WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 29 October 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.439 On scoring lis Oustodio. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.200 This is the Reader Panalty Show. 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.440 Good evening and welcome to the Riata Panicky Show coming 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.760 up tonight. Did Anthony Albn easy breach the Minister or 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:19.239 quote of conduct seeking flight upgrades? Just how much trouble 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.599 is the Prime Minister? In a special guest joins me 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.160 tonight before the first ad break, the Great Matt Walsh, 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.680 the man behind ground breaking documentaries What is a Woman? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.680 And am I Racist? Last time I had him on 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.800 the show, the video had around five million views on 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.400 YouTube alone. You don't want to miss that. We'll look 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.720 at the deranged manor MSNBC covered the Trump rally at 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.120 Madison Square Garden and talking about left is losing it. Well, 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.680 we've got plenty of broken celebrities for you tonight, including 0:00:51.040 --> 0:01:06.080 Robert de Niro. But first, the Prime Minister's relationship with 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:10.039 former Quantus CEO Alan Joyce is under scrutiny yet again, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.120 in light of further revelations that between two thousand and 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:17.600 seven to twenty nineteen, during his tenure as a Transport 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.679 Minister and Shadow Transport Minister, he personally solicited twenty two 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.600 free Quantus flight upgrades worth tens of thousands of dollars. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.880 Now there is conjecture about whether that constitutes a breach 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.280 of the Ministerial Code of Conduct that were in place 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.680 from December two thousand and seven onwards, which bans ministers 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.600 from seeking or encouraging any form of gift in their 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:47.880 personal capacity. Anthony Albanesi was Transport Minister under both Rudd 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.760 and Gillard between two thousand and seven and twenty and thirteen, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.480 and the standards of ministerial ethics were first released by 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.440 Kevin Rudd in two thousand and seven, adopted by Julia 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:04.360 Gillard in twenty ten, and the rules are really quite clear. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.960 They state ministers are required to exercise the functions of 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:15.119 their public office unaffected by considerations of personal advantage or disadvantage. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:21.080 Ministers in their official capacity may therefore accept customary official gifts, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.520 hospitality tokens of appreciation, and similar formal gestures in accordance 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.040 with the relevant guidelines. But and it's a big butt, 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.440 must not seek or encourage any form of gift in 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:41.639 their personal capacity. Journalist Joe Aston has published these sensational 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.640 claims in his new book called The Chairman's Lounge, The 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:49.040 insights Story of how quantus sold us out here. He 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:53.400 is on the ABC last night explaining why these allegations 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:54.440 are so serious. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:03:00.760 To solicit upgrades when you are on private travel and 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.800 you are the Minister for Transport regulating the airline industry, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.480 to approach the CEO of the national airline to ask 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.640 to have your economy ticket magically turned into a point 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.520 end ticket, it's just inappropriate conduct, whether or not it's 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.799 declared or not. If Anthony Alberzi had to have been 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.640 Financial Services Minister and had called the CEO of a 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.200 bank and said would you please put fifty thousand dollars 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.280 in my bank account and then disclose it on the 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:25.760 Pecuniary Interest Register, I certainly don't think anyone would be 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.919 sitting around saying, oh, well, he declared it, that's fine. 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.959 Anthony Albanezi has snapped back at reporters today when pressed 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.040 on these allegations. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.520 I have shared very clearly that I recall direct discussions 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:46.200 with Alan Joyce over over the flights the Emirates or 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:50.720 Quanish flight to Dubai and of course the first flight 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.680 to Perth. They're the only times that I was on 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.440 a plane with Alan Joyce. Of the twenty two flights, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:03.160 ten of them doing the leadership ballot between myself and 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.080 Bill Shorten in twenty thirteen. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.440 He also told reporters on Sunday that from time to 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.760 time members of Parliament receive upgrades. What's important is that 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.599 they are declared. All of mine have been declared. But 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.200 that claim has also been questioned, with an exclusive story 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.640 in the Australian Financial Review revealing that the Prime Minister 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.480 failed to declare thousands of dollars worth of business class 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.599 flight upgrades that he secured for his former wife. The 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.040 Opposition has used the allegations to call for a fresh 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.680 Senate inquiry into Contus's relationship with the government and of 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.600 Alan Joyce and Anthony Alberese's relationship in particular. Joining me 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.119 now for more on this as News Corps senior writer 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:52.000 and columnist Patrick Carline, Patrick, this scandal is growing. Doesn't 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.799 seem to pass the pop test. The Prime Minister looks 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.559 entitled here. He certainly seems a little bit out of touch. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.240 And you've got question is judgment. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.320 The optics are terrible. I think this story, as you've suggested, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.799 is just starting. It's going to get worse and worse 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.760 and worse for alban Easy. I think we're looking at 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.240 that press conference today, he's been very unconvincing in his responses. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.919 The devil is in the detail, as Joe Aston was 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.200 saying there before. Was he Transport Minister and was he 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:25.320 soliciting Allen Joyce personally to get benefits well Quantas personally. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.000 Whether you know, if you're in the chairman's lounge, you 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.039 probably have got a special phone number you can call 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:31.400 where you get very good service. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:31.920 That's right. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:36.200 No, certainly Platinum members have access to a different phone line. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.240 So even if it wasn't going directly to Joyce, if 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.800 it was going to anybody at Quantas are seeking this upgrade. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.520 It stinks. It really does stink. As you said, it 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.880 doesn't pass the pub test, and it's going to get worse. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.360 And I think it's going to be a distraction for 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.880 the government for weeks. I suspect, and I think if 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.240 you jump three steps ahead, you might actually be wondering 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.480 whether the ALP wants Antony alban Easy to lead the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.280 party into the next election. I mean, it's just distraction 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:02.240 after distraction. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.800 Well, the sense of entitlement that it portrays also is 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.760 really quite ugly because it just shows he's completely out 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.440 of touch with the average Australian Now. I was amused 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.680 to see this analysis from the ABC. The reporter Tom 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:20.240 Lowry wrote that Quantus's infamous Chairman's lounger just offered a 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.760 quiet place to wait for your next flight. He wrote, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.640 the lounges themselves are apparently not all that interesting. They're 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:29.520 a comfortable airline lounge with enough room for a private 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:33.080 conversation or a quiet space to work. Club sandwiches and 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.800 salt and pepper squid are on the menu. Patrick, that 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.159 sounds like the musings of a man who has never 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.920 been in the Chairman's Lounge. Let me tell you, comparing 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.839 it to a regular business lounge is like comparing a 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.479 Battle of Grange to cask wine. It is a special thing. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.520 And should Quantus be able to use the Chairman's lounge, 0:06:53.960 --> 0:07:00.640 every MP gets membership to essentially an influenced buying exercise, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:01.120 isn't it? 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.279 That's right? Look up it in the Chairman's lounge once. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.440 I think in my life I was with two very 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.760 public figures. I looked around the room and I was 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.880 the most anonymous person in the room by mile. It 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.000 is very important. Look it is a space where very 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.200 powerful people will meet. It is very good for networking. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.480 It is very good for seeing people and talking about 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.720 things privately in a way that does sort of bring 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.120 it does get brought in the question, doesn't it? I mean, 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.360 it sounds too cozy, It sounds way too cozy. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.480 And the experience is just so much superior to what 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.960 else is out there, and so exclusive invitation only, and 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.560 it must have an impact. But Quantus wouldn't be spending 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.280 that money and they wouldn't have that sort of large 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.800 ess for no influence, for no power. There must be 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.800 a payback more along the way. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.440 And you look at what happened to Qatar Air last year. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.000 They wanted to bring more flights in that. I'm not 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.640 sure where the truth lies, but it looks bad, doesn't it. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.880 The perception is that it's too cozy, and it's been 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.280 cozy for a very long time. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.000 And is that pop test we talked about again, exactly, 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.160 Passer Patrick Carline, thank you so much for your time 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.440 this evening. Now, my next guest has been at the 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.640 forefront of challenging the left's relentless culture wars. He's had 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.320 enormous success and exposing just how extreme and dangerous this 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.920 movement has become, but also how completely vacuous it is. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.680 His documentaries, including the brilliant What Is a Woman, have 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.680 achieved huge commercial success and they have also opened the 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.280 eyes of many to what is being pushed in the 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.480 name of diversity, inclusion and equity. Let's have a look 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.160 at his latest groundbreaking work, Am I Racist? 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.319 Let's be clear what's happening in this country to Nazism. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:44.959 Republicans are Nazis. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.079 You cannot separate yourselves from the bad waite people. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.000 Is because I said I had seventeen black friends, it 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:56.240 might have been fifteen. It depends on how you count them. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.199 Am I Racist? I would really appreciate it if you laugh. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.440 I'm trying to learn on this journey. Can you please leave. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.120 I'm going to sort this out. I need to go 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.560 deeper undercover, so I want to be an ally. I 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:07.720 need to look like well. 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.800 Joining me now is the man behind Am I Racist? 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:20.480 I certified? Matt Walsh. Matt, firstly, congratulations on the success 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:25.280 of this film. It's clever, it's funny, really funny, and 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.400 it's been hugely successful at the box office. After only 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.599 a couple of weeks. It was the highest grossing documentary 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.840 of the Year, despite the fact that critics refused to 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.200 review the film. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.040 Yeah, that's exactly right, it was. You know, it's I'm 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.720 not sure. I don't know if we keep track of 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.800 this kind of thing, but I think it's probably one 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.160 of the only films that had a wide release theatrically 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.560 and debuted top five of the box office and yet 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.680 was not reviewed by a single mainstream film critic. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:00.880 And you know it was. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.160 It was in theaters for four or five, six weeks 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.440 and never got those reviews. Now it's on Deli wire 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.280 dot com streaming, so everybody can see it after they've 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:11.320 become members. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.200 And through this whole run. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.240 Still the mainstream film critics are basically trying to pretend 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.760 that the movie doesn't exist. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.600 Which is which? Which is which? Is interesting to me? 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.240 Absolutely, And if you're interested in US politics, if you're 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.320 interested in the culture wars at all, the Daily Wire 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:36.000 is a subscription to have. Certainly, Now, the film may 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.720 have been stopped by critics, but the viewers have given 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.720 it a ninety seven percent rating, which is enormous. That's 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:47.480 to say rating The Godfather Part two has the best one. Now, Matt, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:53.480 tell me about your transformation from conservative, white, heteronormative man 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.400 the enemy if you will have it to the certified 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.240 DEI expert complete with and Bonnie, were you treated differently 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.800 after this transformation and how did so many fall for 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:06.520 these ruse? 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.520 I want to treat it differently. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.520 You know, I got the actual certification and it's they 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.280 give you a little card. They mailed it to me, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.439 and I found that that card opens a lot of doors. 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.880 I mean literally opens a lot of doors. And I 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:25.280 think it's because on the left they are very careful 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.360 about who they engage with. I think they're aware that 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.160 a lot of their ideas are just don't don't stand 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.800 up to scrutiny, and in particular the race hustlers, the 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.840 DEI con artists who pushed this stuff, I mean they know, 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.080 I think they know at some level that their ideas 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.160 are utterly vacuous and shallow and fragile and fall apart 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.080 under the slightest scrutiny. So what we discovered this is 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.640 pretty simple, is as long as you present yourself as 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.120 someone who is not going to challenge them, as someone 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.600 who is, as they would say, safe, then they'll they'll 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.120 welcome you with open arms and more importantly, and this 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.720 is what we wanted to bring out in the film. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.120 They'll just be honest, They'll they'll tell you what they. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.880 Actually think, and they'll behave in the ways that they 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.320 would actually behave in real life. And that's what we 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:14.640 wanted to bring out in the film. That's why we 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.720 approach it the way we did, where I'm you know, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.800 where I am presenting myself as someone who agrees with 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.160 them and is just eager to learn more and kind 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.400 of putting their ideas into practice. We wanted the audience 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.800 to be able to see, you know, if you take 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.640 these ideas seriously and if you put them into practice, this. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:31.400 Is where it leads. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.200 We wanted it to kind of build and build and 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.360 build and get weirder and weirder as the movie goes on, 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.680 so that by the end of it you can you 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.640 can see that, like this, this leads to some pretty 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:40.320 dark places. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:42.960 Oh it does. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.840 It's disturbing on a number of fronts, but the way 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.439 you do it is so entertaining and funny. Let's hear 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.559 now from one of these so called anti racist educators 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.720 who is troubled by her own four year old liking 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.160 white Disney princesses, princesses. She sees that as a failing. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.920 But then she will also saw an issue with your 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.160 three year old daughter wanting to dress up like a 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:09.560 Polynesian princess. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.360 My daughter's four years old. I am an anti racist educator, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.080 quote unquote. She's still watching Disney movies and she is 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:21.439 choosing a white princess over princesses of color. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.439 Have you talked to her about that all the time? 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.040 My three year old daughter is her favorite princess is Molana. Well, 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.679 it's a good sign. Yeah, But then I also thought, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.679 you know, there's a little bit of cultural appropriation here. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.040 She wants to be Malana for Halloween. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:36.599 M h. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.559 So how do we navigate that? 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.800 Do I go and buy the Pacific Islander native attire 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:46.400 from my white three year old? 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.079 I wouldn't. I wouldn't. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.679 Matt. Were you shocked to learn that your three year 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.120 old daughter is inherently racist? 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:58.640 I was. I was very troubled. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:13:59.760 And you know, I got to tell you it's even 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.040 worse that it sounds in that clip, because earlier that 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:06.560 in the same conversation, I talked to her about my 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.400 my I have six month old twins that they were 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.280 six months old at the time when we were filming it, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.520 and I said, you know, do do I need to 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.840 when do I need to start talking to the babies 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.920 about their racism? And she told me that, you know, 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.720 you need to start talking to them now, like before 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.040 they can talk. So and the thing is, you listen 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.400 to these ideas and it sounds crazy. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.160 It is crazy. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.400 We laugh at it, and we should laugh at it 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.680 because it's totally absurd, but it's also you know, it's 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:38.000 also quite quite dangerous, and especially when you consider that, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.480 you know, maybe to you and me, we hear a 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.400 three year old as racist for liking Mohana, and we 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.320 kind of recognize it as inherently absurd. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.480 But there are a lot of people who who who. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.200 Don't recognize it as absurd, and they fall into this 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:51.600 and they're brainwashed by it. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:53.360 And that's another thing that. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.600 We try to bring out in the film. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.000 Oh absolutely, And you see that right now with Halloween 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.720 in a couple of days away, the way people are 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.240 twisting themselves into notts, trying to figure out what's offensive 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.640 and being offended on behalf of others. Often now tell 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.280 me about working as a waiter undercover at a dinner 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.120 hosted by two of the worst grifters in this space, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:23.600 Regina Jackson and Saara Reyo. They charge silly white women 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.160 enormous amounts of money to basically abuse them over a meal. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.880 It was a miserable experience. And really, the hatred of 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.360 yourselves and each other is like the most the naziing 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.200 your power, the being a freid. Like all you do 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.360 is talk about each other, talking about yourself. 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.600 My god, that's that's fad. That's all they do. I'll 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.760 tell you he's a white woman, but that's it. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:16:00.400 I'm so fat, I'm so stupid. I'm blah blah blah. Sorry, 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:02.360 your kids are watching you. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:10.120 The self loathing among white, liberal, affluent women. Tell me 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.080 about this because it's a phenomenon that's evident here in Australia. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.200 I believe it's evident in parts of Europe and certainly 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:23.000 in America, where they are leaning overwhelmingly left and they 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:29.320 seem to have some very strange ideas about things that 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.920 should feel great guilt over, even if they've committed no sin. 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:36.880 Yeah, it's I mean, it's an epidemic. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.000 And right now in America we have our first DEI 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.400 presidential Candada Kamala Harris, who's sort of trying to write 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.080 this this kind of confusion and guilt into the White House. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.760 And we'll see if it works or if it doesn't. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.880 But the fact is that what you saw on the 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.880 clip there called Race to Dinner, it's a real thing. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.400 Everything in the movie is real, and there's there's a 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.440 there's a reason why grifters like cyber Row are able 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:05.959 to make a living, a pretty good living. I mean, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.520 they these these women, these white women, pay thousands of 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.480 dollars to sit around a dinner table for two hours 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.119 and have these other two women call them racist. And 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.240 you know, I was in the room, as you could see. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.440 I had to I had to come as a waiter 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.199 because I wasn't invited to the table because I'm not 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.439 a woman. But but I I saw this kind of 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.080 brainwashing session firsthand, and. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.560 It is it's brutal. I mean, it's ruthless. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.320 These women were getting torn down, uh and just eviscerated, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:38.280 torn apart, and convinced that they were they were racist. Meanwhile, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.720 you know, I'm I'm listening to it, and the women 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.600 at the table, they obviously have lots of issues that 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.919 they need to work through. But none of them are racist. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:46.600 That's they don't have to worry about being racist. They're 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.760 definitely not racist. Uh, but they're convinced that they are, 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.840 and then they kind of are told that they have 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.560 to go to these these Dei grifters who are sort 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.800 of the high priestesses of the Dei cult for absolution. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.240 You know, it's it comes as almost religious like cult. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.760 Now, the highlight of the film for many viewers was 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.680 your masterful at dismantling of the queen of critical race 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.439 theory d I queen herself, Robin DiAngelo, the author of 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.520 white Fragility, and you managed to get her to pay 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.560 reparations to your black producer. What do you say to 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:28.720 those who say you engaged in dishonest methods to expose 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:33.520 someone like DiAngelo? You embarrassed her. Are you guilty of 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.679 punching down Matt, No, I don't think. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:37.920 So at all. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.879 Listen, you know, this movie has drawn comparisons to Borat, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.920 and I think that, I mean, there are some comparisons there, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.440 and I'm flattered by the comparisons because Borat's a hilarious film. 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:50.320 But in movies like that and other occasions where Hollywood 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:51.600 films have taken a similar approach. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.360 They oftentimes they really do punch down. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.840 I mean they are embarrassing normal Americans or just living 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:57.320 their lives. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.400 In our case, we are looking. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:03.560 To expose people who are, you know, make thousands of 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.120 dollars off this or millions. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.160 They sell books, they have PhDs, they you know. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:13.640 They consult with Fortune five hundred companies, and and those 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.879 are the people we're looking to expose. And the thing is, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.840 you know, it's really there were no dishonest methods because 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.639 the only method really was and you'll see it if 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.960 you watch the whole movie and you watch that whole scene. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.959 The only method is just me giving her the opportunity 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.679 to live according to her own principles. And we didn't 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.240 force her to do anything. She does ultimately pay reparations 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.320 spoiler alert, But we didn't. 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:36.800 Force her to do it. 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.320 She could have just said no and refused, and that 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:40.840 would have been it, and then she would not have 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.159 embarrassed herself. She wouldn't be embarrassed in the scene. So 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.879 if Robindy Angelo walks away from that feeling embarrassed, and 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.040 I think now she does, she's you know, she's she 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.119 has deleted all of her social media accounts and everything. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.960 She seems to be embarrassed, But she did that to herself. 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:54.640 We didn't do that, I'm afraid to say. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.000 And you're right, this isn't punching down in any sy 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.800 of the word, because these are very powerful, influential people, 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.960 not just becoming rich out of this Dei grift you 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:12.160 may call it, but just having enormous influence on the 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:17.800 working lives of everyday people. DeAngelo, for example, does all 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:22.080 sorts of training with the top corporations, teaching them some 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.679 of this philosophy, and then those employees are obliged to 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.240 at least pretend to practice that in their working lives. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.960 Yeah, that's exactly right, we ask her. Also in the 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.240 film you know who does? Who has she worked with? 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.800 And she starts listing off big, you know, big corporations. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.480 And the interesting thing too in the film is that 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.960 you could see her turn to off camera to one 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.640 of our producers and say, well, well, should I say 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.199 this out loud? She was actually a little bit she 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.040 was unsure of whether she should reveal that detail or not. 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.160 But the fact is that these people have a lot 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:56.760 of power. 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:02.040 They have you know, when you've got hr companies at 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:07.119 the biggest corporations in the world. Treating your ideology as 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:12.040 gospel and forcing employees to affirm it. Well, that's that's 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:13.880 you know, when it comes to cultural power, it doesn't 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.400 get more powerful than that. And that's exactly what we're 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:18.520 trying to trying to expose. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.080 Now, I've got to ask you one question about the election. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.640 Race is becoming a big issue. The Democrats are determined 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.639 to make it a big issue. Will it play a 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.439 part in determining who is the next president of the 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:33.360 United States? 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.520 I don't know, you know, I it's hard for me. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.760 Every time I've tried to make a political prediction, I've 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.600 always been wrong. So I'm trying to show some restraint 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.040 and not predict anything. I think that, you know, there 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:49.760 are a lot of signs to me that are very 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.879 positive for Trump right now. And even on the race issue, 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.360 I think a lot of the polls are showing that 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.560 the attempts by the Kamala campaign to gin up racial 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.960 resent men and all of that has kind of backfired, 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.679