Speaker 1: Welcome to the wait to play Hello and welcome to
Speaker 1: the Late Debate.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your company this evening.
Speaker 1: I'm Gabriella Power and joining us tonight is Joe Hildebrann
Speaker 1: and Frei Leach coming up on the show. Nigel Farag's
Speaker 1: Reform UK Party is certainly building momentum. The party has
Speaker 1: now taken over the Tory's membership numbers. Also, Russia's president
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin has flagged that he's ready to meet with
Speaker 1: President elect Donald Trump and back home. It's been along
Speaker 1: eighteen months, but more Redeeming has finally been readmitted to
Speaker 1: the Victorian Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: But first, what did Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: At Mara Lago look like? One big party? According to
Speaker 1: Page six. According to reports, Donald Trump was behind the
Speaker 1: DJ dex and he closed his set with YMCA with
Speaker 1: some of the crowd doing the Trump Dance, and the
Speaker 1: President elect reportedly played number of tunes including the theme
Speaker 1: of Founder of the Opera as well.
Speaker 2: As Elvis Presley songs.
Speaker 1: And tickets for the Christmas ever went event rather, I
Speaker 1: went for three hundred and.
Speaker 2: Fifty dollars each.
Speaker 1: But here's a little video of Donald Trump busting out
Speaker 1: some moves so he's not behind the DJ decks there,
Speaker 1: but those moves are iconic.
Speaker 3: It's funny, amazing, They're still Waxen and milkin.
Speaker 2: He gets worth three hundred, three hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1: I think people would pay a lot more to see
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he doesn't need the money. I wonder
Speaker 3: why wouldn't have just been a sort of invitation only
Speaker 3: only event for his you know, his first buddy, you know,
Speaker 3: is Elon Musk's and everything. I imagine he's probably giving giving
Speaker 3: the money to a charity of his choice. And I'm
Speaker 3: just going through my mind try to imagine what sort
Speaker 3: of charity Donald Trump would choose, Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: like astronauts for Trump or you know, love. It would
Speaker 3: be something amazing. But it's just I think it is
Speaker 3: just so. And we're seeing this sort of stuff just
Speaker 3: light up everywhere, you know, football games where everyone's doing
Speaker 3: a little Trump dads, or there's all these crazy memes
Speaker 3: doing the rounds. At the moment, the whole mood of
Speaker 3: America seems to have changed, and I think there was
Speaker 3: this kind of really constricted sort of fear that you know,
Speaker 3: that no one was allowed to say anything, or no
Speaker 3: one was allowed to actually just rewatch the Dave Chappelle
Speaker 3: The Closer special last night on Netflix, and just the
Speaker 3: amount of anxiety that people felt about what they were
Speaker 3: and weren't allowed to say or do in public, the earnestness,
Speaker 3: you know, the sort of doctrinaire sort of nagging by
Speaker 3: sort of liberal left East and West Coast Karens to
Speaker 3: the general population. And now it's almost like everyone has
Speaker 3: kind of realized, oh, we don't actually have to listen
Speaker 3: to them anymore. We can just sort of have fun
Speaker 3: do stupid stuff. And the fact that Donald Trump's signature,
Speaker 3: i mean, all the woke people attack him, obviously. Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's signature tune is from a gay pop group of
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies who sing about staying at the YMCA
Speaker 3: because it's all men, and whose makeup includes, you know,
Speaker 3: an African American, an Indian who may or may not
Speaker 3: be strictly Native American. I'm not sure if they've done
Speaker 3: a DNA test. And let's not forget the construction worker
Speaker 3: and the traffic cop. But again, it's just so it's
Speaker 3: so kind of bizarre and it makes no sense, and
Speaker 3: that's kind of the fun of it. There's no longer
Speaker 3: this humorous orthodoxy about what people have to believe and
Speaker 3: how they yes and how they have to behave. And
Speaker 3: I think that is what the left constantly missed about
Speaker 3: Trump's attraction. And you know, I've got made of mind
Speaker 3: in the Labor Party constantly bombarding me with just joyous
Speaker 3: tweets about how awesome it is to be under Trump,
Speaker 3: because people, even on the left have just so sick
Speaker 3: to the back teeth of it, and they thought this
Speaker 3: was a life sentence and Trump is action, know, and
Speaker 3: it's not doesn't have to be screw you.
Speaker 1: And Kamala Harris was trying to bang on about joy,
Speaker 1: but then look what the joy Johnald Trump is bringing.
Speaker 1: He's kind of becoming this cultural icon. He's becoming this
Speaker 1: cool politician with young people even though he's a seventy
Speaker 1: eight year old and people can't get enough of his
Speaker 1: dance move. That's the complete irony of it.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris ran her whole or attempted to run her
Speaker 4: whole campaign on this concept of bring joy back. But
Speaker 4: really it's as Joe said, it's the left that is
Speaker 4: killing joy and Trump is bringing joy back and is
Speaker 4: kind of cool, counter cultural Elon musk vivek Ramaswami, Doge,
Speaker 4: Department of Government Efficiency. Like it's all adding to this
Speaker 4: this sense that America is back, fun is back. We
Speaker 4: can actually be optimistic. And I think it's that that
Speaker 4: optimism that actually underlines the joy that we're seeing and
Speaker 4: the way the cultural vibe has just complepletely swung is
Speaker 4: genuinely incredible. And to see you know, even you said,
Speaker 4: young people jen Z YouTubers that I watch coming out
Speaker 4: supporting Trump, doing content with Trump, speaking at Trump rallies.
Speaker 5: That is just unheard of.
Speaker 4: Seeing a twenty five year old male like Bryce Hall,
Speaker 4: for example, very famous TikTok and YouTuber and he spoke
Speaker 4: at a Trump rally like it is just I don't
Speaker 4: think we've ever seen that kind of complete pendulum swing
Speaker 4: in pop culture ever.
Speaker 1: And he's brought sarcasm back, He's brought humor back.
Speaker 2: You know, the.
Speaker 1: Electric campaign when he was trolling Joe Biden, he brought
Speaker 1: out the garbage Truck's so funny.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, that's the thing. Funny.
Speaker 2: It's just such a it's rough. Politians don't speak that way.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, you know, the chaser for Republicans
Speaker 3: and again and this is the thing, and again, this
Speaker 3: is another really creepy thing about the kind of new
Speaker 3: doctrinaire upper middle class left who have become the new establishment.
Speaker 3: And you know, again you got everyone from you know,
Speaker 3: Johnny Rotten to Joe all these x kind of people
Speaker 3: who thought they were the rebels and they were the
Speaker 3: Alaricans and they were the the you know, they were
Speaker 3: the wild ones saying no, the left is now the
Speaker 3: horrible doctrinaire one. And Karma has banging on about joy
Speaker 3: is actually the perfect example because she's not actually saying
Speaker 3: anything funny. She's not actually giving you something to be
Speaker 3: joyous about it. She's just saying you have to be joyful.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of Paul Pot thing, isn't that
Speaker 3: you have? That's right. You have to love your leader,
Speaker 3: you have to be filled with love for the new Republic.
Speaker 3: You have to love the big brother, you know, like
Speaker 3: that is what you do when you don't actually, you know,
Speaker 3: it's feeling without content. Comedians don't you know, talk about joys,
Speaker 3: talking about laughter. Donald Trump doesn't get last by going
Speaker 3: out and say all right, everybody laugh. Now you get
Speaker 3: it by being funny, and it's being funny and again,
Speaker 3: you know, Ricky Gervais, Phil mah Dave Chappelle, you know
Speaker 3: people right across the spectrum who have been have been
Speaker 3: railing against this council culture, railing against the censoriousness of
Speaker 3: the new Left, and the new Left sort of just
Speaker 3: hasn't been listening and just said no, no, we're just
Speaker 3: going to carry on telling you what to think and
Speaker 3: telling you why all these things are offensive. And eventually
Speaker 3: everyone just got together and went, if you yeah, it's going.
Speaker 2: To be an interesting thing years.
Speaker 1: I think people will still be doing the Trump doubts
Speaker 1: in four years' time.
Speaker 2: We can't seems good enough of it.
Speaker 1: But let's look at what Joe Biden's doing. He only
Speaker 1: has three weeks left in the top job, and with
Speaker 1: the little time that he has left, he's of course
Speaker 1: pardoned his son Hunter Biden after saying that he wouldn't.
Speaker 2: He's commuted some of the worst and most.
Speaker 1: Violent criminals, and now he's taken himself off for a
Speaker 1: week long holiday.
Speaker 2: You think that he.
Speaker 1: Had waited a couple of weeks until he's no longer
Speaker 1: the president, but he doesn't want to miss an opportunity
Speaker 1: to have some son have a little rest. We know
Speaker 1: his bedtime is pretty early. Joe Biden has reportedly spent
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy days, which is nearly forty percent
Speaker 1: of his entire presidency away from the White House. So
Speaker 1: this trip, I suppose it comes as no surprise. World
Speaker 1: leaders are already responding to the strength of Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and essentially treating him like he's already president, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into in.
Speaker 2: A moment, and Biden's.
Speaker 1: Just making sure that he and his family are getting
Speaker 1: well looked after and having a good rest.
Speaker 2: Prayer.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised to see him taking off on this holiday,
Speaker 1: Not at all.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 5: You know, there's this great movie, The Corpse Bride.
Speaker 4: He's the corpse President, and he has been for the
Speaker 4: last four years, and it's no surprise that that's continuing.
Speaker 4: But I do think that he and as I think,
Speaker 4: as Moura tell, all books about the Biden administration come
Speaker 4: out in the coming years will know the full scale of.
Speaker 2: The cover up.
Speaker 4: But I think the way that his advisors and the
Speaker 4: left wing media colluded to cover up the fact that
Speaker 4: America was being run by a senile, incapacitated half Dead
Speaker 4: Man is truly going to go down as one of
Speaker 4: the worst political scandals in American history. And it is reckless,
Speaker 4: Like we laugh about it, but it's rest you look
Speaker 4: at his record on foreign policy. Part of the expose
Speaker 4: that came out a couple of days ago, which we
Speaker 4: talked about on this show, it was I think it
Speaker 4: was the chair of the National Arms Committee, and he
Speaker 4: was saying during the Afghanistan withdrawal, he was trying to
Speaker 4: get hold of Joe Biden to express his concerns about
Speaker 4: the fragility of Afghanistan and the ability of the government
Speaker 4: to hold on to power there, but he literally could
Speaker 4: not get hold of the president. The only the only
Speaker 4: time the president called him in his entire four year
Speaker 4: term was to apologize for not being there.
Speaker 5: But that was it.
Speaker 4: And so that just sums it up. And you look
Speaker 4: at the results of that, American troops dying, foreign policy chaos,
Speaker 4: Russia advancing Iran, embolden China going after Taiwan, like all
Speaker 4: this stuff is a result of a president literally asleep
Speaker 4: at the wheel.
Speaker 3: You make it sound like it's all bad. The Taliban
Speaker 3: is acting really fast on climate channe. They've actually developed
Speaker 3: the Taliban have cards for more action on Clive.
Speaker 2: They love powers.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's too risky, it's risky to your health.
Speaker 2: Biden holiday right now, he doesn't even have a month
Speaker 2: to go. Is it really the best time?
Speaker 3: Taking more than a holiday is taking the piss? But
Speaker 3: but it's I think it's just one of those things
Speaker 3: where Biden would say, hey, guys, I was thinking of,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe just taking a couple of days, and
Speaker 3: everyone goes, no, no, no, take the week, Go go
Speaker 3: for a long free charge those batteries. Take Jill with you,
Speaker 3: you know, stay as long as you want. We've got
Speaker 3: things here. You'll be right. And again, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: the as Prayer said, the White House has been so ruddless,
Speaker 3: and it's clearly been, strangely enough, the only authority that
Speaker 3: Biden really seemed to put his presidential stamp on more
Speaker 3: than anything else. Like a lot of stuff seemed to
Speaker 3: be just every all the Democrats are one of the
Speaker 3: Green New Deal stuff, you know, the inflation busting package whatever.
Speaker 3: He's just like, yeah, kid's chuck it in the back
Speaker 3: of the car. It was a bit like with the
Speaker 3: Voice campaigns, like what else do you want? Yep, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do you want? Yep, yeah, yeah, what do you want?
Speaker 3: Everyone will vote for it anyway, what could go wrong?
Speaker 3: Chuck it all in the back of the boot and
Speaker 3: let's get going. And the only thing that he sort
Speaker 3: of put his foot down on and put his stamp
Speaker 3: of authority on was that he would run for president
Speaker 3: again in twenty twenty four. So it's kind of like
Speaker 3: the exact opposite of what should have happened. And it
Speaker 3: really and honestly does I probably sound like a broken record,
Speaker 3: but as someone who wants to see the Democrat Party
Speaker 3: get moved back to the sort of center represent mainstream
Speaker 3: working class people and wants to see the Labor Party
Speaker 3: do the exact same thing. Get back to the center,
Speaker 3: ditch all this rubbish, ditch all this ideological crap, ditch
Speaker 3: all these sort of preoccupations and rabbit holes, and get
Speaker 3: back to representing mainstream working Australians. And you just look
Speaker 3: at the top apparatus of the Democratic Party, which is
Speaker 3: meant to be the gold standard, you know, the New Rome,
Speaker 3: the United States of America, the oldest democracy of the
Speaker 3: modern era and the greatest democracy of the modern era,
Speaker 3: and they're just morons.
Speaker 6: There's just nothing under the hood, and you're like, you
Speaker 6: flip the bonnet and it's just a bowl of spaghetti,
Speaker 6: and it's like I could stick my you know, I
Speaker 6: could stick my five year old daughter in there with
Speaker 6: a barbie doll and a paint gun and she would
Speaker 6: make more sense and.
Speaker 3: She would stay up. Honestly, that's right. It's not pably, honestly,
Speaker 3: just absolutely gobsmacked that this is going on at this level. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like with you know, literally the planet, the safety of
Speaker 3: the planet had say, oh, sorry, guys, we letting the
Speaker 3: Taliban back into Afghanistan. It's my bad. Sorry, must have
Speaker 3: been in the shower when you call it literally, that happened.
Speaker 3: That actually happened.
Speaker 1: And as far as said, we've just seen the consequences
Speaker 1: of what has happened.
Speaker 3: On climate change in Afghanistan. That's what's happened.
Speaker 1: And it would of course be hard for world leaders
Speaker 1: to take Joe Biden seriously. But Russian President of Bladimir
Speaker 1: Prute is reportedly ready for potential talks with President elect
Speaker 1: Donald Trump on ending the nearly three year long war
Speaker 1: in Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: During an end of year news conference, he claimed that
Speaker 1: he hasn't spoken to Trump in years, and that there
Speaker 1: are no current plans for a meeting, but if they
Speaker 1: do talk, he's ready to make compromises to end the war.
Speaker 1: According to The New York Post, Pruden said, of course,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to talk any time. I'll be ready to
Speaker 1: meet with him if he wishes. Now, Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: of course promised to lead these peace talks between Russia
Speaker 1: and Ukraine. He's claimed that he's going to end the
Speaker 1: conflict on day one back in office. That's obviously going
Speaker 1: to be quite hard, but it is going to be
Speaker 1: a top priority for Donald.
Speaker 5: Trump definitely, and I think it should be.
Speaker 4: Ukraine is an issue that is also dividing the Republican Party,
Speaker 4: and I think there are a lot of internal tensions
Speaker 4: around what the approach to foreign policy should be. There
Speaker 4: are definitely key people like Telsea Gadad who are opposed
Speaker 4: to ongoing involved in funding of Ukraine, and so I
Speaker 4: think for Trump, both from an internal Republican Party perspective
Speaker 4: and just for foreign policy more broadly, Ukraine will be
Speaker 4: a top priority. I mean, the guiding ideology that the
Speaker 4: Democrats have operated by under Obama and then Biden was appeasement. Essentially,
Speaker 4: let's strike a deal with Iran, appease them, Let's appease Russia.
Speaker 4: Let's just appease everyone and just play nice, and hopefully
Speaker 4: the liberal international order will do its thing and will
Speaker 4: all be okay. But what that has done is it
Speaker 4: has emboldened belligerence around the world. And I think truly
Speaker 4: the only language dictators understand is strength. It's how they operate,
Speaker 4: it's what they understand. And Trump, love or hate him,
Speaker 4: he has the strength, and his reckless tweets, it all
Speaker 4: feeds into that sense of strength, and so I think
Speaker 4: really the only thing Putin will respect is strong America,
Speaker 4: and that is what Trump is promising to bring back.
Speaker 4: If he does that, then I think the prospect of
Speaker 4: resolving that conflict is a bit higher. However, I wouldn't
Speaker 4: take anything Putin says seriously because he also loves to lie.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's an interesting point that, you know, world
Speaker 1: leaders do respond to his strength. We saw in Trump's
Speaker 1: first term he met with Kim Johng un like he
Speaker 1: actually yeah and actually talks.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm not sure if it's so much strength as
Speaker 3: just unpredictability, and people are just not sure what he's
Speaker 3: going to do next What lengths he's actually prepared to
Speaker 3: go to He talks up such a crazy game like
Speaker 3: he talks up He says, you know, day one, if
Speaker 3: all the hostages aren't back in Gaza to Israel by
Speaker 3: January twenty, I'm going to start the biggest war in
Speaker 3: all of history in the Middle East. And you're, you know, like,
Speaker 3: what on earth that means? Who knows, but you can
Speaker 3: bet your bottom dollar it's making her mass nervous already.
Speaker 3: I think it's still a cease fire that Hesbella, I
Speaker 3: believe is still observing, and that happened just after Trump
Speaker 3: got in because again they know that there is not
Speaker 3: going to be as others leaders have said, any restraint
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump and again Putin. The biggest casualty of
Speaker 3: the Ukrainian War has been Putin's ego and Russian pride
Speaker 3: and prestige. They've been utterly humiliated. Putin has been made
Speaker 3: and it used to be thought about Putin that, however
Speaker 3: evil or cruel or unscrupulous he was, he was at
Speaker 3: least very smart, very calculating XKGB, you know, the whole lot,
Speaker 3: and that this was a really shrewd operator and the
Speaker 3: way that they invaded Ukraine, with such an appalling blunder
Speaker 3: and such an appalling miscalculation. It's actually done the worst
Speaker 3: thing for Putin, which is to embarrass him, to make
Speaker 3: him look stupid, and to make him look impotent. And
Speaker 3: so he is desperately looking for a way to get
Speaker 3: out of this war while saving face. And so you've
Speaker 3: got this amazing thing with both Trump and Putin each
Speaker 3: pretending that it's the other who wants to with them.
Speaker 3: So it's like my grandma used to do this when
Speaker 3: she wanted a game of tennis. She'd never allow herself
Speaker 3: to ask anyone for a game of tennis. She would
Speaker 3: just sit there and it would be definitely quiet, nobody
Speaker 3: would be saying it, and she just all right, if
Speaker 3: you want a game of tennis, I guess I'll have
Speaker 3: one with you. And no one would have said anything,
Speaker 3: and then suddenly all the rest of oh that's great,
Speaker 3: I was waiting for a game of tennis. Oh thank
Speaker 3: you so much, blah blah blah. And that's what those were.
Speaker 3: There's so they're trying to save face by not looking
Speaker 3: like it's them that actually wants it, and of course
Speaker 3: Putin will come to the table because he desperately needs
Speaker 3: a way to get out, and Trump offers a kind
Speaker 3: of reset and excuse because well I couldn't because Joe
Speaker 3: Biden was so weak and hopeless or whatever. But Donald
Speaker 3: Trump has shown that he's prepared to respect my authority
Speaker 3: and by talking to me, and therefore we're able to
Speaker 3: reach an accommodation. It's great for Russia blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and they'll pick off a few Eastern provinces and blah blah.
Speaker 3: But that is what is going on there, and I
Speaker 3: had no doubt that will work. It's classic mad and diplomacy.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think most of the world what's seen
Speaker 1: an end to this war.
Speaker 2: More than twelve thousand people have died.
Speaker 1: And as you say, it was splitting the Republican Party
Speaker 1: with the amount of spending and the amount of money
Speaker 1: that was getting sent over to Ukraine. So for sure,
Speaker 1: and I think to pick up on Joe's point there,
Speaker 1: I think we'll see a similar dynamic in the Middle
Speaker 1: East as well.
Speaker 2: I think Iran is.
Speaker 4: Absolutely terrified of Trump, and the Abraham Accords, which Trump
Speaker 4: brought in in his last term of government, completely changed
Speaker 4: the game. There was this idea that the Israel Palestine
Speaker 4: problem and peace in the Middle East couldn't be achieved
Speaker 4: until there was Palestinian statehood. But the Abraham Accords shattered
Speaker 4: all of that. By going directly to Arab countries that
Speaker 4: had an interest in economic liberalization and an interest in
Speaker 4: containing Iran, they were basically able to circumvent the issue
Speaker 4: of the Palestinians and make huge progress towards peace in
Speaker 4: the Middle East. I think that is going to pick
Speaker 4: up under Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if we see
Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia joining the Abraham Accords very soon. And I
Speaker 4: think the credibility that the US lost under Biden is spectacular.
Speaker 4: The fact that there is still I believe it's seven
Speaker 4: Americans being held hostage in Gaza for over four hundred
Speaker 4: days and Biden has not lifted a finger to get
Speaker 4: them back. He should have sent American troops in there
Speaker 4: the next day to get his Americans back. He should
Speaker 4: have been working with the Israelis and supporting them in
Speaker 4: any way he could. Instead, he's completely turned his back
Speaker 4: on them, probably because it's his woke Democrat advisors actually
Speaker 4: calling the shots and not him, And I think that
Speaker 4: is the greatest travesty because by allowing seven Americans to
Speaker 4: rot in tunnels in Gaza for over a year, the
Speaker 4: US has essentially said to all these terrorist organizations, take
Speaker 4: our people. We are so weak, we can't do anything
Speaker 4: about it. And that is not what you want from
Speaker 4: the leader of the free.
Speaker 3: I don't think a single other president since Ginny would
Speaker 3: have allowed that to Dan Reagan would never have done it.
Speaker 3: Clinton would never have done it, Neither of the Bushes,
Speaker 3: Obama would never have done it. Trump. Obviously it is staggering.
Speaker 3: And again it's just that somnambulance, and you are absolutely great.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget the reason why Hamas, because this is
Speaker 3: also a Sunny conflict as well as and Palestinian Israeli conflict.
Speaker 3: The reason Hamas launched their terror attack on October seven
Speaker 3: is exactly because Saudi Arabia was about to sign a
Speaker 3: new deal with Israel that would open up relations that already.
Speaker 3: You know, the Abraham Accords allowed flights Israeli flights to
Speaker 3: and from Tel Aviv to fly over Saudi airspace that
Speaker 3: was never allowed before. I know that because we weren't
Speaker 3: allowed to drink over Saudi airspace. Did my head in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night anyway. But yes, and that
Speaker 3: is absolutely true. And so again you know, it is
Speaker 3: just that that thing of Trump just been all over
Speaker 3: the world stage, not even sworn in yet, and people
Speaker 3: are going, yeah, I got to play.
Speaker 2: I think that's whee. I think it. I'll send us
Speaker 2: such a strong message to Hermas.
Speaker 1: And when he sends something like that, you have to
Speaker 1: think he's really got a plan.
Speaker 2: He can't just be sitting there.
Speaker 3: No, and again, and I think it was he's got
Speaker 3: a plan. There also reports that Iran has held off
Speaker 3: held off airstrikes that it was planning after Trump got
Speaker 3: elected as well, of course, as the sixty days ceasefire
Speaker 3: that its proxies hezbla sign as well, and of course
Speaker 3: her musk a musk and almost it doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: it does apart from handbate the hostages, because it's been
Speaker 3: completely rebelized. Its leadership has been completely decapitated. But now.
Speaker 1: Urgently so January twenty getting Trump in the White House,
Speaker 1: and we'll see how quickly he can sort.
Speaker 2: These world issues out.
Speaker 1: But the world's richest man, Elon Musk, well he's making
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. He posted on his social media
Speaker 1: platform x a suggestion that elected officials should take a
Speaker 1: cognitive test. He wrote, maybe we should have some basic
Speaker 1: cognitive tests for elected officials.
Speaker 2: This is getting crazy, And.
Speaker 1: He was responding to a report that Republican k had
Speaker 1: been absent from Congress for six months as she was
Speaker 1: in a senior living center in Fort Worth, Texas and
Speaker 1: had been having some issues with dementia, according to her son,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 2: Heartbreaking to hear.
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, it seems obvious that we do
Speaker 1: need some cognitive tests. That is what needs to be
Speaker 1: implemented when we've had someone like Joe Biden supposedly running
Speaker 1: the country with clear signs of cognitive decline. But Elon
Speaker 1: Musk isn't the only one who's.
Speaker 2: Been calling for this.
Speaker 1: Former US Ambassador to the U n Nikki Haley also
Speaker 1: called for mental competency tests for politicians who were seventy
Speaker 1: five years and older, and she called for this during
Speaker 1: her presidential campaign while she was trying to campaign there.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you've got someone like Joe Biden
Speaker 1: and it's been such an embarrassment for four years, and
Speaker 1: you've got someone that's been in a senior living center
Speaker 1: for six months, probably actually needs to get implemented.
Speaker 4: I completely support the idea of competency tests for anyone
Speaker 4: over fifty, to be honest, But not only do I
Speaker 4: support competency tests, I support universal IQ tests for politicians
Speaker 4: as well, and I think that would be the more
Speaker 4: interesting idea. I remember during the New South Wales state
Speaker 4: election there was prew Kat, who is now the Education Minister,
Speaker 4: and the incumbent Liberal.
Speaker 2: We're on two GB and there.
Speaker 4: Are asked to do a year nine naplan questions and
Speaker 4: I think Prouka got it wrong and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh no, oh no, that is so bad.
Speaker 5: So you know, maybe we do need to bring some sort.
Speaker 4: Of objective intelligence measure into our political system. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure how that would work, but it's a nice idea.
Speaker 3: I completely and utterly disagree. I actually think. So you
Speaker 3: don't scream, I really do hopefully we think this is
Speaker 3: and not just because I love Preuka high prove if
Speaker 3: you watch it, no, because firstly, most of us would
Speaker 3: struggle to do. I mean, my son comes home. He's
Speaker 3: in grade five. At the moment I come home, I
Speaker 3: look at his home, they're teaching mass and different. Now
Speaker 3: at first, it's changed so much since we're at school,
Speaker 3: no one would be able to do that. But secondly,
Speaker 3: the point of an elected official is to represent the community.
Speaker 2: And quite frankly, the straight pace.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, most people aren't that smart. No, no, but
Speaker 3: sometimes this is sake no, no, imagine no. But again,
Speaker 3: when you're falling into you're falling into the trap that
Speaker 3: in fact a lot of liberal smaller liberal left elites
Speaker 3: fall into, which is I'm smarter than you. I've actually
Speaker 3: got a grade, I've got a pH d in history,
Speaker 3: I'm an epidemiologist.
Speaker 2: So you have to stay inside something like Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, But Joe Biden should never have been there.
Speaker 3: But the cognitive test is not the problem. That's right.
Speaker 3: But the cognitive test is, but the problem, the fact
Speaker 3: that Joe Biden is there. A cognitive test is like
Speaker 3: a get out of jail free car. The Democrats say, oh,
Speaker 3: we put up Joe Biden, but far the cognitive tests,
Speaker 3: Oh well, next, No, the whole thing has to be
Speaker 3: burnt to the ground so that these morons who put
Speaker 3: in there and then let him try to run again
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four all get sacked. You don't get
Speaker 3: you know, if you need a cognitive test to tell
Speaker 3: you that Joe Biden probably isn't functioning at one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: then quite frankly, you need to go to and again
Speaker 3: it's like the bonk ban on all the ministers in Parliament.
Speaker 3: It's like if you are telling someone that we are
Speaker 3: going to give you a multi billion dollar portfolio to
Speaker 3: run with all these complexities, but we don't trust you
Speaker 3: to decide. You know, where you put your where you
Speaker 3: put your junk. That is a problem for the caliber
Speaker 3: of the people we're electing you. If you just say, oh,
Speaker 3: I know, there has to be a cognitive test, I
Speaker 3: guarantee you you would get to a point where it
Speaker 3: would be the sort of Plato's idea of oh no,
Speaker 3: but it would be Plato's idea of philosophy. Kings say
Speaker 3: I have a higher IQ than you, therefore you should
Speaker 3: do what you what we say, you stupid little prole,
Speaker 3: and you might not think it as for your own good.
Speaker 3: And we saw this throughout COVID, where listen to the experts.
Speaker 7: Listen to the experts, and it turns out at the
Speaker 7: end I was selected experts. But it turned out at
Speaker 7: the end, guess what the experts were wrong, or they
Speaker 7: were right just in their particular field, but they weren't
Speaker 7: experts at all the damage that it was causing in
Speaker 7: every other field apart from theirs. And so I say, no,
Speaker 7: no experts, no cognitive tests. Just send up some dumb.
Speaker 3: Street wise we're getting at the moment. Send up here,
Speaker 3: Send up Rayma. You know, I send up alf from
Speaker 3: home and away. Hey, knock a few heads together.
Speaker 4: Get a fit and proper person to run for parliament.
Speaker 4: You can't run for parliament if you're a bankrupt you
Speaker 4: can't run for parliament, if you're a dual national. There
Speaker 4: are a whole range of criteria that you have to fulfill,
Speaker 4: some of which are in the Constitution. And so I
Speaker 4: don't think it's a stretch. I see the risks, but
Speaker 4: I think it's a little exaggerated, and I think we
Speaker 4: maybe what you could do is this could internal party process.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I think the pre selection process generally
Speaker 4: weeds out people who are extremely senile and at this
Speaker 4: level of cognitive decline. But I think in principle it's
Speaker 4: a very good idea.
Speaker 3: Well going by I'd fail it.
Speaker 2: Going to the UK.
Speaker 1: Now, reform UK is not just building momentum, but it's
Speaker 1: reached a significant milestone.
Speaker 2: The party now has more members than the Tories.
Speaker 1: According to a digital counter on the party's website, Reform
Speaker 1: UK has reached more than one hundred and thirty one
Speaker 1: thousand members.
Speaker 2: Here is Nigifarrage.
Speaker 8: This is an historic moment. When the newest party in
Speaker 8: British politics overtakes the oldest existing political party in the world.
Speaker 8: Something is happening, so of course I'm delighted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Reform has certainly been climbing in popularity since the
Speaker 1: general election. The opinion polls have suggested that Niger Ferrage
Speaker 1: has become one of the most popular politicians in the country.
Speaker 1: He frequently scores highly on the proportion of people who
Speaker 1: have a favorable opinion of him. Of course there are
Speaker 1: some that don't like him, but Niger Farage really appears
Speaker 1: to have the momentum behind this. Of course we've seen
Speaker 1: he's got the support of people like Elon Mask, Nick
Speaker 1: Candy and it also I think that's a Trump effect
Speaker 1: happening now, which could also be sweeping the UK.
Speaker 2: But it also comes prayer.
Speaker 1: After more than two million people signed a petition calling
Speaker 1: for another election just because Kirs Starmer has been so hopeless.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, I mean the thing is right, Labor in the
Speaker 4: UK is not popular. They actually got a lower vote
Speaker 4: in the last election than they did the previous time
Speaker 4: under Jomy Corbyn. They are not a popular government and
Speaker 4: their first couple months in government has been a disaster
Speaker 4: on a whole range of fronts.
Speaker 5: So, I mean the opposition is having a good run here.
Speaker 4: I think the really interesting dilemma that the Tories will
Speaker 4: face is how they navigate this tension reform. Kemmy Badanock,
Speaker 4: the leader of the Tories, was calling out Nigel Faraus
Speaker 4: for apparently faking the number of members and then they
Speaker 4: decided to put up a live tracker and there were
Speaker 4: all these debates between computer scientists about whether you can
Speaker 4: actually tell whether it's real or not. And so I
Speaker 4: think the growing division and kind of just resentment between
Speaker 4: the two parties is going to make it very challenging
Speaker 4: for the Tories to recover because with the first part
Speaker 4: of the post system reform will essentially just block them
Speaker 4: from ever getting into government again. So I don't know
Speaker 4: how they're going to navigate that, and I think Kemmy
Speaker 4: Badanock has a lot of work to do in uniting
Speaker 4: the Tory Party, in coming up with a new actually
Speaker 4: conservative values based identity for the party. And this really
Speaker 4: is and it should be a lesson to the Liberal
Speaker 4: Party and every center right party around the Western world.
Speaker 4: If you abandon your values and you compromise too much
Speaker 4: and you are just incompetent, you will suffer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's right.
Speaker 1: And I also think that, you know, the Tories are
Speaker 1: really going to struggle here and Nudge Ferra, she's saying,
Speaker 1: he's you know, the Reform UK that's an option.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely again, and you know what a stupid
Speaker 3: response to sort of quibble about the numbers and say
Speaker 3: I don't know how they go oh this, well, just
Speaker 3: how I mean, firstly, it gets everybody talking about it,
Speaker 3: so everyone is now talking about whether Reform UK is
Speaker 3: more popular than the Tories. And of course it's kind
Speaker 3: of like saying, you know, it's kind of like saying,
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of like someone runs over your dog,
Speaker 3: right and you say, you know, I you know, someone says, hey,
Speaker 3: you ran you ran over my dog at six o'clock
Speaker 3: and you say, oh, no, it wasn't at six o'clock.
Speaker 3: You know, you're kind of missing the main point. You know,
Speaker 3: it was at five poin fifty nine. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: The dog is dead, right, So the Conservative Party quibbling
Speaker 3: about how they tallied the numbers, what doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: Make the point is your party is on the verge
Speaker 3: of extinction. So I wouldn't bother asking computer experts on
Speaker 3: Twitter whether these numbers are real. So the lesson in Trump,
Speaker 3: in absolutely everything we've seen throughout the twenty first century
Speaker 3: so far, and what a right it's been, is that
Speaker 3: electorates are much more volatile than they have ever been,
Speaker 3: probably since the mid War period when it basically came
Speaker 3: down to fascists versus communists, and spoiler alert, that was
Speaker 3: not a very stable time. It did not end well.
Speaker 3: Electorates are basically going to reward whoever is perceived to
Speaker 3: have or who actually has the common touch, who can
Speaker 3: communicate with normal, everyday people. And again they're not going
Speaker 3: to reward not harping on, but they're not going to
Speaker 3: reward people say I'm smarter than you, or I'm an
Speaker 3: expert or whatever. But they're going to reward people who
Speaker 3: they instinctively and emotionally identified with, like Donald Trump, like
Speaker 3: Nigel's farage. And even though we've had kind of centrist
Speaker 3: revolutions in France and Canada with those francophilic bloody quebecqua.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I hate the French that you and Macai
Speaker 3: you rot up the French. But again we've seen how
Speaker 3: quickly the electric has turned against them when they were
Speaker 3: perceived as not being a fresh new start that would
Speaker 3: fix everything, but as being perceived as sort of elite
Speaker 3: and out of touch. So I think any perceptions of elitism,
Speaker 3: any sort of crap that people go on with that
Speaker 3: isn't what people are talking about their kitchen tables. Anything
Speaker 3: that shows that you are out of touch or a
Speaker 3: bit wanky or a bit fancy, you are done.
Speaker 1: Old news, not in twenty twenty four or twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: But back home now, as we know, Australia is facing
Speaker 1: a crisis when it comes to the rise in anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: It's not the Australia that I know, not the Australia
Speaker 1: that I'm proud of. And another shocking incident of anti
Speaker 1: Semitism has come to light today from an American Jewish
Speaker 1: tourist called Sophie, and she's spoken to the Daily Telegraph
Speaker 1: about her experience being verbally attacked essentially.
Speaker 2: Because of her Jewish faith.
Speaker 1: She was holidaying with her husband in Perth earlier this
Speaker 1: month when an ex reality star reportedly spotted her Star
Speaker 1: of David sticker on her phone and then told her
Speaker 1: to get out of Perth and also suggested some really
Speaker 1: horrible things just so disgusting, actually don't want to repeat them.
Speaker 2: The woman said that she'd.
Speaker 1: Been warned about the anti anti Semitism rather that's occurring
Speaker 1: right here in Australia, but she didn't expect something to
Speaker 1: actually happened to her, something so shocking. She says she'll
Speaker 1: never be coming back here. She also has a clear
Speaker 1: message for Anthony Albanezi, and that is to do more
Speaker 1: on this issue because Jewish tourists no longer feel like
Speaker 1: Australia is a safe place for them. And how devastating
Speaker 1: is that There have been more than two thousand incidents
Speaker 1: of anti Semitism in Australia in the last twelve months,
Speaker 1: and a report by the Executive Council for the Australian
Speaker 1: Jury found there's been almost a five hundred percent spike
Speaker 1: in physical assaults since the devastating October seven attacks by her.
Speaker 2: Muss against Israel and Frey. You know, this is such
Speaker 2: a series.
Speaker 1: We've seen so many incidences of it over the past
Speaker 1: more than twelve months now, but now we've got tourists
Speaker 1: sending messages to Anpney ALBANIZI doesn't get much more serious
Speaker 1: than that, for sure, and.
Speaker 4: This is seriously damaging Australia's reputation internationally. I'm seeing on
Speaker 4: social media all the time Jewish influences from overseas Israeli
Speaker 4: saying do not travel to Australia because the anti Semitism
Speaker 4: is that bad. It's like, hello, are we not a
Speaker 4: first world Western liberal democracy? Since when did we become
Speaker 4: so racist that Jews feel unsafe coming here? It is
Speaker 4: genuinely horrendous, and I don't think the average Australian, the
Speaker 4: average non Jewish Australian, really understands how bad the anti
Speaker 4: semitism has got here. Jewish kids are too afraid to
Speaker 4: wear Jewish school uniforms in public, so they change. Jewish
Speaker 4: schools have armed security guards outside twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: Jewish people living in the Eastern suburbs have woken up
Speaker 4: twice now to cars being set on fire to graffiti
Speaker 4: on buildings, some of who live in those very buildings,
Speaker 4: Like this is not just a small oh, this is
Speaker 4: not just rage bait from Sky News talking about how
Speaker 4: bad is it hating the Jews.
Speaker 5: This is so real and Australian.
Speaker 4: The Australian Jewish community feels like the country has turned
Speaker 4: their back on them. And what's more so, I'm glad
Speaker 4: she called out Albot because I think it starts at
Speaker 4: the top and we have just seen weakness from him
Speaker 4: on the issue of anti Semitism. But I think at
Speaker 4: the grassroots level as well, what have you done to
Speaker 4: stand up to anti Semitism? What have our what our
Speaker 4: listeners done, Like what can we as.
Speaker 5: Individuals be doing?
Speaker 4: Going up all reach out to your Jewish friends, Like seriously,
Speaker 4: the level of isolation and fear right now in the
Speaker 4: Jewish community, I think it's hard for people to comprehend.
Speaker 2: We have to go to a break, but stay with us.
Speaker 1: Coming up on the Late Debate, we will go to
Speaker 1: Victoria where pill testing is underway.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Late Debate.
Speaker 1: The Victorian Liberal Party is a bit stronger today with
Speaker 1: MOI redeeming allowed to return. Now the vote to readmit
Speaker 1: her to the party was overwhelming, reportedly at twenty three
Speaker 1: to four, So finally they can put this chapter behind them,
Speaker 1: and as we know more Redeeming should have never been
Speaker 1: kicked out in the first place. She's shown courage and
Speaker 1: leadership throughout this whole saga, and the party is also
Speaker 1: a bit stronger today because John Pursudo has lost his
Speaker 1: job as.
Speaker 2: The leader of the party.
Speaker 1: The fill motion was eighteen to ten, which makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: what on earth the ten we're thinking who are still
Speaker 1: supporting persuito This morning Brad Batton will become leader and
Speaker 1: a shadow Minister for Tourism.
Speaker 2: Sam Groth will be his deputy. But the question.
Speaker 1: Remains, Joe, how is John with Pseudo going to come
Speaker 1: up with the millions of dollars that he still needs
Speaker 1: to pay in legal costs.
Speaker 3: It's very sad, and it's just it's very sad that
Speaker 3: he got himself into this position. Everyone said, I don't
Speaker 3: know him, but everyone says he's a decent blow but
Speaker 3: just such terrible, terrible judgement. And again this is just
Speaker 3: such a cautionary tale about just think, think about what
Speaker 3: you are doing, think about you know the consequences of
Speaker 3: each action you take. And again, I mean all all
Speaker 3: John Pursuito had to do right at the very beginning
Speaker 3: is not agree with Moira Deeming. He didn't have to
Speaker 3: say women's right, He didn't have to support that's right.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to support her position on transitions, or
Speaker 3: didn't have to support her position on standing up for
Speaker 3: women's only spaces or women's rights or whatever. All he
Speaker 3: had to do was tolerated. All he had to do
Speaker 3: was say, there is you know, it is okay for
Speaker 3: you to say this, and you are not a neo
Speaker 3: nazis right, Like that's and anyone who suggests that just
Speaker 3: because this protest was crashed by a bunch of neo
Speaker 3: Nazi thugs, well you know, that's like saying anytime you
Speaker 3: walk down the street, you're only as good as the
Speaker 3: evilst person on the same footpath. So that was all
Speaker 3: he had to do. So again, this is ultimately came
Speaker 3: down to a position of freedom of expression, not trans
Speaker 3: rights versus women's rights, whether or not people have should
Speaker 3: have the right to freely express their views on these
Speaker 3: issues in the Liberal party, and the clue should be
Speaker 3: in the name. And he couldn't even reach that threshold,
Speaker 3: and then every decision he made that flowed from that,
Speaker 3: he was given countless off ramps from this kind of this,
Speaker 3: this sort of road to Dante's inferno, and he just
Speaker 3: never took them, never got off right up and to
Speaker 3: the point where he then uses his casting vote to
Speaker 3: keep more of Deeming out of the party fifteen to.
Speaker 2: Four, and how much he regrets that that was one
Speaker 2: week and.
Speaker 3: That could have been the grand gesture that brought it back.
Speaker 3: I will use my own personal vote to settle this
Speaker 3: once and for all and bring her back. Probably still
Speaker 3: would and done thing and now and that he do
Speaker 3: you ever do that? And then he says, oh no,
Speaker 3: I changed my mind. I want to have another meeting
Speaker 3: so I can vote to let her in.
Speaker 1: Monty Python rt to hear from more redeeming today Freyer.
Speaker 1: And she was talking some sense, still standing up for
Speaker 1: women's rights, keep men out of women's spaces, and then
Speaker 1: also talking about being elected because of merit, and she
Speaker 1: was getting asked these questions, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about having two men as as the head of
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party and the deputy And she said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a democratic system.
Speaker 4: I love all the left wing media today going oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, the Victorian Liberals are so over because they
Speaker 4: have a male leader and a male deputy and they're
Speaker 4: never coming back ever again. It's like, guys, that is
Speaker 4: so twenty twenty two. Leave it with the Teals, like
Speaker 4: that is so over. I think Australians have woken up
Speaker 4: to the fact that there are actually real issues going
Speaker 4: on in our country other than the fact that Victoria
Speaker 4: has two males leading the party. And again, I mean
Speaker 4: this goes back to the underlying principle, which is that
Speaker 4: you should always be selected on merit. And when you
Speaker 4: play identity politics, and when you elevate women because of
Speaker 4: their gender, which fifty percent of the population shares, which
Speaker 4: they did nothing to do to deserve nothing, you are
Speaker 4: actually diminishing them. And I saw this in some of
Speaker 4: the coverage around Jess Wilson. So she also put her
Speaker 4: hat in the ring to run for leader, and there
Speaker 4: were you know, anonymous Liberal sources going to the newspapers
Speaker 4: going it'd be great to have a female who represents
Speaker 4: urban women.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you've done it again. That's the problem.
Speaker 4: As long as the Liberal Party continues to think in
Speaker 4: those identity politics terms, and elevates women because they're women.
Speaker 4: They are actually diminishing all women, so it should be
Speaker 4: merit based. The Victorian Liberal Party is so back. I
Speaker 4: am so ready, and I think they are gonna.
Speaker 3: And I wonder how many women in the Victorian Liberal
Speaker 3: Party room stood up for Moirademas because she was a
Speaker 3: woman who was fighting for women's rights. Just remind me
Speaker 3: how many of them remember? So maybe this whole all
Speaker 3: women think the same thing. Maybe it's ridiculous they think
Speaker 3: for themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, let's stay in Victoria now because pill testing, well,
Speaker 1: its trial is about to get underweigh. The state's first
Speaker 1: mobile pill testing will be providing advice for festival goers
Speaker 1: at this weekends beyond the Valley Music Festival.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: The mobile pill testing service will operate across four days
Speaker 1: at the festival and were able to test at least
Speaker 1: two hundred drug samples a day. The Acting Minister for
Speaker 1: Mental Health Mary and Thompson said, we said we would
Speaker 1: deliver pill testing in Victoria and that's exactly what we've done.
Speaker 1: Pill testing is just one of many health initiatives we're
Speaker 1: introducing to reduce drug harm in our state, helping Victorians
Speaker 1: make safer and better informed decisions. Freyer, I've said this
Speaker 1: before on this pro but I don't support this at all.
Speaker 1: I just think it is such a slippery slope. I
Speaker 1: think it's sending the wrong message. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: the government saying, go take drugs, we'll test them for you.
Speaker 1: Go knock yourself out.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we will help make your criminal activity a
Speaker 4: little bit safer. So go do your criminal activity and
Speaker 4: we'll facilitate that.
Speaker 2: I mean no.
Speaker 4: And the other thing with pill testing is it is
Speaker 4: such an overblown issue. Manash University did a study on this.
Speaker 4: They looked at all the deaths because of narcotics and
Speaker 4: substances at music festivals over the last twenty years.
Speaker 5: There were sixty four.
Speaker 4: Deaths, only thirty of which were due to toxic substances
Speaker 4: in drugs.
Speaker 5: Thirty deaths in twenty years. That's still a tragedy.
Speaker 4: But here's an idea, just don't take the drugs and
Speaker 4: then we can prevent that. I don't think the answer
Speaker 4: is liberalizing and creating the message that we are liberalizing
Speaker 4: access to drugs and giving it a green light, making
Speaker 4: it this acceptable thing that the government facilitates all to
Speaker 4: potentially but definitely not definitely save thirty people over twenty
Speaker 4: years that shouldn't have been doing drugs anyway. And to
Speaker 4: put that into perspective, three thousand women a year dive
Speaker 4: breast cancer. Let's put that money into cancer research, into
Speaker 4: things that really matter for Australians who are doing the
Speaker 4: right thing, who are just trying to get by. And
Speaker 4: let's stop facilitating dumb young people to do drugs at
Speaker 4: music festivals.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get these resources where it's nata. Let's you know,
Speaker 3: test the water in the liberal party room because I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure that at least half of those guys are
Speaker 3: on acid. Prioritize people. Okay, my two cents right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Well let's go to the US.
Speaker 1: Now, we're a doctor who's based in Seattle who previously
Speaker 1: bragged about bragged about completing wanting rather to complete all
Speaker 1: his transurgeries or as many as he could before Donald
Speaker 1: Trump tries to stop me.
Speaker 2: He said this on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Now he's been slammed in an ad campaign from the
Speaker 1: Do No Harm group that has accused this doctor of
Speaker 1: profiting of the life altering surgeries, including some conducted on children.
Speaker 1: The group says that he brags about performing the best
Speaker 1: top surgeries for.
Speaker 2: Miners and is pushing to do as many as of.
Speaker 1: These irreversible surgeries as he possibly can, all while reaching
Speaker 1: millions of viewers on social media with his own damaging propaganda.
Speaker 1: Now the ad says, this isn't care, this is a
Speaker 1: moral Take a listen.
Speaker 9: Doctor Jabad Sajohn has charged for nearly two million dollars
Speaker 9: and claims for surgeries on one hundred and twenty kids,
Speaker 9: some as young as seven years old. He brags about
Speaker 9: performing the best top surgery for miners and is pushing
Speaker 9: to do as many of these irreversible surgeries as he
Speaker 9: possibly can, all while reaching millions of viewers on social
Speaker 9: media with his own damaging propaganda. This is not care,
Speaker 9: it's immral.
Speaker 2: It's a strong ad. You know, do no harm.
Speaker 1: Estimates that between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty three there
Speaker 1: were at least thirteen thousand miners that underwent sex change treatments,
Speaker 1: five thousand who actually went underwent operations. During the same period,
Speaker 1: nearly nine thousand were given hormones and puberty blockers. As
Speaker 1: we know, any kind of puberty blockers or surgery for
Speaker 1: children is insane. The UK has finally banned them for
Speaker 1: under eighteens, and it just makes no sense that children
Speaker 1: who you know aren't developed enough or to drive cars
Speaker 1: to drink alcohol can make these decisions about their bodies
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you don't let kids get tattoos, why
Speaker 4: do you let them chop off their breasts? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just completely abhorrent, and it is predatory the idea
Speaker 4: that he's advertising these surgeries on social media to impressionable
Speaker 4: and confused children who just need genuine help and guidance
Speaker 4: if they're struggling. If you want to chop off a
Speaker 4: part of your body, like, let's get you some serious help,
Speaker 4: because that.
Speaker 5: Is a very to be living with. That sort of
Speaker 5: internal feeling.
Speaker 4: About your own your own being is a very horrible
Speaker 4: and dark place to be. Let's get you the help
Speaker 4: you need instead of enabling this kind of twisted view
Speaker 4: of yourself and of reality. Instead, this guy goes out
Speaker 4: there and goes, great, I'm going to make a quick buck.
Speaker 4: But that's just like the big medical industry.
Speaker 3: But it hurts the cause as well, because I have
Speaker 3: absolutely no doubt and I know people in this situation
Speaker 3: who do absolutely one hundred percent know that they have
Speaker 3: been born in the wrong body. They are a man
Speaker 3: when they should be a woman, or a girl when
Speaker 3: they should be a boy. And the problem is that
Speaker 3: when you start advertising these sorts of thing and putting
Speaker 3: those ideas and sort of scatter casting them throughout the
Speaker 3: community and make people think, oh, maybe a thing, and
Speaker 3: then it turns out it is just a phase they're
Speaker 3: going through or whatever. And then suddenly they have gone
Speaker 3: down this path and some things are irreversible. That makes
Speaker 3: everybody think, well, it must all just be bollocks. Then,
Speaker 3: so the real people that these people are supposedly representing
Speaker 3: are the ones that get hurt the most.
Speaker 1: Where you have to go to a break, but stay
Speaker 1: with us. Coming up after the break, DVDs might be
Speaker 1: making a comeback, Welcome back to the late Today. The
Speaker 1: Victorian Liberal Party is a bit stronger today with Moi
Speaker 1: Redeeming allowed to return.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The vote to readmit her to the party was overwhelming,
Speaker 1: reportedly at twenty three to four, so finally they can
Speaker 1: put this chapter behind them. And as we know more,
Speaker 1: Redeeming should have never been kicked out in the first place.
Speaker 1: She's shown courage and leadership throughout this whole saga and
Speaker 1: the party is also a bit stronger today because John
Speaker 1: Pursudo has lost his job as.
Speaker 2: The leader of the party.
Speaker 1: The film motion was eighteen to ten, which makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: what on earth that's ten? We're thinking who was still
Speaker 1: supporting Perseudo This morning Brad Batton will become leader and
Speaker 1: a shadow Minister for Tourism.
Speaker 2: Sam Groth will be his deputy.
Speaker 1: But the question remains, Joe, how is John Pursudo going
Speaker 1: to come up with the millions of dollars that he
Speaker 1: still needs to pay in legal costs.
Speaker 3: It's very sad, and it's just it's very sad that
Speaker 3: he he got himself into this position. Everyone said, I
Speaker 3: don't know him, but everyone says he's a decent blow
Speaker 3: but just such terrible, terrible judgement. And again this is
Speaker 3: just such a cautionary tale about just think, think about
Speaker 3: what you are doing, think about you know, the consequences
Speaker 3: of each action you take. And again, I mean, all
Speaker 3: all John Pursuito had to do, right at the very beginning,
Speaker 3: is not agree with Moira Deeming. He didn't have to
Speaker 3: say women's right, he didn't have to support that's right.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to support her position on transitions or
Speaker 3: didn't have to support her position on standing up for
Speaker 3: women's only spaces or women's rights or whatever. All he
Speaker 3: had to do was tolerated. All he had to do
Speaker 3: was say, there is you know, it is okay for
Speaker 3: you to say this, and you are not a neo
Speaker 3: nazis right, like that's and anyone who suggests that just
Speaker 3: because this protest was crashed by a bunch of you know,
Speaker 3: neo Nazi thugs, well you know, that's like saying anytime
Speaker 3: you walk down the street, you're only as good as
Speaker 3: the evilest person on the same footpath. So that was
Speaker 3: all he had to do. So again, this is ultimately
Speaker 3: came down to a position of freedom of expression, not
Speaker 3: trans rights versus women's rights, whether or not people should
Speaker 3: have the right to freely express their views on these
Speaker 3: issues in the liberal party, and the clue should be
Speaker 3: in the name. And he couldn't even reach that threshold.
Speaker 3: And then every decision he made that flowed from that.
Speaker 3: He was given countless off ramps from this kind of
Speaker 3: this this sort of road to Dante's inferno, and.
Speaker 7: He just never took them, never got off right up
Speaker 7: unto the point where he then uses his casting vote
Speaker 7: to keep more of deeming out of the party fifteen to.
Speaker 2: Four, and how much he regrets that that was one
Speaker 2: week and that.
Speaker 3: Could have been the grand gesture that brought it back.
Speaker 3: I will use my own personal vote to settle this
Speaker 3: once and for all and bring her back. Probably stil
Speaker 3: wouldn't done anything and now and then he didn't ever
Speaker 3: do that, And then he says, oh no, I changed
Speaker 3: my mind. I want to have another meeting vote to
Speaker 3: let her in.
Speaker 1: Monty pat right to hear from more redeeming today Freyer
Speaker 1: And she was talking some sense, still standing up for
Speaker 1: women's rights, keep men out of women's spaces, and then
Speaker 1: also talking about being elected because of merit, and she
Speaker 1: was getting asked these questions, you know, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about having two men as the head of the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party and the deputy And she said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a democratic system.
Speaker 4: I love all the left wing media today going oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, the Victorian Liberals are so over because they
Speaker 4: have a male leader and a male deputy and they're
Speaker 4: never coming back ever again. It's like, guys, that is
Speaker 4: so twenty twenty two. Leave it with the Teals like
Speaker 4: that is so over. I think Australians have woken up
Speaker 4: to the fact that there are actually real issues going
Speaker 4: on in our country other than the fact that Victoria
Speaker 4: has two males leading the party. And again, I mean
Speaker 4: this goes back to the underlying principle, which is that
Speaker 4: you should always be selected on merit. And when you
Speaker 4: play identity politics, and when you elevate women because of
Speaker 4: their gender, which fifty percent of the population shares, which
Speaker 4: they did nothing to do to deserve nothing, you are
Speaker 4: actually diminishing them. And I saw this in some of
Speaker 4: the coverage around Jess Wilson. So she also put her
Speaker 4: hat in the ring to run for leader, and there
Speaker 4: were you know, anonymous Liberal sources going to the newspapers
Speaker 4: going it'd be great to have a female who represents
Speaker 4: urban women.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you've done it again. That's the problem.
Speaker 4: As long as the Liberal Party continues to think in
Speaker 4: those identity politics terms and elevates women because they're women,
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 5: Actually diminishing all women. So it should be merit based.
Speaker 4: The Victorian Liberal Party is so back, I am so ready,
Speaker 4: and I think they are gonna head.
Speaker 3: On to treat and wonder how women in the Victorian
Speaker 3: Liberal Party room stood up for Moradem because she was
Speaker 3: a woman who was fighting for women's rights. Mind me,
Speaker 3: how many of them remember? So maybe this whole all
Speaker 3: women think the same thing. Maybe it's ridiculous they think
Speaker 3: for themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, let's stay in Victoria now because pill testing, well,
Speaker 1: its trial is about to get underweigh. The state's first
Speaker 1: mobile pill testing will be providing advice for festival goers
Speaker 1: at this weekends beyond the Valley Music Festival. Now, the
Speaker 1: mobile pill testing service will operate across four days at
Speaker 1: the festival and we able to test at least two.
Speaker 2: Hundred drug samples a day.
Speaker 1: The Acting Minister for Mental Health, Mary and Thompson said,
Speaker 1: we said we would deliver pill testing in Victoria and
Speaker 1: that's exactly what we've done. Pill testing is just one
Speaker 1: of many health initiatives we're introducing to reduce drug harm
Speaker 1: in our state, helping Victorians make safer and better informed decisions. Freyer,
Speaker 1: I've said this before or on this program, but I
Speaker 1: don't support this at all. I just think it is
Speaker 1: such a slippery slope. I think it's sending the wrong message.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the government saying go take drugs,
Speaker 1: will test them for you. Go knock yourself out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we will help make your criminal activity a
Speaker 4: little bit safer. So go do your criminal activity and
Speaker 4: will facilitate that.
Speaker 2: I mean no.
Speaker 4: And the other thing with pill testing is it is
Speaker 4: such an overblown issue. Monash University did a study on this.
Speaker 4: They looked at all the deaths because of narcotics and
Speaker 4: substances at music festivals over the last twenty years.
Speaker 5: There were sixty four.
Speaker 4: Deaths, only thirty of which were due to toxic substances
Speaker 4: in drugs.
Speaker 5: Thirty deaths in twenty years. That's still a tragedy.
Speaker 4: But here's an idea, just don't take the drugs and
Speaker 4: then we can prevent that. I don't think the answer
Speaker 4: is liberalizing and creating the message that we are liberalizing
Speaker 4: access to drugs and giving it a green light, making
Speaker 4: it this acceptable thing that the government facilitates all to
Speaker 4: potentially but definitely not definitely, save thirty people over twenty
Speaker 4: years that shouldn't have been doing drugs anyway. And to
Speaker 4: put that into perspective, three thousand women a year dive
Speaker 4: breast cancer. Let's put that money into cancer research, into
Speaker 4: things that really matter for Australians who are doing the
Speaker 4: right thing who are just trying to get by, and
Speaker 4: let's stop facilitating dumb young people to do drugs at
Speaker 4: music festivals.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get these resources where it's to nata. Let's
Speaker 3: you know, test the water in the liberal party room,
Speaker 3: because I'm pretty sure that at least half of those
Speaker 3: guys are on acid. Prioritize people. Okay, my two cents, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Well let's go to the US.
Speaker 1: Now, we're a doctor who's based in Seattle who previously
Speaker 1: bragged about, uh bragged about completing wanting rather to complete
Speaker 1: all his trans surgeries or as many as he could
Speaker 1: before Donald Trump tries to stop me.
Speaker 2: He said this on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Now he's been slammed in an ad campaign from the
Speaker 1: Do No Harm group that has accused this doctor of
Speaker 1: profiting of the life altering surgeries, including some conducted on children.
Speaker 1: The group says that he brags about performing the best
Speaker 1: top surgeries for.
Speaker 2: Miners and is pushing to do as many as of.
Speaker 1: These irreversible surgeries as he possibly can, all while reaching
Speaker 1: millions of viewers on social media with his own damaging propaganda. Now,
Speaker 1: the ad says, this isn't care, this is a moral
Speaker 1: take a listen.
Speaker 9: Doctor Jabad Sajohn has charged for nearly two million dollars
Speaker 9: and claims for surgeries on one hundred and twenty kids,
Speaker 9: some as young as seven years old. He brags about
Speaker 9: performing the best top surgery for miners and is pushing
Speaker 9: to do as many of these irreversible surgeries as he
Speaker 9: possibly can, all while reaching millions of viewers on social
Speaker 9: media with his own damaging propaganda. This is not care,
Speaker 9: it's immral.
Speaker 2: It's a strong ad. You know, do no harm. Estimates
Speaker 2: that between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Three, there were at least thirteen thousand miners that underwent
Speaker 1: sex change treatments, five thousand who actually went underwent operations.
Speaker 1: During the same period, nearly nine thousand were given hormones
Speaker 1: and puberty blockers, and as we know, any kind of
Speaker 1: puberty blockers or surgery for children is insane.
Speaker 2: The UK has finally banned them for under eighteens.
Speaker 1: And it just makes no sense that children, who you
Speaker 1: know aren't developed enough or to drive cars to drink alcohol,
Speaker 1: can make these decisions about their bodies.
Speaker 5: For sure.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you don't let kids get tattoos, why
Speaker 4: do you let them chop off their breasts. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just completely abhorrent and it is predatory the idea
Speaker 4: that he's advertising these surgeries on social media to impressionable
Speaker 4: and confused children who just need genuine help and guidance
Speaker 4: if they're struggling, if you want to chop off a
Speaker 4: part of your body, like, let's get you some serious help,
Speaker 4: because that is a very like to be living with
Speaker 4: that sort of internal feeling about your own your own.
Speaker 5: Being is a very horrible and dark place to be.
Speaker 4: Let's get you the help you need instead of enabling
Speaker 4: this kind of twisted view of yourself and of reality. Instead,
Speaker 4: this guy goes out there and goes, great, I'm going
Speaker 4: to make a quick buck. But that's just like the
Speaker 4: big medical industry.
Speaker 3: But it hurts the cause as well, because I have
Speaker 3: absolutely no doubt and I know people in this situation
Speaker 3: who do absolutely one hundred percent know that they have
Speaker 3: been born in the wrong body. They are a man
Speaker 3: when they should be a woman, or a girl when
Speaker 3: they should be a boy. And the problem is that
Speaker 3: when you start advertising these sorts of thing and putting
Speaker 3: those ideas and sort of scatter casting them throughout the
Speaker 3: community and make people think, oh, maybe a thing, and
Speaker 3: then it turns out it is just a phase they're
Speaker 3: going through or whatever. And then suddenly they have gone
Speaker 3: down this path and some things are irreversible. That makes
Speaker 3: everybody think, well, it must all just be bollocks. Then,
Speaker 3: so the real people that these people are supposedly representing
Speaker 3: are the ones that get hurt the most.
Speaker 2: Where you have to go to a break, but stay
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 1: Coming up after the breakdbds might be making a comeback.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the late debate. We'll forget Netflix DVDs
Speaker 1: maybe making a comeback. The owner of the UK's only
Speaker 1: surviving DVD rental store claims that business is booming more
Speaker 1: than forty years after he opened. His name's Colin Richards,
Speaker 1: who opened this store in nineteen eighty four, and it
Speaker 1: originally started as a company that leased videotapes to other
Speaker 1: shops and then he decided to start renting out films. Now,
Speaker 1: while the rise of streaming services like Netflix largely killed
Speaker 1: off the movie rental business, Colin says that he's had
Speaker 1: a steady flow of loyal customers who've kept him in profit,
Speaker 1: and his store is still renting out DVDs to families
Speaker 1: for two dollars fifty a week. He also sells stationery
Speaker 1: repairs for scratch tvds discs and also offers some printing services.
Speaker 2: But Joano's been dying to tell people they're.
Speaker 3: Dying so much. I love this guy and only res
Speaker 3: his businesses guy because he's the only person crazy enough
Speaker 3: to do it. So he's getting everyone coming. But shout
Speaker 3: out to my godson Clancy Lennox, who was watching and
Speaker 3: just texted me. His dad is my best mate. And
Speaker 3: I used to go and stay with them, and they
Speaker 3: had in the weird kind of that weird liminal period
Speaker 3: between video Easy and everything on your iPhone, there was
Speaker 3: this shop that said, right, we're going to get in
Speaker 3: on the new Internet revolution. And it was called Apple Box.
Speaker 3: And what you did was you went to your computer
Speaker 3: in your house, you search for the DVD you wanted online,
Speaker 3: and then you got out of your house and walked
Speaker 3: up to the shop to get it. So it had
Speaker 3: the worst of both worlds. So you had to search
Speaker 3: for everything online, but then you still had to get
Speaker 3: up and go and physically get the DVD. And it
Speaker 3: made no sense whatsoever. And I admire their entrepreneurial spirit
Speaker 3: it's amazing that.
Speaker 1: It's still going. Really after forty years, he says that
Speaker 1: people are actually still doing this.
Speaker 4: It's quite it's quite cute, it's very heartwarming. But like
Speaker 4: from a very objective perspective, the economics of this just
Speaker 4: don't stack up.
Speaker 2: Two dollars fifty a week for one DVD.
Speaker 4: I can get a Netflix subscription for fifteen bucks a month,
Speaker 4: and I can get thousands and thousands of options at.
Speaker 2: The click of a button.
Speaker 4: So good on him for sticking it out, but I'm
Speaker 4: not sure if I'll be switching.
Speaker 2: Back to DVDs.
Speaker 3: It's Vita Max.
Speaker 1: That is all we have time for. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for watching the late debate.
Speaker 2: Up next, the Royal Report,