WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 23 April 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.439 Welcome, Wait bad. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.680 Thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.160 and Caleb Bond coming up tonight. Former NRL star John 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.599 Hoppowate avoids jail for driving offenses. But wait until you 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.880 hear what the court did dish out as a punishment, 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.720 and when we get to the papers, the Albanesi government's 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.880 plan to curry favor with the Trump administration over defense, 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.240 and people racing to rearrange their finances ahead of an 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:36.600 anticipated Labor Greens alliance after the election. Speaking of the 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.640 Labor Party, they're under fire today for failing to disendorse 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:46.360 a candidate who accused the Pope of supporting pedophilia. Helen Medel, 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.600 who's running for the Labor seat for Labor in the 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.920 Queensland seat of Flynn, made the comment on Twitter five 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.440 years ago. Was in response to someone else's tweet about 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:03.040 Pope Francis visiting Iraq to promote justice. She tweeted in response, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.440 don't know how he can promote common values. I hope 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.800 no one else embraces the value of ongoing support of pedos. 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.520 Now the Coalition have demanded senior Labour MPs condemn the 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.600 comments and disindorse the candidate, but Claire O'Neil, among others, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.120 has refused to do so. Here she is speaking on 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.319 television this morning. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.000 She made some intemperate comments five years ago, and I 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.360 think if we're counting out anyone who's ever said anything intemperate, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.160 then most people in Australia are probably never going to 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.000 be eligible to sit for parliament. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.920 Indeed, now the comments were slanderous. Helen Medel, for her part, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.400 has conceded she could have chosen her words more carefully, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:49.000 which is something of a concession. But the question remains, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.520 should she be condemned and disindorsed or is this trawling 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.639 through people's social media history and a kind of weird 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.000 archaeological dig something that should stop. Calebin Lie. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.040 Of course it has to stop. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.760 I mean, for heaven's sake, if we're going to judge 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.320 everyone on something they've said in the past, as Clara 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.639 O'Neill says, everyone would not meet the standard to get 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.680 into politics. And I think that's part of the problem 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.520 now is you have a lot of people who don't 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.360 even make it to the preselection stage of politics because 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.520 you know, the party's gone back and dug up something 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.639 and said, Ah, you know, it'll come out that when 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:27.040 you were twenty four years old you slept with someone 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.800 who was with someone else, and it'll all like it 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.720 is ridiculous now that the level of puritanism that has 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.640 seeped into politics, which means we miss out on what 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.799 could be genuinely good people, and the kind of people 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.200 who might be inclined to go into politics are the 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.200 kind of people who are also inclined to have strong opinions. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.600 And sometimes those opinions you will agree with, and sometimes 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.720 those opinions you will disagree with. Sometimes those opinions you 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.360 will disagree with viscerally, and you will think that what 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.880 they have said is awful or repugnant or disgusting, but 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.840 it doesn't change the fact that they ought to have 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.280 the right to say it. And I have to say 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.320 good on the Labor Party for standing by their candidate 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.960 and saying no, actually, we're not going to be puritans 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.360 one hundred percent at the time and say that everyone 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.880 has to be cast out because they said something that 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.200 was a little bit below the belt. If only the 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.960 Liberal Party had taken the same position on Ben Britton 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.800 a couple of weeks ago, who they got rid of 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.400 because he, as a former soldier, said that he didn't 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.800 think women should be on the front line. So the 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.280 Liberal Party turfed him the next day when this came 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.200 back from a podcast that was recorded a year ago, 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.520 they dumped him. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.040 And now they're trying to tell. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.960 It was Jane Hume was taking this up this morning 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.240 on Sunrise. Now the Liberal Party is trying to tell 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:47.160 the Labor Party how they should be conducting their affairs 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.920 with their candidates. Get over it. If you don't like 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.680 what she said about the Pope, don't vote for her, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.600 as simple as that. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.720 Indeed, although in this case she was just downright wrong, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.480 like Pope Francis for all his faults. And you all 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.600 know I haven't been a massive fan of the last pope. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.680 It would be very difficult, I think near impossible to 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:11.840 name a pope who. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.760 Did more in this space. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:20.200 He genuinely invited victims to the Vatican begged for their forgiveness. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.240 He changed the laws within Vatican City which meant that 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.880 anyone found guilty of child sexual abuse, the definition of 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:33.679 which he expanded, would get twelve years in the clink. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.800 That became the maximum sentence. He abolished the rule of 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:42.840 pontifical secrecy, so that could no longer be exploited as 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.839 a loophole to cover up pedophiles that were found within 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.440 the church. And in twenty twenty one, after he convened 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.040 this massive get together of bishops and cardinals, over two 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.479 hundred of them at the Vaticans sitting down just to 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.600 address this one issue and how can we root this out? 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.520 Their code of canon law underwent the most extensive revision 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:12.000 in four decades, again just on this particular issue. That's 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:16.640 how passionate he was about addressing this issue within the church. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.080 He certainly wasn't a denier. He certainly wasn't someone who 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.159 defended anything or covered it up. That isn't to say 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.800 there are people in the church who have been found 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:27.600 guilty of that. 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.320 But she certainly went after the wrong guy here. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.760 I just have to point that out in fairness to 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.880 the now departed Pope. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:37.880 I do have one question about this, and I agree 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.800 with what both of you have said, But she made 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.919 a comment about the pope and pedophilia. Would the Labor 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.080 Party have stood by her if she'd made a comment 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.200 about Islam and pedophilia? 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.120 Do you think it's a very good point I highly doubted, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:51.679 and that's. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:52.440 Too many votes in that. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.120 But then that's the problem is there is a double standard. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.839 There's no denial of that. I think every religion should 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.320 be up for debate and ridicule and anything else. I mean, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.880 you know, you can put the Life of Brian on 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.919 television during Christmas or Eastern and no one sort of 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.200 bats an eyelid. But can you imagine trying to put 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.719 something critical of Islam or lampooning Islam on during Ramadan 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.560 for instance? You know you'd have your broadcast license taken 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.320 away from you probably, Or you try to draw Mohammad 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.359 in a cartoon and we know what happens to you. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.719 Then if you work for Charlie Hebdo in France, you 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.400 get killed. I mean people get killed over. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.080 The Labour candidate was lucky that she had. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:34.480 Correct But on principle, I think you should be able 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.640 to say anything you want. Good on the Labor Party 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.280 for not buckling to pressure. I'll tell you what though, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.920 when we're talking about the Labor Party in buckling to pressure, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.560 good old Anthony Albanezi faced a little bit today, but 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.880 he pretended none of it existed. Because it turns out 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.520 in his electorate of Graindler, which I used to live in. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.240 By the way, I was redistributed into Sydney. So I 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.000 now have to deal with voting for tenure plipusik or not. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.599 I don't know whether that's a good thing or not. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.920 I could have cast a vote against the Prime Minister, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.840 but never mind. But on his how to vote card 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.560 he has put all the Labor Party at that anyway, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.040 has put the Greens second in this particular candidate Hannah 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.400 Thomas has carried on about how you know Israel's conducting 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.800 genocide etc. And she's even said that if you vote 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.800 with the Greens you are voting with Palestine. I mean, 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.640 you know. She couldn't make it any clearer that she's 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.400 essentially a one issue candidate who's saying if you vote 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:31.360 in Australia for an Australian party is somehow voting overseas. 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.280 We know what her jigg is. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:33.520 Well. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.280 The Australian pointed out today that despite Albo carrying on 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.360 about how we won't do any deals with the Greens 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.080 of course if they end up in minority after the election, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.800 he's put the Greens second in his own electorate. So 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.360 he was asked about this at his presser this morning, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.200 and he claimed that he didn't even know the name 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:56.240 of the candidate. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.120 I wouldn't have been able to tell you if you'd 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.360 have asked me. He the canate was last time an 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.600 in this seat. I wan on primaries. I won on primaries. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.280 That's why the system works. I got more than fifty 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.600 percent of the vote. I look forward to people voting 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.960 at number one for me and then filling in all 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.080 the numbers just as they do to make sure it's 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.240 a formal vote. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.240 And I don't intend to. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:28.320 Promote the name or the candidate of the Greene Party candidate. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:34.280 You don't know the names of the candidates that you're 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.040 up against. I mean, could you make it any clearer 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.880 that you take the electors of Graindler for granted by saying, ah, well, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.080 last time I won by fifty percent of the primary 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.440 vote anyway, so it doesn't bloody matter. I mean, I'm 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.720 just standing here because well, I clipped the ticket, and 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.320 I get to take the money and hopefully it'll be 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.160 PM again come May three. He doesn't care about the 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.680 people if he's electric because he hasn't even looked at 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.920 the ballot paper to see who he is running against, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.840 and it in bizarrely had a crack at The Australian 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.559 for pointing out that the Labor Party had preferenced the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.800 Green second Ingraindler saying, I can't believe that the Australian 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.000 is giving so much promotion to the Greens candidate. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.599 I mean, please. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.360 Mate, what is he does he take us? Well, clearly 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.360 does take us for mugs if a he expects us 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.760 to believe that he doesn't know the name of the 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.720 opposition in his electorate. And you know clearly he is 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.720 backing in a candidate that he's a one issue candidate. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.640 I mean she's made it very clear. Also she moved 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.600 here as a foreign student and claims that she lives 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.680 on unseeded lands. So I mean, I don't know, go 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.880 back to where you came from, love, You didn't have 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.160 to come and sit on someone else's land that you 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.240 think doesn't belong to you, was stolen from them. But 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.400 he's backing a one issue candidate, which is on Palestine. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.600 And we'll have some more on that in tomorrow's OS 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.920 a little bit later as well, because it turns out 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.320 her relationship with Anthony Albanezi is a little bit frosty, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.200 which makes it even weirder that he's backing her in here. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.080 But imagine trying to say, oh, don't even. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.320 There's only two options here, right, Either the Prime Minister 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.360 is lying or he has no clue at all what's 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.520 going on, which is pretty much the way he's run 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.360 the country for the past three years. His claim that well, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.120 I get voted in on primary votes anyway, I don't 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.199 need preferences begs the question. So if you don't need preferences, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.840 why put the Greens number two, especially when you made 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.760 such a big deal at the debate just the other 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.680 night about the fact that you would not do any 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.760 deals with the Greens and he could always at the 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.959 last minute change his how to vote card and amend 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.840 it if it's an honest mistake. This just goes to 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.960 show what most Australians believe about the Prime Minister, that 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.000 he's duplicious. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.640 No, I honestly don't think he's lying. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.520 He is safe as houses Greenler has been in a 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.760 labor seats. It's nineteen forty six. The guy doesn't need 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.960 to know their names. I find it strange that you 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.199 then extrapolate that with him just oh, he doesn't give 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.440 us stuff about people in his constituency. No, if my 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.720 seat was that safe of houses, the names of my 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.400 opponents are entirely inconsequential. And of course he's going to 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.920 put the Greens second, because when you look at everybody 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.920 else running in his seat, it is absolutely out of 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.679 the question. He's got a One Nation candidate, he's got 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:23.040 a Trumpets of Patriots candidate, he's gotten Independent, and then he's. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.040 Got the Libs. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:28.199 So naturally he's going to choose his closest bedfellow, which 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:32.400 is the Greens, which again poses no problem because she's 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.560 never gonna get up in his seat, which he holds 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.120 by a whopping seventeen point three percent. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.280 Certainly that while he's got policy differences with Trumpet of 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.520 the Patriots and One Nation, he stood in Parliament and 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:49.160 he's accused the Greens of stoking social division. He's had 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:53.040 the most serious charges to make against the Greens, so 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.600 to put them second in his electric and I don't 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:56.199 buy the idea. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.680 No, he is more in common with them than any 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.280 of the above. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.240 Fact, he's accused them of creating social division, which is 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.000 a very serious accusation, far more than we disagree on 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:09.800 tax policy, or we've got different ideas about the housing cristis. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.640 And I think it brings up the point that he 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.520 keeps saying, we will, under no circumstances do a deal 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.400 with the Greens. But if the how to the Vote 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.040 card has the Greens second, I mean what you are 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.800 saying is that if I don't get the electorate, I 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.240 would prefer the Greens to be the next mob to 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:30.080 get the electric But yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't make, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:30.760 It doesn't matter. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.720 It was making in a storm and a deep I 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:35.760 think it was either. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.640 Twenty ten or twenty thirteen that there was a serious 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.960 threat of the Greens taking Graindler and the Daily Telegraph 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:46.280 had on the front page Save our Elbow, because it. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:47.360 Was a serious thing. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.240 So it's not out of the question that one day 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.040 someone can come and take a seat like that. I mean, 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.000 it's an inner city lefty seat. It's the kind of 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.160 place where the Greens would eventually like to try to 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.040 take it, I would think. But if he's saying I'd 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.320 never do a deal with this mob, and then number 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.680 two on your how to vote card, I mean you're 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.319 not really making it. You've given up the game as 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.960 to who you would prefer to be in power if 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:07.720 you weren't in power. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.920 And you can't tell me you wouldn't pay attention even 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.080 if you were going to win by a landslide, that 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.280 you wouldn't pay attention or to your opponent we ought to. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.600 I genuinely wouldn't if you had that big a margin. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.880 And he's got other things to take up his brain 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.840 space as PM, don't we know that? 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:29.840 Well? On Sunday we learned that Daniel Andrews COVID curfew. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:35.320 Was not based on any expert health advice whatsoever. It 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:40.840 wasn't even their idea, much less their recommendation. We found 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.719 this out, of course, thanks to emails obtained by the 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.640 Victorian opposition, thanks to a FOI. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.360 Now we know that it. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.520 Was Dan Andrews in his cabinet who decided to lock 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.920 up five million Victorians during the hours of eight pm 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.880 to five am, four goodness knows. I mean this was 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.040 in twenty twenty as well as twenty twenty one. If 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.760 you're in Victoria, I'm sure you remember it well. Now 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.680 the only person left serving in the Labor Party that 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.920 was on that cabinet is a woman by the name 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.320 of now premiere just sent to Allan. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.560 So when the press got to talk to her. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.640 Today, they weren't going to miss out on the opportunity 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:32.840 to ask her. What the heck were you guys thinking, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.040 Lady Hardy kurfew was introduced in twenty twenty wasn't based 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:37.840 on poligizing. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.560 Instead the decision of a state by cabinet. Why do 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:41.840 cabinet make that decision to. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:42.600 Be introduced with her? 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.440 Well, let's reflecting back on that period of time, and 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.760 I know it was a tough time for so many Victorians. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.960 So who made the decision? Was it Daniel Agris who 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:53.560 made a decisions? 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.200 He's a curfew as part of that process working with 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:02.400 public health officials on this particular map, The advice from 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.280 the public health officials, from the then Chief Health Officer 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.640 was look at doing what needed to be done to 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:08.960 limit movement. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:14.680 Except that they never recommended that by limiting movement you 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.360 would introduce a curfew that required people to have a 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:23.680 permit to leave their own homes for crying out loud. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.440 Woman, of course, that was just more obfiscation. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.280 She didn't actually make herself accountable. 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.440 For the decision that was made that affected. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.880 Millions of Victorians over the course of two years, it's 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.320 just more of nothing from this woman. 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.560 Can we fast forward to the election. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.400 Because I'm sure that we are finally going to see 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.000 the back of Labour's rule and reign in the state 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:48.480 of Victory. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.160 I wouldn't be too sure about that, because depending on 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.640 how things go in the federal election, they'll circle on 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.520 Jacinta Allen and hunt her and put Ben Carroll in 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.800 the seat in the hope that that'll save them. And 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.360 something tells her it may well, it may it may 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.760 well actually do it, which would be a disgrace. But 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.440 Jacinta Allen, being that the last person left and there 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.840 were seven of them on this crisis cabinet, six of them, 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.160 including the former premier Daniel Andrews, are no longer in politics. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.800 What does that tell you about how they feel about 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.120 how things went down and the fact that they could 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.280 see the writing on the wall. So you've only got 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.400 one left in Cina Allen and she refuses to front up. 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.320 I mean this came out on Sunday in the Sunday 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.120 Herald's Son and the work that David Davis did. I mean, 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.320 he's been fighting for four and a half years to 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.440 get hold of these documents through the courts, the tribunals, whatever. 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:44.120 The government has tried their darndas to stop this stuff 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.520 coming out, but he was like a dog with a bone, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.720 and thank God for that. He's done excellent work on 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:53.600 this count. But this came out on Sunday. Today is Wednesday. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.160 It's the first time that Cinta Allen has fronted the 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.120 cameras since this story came out, so she's had plenty 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.800 of time to come up with an answer to tell 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.080 the press. And she could not give a straight answer 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.120 as to who made the decision or why the decision 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.840 was made. I mean, she should fall on her sword. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.879 She's the only one left. She should be able to 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.720 tell us exactly what happened in that room. There's a 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.399 reason she doesn't want to tell us exactly what happened 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.800 in that room, because if we knew how the sausage 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:26.120 was made, we would be outraged. Some people certainly already are, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.320 but they're trying to protect their own bums. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:29.240 It's as simple as ever. 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.679 And this is why a royal commission into what happened 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.800 during the pandemic is so essential. So that people like 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.480 to sen to Allan and Dan Andrews, who's left politics, 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.720 as Caleb pointed out, and others are compelled to answer 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.760 these questions rather than obfuscate. For her to respond as 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.240 you saw there by saying, well, let's reflect, there was 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.280 a tough time for Victorians. That was exactly the of 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.240 the questions you created, the tough times, Why and why 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.360 did you lie about it? Trying to brush it off 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.080 as well. You know, we were advised to limit movement, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.040 as you said, Liz, there's a big difference between you know, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.560 maybe some social distancing and a curfew that required people 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.160 to have government permission to leave their own homes. 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:15.520 The experts were like, this wasn't even our idea. We 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.920 didn't even float this. They made it up. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.560 And when we talk about tough times for Victorians, I'll 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:23.920 never forget this piece. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.120 Of research that came out. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.840 These researchers did a massive poll in Victoria in September 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.840 twenty twenty in which they found that nine point five 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:38.360 that's almost one in ten Victorians said that they had 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.320 seriously considered taking their own lives in the last thirty 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:47.520 days prior to this survey that they were now undergoing. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.439 That's how bad it was. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:54.200 Over twelve percent of Victorians said that they'd either started 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.639 or increased relying on substance abuse in order to deal 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.000 with this emotions that they were going through being locked 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.560 up like animals in their own state. When we talk 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:12.320 about tough times for Victorian's premier just center Allan, you 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.000 weren't one of them, but you were making the rules 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:21.439 that everyone suffered under, and for some it ended for good. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.600 I just find that this cast off comment today utterly 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.080 vile in the face of the very real suffering that 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.680 is not even five years old yet that many people 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.560 would be living with the scars of to this day, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.280 having even lost loved ones. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.120 More research was done. 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.719 About the first sixty people that did take their lives 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.480 in the state of Victoria during that first year of lockdown, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.040 et cetera, et cetera, and so on. And you want 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.960 to face the press today, after days of prepping your 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.679 response to this question that you knew you would be 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:58.840 asked just to be like. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.040 Oh, we were just doing the best we could. It 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.520 was such tough times. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:04.840 Oh my goodness, it's a little bit pointed out. She's 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.639 spent four and a half years of taxpayer money to 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.200 add insult Stoffid injury, trying to never have to answer 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.680 this question because it never was to be revealed. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.720 And that's not to mention the eight hundred people who 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.720 died because they bungled hotel quarantine system, of course. 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:20.720 And I went through one. 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.960 Of those lockdowns in Melbourne. I only had to do one, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.199 thank god. But it started in August twenty twenty one 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.119 went through to October. I think it was about seventy 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.640 eight days and I just moved to Melbourne and it 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.840 was I have to say, one of the worst periods 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.199 of my life in terms of I felt depressed and 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.840 I had a few sessions with a psych in that time, 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:46.119 because it is just so anathema to being a human 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.360