WEBVTT - Sharri | 1 May

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening Tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Albanez he can't rule out raising taxes if he wins. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>his plans for death duties scare off voters.

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<v Speaker 2>The full details in a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus I'll give you my verdict on who's best to

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<v Speaker 3>govern the nation a head of the election, and my

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<v Speaker 3>prediction of how many seats Labor and the Coalition will

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<v Speaker 3>each win. Also on the show, nine reported Nick McKenzie

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<v Speaker 3>admits to unlawful conduct in pursuit of a story. This

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<v Speaker 3>admission in court after Ben Robert Smith won his bid

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<v Speaker 3>to have the secret recording hurt Well how this all

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<v Speaker 3>unfolded a little later, Another massive show tonight with just

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<v Speaker 3>Into nabag Imper Price, Basil zemplus James Willis, Adam Crichton

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<v Speaker 3>and Moore. Now newspapers publish editorials right before elections, pointing

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<v Speaker 3>readers in the direction they.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe serves the nation best.

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<v Speaker 3>The nine mass Heeads will almost certainly endorse Alvin Easy,

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<v Speaker 3>while the Australian and News Court Metros couldn't in all

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<v Speaker 3>good conscience do that. The Sunday Telly has already backed

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<v Speaker 3>in Peter Dutton. Well tonight, for the first time in

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<v Speaker 3>my journalistic career, I'm going to offer a pre election

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<v Speaker 3>editorial endorsing one side of politics, not out of partisanship,

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<v Speaker 3>but out of necessity. This election matters more than any

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<v Speaker 3>in recent memory. At stake is our national security, social cohesion,

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<v Speaker 3>prosperity and the very capacity to feed our families and

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<v Speaker 3>save for retirement. With our values under threat from enemies

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<v Speaker 3>at home and abroad, our country needs strong leadership, a

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<v Speaker 3>prime minister prepared to defend what we stand for as

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<v Speaker 3>a nation and govern with conviction. Well, Anthony Albinezi is

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<v Speaker 3>not that prime minister. After three years in office, he

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<v Speaker 3>has proven himself unfit to govern. His character, judgment and

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<v Speaker 3>instincts are fundamentally unsuited to leadership. His far left ideology

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<v Speaker 3>is out of step with mainstream Australia. Not only has

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<v Speaker 3>he failed to deliver, but his government has weakened our nation.

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald Reagan famously posed this question in the ninety eighty

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<v Speaker 3>presidential debate against Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 4>Next Tuesday, olive, you will go to the polls, will

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<v Speaker 4>stand there in the polling place and make a decision.

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<v Speaker 4>I think when you make that decision, it might be

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<v Speaker 4>well if you would ask yourself, are you better off

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<v Speaker 4>than you were four years ago? Is it easier for

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<v Speaker 4>you to go and buy things in the stores than

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<v Speaker 4>it was four years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>That question are you better off?

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<v Speaker 3>Help deliver Reagan a landslide victory For most Australians who

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<v Speaker 3>ask themselves this now the answer is a resounding no.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's look at how Australia has fared under Albanezi

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<v Speaker 3>at the kitchen table, at the national level and globally,

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<v Speaker 3>and everything I'm about to tell you is factual.

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<v Speaker 2>Across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Families are worse off as a direct result of the

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<v Speaker 3>alban Easy government. We've been in a per capita recession.

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<v Speaker 3>Energy bills are up thirty three percent, food has surged

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<v Speaker 3>by fourteen percent, and a typical mortgage is now fifty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars more. Families are taking on multiple jobs to

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<v Speaker 3>make ends meet, but their purchasing power is diminishing. Financial

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<v Speaker 3>stress flows through to children and affects marriages. Can't afford toys, clothes, holidays,

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<v Speaker 3>even healthcare. It's all pervasive. Charities are turning away parents

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<v Speaker 3>who can't put food on the table, school students open

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<v Speaker 3>empty lunchboxes, and families who've always had a roof over

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<v Speaker 3>their heads find themselves homeless or living in cars or

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<v Speaker 3>tents on the side of a highway. Albanize has repeatedly

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<v Speaker 3>failed to show that he truly understands these devastating real

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<v Speaker 3>world pressures. And how could he As he jets around

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<v Speaker 3>in his private plane that he calls Toto I after

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<v Speaker 3>his dog. With nearly thirty years on the public teat,

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<v Speaker 3>he prefers to fly, then take long car trips. He

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<v Speaker 3>says this is because of his bad back, yet then

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<v Speaker 3>dares to argue against petrol tax relief. Now that's the

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<v Speaker 3>picture at the family life, at the kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 2>Then at the national level, our.

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<v Speaker 3>Nation's piggybank is in its worst ever shape. Taxes have

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<v Speaker 3>reached a record high under the Albanezy government, with workers

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<v Speaker 3>paying three hundred and thirty one billion dollars last financial year.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's another record that Australia will break under the

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<v Speaker 3>Albanezy government, debt.

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<v Speaker 2>Reaching a trillion dollars next year.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, to reiterate that point, never before have Australians paid

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<v Speaker 3>so much tax.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of using this wisely, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Albaneze government is spending more than ever before ratings Agency

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<v Speaker 3>Standards and Poor is so concerned about structural and hidden

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<v Speaker 3>off budget spending that the agency has warned the Albanezy

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<v Speaker 3>government that it's now at risk of losing our Triple

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<v Speaker 3>A credit rating. And despite promising not to touch Stage

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<v Speaker 3>three tax cuts, which were intended to correct bracket creep,

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<v Speaker 3>Albertezi broke his word, leaving hard working Australians shouldering the

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<v Speaker 3>tax burden of Labour's big spending agenda. Worse still, Labor

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<v Speaker 3>plans to tax unrealized capital gains, money people haven't even received,

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<v Speaker 3>and there are new taxes too.

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<v Speaker 2>On cars. The price of a Forward Ranger will go up.

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<v Speaker 3>By around fourteen thousand dollars, and death duties or an

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<v Speaker 3>inheritance tax even looks likely under the next term.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, turning to Australia's position.

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<v Speaker 3>In the world, we are at our most vulnerable in

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<v Speaker 3>the post war period.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true the Albereneze government has re established trading

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<v Speaker 3>relationships with China, but at what cost. The Albanize the

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<v Speaker 3>government has shown weakness in the face of Chinese aggression,

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<v Speaker 3>even when our defense personnel were injured, off threatened, and

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<v Speaker 3>China threatens our sovereignty with live firing exercises off our coast,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's almost no pushback from the Prime Minister. His

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<v Speaker 3>weakness was epitomized by this cartoon of Johannes Leeks showing

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<v Speaker 3>him on a leash held by Shijing Ping, and Albanesi

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<v Speaker 3>was so infuriated by this cartoon that he carried it

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<v Speaker 3>around with him in his pocket to unfurl and complain about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>That hurts the most, because on foreign policy, Albanesi has

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<v Speaker 3>been diabolical. He's deliberately blurred the lines between our allies

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<v Speaker 3>and adversaries to such an extent that he can't say

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<v Speaker 3>the United States is a closer friend than China.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are we better friends with China or America both?

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<v Speaker 3>He underestimates the democratic values that bind us to America,

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<v Speaker 3>values that our soldiers sacrifice their lives to defend, and

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<v Speaker 3>he ignores the authoritarian practices, including the imprisonment of Cheng Lei,

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<v Speaker 3>the murder of whistleblowers, and the suppression of free speech,

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<v Speaker 3>that make China fundamentally incompatible with our beliefs. And likewise,

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<v Speaker 3>his failure to stand firmly beside Israel, a democracy fighting

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<v Speaker 3>terrorists who slaughtered and still hold hostages captive is inexplicable

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<v Speaker 3>and alarming. His equivocation isn't diplomacy, it's moral cowardice. Threats

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<v Speaker 3>in our region are escalating, from Russia to China. It

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<v Speaker 3>would be prudent to prepare for the future by investing

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<v Speaker 3>more heavily in defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet Albanesi has failed to do this. He has also.

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<v Speaker 3>Failed to establish the most basic level of communication with

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<v Speaker 3>the President of the United States, our most critical ally,

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<v Speaker 3>and this, in large part is in direct consequence of

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<v Speaker 3>his own misjudgment in appointing his mate Kevin Rudd to

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<v Speaker 3>the post of ambassador in Washington, a move, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>he told Australians he wouldn't make in yet another broken promise.

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<v Speaker 3>So from the kitchen table to the nation's piggybank. In

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<v Speaker 3>our place in the world, Albanesi.

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<v Speaker 2>Has left us bereft.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not to mention the litany of broken promises

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<v Speaker 3>and scandals too numerous to name them all here, but

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<v Speaker 3>they include the release of criminal detainees, some who went

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<v Speaker 3>on to re offend his high immigration policy, the housing crisis,

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<v Speaker 3>wasting over four hundred million dollars on a device a.

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<v Speaker 2>Voice referendum, and the crime wave in parts of the

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<v Speaker 2>country and more. Now you may be sitting.

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<v Speaker 3>There thinking, well, I'm a journalist on Sky News Australia

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<v Speaker 3>and thus you'd expect me to have this perspective. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you why this is not the case, because

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<v Speaker 3>I know Albanezi personally. Yes, he came on my show

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eighteen, and I've interviewed him on many occasions

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<v Speaker 3>for The Daily Telegraph as well, but it was more

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<v Speaker 3>personal than that. I've had numerous dinners and coffees with him,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes with an editor as well, sometimes one on one.

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<v Speaker 3>He's even picked me up in his car after working Canberra,

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<v Speaker 3>or dropped into the News Corp offices in Surry Hills

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<v Speaker 3>for a cup of coffee. This was one dinner in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen. Now, I respect the tradition of such meetings

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<v Speaker 3>being off the record, and so I wo divulge what

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<v Speaker 3>was discussed on any of those occasions. But the reason

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sharing this publicly with you tonight is to say

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<v Speaker 3>that I did get along with Albanezi personally, I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>his company, and that my comments now are not from

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<v Speaker 3>a position of political bias, as you know I often

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<v Speaker 3>strongly praise and endorse the centrist state labor governments of

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Mins and Peter Malanaskis, but the truth is I've

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<v Speaker 3>been deeply, deeply disappointed in Albanesi's leadership. And there's no

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<v Speaker 3>greater issue where this has been the case than on

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<v Speaker 3>anti Semitism. His betrayal of our Australian Jewish community for

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<v Speaker 3>political and ideological purposes has been heartbreaking and shocking. We've

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<v Speaker 3>faced anti semitism not seen since nineteen thirties pre war Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's now irreparable, and it's the Prime Minister who's

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<v Speaker 3>allowed it to flourish. He didn't have enough courage to

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<v Speaker 3>stand in solidarity with those unjustly demonized. He's quick to

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<v Speaker 3>condemn white supremacists, and rightly so, but he couldn't stamp

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<v Speaker 3>out or call out the anti semitism from the Muslim

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<v Speaker 3>community or the pro Palestinian protest movement, where it's been

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<v Speaker 3>the most prevalent. His decision to rush through nearly three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand visas to a terror controlled state without adequate security

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<v Speaker 3>checks shows how he abandoned his care for all Australians.

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<v Speaker 3>His failure of basic leadership allowed antisemitism to spread and

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<v Speaker 3>has directly jeopardized the safety of Jewish children in Australian schools.

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<v Speaker 3>And it is not an exaggeration to say there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lack of safety. The AZIO Director General, Mike Burgess said

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<v Speaker 3>plainly that the greatest threat to life in Australia in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty five is anti Semitism. This alone is unforgivable

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<v Speaker 3>and should disqualify Albansi.

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<v Speaker 2>From future leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, my response to his failure and anti semitism is

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<v Speaker 3>visceral as a Jew, as a mother, and as a

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<v Speaker 3>proud Australian, because this is about safety, equality and rejecting racism.

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<v Speaker 3>This is not the Labor Party of Bob Hawk. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a radicalized device, a version led by Albanesi and

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<v Speaker 3>his inner circle Petty Wog, Tony Burke, Katie Gallagher and

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bowen. They've overseen crises in immigration, housing and social

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<v Speaker 3>cohesion and their incompetence as they've damaged down Nation has

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<v Speaker 3>only been outmatched by their arrogant I also believe that

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<v Speaker 3>in life, most of us try to do the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We're honest, we apologize if we make a mistake. But

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<v Speaker 3>alban Easy's growing list of broken promises belies a personal

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<v Speaker 3>failure to abide by a moral code centered on truth

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<v Speaker 3>and integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a difference between spin.

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<v Speaker 3>And outright lies, and alban Easy forgot that distinction a

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<v Speaker 3>long time ago. Now, Peter Dutton hasn't run a perfect campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>far from it, But as the Sunday Telegraphs editorial says,

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<v Speaker 3>a superior campaign should not outweigh three years of pain.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a point Peter Dutton himself made today.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of families who are really doing it tough,

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<v Speaker 5>for a lot of small businesses who have closed over

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<v Speaker 5>the last three years. And this election really is a referendum,

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<v Speaker 5>not about the election camp, but about the last three

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<v Speaker 5>years of government. Are you better off today than you

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<v Speaker 5>were three years ago? And what will it be like

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<v Speaker 5>under three more years?

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<v Speaker 3>And is the entire coalition front bench ready to govern? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps not quite, but they won't further erode.

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<v Speaker 2>What makes our nation great. I believe that Dutton's.

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<v Speaker 3>Instincts, his values, and his moral clarity are solid and unwavering.

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<v Speaker 3>He would never compromise the safety of a community for

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<v Speaker 3>political expediency. He speaks the truth, even when it's unfashionable

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<v Speaker 3>and leads by principle not popularity. At a time of

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<v Speaker 3>global volatility and financial pressure. He offers the courageous and

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<v Speaker 3>calm leadership our country needs. His strength is the antidote

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<v Speaker 3>to the drift, weakness, and moral ambiguity we've endured under Albanezi.

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<v Speaker 3>Another term of Labour means means three more years of confusion,

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<v Speaker 3>division and decline. It's time to turn the page on

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<v Speaker 3>this period of stagnation.

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<v Speaker 2>A Dutton prime prime minister ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Would give our great nation the fresh start that we

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<v Speaker 3>so desperately deserve. Okay, and a bit later in the show,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you my election prediction, how many

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<v Speaker 3>seats precisely I think the Liberal Party and Labor will win.

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<v Speaker 3>But now let's bring in our Thursday panel tonight WA

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<v Speaker 3>Opposition leader Liberal Leader in Wa Basil Zemplus and the

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<v Speaker 3>Daily Telegraphs journalist James Willis. Welcome to you both. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to start with you, Basil. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>most cutting messages in this campaign has been how the

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<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister has lied on many scare and other scare

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<v Speaker 3>campaigns and seems.

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<v Speaker 2>To just get away with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is now going to become the

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<v Speaker 3>new normal in politics, seeing as it has been so effective.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very unfortunate, I've got to say, and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>people will know this. I've just been through my own

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<v Speaker 1>election campaign and been on the receiving end of very

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<v Speaker 1>strong arm labor tactics. Now that's fine, we're all big kids.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to play in the environment that we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>But it has become a repeated pattern of behavior, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>from that side. And if it were in reverse, we

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<v Speaker 1>know the hows that we would hear, yet that we

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<v Speaker 1>would hear. Yet for whatever reason, it has become an

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<v Speaker 1>acceptable policy or an acceptable position for labor in election environments.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not what Australian people want or deserve. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>really playing the game fairly. Although we all know it's

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<v Speaker 1>a robust environment. You've got a cop, what you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a cop. But I think we can do far better.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they're the tactics you're resorting to, what does

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<v Speaker 1>it say about the people resorting to those tactics.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, and we even saw today in an interview with

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Klenell, the Prime Minister couldn't rule out raising taxes

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<v Speaker 3>under the next term and office.

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<v Speaker 6>Have a look at this do you undertake not to

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<v Speaker 6>raise any taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, what we've got, Andrew, is our policies out there

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<v Speaker 4>for all.

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<v Speaker 6>To see, So you won't raise any taxes. So that

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<v Speaker 6>what we've got out there, Andrew, is lower taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's pretty appalling, James, that you know, effectively,

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<v Speaker 3>that's an admission we probably will have new taxes, and

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<v Speaker 3>they'll have to have new taxes to keep our triple

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<v Speaker 3>A credit rating.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, and just the other thing is because they're spending

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<v Speaker 7>so much money, at some point you have to find

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<v Speaker 7>money from elsewhere so the books don't look as disastrous

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<v Speaker 7>as they have been. He also was asked about whether

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<v Speaker 7>he could guarantee a surplus again and was unable to

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<v Speaker 7>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, I think the biggest.

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<v Speaker 7>Missopportunity of this entire campaign has been what Labor is

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<v Speaker 7>planning to do if they win this election. In regards

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<v Speaker 7>to what you spoke about the unrealized capital gains and

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<v Speaker 7>the idea that this could extend beyond superannuation, there's some

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<v Speaker 7>stories this week that talk about it being small businesses,

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<v Speaker 7>talking about enterprise, talking about farms, and basically taxing you

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<v Speaker 7>on money that you haven't even received physically, and the

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<v Speaker 7>idea of raising seven billion dollars over ten years as

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<v Speaker 7>a result. Now that's a massive problem and has the

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<v Speaker 7>potential to hurt a lot of people that have already

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<v Speaker 7>paid tax their entire lives. They pay tax at the

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<v Speaker 7>petrol station, they pay text every time.

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<v Speaker 2>They know with genst and everything else.

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<v Speaker 7>They suddenly get to retirement and the super balance goes whack,

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<v Speaker 7>and the Prime Minister's saying, well, it's one in twenty

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<v Speaker 7>super funds by the time people retire that are young.

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<v Speaker 7>Now it's going to be a lot more people that

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<v Speaker 7>are over that threshold. And because the Greens are going

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<v Speaker 7>to and this cross bench could likely have a big

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<v Speaker 7>larger say that kind of policy could be far worse

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<v Speaker 7>than what we expect. So if I was the Liberal Party,

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<v Speaker 7>I would have been smashing that over the last few weeks.

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's really problematic. But we also know, Sherry

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<v Speaker 7>that the prom is to promised not to change superannuation.

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<v Speaker 7>He wouldn't change the Stage three tax cuts. You lied

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<v Speaker 7>about both those things, and they promise not to squirt

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<v Speaker 7>money around. In jin Chalmer's words, well that's what they've done.

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<v Speaker 7>There's been so much spending under this labor government and

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<v Speaker 7>money that can't actually justify results.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing that Standards and Pause is concerned

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<v Speaker 3>about is that it is structural spending.

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<v Speaker 2>It's built in spending.

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<v Speaker 3>It it's not like it was during the COVID pandemic,

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<v Speaker 3>when it lasts a couple of years, it's stimulus relief

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<v Speaker 3>and then it comes off.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all built in spending.

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<v Speaker 3>Bazilo want to ask you about what James just spoke

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<v Speaker 3>about Labour's policy, and they've got draft legislation on this

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<v Speaker 3>to tax unrealized capital gains and potentially there's also talk

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<v Speaker 3>that they might even have to introduce some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>inheritance tax or death duties.

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<v Speaker 1>That if Labor are resorting to these tactics, they seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be getting away with them and are not held

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<v Speaker 1>to account. That tells us I think a little something

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<v Speaker 1>about the broader environment. But on those particular taxation raising

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<v Speaker 1>areas that they may be going to exploit, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no clarity, there is no truth in delivery there, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet they are very very quick to point the finger

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<v Speaker 1>the other way. For me, one of the issues again

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<v Speaker 1>is why is it that they seem to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get away with it. What is it about the

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<v Speaker 1>environment that we are in that they are not called

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<v Speaker 1>out successfully on some of these mythstruths that they have

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<v Speaker 1>told well.

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<v Speaker 3>And the answer to that is that, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Coalition needed to do a better job of pointing this out.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed to run much tougher.

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<v Speaker 3>Advertising campaigns highlighting the policy, and then of course the

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<v Speaker 3>media as well. But you know, where not the opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>the Coalition should have run those ads. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, James, the Coalition has just now started running

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<v Speaker 3>some pretty strong small adverts. You noticed one on X

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<v Speaker 3>if we've got that let's have a look at that ad.

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<v Speaker 2>It's coming now.

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<v Speaker 7>Are you kissing your boss?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, author liberal camera, very effective ad, James.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these have come too late in the piece. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>We read today that Labor has spent across YouTube and

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<v Speaker 7>Facebook and meta about five million dollars compared to two

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<v Speaker 7>million I think from the Coalition. So with young voters

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<v Speaker 7>plus then you've got the Greens and you've got Climate

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<v Speaker 7>two hundred spending money in that space. They have done

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<v Speaker 7>an excellent job at trying to create this impression that

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<v Speaker 7>Peter Dutton is a really bad guy. The Liberals are

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<v Speaker 7>out of date, they don't know what they're doing, they're evil,

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<v Speaker 7>they don't care about the planet. It's all those sort

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<v Speaker 7>of key messages while spreaking their own messages around correct yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>or they're not going to give you a hex debt

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<v Speaker 7>cut and all those things that add to me. And

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<v Speaker 7>that was from a media conference the other day with

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<v Speaker 7>a Prime minister did a quick visit to a seat

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<v Speaker 7>that points to the PM's character. And this is a

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<v Speaker 7>man that says that he grew up in Housing Commission,

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<v Speaker 7>He's always been a battler.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to.

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<v Speaker 7>South Sydney football games. That's a labor volunteer that has

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<v Speaker 7>been standing out in the rain at one of his

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<v Speaker 7>booths that says, my husband wants to say hello to you,

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<v Speaker 7>and he says yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got

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<v Speaker 7>to go. And that moment to me was just one

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<v Speaker 7>of those ones where I thought the Liberal Party should

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<v Speaker 7>be putting that on every billboard in Australia because it

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<v Speaker 7>goes to the Prime minister's character and how out of

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<v Speaker 7>touch he is become in this role and how as

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<v Speaker 7>you say, he's a thirty year politician. He loves the

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<v Speaker 7>com cars, loves the jet and has forgotten that grassroots

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<v Speaker 7>volunteer that says, we're here, my husband wants to meet you.

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<v Speaker 5>No time for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 3>It's appalling, and that volunteer would have been there from

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<v Speaker 3>eight to ay in the morning when creepole opens, the

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<v Speaker 3>entire day, day and day out. She has that encounter

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<v Speaker 3>with the Prime Minister someone presumably she idolizes and he

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<v Speaker 3>waves her off like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean she might have taken tome off work, she

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<v Speaker 7>might have whatever she's been standing out there handing out

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<v Speaker 7>so that he wins again and he goes, I don't

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<v Speaker 7>have time for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, No, I know, it's really terrible, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Look.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the most egregious lies about the coalition spread

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<v Speaker 3>by the Albnesi government has been the six hundred billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollar figure on nuclear.

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<v Speaker 6>Have a look the six hundred billion dollars that they'll

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<v Speaker 6>need for their nuclear fantasy.

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<v Speaker 8>Peter Dutton can't find the six hundred billion dollars he

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<v Speaker 8>needs for his nuclear reactors.

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<v Speaker 2>Now basil, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>This was from an anti nuclear lobby group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and look, here's where we have to take our

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<v Speaker 1>hats off to the Labor Party and particularly the team

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<v Speaker 1>that have run this very effective campaign for them. They

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<v Speaker 1>seize on these opportunities and then they repeat the message.

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<v Speaker 1>They stay disciplined, and you hear it over and over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again. And unless you can do something to

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<v Speaker 1>break that stream of thought from the Australian public, because

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<v Speaker 1>they keep hearing it over and over again, these numbers

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<v Speaker 1>are going to stick and if they stick, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to scare people. So finding a way to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to get what is the actual truth out there that

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<v Speaker 1>always is the challenge for those who are on the

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<v Speaker 1>receiving end of it. And again, we know this is misinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that this is not based on anything that

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<v Speaker 1>is solid, verifiable or has been researched properly to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to come up with these numbers. But the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>in an election campaign is to get your own message

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<v Speaker 1>out there. And if others are determining what your message is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when you can find it difficult to progress your arguments.

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<v Speaker 3>No, exactly, and as you say, we know this figure

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<v Speaker 3>isn't right, but most Australians who are seeing the television.

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<v Speaker 2>Adverts I keep hearing it commercial.

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<v Speaker 3>TV, yeah and radio, they don't know it's not true. Now, James,

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<v Speaker 3>you looked into this group and when they began this campaign,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean some six months ago. Tell us about the

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<v Speaker 3>story you wrote today in the Daily Telly.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so where this six hundred billion dollar figure came

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<v Speaker 7>from was from a charity. They have a charitable status,

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<v Speaker 7>but they are effectively a solar and battery lobby group

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<v Speaker 7>who have donated to the Labour Party previously, who had

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<v Speaker 7>Simon Holmes a Court on their board until recently Climate

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<v Speaker 7>two hundred by the way, Yeah, until last year.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on the board for five years.

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<v Speaker 7>They were involved in that Chuck them Out binsticker campaign

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<v Speaker 7>from twenty twenty two with Scott Morrison. And there's all

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<v Speaker 7>sorts of questions about how much a charity should be

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<v Speaker 7>weighing into one side of the political debate. The person

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<v Speaker 7>that runs this charity, John Grimes, has certainly been standing

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<v Speaker 7>alongside Chris Bowen. But the point is their whole business

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<v Speaker 7>relies on solar panels and batteries and guess what, nuclear

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<v Speaker 7>is going to be government run if it ever gets up,

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<v Speaker 7>They're going to be government assets. So it's in his

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<v Speaker 7>best interests to not have a nuclear industry and to

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<v Speaker 7>have as much solar and as much battery as possible.

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<v Speaker 7>The number they produce was based on CSIRO modeling, which

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<v Speaker 7>said one hundred and sixteen billion dollars. They then used

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<v Speaker 7>their own in house assumptions and there was a lot

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 7>of political mayo on that to get to six hundred

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<v Speaker 7>billion dollars. I have asked them how they got that number.

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<v Speaker 7>They cannot tell me. I've asked repeatedly. And yet that

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 7>number has become a problem for the Liberal Party because

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<v Speaker 7>it's been used by Jim Chalmers, Anthony Alberanezi, Chris Bowen.

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<v Speaker 7>It's been used in ads, it's been used in push polling.

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<v Speaker 7>But it's worth calling out. It's a flimsy number. It's

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<v Speaker 7>not backed up by science. Yes number by a charity

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<v Speaker 7>who makes money out of lobbying for the solar and

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 7>battery industry, who have no interest in nuclear power and

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<v Speaker 7>never will.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we used to look back at American elections

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<v Speaker 3>and say we we used to feel sorry for them

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<v Speaker 3>that there was so much fake news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable that this has now become the norm.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, Bows, would you remember the outrage,

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Remember how angry Malcolm Turnbull was when there was that

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<v Speaker 3>mediccare campaign two days out from the election and it

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<v Speaker 3>cost him dearly.

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<v Speaker 2>He ended up you know, there wasn't a clear outcome

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.639
<v Speaker 2>on an election Nightumember, how grumpy he was.

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.239
<v Speaker 3>He ended up winning by about one seat I think so,

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 3>or having a majority by one seat. So you know,

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 3>and compare the campaign we've seen now on scare tactics

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 3>to that one metiskit text message.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 2>It is so much more egregious now, it.

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Is, and they just get repeated and repeated, and we've

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>seen the Prime Minister take his Medicare card out of

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.199
<v Speaker 1>his pocket and wave it around everywhere. We know that

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the policy was matched almost instantly by the coalition, Yet

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>continually we've heard from the Prime Minister and his team

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>how much worse off Australians were going to be if

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a coalition government were in place. Look at this is

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.479
<v Speaker 1>an issue now and the American style of politics, if

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you like, particularly with how misinformation is spread with social

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>media and all of the other devices that are available.

0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>They are a part of our modern campaigning here. What

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>is done about it becomes the challenge of this.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Period that we are in right now.

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>You've got to be good at it, or you've got

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 1>to get everybody away from it. It's one or the

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 1>one or the other.

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 3>I think now it's probably going to become the norm. Now,

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>before we go, I want to get both of your

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 3>predictions for who's going to win, and then I'm going

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 3>to give you mine.

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<v Speaker 7>So well, I think you'd be mad to be predicting

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 7>elections from now on because of the rise of the

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 7>independent vote. There's talk of some safe Liberal seats being

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 7>in trouble and labor seats, but I think the PM

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 7>losers seats Dutton gains, the PM won't have a majority

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 7>and we'll have to be doing deals with whatever is

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 7>left at the other side. But I think the damage

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 7>to Albertezi will be significant, and I think Peter Dutton

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 7>will put on a very good show.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, interesting, so much closer, much closer than that, Bazil,

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:52.240
<v Speaker 3>what do you think?

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Super close?

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>How about I tell you about the patch that I

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>know a bit about. I'm very confident about Bullwinkle, the

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>new seat Matt Moran, and I'm very optimistic about Tom

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>White's chances of regaining Curtain and beating Kate Cheney the

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Teal Independent, and huge chances in both tang Me to

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>take it back and also Piers to take it back.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>So on a really good night for the Coalition, there

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>could be three seats regained and one new seat one.

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>It could be as many as four for the Libs

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 1>in Wa.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's a very optimistic outlook, Basil. Well, both of

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 3>you have been more optimistic than the national polls, that's

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>And then most of the commentators I've had on.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 3>This week all right, Basil zamplus James Willis love having

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 3>you both on. Thank you okay, And so here's my

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 3>final prediction for Saturday two days out now. I think

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 3>the Coalition will win around sixty six seats and I

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 3>think Labor.

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Will win around seventy two.

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 3>I think it'll be a hung parliament and we may

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 3>not know a result on Saturday night. I think it

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 3>could take even four days to count the seats to

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 3>get those final results in on the ninfe age seats,

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 3>because there are going to be a lot that are

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 3>quite close or even too close to call on Saturday night. Now,

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Alban Ezy will then have to govern with the Teals,

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>who he has of course already been wooing. He's had

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 3>drinks at the lodge with them. But that's my final prediction.

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 3>The Liberals and around sixty six seats Labor on seventy two.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 3>But I can tell you that Alban Ezy thinks he

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 3>wins majority government with eighty seats. He's as cocky as

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 3>he was with The Voice. Now on Saturday night, I'm

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>going to be reporting with Paul Murray from the Liberal

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 3>campaign headquarters.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Will be on air at the start of every hour.

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 3>So make sure you're watching Sky News for our election

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 3>coverage on Saturday night. All right, Now, still to come,

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 3>the nine journalists who pursued Ben Roberts Smith admits in

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 3>court to unlawful conduct in pursuit of a story.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you how this unfolded. Plus just sent a.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Nabagmber Price unloads on Pennywong's plans for The Voice. She's

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<v Speaker 3>up after this quick break. Welcome back, Well, just into Namba.

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Jimber Price is coming up shortly. But first let's turn

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.080
<v Speaker 3>to the Ben Robert Smith case. Now, it was a

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 3>fascinating day in the Federal Court today as Ben Robert

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Smith took started or kicked off, this part of his

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 3>appeal to overturn the defamation finding in the case against

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 3>nine Now, the days started with a fierce debate about

0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 3>whether that explosive audio recording that we've been playing you

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 3>could be admitted at all. And this is the recording

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 3>where nine journalist Nick Mackenzie admits to breaching his ethics.

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 6>I shouldn't tell you I've just preached my ethics and

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 6>doing that like this is where like this is position

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 6>if they knew that, I knew that.

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 2>The judges eventually allowed it.

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 3>And Mackenzie took the stand squirming as he readied for

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 3>a cross examination by Robert Smith's barrister, Arthur Moses. Uncomfortable

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 3>questions were asked about his knowledge of the code of

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 3>conduct that governs his role as a senior journalist at nine,

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>and Nick Mackenzie admitted to not having read nine's code

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 3>of conduct.

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 2>He was also confronted.

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 3>With examples of where he'd obtained information through unlawful methods

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 3>in pursuit of a story. Now Arthur Moses also quoted

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 3>Mackenzie back to himself from a line in his book when.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>He said he had his balls in a vice and.

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Felt that his career would be over if he lost

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 3>the defamation case against Ben Roberts Smith. Now Arthur Moses

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 3>wasn't his usual dramatic self. He was methodical, chipping away

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 3>at Mackenzie like a surgeon, building his case that the

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 3>journalist uses unorthodox, even unlawful means to obtain a story.

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 3>And Nick mackenzie also admitted to having discussed the audio

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 3>recording with one journalist. To that journalist, Media Watch host

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Linton Besser joining me now to discuss media law. Partner

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>at hwl Absworth Lawyers Nicholas pull and Nicholas thank you

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 3>very much for your time.

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:15.479
<v Speaker 8>What's good in the show?

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>What did you make of this day in court?

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<v Speaker 3>Which was quite nail biting at time, at times when

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 3>we didn't know whether the recording was going to be

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 3>admitted or not.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, as you say, I mean, it was fascinating on

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 8>a number of levels, not just today but all the case,

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 8>all this week, but today especially legally fascinating because and

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 8>you know, journalists take note when it comes to the

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 8>use of tapes and if they're allegedly unlawful, what position

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 8>they have. Now, this hasn't been tested at such a

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 8>high level in the courts in the way that it

0:34:56.120 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 8>has been in this case. So for any legal observer

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 8>or just even taking a small interest in it, it

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 8>was fascinating because even the full bench needed more guidance

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 8>from the Bar table in regards to the admissibility of

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 8>this tape. As you say, it was eventually admitted, but

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 8>there was a lot of scrambling around. It wasn't a

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 8>straightforward issue nor clearly decision.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, Nicholas, talk us through what you made of Arthur Moses' strategy,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 3>also his style. It was different for him. I mean

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 3>he seemed to be he seemed to me to be

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 3>building the case there that this is a journalist who

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 3>uses unorthodox methods in order to obtain a story. Also

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>questioning him about just how much pressure he was under

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 3>during that defamation case, worried about the fact that if

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>he lost it, his career would be over.

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 8>I think you've described it quite well. Methodical, clean, surgeon

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 8>like and certainly not not the style that we've been

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:09.439
<v Speaker 8>used to in the past from mister Moses. But as

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 8>you say, he's building a case and it needs to

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 8>go through quite methodically in quite a staged way to

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 8>get to the point where he wants to to make

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 8>the point that he needs. There's no theatrics here. It

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:30.479
<v Speaker 8>is a clear and clean cut look.

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 3>There was also some discussion about admitting evidence from another

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 3>case that related to just how many times Ben Roberts

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 3>Smith's email account had been accessed either by his ex

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 3>wife's best friend or his ex wife. What would be

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 3>the significance of those phone records being examined in this context.

0:36:55.880 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 8>Well, there's a bit, there's a lot we can't go

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 8>into because and also the advocates of the bar table,

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 8>we're very conscious of what they couldn't go into, especially

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.240
<v Speaker 8>from matters that had been previously going on this week.

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 8>But really what that the nature of that evidence would

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 8>lead to would be to support the contention that's being

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 8>made by by the lawyers for Ben Roberts Smith in

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 8>that mister mackenzie had been involved in matters that related

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 8>to either privileged matters or matters going taken from from

0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 8>Ben Robert Smith's email account. So it's more supporting material

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.839
<v Speaker 8>that they've tried to that they've tried to get into

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 8>evidence just to support their contention.

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, And by the way, if everyone at

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 3>home wants to continue watching this, because the day ended today,

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Nick McKenzie still midway through his cross examination, and anyone

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.320
<v Speaker 3>can watch it. It kicks off again at nine thirty

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 3>am tomorrow. All you have to do is google Federal

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Court YouTube and you pull up the Federal Court YouTube

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 3>page and there it is. You click on it and

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.280
<v Speaker 3>you can watch the hearing live, and I highly recommend

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 3>it starts at nine thirty am tomorrow. All right, Nicholas Pullin,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:21.400
<v Speaker 3>really appreciate your time.

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come.

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Is Labor trying to sneak the voice referendum back onto

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>the agenda? Just inter Namba Jibber Price. We'll discuss this

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 3>with me in a moment. Plus Humus asks people to

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 3>set cars on fire as Israel battles a wildfire emergency. Well,

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I wonder how the pro Palestinian crowd will spin this.

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back and let's bring you now a shadow Indigenous

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Affairs minister just into Nampajin for Price.

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<v Speaker 2>Just int a great to see you again.

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:58.720
<v Speaker 3>We've heard Pettiwong firstly not completely rule out the voice,

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 3>and then we have Annaka Wells and other labor minister

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 3>today say that it wouldn't happen again in its current form.

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>What did you make of her choice of words there?

0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 9>Look, their choice of words are very important when it

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 9>comes to this particular issue. Because we've not been able

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 9>to get a straight answer out of the Albanesi government

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 9>ever since the Voice referendums failure, and so this suggests

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 9>to me that they have a plan to possibly legislate

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 9>the voice if they're successful at the next of this

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 9>election on Saturday. And part of that is also as

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 9>they've said, they're committed to the Ularus statement from the Heart,

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 9>which involved Voice treaty and truth telling in the form

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 9>of a Macarata commission.

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Now justinto after Penny Wong's comments, I mean, this has

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.919
<v Speaker 3>been a big story. I thought the Daily Telegraph front

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 3>page was excellent today the petty drops. You've also fronted

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 3>an advertising campaign, just very quick ad that the Liberal

0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:06.439
<v Speaker 3>Party is sending out to marginal seats warning them that

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Labor could be planning to introduce another voice to Parliament.

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen the ad yet, it is being sent

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 3>to me. But is this a scare campaign or what's

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the nature of this advert?

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 9>Well, the nature of this advert is to highlight the

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 9>fact that the Prime Minister has been deceitful towards the

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.719
<v Speaker 9>people of this country right throughout his campaign. I mean,

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 9>he has delivered nothing more than scare tactics because he

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 9>doesn't have a good record to show over this last term,

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 9>and so the fact that they cannot effectively completely and

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 9>utterly rule out a form of a voice or treaty

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.839
<v Speaker 9>or macarata suggests to me that it is absolutely still

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 9>on the table and that is an insult to the

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 9>Australian people that they have not accepted the outcome of

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 9>the referendum, and that to me is just an absolute

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 9>kick in the guts for Australians. So why would Australians

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 9>trust this Prime Minister to deliver, for them, to listen

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 9>to them, to meet the needs of the Australian people.

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've also been talking on the show tonight about

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.800
<v Speaker 3>how the Prime Minister and interview with Andrew Cluel today

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 3>refused to rule out new taxes.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>We know that already there are other taxes coming in

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a cars.

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Regular car is going to become more expensive if it's

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>not an electric vehicle, unrealized capital gains tax.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do you think Australians.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand that they may face higher taxes if there's another

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<v Speaker 3>three years of labor which is looking likely now.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Look, I mean if Alberanesi comes to government, it

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<v Speaker 9>will be in the form as probably a minority government anyway,

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<v Speaker 9>and then that would mean that they would be absolutely

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<v Speaker 9>reliant on the Greens and the demands of the Greens

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<v Speaker 9>on Albanesi. I mean, we've already seen that occur in

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<v Speaker 9>their first term of government. They will come under even

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<v Speaker 9>more pressure from the Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, as trying to rule out all.

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<v Speaker 9>These taxes, but we know that that won't be the

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<v Speaker 9>case from the Prime Minister hasn't been able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep his word.

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<v Speaker 9>As he said in the last leaders debate. He broke

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<v Speaker 9>his word and he will do that again. That's the

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<v Speaker 9>bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, he constantly breaks his promises. Just into napujiper price.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for your time. Now, don't go

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere yet. We're going to talk about just how much

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<v Speaker 3>of a factor Donald Trump has been on this campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>A new poll suggests he has been a major reason

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<v Speaker 3>why people aren't voting for Dutton. Adam Crichton would join

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<v Speaker 3>me in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>They have been muted celebrations across Israel as it marks

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<v Speaker 3>it's seventy seventh independence Day under the shadow of major wildfires.

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<v Speaker 3>Many traditional ceremonies were canceled as the country battles, the

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<v Speaker 3>largest blaze in a decade. Prime Minister Benjaminettaya, who has

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<v Speaker 3>declared the situation a national emergency. And to make matters worse,

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<v Speaker 3>these fires are believed to be potentially a terror attack

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<v Speaker 3>orchestrated by Hamas. They have reportedly instructed the youth of

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<v Speaker 3>the West Bank, the youth of Jerusalem and those inside

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<v Speaker 3>Israel to set their cars ablaze, and they've said that

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza awaits the revenge of the free, that was their message.

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<v Speaker 3>So this would mean that Israel is under attack from

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<v Speaker 3>the very people who started the war on October seven,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three. This is a very sad state of affairs,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly so as I said on Israel's independence Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yom Ha'atzot.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's bring you now IPA senior fellow, Adam Crichton,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to get straight back into election coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Crichton.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a poll by Redbridge that shows one of the

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<v Speaker 3>main reasons Australians are voting against the coalition is because

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<v Speaker 3>of concern about global uncertainty caused by Donald Trump. And

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<v Speaker 3>we've just seen the Canadian election this week, Mark Carney

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<v Speaker 3>stunning turnaround, how much of an impact do you think

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has had in the Australian election.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, certainly, showing the context of Canada, it's been a

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<v Speaker 6>massive force in the election there. And I think an

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<v Speaker 6>interesting point just to make off the bat is the

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 6>potency of nationalism still. I mean, we often talk about

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<v Speaker 6>a post nationalist age, but in the Canadian context, you

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<v Speaker 6>see that when there's a perceived threat, real or perceived,

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<v Speaker 6>it really matters and people rallied around the government, they

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 6>rallied around the flag in Canada and they voted for

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<v Speaker 6>the government. In the Australian context, I don't think Trump

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<v Speaker 6>has been anywhere near as much a factor. But that said,

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<v Speaker 6>certainly the left, the Labor Party, the Greens have been

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<v Speaker 6>trying to paint to paint the opposition leader as a

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<v Speaker 6>Trump type figure. But I think that's somewhat ludicrous when

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<v Speaker 6>you look at the facts, because he's really been anything.

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<v Speaker 6>But I mean, he's essentially been a labor light figure.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, for instance, can you imagine on the American equivalent, Well,

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.799
<v Speaker 6>I think so they've matched all the spending proposals, there's

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.320
<v Speaker 6>really you know a bit Labors set the economic agenda

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 6>pretty much the whole time, and the point I was

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<v Speaker 6>going to say, just in terms of the Donald Trump question,

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<v Speaker 6>can you imagine Trump in America on their equivalent of

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<v Speaker 6>Anzac Day essentially backing a welcome to country. I don't

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 6>think so. So anyway, my point is that Peter Dutton

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 6>is not a Trump light figure. But that said, I

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.879
<v Speaker 6>think it has hurt him marginally and I think that's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be borne out when we see the results

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<v Speaker 6>on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I agree with you that it has had a

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<v Speaker 3>genuine impact on this election. And you know, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 3>because when Donald Trump was first elected back in November,

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 3>we thought it was going to be this wave around

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 3>the world and end to the woke ideology, and instead we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably now seeing the reverse.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is going to be a trend,

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<v Speaker 3>at least while Trump's in office, while he presents, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a chaotic style of politics, that it'll be more left

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>wing political parties that are elected rather than conservative.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a really good question, I think, No, it's a

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 6>really good question. It's a really difficult question to answer.

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<v Speaker 6>Trump is obviously a polarizing figure within the US, and

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 6>I think outside the US he's widely loath you know,

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 6>we have to be honest about that. He's not a

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 6>popular figure in Australia. But more broadly, I think all

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<v Speaker 6>the action now intellectually is on the right, not on

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 6>the left. The left has become the establishment. You left

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<v Speaker 6>used to me decades ago the party of protest, but

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 6>it's no longer the party of protests because they run

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 6>the media, they run the universities, they run the top

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 6>of our corporations. They are essentially the establishment now, and

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 6>the right is the protest movement. I mean, Trump is

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 6>the protest movement. And I think right parties generally are

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<v Speaker 6>struggling with this transition. They don't know whether they're still

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 6>the party of the wealthy or the party of the

0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 6>working class. And I think Trump has decided the future

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 6>of the Republican Party is with the working class, with

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.360
<v Speaker 6>working people, and you see that in the results. But

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think parties in the UK and parties in Australia,

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<v Speaker 6>the Conservative parties in those countries, I don't think they've

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<v Speaker 6>really resolved that tension yet, trying to have a bit

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 6>both ways, and I think that's difficult. You know, they're

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.480
<v Speaker 6>trying to keep the till seats. Can they do that

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<v Speaker 6>at the same time as being champions of the poor.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I take your point, but I think they can do

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<v Speaker 3>both things because it's about strong economic policy and it's

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<v Speaker 3>about aspiration. And you know, if you've got a strong economy,

0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 3>if you've dealt with inflation, if interest rates a lower,

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 3>if you've got a strong labor market, that benefits you know,

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.719
<v Speaker 3>the blue collar workers just as much as it benefits

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:33.920
<v Speaker 3>company executives.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose I want to ask you before you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has come out against

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<v Speaker 3>net zero. He wrote a new report, The Climate Paradox,

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<v Speaker 3>where he said that voters feel they're being asked to

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<v Speaker 3>make financial sacrifices and changes in lifestyle when they know

0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:50.959
<v Speaker 3>the impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Of global emissions is minimal. That's his words. Fascinating. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think about this changing?

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<v Speaker 6>This is the story of the week, story of the month.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just amazing he said this. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's a you know, when certain politicians reach

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:05.759
<v Speaker 6>a certain age, they're much more honest. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>this is a glorious comment from Tony Blair, who of

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<v Speaker 6>course is a giant of the last fifty years of

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 6>center left politics and I think this is surely a

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 6>wake up call to parties of the right here to

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<v Speaker 6>dump net zero if even Tony Blair says it's insane,

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 6>and he's obviously looked at the facts, and you know, frankly,

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<v Speaker 6>anyone who's objective and reasonable and he looks at the science,

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<v Speaker 6>who looks at the economics, they know that net zero

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<v Speaker 6>by twenty fifty is just not possible. And that's the reality.

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<v Speaker 6>But unfortunately it seems like in Australia when we have

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 6>a re elected Labor government, we're going to have a

0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 6>lot of collateral damage before we realize what Tony Blair

0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 6>has realized.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, indeed, all right, Adam Crichton, thank you so

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<v Speaker 3>much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>Love having you on as always.

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<v Speaker 9>Thanks sho.

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<v Speaker 3>Now remember Saturday night might be a tough night for

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 3>some viewers. Will all be there together and you've got

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 3>to tune into Sky News. Like I said, I'll be

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.320
<v Speaker 3>with Paul Murray, will be in Brisbane at the Liberal

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 3>campaign headquarters bringing.

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<v Speaker 2>You all the coverage from the night.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's an upset, if it's a good night, if

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a bad night, Paul Murray and I will be

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 3>there with you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be on at the start of every hour. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>here's Paul