WEBVTT - Credlin | 19 August 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.960 Peter Quedlin live from year twenty four. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.800 Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:15.680 tonight on Predline. Finally tonight, years of fighting a big 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.040 sign of hope for Victorian farmers. It's massive Labour's intrusive 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.160 V nine West transmission line is dead if Jess Wilson 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.680 wins in November. The man who's spearheaded this fight, Farmer's 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.839 Fight Back founder Ben Duckson joins me shortly. Pressure intensifies 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.800 on Labour's MATCHO of his cuts to veteran health and 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.000 that botched meeting this week. In question time today, the 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.400 Prime Minister was forced to step in. We'll speak with 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.640 the former fighter pilot who was in the room as 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:50.400 veterans groups now demand his resignation. Plus more on the 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.440 convicted child sex offender, a foreign national pleading to remain 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:59.880 in Australia because he's homosexual, and claims of fake migration agents. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.680 Tony Burke. He's gone missing and still hasn't delivered that 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.160 big reform speech he promised, and Labor today added again 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.480 despite analysis, it clearly reveals pressure on housing and increasing rents. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.800 The Housing Minister wants you to believe that This is 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.600 a government that doesn't lie. Only listen to the slip 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.640 of tongue from her colleague. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.600 We should try to speak the truth in this chamber whenever, 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.000 not the fictional world that's been created by those officers. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.120 Of course, this government closed the labor liar loophole, which 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.240 meant that that many people doing the same job. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:41.959 Okay, I'll do it again. 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.360 Order the labor higher loophole, a labor higher loop. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.720 Hop Okay, I make it up. Can you for first 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.400 calls for the resignation of veterans Minister mat Keo only 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.320 intensified today now yesterday you recall the incredible report from 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.360 the delegation of Veterans about their meeting with Keo after 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.279 he was shamed into giving him giving them time. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.440 In his diary, Minister Keyo was forced to have a 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.600 meeting with us at five point thirty. It was obvious 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.680 he did not want to be there. He even let 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.560 us know that he was missing an appointment with the 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.800 Governor General, which he was very upset about. He walked 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.840 into the room, refused to shake our hand, sat down 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.240 with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes when we 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:33.000 started telling him about the effect that this cap already 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.520 is having on veterans. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.440 There's two from the mother of a young naval officer 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.240 who took his own life. 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.960 Why would anybody want to join the ADF with him 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.520 as the Minister for Defense Personnel and the Minister for veterans. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.560 He doesn't care about them. Let's call him out, Prime Minister. 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:57.919 The minister's position is untenable and he needs to go, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.600 and you need to meet with us. You promised me 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.400 in opposition that you would look after veterans. You are 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:04.560 failing us. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.800 And then this exchange with our political editor Andrew Clanell. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.200 His officer have said to me he didn't want to 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.120 trouble you guys to stand, okay, I'll see your reaction 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.520 to that, and that he shook all your hands on 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.640 the way out. What do you say to that, mate. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.919 We've met with various politicians and political and media people 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.000 what we've been here, and including labor politicians who were great, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.320 They were gracious. Everyone has shook the hands of the veterans. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.920 Everyone has spoken to us with respect and we've shown respect. 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.960 But it was a different scenario with Minister Keo. There 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.720 is a disdain that I think when you speak to 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.760 the veteran community and those serving. It's been obvious since 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.040 he was appointed minister. 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.000 What happened though in that meeting? Did he listen to 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.320 your concerns about the Allied healthcare cap? Did he express 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.120 any sympathy? 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.920 No sympathy at all. He actually said to us at 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.000 one stage that you know, if we see a veteran 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:06.280 going through a process rehabilitation and say after twelve treatments 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.000 there has been no improvement, why would we continue this? 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.640 By mid morning today, the calls for Keo's resignation were 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:19.000 only growing. By question time, he was clearly under pressure. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.359 He is the minister confident veterans would agree he is 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.200 upholding the Covenant oath. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.159 Why on earth hasn't the minister picked up the phone 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.360 to the CEO of the organization representing Australia's war widows. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.920 How can the Minister continue as Minister for the Veterans' Affairs 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:40.080 and Defense Personnel if he cannot uphold defense values. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.760 Former Air Force fighter jet pilot doctor Tim Nelson spoke 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.920 about the minister's behavior in a meeting and I quote 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.880 he walked into the room, refused to shake our hand, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.640 sat down with his arms crossed and rolled his eyes. Yesterday, 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.720 the Minister told the House and I quote, I don't 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.720 agree with the characteration that you've just outlined. Is the 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.000 minister calling this veteran a lyle. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.240 When the Opposition leader got to his feed, he laid 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.680 out the minister's catalog of incompetence and failure. It was 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.400 hard then to see how he could survive. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.840 Yesterday, the Minister for Veterans Affairs admitted he got it 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.120 wrong and refusing to meet with veterans to discuss Labour's 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.040 cruel cap on Allied health services. He also got it 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:31.520 wrong on trying to put a use by date on 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.520 medallic recognition. He got it wrong on refusing to support 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.960 the Invictors Games, and he got it wrong on cutting 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:43.760 funding for the family of fallen Victoria Cross hero Cameron Baird, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:49.680 vc MG. Why won't the Prime Minister sack this incompetent 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.600 and disrespectful minister. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.880 Well, despite that, the Prime Minister backed him in saying this. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:03.240 I have every confidence in the minute. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.520 Weakness will be Albanzi's epitaph. What started out as a 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.560 lamentable decision by Minister mat Keo to refuse to meet 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.919 the delegation a former military personnel who traveled especially to 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.760 Canberra to meet him to appeal his decision to cut 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.480 their access to Allied health services has now snowballed into 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.960 a test of leadership for Keo's boss. Now, if John 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.599 Howard were in the lodge, the Veterans Minister or he 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:36.479 would be gone already. But rather than penalize weak ministers, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.560 Albanesi runs a protection racket for them. That's why his 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:45.360 front bench is now crowded with individuals whose personal conduct 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:50.360 and portfolio performance should have meant early retirement. It's not 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.279 just the snouts in the trough, like Arnaca Wells, who 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.279 thinks she's entitled to act like a D grade celebrity 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.800 rather than a servant of the people. It's the fact 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.719 that people like Koh are not held to the same 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.160 standards that are now expected in the real world and 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.560 at once we got from our elected leaders. Look at 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.760 the case of Darwin based Labor MP Luke Gosling, the 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.360 Prime Minister's Special Envoy for Defense. He faces the serious 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.320 criminal chargers now after fourteen years in prison for allegedly 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.880 assaulting the NT's Special Administrator, but he remains in his job. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.520 Compare that with the Sydney Swans. The AFL players stood 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:37.280 down this afternoon, even before a concluded police investigation, and 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.400 in the absence to date of any chargers. In the past, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.040 ministers went under the bus over a color TV, a 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.720 Paddington bearer, a teenage son racking up a big phone bill, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.080 or a helicopter ride. Not so today. Indeed, under alban 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:59.000 Easy is anything left a sackable offense. The Prime Minister 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.800 thinks he wins p for being loyal, but loyalty should 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:07.640 only be extended where it's deserved. Otherwise leadership is eroded 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.800 excusing bad behavior in competence. This respect is not loyalty, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.120 in fact, it's weakness. It says that the party leader 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.080 lacks the internal capital to make tough but necessary decisions 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.840 with our caucus or party room repercussions. Albanesi has a 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:29.320 massive parliamentary majority, and hanging on to deadwood or worse, 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:33.040 ministers like Keo who are actually causing collateral damage to 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:38.760 the government, well that breeds disquiet. Talented backbenches would not 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:43.120 be happy that Albanese's willingness to excuse Keo protects the 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:49.040 status quo and hampers their advancement. Understand too. The signal 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.960 this sends to the wider ministry that underperformance will be 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.280 excused and indeed tolerated. Now, this is a shocking outcome 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:02.840 for voters. Legislating legislation caps the number of ministers in 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:08.680 Australia federally at thirty positions only, and that should create 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.320 a competitive force that pushes MPs to excel in order 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.960 to gain or keep a promotion. But this benefit disappears 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.800 if poor performance goes unpunished, and if bad behavior is protected, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:28.080 it means too that new talent doesn't get advanced. Once again, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.480 like his own disrespect towards the Japanese Prime Minister. All 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:36.560 of this goes to Albanese's character as a leader and 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.360 the character of his government. Words are cheap when the 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.120 Prime Minister stands at the dispatch box as he did 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.680 yesterday to commemorate the sixtieth anniversary of the Battle of 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:52.360 Long Tan on Vietnam Veterans Day, but then sits on 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.400 his hands while his Veterans minister shows them sustained and 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:03.520 repeated contempt that Keyo must resign and if he won't, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.240 they're the Prime Minister must sack him. Now, believe me, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.240 if there is one group a politician does not want 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.920 to go to war with. That is our veterans. They 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.120 have been trained to put their lives on the line 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.640 and to kill. I know who's going to win here, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.920 and it will not be the minister who can barely 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:35.000 look up from the dispatch box. Let's head to Camberan 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.880 now for the headlines. Our political reporter on standby cam 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:39.480 Reddin good evening. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.840 The so called widow's tax is no more. The Parliament 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.319 has agreed to amend it out of Labour's reform package. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:47.520 Shame on this government. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.080 I commend Angus Taylor, the leader of the Opposition, for 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.080 sustaining this campaign to bring about change, and. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.559 I think those who have contributed to this debate and 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.880 I welcome the passage of this and I know that 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:01.880 Treasure welcomes the passage of this bill. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.600 The National Australia Bank, Ray White and the Labor Government 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.920 have all sorts of play down suggestions the rental market 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:10.080 is about to spike. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.480 I think there has been a lot of irresponsible and 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.920 unnecessary scare mongering when it comes to the impact of 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.400 the government's tax reforms. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.040 The Major Bank and Real Estate Agency have clarified reports 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.880 rents could rise by up to thirty percent due to 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.040 the tax changes. They argue, that's how much they would 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.120 need to rise to compensate for the loss of property 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.280 tax concessions. But it's not a projection of where prices 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:36.800 will go. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.880 Is the Minister damn proud of making millions of Australians 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.199 pay higher rents? 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.520 So I just want to remind the Parliament that when 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.200 they came into the Parliament yesterday they accused the National 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.880 Australia Bank of saying the same thing, and then the 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.760 National Australia Bank clarified this was not a forecast and 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.520 it is important to note that we do not forecast 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.520 rental yields seriously. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.760 Cameron Reddin, News twenty four Canberra. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.760 We'll stay with that' spin there from the Minister today 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.080 Warnings from Australia's largest rent role manager, Ray White, who 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.640 says Labour's budget could lead to a thirty percent spike 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.520 in the costs for tenants. Now extraordinarily front pages there 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.480 you can see of the paper showcases the surge of 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:27.880 rents in the Treasurer's own electorate of Lily up almost 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.720 thirty percent in some homes. Joining me now on my 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.959 panel they both of course, News twenty four hosts James 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.440 Morrow and Jamie Rodgers will stay with that issue there 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.280 in relation to rents, James, because labor did this in 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.240 the past. They famously reversed negative gearing in the mid eighties. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.040 It caused a spike in rents. They then had to 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.400 drop it and reverse policy. Course. Now, Jim Chalmers did 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.480 his PhD in Paul Keating. Didn't he learn anything? 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.000 Well, you know, it's interesting when you say that he 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.880 did his doctorate in Keating. I think it's more than 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.120 he is doctorate in Keating ology. He did not do 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.440 his doctorate in economics, so I think he'd like people 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.640 to think he did. But it was all about just 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.320 sort of the politics of Paul Keating, not really about, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.600 you know, the economic reform that Paul Keating drove. That 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.800 Paul Keating being a fairly different Paul Keating of course 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.920 than the one we see these days. If he had 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.080 learned anything from that government though in his time is treasure, 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.080 it would be that this sort of interference in the 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.360 market is going to have all sorts of unintended consequences. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.760 It's having it with rents, with the wealth effect, with 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.320 people feeling less confident in the economy. But Peter, what 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.040 do we overall expect. I mean, this is a government 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.960 that things food come from the supermarket and that money 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:47.040 grows on trees. So of course we're in this situation here, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.520 and it's going to cause all sorts of problems. Before 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.000 they start unwinding. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:55.440 It, they could say, oh, they like that rents are 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.480 not going out, But if you are in a property 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.520 and you've just got to notice that the landlord's hiking 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.440 the rents, if you're outside your least term, Jamie, the 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.560 government's basically adding insult to injury. They're telling them, you know, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.880 the gas lighting you. And we can see from that 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.480 analysis today of his own Seat of Lily, rates are hiking, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:14.600 and the hiking fast. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.400 And we also see it online, Peter. There's people that 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.280 are constantly writing saying so much for treasuries modeling of 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.600 rent only going up by two dollars a week, when 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.840 we're seeing it going up by five dollars or ten 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.320 dollars or thirty dollars in some cases. And to your point, 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.160 it's the government that are just continuing to gaslight the voters. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.720 But also just take us all for mugs. We need 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.560 you to be serious on what's going on in our economy. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.960 And when we're seeing reports that investor home loans as 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.960 well as first buyer home loans are all on the decline, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.040 it shows that something isn't working right now, and when 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.080 you want something that's more of it, you don't go 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.800 out and tax it. And we're also still not addressing 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.680 the underlying issue that is facing our housing crisis, and 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.200 that still supply construction have got red tape and make 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.120 it incredibly hard to go out and build. It's expensive, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.680 and we're seeing construction companies going under and of course 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.760 record numbers of people coming into this country. So we've 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.400 got a real supply crisis here, Peter, and it's not 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.160 being addressed. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.320 Jamie. I'll stay with you if I can. I know 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.320 you're involved in a footy club. Of course, it's another 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.800 code than the AFL. But that news today that those 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:26.760 Swans players have been suspended, it's for club related breaches. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.960 At this stage the police investigation into the claims from 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.600 the weekend is still ongoing. But I want to call 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:37.120 out this lecture from Labour's Tanya Plebisik. Now she's gone 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.000 out there with a whole lot of high moral ground 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:45.920 language about these allegations. But last week she was out 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.840 there defending the Prime Minister and his appalling conduct. She 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:55.320 wasn't just silent on his podcast conduct, she defended it. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.720 I mean, this is rank hypocrisy, It really is. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.480 Peter and Madeline King was also on with Kieran Gilbert 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.800 during the day, also talking about the Sydney Swan situation. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.440 And it's unfortunately the reality that Anthony Albanezi has put 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.720 his female MPs into this position because Tanya Plibasek should 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.720 be out there standing up for women and defending and 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.400 standing up against poor behavior. But unfortunately now when she's 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.880 doing that, you should see the social media comments that 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.120 are underneath that post that you just showed. Is scathing 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.040 if people saying, hang on a second, you're calling out 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.720 institutions that shape young boys and that they should set 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.080 a standard, and yet you've allowed a standard within the 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.600 leader of the Prime Minister to just go unnoticed or 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.160 go and defend it. So the Prime Minister also needs 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.840 to be setting a standard of what's acceptable behavior in 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.760 this country. He is the leader and unfortunately now every 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.480 time one of his female MPs tries to stand up 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.160 for women. This is the hypocrisy that they're now going 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:52.640 to face. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.760 Not all disrespect ends up in violence against women, but 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.600 all violence against women starts with this reptipt, and that's 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.720 the nexus I think the Prime Minister needs to remember. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.639 Let's go to that announcement for One Nation yesterday. They 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.440 want a serious cut of the excise on tobacco James 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.600 I went it down by seventy five percent. They want 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.320 to tackle obviously the black market, but in particular organized crime. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.000 Reports today that the coalitionians also looking at some sort 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:25.040 of cut eighty percent, and very strange bedfellows here incomes 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.520 New South Wales Premier Chris Mins. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:28.720 Yeah. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.480 Well, to be honest with you, I've been calling for 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.000 the same thing for about a year, so it'd be 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:40.439 pretty disingenuous to come on after one nation agreed with 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.320 that policy and say they're wrong. So I'm not going 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.119 to say that. I mean, the grim reality is that 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.879 the excise has pushed up the legal cost of cigarettes 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.560 in our economy, and at the same time the black 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.639 market has exploded. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.440 Yet again. James, I mean all credit to mens here. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.240 He's decided to play the policy game, not the politics game. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.200 He has argued for it. He didn't try and walk 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.000 away from that today. And I think this is the 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.439 debate that the robust adult debate we have to have 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.720 about tobacco pricing in this country. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.200 Well yeah, I mean, look, we are addicted to excise taxes, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.840 not just tobacco taxes, but alcohol taxes as well of 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.480 other syn taxes in this country. Yes, of course, I 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.320 mean the basic economics of it are such. Again, it 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:30.280 goes back to labor Chris Men's accepted failure to understand, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.720 you know, the way the economy and taxes work. There's 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:34.800 a thing called the Laffer curve where it shows that 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.840 at a certain point, if you raise taxes so high, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.719 then the revenue drops off. We long ago hit that 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.680 there's billions of dollars missing in the budget from tobacco 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.760 excise tax because everybody who smokes, all the people I 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.879 know who spoke, they're all buying illegal cigarettes. And the 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.000 law enforcement, the bureaucracy that, you know, all of the 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.679 stuff that Chris Mens's government has to deal with in 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.080 terms of enforcing the laws here. He doesn't want to 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.520 have to deal with this. So yeah, okay, fine, maybe 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.280 a few more people might smoke, but this way of 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.399 taxing smoking out of existence. You have to admit that 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.160 it's been an absolute failure. So yeah, good on Chrispins. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.480 I'd like to see the coalition come along for the 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:14.119 ride on it. But ultimately I'd like to see the 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.760 federal government look at that and also, you know, look 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.399 at other syntaxes which are again some of the highest 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.840 in the world when it comes to buying a beer 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.480 or a bal of spirits in this country. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.320 Yeah, I have an issue, and I've long had an 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.080 issue with a discrepancy between the taxation on spirits and 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.200 the taxation on beer. I'd like to say, and wine. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.320 I'd like to see a bit of equity there. Let's 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.560 go to this story about battery fires. This has been coming. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.240 We've warned about this. There's an example in the press 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.439 today about a huge battery fire at a home in Wa. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:49.280 It happened a day after this Bowen battery was installed. Jamie, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:54.119 this has got Labour's pink bat scheme written all over it. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.080 To me, the really concerning number within that article, Peter 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.359 is sixty two percent of bat trees that were assessed 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.120 were deemed to be substandard. And it ultimately did come 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.439 down majority of those two incorrect labeling, So off the 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.680 back of that, the government has now put in force 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.280 that you must then provide upload photographic evidence to ensure 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.919 that there is correct labeling, something that you would have 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.199 thought was probably going to be in place before this 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.359 battery program was rolled out. But when we look at 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.399 the sheer volume of numbers, five hundred thousand batteries have 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.280 been installed, the program is blown from two point three 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.280 billion to more than eight billion, and it poses the 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:35.040 question was the priority to get the program right and 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.080 ensure that regulations were all ticked off appropriately or was 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.200 the plan just to quick roll these out as quickly 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.159 as you can and then sort out the regulation later on, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:45.600 And I fear it's the latter. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.320 Thank you to you both, James and Jamie for more. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.600 Now on the pressure facing the Veterans Minister, who stands 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:55.960 accused of showing disinterest, even rolling his eyes, refusing to 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.680 shake the hands of veterans all over a meeting as 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:03.280 they can to Canberra to lobby against his cuts to 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.639 their allied health services. One of the people in the 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.600 room at the time former rapt fighter pilot doctor Tim Nelson. Now, 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.840 of course a medical doctor was there and I'm pleased 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.280 to say, he joins us now, Tim, thank you for 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.560 your time. I'm sorry I'm talking to you under these circumstances, 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:24.359 and I think many of my viewers had the same disgust, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.720 really that you have to go to Canberra with a 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.959 begging bowl to get services that we all think veterans 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:33.080 should be entitled to. The Minister admitted he got it 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.240 wrong when he didn't give you that meeting from the outset, 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:39.280 but he doesn't share your criticism about how he conducted 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.719 himself in the meeting. There's been no apology in relation 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.320 to the claim that you have that he was petulant, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.800 that he didn't shake hands, all of that. Do you 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:54.440 stand by your comments per better? 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.280 I call it as it is. I had three other 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.600 veterans in that room with me with over eighty years 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.240 expeace sperience in the defense at the highest possible levels 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:07.320 you look at I'm not a liar. I call it 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:10.920 as I see it. My job used to be flying 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:15.400 fighter jets. It was a fighter combat instructor whose role 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.840 was to pick up minute errors that were made, recall 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:25.160 those errors, at times flying a nine G in the aircraft, 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.000 and also then being able to come back recall those 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.879 on the ground and being able to debrief those so 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.960 to Actually, it's a bit of an insult to think 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.960 that I've mischaracterized what actually happened in that room and 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.159 what the other soldiers and Naval clearance divers in that 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.240 room are also confirmed. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.520 Seeing it's blown up to a national news story in 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.040 the last forty eight hours, what's been the response of 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:53.960 other veterans through around the country. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:03.480 Complete disgrace. I mean it's coming from everywhere, all in 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:07.320 the socials, all throughout the military network, the veterans network. 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:11.560 No one can actually fathom that the minister who was 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:16.560 in charge of defense personnel and veterans could be so 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:21.240 petty and to be coming in and making accusations about 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:27.960