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Speaker 1: It's Monday, May thirteenth. Pay us more or prepare for

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Speaker 1: A Chinese researcher based at a Queensland university has been

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Speaker 1: fighting deportation for four years. The government wants Joelong Jou

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Speaker 1: gone because of his alleged links to weapons of mass destruction.

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Speaker 1: Court documents show the researcher is the fifth visa applicant

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Speaker 1: to be pursued by the government on similar grounds. Treasurer

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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers says he's got the balance right ahead of

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's federal budget, but he'll break from the Reserve Bank's

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Speaker 1: inflation forecasts and lean on consumers to do the heavy

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Speaker 1: lifting and reduce spending in the second half of the year.

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Speaker 1: So what's driving Jim Chalmers and what kind of budget

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Speaker 1: will he deliver? That's today's episode. The nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 1: film Jerry Maguire opens with a scene in which the

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Speaker 1: titular sports agent played by Tom Cruise, has what I

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Speaker 1: guess you'd call an epiphany.

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Speaker 2: I began writing what they call a mission stepmen, not

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Speaker 2: a memo, A mission stepan, you know, a suggestion for

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Speaker 2: the future of our company. Night like this doesn't come

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Speaker 2: along very often. I seized it.

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Speaker 1: Maguire makes copies of his mission statement and distributes them

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Speaker 1: to every one of his colleagues in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Of the nighties. Even the cover looked like the catcher

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Speaker 2: in a rye. I entitled it the Things we think

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Speaker 2: and do not say, the future of our business.

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Speaker 1: They love it. Management doesn't how long you Jim.

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Speaker 2: About a week.

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Speaker 1: In the run up to his second federal budget in

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Speaker 1: early twenty twenty three, Treasurer Jim Chalmers had a Jerry

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Speaker 1: Maguire moment. He penned a six thousand word essay laying

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Speaker 1: out his vision for the future of capitalism.

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Speaker 3: Well, my essay is all about how we strengthen our

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Speaker 3: economy and strengthen our institutions in a way that strengthens

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Speaker 1: It was also his vision for himself writ large. In

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Speaker 1: taking up the mantle as Treasurer, Chalmers said he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be someone who just occupies the office. He

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Speaker 1: wants to enable major change, be a big time reformer.

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Speaker 1: Now we've passed the halfway mark of Labour's term in government,

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Speaker 1: the next election isn't too far off and Jim Chalmer's

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Speaker 1: third federal budget will be handed down on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 1: The question is if he's lived up to his own expectations.

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Speaker 4: I think this budget will be the most important that

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Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers has brought down as Treasurer. It's important because

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Speaker 4: the economic challenge is really significant.

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Speaker 1: Paul Kelly is The Australian's editor at large. He's been

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Speaker 1: covering politics and federal budgets for fifty years.

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Speaker 4: But beyond that, it's the third year of the first term,

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Speaker 4: so I think this budget is going to tell us

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Speaker 4: more about the economic character of the government and of

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Speaker 4: the Treasurer, and it's going to outline the essence of

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Speaker 4: the future growth strategy for Labor which it will pursue

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Speaker 4: over the next several years. He's a gifted communicator. As Treasurer,

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Speaker 4: he's ambitious. He sees himself operating in the poor keeping mold.

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Speaker 4: He sees himself as a reforming treasurer. But his treasurer

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Speaker 4: at a very difficu time, a time when the challenge

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Speaker 4: of high inflation inhibits and constrains what the government and

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Speaker 4: what the Treasurer can do. And the essence of this

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Speaker 4: coming budget will be how Chalmers reconcile the economics with

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Speaker 4: the politics.

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Speaker 1: Looming over all. This is the legacy of another former

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Speaker 1: Treasurer and great reformer, Paul Keating.

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Speaker 4: Madam Speger.

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Speaker 2: Last year, the government paid back three thoy seven hundred

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Speaker 2: million of Commonwealth debt. This year we'll pay back even more.

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Speaker 1: We'll be able to do so because tonight I am

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Speaker 1: announcing a budget surplus of historic proportions. Keating's been back

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Speaker 1: labor colleagues, but he's been a mentor to charmers, even

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Speaker 1: a bit of a hero. The Treasurer who's actually doctor

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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers wrote his PhD on Keating's leadership style. It

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Speaker 1: was titled Brawler Statesman, a nod to Keating's feisty and

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Speaker 1: ambitious politics. But Keating's day has long since passed and

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Speaker 1: the economic, political and social landscapes are vastly different now.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's no harm in comparing them. And

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Speaker 4: I think in one sense Jim Charmers invites us to

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Speaker 4: for him to be doing, because Keating was treasurer forty

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Speaker 4: Charmers himself. And in many ways he might privately agree

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Speaker 1: Their sense of destiny might match, but their agendas don't.

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Speaker 4: The Keeping agenda was all about creating a new sense

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Speaker 4: empowering the middle class, deregulating the financial system. Now, that

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Speaker 4: is an agenda of enterprise based innovation, relying on markets.

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Speaker 4: What we now see from the current labor government headed

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Speaker 4: by Anthony Albanezi with a Charmers as Treasurer, is that

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Speaker 4: there's a greater emphasis on government, on spending, on government intervention.

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Speaker 4: We have a government directed new form of industry policy.

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Speaker 4: We have a vast array of subjidies and tax breaks

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Speaker 4: changes which many people would call reform, and others, particularly

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Speaker 4: a columnists, would say their examples of the country actually regress,

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Speaker 4: relying much more on old fashioned government's vention in government spending.

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Speaker 4: So I think that is the paradox of the Charmers

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Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers has been setting the scene for this federal

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Speaker 1: Institute in early May, he said this is the most

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Speaker 1: challenging strategic environment since World War II, and he's not wrong.

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Speaker 1: Inflation is creeping, growth is slowing, conflict is escalating, geopolitical

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Speaker 4: I think what he's getting at and in this sense,

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Speaker 4: is completely correct. But this is a very difficult economic

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Speaker 4: because inflation is still not mastered. Of course, a lot

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Speaker 4: So essentially the problem that the treasurerffaces it's the problem

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Speaker 4: between putting in place new expansive policies designed to define

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Speaker 4: what this labor government stands for and help the Australian

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Speaker 4: people on the one hand, and on the other hand

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Speaker 4: the fact that fiscal policy has got to do something

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Speaker 4: to assist monetary policy and contain inflation, and that means

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Speaker 4: there's got to be a limit on how much you

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Speaker 1: Coming up. Why Jim chalmers next move is less budget

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Speaker 1: and more balancing act, Well, I've got you, don't forget.

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Speaker 1: Last week, Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock sent Treasurer Jim

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Speaker 1: Chalmers a warning. She said the RBA would have to

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Speaker 1: act if services costs and soaring petrol prices send inflation

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Speaker 1: back up, and by act she means hike interest rates.

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Speaker 3: We're not ruling anything in or out because things are uncertain,

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Speaker 3: but there is just the recent data of just indicated

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Speaker 3: to us we need to be a little bit of

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Speaker 3: vigilant on this.

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Speaker 1: The Reserve Bank's job is to set the cash rate.

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Speaker 1: When it wants people to pump money into the economy,

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Speaker 1: the rate drops. But when inflation is as high as

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Speaker 1: it has been over the past year or so, spending

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Speaker 1: is a dangerous game because everything gets more expensive as

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Speaker 1: could stay that way. That's called stagflation. So the Reserve

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Speaker 1: putting huge amounts of pressure on Australian households. So what

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Speaker 1: Michelle Bullock is saying to Jim Chalmers in the nicest

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Speaker 1: way possible is don't put too much money in people's pockets.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Kelly.

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Speaker 4: I think the treasure will present the budget as a

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Speaker 4: middle course budget, that is, it's an effort to strike

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Speaker 4: a compromise between the economics and the politics. Cost of

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Speaker 4: living will be uppermost in the budget speech of the Treasurer,

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Speaker 4: and he's made it clear that assistance to people managing

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Speaker 4: cost of living pressures will be substantial. There's going to

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Speaker 4: government will try and in that sense we'll look after

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Speaker 4: I think what we're going to say about this budget

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Speaker 4: the treasure has taken political responsibility for any future increases

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Speaker 4: So the great danger for the Treasurer, the great risk

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Speaker 4: for the Albanesi government in this budget is that it's

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Speaker 4: that's the gamble.

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Speaker 1: In other words, Jim Chalmers will be walking a tightrope

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Speaker 4: I think there are probably two fundamental factors which might

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Speaker 4: define this budget historically. First of all, how will this

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Speaker 4: budget be judged in terms of combating the central economic problem,

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Speaker 4: which is inflation. Now we won't be able to answer

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Speaker 4: probably have a strong ideological component in terms of outlining

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Speaker 4: the interesting thing about the budget is the biggest single

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Speaker 4: will be the tax cuts. But the revamp tax announced

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Speaker 4: they'll be the biggest single item in the budget. And

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Speaker 4: that's another item which points to the question of the

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton will have his chance to respond to the

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Speaker 1: new federal budget on Thursday, and Paul says the opposition

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Speaker 4: Too, So essentially what you see is you see a

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Speaker 4: how far they go and the budget apply. This is

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Speaker 4: what it's always like and it won't change this week.

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Speaker 4: But the big question is what does Dutton say about

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Speaker 4: their policy roll out. Now that's sensible in one sense

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Speaker 4: because oppositions never like to do that too much. But

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Speaker 4: on the other hand, I think Dutton's got an obligation

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Speaker 4: to give us something and that's going to be the issue.

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Speaker 4: How much will he give us? We'll have to wait

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Speaker 4: and see on Thursday night.

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