by big names in the media and politics.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 9: I feel for Rey gun Oh so good.
Speaker 11: I think isn't like huge though?
Speaker 2: Do you really need to feel for it?
Speaker 8: What do you mean huge in what way?
Speaker 9: Like an embarrassment and the joke of the world.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I have to ask you because because it's all that
Speaker 2: me and my friends have been talking about last night,
Speaker 2: after the show and today, and I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 12: I'm you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's taken out.
Speaker 1: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the Olympics.
Speaker 12: See entire time.
Speaker 1: Did anyone see the breakdancing lady?
Speaker 6: It's all from the olympiss.
Speaker 2: I mean it's overshadowed the number of medals that Australia won.
Speaker 2: We're now a laughing stock and an embarrassment.
Speaker 12: Well.
Speaker 2: Sky News digital editor Jack Houghton wrote that Rachel Gunn's
Speaker 2: university papers because she's an academic are just as bad
Speaker 2: as her dancing. He writes on the Sky News website
Speaker 2: that one of her papers is filled with this sort
Speaker 2: of gibberish, including suggestions breakdancing was a space for those
Speaker 2: who had been othered to express themselves and engage in
Speaker 2: new hierarchies of respect. You should read his article because
Speaker 2: it's a whole lot of woke nonsense. Joe, I think
Speaker 2: many people have been saying this, but you know kids,
Speaker 2: and I've got a five year old boy and he
Speaker 2: often just no one teaches him how to dance, but
Speaker 2: his natural breakdancing. Most mums will say this better than
Speaker 2: what we saw from her.
Speaker 6: It's just it was incredible, And Parnell McGuinness raised the
Speaker 6: possibility which I've increasingly come to.
Speaker 10: The view must be true, which it's all.
Speaker 6: Just a massive troll, that this is a massive kind
Speaker 6: of practical joke on the global scale.
Speaker 10: It's like angry penguins.
Speaker 6: It's all a hoax, and then she'll write a dissertation
Speaker 6: about it, got through to the Olympics and just took
Speaker 6: the piece out of the whole thing. But I had
Speaker 6: much more sympathy for her before I read some of
Speaker 6: her academic work, which is the worst kind of turgent sludge,
Speaker 6: like it is what gives all of academia a terrible,
Speaker 6: terrible brain. And then the claims that the criticism of
Speaker 6: her was somehow misogyny or it was sexist, and I
Speaker 6: just and now I'm kind of like, you know what,
Speaker 6: now you deserve.
Speaker 10: Everything you get.
Speaker 6: But it was just absolutely it was so bad that
Speaker 6: either it's a spoof or she takes herself so seriously
Speaker 6: that it looks like a spoof.
Speaker 2: But Steve, this isn't just Rachel Gunn's fault. Whoever's the
Speaker 2: head of the Australian breakdancing team. They could have found
Speaker 2: an eight year old who did a better job. Why
Speaker 2: put her up for this sort of international failure and embarrassment?
Speaker 2: The judges gave her a zero score, so clearly she
Speaker 2: wasn't objectively good by anyone's standard.
Speaker 10: No, it was a great look.
Speaker 1: Her work at university is a worse crime than the
Speaker 1: breakdancing I think. But you're right, how did she ever
Speaker 1: get how did she ever get to become an Olympian
Speaker 1: and walk in the shoes of all of those brilliant
Speaker 1: athletes that we sent there. I mean, the only thing
Speaker 1: I'm sad about here is that the LA has dropped
Speaker 1: breakdancing from its program, which will be really bad news
Speaker 1: for Joe because I think breakdancing about the only thing
Speaker 1: Joe could ever represent the country as an Olympian. It's
Speaker 1: his chance has gone out the window.
Speaker 10: I know it's Crauel.
Speaker 6: Don't someone think of the forty eight year old white breakdancers.
Speaker 10: You know, where's our time to shine?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 10: The goodness appropriation?
Speaker 6: Steve, I think that's that's my academic dissertation.
Speaker 2: Maybe tomorrow night will play some of the clips of
Speaker 2: kids that the parents are posting online who have done
Speaker 2: better jobs. Now the Australian's latest newspolt today, I mentioned
Speaker 2: it a moment ago. Has the Abanzi government and the
Speaker 2: Coalition neck and neck on the two party preferred result. Steve,
Speaker 2: the primary vote, the Coalition is at thirty nine percent
Speaker 2: at this and Labor at thirty two percent. That's primary.
Speaker 2: So Steve, with these results, Labor would still win and
Speaker 2: only would you know, would only lose four seats. I
Speaker 2: just don't think that's an accurate reflection of voter sentiment
Speaker 2: at the moment, given the cost of living.
Speaker 1: Crisis you're trying to trigger us. I mean, the worst
Speaker 1: result in any election would be a minority labored government
Speaker 1: where they then have to deal with whoever Teal survives,
Speaker 1: And a lot of them won't, but some will. They
Speaker 1: say they won't deal with the Greens, but who would
Speaker 1: know if it got desperate? Anthony Albaneze, you do anything
Speaker 1: to hang on to his job, I would imagine. But
Speaker 1: can you imagine twenty twenty five living in Australia. It's
Speaker 1: bad enough under the Albanze government now, and I know
Speaker 1: jose Ah made of albos but I think he's a
Speaker 1: weak Prime minister. But can you imagine living in a
Speaker 1: country where it was being run by labor and they
Speaker 1: had to cave into a whole lot of demands from
Speaker 1: whatever Teal? I mean, I still have bad dreams about
Speaker 1: Julia Gillard dealing with Bob Catter and Rob oakshot Tony Windsor.
Speaker 1: I mean it took two weeks and made us all
Speaker 1: feel sooing.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Joe, do you still think that Albanize is
Speaker 2: going to win the next election.
Speaker 10: I think it will be minority government.
Speaker 6: I very much like Steve and I are in perfect
Speaker 6: agreement that I very much wish that it was not
Speaker 6: minority government.
Speaker 10: I do not like minority governments. Will not deal with
Speaker 10: the Greens.
Speaker 6: There will be no coalitions say that now believe, and
Speaker 6: there's no way mathematically that they will have to. They
Speaker 6: don't want to deal with the Teals either.
Speaker 2: They don't want you. But if it's a choice between
Speaker 2: retaining government and leasing.
Speaker 6: It, there's a choice between the Greens and the Teals.
Speaker 6: They would get to the Teals, but they'd have to
Speaker 6: lose a lot more than four seats before they have
Speaker 6: to deal with the Teals. So they only have to
Speaker 6: get to seventy two seats and they can still deal
Speaker 6: with another four independents to hold government without even touching
Speaker 6: the Teals or the Greens. They're not going to touch
Speaker 6: the Greens with a barge pole. You've heard what the
Speaker 6: Prime Minister has said about them. He despises them. They
Speaker 6: try to attack him and take his job at every
Speaker 6: single election. In his own seat, they're barricading his office.
Speaker 6: Even as we speak, they're condoning the worst kinds of
Speaker 6: rhetoric about the.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he's happy to attack the Greens.
Speaker 1: But yes, so Joe, you're telling us we're going to
Speaker 1: be run by Anthony Albanezi Catter, Andrew Wilkie and Jackie Lanby.
Speaker 10: That'll be fun, and Rebecca Sharky possibly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, obviously, no one wants that, least of all anyone
Speaker 6: in labor.
Speaker 10: They want a majority.
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying that it doesn't even if Lavor
Speaker 6: goes into minority government, it doesn't mean they'll be for
Speaker 6: the deals.
Speaker 2: Yes, if the polls get so bad, it'd be interested
Speaker 2: to see if there's a push behind Tony Burke. It
Speaker 2: would be fascinating.
Speaker 10: I think we're adding a deal.
Speaker 6: I think it's been this low before, but I don't
Speaker 6: think things can sink much lower, and I think they
Speaker 6: will get better, especially as year companies people start looking
Speaker 6: forward to an interest rate cart and the economy hopefully.
Speaker 2: I think that's very optimistic, Steve, because things are getting worse.
Speaker 2: The IRBA governors just said we're not going to have
Speaker 2: an interest rate cut at least in the next six months,
Speaker 2: and the research shows that voters are starting now to
Speaker 2: blame Albo. The attitudes are starting to harden, so it
Speaker 2: could sink lower. What do you think do you think
Speaker 2: there could be leadership colsibly?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they could well.
Speaker 10: I don't know about a leadership change.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but cost living is getting worse and
Speaker 1: worse and worse. I visited minine year old mother last week.
Speaker 1: I tried to work out on her power bill. When
Speaker 1: she's getting the money that the federal government we're going
Speaker 1: to roll out to all of us to get a
Speaker 1: cheaper electricity. I couldn't work it out how she's supposed
Speaker 1: to work it out. And she's paying four hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a quarter for electricity. He lives on her own in
Speaker 1: a small house. I mean, it is really tough for
Speaker 1: people out there. And look, I guess I suppose Joeanne Sharry,
Speaker 1: you'd both agree this puts to bid. Any idea of
Speaker 1: an election this year is just not going to happen.
Speaker 10: I never thought that I have side. The whole time.
Speaker 6: I thought it would be suicide. I thought it would
Speaker 6: be insane. You wait until you get an interest rate
Speaker 6: cut behind you and people are starting to feel more optimistic,
Speaker 6: and then you go after that.
Speaker 10: For a while it looked like we weren't going to
Speaker 10: get that.
Speaker 6: It now looks like there's going to be one in
Speaker 6: the sort of the first quarter of next calendar year.
Speaker 6: And I can guarantee there will be no leadership spill.
Speaker 6: You can take that to the bank. That is absolute.
Speaker 6: People might be trying to stoke that from the other side,
Speaker 6: to try to bump it up, but there is absolutely
Speaker 6: no way Labor would never do that again, I promise guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see.
Speaker 10: I sure.
Speaker 2: I think if the primary vote sinks lower, Tony Burke
Speaker 2: is so ambitious he could mount an argument with his
Speaker 2: supporters that, you know, the only chance they have to
Speaker 2: hold onto government and to say.
Speaker 10: That I don't think so.
Speaker 6: Tony Burke is a very very capable minister, and he
Speaker 6: is he is the minister for everything these days, and
Speaker 6: he's the sort of mister fix it that you go
Speaker 6: to when you want a problem solve. But even if
Speaker 6: there is not, and then won't be. But the heir
Speaker 6: apparent to Anthony Alberanezi is not Tony Burke.
Speaker 10: It is Jim Chalmer punt present.
Speaker 2: I think that Tony burke suggestion as Prime Minister is
Speaker 2: utterly absurd, but this is what he thinks. He keeps
Speaker 2: putting himself forward as the next PM. Anyway, we're out
Speaker 2: of time, Steve Price talk soon, all right, Labor as
Speaker 2: we've been speaking about is still in damage control. After
Speaker 2: the IRBA confirmed that budget spending of both state and
Speaker 2: federal governments was contributing to higher inflation. The PM denies
Speaker 2: that his budget had anything to do with it. But
Speaker 2: let's bring in now Macro Business chief economist Leith van Nonstein. Leith,
Speaker 2: great to see you. Look, there is this clear rift,
Speaker 2: this divergence in views between the RBA and the government
Speaker 2: on whether government spending, and it's not just federal its
Speaker 2: state as well, is contributing to keeping inflation high. Do
Speaker 2: you think that Albanesi government has any leg to stand
Speaker 2: on when they disagree with the RBA?
Speaker 13: No, I don't cherry look to be honest with you,
Speaker 13: I think both the federal government and the state governments
Speaker 13: are working across purposes.
Speaker 10: With the reserve Bank.
Speaker 13: So obviously the reserve banks trying to slow inflation through
Speaker 13: high interest rates, and we have the federal government working
Speaker 13: against that obviously with its very high immigration policy, which
Speaker 13: they're running into a supply constrained market, and that's pushing
Speaker 13: up obviously things like housing inflation and into inflation. Was
Speaker 13: We've also got obviously energy policy alliures left right and center,
Speaker 13: which is pushing up gas and electricity prices. That's adding
Speaker 13: the cost of living and inflation across the economy. And
Speaker 13: finally we've got their massive spending on things like the NDIS,
Speaker 13: which is obviously adding demand in the economy. And then
Speaker 13: we have the state governments which are doing their big
Speaker 13: build infrastructure projects, often on white elephant sort of projects
Speaker 13: like the suburban rail loop in Melbourne, and then that's
Speaker 13: adding demand to the economy. So we've got basically a
Speaker 13: burnout economy at the moment, where by the Reserve Bank's
Speaker 13: got the foot on the brake with interest rates, and
Speaker 13: all the governments have got the foot on the accelerator
Speaker 13: working across purposes, and we really need them.
Speaker 10: To work together.
Speaker 2: There's also been this debate about the energy subsidies. Clearly
Speaker 2: they do lower that component of the CPI. However, the
Speaker 2: data shows that when they end that inflation ticks back
Speaker 2: up again. So are you one of those economists who
Speaker 2: thinks this is a trick or do you think it's
Speaker 2: really smart policy.
Speaker 10: Look, it's a band aid to be quite frank.
Speaker 13: So basically the subseason on energy and rents for that matter,
Speaker 13: basically trying to paper over the cracks of the government's
Speaker 13: own failed policy. So if you look at energy, for example,
Speaker 13: the East Coast Australia is one of the biggest gas
Speaker 13: exporters in the world, but we're the only region in
Speaker 13: the world that doesn't have a gas reservation scheme and
Speaker 13: as a result, we pay some of the highest gas
Speaker 13: prices in the world and then that.
Speaker 10: Pushes u up electricity. And instead of addressing that.
Speaker 13: Problem at the source by implementing a domestic reservation scheme
Speaker 13: like we have in Western Australia, the federal government instead
Speaker 13: wants to spend our money to try and alleviate the
Speaker 13: cost pressures, and they're doing that also with the rental market.
Speaker 13: Instead of cutting inflation cutting immigration hard, which they should be,
Speaker 13: they're instead handing out subsidies. So it's really just a
Speaker 13: statistical trick and it's not fixing the underlying problems.
Speaker 2: How are we comparing in the inflation fight to other
Speaker 2: countries around the world at the moment, Yeah.
Speaker 13: We're certainly running behind the other country. So you know,
Speaker 13: if you look at say Canada or New Zealand for example,
Speaker 13: their inflation is coming down fast than us. We're lagging them.
Speaker 13: So unfortunately, we do have domestically driven inflation. And again
Speaker 13: some of that gets back to the federal government with
Speaker 13: its excessive immigration, energy policy failures, spending etc.
Speaker 10: And the state governments.
Speaker 2: An Onsen, thank you very much for your analysis tonight
Speaker 2: now still to come. Why Albo is being called the
Speaker 2: Raygun of Australian politics. He looks snazzy in a suit
Speaker 2: but can't nail the routine on the big stage. Plus
Speaker 2: former ABC chair Morris Newman will be on live after.
Speaker 2: Kim Williams lashes coverage against the broadcaster, despite him criticizing
Speaker 2: the ABC repeatedly in his own book That's All Coming
Speaker 2: Up After the Break, Welcome Back Well. ABC chair Kim
Speaker 2: Williams has claimed that news Core Power Company has an
Speaker 2: obsession with the public broadcaster, saying the coverage is unbalanced
Speaker 2: and at times fairly unhinged. He says it should be ignored.
Speaker 2: He also went on to say that the ABC has
Speaker 2: an obligation to be a reliable broadcaster for the nation.
Speaker 2: He says we are the last broadcaster standing because there
Speaker 2: are a lot of people in Australia who don't have money. Now.
Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that Kim Williams himself was
Speaker 2: highly critical of the ABC in his twenty fourteen book,
Speaker 2: it seems his tune has changed since taking on the
Speaker 2: role of chair. Well, I'm Joe now by former ABC
Speaker 2: chairman Maurice Newman Marris, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 9: Lovely to be with you again.
Speaker 2: Now. Among the many things that Kim Williams said in
Speaker 2: his twenty fourteen book, he absolutely smashed the ABC. He
Speaker 2: said it was guilty of pompous twaddle. He said it
Speaker 2: doesn't break news or not enough news. He accused it
Speaker 2: of vainglorious behavior, and he said he begs to differ,
Speaker 2: and he completely smashed it. He couldn't have used harsher words.
Speaker 2: Yet here he is now ABC chair doesn't have a
Speaker 2: harsh word to say, and criticizing NewsCorp for daring to
Speaker 2: hold the part broadcaster to account despite the fact it's
Speaker 2: funded by the taxpayer.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, which is the real? Who is the real
Speaker 9: Kim Williams?
Speaker 14: I mean, I would suggest that probably in the book
Speaker 14: is what he really thinks. But he seems to have
Speaker 14: been captured since he's been there. I mean, when his
Speaker 14: position was announced, I wished him all the best and
Speaker 14: hope that he's able to succeed but I know what
Speaker 14: it's like having been there, that ultimately they either wait
Speaker 14: you out or try to capture you.
Speaker 9: I think that Ida.
Speaker 14: Buttros has had a couple of comments since she left
Speaker 14: which had been critical of the ABC.
Speaker 9: But none of that was apparent when she was there.
Speaker 14: I was critical of the ABC, and from that moment
Speaker 14: on I was canceled. I gave a speech to the
Speaker 14: two hundred most senior people in the ABC. I was
Speaker 14: told that what I had said, which was that they
Speaker 14: should be more curious, they needed to be more independent
Speaker 14: than they needed to be more considerate of the charter,
Speaker 14: that when I made those comments, I was essentially remember
Speaker 14: speaker after me was told that the audience was too
Speaker 14: angry after what I had said to concentrate on the
Speaker 14: subsequent speaker. So you know, it is a collective, it's
Speaker 14: self serving, it's inward looking, and I wish Kim William's
Speaker 14: luck even now, but I think he's going to find
Speaker 14: it increasingly difficult.
Speaker 2: I mean, the issue is that it ignores certain stories
Speaker 2: or problems in society, it focuses on others. It has
Speaker 2: a bias in many different areas, even though it is
Speaker 2: funded by the taxpayer. One point one billion dollars a year.
Speaker 2: What did you try and change apart from the speech,
Speaker 2: What did you try and change when you were there?
Speaker 2: And was it virtually impossible?
Speaker 9: Well, it is impossible, Althos.
Speaker 14: I found it impossible, and I certainly put some effort
Speaker 14: into it. I mean I remember that night, after I
Speaker 14: had given my speech to those two hundred most senior people.
Speaker 9: Remember that Mark Scott, who was in the.
Speaker 14: Chief executive, issued a statement which was read out on
Speaker 14: late line by Tony Jones, saying that he had complete
Speaker 14: confidence in the staff and the journalists at the ABC.
Speaker 14: So essentially threw the chairman under the bus. And I
Speaker 14: knew from that moment on where I stood and where
Speaker 14: the ABC stood, and the train never the twain met.
Speaker 14: So we did have a committee which came up with
Speaker 14: new editorial policies. But it's like the Soviet Union's constitution.
Speaker 14: It was the freest in the world. But if you
Speaker 14: don't practice, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: Good analogy. And now, of course Mark Scott's over at
Speaker 2: the University of Sydney again failing in his leadership. Look,
Speaker 2: I think it's so fascinating. We've been very critical of
Speaker 2: the fact that the public broadcast at hasn't all covered
Speaker 2: the antisemitism crisis. It hasn't cared about anti Semitism until today,
Speaker 2: Maurice Newman, the ABC sees fit to only care about
Speaker 2: anti Semitism when they're publishing messages sent by a Channel
Speaker 2: seven executive to another producer. This is their revelation today
Speaker 2: on the website. They claim that those messages are anti Semitic,
Speaker 2: even though the producer who sent them, Mark Llewellyn, is
Speaker 2: known to strongly support Israel. This is a story I
Speaker 2: looked at personally a few months ago. I knew about
Speaker 2: the messages. I had the messages, but I dismissed it
Speaker 2: as a story because yes they're off color messages, Yes
Speaker 2: they're offensive, but they're not anti Semitic. And if the
Speaker 2: ABC cared about anti Semitism, well there's a lot of
Speaker 2: issues they could look at that are actually a lot
Speaker 2: closer to home.
Speaker 14: Well, we always see our own faults magnified in others,
Speaker 14: and I suspect that's probably what they're seeing in the
Speaker 14: Channel seven report.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the ABC's coverage overall has been far from
Speaker 2: friendly to the Jewish community or to Israel. That's for sure,
Speaker 2: all right, Morris Human really appreciate your time and insights.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Enjoy having you on the show
Speaker 2: as always. Now still to come, Albin Easy, the Reagan
Speaker 2: of the Australia One commentators hilarious and devastating critice. Plus
Speaker 2: the political polls are bad for Albow, but isn't bad
Speaker 2: enough that he'll be a one term prime minister. I'll
Speaker 2: discuss this with my political panel Cameron Milner and Holly
Speaker 2: Hughes after this quick break. Welcome back well. Another terrific
Speaker 2: piece by editor Christopher Dare in The Nightly this Evening
Speaker 2: where he calls Anthony Alberizi the Raygun of politics door
Speaker 2: rights that Albanezi pulled out all the right moves to
Speaker 2: get the call up for national duty. Looks pretty snazzy
Speaker 2: in the green and gold tracksuit, but can't quite nail
Speaker 2: the routine on the big stage. Our iconic Big Girl
Speaker 2: is all bunny ears, kangaroo hops and body drops. DJ
Speaker 2: Albow is all talk, labor chops and policy flops. On
Speaker 2: that note, let's bring in tonight's political panel former Chief
Speaker 2: of Staff to Bill Shotton, Karon Milner and Liberal Senator
Speaker 2: Holly Hughes. Welcome to you both is this a fair comparison.
Speaker 15: Well, I always like reading Chris Stor, but yes, I
Speaker 15: think it is. I mean, you know, at the end
Speaker 15: of the day, just because you're representing Australia, it doesn't
Speaker 15: mean you're actually up to the job. I mean, Raygun
Speaker 15: was a disgrace. I mean Meghan Davis said that today
Speaker 15: in her in her tweet, and I think Albo is
Speaker 15: getting found out by the Electric as well as not
Speaker 15: being up to the job. So no, it's just because
Speaker 15: you've described as Australian representatives doesn't mean necessarily up for
Speaker 15: the job.
Speaker 16: Holly, what do you think, Well, I don't know if
Speaker 16: he's breakdancing, but he's certainly performing significant acrobatic moves at
Speaker 16: the moment, particularly when you look at the way he's
Speaker 16: trying to misinterpret what the RBA is saying when it
Speaker 16: comes to this government spending and the direct links that
Speaker 16: it has with the inflation that we're experiencing, and the
Speaker 16: RBA saying that it is because of the government spending
Speaker 16: that we're going to experience higher interest rates for longer,
Speaker 16: and yet any time that mister Aveneese has questioned on this,
Speaker 16: he just flood out denies that's what they've said it's
Speaker 16: just extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 16: The ray gun either.
Speaker 2: I think it's incredibly.
Speaker 16: Embarrassing and I actually feel sorry for our athletes who
Speaker 16: did perform incredibly well that they've been overshadowed. Yeah, one
Speaker 16: is talking about some of the other performances exactly. I
Speaker 16: want to say Jess Hull, and I might be wrong,
Speaker 16: but who won the silver medal on the track and
Speaker 16: the last second last night? You know, there was some
Speaker 16: incredible efforts by Australian athletes that have been overshadowed by
Speaker 16: this complete embarrassment that looked like a Kath and Kim
Speaker 16: mock up in an Aussie tracksuit.
Speaker 2: I agree. It's such a pity that it's distracted from
Speaker 2: the fact that Australia did so well. I mean, for
Speaker 2: a while it looked like we were going to come
Speaker 2: in third on the metal tally just slipped into fourth.
Speaker 2: But this is all anyone's talking about now and well,
Speaker 2: the Albanezi government today introduced legislation to tackle the CFMEU
Speaker 2: have a look.
Speaker 11: The government has rushed in new laws to clean up
Speaker 11: the embattled CFM. You new Minister Murray Watt wants to
Speaker 11: appoint an administrator for the construction divisions of the union
Speaker 11: after shocking allegations of criminal misconduct. Fines and jail time
Speaker 11: would be imposed for union officials who refused to comply.
Speaker 2: And that was Trudy McIntosh there with that report. Cameron,
Speaker 2: do you think an administrator given sweeping powers under the
Speaker 2: legislation goes far enough to tackle this?
Speaker 15: Well, let me say, I think the legislation is premature.
Speaker 15: I think it's traconian, and I think, quite frankly, it's thuggish.
Speaker 15: We've actually got a federal court process where the Fairwork
Speaker 15: Commission's actually testing the evidence, testing the allegation shari as
Speaker 15: they should. And yet you have a politician stepping into
Speaker 15: the Brits into the midst of this. Albow is seen
Speaker 15: as so weak. He's so desperate to be seen as
Speaker 15: a tough guy. He wants to be now a union buster.
Speaker 15: I think this legislation might be needed at the end
Speaker 15: of a long process, the way Bob Hawk did with
Speaker 15: the BLF. It was a royal commission in two years
Speaker 15: of investigations, and Bob hawks it up and said this
Speaker 15: is now necessary. Albert's done none of that, none of
Speaker 15: that's been justified. Leave it to the police to investigate
Speaker 15: criminal matters, leave it to the Fair Work Commission to
Speaker 15: actually run the case in the Federal Court. I don't
Speaker 15: think Palmer's got a role in this. Think Parliament should
Speaker 15: be there to make the laws. Courts there should be
Speaker 15: there to interpret them. And I think Murray what Aalbo
Speaker 15: have overstepped their mark completely with this legislation.
Speaker 2: Interesting holy the coalitions are posing it, but for completely
Speaker 2: opposite reasons, well.
Speaker 16: Not really opposing it for opposite reasons. I think Cameron
Speaker 16: is spot on when he talks about the need for
Speaker 16: a Royal commission and a proper investigation into this. Albo
Speaker 16: would love to think that he is Bob Karnate, Bob
Speaker 16: Hawk reincarnated, but in fact he's an absolute poor cousin
Speaker 16: three times removed. He is nothing like Bob Hawk and
Speaker 16: what he did around the BLF when he registered it
Speaker 16: it is absolutely disgraceful. I mean, we've been maybe where
Speaker 16: Cameron and I won't agree. We've been on the NDAs
Speaker 16: all day today and legislation that was supposed to be
Speaker 16: passed six weeks ago has had eighteen amendments brought by
Speaker 16: the government today. And this is why scrutiny of this
Speaker 16: legislation or any legislation is important, and the fact that
Speaker 16: they're just trying to jam this through in a bid
Speaker 16: and it's not about policy, it's not about legislation, it's
Speaker 16: not about substance. It's all about the politics. Cameron's right
Speaker 16: when he says it's Murray Ward trying to.
Speaker 10: Provide it's a factional alo to.
Speaker 2: Look go ahead, Cameron explain that.
Speaker 16: Boosts albos power in Victoria.
Speaker 15: How actually, don't Holly, they does she don't support albow albow.
Speaker 2: They're with the right, he's the left.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's right, and the other lot. John said
Speaker 15: this is just a factional hit job at the point
Speaker 15: of convenience for Albo to try to look like a
Speaker 15: tough guy when he's actually looking so weak on so
Speaker 15: many other issues.
Speaker 2: Holly Cameron, I think it's fascinating that no one has
Speaker 2: spoken about this, that you're the first person to actually
Speaker 2: point this out that in a way this is cementing
Speaker 2: Albanese's power base. Cameron Milner, Well, that's right.
Speaker 15: And I actually went back to the ninety and eighty
Speaker 15: five type Britain speech the Bob Haulk gave to the
Speaker 15: Parliament where he stepped out like a proper lawyer. Every
Speaker 15: single reason why they b left needed to be deregistered,
Speaker 15: including the fact that Norm Gallagher have been found guilty
Speaker 15: and gone to jail for corruption.
Speaker 10: None of that's the case.
Speaker 15: And we've actually got a process, a fair work commission
Speaker 15: process that's independent Chari independent. Albow's factional politics and he
Speaker 15: doesn't want that. He wants to ran through legislation, jam
Speaker 15: it through the Senate. I think this, as I said,
Speaker 15: is highly premature and actually subverts the process of the
Speaker 15: independent courts in this land.
Speaker 2: But the problem is, of course the CFMEU is thaigish.
Speaker 2: You know, it does appear that they've been involved in
Speaker 2: criminal conduct, so I don't think they're going to have
Speaker 2: too many defenders. It's just interesting that, you know, it
Speaker 2: is also a factional issue.
Speaker 15: But Shari, not even John Hown and Peter Reith de
Speaker 15: registered the MUA in the middle of the waterfront dispute.
Speaker 10: This is union.
Speaker 15: Busting legislation from the Parliament. Let's call it for what
Speaker 15: it is, a union busting legislation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Camera Milner, Holly Hughes, great to see
Speaker 2: you both tonight. Now up next, Donald Trump's campaign accuses
Speaker 2: he ran of hacking their internal messages and how did
Speaker 2: leak documents end up in the inbox of a media outlet?
Speaker 2: Plus the dangerous crackdown on free speech in the UK.
Speaker 2: Koshagada will break all of this down after this quick break. Well,
Speaker 2: let's have a look now at this ominous threat from
Speaker 2: the UK Crown prosecution servers to free speech. They've worn
Speaker 2: citizens to think before they post. This does appear to
Speaker 2: be a major attack on free speech, with comedian Rowan
Speaker 2: Atkinson among those speaking out against it. Let's bringing our
Speaker 2: Stein News contributor Koshagada to discuss this. Kosh, You're good
Speaker 2: to see you again. Look how serious is this and
Speaker 2: how concerning is this? Censorship of free speech in the UK?
Speaker 17: Concerning very chilling, some would say. And George Orwell was
Speaker 17: English and he wrote about a version of this in
Speaker 17: nineteen eighty four, and some would say he was very prescient. It's,
Speaker 17: you know, quite remarkable how countries in the West, starting
Speaker 17: with the UK and you know many the US, Australia others,
Speaker 17: have come out of that freedom basically philosophy that you know,
Speaker 17: they came into after six thousand years of human experiments.
Speaker 17: It was sort of the best system that's come out
Speaker 17: of England and most of the countries and around it.
Speaker 17: To see this happening there is quite stunning. I think,
Speaker 17: you know. The reason is the upstream problem over here
Speaker 17: is the level and quantum and speed of immigration that
Speaker 17: has been allowed into the country, coupled with poor and
Speaker 17: unequal application of the law that has led to this
Speaker 17: pressure cooker environment which at any time can explode as
Speaker 17: it did because of those atrocious stabbings. It's really hard
Speaker 17: to unscramble the egg of immigration policy and law and
Speaker 17: order policy, and so the easier thing to do is
Speaker 17: to try and put a lid on the pressure cooker
Speaker 17: in the form of censorship and infringement on civil libers.
Speaker 17: And so I think it's unfortunately a predictable consequence, but
Speaker 17: it really is quite stunning when you see it in
Speaker 17: a country like the UK.
Speaker 2: It truly is. We're going to continue to cover this
Speaker 2: topic throughout my shows this week. For now, Kocher, let's
Speaker 2: have a look at the US left wing media outlets
Speaker 2: are trying to defend Kamala Harris since she's gone to ground.
Speaker 2: As we know, she's refused to give a press conference
Speaker 2: or a serious sit down interview. MSNBC's Michael Steele defended it.
Speaker 12: Have a look what has struck me since Donald Trump's
Speaker 12: press conference is sort of the sort of high brow
Speaker 12: nature of the press coming at Kamala Harris saying.
Speaker 9: Well, she, in my view, whining that.
Speaker 18: She hasn't she doesn't talk to us, she hasn't done
Speaker 18: a sit down with us, she hasn't done interviews with
Speaker 18: us right now, is there a real need for her
Speaker 18: to sort of, you know, get the impromata of the
Speaker 18: press on her campaign.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a serious issue of presidential nominee
Speaker 2: surely needs to be open for scrutiny, especially when she
Speaker 2: missed all the debates.
Speaker 17: So true, it's very frustrating for citizens, for voters that
Speaker 17: are trying to ascertain how to cast their vote and
Speaker 17: who stands for what they stand for and who is
Speaker 17: going to set the country on the right direction. But
Speaker 17: if that's the question being asked, absolutely, it's very frustrating.
Speaker 17: I think where Michael Steele is right, as much as
Speaker 17: we hate to say it is if the question is
Speaker 17: what does it take for a candidate like Kamala Harris
Speaker 17: to win this race and run out the cloth with
Speaker 17: eighty days left to go, and the circumstances under which
Speaker 17: she arrived in the position of being the nominee, then
Speaker 17: some would say, actually, this is exactly the correct, correct
Speaker 17: strategy for her. The question remains, eighty days is a
Speaker 17: lifetime in politics, and will that frustration from the press,
Speaker 17: as favorable as they are to her, get to a
Speaker 17: point where it makes them look very foolish and they're
Speaker 17: going to force it, or will Team Trump be able
Speaker 17: to somehow force her into an unscripted moment with a
Speaker 17: debate or something like that. Other than that, I think
Speaker 17: this is very clear that this is her strategy and
Speaker 17: she's going to continue running with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, Now let's have a look at the claims
Speaker 2: by the Donald Trump campaign team that they've been hacked
Speaker 2: by Iran. This came after Politico received campaign documents via
Speaker 2: an anonymous email. This included a dossia on JD Vance
Speaker 2: now Ko. A Trump campaign spokesman, said the documents were
Speaker 2: illegally obtained by foreign sources hostile to the US. Iran
Speaker 2: has denied responsibility. That's neither here nor there. Do you think, though,
Speaker 2: that there is credible reason for the Trump campaign to
Speaker 2: suspect that Iran might have been behind this leak. You know,
Speaker 2: it's possible.
Speaker 17: There are many, many opponents to the Trump campaign, and
Speaker 17: it's kind of remarkable how many battlefronts he has to
Speaker 17: fight on, both with domestic institutions that are against him
Speaker 17: as well as foreign But I think it's been widely
Speaker 17: held view ever since he entered the political arena that
Speaker 17: a lot of these countries, be it Iran, be it China,
Speaker 17: be it whoever, they are less inclined to be supportive
Speaker 17: of a Trump presidency because he's on predictable, he's a
Speaker 17: bit brash, he is very America first, and that may
Speaker 17: or may not align with somebody certainly like Iran, but
Speaker 17: even other countries, whereas the other side seems to be
Speaker 17: a little bit more controlled or controllable. So I think
Speaker 17: it's not outside the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 17: I think this has been stitched together from a statement
Speaker 17: Microsoft put out there suggesting Iran was a bad actor
Speaker 17: and something like this a couple of months ago, and
Speaker 17: then US security sources are also confirming it certainly a possibility.
Speaker 2: And what do you think the polls are now telling
Speaker 2: us about Kamala Harris v. Trump, and given the polls
Speaker 2: are showing that she has a chance at winning, was
Speaker 2: the move to replace Biden with her a good one?
Speaker 17: It would seem that way for now where she you know,
Speaker 17: number one definitely stemmed the tide of the cratering that
Speaker 17: was happening with Biden after that disastrous debate. So that
Speaker 17: was one issue where diehard Democrats were even abandoning him.
Speaker 17: They have come back home, So I would say that's
Speaker 17: a tick in her column. The second thing about the
Speaker 17: the battleground states, the swing states, it certainly seems like
Speaker 17: it's tightening. There is momentum for her, but it's still
Speaker 17: I think the jury is out on how this is
Speaker 17: going to go. It's going to be super close, but
Speaker 17: for now it's certainly better than the alternative, which was
Speaker 17: Biden in their case.
Speaker 2: All Right, Kosha Dada, thank you so much for your time,
Speaker 2: and that's why I've got time for tonight. I'll see
Speaker 2: you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari