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Speaker 1: My chaf got so bad. Welcome back for another week

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Speaker 1: of backstage, Matthew. Very special guests. We're going to interview

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Speaker 1: today one of your best friends.

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Speaker 2: Stop you're ride there. He's not a friend. Oh what

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Speaker 2: is he? He's a brother?

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Speaker 1: Well, what is it, Joey?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was Brian Carney.

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Speaker 1: Brian Carney, Oh okay, Brian Kearney for those who don't know,

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Speaker 1: are Irish great played rugby union, played for the Newcastle

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Speaker 1: Knights as well and Wigan worries with you now he's

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Speaker 1: in commentary over there at Super League. Question for you,

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Speaker 1: straight away because you have a very great sense of

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Speaker 2: I met Brian when we as a family flew to

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Speaker 2: I met Brian. That was in December. I met Brian

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Speaker 2: It's hard to you know, It's one of those things

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Speaker 2: I think it's one that to be definitely more interesting

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Speaker 2: It is the now watch this. I'm going to look

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Speaker 2: don't don't talk to us about it, don't write a

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Speaker 2: letter to Jack. Just get in touch with elong mask

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Speaker 3: Is he is?

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard too much about your.

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Speaker 2: Jack just said something is distasteful. Never appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think you know a good call.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, Brian Carney. Ladies and gentlemen, it is

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Speaker 2: in gentleman away from Elon Musker's Star satellite.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and if you haven't already followed the subscribe on

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Speaker 1: Spotify and podcast, why didn't you do that? No, Ladies

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Speaker 1: Good to see you again.

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Speaker 1: The late because you're old man, we've been to his

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Speaker 2: Well. Well, Brian, I'll to you remember the time we're

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Speaker 2: You know, he's borderline dictator, shutting down a lot of

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Speaker 3: How good would have been to see them too?

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Speaker 2: In course, it just come and grab me and if you.

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Speaker 3: in his hometown, I should say home village in Hungary

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Speaker 3: he built. He's a mad football fan, soccer fan. He's

435
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Speaker 3: built a football stadiums. It's not the biggest stadium in

436
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Speaker 3: the world. It is probably the most beautiful inside you're

437
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Speaker 3: likely to see. It looks like a church cathedral that's

438
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Speaker 3: got wooden columns, wooden arches. It's an absolute work of art.

439
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 3: But that multimillion paind thing suddenly got built in a

440
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Speaker 3: village of twenty houses in Victor Horgan's home place.

441
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Speaker 2: Remember the time we was at New Year's Eve at

442
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Speaker 2: the Hotel Tara, and of course a lot of your

443
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Speaker 2: dad's friends came over. Barna who was nearby, the late

444
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Speaker 2: Kubbas Laxy, Kebbis Laxy, who was Hungary's number one mime artist,

445
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Speaker 2: and he put on a show. And then and then

446
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Speaker 2: kebys Laxy and his mates come over to me. And

447
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: it's fair to say they didn't really differentiate between Australia

448
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: and New Zealand. And they asked, could I do the haka?

449
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Speaker 2: Remember that.

450
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Speaker 3: You were blinds as well? Yes?

451
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Speaker 2: And I said, okay, now worries so just after the

452
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Speaker 2: stroke of midnight. Everyone has done all anxion and you know,

453
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Speaker 2: all things, and then they've gone oh and they said,

454
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Speaker 2: and Brian's good friend Matthew is going to perform the

455
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Speaker 2: Harker for us. And I did a hard mate. It

456
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Speaker 2: brought the house down. I didn't have the heart to say,

457
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Speaker 2: I was just making it up.

458
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Speaker 3: It was I remember that. How proud were they introducing

459
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Speaker 3: Cobras last year as Hungary's number one? Like when there

460
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: was the last time he had a party and somebody said, wait,

461
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 3: you see this, this guy's a great and he was

462
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: about six foot four and about like what thirty stone?

463
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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, And you remember you stand on the other

464
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Speaker 2: side of the room and he'd be waiting for you

465
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Speaker 2: to catch your eye, and you turn around and he'd

466
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: spot you and he'd act like he was casting fishing,

467
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: and he'd and you actually hooked in the mountain. You

468
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: didn't need dragging. It really was a wonderful mind. He Brian,

469
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Speaker 2: your career, like you grew up mainly playing Gaelic football

470
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Speaker 2: and hurling the g aa. Was that the way it was?

471
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Speaker 3: Yep, every it's remarkable to reach those two that there

472
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Speaker 3: islands last whole sports. So every village, every town, every

473
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: village has got a Gaelic football team or a hurling

474
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: team or sometimes both. It's a massively important organization in

475
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: the in the entire country. So you've got to say,

476
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: you've got your NRL, you got your AFL, and they're

477
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Speaker 3: sort of competing bodies. The GA is a cultural part

478
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 3: of Ireland, that is, it's I mean it's I can't

479
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Speaker 3: overstate the importance of it. So even in the small

480
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: little village I was from, Valley Mount, we had a

481
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Speaker 3: beautiful football feel on the edge of the lakes. I mean,

482
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Speaker 3: that's another one worth googling. The question was Ireland's most

483
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: beautiful venue sporting venue, but every little village had one.

484
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 3: So your school would would have you playing Gaelic football

485
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: or hurling. Someplaces were stronger football, somewhere stronger hurling, more football.

486
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: So I played that at school and then for the

487
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: local the local team, Valley Moound gaa team. Now the

488
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: standard was not great from me in particular, but we

489
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: probably played three tiers down in our in our geographical region.

490
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: But that's that's that's what I played until I went

491
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Speaker 3: to boarding school.

492
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Speaker 2: Well, pretty fast tracking here, Bryan because this is all

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: about the stories and we'll get some beauties coming up.

494
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Speaker 2: But there's only two irishmen not I mean, you know,

495
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: purebred irishman, not talking about people of Irish heritage who

496
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: have played Australian rugby league. You and Pet Goulai, who

497
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: was Scotty Goulay's father. When did you first see rugby league.

498
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Speaker 3: In boarding school? We would sit in boarding school and

499
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Speaker 3: it was a rugby union boarding school and they'd have

500
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: a once a year on the BBC, the Challenge Cup

501
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: would come on and I just remember them all wearing

502
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: this gear that was so very different. They'd have these

503
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: tight V shaped shorts, tight shirts and the rugby union

504
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 3: was obviously shorts, pockets in your shorts and oversized heavy

505
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: cotton jerseys. So in boarding school watching Wigan and Challenge

506
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Speaker 3: Cup finals is probably the first time I know. Idea

507
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: the game was played in Australia and New Zealand, No idea.

508
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: How did your first play then? Because there was a

509
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: new Super League team that came in. Was it Gateshead Thunder?

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah? What happened? Cood was I in my final year

511
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: in school, I said I didn't want to play rugby

512
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 3: union anymore because all my mates were sort of half

513
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: wrap bags, all done very well for themselves in life,

514
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: but none of them played rugby union. So I said,

515
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: I want to hang around with them. Told the school

516
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't playing. That didn't go down well, so they

517
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: made my life a bit hard and I fell out

518
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: with rugby union. After that went to university. Somebody said

519
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: will you come down and play? And I said, no chance,

520
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: said I'm over it. He said, just come down and

521
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: have a game. So I went down to one of

522
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Speaker 3: the big rugby union clubs in Dublin and there's a

523
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: guy there said listen. He said, this isn't your sport.

524
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: He says during the summertime. She says, I have a

525
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: team in Dublin to play a game called rugby league.

526
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Speaker 3: I think you'd be very good at it. I said,

527
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Speaker 3: come and see me. Well, chat later in the year.

528
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: So chatted later in the year. This is actually final

529
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: year in university and he said, here, listen, have a

530
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Speaker 3: go that. So I played it, loved it. It was

531
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: on a park Cooper literally nobody there. One team from

532
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: one part of Dublin team playing another part of Dublin.

533
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: Some Kiwi tradesman or an Aussie tradesman, and then I

534
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: got selected to play an Irish for an Irish amateur side.

535
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Speaker 3: And then the guy who was coaching the Irish, the

536
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Speaker 3: full Irish side, who was at Saltford at the time,

537
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: he came to watch that game and he said, listen,

538
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: I'd like you to come into the squad. So came

539
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: into the full Irish squad and that had the likes

540
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: of Sean Edwards, Tommy Martin, Terry O'Connor, Barny McDermot, James

541
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Speaker 3: Lowe's in it and Shane Richardson was then showing a video.

542
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Speaker 3: And I signed for Gateshead who were new franchised.

543
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Speaker 1: As you say, how was that team? How was the

544
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Speaker 1: quality of that side.

545
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Speaker 3: The Gateshead side? Yeah, oh Cooper, it was. It was.

546
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Speaker 3: It was a surreal experience because my first experience of

547
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: the professional rugby league I might as well have been

548
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: playing for an NRL side. They were all Australians. It

549
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: was myself and one Welsh guy. Everybody else was Australian.

550
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: Everybody they got.

551
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Speaker 2: They could, they could have as many want basically, yeah,

552
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: and absolutely had.

553
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Speaker 1: That season had that season ended up going, because they

554
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Speaker 1: do they do. They end up like fould not folding,

555
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Speaker 1: but they ended up getting relegated or.

556
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Speaker 3: We finished sixth. We finished sixth, and it was a

557
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: brilliant season. And they're they're great guys and if I

558
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: ever see them again as individuals, I love spending some time.

559
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: They're all really really good fellows. Had such a brilliant year.

560
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: We finished sixth, just outside the playoffs. But in your

561
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: first year, that's good. Hull f C were in big

562
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: trouble at the time financially. So the league said to

563
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: Shane Richardson, who had been espousing the benefits of Gateshead,

564
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 3: and he said, they said, listen, here's a million parents.

565
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: Take your Gateshead team and bring it to Hole. And

566
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: so Gateshead disappears and Hole survived. Yeah. Right, so we

567
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: all we all moved on mass down the Hole and

568
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: we went from virgin rugby league territory to rugby league

569
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Speaker 3: hard heart Land.

570
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Speaker 2: We talking about it just quickly. How was it like

571
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Speaker 2: you you were never exposed to Australians, going like your

572
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: experience like playing with Australian rugby league players, was it like?

573
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Speaker 3: I loved it? Some of the guys who immediately when

574
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: you like Craig Wilson Pod, Danny Lee, the Ox, Benny Sammas,

575
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: Maddie Daylights, Chucky Herron I and Herron. These are all

576
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: like now Andrew Hick, Tony Grimaldi. I named them all,

577
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: will Robinson, Willie Peters who's now coaching over here. I

578
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: loved it. I love the Australians. I love their approach.

579
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: I could differentiate between the country Australians. We had Brett

580
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: Green who was like just an abrasive Brook Queenslander from

581
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: it was came from the Brisbane Broncos. And then you'd

582
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: have a more of a city slicker. So I can

583
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: see the sort of split in country Assie and city

584
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: Aussie personality. But I really loved it. I love they

585
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: trained hard, they were really skillful, took the rugby league serious,

586
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: but like drinking and like betting.

587
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get onto, before we go into whole

588
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: second story, I wanted to bring up. While we're starting

589
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: to get into your career player managers start to get involved,

590
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: can you talk to us, tell us about the story

591
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: that time you pranked a player manager and personating to

592
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: be someone else.

593
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: Remind me now we don't have to use his name.

594
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: He was a legend at a club I played for.

595
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: And a guy that you were impersonating was the Super

596
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: League player who was sorry, yeah, yeah, So you can

597
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: use a couple of alias. Is he if you'd like to?

598
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: Right right? A guy who you've used to play with, Marty,

599
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: who would be considered a club legend at your at

600
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: your club. We won't say which club that is. It

601
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: could have been Wiggan, Cronola or Newcastle, but it was

602
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: the latter. He had got into player management and the

603
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: boys were telling me, they said, this fellow as hungry

604
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: as anything. You'll take anybody. I said what they said,

605
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, they'll take anybody. So I rang and

606
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: pretending to be a real player from England who was

607
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: who was keen to come over to play in the NRL.

608
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: So I had him on a hook straight away. I

609
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: put on this English accent, which would be terrible for

610
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Speaker 3: anybody but in Australia. And the I said, listen, I'm

611
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: keen to get out of here, but I need to

612
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: get out of here quickly. And he says, why why

613
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: the rush? This is mid season? I said, all listen,

614
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: I went out went I went out last night and

615
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: I got into a bit of a scuffle and I

616
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: ended up. I ended up stabbing a bloke in the

617
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: in the arm and he was an Olympic swimmer and

618
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: he's lost his arm. And I'll never forget him saying

619
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: what he's lost his arm, he's lost a wing. Must

620
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: have been a hell of a stink. And I said, well,

621
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Speaker 3: I didn't even know I had the knife, and the

622
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: knife fell into his arm and he's lost his own arm.

623
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Speaker 3: So I've got to get out of here quickly. And

624
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: he said, well, we could probably find a spot for you,

625
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: but we'll just need to manage the We'll need to

626
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: manage the pr around. This is on speakerphone. I said, well, listen,

627
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: there's there's good news as well, he said. I said,

628
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm a goal kicker. I'm kicking at sixty two percent

629
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: at the moment. And he went, okay, well that's good.

630
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: He said, having a goal kick into your bow is

631
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: an extra an extra string, which.

632
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Is sixty is quite average. That is a very average

633
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: just for people.

634
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: He'd be sacked. You'd have the license taken off you,

635
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: so he would. So next thing, we went round to

636
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: Manny's brother's house and this this player agent rang Maddie's

637
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: brother and said, hey, do you know much about filling

638
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: the blank player for England. He's key to come over here.

639
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: He's a he told me. He's in a little bit

640
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: of bother. He's a goal kicker though he said he's

641
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: kicking at sixty two percent and never I'll never forget,

642
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: he said to Joey. I said to him on the phone, Joey,

643
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: I could kick at sixty which he never did. But yeah,

644
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: so we we, uh, we still laugh about it, Mike

645
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: Gidley and I when we do it. Because he was

646
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: asking for the details. He says, but what's your email

647
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: address and I'll send over a contract and I said,

648
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: it's the player's name, and then I went and then

649
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: it's like the letter A with a circle going around

650
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 3: the letter are, but the circle doesn't go the whole

651
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: way around the letter A, and it sort of just

652
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: comes up sure, and he goes that's commonly referred to

653
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: as at So yeah, so we were. We ended up

654
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: emailing him back and forth. We went up to play

655
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: the Cowboys once and we were sitting in this one.

656
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: I was at Newcastle this and we were in the

657
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: airport of Brisbane and I flicked open the phone and

658
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: I was showing the boys were all gathered around showing

659
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: the email correspondence with this book. He's no longer a

660
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: player agent. He'll kill me if you ever.

661
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Hear this, So he never found out. It was you.

662
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you want to get on the wrong

663
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: side of buttsy.

664
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: To tell you about the field. Hey, Brian, the famous

665
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: club Hall, huge rugby league city. Love it you Muster.

666
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: I think you played at that point. You played alongside

667
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: an old team made of mind and I must say

668
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: probably close to the craziest blog of every counted rugby league.

669
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: Fella called Mick Jenkins. What about that for an experience?

670
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: Right? Your your your brother said to me, No, actually

671
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: sorry sorry started with Mick Mick Jenkins Carid Walters. We

672
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: had Kard Walters as a hooker and Carrod's missus at

673
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: the time was got in an accident I think in

674
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: a tuktook or something in Bali and Carod had to

675
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: fly back and so we were down a hooker. So

676
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: there was this Aussie bloke playing for Workington over in

677
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: Cumbria and rich O's recruited him over. So we were

678
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: introduced to this guy. Mick Jenkins used to be at

679
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: Newcastle Knights and he's over and this was this was

680
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: maybe the most different humor I've ever come across. First

681
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: Aid comes in. He's got the shaven head. Now I

682
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: think it's all in the fash, all in rage. Now

683
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: he's got the size of the head shaved. He's got

684
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: the mohawk down the middle, and he's got tattoos. One

685
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: is the target signed and the others a dragon either

686
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: side of his head. He used to play with his

687
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: socks taped down. Now you hear them tape of their

688
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: socks on. Jenko used to play with his socks taped

689
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: down in case they'd ever rise up during the game.

690
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: He shaved every part of his body and took his

691
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: rugby league really seriously. But he was he was a

692
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: left field individual. Yeah.

693
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: The one where he lived in Workington, Him and Evan

694
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: Cochran lived together. And of course the price of steak

695
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: meat in England is quite expensive, so jen Kin come

696
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: up with the scheme. Then he went to a farmer

697
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: and bought a cow off him, and got the farmer

698
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: the slaughter the cow and cut all the meat up

699
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: and then they put it all in the freezer. But

700
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: then they had to go down to London and play

701
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: a gang done it for three days. And meanwhile there

702
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: was a stone that hit and all the paler does

703
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: a power.

704
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 4: Addit you said, walked into the house. It was just

705
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: like right, it was like it was death because it was.

706
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: True, true story this. I was driving with Jenko through

707
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: hole and he's driving in his car and he jams

708
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 3: on the brakes and I go, what And he goes

709
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: slipping into reverse, goes back outside this terraced house. Front

710
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 3: of this terrace house, somebody looks like they're doing some

711
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: landscaping sort. There's like all these tools lined up against

712
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: the wall and all that. And Jenko goes out and

713
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: he whips the tools and shoves them in the back

714
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: of his car. And I said, what are you doing?

715
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 3: I said, you can't pinch them. He goes, no, ah, My.

716
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: You gotta understand people leave stuff outside their house if

717
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: you want, if they want you to take it away,

718
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 3: is that yes?

719
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah.

720
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: So somebody's gone in for a cup of tea, Jenko's

721
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: whipped their hold, their rake and their show straight in

722
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: the back of the car. If we lived in a flat,

723
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: you didn't even need them.

724
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: Oh, tell us about that year at how when you

725
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: first merge. How successful was that year for you?

726
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: It was good.

727
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: It was I was trying to make my way into

728
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: the team. I played five games the year before for

729
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: Gateshead because I was behind Ian Heron, Ian Heron, I

730
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: think Dion Byrd was on the other wing. Maybe Matt Daylight. Sorry,

731
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: Matt Daylight was on the other wing and he was

732
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: top try scorer in ninety eight at gates Shead, so

733
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: we had a fantastic year. Chucky was a goalkicker and

734
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: Matt Daylight was a top try scorer, so I couldn't

735
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: make my way into the team. Following year in Hull

736
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: got a bit more of a chance, but it was great.

737
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: It goes from as I said, Virgin Territory to a

738
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: place where everybody loves their rugby league. I mean they

739
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: are mad for in whole two professional clubs in the

740
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: city and they absolutely loved their rugby league. So that

741
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: was a good year. We merged with as I said,

742
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: the whole club, so we got some of the best

743
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: of their players who are generally on British and then

744
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: we had the best of the Australians that came down

745
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: from Gateshead, so that was a It was a good

746
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: year we played the Challenge Cup game against Wigan. We

747
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: beat them. I got sin bin for deliberate off side

748
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: or something like that. And then as it was my

749
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: time to come back on field, Steve Renolf playing for Wigan,

750
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: made a breakdown the far side of the field. So

751
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: I shot across the field. I don't think I've got

752
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: permission from the fourth official yet shot across the field,

753
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: managed to tackle Pearl and Marris Lindsay, who was our boss,

754
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: he was at the game and he went He was

755
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: quick and he said he rang a couple of weeks

756
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 3: later and said you want to sign for Wigan. So

757
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: because of that.

758
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: Game, just from that one illegal you running out of

759
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: the field early.

760
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was on Steve Renolf. We're one

761
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: of the greatest players ever and.

762
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: You go to game with Marris like, if you think, yeah,

763
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: Nicolas step I can play, I'll take him. Morris is

764
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: a whole nother level. You don't have to do one

765
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: good thing right and he have at you to get

766
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: you the Wigan But he was but the coops like

767
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: brought about this up. He was probably no bigger character

768
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: in rugby league than the late Morris Lindsay.

769
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: P T Barnum man, it's probably what we're lacking at

770
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: the moment. You guys have got it with the Landy's.

771
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: In a sense, not every sport need there's no cheerleader

772
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: individual for the Premier League. I get that, but some

773
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: sports needed and rugby league in Australia has needed somebody

774
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: like Peter Velandi's to be the pet Barnum that does

775
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: roll up, roll up. Morris was that for a long

776
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: time for the Wigan club. Initially he brought them huge

777
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: success and then for the game in a broader sense

778
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: around sort of around that late nineties when the Super

779
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: League war erupted. We used to go for dinner with

780
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: the late Michael Parkinson quite often himself and friend Phil

781
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: Clark and Morris, but Morrison Parky were great mates. You

782
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: can't imagine somebody would go story for story with the

783
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: great Michael Parkinson. But Parky bring out his Teama Turner story.

784
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: Morris at top it. Parky bring out is Nelson Della's story.

785
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: Morris was top it with a personal interaction with Nelson Mandela.

786
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, one of the great characters. He died a

787
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, but certainly a life well lived.

788
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: Because because when you moved to Wigan. That's where you

789
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: and Matthew, my father first had you first had your

790
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: first interaction. I suppose what was that like, you two meeting.

791
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 3: Well, I had known about Maddy because Jenko was good

792
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: friends with with Joey and and Maddie as well. And

793
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: Jenko had always told me about the John's brothers. So

794
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: I was looking forward when I heard they sign Maddie.

795
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: I was very much looking forward to medium and he

796
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 3: was very different. He was so different from everybody else.

797
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 3: All the Ausies I'd played with, the Gates and Hult

798
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: took their own league really seriously, and we're very good

799
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 3: at it. But his was a different level. I get

800
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: into a complin. This was a different level. I don't

801
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: I haven't come across anybody you know before or since

802
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: that that that that looked at the game in such

803
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: microscopic detail, but not in any sort of a boring way,

804
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 3: but the way to improve. Remember, I was only thinking

805
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 3: about this when I was coming new I was coming

806
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: on to do the interview. You remember a three step, Yes,

807
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: so Maddi broke down stepping and he would break it

808
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: down into its constituent parts and say, well, let's forget

809
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: about the one two step. There's a three step one

810
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: two two or one two three. And he was trying

811
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: to teach me this and we did it. I said, oh,

812
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm struggling to get ahold of this, but I could

813
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: see what he was thinking. Anyway, we did a joint

814
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: training session with less Lester Rugby Union.

815
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: The European champions.

816
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, massive. They came up to Wigan and he

817
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: started doing this three step on there. You've never seen it,

818
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: honest to god, Cooper. They looked like they were in

819
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: a washing machine. They didn't know. They did not lay

820
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: a glove on it. But anyway, Maddie's detail to training

821
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 3: and all that and thinking about the game was was

822
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: was just next level. And that's another of the reasons

823
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: I gravitated towards him. Also, he was great fun.

824
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: We used to we used to yeah, yeah, the good

825
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: old days. We used to sort of trial things all

826
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: the time because let we go out the back of

827
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: the truck the indoor training facility there and we just

828
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: work on footwork drawels like. We worked on a thing

829
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: called the untouchable line, which which used to used to

830
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: catch the ball and you run on a certain angle

831
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: where a defense couldn't outside in you, but they couldn't

832
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: necessarily slide on you. It was an untouchable line, so

833
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: it gave you as much time as you want to

834
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: use your footwork.

835
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yes, Dad still uses that three step, like

836
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: that the three step you talk about. Like when I

837
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: was down at Melbourne, they remember he came down for

838
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: a training session one time, was doing with the Halves.

839
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: He's still trying to teach the boys the three step.

840
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: And on top of that now because he Matthew wouldn't

841
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: say this himself, but he taught Cooper Kronk when he

842
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: was young obviously helped him out. And then when Cooper

843
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: Kronk came down to Melbourne as the Halves coach, he

844
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: was teaching us the three step as well. Yeah, he

845
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: had adopted obviously what you taught him, and he was

846
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: trying to teach us and Cooper very robotic didn't really

847
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: look that great in the three step, but no, sorry,

848
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: so Cooper John's that is it's.

849
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: But the Wigan is you know, for people that don't

850
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: know that aren't Hardcolled rugby League fans listening to this,

851
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: Wigan is one of the biggest clubs in the world.

852
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: You know as far as Raguya League one. Look in

853
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: England it's one of the biggest sports teams historically, full stop.

854
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's got such a vast and incredible history. Remember, Brian,

855
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: we went to and we had a pre season trip.

856
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: They said, listen, we got pre season trip. It's wet,

857
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: it's windy down here a Wigan. We're going to go

858
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: somewhere it's a little bit drier, a little bit warmer.

859
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: We can go and train. That was the plan for

860
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: a week. We went to Edinburgh. We went north, which

861
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: was colder, and it was wetter, and it was windier,

862
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: and it was just basically three days of just drinking. Brian,

863
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: and they did a drinking initiation on you and I

864
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: now the year you more than me now the year before,

865
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: to give you an idea what this is about. You'd sit

866
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: around and they'd all go right, and we're going to

867
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: enjoy shots and have drinking games. And they're all had

868
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: water and they're feeding the imports like pure vodka, and

869
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: you're drinking. You're going, oh my god, and they're all going,

870
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: oh wow, you know nothing now the year before they

871
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: didn't know. But Steve Runoff is diabetic so they just

872
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: plied him full of grog and and he's passed out

873
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: and they've just scooped him up through it and taken

874
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: him up to the rooms, thrown him in the hotel room.

875
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: I don't know half it was.

876
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: It was even worse than that. They were in Dublin

877
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: when they did it with Pearl, and he was at

878
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: the top of the stairs and he was going all

879
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: lightheaded and all that because he was he was a

880
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 3: diabetic as you say, and they shoved him full of

881
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: this vulkan Die Coke and Jack Daniels are Coke and

882
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: he was at the top of the stairs on his

883
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: hands and knees and going, oh, go to the next

884
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: box bar. And they were walking past the Pearl and

885
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: this Neil Kie came out from the upstairs bar, saw

886
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: Pearl get up, would kicked him. Pearl roll down the stairs.

887
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: Somebody somebody went, you've killed the pearl. Killed the pearl.

888
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's yeah, So yeah, we were next.

889
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: They did it to you the following year more than me.

890
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: You see imports, imports of plum clubs like Wigans certainly

891
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: then Mattie. They they were under a different pressure. Cooper.

892
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: It was a really strange dynamic. While they would be

893
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: very welcome, he was, Oh my god, so good we've

894
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: signed these players. Immediately people will be thinking he's on

895
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: a lot of money. He's on a lot of money.

896
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: He's one. And the import players had to reach a

897
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: level of attainment immediately, immediately to satisfy the resident players.

898
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: I can call them that that the imports weren't there

899
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: for a holiday, weren't there just to take the coin,

900
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: weren't there for the last couple of years of their career.

901
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: So there was there was tremendous pressure, and I don't

902
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: I don't doubt that this was in some way linked

903
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: to that. Well, we'll put him under pressure. Let's see

904
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: how he operates under this. So he was sitting in

905
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: the corner and it was old, you know, I'll get

906
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: the next round. Everyone sit down, mate, relax, not you

907
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: around yet, makin coax everybody. So we were coming back

908
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: with straight cokes and a triple vodka and coke from

909
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: Maddie and that e beat boom bringing that, and everybody

910
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: be nudging each other watching them, and we're all laughing

911
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: and telling jokes, and you can see him go and

912
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: he's looking around and nobody else is flinching when they're drinking.

913
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: Everybody's slipping away, so the last thing he wants to

914
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: do is go, oh fuck, these are strong, so he's

915
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: sort of necking them with the sound of the smile

916
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: on his face. Then we tweet, we tweetup where everyone

917
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 3: was going, what he's struggling now, and he was doing

918
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: these ones, drinking it away like this, sipping, laughing with

919
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 3: the jokes and then putting his hand to the side

920
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: and dropping it in the plantat and then coming back

921
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: up like that and thinking nobody could see him. Now, Honestly, Maddy,

922
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: you had enough. You know, you dropped the horse with

923
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: what you had to drink that night.

924
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: It set him in really good staed for the rest

925
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: of his life because he's been drinking like that ever since. Yeah, yeah, differ,

926
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: tell us about that year at Wigan. Could you guys

927
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. You and Matthew made it

928
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: to the Grand Final for the Super League that year?

929
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, all the way to the Grand Final.

930
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: It started off Frank Endicott was our coach. Happy Frank

931
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: the Kiwi coach. Now he had been Super League coach

932
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: the year the year before Cooper and then we had

933
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: a game probably around say round six, around seven goes

934
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: back to Maddie's point on Boris lindsay, we played the

935
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 3: game away at Salford and now Wigan would be expected

936
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: to beat Sulford eleven times out of ten. At that

937
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: stage they would have been expected to beat Sulford. So

938
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: here's this very expensively assembled Wigan team goes to the Willows.

939
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 3: Willows had seen better days. Maddy's talked about it awten

940
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: about how in the sixties it was the place to be,

941
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: had the sort of the casino, the night club there.

942
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 3: Man United players would go, there would come. The early

943
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: two thousand wasn't a particularly pretty place. So we can

944
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: roll into town and Salford put up an unbelievable fight

945
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: that day and it's like twenty all, twenty two, twenty two,

946
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: twenty six, twenty eight, and it comes down to drop

947
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: goals in the end to win your man there beside you.

948
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: He misses five goals, could not He wouldn't have got

949
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: a kick in a horse box that day. He Frank

950
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 3: Frank Endicott loses his job again. Mas Morris instantly coached

951
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: the year. The year before this is around seven or eight,

952
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: Round eight Frank loses his job. So Stuie Raper comes in.

953
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: We Stuwie came in then didn't he yes, and stue

954
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: took Stuey took us all the way to the Grand

955
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: Final and got there. Played Bradford and got absolutely devoured

956
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: by Bradford.

957
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: A lot. Brian in the first couple of minutes got

958
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: a horrendous cat on side of his leg that opened

959
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: right up and you continue to put. You had to

960
00:49:59,600 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: go off.

961
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I had to go off, but I still got

962
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,959
Speaker 3: it here. I hate Chris Ralensky's boot. He was wearing

963
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: these predator boots with a short They had a sort

964
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: of a triangular shaped blade on it. Yeah, and it's

965
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: it sliced my leg. They scored. Two of us were

966
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: in a tackle and Henry Paul I think, I look down.

967
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 3: I went, I could see me bone. So I said

968
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: to the doctor, I said, hey, I can see me

969
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: bone here. Anyway, he came in. I had sixty stitches

970
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: in my in my leg, so I didn't play. I

971
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: didn't play the rest of the game. But it was

972
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: four minutes in.

973
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: Is that true?

974
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: Is any of that true?

975
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: Now?

976
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: That's exactly true, because you happened to the start because

977
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: I did the same thing. I broke my arm in

978
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: the first five minutes. The only difference between me and

979
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: Brian is I continued on and played for the rest

980
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: of the game because I turned up, remember right, So

981
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: I so I went to the doctor at halftime and

982
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: I said, what has happened? I said, I got hit

983
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: this way and another guy hit me there and I

984
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: filled the crack and he said, don't worry, it's Chinese burden.

985
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: He was sent He was sent to the hospital the

986
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 3: next day, which of course was going to be our

987
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: Mad Monday drinking and the waiting list haven't got any

988
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: better in the NHS. They weren't great back then. So

989
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: somebody goes, where's Mardie. I thought he was turning up

990
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: for a drink and they go, no, he's had to

991
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: go to hospital. Next thing, he turns up with like

992
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: this sort of bandage on his on his broken arm.

993
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: When you're not get a cast on. He goes, no,

994
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: I could wait any longer into Mad Monday.

995
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, Brian, I know you're excited as well. Those

996
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: people that can't see Brian. He's on a zoom and

997
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: like an old person, like when you're facetiming your your

998
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: your uncle. He's coming right up to talk to the camera.

999
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: You can feel free to sit feel free to sit back. Brian,

1000
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: You're allowed. You're allowed to talk from back the mate.

1001
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 2: Well, Brian, you had I'm not a professional like you two,

1002
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: but you had normous success at Wigan. You know, you

1003
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: established sselves a world world class winger. On top of that, Mate,

1004
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: you win challenge cups. But some of the characters are Wigan.

1005
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: You mentioned it before, the late Terry Newton, who was

1006
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 2: our hooker at the time. It was a skelly wag

1007
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: hot of gold but man solely missed.

1008
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Terry was. Terry was a local lad.

1009
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: As hard as they come, as run as they come.

1010
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: You just could never get You could never get the

1011
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: better of Terry. He was too quick. He was like

1012
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: a scoundrel and he just operated at a different level

1013
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: from everybody else. Like a really talented player, really tough player.

1014
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: But I sort of consider him the Fagan of the team.

1015
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 3: You know. In Oliver Twist, it was like he was

1016
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: he was in charge of keeping all the naughty lads

1017
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: in check, him being a naughty lad himself. He got

1018
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: in a bit of trouble once for fighting. And remember

1019
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: he got community service as his punishment. So he said,

1020
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 3: he said, boys, he gives all, he gives a hand.

1021
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: I said, what he said, you've got community service, you've

1022
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: got to do it. He goes, yeah, but I've got

1023
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm making these bird boxes with all these other delinquents,

1024
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: he said. But the boss said, if I can bring

1025
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: you guys into to sign autographs and do a talk,

1026
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: he says, I'll get something hours, not golf. So we've

1027
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: gone in and done like stuff for them and all that,

1028
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: and so he got a couple of hours knocked off.

1029
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 3: And then the boss when we were in there is

1030
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: telling us, oh, he's very clever. He takes home all

1031
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: the uniforms from the woodworking shop where all these like

1032
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: delinquents are making bird boxes, takes them home, gets his

1033
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 3: missions to wash them, but that counts as his hours

1034
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 3: off his community service. So he was washing them, drying them,

1035
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 3: hanging and yeah, he's ran that conning test. I loved him, obviously.

1036
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 3: He got done for human growth home on taking human

1037
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: growth home in the latter stages of his career. And

1038
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: then he went off the rails a little and he

1039
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: and he committed suicide. Then I think twenty ten. It was.

1040
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 3: It was a it was. It was a tragic end.

1041
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: And we all all his close friends, we do talk

1042
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: about him a lot. See his parents Tony and Val

1043
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: every every September and we're going and visit them, just

1044
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 3: how to catch up. And Terry's kids are doing really well,

1045
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: really really good girls, which is which is good and

1046
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 3: he'd be very proud of that.

1047
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: Brian. Remember the day there was a there was a

1048
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: petrol strike on going on in England, and so they're

1049
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 2: always I say, listen, boys, if you're going to travel

1050
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: near someone like Carpool, there's no guarantees, you know, with

1051
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: the petrol shortage is going to go on, you're going

1052
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: to get a film the week's time someone and so forth.

1053
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: We're training one day next wenk this huge tanker pulse

1054
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: l man with the petrol just filled everyone's cars up.

1055
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing he could get his hands on.

1056
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: Before we get in, we're going to we're about to

1057
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: touch on your NRL career, which a lot of our

1058
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: listeners will know you from. But before we get into that,

1059
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: the next story you wanted to go into the Doug Howlett,

1060
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: who was a who was an all black.

1061
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: This is one of the greatest.

1062
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: He signed for a team that you were playing for

1063
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: and you did a certain prank on him with a

1064
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: videos video store owner. Can you tell us about that?

1065
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, there's a guy I moved from. When I

1066
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: left after my stint at the Titans, I came back

1067
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 3: home here to England and I ended up signing for

1068
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: rugby union for Munster, which is one of the biggest

1069
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: rugby union clubs in the world and based then and

1070
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: obviously Munster and Cork where I was born. So I

1071
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: moved over there and I gravitated quickly towards one of

1072
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 3: their players called It was a guy called Frankie Sheen,

1073
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: who of all the people I've come across, he was

1074
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 3: one of the great practical jokers. And Newton was a

1075
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: great practical joker Terry Newton. But you might end up

1076
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 3: with shredded trainers or you know, something in your sock

1077
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: that shouldn't be there that stinks, So Terry was sort

1078
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 3: of about the extreme end. Frankie didn't go that far,

1079
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 3: but was very very quick. So we turned up for

1080
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: training one day early and we had just signed Doug

1081
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: Hawlins at the time, all Blacks leading try scorer was

1082
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: at the after the two thousand and seven World Cup

1083
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: and he was was a massive signing. So Frankie and

1084
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 3: I were sitting in the car we had car shared

1085
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: to the training ground, and we were chatting about Dougie

1086
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: and how he'd be settling in and all that, and

1087
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: we were saying, oh, yeah, people and people have been

1088
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: doing doing their very best to help Dougie. Now, there

1089
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: was one guy who used to plague the players to

1090
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: and he'd want to install their satellite TVs. But he

1091
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: really just a shirt toucher. So the lads sort of

1092
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 3: flick on people's phone numbers, so they'd say, Cooper, john'son.

1093
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: Just signed here, Cooper, just ring this fellow. He'll look

1094
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 3: after you. So you ring this blow to get your

1095
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: cable TV installed. Cooper, he'd never leave you alone for

1096
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 3: the next three years, right, So it was like a plague.

1097
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: So so Dougie had just arrived. So he said, hey, listen,

1098
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: we give you a man a call pretending we're Dougie Hewlett.

1099
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: Frankie says, yeah, okay, he says, you'll be Dougie Howlett.

1100
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: He said, he said, who will you be? He goes,

1101
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: He said, just be Dougie howltt and say you're in

1102
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 3: a spot of mother and put me on the phone.

1103
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: So I had no idea what was coming. So I said,

1104
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: rang this the cable installer and I said, yeah, get out.

1105
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 3: I'll can't do that. I'll try to do it.

1106
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: I like it.

1107
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Now they do it? Are

1108
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 3: you sweet ed? Dougie? How's guy for me? So I

1109
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: handed the phone over to Frankie.

1110
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that new WiFi that you've got from Elon mask

1111
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: musta just card out. Can you just go back for

1112
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: two seconds?

1113
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: It's got to be your but it can't be my WiFi.

1114
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: This is possibly a fortune. This Elon must starlink. So

1115
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: Frankie says, you ring the blow, he said, and just

1116
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: say you're in a bit of bother and pass me

1117
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: the phone. So I ran the cable installer and I said, yeah,

1118
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: it's Dougie Hell and Doggie Hell. And I said, I'm

1119
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: in a bit of trouble. Can you help me out?

1120
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: He goes what I handed the phone over to Frankie

1121
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: and Frankie Frankie just did this most brilliant job. He said, listen,

1122
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm running such and such video store down to the

1123
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: main street. Here on Douglas and man goes, oh yeah, yeah,

1124
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: he said, then this value is your friend of yours,

1125
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 3: and the man was saying, that's the hell, that's the famous.

1126
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: Doug held it well, I don't care who he is.

1127
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: He's after coming in here and as a young girl

1128
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: working behind the counter from here, and your man is

1129
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 3: asking for some videos right right, you're a video store. Yeah,

1130
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: the videos he's asking for here now aren't designed we've

1131
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: been giving out to people. It's what's he been asking for?

1132
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 3: Is he been asking for shaving Ryan's privates? That's that's

1133
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 3: not a movie we would stock in here. And he

1134
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: started listening when Harry ate Sally is not that this

1135
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: young girl she didn't know where to look. He goes, oh,

1136
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: she's a right, right right, I'll tell you what we

1137
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 3: could do is right. So the anyway, they end up

1138
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: coming to an agreement where your man's agreed to install

1139
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: free cable into the video shop owners thing in return

1140
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: for not reporting it to Dougie Howler. So anyway, Doug

1141
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't very pleased when he, ah.

1142
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 2: That is good. That is all time. Now, Brian might

1143
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: look after Wigan, you just might. You're going to take

1144
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: on a huge challenge, and he's a massive challenge. Decided

1145
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: to move to the NR Real signed for the Titans

1146
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: season twenties two thousand and seven, but we can grant

1147
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: your release and you join the Knights for just one year.

1148
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: How firstly, how did you enjoy the city and Newcastle?

1149
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Loved it? Loved it, and I loved it maybe maybe

1150
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: my favorite year of playing. It went fairly well at

1151
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: an individual level. I love I love where it was living.

1152
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't probably in the best headspace in a personal sense,

1153
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: but there were such good people. Players were brilliant, the

1154
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: town of the just it was just such a It's

1155
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: such a great place, and I thought that everything going

1156
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: for it. So I didn't see what you saw. You know,

1157
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 3: you saw all the industrial decline of Newcastle, and I

1158
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: just came in with fresh eyes and I said, God,

1159
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 3: unbelievable beaches, easy to get around town and obviously the

1160
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: Hunter Valley behind it. So I just I loved it.

1161
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: I just love people, loved the rugby league.

1162
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: Hey, the circumstance, So you signed for the Titans for

1163
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: two years and then they we can release you early

1164
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: a year earlier so you can go to the Knights.

1165
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, why did you pick the Knight, Like,

1166
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: was it Dad's impact on you that you chose to

1167
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: go the Knights or you just wanted to.

1168
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, holy and solely that Michael Cerle came over recruiting

1169
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: players for the new franchise, the Titans, and I wanted

1170
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: to go to the NRL because, again i'll emphasize Cooper,

1171
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 3: my first experience in professional rugby league was essentially going

1172
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: to an NRL side. It was full of Australians. The

1173
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: minute I met all those players back in Gateshead in

1174
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, and I remember walking into Shane Richardson's

1175
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: office at the time Cooper, and he had all the

1176
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: players he had signed on a four pictures, like really

1177
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: well done out a four pictures all around his office

1178
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 3: and I saw these players in these different, different looking

1179
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: jerseys with you could obviously tell it was sort of

1180
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: sun baked grounds sunshine in the background. I thought, that's

1181
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: listen to these names for Cronulla Sharks. That sounds good.

1182
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: Brisbane Broncos. There were the Adelaide Rams which were the

1183
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: funk but we've got I think Andrew Hick maybe dian

1184
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: Byrden coup from there. So I had this attraction towards Australia,

1185
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: and then you find out that the NFL was the

1186
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: elite level competition and you if you want to push yourself,

1187
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: you've got aspirations to try yourself and that. So that

1188
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: was always in the back of my mind. So when

1189
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 3: Michael Searle came over and said, would you like to

1190
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: sign for the titles, I said, yes, I would, I said,

1191
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: and he said, but we only come into the competition

1192
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven. This was two thousand and five.

1193
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 3: Started two thousand and five, I think, and I wanted

1194
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: to go and once I got into my head Cooper,

1195
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: like a lot of things I do. If I won't

1196
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 3: get into my head, I want to do it. So

1197
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: I signed with Michael Searle. But I immediately thought, I

1198
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 3: want to be in the NRL post haste. I don't

1199
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: want to wait till two thousand and seven. So I

1200
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 3: went to see Wigan and Morris was understanding, well, I

1201
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: think I think it's suited to them because I think

1202
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 3: they wanted to go in a different direction, probably as well.

1203
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: Brett Dallas, he was on the other wing at the

1204
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 3: time b d and then he was fabulous player Brett

1205
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: that was ten times a player I was. But they

1206
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: were also they were trying to edge Brett Dallas out

1207
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: and he ended up staying on a bit, but they

1208
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: did try and push him out, so they weren't standing

1209
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: in my way. And then I said to Maddie, because

1210
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: your dad himself would speak like weekly, said, I want

1211
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 3: to get to the NRL immediately, but it will only

1212
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 3: be for one year. And he said, let me let

1213
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 3: me see what I can do. And the Knight said, well,

1214
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 3: we'll take him for a year. We know he's going

1215
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 3: to the Gold Coast and we know we can't have

1216
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: him beyond one year. And then I saw, well, how

1217
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: good is this? I got to go to playing your

1218
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: dad's old club and I was good. I am good

1219
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 3: friends with Joey as well and the name that shall

1220
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: not be mentioned on this podcast. So it was a

1221
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: real And I had heard all the stories about Newcastle,

1222
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: so you know, first from Mick Jenkins, then from from

1223
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: your dad and your uncle. So for me it was

1224
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: like just was it was so good? So when I

1225
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 3: got to sign there, I went, oh, this is just

1226
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: the best.

1227
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 2: Well I was going to ask you how you found

1228
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: the football in the ni rel because it is. It

1229
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: is very different. It's a different style of football, it's

1230
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: very intense. There's been a lot of great English players

1231
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: come out here. Some did very well, some made no impact.

1232
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: So for you who came late to the game, to

1233
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: Rugbul League, this is an extraordinarily big step. Mate, Dallian

1234
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: Winger of the Year. You play the final, you make

1235
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 2: the finals with the Knights, But Dallian Winger of the Year,

1236
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 2: how do you look back at that now? That must

1237
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: be give you enormous pride.

1238
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: It does, Maddy, Yeah, it does. I'm not going to

1239
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: lie to you. It does when I and I think

1240
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: to myself, well how has that happened? Because you know

1241
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: when you said talk about different styles and all that,

1242
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: I'm I I could barely play the game, and even

1243
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: when I was at my very best, I could barely

1244
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 3: play or barely. I understood my small role in the game,

1245
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: and that was about it. I was always jealous of

1246
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 3: you guys who would see the game and it would

1247
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: make sense to you. You know, your brother is another

1248
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: great example is but all of those players know Newcast

1249
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 3: that time Danny Madeiros and Matt Gidley and Kurt Rugby

1250
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: league made sense to them. To me, it was compartmentalized

1251
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 3: into what is my job in this small corner of

1252
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 3: the field. Just do that as the best you can,

1253
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: and just trust that they've told you if you do

1254
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: that well, it'll benefit all the rest of us. And

1255
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: then I think of okay, well you do what you

1256
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 3: gotta do, and I'll just do my little piece here.

1257
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, if you Brian was, like Brian said, you know,

1258
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: the game wasn't hugely for me a to him, but

1259
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 2: as long as you know your role, I think if

1260
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: I had to compare Brian to anyone, it'll probably be Brian.

1261
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: Brian was. Brian was a great finisher, but his big

1262
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: strength was yardiage bit now Brian just off the football

1263
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: team for a second. Some of the characters there, one

1264
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: of which is Luke de Vico. I remember it took

1265
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 2: you took your rock fishing one day, which is rock

1266
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: fishing is enormously dangerous, by the way, but I.

1267
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 3: Know that now. I know that. Now Statue, we're only

1268
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 3: I was only chatting to him the other week. This

1269
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: is this is the other great thing like stay in

1270
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 3: contact with these people like Statue, I to tell each

1271
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 3: other weekly that we love each other on text message,

1272
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 3: and he said to me we were we were hungover

1273
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 3: and was we've had a big night out. It might

1274
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: have been pre season, right, he says, right. Carnie says, right,

1275
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get your act together. You want

1276
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 3: to get a missus over here, You're gonna have to

1277
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 3: get your act together. He says, you've got two chip

1278
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: teeth in the front, right, you're you've got half a

1279
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: rotten tooth in the back. And he says, you've got

1280
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 3: chest hair. He says, get into the dentist and we'll

1281
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: get them fangs fixed, he says, and get that chest

1282
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 3: hair off. I said, right, well, I just shave it,

1283
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: and he goes, no, you've got to get it waxed.

1284
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 3: If you shave it, it's gonna just come back in

1285
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: these little sorts. He said, Where are I going to

1286
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: get that done? I says, that's embarrassing walking and asking it.

1287
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 3: He says, I've got a place just down the road

1288
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 3: from where I live. He said, As I go in there,

1289
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: and I tell you what, he says, Your one's not

1290
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 3: a bad sword either. I said, okay, so I go

1291
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: in there. Honestly, well, you know this Cooper, probably it's

1292
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 3: probably like walking into a brothel. So I go in

1293
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 3: and I said hello, and it's like a women's beauty salon.

1294
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 3: I said, just here for the chest waxing. I was

1295
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 3: told to ask for Maria. Yeah, Maria's not here, said,

1296
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: he said, I'll do it. Needless to say, wasn't It

1297
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 3: wasn't as good as visually as what I was told

1298
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: Maria was. So I've gone in and I've had my

1299
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 3: chest wax then, so okay, that that looks all right.

1300
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: Go into training. The next day. My statue goes, give

1301
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 3: us a look, and I took my shirt off and

1302
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: it altern into white heads like all these spots. I

1303
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: went off for Fox, saying, statue see told me that.

1304
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: I said, it's got all these spots have come out,

1305
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: and then you go, well, I don't know, he said,

1306
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: it did happened to me. So we went out. We

1307
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: went out that Friday night or Saturday night, had a

1308
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 3: big drink, and I stayed at the statue's house and

1309
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: we woke up on a Sunday morning. So I've got

1310
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: all these spots on my thing. I'm hungover, and Statue says,

1311
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: if you want to take up fishing this year, I said, yeah, okay,

1312
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 3: so he said, here, there's a fishing place, tackle place

1313
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: down the rod reels or something. And he said, what's

1314
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: that Glendale or something like that center area. Yeah. Yeah,

1315
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: So we go in there, we buy these fishing rods.

1316
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 3: It's on a Sunday, like these expensive fish beach rods

1317
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 3: they're called, and statue go back to the statue's house

1318
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: and he goes, I've checked the tide map or the

1319
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: tithe thing tide chart, he said, and it's going to

1320
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: be like now, listen, I'm not stupid, but I thought

1321
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 3: the sort of the tide sort of come in and

1322
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 3: out at the same time every day in the morning,

1323
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 3: come in in the morning and go out at night

1324
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And he showed me this booklet where

1325
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 3: to the minute it's saying hi tide at three twenty

1326
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: two pm and then starts dropping. So we go down

1327
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: and redhead onto the onto the rocks down there. I said, Jesus,

1328
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 3: this looks a bit choppy. He says, no, no, it's definitely

1329
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 3: the tide's gone out. So I'm moaning about these spots

1330
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: on my chest and he says, stop fucking moment, sitting

1331
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: that rock. Cool there and get salt water on it.

1332
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 3: He says, I do you the world of good. So

1333
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 3: I remember sitting on a rock col and I was

1334
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 3: facing him at my back to the sea. He tells

1335
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: this story, and I'm holding my rod here still got

1336
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 3: the price on the rod and everything like that, and

1337
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 3: I'm splashing this salt water up on my chest, trying

1338
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 3: every of these spots. And he's he said that, He

1339
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 3: said you you were looking at me, and he said

1340
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: all you I could see was you go like this.

1341
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 3: After I had gone, and this wave came in and

1342
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 3: it hit me, Maddie, and it drove me across the rocks.

1343
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: It was it was like getting a massage off a

1344
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: cheese grater. With all these little like what do they

1345
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: call and winkle things that stick.

1346
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: To the rocks.

1347
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: I was barnacles. I was sliced a bit. I was

1348
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: within a foot of dropping into the sea. And it

1349
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 3: wasn't a beach, by the way, These are rocks, drop

1350
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,959
Speaker 3: straight off into the rocks. I was born to fucking shreds. Honestly,

1351
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 3: every part of me was ripped to pieces. So here

1352
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 3: I am. I managed to hold onto the rod by

1353
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: the way as well, so I've gone back to training.

1354
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: I couldn't train the next day. I was that bad,

1355
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 3: that many cuts all over my body. I couldn't train

1356
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: the next day. So I never went fishing off the

1357
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: rocks with statue again. We did some beach fishing, I mean,

1358
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: threw more leads and more weight into the sea and

1359
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: never got them back again. But yeah, Ludovico was one

1360
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 3: of the one of the great, the great characters, one

1361
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: of the.

1362
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what you spoke about the bike that

1363
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: won't be named on this podcast? Voldemont Andrew John's yea,

1364
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: what was your impressions of Joey? Because you played a

1365
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: he had a very successful year there. But what was

1366
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: your impressions of there?

1367
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 3: He exaggerates. I was. I was on the hunt for

1368
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: a female partner, and he said, listen, I've got one

1369
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: for you. He said ten out of ten. So I went,

1370
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: what really he said? I'm telling you? He says, I

1371
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 3: know her brother, she's she's a surfer, she's down the

1372
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 3: road and all that. Dada, so set up a blind day.

1373
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: I've walked in. I might not have been any oil painting,

1374
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 3: admittedly so, but this scroll was not ten out of ten,

1375
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 3: So I mean it was the I mean it was

1376
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 3: the most awkward. It's a really awkward situation. This you

1377
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 3: find yourself on it. She's all geared up for it.

1378
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 3: I was all geared up for it. I said, Joey,

1379
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 3: you said it was ten out of ten. And then

1380
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: I just sort of realized then when others were listening

1381
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 3: to this story, and he said, why did you believe

1382
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 3: he be exaggerated? So yeah, Joey was. Yeah, Joey was fabulous.

1383
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: It's but the big biggest compliment you could pay Joey

1384
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 3: is this cougar. It's probably probably a highlight of my

1385
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 3: career to say I got to play with Andrew John's No,

1386
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 3: that's I won't be alone on that. And I think

1387
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: I think he was that good and will go down

1388
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: in the annals as as that much of a great player.

1389
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 3: Human beings different, No, no, just yeah, just an absolute

1390
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: thrill to have been on the field. Sometimes. I was going,

1391
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm on set fields in yeah, because.

1392
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah mate, do you uh? I was?

1393
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: I was.

1394
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 1: I've dug really.

1395
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: Good, given it away. You never played poker, you You've

1396
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 3: got I.

1397
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: Have dug extremely deep into the archives of because you

1398
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: had you had a great year. Like Dad said before,

1399
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: Dally and winger. He had some excellent tries, some even

1400
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: better try savers. But there was a moment that you're

1401
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: probably pretty famous for when Ryan Cross made a break

1402
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: and you ended up stripping not just his shorts off,

1403
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: but also ripping his undi's over as well and left

1404
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: him bear butt naked in the try area. Have you

1405
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 1: got any that, Cooper?

1406
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 3: Do you know what was even worse? Cameras don't show it.

1407
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: My hand's actually gone either side of his cheeks, and

1408
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: his cheeks have gone either side of my hand. I've

1409
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 3: sliced them right down the middle.

1410
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: The credit cards white.

1411
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 3: Well, what I've dug.

1412
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Really deep here, and I've found a because Dad at

1413
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: this stage wasn't playing. Dad was in the media doing

1414
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,959
Speaker 1: the footy show, and Dad did.

1415
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: A start a long time before that.

1416
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: Dad had Dad's doing a skit at this stage where

1417
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: he's a he's a fake reporter and he goes like

1418
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: and interviews Ryan Cross as though you've done some sort

1419
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: of perverse act on him, and I've got it. I've

1420
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: cut it down here. So we've got the audio that

1421
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to play for you to bring back

1422
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: some memories. So here it is so.

1423
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: Most of us he is a rising star of the NRL. Beautiful,

1424
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: statue esque and more than anything symmetrical. But tonight I'll

1425
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 2: paint a very different picture of Brian Kearney. Illustration of

1426
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: a deviot. Earlier this week, sensational allegations emerged from a

1427
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: player within NRL's glamor club, the Sydney Roosters, that paint

1428
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 2: Brian Kenney in a very different light. Before the game,

1429
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: he came up to me, it's had a really nice

1430
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 2: ass a time. I'm leaving alone, But he said, one

1431
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: way or the other, I'm going to say.

1432
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 3: It after the incident, how did you feel? I just

1433
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 3: felt the violators.

1434
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 2: And true distort to complete the interview. Told me afterwards

1435
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: that Brian Kearney, like some kind of sick, perverted monster,

1436
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 2: fronted him after the match and actually asked for the

1437
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 2: torn underwear like some kind of perverse souvenir. But I'll

1438
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: leave it up to you for any bowl assumption. Brian

1439
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: Canney pants man or pants man?

1440
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's a really that's a really good piece. That's

1441
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 3: what I like that.

1442
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: Now, Brian, you leave Newcastle, You've got to fulfill the

1443
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: two you deal with the Titans. But you go there

1444
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: and you just realize, you know, I just need to

1445
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: be home. I do hear that. Brian did the first

1446
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 2: training session, trained the house down and finished with like

1447
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: a Churchillian speech to the whole, to the whole squad,

1448
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 2: then went home and said, actually I'm out.

1449
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anthony Mark Minichello was over here playing for Hold

1450
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: a Scene a great stint over here, and I was

1451
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: doing the commentary for Sky and every time you'd see me,

1452
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: you'd go free of He was there when I when

1453
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: I when I said that, whatever I said, it was

1454
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I had this sort of thing, buddy.

1455
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,959
Speaker 3: At the end of two days and six and Newcastle,

1456
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: all the year went well for me on the field,

1457
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 3: and I loved old people I was playing with. I

1458
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: remember being just sort of like personally unhappy, and I

1459
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: was thinking, I don't know where I'm going with my life,

1460
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 3: all these sort of things. But what age I was

1461
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: at thirty? Maybe?

1462
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: What was I thirty five?

1463
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: I can't even thirty five. I don't think it was

1464
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 3: that all. No, I was thirty one. And then so

1465
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: I thought, right, I'll play the Try Nations against Australian

1466
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 3: New Zealand for Great Britain and then I'll I'll head

1467
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 3: home to England and then I'll be okay. After break

1468
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 3: it home, I'll be ready to go back and join

1469
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: the titles. So that was all good played. The try

1470
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 3: nations came back, came back here to England and then

1471
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 3: it came time to go. Okay, all right, yeah it'll

1472
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: be different. I'll go with it. Get to Manchester Airport.

1473
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that I had forty extra kilos of

1474
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 3: baggage and they were charged me a thousand pounds for

1475
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 3: the extra kilo. I said, all can I upgrade with

1476
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 3: seats and all that? And he goes. So what I'm

1477
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 3: saying is I was committed to go and I paid

1478
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 3: like a thousand pounds for my excess baggage. Your man

1479
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 3: was a wigging fan in the end, so he gave

1480
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: me a really hard time, charged me a thousand pounds

1481
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 3: and then afterwards says, you wouldn't do a favor, would

1482
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 3: you sign this from your son? So anyway, so so

1483
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 3: flew over. So when I landed, Scott Saddler was a

1484
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 3: football manager and I was waiting for my bags at

1485
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 3: the Gold Coast Airport, which I was a cool and

1486
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 3: Gada airport, tiny airport and I just was like, I

1487
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 3: don't know whether I was GENTI I had this feeling

1488
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: come home and now I don't want to be here,

1489
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 3: really weird. So Scott start that picked me up, drove

1490
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: me to meet all the players who had just done

1491
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 3: a training session, and we're having a signing session and

1492
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 3: a meal at some Surf Life Saving club or something,

1493
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: and so I said, a load of them all. And

1494
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: I hadn't got accommodation sorted out, so they had arranged

1495
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 3: for me to stay with Michael Henderson in his spare room.

1496
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 3: So I bunking Michael Henderson's bare room. We've got to

1497
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: go training the next day, and I'm starting to this

1498
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 3: is starting to get louder and louder. I don't want

1499
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 3: to be here. So I go for a walk down

1500
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: the down down the street at at Gold cop and

1501
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 3: I remember ringing I think was Chris Bailey, Phil Phil's

1502
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 3: brother Chris at the time, and he goes, oh, you

1503
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 3: settled in, and go oh yeah, I don't know if

1504
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: this place is me made. There's all these high rises

1505
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 3: and everything, and he goes, ah, yeah, yeah, get into

1506
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: it anyway, chat to you tomorrow. Went to training the

1507
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: next day. He did a field session and in my

1508
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 3: head's just getting louder and louder. Then did a gym session.

1509
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 3: It's getting louder and louder. And then I go back

1510
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 3: to Michael Henderson's house and I go, right, that's it.

1511
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 3: So I pick up the phone and I ring Michael

1512
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: Cearle and he goes, I text, Michael Cearle, can I

1513
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 3: come in and see it? And he goes, sure, buddy,

1514
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 3: in the office, still six and I'd landed two days ago.

1515
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 3: I'd seen Michael Thurrow once since then, and I had

1516
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: a field session and a gym session. So I go

1517
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 3: into the offices, Titans offices and secretaries there I see

1518
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: here for the first say hey, Brian, how you doing?

1519
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 3: And I'm sort of trying to hey, how you doing?

1520
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 3: But I think I know why I'm going here. Go

1521
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 3: into his office and Michael Thrower goes, geez, I'm glad

1522
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 3: you came. This has been getting in the way. And

1523
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: it was a Gold Coast Titans surfboard with number four

1524
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: because I was there fourth signing, and he goes, this

1525
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 3: is for you, and I go just hold off that

1526
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: for a second, right, I said, I think I'm going

1527
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 3: to go home and he went what I said, I

1528
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: don't think I can do it. He goes, what are

1529
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: you talking about? I said, I don't. I can't probably

1530
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 3: explain it, but I said, feelings that have been building

1531
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 3: up for over a year, since last year in my head.

1532
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 3: I said, they've come to the fore now and I

1533
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 3: can't do it. I want to go home. He says, well,

1534
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 3: what do you want to break for two weeks? Do

1535
01:18:58,240 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 3: you want to? I said no, I just want to

1536
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: go home. He said, what are you going to do?

1537
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. He said, are you sure

1538
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 3: about this? I said, I said I know myself. I said,

1539
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: even if I'm wrong, I'm still going to do it.

1540
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 3: So I went back, tried to explain to Michael Henderson

1541
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 3: that Portfole. I didn't know whether he was called con.

1542
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 3: I said, sorry, Michael, I'm going. He goes where we

1543
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 3: found the house, and I'm going back back to England.

1544
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Manchester, So yeah, go back to.

1545
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: So Glenn Workman who was our conditioning coach at Gateshead.

1546
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: He was an Aussie. He lived just down the road

1547
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 3: and I rang him. I was I was in a

1548
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 3: pretty desperate state as well, because I think I'm walking

1549
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 3: out of here, said work out. Can I come and

1550
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 3: stay with you? I'd had my boxes from Newcastle sent

1551
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 3: up to his house and he looked after him until

1552
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: I found a place. So he said, yeah, yeah, come

1553
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 3: come over mate. So John Cartwright, who was the coach

1554
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: at the Titans, he rang. He said, listen, he said.

1555
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 3: Michael Thyles was telling me what's going on. He said,

1556
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 3: let me come and pick you up and I'll bring

1557
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 3: you to Glenn Workman's. So John Cartwright just as what's

1558
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 3: going on? I told him exactly what I told you,

1559
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 3: and I don't think it made sense to him, probably

1560
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 3: like it doesn't make sense to you, and probably like

1561
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: it doesn't really make sense to me when I tell

1562
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 3: the story. So he dropped me to He didn't try

1563
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 3: and dissuade me. He just sort of he was puzzled

1564
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 3: a little, I think as we drove then got to

1565
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 3: Glenn Workman's house. He he took me in and then

1566
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 3: I went down to Sydney, stated Willie Peters, and then

1567
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 3: flew back to England. I did not do anything, not

1568
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 3: to no job, no nothing.

1569
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: Hey, can I ask you, Brian, because you obviously go on,

1570
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, to play Irish rugby Union for your country.

1571
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 1: But like in hindsight, now do you do you do

1572
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: you see it as the right decision?

1573
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: It's a good question, Cooper. Do you know what, Cooper?

1574
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 3: If I somebody had shackled me to a room for

1575
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 3: a week and said just stay here for a week

1576
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 3: and tell you well, I think though, Cooper, I know myself.

1577
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: When I get something in my head that's it right

1578
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 3: or wrong, I tend to just do it, and I

1579
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 3: is it the right of the wrong decision. I wouldn't

1580
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: be sitting here now had I made that, had I

1581
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 3: not made that choice. So that is just how life works,

1582
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 3: isn't it. You just take you take a left turn

1583
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 3: when you should have taken a right turn, or you

1584
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 3: could have taken a right turn. My life changed totally

1585
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: after making that decision. So I don't know whether it

1586
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 3: was the right or wrong decision in general. For me

1587
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 3: at that time, it was the right decision.

1588
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: Who know, you could have had if you'd staid it

1589
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: could have been Sunday Nights with Brian Khney.

1590
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: Or doublet Evtt and Costella.

1591
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: So is there any day of the week that's not

1592
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 3: been taken yet?

1593
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: Now it has. I'm working, I'm working really hard on Wednesdayes.

1594
01:21:56,160 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: At the moment, yeah, I see a slop monopolizing by us.

1595
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 2: Said you arrived home, you've got you've got nothing, you

1596
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what you want to do. When did

1597
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: the Irish Rebunion reach out?

1598
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 3: Right? I got home and it's it's like, it's not

1599
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: big news in England. Brian Carney doesn't doesn't sign with

1600
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: the Titans. It was bigger news back in Australia. So

1601
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 3: I go back to the house and I don't feel

1602
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 3: like leaving the house, particularly for a few days and

1603
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But I got my friends sort of

1604
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 3: back at Wigan and they said what But they're all

1605
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 3: doing their thing, They're they're playing and they've got jobs

1606
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 3: to go to and I'm not doing anything. And I'm

1607
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 3: not from ultimately, I'm not from England and my family

1608
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 3: spread around the world and they're bringing me saying okay,

1609
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: what are you doing? What are you going to do?

1610
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: And I'm saying, I don't know. I might go back

1611
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 3: to university, might study again, which was genuinely I was

1612
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: thinking about doing that. Billy Pton was at your Great Mate.

1613
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: Billy was at London Broncos as their conditioning coach, and

1614
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 3: I had Billy at Newcastle in two thousand and six

1615
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 3: and he said, listen, why don't you come down to

1616
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 3: London and just come down stay with me for a

1617
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 3: couple of days. So this is I've been back about

1618
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 3: a month at this stage, back in England. So I

1619
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 3: went down to stay with Billy and the girls and

1620
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: I had a great time with Billy and we went

1621
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 3: out for a beer and he said, listen, Tony Ray,

1622
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: who's coached the Broncos here, he's wants to know if

1623
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: you want to come and play for long the Broncos.

1624
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 3: I said, Billy, I'm not just left walk down and

1625
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 3: go because I don't need want play rugby league anymore.

1626
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 3: He has no problem to all. I'm only asking because

1627
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: I said I'd asked, but I will never ask again.

1628
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: And Billy, you know what Billy was like, killed Billy

1629
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 3: to do something he didn't want to do if he

1630
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 3: didn't feel it was the right thing. So anyway, didn't

1631
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 3: do anything, didn't do anything. And then somebody, Terry O'Connor,

1632
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: I think it was said to me. Listen, he said

1633
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: Graham Steedman, who played for castleber a great career playing

1634
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,839
Speaker 3: for Castle. Really talent. Yeah, exactly right. He was defensive

1635
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 3: coach for Land rugby union. Terry says, Steady's Steady's been

1636
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: in contact. He's keen to get you over to rugby union.

1637
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: Would you be interested? And I said, I don't think so, Terry.

1638
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 3: I haven't played rugby union since I was in secondary

1639
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 3: or yeah, secondary the end of the secondary school. And

1640
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 3: then he says, oh, well listen. He says, they're keen.

1641
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 3: Do want to have to think about it. So then

1642
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: as the weeks rolled on, I'm sort of looking at

1643
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 3: myself saying I've got to do something. Really, I've got

1644
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 3: to make a decision, shit, or you know, get off

1645
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: the pot. I'm going to go to university, play rugby

1646
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 3: league again, or play play rugby union. So I ultimately

1647
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 3: ended up meeting London. I'll never forget it. The London

1648
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 3: over he rang and he said, I'll come and meet you, Brian,

1649
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: but it must be the screet meeting. I said, well,

1650
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: they absolutely, I don't know what to do. Let's have

1651
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 3: a discreet meeting. So we met in this place in

1652
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 3: the outskirts of Wigan and he was trying to sell

1653
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 3: me the London Broncos pitch. So I'm in there waiting

1654
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 3: for him. He walks into his London Broncos nach jacket

1655
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 3: like head to toe Broncos on the back and all that.

1656
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 3: This is three yeah. So he offers me a deal

1657
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: at London, which I was keen at doing because it'd

1658
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 3: be something really different playing at London if you live

1659
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: over here, would be very different playing at Wigan or

1660
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: Wakefield or Hole or anything like that. And then I

1661
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: also had the Rugby Union. They came in. They came

1662
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 3: in with an offer. So I was invited onto a

1663
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 3: TV show, Over your Boots and all better version of

1664
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 3: what you guys do at Fox and Eddie Hemmings was hosting,

1665
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: and Eddie said, listen, do you know what you're going

1666
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 3: to do? And I said, Eddie, I honestly don't know

1667
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 3: what I'm going to do. I got off the one

1668
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 3: Never Forget. I got off the TV show and there

1669
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 3: was a call from Terry Terry O'Connor saying, listen, if

1670
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 3: you if if you're going to go to Ireland, you

1671
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: have to fly to Dublin tomorrow because you're going to

1672
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 3: be centrally contracted by the Irish Rugby Union. They're going

1673
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 3: to put you at a club called Munster and they're

1674
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 3: going to register you for their Heineken Cup, the European

1675
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: Cup squad, but it all has to be done tomorrow.

1676
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 3: So I went, okay, let's do that then. So I

1677
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 3: flew the next day to Dublin, did a fitness test

1678
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: of sorts. Mick mcgerrn, who used to be my conditioning

1679
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,839
Speaker 3: coach in rugby league, was actually our rugby union conditioning

1680
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 3: coach and signed the deal and probably I would say,

1681
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 3: seven days later this is how Surrella gets. I'm rooming.

1682
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the name shortly. With one of the

1683
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 3: greatest rugby union players I've ever seen play the game

1684
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: before I played from Munster against Ulster up in Belfast,

1685
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 3: was Christian Cullen.

1686
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I was talking about cum the other day.

1687
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 3: Wow, phenomenal. So the Ulster had Christian Cullen as well,

1688
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 3: so this is surreal. So I mean with room with

1689
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 3: Christian Cullen about to play rugby union game for the

1690
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: first time in a decade or over a decade. So

1691
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: so yeah, So that was it, And then got to

1692
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 3: do a tour to Argentina with Ireland Rugby Union. So

1693
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 3: I got taken to the two thousand and seven World Cup.

1694
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 3: Didn't play a game, but I was a squad member,

1695
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 3: which is a great experience. Again and left from the

1696
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 3: union then in two thousand and nine to for a

1697
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 3: brief and stuff stints back in the league.

1698
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 2: Brian Bryant, okay, Rish rugby union. You're an irishman. How

1699
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 2: different though, did you find the Irish rugby union players

1700
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 2: compared to the Australian rugby league players night and.

1701
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 3: Day, night and day. But bear in mind two thousand

1702
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 3: and seven. I mean, it's a long time ago now,

1703
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 3: but it hadn't been that long since they had turned professional, professional,

1704
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 3: fully professional. So a lot of the guys in the

1705
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 3: squad that was there at me, I'm just getting they

1706
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: they're taking the kids to school over here, and a

1707
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 3: lot of the guys had gone from that amateur era,

1708
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: Maddie into the professional era. So that I mean, they

1709
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 3: tell the great They tell great stories. They say one

1710
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 3: day we're getting nothing for training and the next day

1711
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 3: we're on an eighty thousand pounds a year contract for

1712
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 3: doing the very same twenty two days a week and

1713
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 3: playing one game. Well I found them. I found them very,

1714
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 3: very willing to do exactly what the coach has said

1715
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and find my way through an

1716
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 3: answer here. They were very willing to do whatever the

1717
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 3: coaches said as long as it made sense, they would

1718
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,440
Speaker 3: do it and not question it. I found them relatively

1719
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 3: unquestioning in that sense, and the rugby league players were

1720
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 3: a more ferocious bunch. Rugby union guys were very They're

1721
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 3: big physically big, you know what they're But in terms

1722
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 3: of mentality, the rugby player was a different animal, right,

1723
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 3: it was a different beast. I'd almost say that holds

1724
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 3: true again today. I always say it's like boxing in UFC.

1725
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying when you try and find analogies, but I

1726
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: would have rugby league as UFC and then rugby union

1727
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 3: as boxing. But there are far I found far. I

1728
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 3: found far more ferocious players in rugby league than in

1729
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 3: rugby union.

1730
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 2: Okay, talking about ferocity, you mentioned that game you play.

1731
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 2: You played a test match for Ireland against Argentina in

1732
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 2: the Bonbonnier Bocca Stadium. How how was that?

1733
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Well, we went it was. Experience in Argentina was unbelievable.

1734
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 3: So here I am money. I'm going from that. Had

1735
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 3: a good, good experience in Newcastle with the Knights because

1736
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 3: rugby league in Australia is an is an elevation from

1737
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: rugby league in England. So even little things like flying

1738
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: to to play you know, Queens North Queensland, so you

1739
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 3: fly to Brisbane, double hop up to North Queensland. This

1740
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 3: is exotic sounding stuff and flying over to play the

1741
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: Warriors and you think this is pretty big, big time.

1742
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 3: We're going to play Argentina in this test series and

1743
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 3: we fly you know, business class down to Brazil, from

1744
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 3: Brazil to Buenos Aires. We stay in Buenos Aires and

1745
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 3: they take us out too. I think it was Santa Fay,

1746
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 3: I think was where we played the first Test and

1747
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 3: we go out, We drive for two hours of police

1748
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 3: escort out into the middle of Argentina and we go

1749
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: to this this stadium and it is like you see

1750
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 3: when you watch the soccer matches from you know, back

1751
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 3: in the day, big vast open stadiums. And when it

1752
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 3: came to game day, I've played in great atmospheres and

1753
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 3: be lucky to play in some great stadia.

1754
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: This was the.

1755
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 3: Loudest atmosphere, wasn't the biggest crowd that I've ever played

1756
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 3: in front of. And there were forty five thousand or

1757
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 3: something like that there. It was the loudest I've ever

1758
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 3: played it. They never shut up for the entire game, chanting,

1759
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: banging seats, jumping up and down in waves. It was

1760
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,480
Speaker 3: an incredible atmosphere, incredible.

1761
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 1: Did you play with them? Did you play with Brian

1762
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: and Driskul there as well?

1763
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 3: Was he He wasn't on that tour, but I've played

1764
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 3: with him, Yeah, I played with him. He was phenomenal player.

1765
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 3: He could have played League Cooper. It'd have been an

1766
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 3: unbelievably good league.

1767
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: Player position in league, do you think?

1768
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 3: Probably center? Probably center as well. Oh, he was so

1769
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 3: talented and they all love league. They all loved league.

1770
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 3: I think the ones that didn't like it so much

1771
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 3: were maybe some of the guys who were specialists scrummagers

1772
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 3: or line outs and stuff like that. But anybody that

1773
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 3: had their hands on the ball frequently was genuinely had

1774
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 3: the utmost admiration for league. Ryan Driscoll played at Leinster

1775
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 3: and at that time Munster and Leinster had a great rivalry.

1776
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 3: Munster were more successful. They won two European Cups within

1777
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 3: three years. I think it was Munster had like an

1778
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 3: unbelievable pack of forwards and then to an Irish scrum

1779
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 3: half and an Irish out half Peter Stringer and Ronro

1780
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 3: Garrett and then it sort of was felt it dropped

1781
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 3: off in ability after that. Leinster were the reverse. They

1782
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 3: didn't have a strong four pack, but at unbelievable backs

1783
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 3: and Brian O'Driscoll was star amongst them. One of the

1784
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 3: moves they had was called a Gidley because they used

1785
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: to watch Matt Gidley at the time playing for Newcastle

1786
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 3: and then for Saint Helen's, and they put on a

1787
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 3: back move and called it Gidley because it was designed

1788
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: to have the center in a bit of space where

1789
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 3: he could bring the opposition winger in and then flick

1790
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 3: it out to his to his teammates. So they have

1791
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 3: an awful lot of admiration for a belief.

1792
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 2: Tell us the story about when you and Andrew you

1793
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 2: play the Warriors and you're wandering through Auckland and you

1794
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 2: hear this hustle and bassel it's the Irish rugby Union.

1795
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 2: This is before Brian went to Irish rugby Union. The

1796
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 2: Irish rugby union side are on the piece inside.

1797
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 3: We yeah, we went to We went to play the

1798
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 3: Warriors and Ireland were playing a Test match against New

1799
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: Zealand the All Blacks in uh it was Auckland in Auckland.

1800
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 3: So we went to the test match i think the

1801
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 3: night before and they got us some tickets and we're

1802
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 3: staying in the same hotel, so we got us some

1803
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 3: tickets and we had to go and play the Warriors

1804
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: the next day. So we played the Warriors and we

1805
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 3: got beaten by them. But we then were invited to

1806
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 3: Ruben Wickie's club, his junior club, and they had this

1807
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 3: calva thing. Oh, so we were sort of told we

1808
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 3: weren't we weren't being allowed. We weren't allowed to drink,

1809
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 3: but we could have some cava and then we had

1810
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 3: to go back to the hotel. So of course, like

1811
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 3: people said, oh it's good. It's a bit like works

1812
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 3: like an works like alcohol, nums and all that. So

1813
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 3: we're ripping in and then but they say it strictly

1814
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 3: no drink. So we go, right, we'll get it, go

1815
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,759
Speaker 3: back to the hotel. So we go JT. The ol Kipman,

1816
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 3: Johnny Thomas, JT. Joey and myself get a taxi back

1817
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 3: to Newcastle. Now it was bat back to up and

1818
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: back to the hotel. So it drops us off near

1819
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 3: the hotel and we've got about twenty meters to go

1820
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 3: to get in the front door of the hotel and

1821
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 3: you can hearly literally lightly this like Irish music. And

1822
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 3: I go, where's that coming from? And the town was

1823
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 3: sort of dark at that stage by this one place

1824
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 3: that lights going on, and we went. We looked at

1825
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 3: each other, so we just have a look in. So

1826
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 3: we walked down. Me Jt said, Nah, okay, gone on

1827
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 3: downn We've got an early start because we've got like

1828
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 3: a five am bus start the next day. So so

1829
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 3: Joey said, right, we'll go down for one. So we

1830
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 3: went in, open the doors and it was like a

1831
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 3: scene from a carnival. It was absolutely heaving, all Irish people,

1832
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: all jumping up and down with live music. So I

1833
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 3: get my phone a ring statue, I said, get Giggs

1834
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 3: Matt Gidley and tell them to get to this place

1835
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 3: as soon as you can. It's unreal, So bum in

1836
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 3: we go. So sure enough we find out pretty quickly

1837
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: there's a few of the Irish players in there, Brian

1838
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 3: driscoll as amongst them. There's only a couple of them actually,

1839
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 3: So we go in there and we get on it

1840
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 3: and you can barely move into place. Next thing, shirts

1841
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 3: are off and Matt Gidley comes in, statue comes in,

1842
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 3: no no don Famously, Joey gets BRIANO driscoll up on

1843
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 3: his shoulders. Right, Brian Driscoll's got the shirt off. He's

1844
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 3: well worse for the wear. He was. He was at

1845
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 3: that sort of stage in his life. He was a bit,

1846
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 3: he was, he was a little off the rails and

1847
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 3: the Irish papers were starting to pick up on us.

1848
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 3: Does Brian and Driscoll need to stop drinking or take

1849
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 3: his rugby union more seriously? So Joey's got him up

1850
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: on the shoulders and they're going around the bar like

1851
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 3: this and everybody's backslapping and it's all good. And statues

1852
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 3: in there and Matt gids is in there anyway. Next

1853
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: next thing, somebody goes, hey, that's Craig Smith at the window.

1854
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 3: So we looked and it's Craig Smith, who was our

1855
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: prop Kiwi guy Keey international great player and he's in

1856
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 3: a full track se and he's banging on the window

1857
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 3: going get out, get out. We went what get out

1858
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 3: and starts pointing towards his watch and it was like

1859
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 3: four point fifteen, right, four p fifteen, we've got a

1860
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 3: five o'clock bus. We lost track of time, totally lost

1861
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 3: track of time. And then anyway, so we get we get,

1862
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 3: we get drive back to the hotel and Joey says, oh,

1863
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 3: this is going to be painful. This is gonna be

1864
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 3: you'll need a sleeping tablet for this. Yeah, so we said,

1865
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 3: all right, Well he said take a while for it

1866
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 3: to kick in though, so we'll take it back. It

1867
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 3: took us four of us get on the bus. We

1868
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 3: are absolutely waiting for us on the bus, so all

1869
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 3: in their track seeds. We get back to the room,

1870
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 3: try and stuff our bags full of stuff. Anyway, basically,

1871
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 3: long story short. I think we woke up in Sydney, right,

1872
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 3: they carried us through the airport, woke up in Sydney,

1873
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 3: got in trouble with the club, got fined papers. Back

1874
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 3: in Ireland, they carry this photograph of Briano Drisco with

1875
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 3: the story you know, has the party and something like

1876
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: that gone too far? And it was Briano Drisco being

1877
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 3: carried shirtless, being carried around the bar in all Oakland,

1878
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 3: and the guy carrying them is like, got this strain

1879
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 3: on his face as he's trying to lift his weight

1880
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,680
Speaker 3: and says Briano Drisco's carried on the shoulders of an

1881
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 3: unknown fan. Yeah, Joey, yeah, the main papers.

1882
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well Brian you had great success in union.

1883
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 2: As it said before, you you represent Ireland, you play

1884
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 2: for Monster, Manster windsor European Cap. Then you go back

1885
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,400
Speaker 2: to rugby league. It's a brief one there, you break

1886
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 2: your arm plan for Warrington. You call time, when you

1887
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 2: call time on that vast career, se many experiences. What

1888
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 2: what was the emotion? Was it relief?

1889
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 3: I never heard it described as relief, but that's an

1890
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 3: interesting one. Just just that's it, Maddie, that was it?

1891
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 3: You know, fortunate enough to do what I did? I

1892
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 3: wasn't you know? I never grew up wanting to be

1893
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 3: a rugby league player because I think, you know, well,

1894
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 3: I think that is so beautiful and I see these guys.

1895
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 3: All you ever wanted to do is play for Wigan.

1896
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 3: I said, you got to live your dream. You played

1897
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 3: for Wigan. How good is that? You only want to

1898
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: play for Caranola or Brisbane. That's that's that's a really

1899
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 3: cool thing. But if all you ever wanted to do

1900
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 3: was be a rugby league player. I'd see it as

1901
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 3: a curse. Sometimes it's just so much pressure to be something.

1902
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 3: So I never wanted to be a rugby league player,

1903
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 3: so I never whenever it was that desperate to do it.

1904
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 3: So when it finished, I just said, right, okay, that's it,

1905
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 3: that's done. Yeah, okay, we'll move on. And I haven't

1906
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 3: given it too much thought, to be honest with you,

1907
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 3: since retiring.

1908
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: Well you might have heard of it in retirement sky Sports.

1909
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 2: You're a presenter commentary, do interview shows. You enjoy it?

1910
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Brian will put it this way, how long did it

1911
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 2: because it takes a little bit of time. How long

1912
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 2: did it take for you to feel comfortable and enjoy it?

1913
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 3: Oh, probably about ten years, And it's you're right, probably

1914
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 3: it's only roughly. It's only around now where I'm more

1915
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 3: codable and I can enjoy it. And I've listened to

1916
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 3: your council for years on it. You got there earlier

1917
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 3: than that most people would do. But there there will

1918
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 3: come a time when you do it and you're going

1919
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 3: to go, oh, this is a bit okay. I'm relaxed

1920
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,799
Speaker 3: now and I don't have to do paint paint by numbers.

1921
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 3: It's a bit like playing I never got that way

1922
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 3: playing playing with never can never got to the stage

1923
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 3: Maney where I go. Yes, I can't wait to impose

1924
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 3: myself on this game. It was always geez. I just

1925
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 3: hope I can do exactly what I was asked to

1926
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 3: do in my small compartment, compartmentalized part of the game.

1927
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 3: This is different. I love doing what I do. I

1928
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 3: feel like I can, you know, I can get in

1929
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 3: the flow of something and get involved and engaged. And yeah,

1930
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 3: this but only only probably more recently. But then again,

1931
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 3: it bite you on the arse, doesn't it. Just when

1932
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 3: you start thinking.

1933
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 2: It's okay, you think, oh, this is easy. Sometimes you

1934
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 2: just turn up on the show and your tongue toded.

1935
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 2: I find it.

1936
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and nothing's working.

1937
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: Most importantly in retirement, family, wife, Rebecca, two of the

1938
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 2: most beautiful girls, Shay and all that. And you just

1939
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 2: live on a semi rural property. And remember Jack was

1940
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 2: there last year. Mate. You got you got the sheep,

1941
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,519
Speaker 2: you got the horses, you got the chickens made it's

1942
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: all happening. The goats, the goats, the.

1943
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 3: Donkeys, two donkeys, three goats, four sheep, three horses, about

1944
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 3: two dozen chickens and six cockrels. We can't get rid

1945
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 3: of here. I can hear it in the background now.

1946
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 3: I took my eye off the ball really because we've

1947
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 3: got we've got layers. And she said, you make sure

1948
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 3: you get them off to the eggs all the time

1949
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 3: because if they get broody, even they sit on the eggs.

1950
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 3: So so I've gone on the sort of took my

1951
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 3: eye off the ball. It was one of the chickens

1952
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 3: she was she was nesting for a while, and I thought,

1953
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 3: I can't take her off the now because there's probably

1954
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 3: chicks in there. And we've had four cockrels. You can't

1955
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 3: give them away. Nobody wants cockrels.

1956
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 2: When we stayed there last year, what woke us up

1957
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 2: every morning as soon as the sun Actually, the cockrel

1958
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 2: was fucking crowing an hour before the sun come up.

1959
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going, they're going for it now it's full

1960
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 3: sunshine here. When I went out and fed before we

1961
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 3: did this, they're they're they're locked up, obviously, but then

1962
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 3: they're in near inside making a noise. Then the donkey

1963
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 3: start so but listen, I'd rather those sounds than engine noises.

1964
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:25,560
Speaker 3: And taxis deep it.

1965
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks for thanks for giving us an hour.

1966
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 1: It's been at a long enning. It's probably been our longest,

1967
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: so I appreciate you coming on there.

1968
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 3: Brian, Jack can be doing some fucking editing.

1969
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 2: Brian made listen man. We appreciate it. And as it's funny.

1970
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: I ran into an irishman last week in the city

1971
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 2: and he said, ah, your mates with that Brian Carney,

1972
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 2: and I said, mate, we're not mates, we're family.

1973
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,759
Speaker 3: I feel that way. I do. I do. I remember

1974
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 3: these two Jack and Cooper. I remember going around to

1975
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 3: Chorley when they were little boys as well, and most

1976
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 3: beautiful kids. Do you remember the time when Trish had

1977
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 3: to go back to Australia.

1978
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Jeez, okay, yeah, so he's told this a few times,

1979
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 1: so it's yeah.

1980
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 2: So Cooper Cooper had this thing people right whereas he'd

1981
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:19,719
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning, you'd hear him like laughing,

1982
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,560
Speaker 2: and it was like there was a foot race to

1983
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: get in there because he was trying to wake you up,

1984
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 2: and if you weren't in there, within about thirty seconds

1985
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 2: to a minute, he'd peel his nappy off and literally

1986
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 2: start to play with all the all his ship and

1987
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: there was ship mate. Anyway, Trish went back.

1988
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: Some things never changed.

1989
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,280
Speaker 2: Trish went back to Australia for a few weeks with

1990
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 2: family illness, came back and there was I was there,

1991
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 2: having to look after two boys. I don't know how

1992
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: he survived, I'll be honest, I look back now, how

1993
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 2: did I do that? And Brian had come over and

1994
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 2: we'd all sort of give us you get a ride

1995
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 2: to training and would drop you boys at the at

1996
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 2: the crash the daycare, which which I'll never forget. What

1997
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 2: a beautiful woman she was Andy Farrell's mum ran it.

1998
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 2: She was such a beautiful woman. But anyway, this certain day,

1999
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 2: I'm running late for train and alarm doesn't go off.

2000
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 2: But and I go, oh, Jesus, how long has he

2001
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 2: been talking for? I run in there and honestly, you've

2002
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 2: never seen so much shit in your life. There's ship

2003
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 2: through your hair, it's in your ears, it's everywhere, and

2004
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm going, Jesus, what's going to go. Brian's going to

2005
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 2: pick us up in a minute. Anyway, Grab you and

2006
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 2: I'll throw you in the bath and I'll scrubbing your way. Yep, okay,

2007
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 2: all good. We turn up at the crash. I'm holding

2008
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 2: you either your hands and as we're walking in missus

2009
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 2: Farrells and there go, Ah, how the boys go muddy?

2010
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 2: I said, are they're going good? And I looked down

2011
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 2: Cooper and on your left hand had a big clump

2012
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 2: of shit right on the top of your hand, and

2013
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 2: I just went flick, just flicked it off.

2014
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 3: You do the.

2015
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 2: Give give it the old flick and then licked the

2016
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,160
Speaker 2: thumb and quick there we go. No, how I'm done.

2017
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 3: You were this big long spaghetti surfer hair Cooper, and

2018
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 3: that was buttered with ship.

2019
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Brian, It's been a pleasure to pass on my regards

2020
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 2: to Rebecca Alla and Shay Brother. Love you all, love

2021
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 2: you too. Goodbye Brian, Brian.

2022
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 3: Give somebody else a chance. Set your boys, you boys

2023
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 3: h