WEBVTT - Surviving the Highest Speed Ejection From a US Fighter Aircraft

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like to acknowledge that traditional custodians of the land

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<v Speaker 1>on which this podcast was produced, the Galliger people of

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<v Speaker 1>the orination. We pay our respects to Elder's past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>It's April nineteen ninety five and we're in the Atlantic Ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and four kilometers away from land. The water

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<v Speaker 2>is cold, the wind is high, the waves are strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Brian Yudell is fighting for his life. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>survived the highest speed ejection from a US fighter aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>at nearly one three hundred kilometers per hour. He feels

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<v Speaker 2>like his body has just collided with a freight train.

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<v Speaker 2>The salt water is making him painfully aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>open wounds that cover his broken body. Brian starts to pray.

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<v Speaker 2>He has to get home to his wife, who is

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<v Speaker 2>four months pregnant with their first child. It'll be four

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<v Speaker 2>grueling hours of until Brian is rescued. I'm at Middleton

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<v Speaker 2>and this is head Game today, an unbelievable story of perseverance,

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<v Speaker 2>strength and return to the sguise. Brian, you welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast, head Game. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, how are you? Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always going to listen it to me, that should

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<v Speaker 2>recording you, sir, take me back to when you first

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<v Speaker 2>got into any type of aircraft and the fascination of flying.

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<v Speaker 2>When did that first hit you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a multi generational pilot, so it's in the DNA.

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<v Speaker 3>My father was a fighter pilot for thirty one years,

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<v Speaker 3>and I started flying when I was nine years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Aviations all I know. I've been an airplane my whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it was just a natural progression for me

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<v Speaker 3>to follow in those footsteps.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose being around that twenty seven that's just embedded

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<v Speaker 2>in you, whether you like it or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's good and it's bad because he got no slack.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I remember complaining once.

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<v Speaker 2>And once only once.

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<v Speaker 3>Only yes, and I said, you know, I'm tired. I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the middle of pilot training and they

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<v Speaker 3>they do all of the things, they try to give

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<v Speaker 3>you twenty five hours worth of stuff and twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>hours to do it, and oh, by the way, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to find some time to sleep. And and so

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<v Speaker 3>I remember complaining called him up and I was like, man, Dad,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just I'm just really tired. He goes, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know tired, he goes, wait till you get to combat.

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<v Speaker 3>You work when you have to, and you sleep when

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<v Speaker 3>you can, and you just you just go. You put

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<v Speaker 3>it on and you go, and if there's a little break,

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<v Speaker 3>you can take a nap. But when it's time to go,

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<v Speaker 3>it's time to go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the classic military I suppose way is and that

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<v Speaker 2>it's when you can grab that nap, grab it because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know when the next one's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me what happened on the eighteenth for April nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, we were.

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<v Speaker 3>On a night training mission. Standard I was number three

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<v Speaker 3>of a four ship. We were doing what we call

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<v Speaker 3>a surge week, where.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you say number three of a fourth ship,

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<v Speaker 2>there's four four aircrafts and your number three correct.

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<v Speaker 3>This particular night, we're going to go out and do

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<v Speaker 3>what we call two v two aired air intercepts. That's

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<v Speaker 3>where two aircraft are going to pose two aircraft at night.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really a targeting and sorting exercise. It's a communications event.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not really shooting live you're not shooting live munitions

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<v Speaker 3>at each other, but it's the ability to effectively communicate

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<v Speaker 3>between the two aircraft between the four people in those

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<v Speaker 3>two aircraft and effectively figure out what the presentation is

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<v Speaker 3>that the opposing group is giving you effectively communicate that

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<v Speaker 3>between the aircraft, properly target and sort, sort and target

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<v Speaker 3>those two aircraft and then put missiles in the air

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<v Speaker 3>so that you're not both targeting one aircraft or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a lot of calm discipline. You know. The

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<v Speaker 3>success I help people war hasn't changed in a thousand years.

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<v Speaker 3>And whether you're blowing a bugle or banging on a

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<v Speaker 3>drum or waving a guide on, it's the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>effectively communicate is the side that's going to be. It's

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<v Speaker 3>going to prevail because I can communicate effectively, we can

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<v Speaker 3>put we can put force concentration in. So we're doing

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<v Speaker 3>our thing. We were actually on our fourth intercept, this

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<v Speaker 3>airplane that had some mechanical problems and what we call

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<v Speaker 3>ground aboard it twice the week before. What that means

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<v Speaker 3>is is they started the airplane up and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't pass it's built in tests, and so they

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<v Speaker 3>gave it back to maintenance to work on. When I

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<v Speaker 3>showed up at the airplane, the first thing we do is,

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<v Speaker 3>we salute the crew chief, we pick up the maintenance forms,

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<v Speaker 3>We review the maintenance forms. I could see that this

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<v Speaker 3>airplane had some previous discrepancies that were still kind of

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<v Speaker 3>coming up with issues. But supposedly it was a good aircraft.

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<v Speaker 3>So we do our walk around, We climb in the jet,

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<v Speaker 3>We start to jet up, and it runs through its

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<v Speaker 3>test and it failed three different tests. The central computer

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<v Speaker 3>was not operating properly, the display processor was not operating properly,

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<v Speaker 3>and the heads up display failed. And so we called

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<v Speaker 3>out maintenance. Maintenance plugs into the aircraft and we start

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<v Speaker 3>talking about it, and they said, well, you know what's

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<v Speaker 3>been fixing it before is just turn it off and

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<v Speaker 3>turn it back on. Just recycle it. Boy, I tell

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<v Speaker 3>you what, people say that to me. Yeah, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But people say that to me, I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>choke them. And so so we turned it off and

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<v Speaker 3>we turn it back on, and we repeat this multiple times,

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<v Speaker 3>and finally we've got a good airplane. There were no

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<v Speaker 3>spares to step two. All the other jets were broken

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<v Speaker 3>or being utilized, so it was love the one you're with.

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<v Speaker 3>So we worked it and worked at work it. Finally

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<v Speaker 3>we got a good airplane. We taxied probably five minutes

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<v Speaker 3>after the other three aircraft did. We have contingencies. Every

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<v Speaker 3>military operation has contingencies because you know your initial plan

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<v Speaker 3>very rarely is going to go as planned where you

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<v Speaker 3>don't roll x into some contingency operations. So they had

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<v Speaker 3>a contingency if I wasn't able to get down there,

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<v Speaker 3>but we were able to get down there with them,

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<v Speaker 3>get armed up, and we launched. We met up with

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<v Speaker 3>an air to air refueling tanker, a casey ten that

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<v Speaker 3>was parked in an air refueling track. We cycled through.

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<v Speaker 3>We got about four thousand pounds of gas each, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we went out into what we call the Whiskeys.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the warning areas off the coast of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>the East coast the United States, and that allows us

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to train like we fight, meaning we

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<v Speaker 3>can go supersonic without blowing windows and knocking china off

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<v Speaker 3>the walls and you know, really getting people upset with us.

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<v Speaker 3>It also gives us the actual time compression. When you've

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<v Speaker 3>got two airplanes coming at each other over the mock,

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<v Speaker 3>things happen very quick. You might be one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fifty miles away, but that one hundred and fifty miles away.

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<v Speaker 3>When you got a closure rated over one thousand miles

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<v Speaker 3>an hour, we'll go.

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<v Speaker 2>By a thousand miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's you have to be thinking fast. You have

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<v Speaker 3>to stay ahead of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You're specializing it before it happens exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why we practice this over and over and over,

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<v Speaker 3>so it becomes where you start to see things happen

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<v Speaker 3>before they happen. You know what's going to happen before

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<v Speaker 3>they happen, and then you just execute. And if things

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<v Speaker 3>aren't going the way you want them to go, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a specific outrange, and that's a range be no range.

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<v Speaker 3>We will be no closer than this. If we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have our ducks in a row, we don't have eything

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<v Speaker 3>doped out, we're out and you get out, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like get out before you like you mean it, and

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<v Speaker 3>then come back and try to re engage again. But

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<v Speaker 3>this particular event, we got our gas, we went out

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<v Speaker 3>and the first two intercepts went off without a hitch,

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<v Speaker 3>and about forty five minutes into the flight, we were

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<v Speaker 3>on our third intercept, and this was the first one

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<v Speaker 3>where myself and my wingman. We're going to play what

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<v Speaker 3>we call red air the adversary side, and we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to give them a presentation that was prominent from the

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<v Speaker 3>old former Soviet Union tactics. We bring them into res

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<v Speaker 3>cell what we call resolution cell, where basically fingertip formation.

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<v Speaker 3>My women is on my left wing about three feet off,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to be cruising in and then when

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<v Speaker 3>we get to a range where I know that they

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<v Speaker 3>would be firing their first salvo, we're going to split apart.

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<v Speaker 3>My women's going to do a ninety three turn drop

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<v Speaker 3>down to a lower altitude block. We divide the airspace

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<v Speaker 3>into altitude blocks for safety of flight, because when they

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<v Speaker 3>separate and you don't know where people are, especially at night,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't see them. Ye want to see them that

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<v Speaker 3>you exactly, so you have your safe haven at a

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<v Speaker 3>specific altitude block. And our block was a ten to

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<v Speaker 3>four zeros to four block, which means ten thousand to fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty to twenty four thousand, thirty to thirty four thousand,

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<v Speaker 3>and the other two aircraft had the fives to nine,

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<v Speaker 3>so it'd be five to nine, fifteen to nineteen, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five to twenty nine, so so forth, so my women

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<v Speaker 3>they drop down to the ten to fourteen block and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still at twenty four thousand. We're in a right

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<v Speaker 3>hand turn, and we're about one hundred degrees through the turn.

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<v Speaker 3>With believe it or not, the lessons from my father.

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<v Speaker 3>So my father always taught me. He says, always trust

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<v Speaker 3>your instruments, because that's I had to when I was little.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't see out. But he goes, always listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the airplane, because if you're in tune with the airplane

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<v Speaker 3>and you're listening to it, airplanes will talk to you,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you are listening, they'll tell you what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I was seeing in my instruments. Now it's

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<v Speaker 3>a pitch black night. There's no moon, no stars, no

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<v Speaker 3>discernible horizon. Everything in my world is in that hood's

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<v Speaker 3>up display, and what I'm seeing is twenty four thousand

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<v Speaker 3>feet forward or notts in a sixty year right hand turn.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'm hearing is this airplane is getting fast.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hearing the wind rushing over the top of the campy.

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<v Speaker 3>Something didn't seem right, and so I brought up a

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<v Speaker 3>different display down on a color screen between my legs

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<v Speaker 3>that gives me similar information in a different format. That

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<v Speaker 3>display was showing us pointed straight at the water, and

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<v Speaker 3>instead of twenty four thousand feet and four hundred knots,

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<v Speaker 3>we were now at seventeen thousand feet and six hundred knots.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'd already lost seven thousand feet and didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>realize it until I could start hearing that wind rushing

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<v Speaker 3>over the canopy. I didn't pick up on it. The

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<v Speaker 3>airplane always trims for one g, so you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>a fill sensation in the stick. It's not like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I can feel the wind load as it increases. The

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<v Speaker 3>airplane automatically adjusts for that. So my only indication was

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<v Speaker 3>that sound, that wind rush over the canopy. When I

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<v Speaker 3>brought that up, I looked at I was very startled

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm now not where I thought I was, and

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<v Speaker 3>now I've got to try to figure this out. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a thing we learned. It's called recognized, confirm, and recover. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I recognize we've got a problem via sound and via sight.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to try to confirm this. Unfortunately, I only

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<v Speaker 3>have my head's at display, and I have my attitude

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<v Speaker 3>indicator on this color display here, and then there's a standby. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>that standby is not accurate, and you'll turn out of

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<v Speaker 3>traffic this way and it'll precess that way. What is

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<v Speaker 3>primary designed for is if you lost electrics. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>gyro stabilized machine attitude indicator that I could cage and

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<v Speaker 3>it would give me about eight minutes of stabilized attitude

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<v Speaker 3>information to be able to get down through a weather deck.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not going to be used for some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of out of control type recovery instrument. The second part

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<v Speaker 3>of the problem was that color display. We would turn

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<v Speaker 3>the brightness in contrast of that display down quite low

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<v Speaker 3>so that it wouldn't cast a big colorful glow on

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<v Speaker 3>the inside of that bubble canopy and create disorientation. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I had to sit there and try to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what that actual display was telling me. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I could see the disparity between the two. I could

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<v Speaker 3>see the airspeed spinning up. I could see the altitude

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<v Speaker 3>spinning down. But I've got to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>in my upside down, my right side up, how many

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<v Speaker 3>degrees knows low am I? And so now I have

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<v Speaker 3>to stop, and I have to turn the brightness and

0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.960
<v Speaker 3>contrast of this display up and it wasn't like a

0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.839
<v Speaker 3>riostat where I could just go like that. It was

0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.400
<v Speaker 3>rocker switches. So I'm sitting here pushing buttons like this

0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to try to get the brightness. And the display turned

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<v Speaker 3>up and we are traveling fifteen hundred feet per second

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<v Speaker 3>straight at the water. So we started the maneuver at

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<v Speaker 3>a second. Yes, we started the maneuver at twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>thousand feet. I realized we had a problem at seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>thousand feet. From seventeen thousand feet to ten thousand feet,

0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm working this problem, so that's seven thousand feet, so

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<v Speaker 3>I basically had five seconds roughly to figure this out

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<v Speaker 3>make a decision either try to recover the airplane or

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<v Speaker 3>command the ejection. When we got through ten thousand feet,

0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.920
<v Speaker 3>we're now supersonic. I'm eighty degrees nos low inverted, and

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<v Speaker 3>I realized that there is no way. One I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to bet my life that this is even telling

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<v Speaker 3>me the true and two I don't think I can

0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.760
<v Speaker 3>pull out of this dive without ripping the wings off

0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.560
<v Speaker 3>or blackness out or both. And at that point I

0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.280
<v Speaker 3>just commanded the ejection and got in a body position

0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.640
<v Speaker 3>and pulled the handles in that length of time, four

0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.600
<v Speaker 3>thousand feet. Additionally, additional four thousand feet went by. We're

0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.520
<v Speaker 3>now at six thousand feet. I'm pulling the ejection handles.

0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:26.000
<v Speaker 3>A canopy goes off at forty five hundred feet. Dennis DW.

0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.680
<v Speaker 3>Dennis White was my back seater. He went out at

0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.720
<v Speaker 3>three thousand feet. I left the cockpit at fifteen hundred

0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.280
<v Speaker 3>feet and I got my shoot roughly about five hundred

0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.120
<v Speaker 3>feet above the water. Had had I waited even a

0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.800
<v Speaker 3>third of a second longer to pull the handles, I

0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 3>would have impacted the water still in my seat and

0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:49.360
<v Speaker 3>been killed. So when you talk about seeing ahead, predicting things,

0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.080
<v Speaker 3>making those decisions, the decision to get out is made

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<v Speaker 3>before you ever get in the airplane.

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<v Speaker 2>So when your Powa chute deploys, are you strapped into

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<v Speaker 2>the chair when you land.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I had about twenty five twenty to twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>seconds under the canopy before I hit the water. So

0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.640
<v Speaker 3>the way it works is you separate, you leave the

0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.280
<v Speaker 3>aircraft in your seat, and the seat is incredibly smart.

0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It has an altimeter in it and it has pedo

0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.360
<v Speaker 3>tubes on either side, so it knows how the seat

0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.320
<v Speaker 3>knows how fast it's going, and it knows what's attitude

0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.960
<v Speaker 3>it's in, and it knows what altitude it's at. So

0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.440
<v Speaker 3>from that it makes a decision, do I need to

0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.640
<v Speaker 3>keep him with the seat until we get down to

0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.960
<v Speaker 3>a lower altitude, or do I got to get him

0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.000
<v Speaker 3>out of this seat and get him a main choot immediately.

0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And in this case, because we were going so fast,

0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.720
<v Speaker 3>it actually threw out a miniature drag chute to try

0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.080
<v Speaker 3>to slow us down. But then it has to be

0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.840
<v Speaker 3>able to cut that dragshot away and then get the

0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.280
<v Speaker 3>main canopy open and separate you from the seat. All

0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.760
<v Speaker 3>of that happens in milliseconds. So it was able to

0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.600
<v Speaker 3>get me slowed down enough to where the main choot

0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.800
<v Speaker 3>wasn't destroyed upon deployment because of the excessive speed that

0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.200
<v Speaker 3>we were traveling. So it kicks me out of the seat.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hanging under the canopy. I could fill the cold

0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.560
<v Speaker 3>night air on my face. I could hear the parachute

0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.280
<v Speaker 3>ruffling above me. I knew where I was. I also

0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 3>knew I was going into the ocean. And then immediately

0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.200
<v Speaker 3>your training kicks in. You do what it's called a

0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.400
<v Speaker 3>post ejection checklist. It's canopy visor mass seat kit. I'll

0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.560
<v Speaker 3>be used here prepare release. I mean it's that ingrained

0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.120
<v Speaker 3>and so I look up at my canopy. I couldn't

0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.840
<v Speaker 3>see it was pitch black. Visor masks were supposed to

0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.280
<v Speaker 3>take our visor put it up on top of our

0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.720
<v Speaker 3>helmet discarder mask. I didn't have to worry about that step.

0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.320
<v Speaker 3>The whole helmet was gone. Seat kit when we deploy,

0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.200
<v Speaker 3>when we separate from the seat, we're actually sitting on

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.680
<v Speaker 3>a seat kit which contains a one man life wrapped

0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:58.080
<v Speaker 3>and two survival kits. But one's called a rucksack kit.

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.680
<v Speaker 3>The other's called a grab and dough kit. The rucksack

0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.200
<v Speaker 3>kit falls away on a fifteen foot lanyard that pulls

0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.320
<v Speaker 3>the one man life raft out. It falls away on

0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.639
<v Speaker 3>a fifteen foot landard that's hooked to my right hip,

0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 3>and the weight of that rucksack kit pulls a pin

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.640
<v Speaker 3>on a CO two cartridge that partially inflates that wrapped

0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.639
<v Speaker 3>So hanging below me, fifteen feet below me is a

0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.840
<v Speaker 3>one man life raft. Fifteen feet below that, it's that

0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.040
<v Speaker 3>rucksack kit, and zipped into the inside flap right up

0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.600
<v Speaker 3>underneath my butt is that grab and go kit, which

0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.600
<v Speaker 3>is about the size of a fireplace log. The rucksack

0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.919
<v Speaker 3>kit contains everything you need for long term survival. The

0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.080
<v Speaker 3>grab and go kit contains duplicate items, but it's mostly

0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.160
<v Speaker 3>for rescue. It's got your flares and water and radio

0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.280
<v Speaker 3>and signal mirror whistle things like that. Yeah, So, as

0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming down on the chute, I get to my

0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.679
<v Speaker 3>line preserver and I look down and my life preserver

0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.320
<v Speaker 3>looked like shredded rags hanging around my neck. And then

0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.360
<v Speaker 3>I got a bit concern because I know I'm going

0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.200
<v Speaker 3>into the ocean and if I don't get to something

0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 3>that floats, I'm going to be a dead man. And

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping that my life preserver hanging fifteen feet below

0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.760
<v Speaker 3>me that I can't see, doesn't look like this. So

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.080
<v Speaker 3>somewhere I had the presence of mind, and I think

0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.639
<v Speaker 3>this is where the exceptional training comes in, because I

0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.600
<v Speaker 3>was able to think clearly, I was able to keep

0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.000
<v Speaker 3>my wits about me, and I just had the presence

0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.160
<v Speaker 3>of mind to reach down and I grabbed that lanyard

0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.679
<v Speaker 3>and with my teeth and my one arm, I reeled

0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.359
<v Speaker 3>that life wrapped up to me and just at the

0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>point I grabbed a hold of the raft, I could

0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.960
<v Speaker 3>tell it was inflated. I went from hanging under the

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.040
<v Speaker 3>canopy to about ten feet under the water. Having hold

0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.280
<v Speaker 3>of that inflated wrap pulled me back up to the surface.

0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Otherwise I would have drowned. I'm in mid fifties water

0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.040
<v Speaker 3>temperature the sea states about three to five feet. The

0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.320
<v Speaker 3>wind's blowing about ten knots, and I'm starting to be drug.

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.560
<v Speaker 3>My shoe catches wind and I'm starting to be drug

0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:52.400
<v Speaker 3>through the water. There's a very smart man. A lot

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff that we have in our survival kits

0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.560
<v Speaker 3>are as a result of somebody in the past dying

0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.159
<v Speaker 3>from not having this. So what we have is the

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.960
<v Speaker 3>pyrotechnic device on our risers, and when they sense the

0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.000
<v Speaker 3>salt water, if there's a charge and it blows your

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 3>rises away, it sounds like two shotgun shells going off

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.880
<v Speaker 3>on either side of your head. So I came to rest,

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 3>still holding onto the raft, and that's when I went

0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.159
<v Speaker 3>to try to kick my legs to get into the raft.

0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.239
<v Speaker 3>And when I did, the top half of my leg

0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.159
<v Speaker 3>would go one way and the bottom half would go

0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the other. And when I kicked my left foot. My

0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.880
<v Speaker 3>foot would flip around backwards and then it flip around forwards,

0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.639
<v Speaker 3>and they were both useless. And then this arm is

0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.760
<v Speaker 3>bent back like this, so I've got one functioning arm

0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.159
<v Speaker 3>with a separated shoulder. I'm in five foot seas. I

0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 3>know if I don't get into this raft that I'm

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.920
<v Speaker 3>going to die of hypothermia. I'll go unconscious and that'll

0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:46.120
<v Speaker 3>be that. And so I'm trying to get in. I'm

0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 3>trying to get in. I can't get in. I'm trying

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.720
<v Speaker 3>to push this raft underneath me, and the wave would

0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.680
<v Speaker 3>come up and the raft would want to flip over

0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.280
<v Speaker 3>on top of me, so I'd have to let it

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 3>go like this and then I'd get it back up

0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.800
<v Speaker 3>underneath me. And I tried probably ten times, and I

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.960
<v Speaker 3>just couldn't get in, couldn't get in, And now I'm

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.200
<v Speaker 3>literally to the point of exhaustion, and I thought, this

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:08.760
<v Speaker 3>is it. I'm going to die tonight.

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Is that what you thought, Brian? Did you actually think

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.400
<v Speaker 2>to yourself, right, I'm not going to make this, this

0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:14.679
<v Speaker 2>is me.

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:19.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm gone, Yeah, And that's when I stopped everything. I'm

0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.600
<v Speaker 3>we wonder where I get my strength from my father?

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.760
<v Speaker 3>My father got it from his mother. My grandmother was

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.880
<v Speaker 3>an incredibly strong woman, and she always taught me that

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 3>we don't get to choose the day we're going to have.

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 3>We get to choose how we're going to deal with it,

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.400
<v Speaker 3>and we should be prepared for whatever the day brings physically, mentally, emotionally,

0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.840
<v Speaker 3>and spiritually. And she says, if you're in and a

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.240
<v Speaker 3>situation that you have no control over and you need help,

0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 3>you pray for what you need, not for what you want.

0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 3>And so I put my head down on the raft

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.640
<v Speaker 3>and I say, God, I can't die tonight. I've got

0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.440
<v Speaker 3>too much to do. I've got My wife was four

0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.640
<v Speaker 3>months pregnant with our first child, and I thought to myself,

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.119
<v Speaker 3>how selfish of it would be for me to not

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 3>be there and for her to get that knock on

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.040
<v Speaker 3>the door. I did not want her to get that

0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.879
<v Speaker 3>knock on the door.

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Your wife was four months pregnant at this time?

0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Exactly?

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Did that thought process went through your head? Just as

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I suppose you're going to give up, It's like, I

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.359
<v Speaker 2>can't give up. I've got to stay alive. My wife

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.080
<v Speaker 2>is pregnant, I've got a child on the way. And

0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:24.040
<v Speaker 2>was it that for that ultimately switched things up.

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.120
<v Speaker 3>It'll give you superhuman strength, Yeah, absolutely, because I took

0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.479
<v Speaker 3>that raft. I took that raft and I shoved it

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:33.399
<v Speaker 3>down into the base between my legs like this. I

0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 3>threw my shoulder into it like that, and I rode

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 3>the wave up. And when I crested the top of

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.399
<v Speaker 3>the wave and went down the backside, my body flipped

0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.560
<v Speaker 3>right into the raft and I was sitting there perfectly,

0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.600
<v Speaker 3>and my leg from the knee down was hanging ninety

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 3>to the right over the side. My foot was turned

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 3>around backwards and folded up underneath me, and this arm

0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 3>was a bit back like that. And I'm looking at this.

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking to myself, you can't live out here looking

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 3>like this. You're going to be out here a long time.

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.439
<v Speaker 3>You can't sit here and be looking at yourself like this.

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 3>So you got to straighten yourself out. This is one

0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.199
<v Speaker 3>of those times where it's better to look good than

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 3>to feel good. And so I I grabbed my leg

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 3>and I heaved it in and it went from ninety

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.200
<v Speaker 3>right to ninety left. It's now resting across the top

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.240
<v Speaker 3>of my other leg, and I'm thinking, oh, that doesn't

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.680
<v Speaker 3>look right either, So I shoved it down into the

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:29.479
<v Speaker 3>base of the raft. I pulled my foot out from

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 3>underneath me and got it pointed or in the right direction.

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Brought my arm around and immobilized it into my harness.

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:39.080
<v Speaker 3>And now I know I didn't structurally fix anything, but

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm if I'm going to be out here, I want

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:42.520
<v Speaker 3>everything pointed in the right direction.

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.359
<v Speaker 3>So now I'm starting to go into shock. I'm shaking uncontrollably.

0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 3>I know that if I don't stop and treat myself

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 3>for the shock, that I'm going to go unconscious. And

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 3>at that point, I reached down to my g suit pocket.

0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 3>We have these pockets on the legs, and I opened

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.680
<v Speaker 3>the zipper where I always kept a water bottle. I

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.119
<v Speaker 3>stuck my hand down into that pocket to retrieve that

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.239
<v Speaker 3>water bottle, and the water bottle had been blown right

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.479
<v Speaker 3>through the bottom of the pocket and was gone. Well,

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 3>I was kept my wallet in the other pocket. I

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:13.000
<v Speaker 3>wanted to see if it was there. Opened the zipper

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 3>and stuck my hand down in there, and my wallet

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.679
<v Speaker 3>was also blown through the bottom of the pocket and

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.840
<v Speaker 3>it was gone. And then I started thinking, crap. I

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.239
<v Speaker 3>got to cancel credit cards. I got to go get

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 3>a new driver's license.

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I lastly, you tell me that that didn't go through

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>your head.

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.160
<v Speaker 3>That is exactly what went through my head. I'm thinking,

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 3>somebody is good, that's wallet's gonna wash up, and somebody

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:34.880
<v Speaker 3>is gonna get twenty bucks. And that was a lot

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 3>of money back in the day.

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 2>But Brian, do you think do you think that way

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 2>of thinking just just strats the mind from the bigger issues?

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, it keeps you alive on to me, doesn't it,

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>because you know you're just trying to keep the mind

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.159
<v Speaker 2>active if you're trying not to, like you said, go

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 2>into shock. So I suppose all these little things that

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:59.719
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking about a positive distraction from not actually looking

0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 2>at the big up problem, which is you can't move.

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>You're now floating in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 2>with one arm. Ultimately, and col you're probably not going

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>to make it out there.

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 3>I have had the privilege of meeting and speaking to

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:31.640
<v Speaker 3>numerous Vietnam POWs and people that have gone through just

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:36.480
<v Speaker 3>incredibly insane things, and there's one common denominator that I

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 3>have found in all of those people. The events are different,

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:43.959
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of similarity between the events, but the

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:47.440
<v Speaker 3>one common denominator I have found is a sense.

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Of humor the face of adversity.

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right. To find humor in the darkest places.

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 3>If you can laugh at yourself and the situation that

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 3>you're in, that's half the battle right there.

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping you're going to say that, because that's

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>one of the War Marine core values is humor in

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the face of adversity. And it's so true. It works.

0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Live it, love it, laughing man, Just just freaking deal

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 3>with what you got in front of you and trudge

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:22.120
<v Speaker 3>on through. And things can always get worse. I mean,

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, I picture where you're at, where I'm at

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>in the situation that I'm at, But you know what,

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm still alive. I'm still bringing in and out. And

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 3>the other thing that I tell people, I said, is

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 3>we all set these goals, right, Well, every goal has

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 3>a set of sub goals. You'd go trying to attack

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 3>this goal. It's overwhelming, but you attack each sub goal,

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 3>and each sub goal that's successful gives you confidence to

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 3>keep going. And that's what that night was all about.

0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 3>It was a little victories exactly. That leads to the

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>ultimate of surviving the situation.

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 2>So talk to me about these Neil victories. So obviously

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you sort your legs out the visual thing of right,

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I need to look droper because psychologically is going to

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>help me. How did you get through those moments because

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>you're were You're in the water for like five hours.

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I used to teach survival, and one of the things

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 3>that I always taught was to survive what I called

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 3>the survival rule of threes. The survival rule of three say,

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 3>you can only survive about three seconds if you don't

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 3>have the will to survive. And my will was to

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.239
<v Speaker 3>get home to see my wife. That's going to keep

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 3>you moving, that's going to keep you motivated. You can

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 3>survive about three minutes without air, either from drowning or suffocation.

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 3>You can survive about three hours in extreme conditions extreme

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 3>cold or extreme heat. I have a thermaa heat stroke, whatever.

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.760
<v Speaker 3>You can survive about three days without water, three weeks

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 3>without food, and three months without human companionship. Before you're

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 3>putting smiley faces on volleyballs and them Wilson, you know.

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:05.439
<v Speaker 3>So that's that's your roadmap for success is how what

0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 3>do I need to do and when do I need

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 3>to do it? First of all, I want to. I

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 3>want to get home to see my wife. Second of all,

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I got to get out of that water and into

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 3>this raft that's going to keep me from drowning. And

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 3>the next point is build my home so that I

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 3>don't die of hypothermia because the waves are still crashing

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 3>in and I've got to get my home built. And

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 3>that's manual inflation. And there's three components to that raft,

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 3>and only the main donut ring partially inflates. You have

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 3>to complete that inflation, and then you have to inflate

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the floor, and then a spray shield pup tent that

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 3>pops up over the top of you. My face was

0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 3>so distorted I couldn't create a seal around the tube

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 3>to blow that up. I had to grab the valve

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 3>with my teeth, clamp my hands down around my lips

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>to create the seal. My lips stuck out past my

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 3>third finger. That's how distorted my face was. So there

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 3>was a point where I'm sitting there laughing at myself

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 3>and how funny I must look with my lips stuck

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 3>out like a duck. And I blow and I blow,

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 3>and it was like blowing up party balloons for your

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:10.360
<v Speaker 3>kid's birthdays. You start getting lightheaded, and I like God,

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 3>I got to take a break. I pulled the tube

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 3>out of my mouth. The first time I did, the

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 3>valve didn't self seal, and about half the air that

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I just blew in leaked out before I could get

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 3>the valve turned off. So on subsequent attempts, I'd grab

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 3>the valve with my teeth. I'd clamp my hands down

0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 3>around my lips in the tube. I'd twist to open

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 3>the valve, I blow the air in, and I twist

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 3>it back off when I needed to take a break.

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 3>It took me two hours to get my home built

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 3>and then get the water bailed out. So it's about

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 3>step by step through those processes. You just don't stop.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>People that don't survive usually it's because of misprioritization or

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 3>they just give up. The one thing you have absolute

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 3>no control over is when you're going to get rescued.

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 3>What you have one hundred percent control over is are

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 3>you going to be alive when you get rescued. Meaning

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>let's focus on what we have control over, not what

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 3>we don't.

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 2>And so you've got your house in order after two hours.

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Took me through the next couple of hours because coh

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>those hours went by car like days, didn't they.

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 3>It's it's all relative, I mean. And you anybody that's

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 3>been through the training, I don't care. You've been through

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 3>the training. You know it's going to suck. It's just

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 3>that's just the way it is. It sucks, right, here's

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>where you are deal with it is what it boils

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>down to. So what I did during those hours that

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 3>I was out there after I managed to get my

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 3>raft inflated, my home built, the water bailed out. Now

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I've got to stay focused on a task. I can't

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 3>just sit here and start thinking about, oh, miserable me.

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I have to start thinking ahead, what's the next step.

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that, Brian. There's no time to feel sorry

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>for yourself in a situation like that, is there There's

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>no mentality, there's no oh look at me, pull me.

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll just lie here now. And because that's

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>when ultimately you give up. I think that's a really

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>really important message, is you know, you've just got to

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>keep going. There's no time to feel sorry for yourself.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 3>There isn't and you just have to keep working, keep working,

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 3>keep working. And so what I did is the harness

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 3>the flashlight that was attached to my harness was blown

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>off during the ejection. But many things in that survival

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 3>kit weren't waterproof, and one of them was the flashlight

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 3>that was in the survival kit wasn't waterproof, so the

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 3>first wave that came by shorted it out and that

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>was it. I was in a black raft in the

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 3>middle of the ocean, in the middle of the night.

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 3>No moon, no stars, no flashlight, no anything in this

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>little cocoon. I've got to figure out what I have

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 3>available and where it is. So I pulled each piece

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 3>of it equipment out of my rucksack kit. I felt

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>for what it was, and I started locating it alphabetically

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 3>up and down my legs so that I knew where

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 3>things were. I filed myself with survival equipment up and

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 3>down my legs, so that way, if I needed something,

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 3>I at least knew the general direction of where to

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 3>go to find it, rather than sitting around digging in

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 3>a kit for it. And that kept me occupied for

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 3>a good another hour. And the last hour that was

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>tough because I had pretty much accomplished everything and now

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:39.479
<v Speaker 3>it was trying to stay conscious. I knew I was bleeding.

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 3>The back of my leg was dashed open, my face

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.040
<v Speaker 3>was all cut. You can tell everywhere you're bleeding in saltwater.

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And I knew that if I went to sleep or

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 3>even took a nap, that I may not wake up.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I have head injuries, internal injuries.

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 3>So I've got to stay focused and keep moving, keep driving,

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 3>keep going. So periodically I would pull the side of

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 3>the raft down and I would yell for Dennis. I

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>just yelled Dennis's name. And I'm sure you've been there.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 3>But if for those of you've never been in a

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the ocean, all you hear is

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 3>waves crashing and windblowing. That's it. And even if the

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 3>sun angle is just right and the sea state is calm,

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>there's only about a seventy percent chance if they know

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 3>the area that they're going to be able to find

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 3>you at night. That drops to zero. In fact, since then,

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 3>I've been able to fly with a lot of we

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 3>call him Coasti's coast guard guys who have gone out

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>on all of these calls. And one guy I was

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 3>speaking with, he goes, he just he was very quiet

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 3>for the longest time and we're flying and he goes,

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, I've just I've just been sitting there thinking,

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 3>he goes, You're not supposed to be here. He goes.

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I have been called out on hundreds and hundreds of

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>case is for people that are out in the open water,

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 3>and of those hundreds cases, we either didn't find anyone,

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 3>or if we did find them, they were gone, they

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 3>were dead. I actually facilitated my own rescue. They didn't

0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 3>find me. I found them by staying awake and staying

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 3>engaged and staying active. About the time, I've had really

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 3>run out of things to do. I mean, I was

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>telling myself jokes, which they're not funny when you know

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 3>the punchlines, you know. But I was working on a

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 3>delivery to you.

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm to your quite sane.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.959
<v Speaker 3>So yes, I'm slapping myself in the face. I'm, you know,

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 3>yelling for Dennis. I'm doing everything I can think of.

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Just try to stay conscious and lo and behold. I

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 3>heard a unique sound off in the distance. And once

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 3>you've heard it once, you never forget that sound. And

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 3>it was the turboprops of the sea one thirty hercules aircraft.

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a unique sound. And I heard those turboprops way

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 3>off in the distance, and I peek out and I

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.719
<v Speaker 3>could see the position lights of the aircraft flying a pattern,

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 3>and then often the distance beyond that, I could hear

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 3>the faint rotor walk of at age sixty, and I thought,

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, they're out here, and they're serious about

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 3>getting me out of here tonight. And I thought to myself,

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 3>if I don't make contact with them, they're never going

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 3>to find me. So now, all of this whole time

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 3>that I've been in the water, it's been nothing but survival,

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.879
<v Speaker 3>and now it's time to shift gears and start thinking

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 3>about rescue. But even while you're thinking about the rescue,

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 3>you're still surviving. You don't stop surviving. That's the mindset

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 3>you have to have. So I'm frantically trying to get

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 3>to my survival radio. Back then it was a PRC

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 3>ninety radio. It had two frequencies, uniform guard and then

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 3>a uniform backup guard. And so I turned the radio on,

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 3>turned the volume up, pulled the antenna up, and I

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:57.720
<v Speaker 3>was kind of shocked that I didn't hear eelts. I thought, Okay,

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 3>why am I not hearing ELTs? And I started transmitting.

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 3>I thought i'd be hearing Dennis working the rescue. I

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't hear that. I started transmitting my call sign swored

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 3>nine to three May Day, and no response. I must

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 3>have tried a dozen times, and I tried the backup

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 3>frequency and still nothing. And then I went back to

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the primary frequency. I'm like, now I'm thinking, crap, my

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 3>radio doesn't work. But this is all I have. And

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 3>so I kept trying, kept trying, and finally the pilot

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 3>of the C one thirty answered back. That was amazing. Well,

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, oh my gosh, they know I'm alive.

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>So how did that conversation go? You just put out

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>your call sign? And then someone got back to me

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>saying that I'll read you loud and clear.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 3>Loud and clear, And then they went into authentication process.

0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:50.360
<v Speaker 3>They want to do authentic. I go, I can understand

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 3>if we're in a combat zone, but I'm sixty five

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 3>miles ouf the coast of North Carolina. How many people

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 3>do you think are down here? And why don't you

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 3>just rescue all of us? Yeah? Why don't you rescue

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:02.799
<v Speaker 3>all of us? We'll work out the pleasantries when I

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 3>get on board. They're asking me the middle to my

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.239
<v Speaker 3>social security to the last four they're asked me whether

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 3>the street that irew grew up on all those those

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>security questions, and there was a reason. At the time,

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I thought, this is the nuttiest thing I've ever seen.

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 3>But the reason that they were doing that is because

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 3>my wife had gotten the dock on the door. She

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 3>is four months pregnant. Knock comes. It's a chaplain, a

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 3>doctor's quadron, commander's quatern commander's wife. They were going to

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 3>notify her that we were down and missing. And so

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<v Speaker 3>when they were trying to figure out who it was,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't want to call my house and it be Dennis,

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<v Speaker 3>or call Dennis's wife and be me. So they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to sort that all out. So for me though, it

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<v Speaker 3>was like, why are we wasting time? I'm me, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't care, Just luck come get me. And then obviously

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want you to use in your name over

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<v Speaker 3>the radio because all the media listening in and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So I said, you've got me, and then I knew

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<v Speaker 3>I was going home. I'll never forget the picture of

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<v Speaker 3>that rescue swimmer, Jim Peterson. I still keep in touch

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<v Speaker 3>with him. It's been twenty nine years and we still

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<v Speaker 3>talk every year. The last thing I had to do

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<v Speaker 3>was let the air out of the spray shield and

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<v Speaker 3>get it down, and I knew when I did, the

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<v Speaker 3>waves are going to start coming in, and the wind's

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<v Speaker 3>going to start blowing in, and things are already getting

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<v Speaker 3>miserable because I've started to move around again. I get

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<v Speaker 3>the spray shield deflated. He comes swimming up to me

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<v Speaker 3>and he introduces himself. He says, I'm Coastguard rescue swimmer

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Peterson. I'm here to rescue. I said, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Air Force Captain Brian new Dell, and I'm here to

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<v Speaker 3>be rescued. Let's get the hell out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that, I SI, Brian, thank you ever so

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<v Speaker 2>much for coming on the podcast. Phenomenal story, phenomenal lessons

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<v Speaker 2>and huge inspiration and I listened to all the best

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<v Speaker 2>of the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Buddy, Hey, pleasure beating you, being able to speak with you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an honor. Thanks so much.

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