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Speaker 1: Approach a production.

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Speaker 2: Photo Record. I don't try and make you un comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Photo Record. You ain't trying world and stuff for your brand,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to part two of my chat with Prince.

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Speaker 4: In the last episode, you heard him leave jail and

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Speaker 4: start his new path.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you have that mentality, you get out.

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Speaker 1: I sort of I you didn't really get out with

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Speaker 1: that chip on the shoulder, you know, like I thought of.

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Speaker 1: I could have easily said, yeah, I've done my jail,

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Speaker 1: I've done a bit of a whack, met some good boys.

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Speaker 3: I can just move on to fluff now. I've got

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Speaker 4: Got my You look like one of the most humblest humans,

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Speaker 4: And I mean that's sincerely like you don't come across

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Speaker 4: as ego driven like.

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Speaker 3: I said, they're You know, you're not a small man.

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Speaker 3: You're not a small man like you.

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Speaker 4: Your presence is very large and you know you know

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Speaker 4: you're there when you're to turn and go. I've seen

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Speaker 4: the full pictures of especially when you're in jail. Bro Man,

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Speaker 4: You're You're a beast. You're an absolute beast. There's no

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Speaker 4: other way of talking about it. You're a very big man,

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Speaker 4: very very very very big.

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Speaker 3: Man, someone that mayoble would step aside.

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Speaker 4: If you come through the yard doing laps, you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: walk straight through you, a simple as that. But I

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Speaker 4: want to ask you something and this is something that

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Speaker 4: I also experienced too. When I caught my six years

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Speaker 4: my wife was pregnant with your son, and here, out

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Speaker 4: of four children, was the only one that I never

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Speaker 4: his life, I missed.

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Speaker 1: How how do you find that today?

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Speaker 4: Because as a dad that understands that, and I think

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Speaker 4: My son's birthday was just fifteen two Fridays ago, and

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Speaker 4: I always find it personally, and I'll say this it

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Speaker 4: it's the heartbrobe, you know, because how do you look at.

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Speaker 3: Your three out of four children and then explain to

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't relate to it, You can't contribute

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Speaker 3: and I remember and that gots me bro every year,

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Speaker 3: and now, you know, like fifteen years, I still am

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Speaker 3: cut because I feel I never felt. I don't feel

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Speaker 3: I take it, and I don't have any regrets, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah does man. I sort of made peace with it

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Speaker 1: pretty early. And then, you know, we always said, even

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Speaker 1: I was at work as I work, and I actually

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Speaker 1: it a few months ago, and I said, how I

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Speaker 1: That's what I was going through, that was my consequences,

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Speaker 1: just there's nothing I can do about it going forward.

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Speaker 1: Got to keep doing it. And I sort of turned.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's a you know, for me, I was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know what, Look, I should have known

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Speaker 4: and then I'll put my hand straight up, so I've

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Speaker 1: I just put my hand up with me. You got

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. In the story, there's no statements, there's nothing,

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Speaker 1: Know you got me.

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Speaker 4: I'm guilty, I wats my just hurry upsets me. Ten

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Speaker 4: months later the brief was ready book. I'm out, I'm done.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing my whack.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I know where I stand.

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Speaker 4: So you know, when you look at it from that

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Speaker 4: point of view, you're not thinking about consequences prior to

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Speaker 3: You're just thinking about that moment and doing what we

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Speaker 4: But I must admit it does, it has and it's

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Speaker 4: something that haunts me probably once a year, just a birthday,

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Speaker 4: he's me five, you know, and he's doing unreal And

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that you and your daughter's relationship is full lockdown,

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Speaker 4: like that's daddy's girl and yours.

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Speaker 1: She loves her dad. Yeah you can't. You can't buy that.

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Speaker 1: So are we worse off? Maybe not. Maybe it brings

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Speaker 3: A lot stronger than the average parent that doesn't have

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Speaker 4: And I do believe that if you make that effort,

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Speaker 4: You know, Like I seen something that you put up

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Speaker 4: talking about the kids, And it was about you know,

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Speaker 4: you coming out and what you've done first, how you've

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Speaker 4: were sort of asking about, you know, putting time in

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Speaker 1: Am I right?

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Speaker 4: And what I'm saying, yeah, yes, right, yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 4: and your explanation around it was being a great provider

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Speaker 4: by building that empire, now building something with solid foundation

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Speaker 4: it made so much sense because what you're putting in. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: you might be you know, doing what you're doing a

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Speaker 4: lot of the time, which takes tot away from the family,

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Speaker 4: But what's relative is you're a hard working man that's

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, that's that's what it's about.

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Speaker 3: And right there, But no one else is going to

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Speaker 3: going to walk up to you in it and say, look, hey, Prince,

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Speaker 3: you're a good looking, healthy man. There's a suit, there's

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Speaker 3: a corporate position.

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Speaker 1: We want you a.

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Speaker 3: Part of our board, and there's you know, two hundred

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Speaker 4: You get a company car. Welcome to the team mate.

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Speaker 4: There we go and I don't remember now.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't still half my fucking life. And Joel, if

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Speaker 4: And this is the things that I think people need

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Speaker 4: to understand is, yeah, what.

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Speaker 1: What next when you do come home?

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Speaker 3: Because without that plan you're going to go back, and

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Speaker 3: you did go back.

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Speaker 1: I did well. I mean, look, just just to finish

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Speaker 3: And now I mean, so you're a leader today. You're

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Speaker 1: Well, I will never be the father back then that

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Speaker 3: Ant that's what I was saying, you just that's what

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Speaker 3: I was just saying just before. I think we and

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Speaker 4: Please don't ever. You known't even the listeners. I don't

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Speaker 4: when your children with yourself. Nay Am, I take my

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Speaker 4: hat off to you, because life is a tough.

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Speaker 1: Road to walk. We chose to do certain things that

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Speaker 4: But on the flip side of that, it's made us

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Speaker 4: better versions of our parentuarranty. You know, my kids will

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Speaker 4: tell me our dad, you're a bit strict.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just not an idiot. I just see things

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Speaker 3: You know, like, I've got fifteen, eighteen, twenty six and

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Speaker 3: they're God Dad. The kids love you, your mates love you,

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Speaker 3: But you're a bit strict, you know. No, I'm a

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Speaker 4: You're all sporty, apocademic. None of us are in trouble,

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Speaker 4: and it's going to stay that way because my wrongs

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Speaker 4: they don't need to live that life that we live.

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Speaker 1: It's not an option as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 3: So then it's on us as parents, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Now, the biggest thing is where does it come back to.

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Speaker 1: It comes back to the court, the home, the parents.

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Speaker 1: ninety percent like they couldn't they I'm not gonna say couldn't,

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00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,881
Speaker 1: but it's not something that they would probably even get

434
00:20:02,921 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 1: a chance to experience. No, So it's I think, you know,

435
00:20:06,281 --> 00:20:08,761
Speaker 1: we for us, it's we don't give ourselves love credit

436
00:20:08,801 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 1: because a lot of people, like I say to people

437
00:20:12,201 --> 00:20:14,521
Speaker 1: what I've done in terms of learning how to be

438
00:20:14,521 --> 00:20:16,521
Speaker 1: a father, of getting out after you know, such a

439
00:20:16,561 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: big case.

440
00:20:17,481 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 4: I love that just to use the word learn, and

441
00:20:21,241 --> 00:20:23,481
Speaker 4: I used that same word I had to learn. I

442
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,561
Speaker 4: made a mistake with my oldest son, which cost me

443
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,801
Speaker 4: a relationship, you know, but I vowed and ever to

444
00:20:27,801 --> 00:20:30,521
Speaker 4: make that mistake with my other three children because I

445
00:20:30,561 --> 00:20:31,001
Speaker 4: had to.

446
00:20:30,961 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: Learn how to be a dab.

447
00:20:32,001 --> 00:20:33,921
Speaker 3: I had to learn how to I had to learn

448
00:20:33,961 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 3: how to give love and accept love. Yeah, that word's

449
00:20:37,481 --> 00:20:41,001
Speaker 3: very powerful, bro very. Yeah, that's that's the truth to

450
00:20:41,041 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 3: you know. I was learning that.

451
00:20:43,001 --> 00:20:44,441
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had to do all these

452
00:20:44,481 --> 00:20:49,521
Speaker 1: things and start a business so soon after. And you know,

453
00:20:49,561 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: it's just I said to I said to my missress one.

454
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: But I said, I don't. I said, tell me someone

455
00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: that's sort of been, that's done this at my age,

456
00:20:58,801 --> 00:21:03,401
Speaker 1: been through young and psycho mimic what they did. I said,

457
00:21:03,681 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: there isn't anyone, you know, I mean, there's no one

458
00:21:06,481 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: who who can I who can I follow it? As

459
00:21:08,281 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 1: I said, I'm doing this, I'm setting this this path

460
00:21:11,321 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: now I'm young. I'm literally just out after this. My

461
00:21:13,801 --> 00:21:15,721
Speaker 1: colleges are doing life. They're going to die in jail.

462
00:21:15,961 --> 00:21:19,321
Speaker 1: I've still got police hassling me over rubbish. I've still got,

463
00:21:19,481 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, pro breathing down my neck. Now I've got

464
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,281
Speaker 1: a six figured business. After twelve weeks.

465
00:21:23,201 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 3: I learned how to be a dad. I don't get

466
00:21:25,281 --> 00:21:27,041
Speaker 3: out to Scott Free. I've got to pay bills.

467
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,441
Speaker 1: You know, I've got a school fees, We've got another car,

468
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,761
Speaker 1: had another baby. This is all within twelve months after

469
00:21:32,921 --> 00:21:33,721
Speaker 1: I saw your tax.

470
00:21:33,721 --> 00:21:36,321
Speaker 3: There's all your living expenses, everything I think that normal

471
00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:37,481
Speaker 3: people have to experience.

472
00:21:37,521 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: That's life, that's realized straight, that's it, straight out of

473
00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:43,161
Speaker 1: the door. You know, there's no breathing, there's no there's

474
00:21:43,201 --> 00:21:46,321
Speaker 1: no Havniman period. I'm straight into the life. So I said,

475
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: who who can I ask for help? Who can? No

476
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,921
Speaker 1: one knows, No one's been through this, no one can

477
00:21:52,201 --> 00:21:54,761
Speaker 1: do this. So I had to take a step back

478
00:21:54,801 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, you're doing something that is

479
00:21:57,321 --> 00:22:00,681
Speaker 1: it's not common. I'm doing. I'm making decisions and I'm

480
00:22:00,681 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: walking a path that is not common at all. It's

481
00:22:02,921 --> 00:22:07,521
Speaker 1: it's it's almost an possible path for the majority of them.

482
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,961
Speaker 1: You're destined to pay out. You're just another statistic. Basically,

483
00:22:10,961 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: that's what we are saying. We are.

484
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Speaker 3: We are the moment we walk out those gates like

485
00:22:14,321 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: I had three years federal parole and they couldn't believe

486
00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: that I finished it. You know, But I'm not like

487
00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 3: I'm not like everybody else. You're not gonna You're not

488
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,481
Speaker 3: gonna break me, and you're not gonna put me in

489
00:22:24,521 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: a position where I'm going to fail to satisfy you.

490
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to finish my prole. I'm gonna be that person.

491
00:22:30,281 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 3: And and it was hard for them to accept because

492
00:22:32,681 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 3: the the more success that you show, the harder they

493
00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: come down on you.

494
00:22:36,681 --> 00:22:41,041
Speaker 1: They don't want to see you succeed. And that's that's

495
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: the that's the I mean, you say that to someone,

496
00:22:43,441 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: to a regular person society, and they just think that

497
00:22:45,521 --> 00:22:47,801
Speaker 1: you haven't changed. That's just how our cook thinks. You know,

498
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:52,681
Speaker 1: that's the truth, Shire, just that's the truth. It's actually

499
00:22:52,721 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: the truth. Like I can't we can see here and

500
00:22:54,681 --> 00:22:56,321
Speaker 1: say to a black and blue in the face and

501
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: people won't even believe it. But it is what it is.

502
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's the truth and we know it. So

503
00:23:00,721 --> 00:23:02,281
Speaker 1: as long as we know it, you know, we can

504
00:23:02,281 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: put a head on. At the ind of the day,

505
00:23:03,561 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: I know that we're given a look crack And if

506
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: the was against us, the words against us. We're going

507
00:23:07,201 --> 00:23:08,041
Speaker 1: to ask on forward.

508
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: So hey, man, batheron, as long as we keep reaching

509
00:23:10,201 --> 00:23:13,521
Speaker 3: out to the man upstairs and you know it put

510
00:23:14,321 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: in God's hands.

511
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,081
Speaker 1: It's it's it's what you've got to do.

512
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,401
Speaker 3: And that's that's just that's just plain and simple. You've

513
00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:22,881
Speaker 3: got to have that belief. So you've you've gone back

514
00:23:22,921 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: in your second time. Now let's let's try and skim

515
00:23:25,481 --> 00:23:27,041
Speaker 3: over this a bit because I want to move forward

516
00:23:27,041 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: into your real positive part of where you are.

517
00:23:28,921 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 4: And guys, now, as i'm very very great, I just

518
00:23:31,441 --> 00:23:34,121
Speaker 4: stoke for you. You get see the smaller than it's exciting.

519
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: You've just done five. You're a young man, you're out,

520
00:23:39,041 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 4: like we've just talked about, you've had a daughter in

521
00:23:41,441 --> 00:23:46,121
Speaker 4: the meantime. For most they would think that life's pretty good.

522
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,001
Speaker 4: You know, you've got a second chance. But hang, boom,

523
00:23:49,241 --> 00:23:49,721
Speaker 4: you pinch.

524
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,241
Speaker 1: Now.

525
00:23:50,321 --> 00:23:52,321
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into the details of what

526
00:23:52,521 --> 00:23:54,281
Speaker 4: was the crime and that and all that sort of thing.

527
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

528
00:23:56,041 --> 00:23:58,801
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, you're doing a big

529
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 4: whack again and you were pinched on a serious blue

530
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that and that feeling for you.

531
00:24:04,201 --> 00:24:07,161
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, look like I've and I appreciate

532
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,761
Speaker 1: that because there is obviously a very sensitive topic. I've

533
00:24:09,761 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: got Coe's you know, co accused in the manner that

534
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: that are tabri sentenced to multiple life sentences, three four

535
00:24:16,321 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: or five flu sentences in jail, so they're actually never

536
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: to be released, a couple of them. So wow, appeal

537
00:24:22,241 --> 00:24:24,521
Speaker 1: processes are in place, a lot of a lot of

538
00:24:24,561 --> 00:24:27,481
Speaker 1: guilty verdicts, so people were still you know, they're still

539
00:24:27,481 --> 00:24:29,401
Speaker 1: going through the courts proven trying to prove their innocence.

540
00:24:29,441 --> 00:24:34,321
Speaker 1: So I totally understand that. Yeah, just very much. Yeah,

541
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: you know how it is, bro, Like it's yes, I do,

542
00:24:37,001 --> 00:24:40,241
Speaker 1: you know how it is. And but anyway, it was

543
00:24:40,281 --> 00:24:42,801
Speaker 1: a massive case, bro, probably one of the biggest in Australian

544
00:24:42,801 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: criminal history.

545
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 3: Transnational organizations. Millions of dollars spent into it.

546
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,281
Speaker 1: And yeah, the morning that came crashing down, I actually thought,

547
00:24:53,281 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: I actually thought I was getting I was getting locked,

548
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: to be honest, because I've just been a bit of

549
00:24:58,921 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: a loose in somewhere.

550
00:25:00,721 --> 00:25:02,281
Speaker 3: Well I thought I thought we were getting locked because

551
00:25:02,281 --> 00:25:03,161
Speaker 3: of the way we were arrested.

552
00:25:04,041 --> 00:25:06,761
Speaker 1: So really that that time, at the time, you know,

553
00:25:06,801 --> 00:25:10,321
Speaker 1: TRG and that the pumping doors in dawn raids five

554
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,481
Speaker 1: six a m. We got smashed mid day til thirty

555
00:25:13,481 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, coming with keys into the units, you know,

556
00:25:17,321 --> 00:25:21,521
Speaker 1: creeping in you'll fill their stealth mo bro, Yeah, vass

557
00:25:21,561 --> 00:25:24,561
Speaker 1: going everywhere. So I am. The last thing I thought

558
00:25:24,561 --> 00:25:26,561
Speaker 1: at twelve o'clock on a Tuesday midday is that we're

559
00:25:26,561 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: going to get raided because it's a it's a pre

560
00:25:28,321 --> 00:25:32,521
Speaker 1: dawn rate. I hadn't seen anything like that before. So, yeah,

561
00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:34,481
Speaker 1: they came in. I was with one of my koe's

562
00:25:34,521 --> 00:25:37,121
Speaker 1: inside and two of the other boys got grabbed downstairs

563
00:25:37,561 --> 00:25:42,321
Speaker 1: and yeah they I remember they you know, straight down

564
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:44,881
Speaker 1: tas it in the back, straight on the ground. I thought,

565
00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:47,281
Speaker 1: just see boots. I could just hear them talking behind

566
00:25:47,321 --> 00:25:50,801
Speaker 1: me saying, yeah, we've got one, got too, And I

567
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: remember just being faced down when I started praying like

568
00:25:53,521 --> 00:25:56,041
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to get get bloody, you.

569
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 4: Know, but GP is not nice on the side of

570
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: the faces of boot well, they are just sitting there

571
00:26:02,241 --> 00:26:04,281
Speaker 4: pointing straight agare telling you you're you're fucked.

572
00:26:04,321 --> 00:26:07,761
Speaker 1: You've got a real bad day, buddy. I had the

573
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: knees just jump out of member of the AFP pro.

574
00:26:10,041 --> 00:26:12,681
Speaker 4: It was like nothing else on my in force controlled delivery.

575
00:26:12,921 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: I swear to this day there was no one.

576
00:26:14,761 --> 00:26:16,601
Speaker 1: There was no one. It was nighttime, it was out

577
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: west and so it was there was no one. There

578
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,681
Speaker 1: was no trees, there was nothing but lights, camera action.

579
00:26:21,801 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: Well I'm hold, I'm crazy.

580
00:26:25,481 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: Where is this happened?

581
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, bruh, Yeah, it's his level, it is it is.

582
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: And like I just I remember I had my faced.

583
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:36,961
Speaker 1: One of the main things I remember is I had

584
00:26:36,961 --> 00:26:41,041
Speaker 1: I was face down obviously, you know, cuffed up, and

585
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,561
Speaker 1: I had seen the boots around me, and I slowly

586
00:26:42,561 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to suss my surrounding, you know, you know,

587
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: I was still thinking, what's going on? Who is it?

588
00:26:46,681 --> 00:26:49,721
Speaker 1: What's happening? So I sort of slowly turned my head

589
00:26:49,761 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: to look up and I just had just had one

590
00:26:52,481 --> 00:26:55,321
Speaker 1: of the coppers just pointing barrel straight on my face

591
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,281
Speaker 1: and he goes, show your f and is your thing

592
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,121
Speaker 1: like that? Straight to me? Shut you. I just put

593
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,481
Speaker 1: my face straight back down, and I thought these books

594
00:27:04,481 --> 00:27:06,401
Speaker 1: aren't going to miss around, especially of what they're coming,

595
00:27:06,761 --> 00:27:09,161
Speaker 1: rating on what they're charging on, we're a very high

596
00:27:09,241 --> 00:27:09,801
Speaker 1: risk target.

597
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,281
Speaker 3: Arrest dell squeeze straight away.

598
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: So but anyway, as soon as homicide detectives came in,

599
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,761
Speaker 1: I don't be more happy to see police in my life.

600
00:27:17,801 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was happy, you know. I was like,

601
00:27:20,721 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: in a sense, I was relieved. I was like, you know, okay,

602
00:27:24,801 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: that that parts over, I could just start working on

603
00:27:28,721 --> 00:27:31,041
Speaker 1: the next the kernel of the world. And That's how

604
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I've always lived my life. It's always in sections. So

605
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm arrested now, but sort of come in

606
00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: that dundant.

607
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: Well you know the process too. Now you know where

608
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,521
Speaker 3: you're going. You know, you know you're not going to

609
00:27:39,561 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: get your big Mac brought to you yourself. Those times

610
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: have changed his name McDonald's, that's right. But also I

611
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,201
Speaker 3: knew I knew like at that stage back to the sea.

612
00:27:51,721 --> 00:27:55,601
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess for me, the main

613
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: thing was that when you're living, like you'd know bro yourself,

614
00:27:58,761 --> 00:28:02,281
Speaker 1: when you're living life, it's it's like that. It's it's

615
00:28:02,801 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: hyper sensitive. You know, you your your surge of je

616
00:28:05,201 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: always hyper aware, very don't sleep, You're constantly wired. So

617
00:28:09,201 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: I was like, there's always like I could relax. All right,

618
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,001
Speaker 1: I've been you know, we've been arrested for whatever the

619
00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: allegations are less saying. Obviously, you know, I knew that

620
00:28:21,001 --> 00:28:24,961
Speaker 1: I was off the whole time, but I'm not. No,

621
00:28:25,681 --> 00:28:28,321
Speaker 1: I'm not doing now my mom and colds. I'm not

622
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong, so I don't care, you know, So

623
00:28:31,761 --> 00:28:36,041
Speaker 1: I my mind. Yeah, I just felt this calm come

624
00:28:36,041 --> 00:28:39,041
Speaker 1: over me, you know, and I guess it was like, okay,

625
00:28:39,081 --> 00:28:43,401
Speaker 1: that that part I've been wired, not sleeping, hyper aware,

626
00:28:44,041 --> 00:28:49,401
Speaker 1: super vigilant. All these exhausting feelings and exhausting things that

627
00:28:49,481 --> 00:28:49,801
Speaker 1: are over.

628
00:28:50,001 --> 00:28:54,161
Speaker 3: I'm in handcuffs and I'm going to jail, so okay,

629
00:28:54,241 --> 00:28:56,081
Speaker 3: you know that's it. Now. All I need to focus

630
00:28:56,121 --> 00:28:57,921
Speaker 3: on is my case and getting out of jail. I

631
00:28:57,961 --> 00:28:58,921
Speaker 3: don't have to worry that what's.

632
00:28:58,761 --> 00:28:59,401
Speaker 1: Going on anymore.

633
00:28:59,801 --> 00:29:01,321
Speaker 4: And you know, you know, o case like that, you've

634
00:29:01,321 --> 00:29:03,321
Speaker 4: got to be on remand for the next couple of

635
00:29:03,361 --> 00:29:05,241
Speaker 4: years or at least twelve day and then months before

636
00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:06,681
Speaker 4: it get to mention, and then you're going to give

637
00:29:06,681 --> 00:29:08,401
Speaker 4: away for the brief and then there's going to be

638
00:29:08,401 --> 00:29:12,361
Speaker 4: yourcuey's and it is. It is just the most longest,

639
00:29:12,401 --> 00:29:16,841
Speaker 4: time consuming thing. It's one of those things where you

640
00:29:16,921 --> 00:29:21,081
Speaker 4: actually you do it just because you it's a weird

641
00:29:21,081 --> 00:29:26,081
Speaker 4: thing when you say that I totally relate, Like, for example,

642
00:29:26,161 --> 00:29:29,641
Speaker 4: we've gone down the controlled delivery, so it's a public knowledge,

643
00:29:29,641 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: so I'll talk about it briefly. But one year I

644
00:29:32,481 --> 00:29:35,081
Speaker 4: was off on the Friday, but I was lying down

645
00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:38,801
Speaker 4: the Sydney to the shipping container at a yard out

646
00:29:38,841 --> 00:29:42,561
Speaker 4: at West Sydney out of Camden, and I just I

647
00:29:42,601 --> 00:29:43,361
Speaker 4: went through with it.

648
00:29:44,481 --> 00:29:46,401
Speaker 3: All I said to someone up here is look after

649
00:29:46,481 --> 00:29:48,361
Speaker 3: my missus and kids. And he's like, what the fuck

650
00:29:48,441 --> 00:29:50,721
Speaker 3: is That's all I said. No one knew what my

651
00:29:50,801 --> 00:29:52,961
Speaker 3: left hand on my right hand was doing. I knew

652
00:29:53,241 --> 00:29:56,121
Speaker 3: that I was off, and then all of a sudden McCoy,

653
00:29:56,481 --> 00:29:58,401
Speaker 3: who had no idea, picked me up from the airport.

654
00:29:58,441 --> 00:29:59,401
Speaker 1: He's driving me out there.

655
00:29:59,481 --> 00:30:02,521
Speaker 3: Next minute we're heading out doors like Camden and Campbelltown

656
00:30:02,601 --> 00:30:05,721
Speaker 3: way from the city. There's an AFP car coming that way.

657
00:30:07,401 --> 00:30:10,161
Speaker 3: It doesn't belong out there. So instantly off like I'm

658
00:30:10,281 --> 00:30:14,081
Speaker 3: no one straight up there there there following their watching. Yeah,

659
00:30:14,121 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: but I still I still pretended like I it was nothing,

660
00:30:18,561 --> 00:30:19,641
Speaker 3: you know, and so I went to.

661
00:30:19,561 --> 00:30:19,921
Speaker 1: Where I am.

662
00:30:20,001 --> 00:30:22,161
Speaker 4: As soon as I cracked the shipping container, I knew

663
00:30:23,121 --> 00:30:26,201
Speaker 4: they just come out of nowhere. But it was almost

664
00:30:26,321 --> 00:30:28,681
Speaker 4: like it was the middle of winter and it was

665
00:30:29,201 --> 00:30:30,081
Speaker 4: cold out Camden.

666
00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:33,121
Speaker 1: As you know, yeah right.

667
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,961
Speaker 3: I truly relate to what you mean, like as is

668
00:30:36,041 --> 00:30:38,601
Speaker 3: intense and as full on as it is. I knew

669
00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:41,081
Speaker 3: that whole weekend. I didn't sleep at all on yours off.

670
00:30:41,121 --> 00:30:44,081
Speaker 4: At some stage I was going to jail, but someone

671
00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:46,921
Speaker 4: had to go and present themselves to shut this door.

672
00:30:47,521 --> 00:30:49,761
Speaker 3: And it just so happened that that was me. So

673
00:30:50,641 --> 00:30:52,001
Speaker 3: the only way the door that was going to get

674
00:30:52,001 --> 00:30:54,601
Speaker 3: shut was me turn up. Knowing THEMN well, I was

675
00:30:54,601 --> 00:30:56,441
Speaker 3: walking into a trap. I had to bro I had

676
00:30:56,481 --> 00:30:58,561
Speaker 3: no that was just water feels, you know.

677
00:30:58,721 --> 00:31:00,441
Speaker 1: So there you go.

678
00:31:00,521 --> 00:31:03,561
Speaker 3: You know, you're sort of sitting there and at that stage,

679
00:31:03,601 --> 00:31:06,321
Speaker 3: like my missus was pregnant, and you know, you sort

680
00:31:06,361 --> 00:31:09,561
Speaker 3: of didn't you think, Okay, I can't control anything anymore.

681
00:31:09,641 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: That's out of my hands. So you just did that

682
00:31:11,601 --> 00:31:12,401
Speaker 1: and you switch off.

683
00:31:12,441 --> 00:31:15,601
Speaker 3: That's it, and like you said, you start to actually sleep.

684
00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:19,721
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. We were in Abu planes and I'm

685
00:31:19,761 --> 00:31:22,041
Speaker 1: not joking you. Like I slept for about three days,

686
00:31:22,041 --> 00:31:23,681
Speaker 1: like up and down toilet and whatnot. But I think

687
00:31:23,721 --> 00:31:27,401
Speaker 1: I slept about three days straight just from adrenaline and anxiety.

688
00:31:27,561 --> 00:31:31,041
Speaker 3: Exactly why we just did adrenaline, the the shock, a

689
00:31:31,081 --> 00:31:32,041
Speaker 3: greeneral wear enough and.

690
00:31:32,041 --> 00:31:35,281
Speaker 1: Just being so exhausted, and just I actually just felt

691
00:31:35,921 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable right like I was just you know,

692
00:31:38,721 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: I had I had a bit of a comfort in

693
00:31:41,801 --> 00:31:45,641
Speaker 1: jels well you know what I mean. It's I don't know,

694
00:31:45,721 --> 00:31:49,241
Speaker 1: I just I just felt, you know, I just felt comfort.

695
00:31:49,521 --> 00:31:52,161
Speaker 1: I felt good at peace that that that whirld wind

696
00:31:52,281 --> 00:31:56,001
Speaker 1: was over. And you know it's it's hard li when

697
00:31:56,041 --> 00:31:58,401
Speaker 1: outside too, especially when you went around and carrying on.

698
00:31:58,441 --> 00:32:02,561
Speaker 1: It's not hard. I shouldn'tay hard, but it's it's exhausting.

699
00:32:03,001 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: It really is, and especially too for our ones. And

700
00:32:05,761 --> 00:32:08,561
Speaker 4: this is where we forget sometimes, you know, like you

701
00:32:08,881 --> 00:32:09,281
Speaker 4: and we.

702
00:32:10,841 --> 00:32:13,001
Speaker 3: Both have staunch women that have obviously done the walk

703
00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:14,921
Speaker 3: with us, you know what I mean, raised our children

704
00:32:14,961 --> 00:32:17,921
Speaker 3: and you know, turned up for visits, made sure there's

705
00:32:17,961 --> 00:32:22,321
Speaker 3: money for buyops every week telephone calls. People don't really

706
00:32:22,361 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: see that side what or think about it, especially the

707
00:32:24,481 --> 00:32:26,681
Speaker 3: younger crew that haven't done solid whacks. Any come and

708
00:32:26,761 --> 00:32:29,081
Speaker 3: doing drunk slag and anyone can do this then on

709
00:32:29,121 --> 00:32:33,441
Speaker 3: your head, but really realize that you ain't going home

710
00:32:33,561 --> 00:32:37,121
Speaker 3: and it's years ahead er, there's a lot to think about,

711
00:32:37,281 --> 00:32:42,641
Speaker 3: and unfortunately you do, so you become you know, it's

712
00:32:42,641 --> 00:32:44,721
Speaker 3: almost like a godsend and a bit of a slap

713
00:32:44,761 --> 00:32:47,601
Speaker 3: in the face, you know. It's that that moment of realization,

714
00:32:48,081 --> 00:32:50,841
Speaker 3: and you know we take it for granted, but it's

715
00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:52,721
Speaker 3: the loved ones out here that are doing it rock,

716
00:32:52,961 --> 00:32:56,241
Speaker 3: not us. Yeah, and I mean, yeah, that's exactly right,

717
00:32:56,281 --> 00:32:57,361
Speaker 3: and you know you can't help.

718
00:32:57,401 --> 00:33:00,001
Speaker 1: But in those in those moments, obviously I'm thinking about myself,

719
00:33:00,321 --> 00:33:03,001
Speaker 1: like I've been pinched. I'm saving things to myself for

720
00:33:03,201 --> 00:33:05,321
Speaker 1: I'm going to Joel, I'm doing this. I can all out.

721
00:33:05,601 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: I could attendance. But then then it kicks in. Oh kids,

722
00:33:10,721 --> 00:33:12,681
Speaker 1: you know, fuck you know, and we were all over

723
00:33:12,761 --> 00:33:14,601
Speaker 1: the news. So we as soon as we got the

724
00:33:14,641 --> 00:33:17,041
Speaker 1: similarity that every TV in the thing was just asked

725
00:33:17,121 --> 00:33:20,601
Speaker 1: everyone yeah, yeah, So I mean my missus already before

726
00:33:20,841 --> 00:33:22,961
Speaker 1: I got to speak to him, they alreadyknew, you know,

727
00:33:23,201 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: just from the news. I think my father in law

728
00:33:25,241 --> 00:33:28,161
Speaker 1: colder and said, why is your car fucking all over

729
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:31,481
Speaker 1: the news? You know, breaking news, And they would.

730
00:33:31,241 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: Have pumped it up like it was the most terrible

731
00:33:33,521 --> 00:33:35,121
Speaker 4: thing in the world. You would have been as looked at.

732
00:33:35,161 --> 00:33:38,161
Speaker 4: It's like scum, you know what I mean, sad, it's

733
00:33:38,841 --> 00:33:41,681
Speaker 4: and it is beings a similar opinion and objective, you know,

734
00:33:41,881 --> 00:33:42,401
Speaker 4: like it's just.

735
00:33:42,841 --> 00:33:46,921
Speaker 1: Yea and all that. Yeah, I spent I spent six

736
00:33:47,001 --> 00:33:52,161
Speaker 1: years on remand so yeah, yeah, that's my person remind

737
00:33:52,201 --> 00:33:54,721
Speaker 1: for six years. But due to the complexity of the matter.

738
00:33:55,561 --> 00:33:55,961
Speaker 3: Well.

739
00:33:57,401 --> 00:33:59,521
Speaker 4: And so let me let me let me just ask

740
00:33:59,561 --> 00:34:01,401
Speaker 4: you this or are you doing six years which for

741
00:34:01,441 --> 00:34:04,641
Speaker 4: those that don't understand, when you're in custody, pretty well

742
00:34:04,681 --> 00:34:07,161
Speaker 4: that's what they called time serves. So you're doing the

743
00:34:07,241 --> 00:34:10,721
Speaker 4: six year sentence more or less there and then which

744
00:34:11,001 --> 00:34:14,001
Speaker 4: can go in your favor if you're guilty or you

745
00:34:14,161 --> 00:34:18,641
Speaker 4: plead guilty. If you're found guilty, well that's a whole

746
00:34:18,681 --> 00:34:19,401
Speaker 4: different board game.

747
00:34:19,481 --> 00:34:23,121
Speaker 3: Again, six just ends up doubling again and whatever else

748
00:34:23,201 --> 00:34:23,841
Speaker 3: goes on top.

749
00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:29,281
Speaker 4: But had you pled not guilty or were you pleading

750
00:34:29,361 --> 00:34:31,601
Speaker 4: guilty at this stage? Did you know where it was

751
00:34:31,681 --> 00:34:32,641
Speaker 4: erection you were heading?

752
00:34:32,801 --> 00:34:35,441
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mean I was. I went the Supreme

753
00:34:35,481 --> 00:34:37,921
Speaker 1: Coppel about four or five times because the problem was

754
00:34:38,001 --> 00:34:40,801
Speaker 1: that every year there were Section twenty five and I

755
00:34:40,841 --> 00:34:42,361
Speaker 1: was taken us to the cop shop with more charges

756
00:34:42,401 --> 00:34:44,401
Speaker 1: for us. So every year I had more charges laid

757
00:34:44,401 --> 00:34:46,521
Speaker 1: on me. For about five years, I was getting charged

758
00:34:46,561 --> 00:34:48,961
Speaker 1: for something else. I go to court just as I'm

759
00:34:49,001 --> 00:34:50,921
Speaker 1: about to go to a committal or get an hearing

760
00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:53,521
Speaker 1: date the charge of something else. So they kept moving

761
00:34:53,561 --> 00:34:57,841
Speaker 1: the goalpost for six years. Wow. So I mean I

762
00:34:57,961 --> 00:35:00,001
Speaker 1: didn't know, like, I honestly didn't know what my future

763
00:35:00,001 --> 00:35:01,601
Speaker 1: looked like. I couldn't even plan for it because as

764
00:35:01,641 --> 00:35:03,921
Speaker 1: soon as I start looking into a bail application, after

765
00:35:04,001 --> 00:35:06,161
Speaker 1: like four years, I think I would another one. I said,

766
00:35:06,201 --> 00:35:08,001
Speaker 1: let's go for Supreme Court. And that's been four years.

767
00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:10,321
Speaker 1: They've listed our trial for twenty twenty six. That's another

768
00:35:10,361 --> 00:35:14,721
Speaker 1: two years. I said, let's some let's go for us. Sorry,

769
00:35:15,161 --> 00:35:17,881
Speaker 1: that's ano about six years by the time I said,

770
00:35:17,921 --> 00:35:19,921
Speaker 1: let's let's try and go for bail. So I'd go

771
00:35:20,041 --> 00:35:22,921
Speaker 1: for bail, and then they actually on that last time,

772
00:35:23,961 --> 00:35:26,001
Speaker 1: my lawyer came to seeing you because we're pulling the bail.

773
00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:28,481
Speaker 1: I've already been four times. I said, why it's been

774
00:35:28,761 --> 00:35:32,401
Speaker 1: for freaking you know, I think this was just about

775
00:35:32,401 --> 00:35:35,081
Speaker 1: four years. And I tried, that isn't for another two years,

776
00:35:35,721 --> 00:35:38,841
Speaker 1: because well, they've just cracked the blackberries. They set up

777
00:35:38,841 --> 00:35:41,161
Speaker 1: your blackberries over to the United States and they just

778
00:35:41,201 --> 00:35:45,601
Speaker 1: cracked them with the FBI. So that was like first

779
00:35:45,641 --> 00:35:48,601
Speaker 1: that had never happened before, you know, So I said,

780
00:35:48,601 --> 00:35:51,681
Speaker 1: you're kidding me. And years they have just gotten into

781
00:35:52,001 --> 00:35:55,721
Speaker 1: their allegend they've gotten into six blackberries and their alleging

782
00:35:56,801 --> 00:36:01,121
Speaker 1: that they've just got two of muance opened in America

783
00:36:01,201 --> 00:36:04,081
Speaker 1: at the moment, So we have to pull the bail

784
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:07,921
Speaker 1: in my baill. This a show causes, you know, show

785
00:36:08,001 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: cause you know, ive been in your mine for four years,

786
00:36:10,281 --> 00:36:12,321
Speaker 1: another two years for a trial day. That's six years

787
00:36:12,361 --> 00:36:15,561
Speaker 1: waiting for a day in your hall. That's too long. Anyway,

788
00:36:16,081 --> 00:36:19,881
Speaker 1: they sent over these intentions to shut for charges based

789
00:36:19,921 --> 00:36:21,681
Speaker 1: off what was found on these black berries, which was

790
00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:23,361
Speaker 1: going to be a whole mother court case in itself,

791
00:36:25,841 --> 00:36:28,321
Speaker 1: and I mean, yeah, they just kept the gold posts,

792
00:36:28,441 --> 00:36:30,561
Speaker 1: just kept moving. And I mean in that time, you though,

793
00:36:31,081 --> 00:36:36,281
Speaker 1: because it was a high high profile matter and spent

794
00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:38,441
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Segro and all that sort

795
00:36:38,481 --> 00:36:39,681
Speaker 1: of stuff too, you know what I mean. So it

796
00:36:39,761 --> 00:36:41,681
Speaker 1: wasn't because of my behavior. I wasn't paying up enoughing

797
00:36:41,881 --> 00:36:44,001
Speaker 1: was no, no, no, no, no, no, It's just it's.

798
00:36:45,281 --> 00:36:46,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they just don't. They don't want to let

799
00:36:47,041 --> 00:36:48,281
Speaker 3: us out here, let us out there.

800
00:36:48,401 --> 00:36:50,801
Speaker 1: There's this you can't ad that one is the wone.

801
00:36:50,881 --> 00:36:52,761
Speaker 4: Let you mix with your koe's that won't let nothing,

802
00:36:52,841 --> 00:36:55,321
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you're totally separate. And people

803
00:36:55,361 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: don't understand that that NA isn't always you're a dog

804
00:36:58,601 --> 00:37:00,761
Speaker 4: or you're no good and that is put on you

805
00:37:00,961 --> 00:37:04,481
Speaker 4: because it is something that you with so many koeis,

806
00:37:04,841 --> 00:37:05,321
Speaker 4: is a be all.

807
00:37:05,281 --> 00:37:09,201
Speaker 3: They name from each other, not by choices, but actually

808
00:37:09,281 --> 00:37:11,801
Speaker 3: the system. There's the squad would have had just that's

809
00:37:11,841 --> 00:37:14,121
Speaker 3: it never to be in the same wing yard whatever,

810
00:37:14,481 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: so naturally is stamp in then NA. Now people people

811
00:37:18,081 --> 00:37:20,521
Speaker 3: that got to start understand and this is where a

812
00:37:20,561 --> 00:37:22,801
Speaker 3: lot of people are actually end up in trouble because

813
00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:26,801
Speaker 3: of these politics. They don't get to understand the truth

814
00:37:26,921 --> 00:37:29,041
Speaker 3: behind some of this. You know, there's a different, Yeah,

815
00:37:29,401 --> 00:37:31,441
Speaker 3: big difference. I mean, that's I think for me, I

816
00:37:31,561 --> 00:37:32,121
Speaker 3: was sort of lucky.

817
00:37:32,121 --> 00:37:33,881
Speaker 1: I didn't really have to go down those question marks

818
00:37:33,921 --> 00:37:35,841
Speaker 1: because everyone knew the case and everyone we were all

819
00:37:35,881 --> 00:37:38,001
Speaker 1: in the same position. But for the average, for the

820
00:37:38,041 --> 00:37:41,761
Speaker 1: average JOE that is a young member or has an

821
00:37:42,041 --> 00:37:45,321
Speaker 1: association issue, or even people putting the nas on other people.

822
00:37:45,521 --> 00:37:48,121
Speaker 1: You know, they get stuck in people saying, you know,

823
00:37:48,161 --> 00:37:49,681
Speaker 1: if you're down there, like I'll be done in SEGA

824
00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:52,281
Speaker 1: units with the regular SEGRO boys that are always on

825
00:37:52,401 --> 00:37:54,521
Speaker 1: you know, Section ten terriers and Sega and there, and

826
00:37:54,801 --> 00:37:56,281
Speaker 1: they know who I am when I come down because

827
00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,801
Speaker 1: they know me and that so there might be someone

828
00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:00,281
Speaker 1: comes down and that's stuck calling out who are you?

829
00:38:00,361 --> 00:38:01,801
Speaker 1: What are you downing for? You know what yard were

830
00:38:01,841 --> 00:38:06,161
Speaker 1: you in? Who was there? Questioning them? But why down here? Yeah?

831
00:38:07,681 --> 00:38:10,081
Speaker 1: And that's right, you're hiding.

832
00:38:10,161 --> 00:38:13,001
Speaker 3: And that's the first thing, you know, it's that instinctual

833
00:38:13,121 --> 00:38:14,601
Speaker 3: thing that if you're not one of the boys or

834
00:38:14,641 --> 00:38:16,921
Speaker 3: you're not in the click of a crew that they

835
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:19,561
Speaker 3: know of, you're instantly got to You've got to back

836
00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:21,841
Speaker 3: yourself and prove yourself out of whatever, you know, and

837
00:38:21,921 --> 00:38:24,241
Speaker 3: they're trying to sort of say that maybe so.

838
00:38:24,561 --> 00:38:29,601
Speaker 1: You you've how long did you get or did you

839
00:38:29,681 --> 00:38:32,121
Speaker 1: get found not guilty? Or I mean so I ended

840
00:38:32,161 --> 00:38:34,641
Speaker 1: up taking a deal. Okay, so I took a deal

841
00:38:35,441 --> 00:38:38,561
Speaker 1: because my trial date was my trial was actually when

842
00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:40,921
Speaker 1: last year last year was the trial date for the

843
00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:44,801
Speaker 1: boys and a couple of boys had run some of

844
00:38:44,881 --> 00:38:48,121
Speaker 1: the trials, beaten a couple, some had plied to some

845
00:38:48,361 --> 00:38:50,321
Speaker 1: some have gone down. So where I was at, I

846
00:38:50,401 --> 00:38:52,721
Speaker 1: was in a bit of a I had a bit

847
00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:54,761
Speaker 1: of an advantage to where I was at to I

848
00:38:54,921 --> 00:38:58,121
Speaker 1: was sort of distant from a couple of the main charges,

849
00:38:58,361 --> 00:39:00,481
Speaker 1: but brought in on a couple of other main charges.

850
00:39:00,521 --> 00:39:01,641
Speaker 1: It was just it was a mess.

851
00:39:01,721 --> 00:39:04,121
Speaker 3: The whole thing was just but you weren't happening for example,

852
00:39:04,281 --> 00:39:07,121
Speaker 3: like what's from my other three cohees, you know what

853
00:39:07,161 --> 00:39:09,161
Speaker 3: I mean? Like we just had to we went to

854
00:39:09,201 --> 00:39:12,401
Speaker 3: a committal trial. Three out of four of us took

855
00:39:12,441 --> 00:39:15,161
Speaker 3: the committal trill to pursue that angle, and one didn't

856
00:39:15,281 --> 00:39:17,761
Speaker 3: by choice, which is all good. It's forever reason.

857
00:39:17,841 --> 00:39:18,681
Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing.

858
00:39:18,721 --> 00:39:21,481
Speaker 3: It's just how that particular person chose to do his

859
00:39:21,641 --> 00:39:25,321
Speaker 3: thing for you. Obviously, it was a little bit similar,

860
00:39:25,441 --> 00:39:28,521
Speaker 3: was it. You had option to not be as one

861
00:39:28,841 --> 00:39:31,761
Speaker 3: under one trial. You could in vitalize your own cases.

862
00:39:32,521 --> 00:39:33,361
Speaker 3: We had several.

863
00:39:33,161 --> 00:39:35,881
Speaker 1: Supplications going off for about four years to get separate trials,

864
00:39:35,921 --> 00:39:37,961
Speaker 1: and we had several supplications smock back, and we had

865
00:39:37,961 --> 00:39:38,801
Speaker 1: the appeals.

866
00:39:38,481 --> 00:39:41,001
Speaker 3: That the severance things. It was just so many, so

867
00:39:41,201 --> 00:39:42,721
Speaker 3: many different loopholes.

868
00:39:42,761 --> 00:39:42,881
Speaker 4: You know.

869
00:39:42,961 --> 00:39:44,721
Speaker 1: Then there were district cot matters and there were Supreme

870
00:39:44,761 --> 00:39:48,641
Speaker 1: cod matters because I had you know, I had nearly

871
00:39:48,841 --> 00:39:51,881
Speaker 1: almost every charge you could think of, minus the scumbag ones.

872
00:39:52,161 --> 00:39:52,361
Speaker 3: Yeah.

873
00:39:53,681 --> 00:39:57,361
Speaker 1: So it was because we wonder so many different jurisdictions

874
00:39:57,561 --> 00:40:03,041
Speaker 1: in courts to every matter was running individually to itself.

875
00:40:03,481 --> 00:40:05,161
Speaker 1: So I sort of got to a position role like,

876
00:40:05,201 --> 00:40:07,241
Speaker 1: all right, it's been this long. I know I'm going

877
00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:10,481
Speaker 1: to be you know, some big ones based on the evidence.

878
00:40:11,241 --> 00:40:13,281
Speaker 1: And my lawyer said, one hundred percent, you know a

879
00:40:13,401 --> 00:40:16,361
Speaker 1: Cowi's bed and that already off the same evidence. So

880
00:40:17,401 --> 00:40:20,681
Speaker 1: I said, listen, what you know. By the time, actually

881
00:40:20,721 --> 00:40:22,921
Speaker 1: one of my lawyers apposed me, I went through about

882
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:25,361
Speaker 1: three or four legal teams over the years. During that

883
00:40:25,521 --> 00:40:27,561
Speaker 1: that matter, my last one that I got sentence with.

884
00:40:27,761 --> 00:40:31,321
Speaker 1: He said, look, it's been it's been five years at

885
00:40:31,321 --> 00:40:35,361
Speaker 1: this stage. Your trials the mist for another year and

886
00:40:35,401 --> 00:40:38,921
Speaker 1: a bit. They said, hell, let's just see what we

887
00:40:38,961 --> 00:40:41,561
Speaker 1: can get. If we can offer something, get a plague,

888
00:40:41,561 --> 00:40:41,921
Speaker 1: I get.

889
00:40:41,841 --> 00:40:45,881
Speaker 4: Something wrapped up, you know, and because the crowd and

890
00:40:45,961 --> 00:40:47,481
Speaker 4: be looking to throw on the book at you'd be

891
00:40:47,521 --> 00:40:48,881
Speaker 4: looking at double spear.

892
00:40:48,921 --> 00:40:49,561
Speaker 1: It's high doubt.

893
00:40:49,921 --> 00:40:52,041
Speaker 4: By the way you're talking in the limitum raman, you're

894
00:40:52,081 --> 00:40:53,801
Speaker 4: looking at somewhere up around the twenties.

895
00:40:54,641 --> 00:40:57,241
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I thought, you know, if I if

896
00:40:57,281 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I go down all these charges, I'm starting at twenty three.

897
00:41:00,801 --> 00:41:03,401
Speaker 1: So we said, look if we can. But I know,

898
00:41:03,601 --> 00:41:06,241
Speaker 1: I know basically evidence the case. Anything I was worried

899
00:41:06,241 --> 00:41:09,041
Speaker 1: about was tild by media, you know those sort of things.

900
00:41:09,441 --> 00:41:11,201
Speaker 1: So obviously you know if I go if I want

901
00:41:11,241 --> 00:41:14,201
Speaker 1: a case with Cooey's, we want to try it with Coe's.

902
00:41:14,201 --> 00:41:16,281
Speaker 1: And we sit there and everyone knows the case, whether

903
00:41:16,321 --> 00:41:18,361
Speaker 1: they say they do it, they don't, they do It's

904
00:41:18,401 --> 00:41:20,401
Speaker 1: it's very risky. The risk is very high.

905
00:41:20,761 --> 00:41:24,201
Speaker 3: So my legal said, look, have a chat to the boys,

906
00:41:24,921 --> 00:41:26,841
Speaker 3: tell them that you're thinking about putting a thing in.

907
00:41:26,921 --> 00:41:28,561
Speaker 1: And I would always do that first. I would.

908
00:41:28,601 --> 00:41:31,321
Speaker 3: I never took any plea deal some of my other

909
00:41:31,361 --> 00:41:33,201
Speaker 3: COEs to that without the.

910
00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:36,281
Speaker 4: As sometimes you can't, but because then you implicate their

911
00:41:36,321 --> 00:41:37,841
Speaker 4: opportunity that are not guilty.

912
00:41:38,041 --> 00:41:38,441
Speaker 1: That's right.

913
00:41:38,641 --> 00:41:41,361
Speaker 4: Always Basically, by you put your hand up for something

914
00:41:42,321 --> 00:41:45,041
Speaker 4: in a connection, can then put them in a position

915
00:41:45,121 --> 00:41:47,801
Speaker 4: of guilt without their media to have an opportunity to fight,

916
00:41:48,001 --> 00:41:53,401
Speaker 4: which is not okay, listener out there, you're not given

917
00:41:53,481 --> 00:41:56,161
Speaker 4: your KOI up. It's not that you're a dog or

918
00:41:56,201 --> 00:41:58,121
Speaker 4: you're no good, but you're putting your ki in a

919
00:41:58,281 --> 00:41:59,401
Speaker 4: very vulnerable.

920
00:41:59,001 --> 00:42:01,441
Speaker 3: Position with They don't have that opportunity.

921
00:42:01,521 --> 00:42:03,041
Speaker 4: So this is this is where a lot of people

922
00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:06,161
Speaker 4: don't understand and get it wrong. They think of themselves

923
00:42:06,201 --> 00:42:07,721
Speaker 4: and they're not thinking about the bigger.

924
00:42:07,561 --> 00:42:10,081
Speaker 1: Picture, how the law works.

925
00:42:11,001 --> 00:42:13,281
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be, especially in matters where you're

926
00:42:13,281 --> 00:42:14,761
Speaker 3: talking you know, life or death.

927
00:42:15,001 --> 00:42:16,161
Speaker 1: You have to be on over it. And now I

928
00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:18,161
Speaker 1: got all this in writing, and I said to my legals,

929
00:42:18,641 --> 00:42:20,681
Speaker 1: I don't want to be made a compellable witness. I

930
00:42:20,681 --> 00:42:23,321
Speaker 1: don't want anything, you know. And once I got you know,

931
00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:25,241
Speaker 1: the law associated stuff, and they got it all in

932
00:42:25,321 --> 00:42:30,321
Speaker 1: writing and nothing none of my please because obviously you know,

933
00:42:31,041 --> 00:42:32,961
Speaker 1: unchallenged the facts too. When I took a deal and

934
00:42:33,321 --> 00:42:35,441
Speaker 1: nothing but one side was once I had in writing

935
00:42:35,521 --> 00:42:37,761
Speaker 1: that it was confirmed and nothing that I did would

936
00:42:37,801 --> 00:42:41,161
Speaker 1: affect my cooques in any way, shape or form. I said,

937
00:42:41,201 --> 00:42:44,241
Speaker 1: all right, let's start, let's start narrowing down on the steel.

938
00:42:45,401 --> 00:42:49,321
Speaker 1: Make it about me, Yeah, it's about me. Yeah, so yeah,

939
00:42:49,481 --> 00:42:50,801
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know what, and I said to

940
00:42:50,881 --> 00:42:52,481
Speaker 1: my lawyers, they go, the worst that they can do

941
00:42:52,721 --> 00:42:54,681
Speaker 1: is to call you as a compellable witness. And that's

942
00:42:54,761 --> 00:42:56,241
Speaker 1: the worst thing that they can do, because if they

943
00:42:56,281 --> 00:42:58,361
Speaker 1: put me on the stand, I would have just I

944
00:42:58,401 --> 00:42:59,641
Speaker 1: would have made a mockery. I would have made a

945
00:42:59,641 --> 00:43:02,121
Speaker 1: circus of the case that's gone as truth. I would

946
00:43:02,161 --> 00:43:04,001
Speaker 1: have I would have brought up the defamation. I would

947
00:43:04,001 --> 00:43:05,681
Speaker 1: have brought up the corruption. I would have brought up

948
00:43:05,881 --> 00:43:08,321
Speaker 1: the lines and the fabrication that we had uncovered. And

949
00:43:08,441 --> 00:43:10,041
Speaker 1: they would have had to dismissed the jury and they'll

950
00:43:10,081 --> 00:43:11,241
Speaker 1: do it over and over again, and I would have

951
00:43:11,281 --> 00:43:13,441
Speaker 1: done it over and over again too. It so the

952
00:43:13,561 --> 00:43:15,641
Speaker 1: last thing that want is me into witness box. Yep.

953
00:43:17,921 --> 00:43:21,361
Speaker 1: So you know, I had no worries that I was

954
00:43:21,441 --> 00:43:23,401
Speaker 1: never going to affect anyone by my decisions, and that's

955
00:43:23,441 --> 00:43:26,281
Speaker 1: that was my main concern. My number one concern was

956
00:43:26,321 --> 00:43:29,361
Speaker 1: that my decision would not hurt anyone else in going

957
00:43:29,401 --> 00:43:34,761
Speaker 1: through court proceedings, and once that was confirmed legally in writing, yeah,

958
00:43:34,921 --> 00:43:37,041
Speaker 1: I took a deal, and the deal wasn't even that great,

959
00:43:37,241 --> 00:43:39,681
Speaker 1: to be honest, But the wather my lawyer worded to me,

960
00:43:39,841 --> 00:43:42,881
Speaker 1: was saying, look, we can sit on Romand for eight

961
00:43:43,001 --> 00:43:46,001
Speaker 1: nine years, or we can get you out, or we

962
00:43:46,041 --> 00:43:49,961
Speaker 1: could get the out of jail. Yeah within twelve, and

963
00:43:50,081 --> 00:43:51,921
Speaker 1: he goes. You got to remember, if we get your

964
00:43:51,961 --> 00:43:54,601
Speaker 1: plea over the line in the next two years, you

965
00:43:54,681 --> 00:43:56,241
Speaker 1: could be serving the next couple of years out in

966
00:43:56,281 --> 00:43:59,081
Speaker 1: your cepasso, or you could be sitting in Remand in

967
00:43:59,161 --> 00:44:00,321
Speaker 1: sant Grocel's dancing a road.

968
00:44:00,361 --> 00:44:03,161
Speaker 3: Whell you've done seventy five fiftdays, so that's exactly right.

969
00:44:03,281 --> 00:44:06,041
Speaker 3: Your wax pretty well around the home of stretch. So

970
00:44:06,121 --> 00:44:07,721
Speaker 3: to speak to a lot of people, that'd be like,

971
00:44:07,801 --> 00:44:09,561
Speaker 3: what years, Rah, that's mad.

972
00:44:09,681 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fast, Yeah, one hundred percent. So I'm thinking,

973
00:44:13,121 --> 00:44:15,001
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in my head, I'm saying, look, if I

974
00:44:15,121 --> 00:44:18,121
Speaker 1: get anything over twelve on the bottom, I'll be I'll appeal.

975
00:44:18,201 --> 00:44:20,041
Speaker 1: If I get between ten or twelve and the bottom,

976
00:44:20,641 --> 00:44:23,481
Speaker 1: I'm sweet, that's all right because I'm still under five

977
00:44:23,561 --> 00:44:25,121
Speaker 1: to go. I'm still seeing one of least I can

978
00:44:25,161 --> 00:44:31,161
Speaker 1: go kick back on my feet up. So that was

979
00:44:31,201 --> 00:44:32,601
Speaker 1: the way we got it. How's the way.

980
00:44:32,681 --> 00:44:34,561
Speaker 3: But you've got to think when you're thinking about, like

981
00:44:34,801 --> 00:44:36,201
Speaker 3: you know, ten years was a brick.

982
00:44:36,121 --> 00:44:39,921
Speaker 4: Was a life sentence. You're talking about two life sentences. Literally,

983
00:44:40,001 --> 00:44:43,641
Speaker 4: life's life now. But you know, yeah, but I'm a

984
00:44:43,721 --> 00:44:44,681
Speaker 4: young young man.

985
00:44:44,961 --> 00:44:48,321
Speaker 3: Your whole world is outside of those walls, your future,

986
00:44:48,441 --> 00:44:52,441
Speaker 3: your your family, and you've got to make this decision

987
00:44:53,201 --> 00:44:54,721
Speaker 3: what's best for you right now?

988
00:44:55,801 --> 00:44:56,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

989
00:44:56,601 --> 00:44:57,481
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I did.

990
00:44:57,601 --> 00:44:59,121
Speaker 1: I went outside the wall and I spoke to my

991
00:44:59,201 --> 00:45:01,681
Speaker 1: family and I said, you know, I spoke to my mistress,

992
00:45:01,681 --> 00:45:02,601
Speaker 1: I spoke to my mom.

993
00:45:03,201 --> 00:45:05,841
Speaker 3: I spoke to my coe's families too, and you know,

994
00:45:06,841 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: they all said, take the deal.

995
00:45:08,601 --> 00:45:10,801
Speaker 1: Don't run the risk. If you can get twelve years,

996
00:45:11,161 --> 00:45:14,761
Speaker 1: eleven years, ten years, don't, don't run the risk. It's

997
00:45:14,841 --> 00:45:17,601
Speaker 1: not worth it. You've done half that already. You've done

998
00:45:17,681 --> 00:45:20,561
Speaker 1: six years. Now, why you're gonna Why are you going

999
00:45:20,601 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: to risk like you've done six years?

1000
00:45:23,481 --> 00:45:23,801
Speaker 3: Do ten?

1001
00:45:24,241 --> 00:45:25,761
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And what's another four?

1002
00:45:25,921 --> 00:45:26,041
Speaker 5: Done?

1003
00:45:26,121 --> 00:45:28,721
Speaker 1: Six? It's another four for another twenty.

1004
00:45:29,401 --> 00:45:31,761
Speaker 3: Yeah, So and then straight back to an A one

1005
00:45:32,281 --> 00:45:33,601
Speaker 3: and then you're straight back into it.

1006
00:45:33,761 --> 00:45:37,481
Speaker 1: Nah, that's it. And then and then you know, not

1007
00:45:37,681 --> 00:45:40,761
Speaker 1: just that, like the other thing was the complexity of

1008
00:45:40,921 --> 00:45:43,841
Speaker 1: the matter with me, and I'm actually this is a

1009
00:45:43,881 --> 00:45:45,481
Speaker 1: current topics, so I can't talk too much of at

1010
00:45:45,521 --> 00:45:49,601
Speaker 1: the moment, but now you're there was there were things

1011
00:45:49,681 --> 00:45:53,041
Speaker 1: that I actually didn't do that I had to play

1012
00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:56,081
Speaker 1: guilty to because that was the only deal that given. Yep,

1013
00:45:56,961 --> 00:45:59,561
Speaker 1: i'd so you understand that I didn't want to play guilty.

1014
00:45:59,601 --> 00:46:01,121
Speaker 1: And I said to my boys, I said, I didn't

1015
00:46:01,161 --> 00:46:03,641
Speaker 1: do this. I didn't in my heart of hearts, I

1016
00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:07,241
Speaker 1: did not do this. And my low said to me, look, sometimes,

1017
00:46:07,961 --> 00:46:10,041
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you've got to take the good of

1018
00:46:10,121 --> 00:46:14,161
Speaker 1: the bad. He's still it's the law. Do you take

1019
00:46:14,201 --> 00:46:16,761
Speaker 1: that with the bag? Come on, you know, And this

1020
00:46:16,921 --> 00:46:19,281
Speaker 1: is the thing that people just don't understand, and this

1021
00:46:19,441 --> 00:46:22,001
Speaker 1: is honestly that this is the truth. So you know,

1022
00:46:22,081 --> 00:46:24,361
Speaker 1: I literally pled to something that I actually did not do.

1023
00:46:24,561 --> 00:46:27,201
Speaker 1: I had I did not do one of my charges.

1024
00:46:27,241 --> 00:46:28,801
Speaker 1: I went down on a few charges, but one of

1025
00:46:28,841 --> 00:46:32,801
Speaker 1: them I did not do. So I had to, you know,

1026
00:46:33,081 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: take it, take a deal on it. To get the deal,

1027
00:46:35,121 --> 00:46:38,201
Speaker 1: I had to put my hand up and I said,

1028
00:46:38,281 --> 00:46:39,801
Speaker 1: and I had it all invited, and I said, look,

1029
00:46:39,841 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: this is a deal of convenience, it's not a deal

1030
00:46:41,481 --> 00:46:41,801
Speaker 1: of kilt.

1031
00:46:41,921 --> 00:46:44,401
Speaker 3: I'm not taking this Plague deal because I'm guilty.

1032
00:46:44,441 --> 00:46:46,321
Speaker 1: I'm taking it because it's convenient for my situation, for

1033
00:46:46,401 --> 00:46:50,161
Speaker 1: my circumsciences, which they weren't happy with because it sort

1034
00:46:50,201 --> 00:46:53,081
Speaker 1: of didn't make me look like I had much. Ah

1035
00:46:54,561 --> 00:46:57,401
Speaker 1: what's the word contrition? I guess, you know, But I

1036
00:46:57,481 --> 00:46:59,681
Speaker 1: said my thing else to put my hand that it's

1037
00:46:59,721 --> 00:47:01,721
Speaker 1: not about whether I I'm sorry for what I did

1038
00:47:01,841 --> 00:47:03,241
Speaker 1: or if I'm not sorry or this or that is.

1039
00:47:03,521 --> 00:47:07,281
Speaker 1: You guys are playing by this rule of convenience. So

1040
00:47:07,481 --> 00:47:09,681
Speaker 1: you know I paid by a rule of convenience. Yeah,

1041
00:47:09,841 --> 00:47:12,321
Speaker 1: so I ended up taking a deal I got. I

1042
00:47:12,401 --> 00:47:17,081
Speaker 1: actually got sentenced to had a seven year nondbury, which

1043
00:47:17,121 --> 00:47:18,881
Speaker 1: is actually crazy. I couldn't viave.

1044
00:47:19,201 --> 00:47:21,921
Speaker 3: I'd say that again, brother, you go what Yeah, seven

1045
00:47:22,001 --> 00:47:26,201
Speaker 3: years on parole on the bottom, so you.

1046
00:47:26,201 --> 00:47:29,361
Speaker 1: As got a year to go I technically yeah, but

1047
00:47:29,481 --> 00:47:31,361
Speaker 1: because I was on parole, they didn't backdate me an

1048
00:47:31,521 --> 00:47:33,401
Speaker 1: my parole So you were doing Bob as well?

1049
00:47:34,001 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was doing my bop too, so they added

1050
00:47:35,561 --> 00:47:36,081
Speaker 3: run in the top.

1051
00:47:36,201 --> 00:47:38,201
Speaker 1: So and they knew that when they sentenced me, they

1052
00:47:38,241 --> 00:47:40,001
Speaker 1: wanted to me to serve a figure and that's you know,

1053
00:47:40,121 --> 00:47:43,681
Speaker 1: which was fine, Like I said, anything under under talk,

1054
00:47:43,721 --> 00:47:45,641
Speaker 1: I would have been a bit spuweled with the because

1055
00:47:45,641 --> 00:47:47,321
Speaker 1: I took a deal to something I didn't do for

1056
00:47:47,401 --> 00:47:50,001
Speaker 1: one of my childes too. But anything under under ten,

1057
00:47:50,121 --> 00:47:53,041
Speaker 1: I said, you know, science still to live it on

1058
00:47:53,121 --> 00:47:53,681
Speaker 1: walk away now.

1059
00:47:53,801 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: So once I heard that it was I was serving

1060
00:47:56,081 --> 00:48:00,601
Speaker 3: under ten, I couldn't stop smiling, to be honest, And

1061
00:48:00,721 --> 00:48:02,281
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to say. This says

1062
00:48:02,321 --> 00:48:07,201
Speaker 3: in a smarter ass way, but it's it's one of

1063
00:48:07,241 --> 00:48:09,961
Speaker 3: those things that you can only understand or explain if

1064
00:48:09,961 --> 00:48:12,881
Speaker 3: you've gone through. I remember being at the Downing Center

1065
00:48:13,041 --> 00:48:16,001
Speaker 3: getting sentenced, and I started my my missus in the back.

1066
00:48:16,281 --> 00:48:19,321
Speaker 3: She was out here, and all of a sudden, the

1067
00:48:19,401 --> 00:48:22,161
Speaker 3: judge starts me at ten. And that was the first number,

1068
00:48:22,201 --> 00:48:23,681
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And I knew there was

1069
00:48:23,721 --> 00:48:26,001
Speaker 3: coming down, coming down, you know. That was that was

1070
00:48:26,041 --> 00:48:28,361
Speaker 3: a head you know what I mean, if anything, And

1071
00:48:28,761 --> 00:48:30,481
Speaker 3: then all of our here in the back I was

1072
00:48:31,441 --> 00:48:33,041
Speaker 3: and I had to turn from the dock and go

1073
00:48:33,441 --> 00:48:36,281
Speaker 3: they you know, like it's all wall, it's all good,

1074
00:48:36,961 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: and like it's not all good?

1075
00:48:39,641 --> 00:48:40,801
Speaker 1: Right? Is that years?

1076
00:48:40,841 --> 00:48:41,881
Speaker 3: Six years and sixties?

1077
00:48:41,921 --> 00:48:44,121
Speaker 1: Ten years is ten years. It's a fucking long time.

1078
00:48:44,561 --> 00:48:47,041
Speaker 1: There's nothing good about it at all. But in that

1079
00:48:48,321 --> 00:48:51,961
Speaker 1: I was like, it's mad, mad mad. Next minute, I'm

1080
00:48:51,961 --> 00:48:52,281
Speaker 1: looking at it.

1081
00:48:52,321 --> 00:48:56,161
Speaker 3: A six and I'm like, you know, like I'm actually

1082
00:48:56,281 --> 00:48:59,761
Speaker 3: feeling good that I just caught that whack. And then

1083
00:49:00,121 --> 00:49:04,681
Speaker 3: you know, I'm like, but you can't explain that because

1084
00:49:04,721 --> 00:49:06,801
Speaker 3: it's something that you want to talk or glory for

1085
00:49:07,001 --> 00:49:08,801
Speaker 3: or speak of in a positive way, because there's nothing

1086
00:49:08,881 --> 00:49:13,441
Speaker 3: positive about it. What at that moment it is it is, uh,

1087
00:49:14,321 --> 00:49:16,561
Speaker 3: it's a relief. And then you can't help but go

1088
00:49:16,841 --> 00:49:20,081
Speaker 3: thank you. But when the alternative was twenty five, twenty

1089
00:49:20,121 --> 00:49:23,161
Speaker 3: six years a hundred, you know, it's it's.

1090
00:49:24,521 --> 00:49:25,201
Speaker 5: Some hundred.

1091
00:49:26,681 --> 00:49:30,401
Speaker 1: I knew from them. You know, my lawyers, they they

1092
00:49:30,441 --> 00:49:33,401
Speaker 1: were actually they were obviously very happy with them as well.

1093
00:49:33,481 --> 00:49:37,161
Speaker 1: But yeah, they I mean, mind you, mind you I

1094
00:49:37,241 --> 00:49:40,001
Speaker 1: have like you, I prove the record. What are these

1095
00:49:40,121 --> 00:49:42,241
Speaker 1: charges that I got that time for I didn't even do?

1096
00:49:42,641 --> 00:49:44,121
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm certainly.

1097
00:49:43,841 --> 00:49:45,601
Speaker 3: Time for something I literally didn't do in this. In

1098
00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:48,561
Speaker 3: this you know, I actually did not do one of

1099
00:49:48,641 --> 00:49:49,881
Speaker 3: the changes that I had to.

1100
00:49:50,081 --> 00:49:54,601
Speaker 1: So, you know, he said, he's got to say, I

1101
00:49:54,681 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: assure you can go back to the wing with these charges,

1102
00:49:56,601 --> 00:49:58,401
Speaker 1: said that was going to think you're no good, you know,

1103
00:49:58,721 --> 00:50:01,921
Speaker 1: with this time he's laughing, So I said, I could

1104
00:50:02,001 --> 00:50:04,801
Speaker 1: I kicked such a goal that he's making a joke,

1105
00:50:04,841 --> 00:50:07,521
Speaker 1: you know, saying people got to think about you to

1106
00:50:07,561 --> 00:50:11,041
Speaker 1: get these others. Yeah low, they're too low. Yeah, yeah,

1107
00:50:11,041 --> 00:50:13,521
Speaker 1: they're too low. But yeah, you know, I mean that's

1108
00:50:13,641 --> 00:50:16,801
Speaker 1: that's you know that the way we we went back

1109
00:50:16,801 --> 00:50:18,681
Speaker 1: and forth with facts, and we went back and forth

1110
00:50:18,761 --> 00:50:21,961
Speaker 1: for a long time, getting it as my role as

1111
00:50:22,041 --> 00:50:24,801
Speaker 1: low as possible as you know, which is why I

1112
00:50:25,281 --> 00:50:27,201
Speaker 1: laugh when they call it the justice system, because it's

1113
00:50:27,241 --> 00:50:27,681
Speaker 1: just a game.

1114
00:50:27,841 --> 00:50:29,961
Speaker 3: You know, it's all a game, as you know, I'm

1115
00:50:30,041 --> 00:50:33,601
Speaker 3: just gone through it, brother, and it's all politically motivated

1116
00:50:33,681 --> 00:50:36,001
Speaker 3: and drian for a purpose, and the purpose is to

1117
00:50:36,081 --> 00:50:39,561
Speaker 3: break you and have you your your relationships broken and

1118
00:50:39,721 --> 00:50:43,321
Speaker 3: destroy everything they can get money you you yeah, one

1119
00:50:43,401 --> 00:50:47,841
Speaker 3: hundred percent, Like I doesn't even want to start all. Yeah,

1120
00:50:48,121 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: I'll be doing an episode on my last five years

1121
00:50:51,481 --> 00:50:54,281
Speaker 3: shortly because it can be some of it can be discussed,

1122
00:50:54,321 --> 00:50:58,361
Speaker 3: but you know, like it's is a tough road to

1123
00:50:59,041 --> 00:51:00,961
Speaker 3: every day wake up to it and then know that

1124
00:51:01,161 --> 00:51:03,961
Speaker 3: you know, you just keep going backwards and this notice

1125
00:51:04,001 --> 00:51:05,561
Speaker 3: thing you can do about it, but hang in there

1126
00:51:05,681 --> 00:51:08,881
Speaker 3: and just keep keep faith and know that you're not guilty,

1127
00:51:09,041 --> 00:51:11,041
Speaker 3: and fight it to the end, because if you don't,

1128
00:51:11,121 --> 00:51:13,761
Speaker 3: and I explain this to someone the other week, there

1129
00:51:13,841 --> 00:51:15,521
Speaker 3: is a lot of men and women in jail that

1130
00:51:15,681 --> 00:51:18,321
Speaker 3: just get halfway through things. It becomes too expensive. They

1131
00:51:18,361 --> 00:51:21,681
Speaker 3: can't get assistance. They're they're not guilty, but they go,

1132
00:51:22,041 --> 00:51:24,081
Speaker 3: you know what, fuck it, I'm going to go do

1133
00:51:24,161 --> 00:51:25,921
Speaker 3: the time. I'll get a couple of years, I'll be out.

1134
00:51:25,921 --> 00:51:27,881
Speaker 1: It's all over. It's behind me. I don't have to

1135
00:51:27,921 --> 00:51:29,521
Speaker 1: worry about any more money, this and that.

1136
00:51:29,841 --> 00:51:34,561
Speaker 4: Like and it's like I I've never been that person

1137
00:51:34,761 --> 00:51:37,201
Speaker 4: to plead not guilty to something. If I'm pinched, I'm pinched,

1138
00:51:37,281 --> 00:51:39,641
Speaker 4: all right, Let's just deal with it. Lock me out,

1139
00:51:39,681 --> 00:51:41,921
Speaker 4: whatever I kick on with it, get through it, get out,

1140
00:51:42,321 --> 00:51:42,921
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1141
00:51:43,961 --> 00:51:46,441
Speaker 3: But you know, when you're not guilty, and you know

1142
00:51:46,641 --> 00:51:48,921
Speaker 3: in your heart you're being pushed into a corner for

1143
00:51:49,081 --> 00:51:52,121
Speaker 3: other reasons and purposes, you've got to stand your ground, burrow,

1144
00:51:52,121 --> 00:51:53,881
Speaker 3: and you've got to You've got to make sure you

1145
00:51:54,001 --> 00:51:56,841
Speaker 3: hold You've got to hold yourself accountable and be strong,

1146
00:51:57,321 --> 00:52:00,281
Speaker 3: for you have family and everyone else. You know, I

1147
00:52:00,401 --> 00:52:02,801
Speaker 3: want to I want to jump straight into to the

1148
00:52:02,921 --> 00:52:04,721
Speaker 3: now because it's starting to get a little bit late

1149
00:52:04,801 --> 00:52:06,641
Speaker 3: for you, and I thank you very much. I know

1150
00:52:06,761 --> 00:52:09,041
Speaker 3: our time difference is there. You're a family man.

1151
00:52:09,441 --> 00:52:12,521
Speaker 4: But I want to talk about and to all the listeners,

1152
00:52:12,561 --> 00:52:15,081
Speaker 4: thank you for taking the time to be patient with this,

1153
00:52:15,281 --> 00:52:19,561
Speaker 4: because it is a very interesting story, this one, and

1154
00:52:20,641 --> 00:52:22,961
Speaker 4: as you can probably tell, there's a lot more behind

1155
00:52:23,001 --> 00:52:25,881
Speaker 4: it from Prince's point of view. Out of respect for

1156
00:52:26,001 --> 00:52:30,201
Speaker 4: him and you know, the current situations and Coe's, we're

1157
00:52:30,201 --> 00:52:32,721
Speaker 4: not going to go into any further, and I want

1158
00:52:32,761 --> 00:52:36,001
Speaker 4: to talk about the positive things that Prince is doing now.

1159
00:52:36,081 --> 00:52:37,921
Speaker 1: And you've been blessed.

1160
00:52:37,961 --> 00:52:40,001
Speaker 3: Honestly, God is on your side and God is good,

1161
00:52:40,081 --> 00:52:42,721
Speaker 3: because brother, let's talk about it.

1162
00:52:42,801 --> 00:52:44,561
Speaker 1: You've come out, You've come into a world. Now.

1163
00:52:44,641 --> 00:52:47,961
Speaker 4: Let's remember guys that Prince is not someone that's been

1164
00:52:48,001 --> 00:52:51,601
Speaker 4: around technology a lot. You know, he's been locked up

1165
00:52:51,721 --> 00:52:56,201
Speaker 4: for what in total was it's fifteen yeah, right, so

1166
00:52:56,401 --> 00:52:59,361
Speaker 4: fifteen years. So much had changed. I remember when I

1167
00:52:59,481 --> 00:53:01,761
Speaker 4: was sitting in Sego and they come on to the

1168
00:53:01,881 --> 00:53:04,481
Speaker 4: Sunrise TV show and it was the new Apple iPhone.

1169
00:53:05,081 --> 00:53:06,961
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is this because the only ones we

1170
00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:11,361
Speaker 4: were using with ah, what are they? Just you typed

1171
00:53:11,401 --> 00:53:14,281
Speaker 4: on them, you said, up before they started with big

1172
00:53:14,481 --> 00:53:16,641
Speaker 4: BlackBerry blackberries blackberries?

1173
00:53:16,681 --> 00:53:18,521
Speaker 3: Where a gay you know what I mean? Or the

1174
00:53:18,601 --> 00:53:23,001
Speaker 3: old the old frog away, Yeah, you know what I mean.

1175
00:53:23,121 --> 00:53:26,521
Speaker 3: So things have changed massively now here you are. You've

1176
00:53:26,561 --> 00:53:30,401
Speaker 3: come out and you've you've definitely turned your life. That's

1177
00:53:30,481 --> 00:53:31,281
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

1178
00:53:31,361 --> 00:53:33,521
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that because it's something that

1179
00:53:33,641 --> 00:53:35,961
Speaker 4: you feel that you know, we need to look, you

1180
00:53:36,001 --> 00:53:38,561
Speaker 4: wouldn't be sitting here now having this conversation because it's

1181
00:53:38,641 --> 00:53:41,121
Speaker 4: not it's just not you know, a part of that

1182
00:53:41,321 --> 00:53:44,041
Speaker 4: life to talk about what we're talking about as such

1183
00:53:44,361 --> 00:53:48,921
Speaker 4: with respect. But you're talking, and we are talking and

1184
00:53:49,041 --> 00:53:51,801
Speaker 4: doing what we're doing in aid of helping others to

1185
00:53:51,921 --> 00:53:53,721
Speaker 4: not go down the roads and the paths and make

1186
00:53:53,801 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: the choices that we make because there is a better way.

1187
00:53:56,641 --> 00:54:01,681
Speaker 4: And you've created a platform and I'll let you talk

1188
00:54:01,721 --> 00:54:04,401
Speaker 4: about it because there's so many little octopus arms on

1189
00:54:04,481 --> 00:54:07,961
Speaker 4: your little your little I can't I'm trying to keep.

1190
00:54:07,841 --> 00:54:11,081
Speaker 1: Up with it all, but I'll let you talk about it. Yeah, Well,

1191
00:54:11,121 --> 00:54:13,561
Speaker 1: I mean just just on just off the back of

1192
00:54:13,641 --> 00:54:16,081
Speaker 1: what you were saying, Well, I can and can't say,

1193
00:54:16,241 --> 00:54:19,161
Speaker 1: just due to your regalities at the moment, but there

1194
00:54:19,281 --> 00:54:21,521
Speaker 1: is I am going to start. We are on the

1195
00:54:21,561 --> 00:54:23,521
Speaker 1: process of being able to have a few things that

1196
00:54:23,601 --> 00:54:26,161
Speaker 1: my story will be getting up there shortly in the

1197
00:54:26,201 --> 00:54:28,721
Speaker 1: near future with more detailers and some of the things,

1198
00:54:28,761 --> 00:54:30,321
Speaker 1: and you'll be one of the first people that I

1199
00:54:30,721 --> 00:54:31,521
Speaker 1: know anyway when.

1200
00:54:31,841 --> 00:54:34,281
Speaker 4: Thank you, but I appreciate that after that, and the

1201
00:54:34,361 --> 00:54:36,241
Speaker 4: door is open too, we can always go in for

1202
00:54:36,321 --> 00:54:38,281
Speaker 4: a part two. And I think that this will be

1203
00:54:38,321 --> 00:54:40,921
Speaker 4: a lot of people very curious about that, so thank

1204
00:54:40,961 --> 00:54:42,401
Speaker 4: you for honoring that.

1205
00:54:43,161 --> 00:54:46,361
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm definitely but yeah, it is coming.

1206
00:54:46,361 --> 00:54:48,161
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it is lucky you're saying in

1207
00:54:48,241 --> 00:54:49,961
Speaker 1: this text point it's so neat to me. But I've

1208
00:54:50,001 --> 00:54:52,041
Speaker 1: been on on one for that's six months now, so

1209
00:54:52,721 --> 00:54:54,721
Speaker 1: it's just what the fun most part is.

1210
00:54:55,161 --> 00:54:57,681
Speaker 3: You even said clearly to someone the other day, someone

1211
00:54:57,721 --> 00:54:59,161
Speaker 3: reached the out there said, oh, who do you pay

1212
00:54:59,241 --> 00:54:59,641
Speaker 3: to film this?

1213
00:54:59,801 --> 00:55:00,121
Speaker 1: Didn't you?

1214
00:55:00,521 --> 00:55:00,921
Speaker 3: You do it?

1215
00:55:01,041 --> 00:55:01,601
Speaker 1: Or yourself?

1216
00:55:02,001 --> 00:55:05,481
Speaker 6: So going onselves, well, look, this is where you know

1217
00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:08,401
Speaker 6: to work out who you were as a man, your morals,

1218
00:55:08,481 --> 00:55:11,841
Speaker 6: your standings, your mindset, go back to our beginning of

1219
00:55:11,881 --> 00:55:12,641
Speaker 6: our conversation.

1220
00:55:13,321 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: You're not any different to the person you were then

1221
00:55:16,961 --> 00:55:21,041
Speaker 3: you made That's exactly right. You made choices that changed

1222
00:55:21,081 --> 00:55:25,321
Speaker 3: your life. But here mentally, you're still the same highly

1223
00:55:25,401 --> 00:55:29,481
Speaker 3: intellectual human that will put in one hundred percent and

1224
00:55:29,641 --> 00:55:32,681
Speaker 3: what you're given now is one hundred and fifty percent.

1225
00:55:32,801 --> 00:55:35,321
Speaker 3: And you've had to be self taught. You're back in

1226
00:55:35,361 --> 00:55:37,321
Speaker 3: yourself and you're given people hope.

1227
00:55:37,361 --> 00:55:40,281
Speaker 1: Brother, that's it. I mean, look, you said it perfectly,

1228
00:55:40,321 --> 00:55:44,281
Speaker 1: and it's exactly what I say to people. I haven't changed,

1229
00:55:44,681 --> 00:55:46,641
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't changed me at all. I still

1230
00:55:46,681 --> 00:55:48,921
Speaker 1: pay by the rules. I don't talk out of school.

1231
00:55:49,321 --> 00:55:51,521
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still I still have the same values

1232
00:55:51,521 --> 00:55:54,121
Speaker 1: and morals that I've had growing up. I just make

1233
00:55:54,201 --> 00:55:57,681
Speaker 1: different decisions now. I make different choices because I've over

1234
00:55:57,721 --> 00:56:01,681
Speaker 1: the years, I've matured. I've seen you know, I just

1235
00:56:01,801 --> 00:56:04,641
Speaker 1: I've been I've been introduced to the world by some

1236
00:56:04,761 --> 00:56:07,281
Speaker 1: good people that have come into my life, and they've

1237
00:56:07,361 --> 00:56:10,041
Speaker 1: said to lead the you know, I know that there's more.

1238
00:56:11,001 --> 00:56:13,041
Speaker 1: I go back to the same thing. At the end

1239
00:56:13,041 --> 00:56:14,681
Speaker 1: of the day. It's all that means to an end.

1240
00:56:14,801 --> 00:56:16,281
Speaker 1: All I want to do is build an empire for

1241
00:56:16,361 --> 00:56:19,241
Speaker 1: my family. That's all I want to do. Now I've

1242
00:56:19,281 --> 00:56:24,521
Speaker 1: become more you know, I've become what's more bid, My

1243
00:56:25,121 --> 00:56:27,561
Speaker 1: my eyes have opened up to what's actually possible in

1244
00:56:27,681 --> 00:56:30,321
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, what what I can do, And

1245
00:56:30,881 --> 00:56:33,801
Speaker 1: it's more about leaving a legacy now rather than building

1246
00:56:33,881 --> 00:56:37,481
Speaker 1: this this realistic empire. You know, the legacy that that

1247
00:56:37,801 --> 00:56:40,161
Speaker 1: I want to leave is bigger than the empire only,

1248
00:56:40,441 --> 00:56:40,761
Speaker 1: I guess.

1249
00:56:40,841 --> 00:56:46,041
Speaker 3: So with that, you know, they're less. Let's let's be real.

1250
00:56:46,121 --> 00:56:48,481
Speaker 3: It's no, they've got to pay the bills.

1251
00:56:48,641 --> 00:56:53,041
Speaker 1: So, yep, I'm now my eyes have gone into business.

1252
00:56:53,081 --> 00:56:57,081
Speaker 1: They've gone into ways where I can monetize different things.

1253
00:56:57,361 --> 00:57:01,761
Speaker 1: But it's just there's no life in crime anymore as

1254
00:57:01,801 --> 00:57:05,361
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. It's it's the cops that too smart,

1255
00:57:05,521 --> 00:57:08,601
Speaker 1: too tire evented. Yep, I say the same thing. You're

1256
00:57:08,601 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: an idiot, and if you think you're going to out smart, look,

1257
00:57:11,681 --> 00:57:15,161
Speaker 1: let's just so we can get off the criminality side

1258
00:57:15,161 --> 00:57:18,041
Speaker 1: of this, because it is something that is our past,

1259
00:57:18,081 --> 00:57:19,161
Speaker 1: but it must be spoken of.

1260
00:57:20,161 --> 00:57:23,761
Speaker 4: I strongly believe they never had the money to be

1261
00:57:23,841 --> 00:57:25,361
Speaker 4: able to do the things that they have the money

1262
00:57:25,441 --> 00:57:27,761
Speaker 4: for to do today. The amount of money they've impounded,

1263
00:57:28,081 --> 00:57:32,041
Speaker 4: the multi multi billions, not millions, billions of dollars cash

1264
00:57:32,201 --> 00:57:34,601
Speaker 4: and they're still full. And you know it just it's

1265
00:57:34,641 --> 00:57:37,881
Speaker 4: reinvested into fight and crime. You're silly if you think

1266
00:57:37,921 --> 00:57:40,521
Speaker 4: you're going to outsmart them at the levels that they've got,

1267
00:57:40,601 --> 00:57:41,601
Speaker 4: the networks that got.

1268
00:57:42,001 --> 00:57:43,841
Speaker 1: It's not possible to beat the system.

1269
00:57:44,201 --> 00:57:47,801
Speaker 4: And I remember, I remember, actually years and years and

1270
00:57:47,881 --> 00:57:50,201
Speaker 4: years ago, walking up and down the yard and an

1271
00:57:50,241 --> 00:57:52,561
Speaker 4: old head said to me, goes, Bro, you've got to

1272
00:57:52,601 --> 00:57:54,801
Speaker 4: learn to kick along with shit, he goes, because you

1273
00:57:54,881 --> 00:57:57,721
Speaker 4: will not beat the system. The system will always beat you.

1274
00:57:58,121 --> 00:58:01,641
Speaker 4: But you can play the system to your advantage or

1275
00:58:01,681 --> 00:58:03,681
Speaker 4: the system will absolutely and I won't.

1276
00:58:04,201 --> 00:58:05,401
Speaker 1: We'll f you know what I mean.

1277
00:58:05,681 --> 00:58:08,961
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know yourself, like back in the day,

1278
00:58:09,321 --> 00:58:14,161
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, screws this that you can't have

1279
00:58:14,281 --> 00:58:17,521
Speaker 3: that attitude, you can't have that mindset. It gets you nowhere.

1280
00:58:17,841 --> 00:58:20,241
Speaker 3: You know, you've got to start to realize. And you said,

1281
00:58:20,441 --> 00:58:24,401
Speaker 3: just a minute ago, you've matured. You now have realized

1282
00:58:24,441 --> 00:58:27,401
Speaker 3: the value of life. And I feel that that's the truth,

1283
00:58:27,561 --> 00:58:32,721
Speaker 3: you know, because looking at you, talking with you, I

1284
00:58:32,881 --> 00:58:35,201
Speaker 3: know more about that I'm speaking of in reference to

1285
00:58:35,281 --> 00:58:40,281
Speaker 3: what we're talking about. That man, Brah, that's you know,

1286
00:58:40,481 --> 00:58:43,041
Speaker 3: mug you know, I mean, you're you're you're a very strong,

1287
00:58:43,281 --> 00:58:44,561
Speaker 3: hectic man when need to be.

1288
00:58:44,881 --> 00:58:47,601
Speaker 4: Now I say that in praise because now you've put

1289
00:58:47,641 --> 00:58:49,801
Speaker 4: that to good use and you are a very strong

1290
00:58:49,961 --> 00:58:53,481
Speaker 4: leader right now that is doing some wonderful things with

1291
00:58:53,961 --> 00:58:57,201
Speaker 4: you know, the young people of today and just I

1292
00:58:57,281 --> 00:58:57,841
Speaker 4: think it's.

1293
00:58:59,441 --> 00:59:03,121
Speaker 1: To walk the path you've walked. Yeah, at your age,

1294
00:59:03,641 --> 00:59:03,841
Speaker 1: you have.

1295
00:59:04,841 --> 00:59:07,641
Speaker 4: My respect for you is so far up here because

1296
00:59:08,881 --> 00:59:11,161
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen like you said. You know, it doesn't

1297
00:59:11,201 --> 00:59:12,681
Speaker 4: happen people like you.

1298
00:59:13,121 --> 00:59:13,441
Speaker 1: We don't.

1299
00:59:13,601 --> 00:59:16,721
Speaker 3: It's not it's not meant to be this way. Yeah,

1300
00:59:17,321 --> 00:59:19,281
Speaker 3: you're winning, you're winning. Yeah.

1301
00:59:19,921 --> 00:59:22,041
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I mean, look, it's it's for me to

1302
00:59:22,121 --> 00:59:24,721
Speaker 1: matter adapting like you move with the times that you

1303
00:59:24,761 --> 00:59:28,121
Speaker 1: get left behind. And if for me, if my main concern,

1304
00:59:28,641 --> 00:59:31,201
Speaker 1: my main goal is to provide, to be a provider

1305
00:59:31,321 --> 00:59:33,881
Speaker 1: for my family. If you're going to tell me that, hey,

1306
00:59:33,961 --> 00:59:36,441
Speaker 1: how about I tell you you can make X amount

1307
00:59:36,441 --> 00:59:38,921
Speaker 1: of money and you can sleep at mine and you

1308
00:59:39,001 --> 00:59:41,281
Speaker 1: don't have to look over your shoulder. But you don't

1309
00:59:41,321 --> 00:59:44,041
Speaker 1: have to tell on people. You don't have to, you know, ach.

1310
00:59:44,081 --> 00:59:45,481
Speaker 1: You don't have to talk out of school? Would you

1311
00:59:45,521 --> 00:59:47,521
Speaker 1: take it? Of course you're going to take it. Was that,

1312
00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:51,041
Speaker 1: and That's what I'm doing. I'm not changing, I still,

1313
00:59:51,201 --> 00:59:54,201
Speaker 1: I'm still me. I just know now that if one

1314
00:59:54,321 --> 00:59:57,321
Speaker 1: shift my you know, shift my thinking, my mindset, shift

1315
00:59:57,401 --> 01:00:01,481
Speaker 1: my energy, my time into something that's sustainable. Why am

1316
01:00:01,481 --> 01:00:02,161
Speaker 1: I not going to do it?

1317
01:00:02,401 --> 01:00:02,561
Speaker 3: You know?

1318
01:00:02,601 --> 01:00:05,841
Speaker 1: I put so much time, effort, blunts into things that

1319
01:00:06,281 --> 01:00:08,801
Speaker 1: I'm not sustainable to build a future. You're telling me

1320
01:00:08,881 --> 01:00:10,761
Speaker 1: I can do the same thing and have a sustainable future.

1321
01:00:11,321 --> 01:00:11,881
Speaker 1: Should not do it?

1322
01:00:12,321 --> 01:00:15,041
Speaker 4: It's that SI, and we can become the best at

1323
01:00:15,081 --> 01:00:17,041
Speaker 4: it because we know we're being the best at what

1324
01:00:17,161 --> 01:00:19,001
Speaker 4: we had to do before, which is ten times harder

1325
01:00:19,121 --> 01:00:19,321
Speaker 4: to do.

1326
01:00:20,001 --> 01:00:23,001
Speaker 1: Brother, this is it's not easy, but once you.

1327
01:00:23,121 --> 01:00:28,121
Speaker 4: Understand the method around the reward of hard work, and

1328
01:00:28,401 --> 01:00:30,721
Speaker 4: like for me, if I'm not working six or seven

1329
01:00:30,801 --> 01:00:33,801
Speaker 4: days a week, and I mean it's sincerely, I get dirty.

1330
01:00:33,561 --> 01:00:36,881
Speaker 1: Bro, Like I want I want to work. I want

1331
01:00:36,921 --> 01:00:38,961
Speaker 1: to I want to know that I'm.

1332
01:00:38,841 --> 01:00:40,961
Speaker 4: Going out there tomorrow to do a job and get

1333
01:00:41,001 --> 01:00:43,721
Speaker 4: paid for that job through hard work and sweating blood

1334
01:00:44,081 --> 01:00:46,001
Speaker 4: whatever else comes, you know what I mean. Like I've

1335
01:00:46,001 --> 01:00:48,961
Speaker 4: earnt that my family's getting it because of my hard work,

1336
01:00:49,121 --> 01:00:50,721
Speaker 4: you know, and sleep.

1337
01:00:50,521 --> 01:00:53,961
Speaker 1: To find That's what what I mean define hard work.

1338
01:00:54,681 --> 01:00:55,881
Speaker 1: You can't tell me what we were doing back and

1339
01:00:55,921 --> 01:00:57,441
Speaker 1: the day wasn't hard work too, you know what I mean.

1340
01:00:57,601 --> 01:01:00,081
Speaker 1: That's my point. Yeah, we're not shy. We're not shy

1341
01:01:00,121 --> 01:01:03,121
Speaker 1: of hard work whatever. For whatever. The outcome is hard work,

1342
01:01:03,161 --> 01:01:06,161
Speaker 1: hard work. We're always were workers. We're earnest will work is.

1343
01:01:06,201 --> 01:01:07,601
Speaker 1: We're always going to look for a way where we

1344
01:01:07,681 --> 01:01:10,361
Speaker 1: can work hard for an outcome, you know what I mean.

1345
01:01:10,481 --> 01:01:12,441
Speaker 1: It's just a different work and it's a different outcome.

1346
01:01:12,601 --> 01:01:16,161
Speaker 1: So it's what is what is the work you're doing now?

1347
01:01:16,561 --> 01:01:18,281
Speaker 1: Because they'll tell you what You've got a good purpose.

1348
01:01:18,361 --> 01:01:21,201
Speaker 1: Let's get to that purpose. Yes, so right now, Look,

1349
01:01:21,681 --> 01:01:24,401
Speaker 1: the main thing I want to do is I don't

1350
01:01:24,401 --> 01:01:27,041
Speaker 1: want to get caught up with me trying to tell

1351
01:01:27,841 --> 01:01:29,961
Speaker 1: the next generation what to do and what more to do,

1352
01:01:30,121 --> 01:01:32,121
Speaker 1: because had someone said that to me when I was

1353
01:01:32,161 --> 01:01:35,321
Speaker 1: a kid, I'll tell them to you go get stuffed. Yeah,

1354
01:01:35,561 --> 01:01:37,241
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I look at I look

1355
01:01:37,281 --> 01:01:39,521
Speaker 1: at the youth space, just the space, and there's a

1356
01:01:39,521 --> 01:01:41,121
Speaker 1: lot of people do some really good things out there

1357
01:01:41,441 --> 01:01:44,281
Speaker 1: there is The things that I sort of want to

1358
01:01:44,321 --> 01:01:46,561
Speaker 1: bring now is that I want to be able to

1359
01:01:46,681 --> 01:01:49,241
Speaker 1: have receipts. So I got out of a prison. Within

1360
01:01:49,281 --> 01:01:51,201
Speaker 1: twelve weeks, I started a six figure business now and

1361
01:01:51,481 --> 01:01:52,481
Speaker 1: we're scaling and it's.

1362
01:01:52,321 --> 01:01:54,641
Speaker 3: Going really well. Within twelve weeks. I had no idea

1363
01:01:54,641 --> 01:01:55,361
Speaker 3: about the industry.

1364
01:01:55,681 --> 01:01:56,241
Speaker 1: I had no one.

1365
01:01:56,321 --> 01:01:57,681
Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone in the industry.

1366
01:01:57,721 --> 01:01:59,321
Speaker 1: Are you felling Asahi bowls too?

1367
01:01:59,921 --> 01:02:05,641
Speaker 3: I'm selling a say Bahad, but I could, I'm serious,

1368
01:02:05,721 --> 01:02:08,081
Speaker 3: I am, I was injury enough.

1369
01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:18,481
Speaker 1: No, no I have but yeah, yeah, well desserts, desserts

1370
01:02:18,521 --> 01:02:20,161
Speaker 1: and assietys and pancakes and the whole.

1371
01:02:21,761 --> 01:02:25,601
Speaker 3: So well, when he said that, because I know every

1372
01:02:25,721 --> 01:02:28,481
Speaker 3: every knock of our blake that I know, he's having

1373
01:02:28,521 --> 01:02:30,001
Speaker 3: a cracket some sort of.

1374
01:02:30,041 --> 01:02:32,121
Speaker 1: Food industry and it's generally around the other side and

1375
01:02:32,201 --> 01:02:34,441
Speaker 1: everyone's kicking goals, it's man, well you know what it's

1376
01:02:34,521 --> 01:02:36,761
Speaker 1: because it's that same it's the same hustle as to say,

1377
01:02:36,761 --> 01:02:40,841
Speaker 1: it's the numbers guard. So it's on volume, volume based game.

1378
01:02:41,601 --> 01:02:43,521
Speaker 3: Are you happy to are you happy to say your

1379
01:02:43,521 --> 01:02:45,001
Speaker 3: business or you prefer to keep it off.

1380
01:02:45,721 --> 01:02:51,401
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called purple Prince Purple Princes Purple Prince, Purple Prince.

1381
01:02:52,641 --> 01:02:54,041
Speaker 1: Have a look at it, Purple Prince.

1382
01:02:54,321 --> 01:02:56,841
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that the one that whiz whiz has been

1383
01:02:56,881 --> 01:02:57,401
Speaker 3: at before?

1384
01:02:59,121 --> 01:03:05,481
Speaker 1: I'm not sure with them, you know, to be a

1385
01:03:05,521 --> 01:03:07,521
Speaker 1: lot of boy come down to here. No, because I've

1386
01:03:07,521 --> 01:03:07,801
Speaker 1: seen it.

1387
01:03:07,841 --> 01:03:10,041
Speaker 3: He doesn't promote much, but when he's I'm sure I've

1388
01:03:10,081 --> 01:03:12,521
Speaker 3: seen it there, ye have a look on that.

1389
01:03:13,001 --> 01:03:13,681
Speaker 6: Is he in the area?

1390
01:03:13,921 --> 01:03:18,481
Speaker 1: Where is it? It's in right? Okay? Beautiful? Yeah, yeah,

1391
01:03:18,601 --> 01:03:21,361
Speaker 1: it's about two minutes from top Ride, yep. But yes,

1392
01:03:21,521 --> 01:03:24,441
Speaker 1: I mean the point of that was, I had no

1393
01:03:24,601 --> 01:03:27,761
Speaker 1: idea about that business. I knew. I actually got told

1394
01:03:27,761 --> 01:03:28,841
Speaker 1: what the side was. I didn't even know what a

1395
01:03:28,881 --> 01:03:29,321
Speaker 1: sign was.

1396
01:03:29,521 --> 01:03:32,561
Speaker 3: My mate said to me, I have a look at

1397
01:03:32,601 --> 01:03:34,321
Speaker 3: this thing, you guys, it's a it's a good business.

1398
01:03:34,441 --> 01:03:37,001
Speaker 1: You know, it's fun. You know, you can get you

1399
01:03:37,081 --> 01:03:39,681
Speaker 1: can be involved and make it what you want. So

1400
01:03:40,041 --> 01:03:42,601
Speaker 1: I had to look into it, and I'll tell you what,

1401
01:03:42,681 --> 01:03:44,721
Speaker 1: it's actually a much harder business than the thing to run.

1402
01:03:44,961 --> 01:03:47,721
Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, they go up and

1403
01:03:47,761 --> 01:03:50,881
Speaker 1: they go down just as quick, and that's you. You've

1404
01:03:50,881 --> 01:03:53,521
Speaker 1: got to have a lot of thought and what you do. Yeah,

1405
01:03:53,921 --> 01:03:56,841
Speaker 1: And that's I looked at it and I said to

1406
01:03:56,921 --> 01:03:59,001
Speaker 1: myself when I was starting and watching YouTube videos and

1407
01:03:59,041 --> 01:04:00,921
Speaker 1: the machines and all this stuff, and I thought, if

1408
01:04:00,961 --> 01:04:03,641
Speaker 1: I can make this business, do it really well at

1409
01:04:03,681 --> 01:04:05,481
Speaker 1: the start a good six months. It's going to run

1410
01:04:05,481 --> 01:04:07,521
Speaker 1: itself in six months and I know that, and it's

1411
01:04:07,561 --> 01:04:08,841
Speaker 1: going to give me time to work on what I

1412
01:04:08,921 --> 01:04:10,841
Speaker 1: want to work on, which is this. So I knew

1413
01:04:10,841 --> 01:04:12,761
Speaker 1: that it could be sustainable business model. And it's easy

1414
01:04:12,841 --> 01:04:14,441
Speaker 1: to scale. You know, it's very easy to scale.

1415
01:04:14,801 --> 01:04:16,401
Speaker 6: You know what I want to people for one of

1416
01:04:16,441 --> 01:04:20,361
Speaker 6: my new shop, my new jo there is there's no

1417
01:04:20,561 --> 01:04:21,921
Speaker 6: Manu sha brother, what.

1418
01:04:22,001 --> 01:04:22,481
Speaker 1: A mist sake.

1419
01:04:22,641 --> 01:04:22,801
Speaker 3: Man.

1420
01:04:23,721 --> 01:04:25,161
Speaker 1: You got to give the people what they want. In

1421
01:04:25,241 --> 01:04:26,481
Speaker 1: my area, there's no as shops.

1422
01:04:28,521 --> 01:04:31,361
Speaker 3: Magine coming Bolka seeing just in one little suburb. You

1423
01:04:31,441 --> 01:04:33,201
Speaker 3: got this tiny little hole in the world. All is

1424
01:04:33,321 --> 01:04:35,641
Speaker 3: is an oven and two people working there broad just

1425
01:04:35,681 --> 01:04:37,201
Speaker 3: pumping out manusha with that long.

1426
01:04:37,281 --> 01:04:39,961
Speaker 1: I beg, you know what. This is exactly the conversation

1427
01:04:40,001 --> 01:04:41,521
Speaker 1: I had with the mate before I started, and say,

1428
01:04:41,521 --> 01:04:42,641
Speaker 1: I don't know what you should start up with work

1429
01:04:42,641 --> 01:04:46,041
Speaker 1: shop and the tiny I need some of your connections.

1430
01:04:47,841 --> 01:04:53,241
Speaker 1: It's literally that's simple. But anyway from that that for me,

1431
01:04:54,641 --> 01:04:57,321
Speaker 1: a lot of people spun out. Look, whatever the business was,

1432
01:04:57,401 --> 01:04:59,881
Speaker 1: whatever the industry was, the fact was that I got

1433
01:04:59,921 --> 01:05:01,681
Speaker 1: out after you know, all this time, I had no

1434
01:05:01,801 --> 01:05:05,761
Speaker 1: idea about technology, no idea about the way the world works,

1435
01:05:05,841 --> 01:05:09,761
Speaker 1: how customers work, how customer services, taxes, all this sort

1436
01:05:09,801 --> 01:05:12,201
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I just learned within twelve four to

1437
01:05:12,201 --> 01:05:12,641
Speaker 1: ten weeks.

1438
01:05:12,681 --> 01:05:15,001
Speaker 3: And it's it's still out seven days a week, right,

1439
01:05:15,041 --> 01:05:18,161
Speaker 3: and it's felt really well. And the point of the

1440
01:05:18,201 --> 01:05:20,001
Speaker 3: point that I'm making is that I don't want to

1441
01:05:20,041 --> 01:05:21,721
Speaker 3: go out there and tell this next year and she's

1442
01:05:21,841 --> 01:05:22,361
Speaker 3: what are you going to do?

1443
01:05:22,521 --> 01:05:22,561
Speaker 5: Do?

1444
01:05:22,681 --> 01:05:24,601
Speaker 1: You just don't do that gel shit. People are bad

1445
01:05:24,721 --> 01:05:26,841
Speaker 1: copples or this and whatever it is, because they're not

1446
01:05:26,881 --> 01:05:29,081
Speaker 1: going to listen to you, because I want to listen

1447
01:05:29,121 --> 01:05:30,641
Speaker 1: to them. I want to be the person who says,

1448
01:05:30,721 --> 01:05:33,361
Speaker 1: listen if I can tell you that, I'll teach you

1449
01:05:33,481 --> 01:05:35,361
Speaker 1: how to get to where I am, and I'll give

1450
01:05:35,361 --> 01:05:36,841
Speaker 1: you the tools, and I'll give you the skills, and

1451
01:05:36,881 --> 01:05:39,921
Speaker 1: I'll teach you the mindset that you can build yourself

1452
01:05:39,921 --> 01:05:41,321
Speaker 1: a future for the film and you can still be

1453
01:05:41,401 --> 01:05:41,881
Speaker 1: one of the boys.

1454
01:05:41,921 --> 01:05:43,761
Speaker 3: But I still go happy. You know, I still drive

1455
01:05:43,801 --> 01:05:46,921
Speaker 3: a nice calf the boys. I'm not you know, I'm

1456
01:05:46,961 --> 01:05:49,281
Speaker 3: still I'm still very relatable. I haven't turn my back

1457
01:05:49,321 --> 01:05:50,481
Speaker 3: on everyone and everything that I know.

1458
01:05:50,761 --> 01:05:53,361
Speaker 1: Yesn't that better off? Just because you're doing well, you

1459
01:05:53,481 --> 01:05:55,601
Speaker 1: still want to lay boys? Still one of the boys,

1460
01:05:55,641 --> 01:05:59,441
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm just not involved in criminal activities. Yeah.

1461
01:06:00,201 --> 01:06:02,121
Speaker 1: So if I can say to them, listen, you still

1462
01:06:02,121 --> 01:06:04,401
Speaker 1: want to wear it because it seems to disday and

1463
01:06:04,441 --> 01:06:06,921
Speaker 1: age and driving, ask having nice watch, skating iced in

1464
01:06:07,001 --> 01:06:09,081
Speaker 1: the places, stuff like that. I say, mother, you can

1465
01:06:09,121 --> 01:06:11,521
Speaker 1: still do that. If what would you say? If I

1466
01:06:11,561 --> 01:06:14,081
Speaker 1: could teach you the skills you know, and give you

1467
01:06:14,161 --> 01:06:15,921
Speaker 1: a mindset that you can achieve this stuff and you

1468
01:06:15,961 --> 01:06:17,201
Speaker 1: don't have to go to jail, you don't have to

1469
01:06:17,201 --> 01:06:18,601
Speaker 1: worry about edyone in one, you don't have to wear

1470
01:06:18,601 --> 01:06:20,641
Speaker 1: all this stuff, you know what I mean. So that's

1471
01:06:21,081 --> 01:06:24,321
Speaker 1: that's that's my that's my intentions at the moment. I

1472
01:06:24,361 --> 01:06:27,001
Speaker 1: want to be able to build myself up, keep scathing

1473
01:06:27,081 --> 01:06:30,921
Speaker 1: my business, keep being you know, having engaged in being

1474
01:06:31,001 --> 01:06:33,201
Speaker 1: engaging on social media so the people can say this guy,

1475
01:06:33,281 --> 01:06:35,761
Speaker 1: actually he's lifted and he makes me talking about and

1476
01:06:35,841 --> 01:06:38,081
Speaker 1: if I follow him and he will teach me how

1477
01:06:38,201 --> 01:06:41,161
Speaker 1: I can get myself to a really good position. And

1478
01:06:41,241 --> 01:06:42,681
Speaker 1: I can and I don't have to be a square

1479
01:06:42,801 --> 01:06:44,001
Speaker 1: to do that, you know what I mean?

1480
01:06:45,361 --> 01:06:47,281
Speaker 4: The boys, I love that, And this is why I

1481
01:06:47,401 --> 01:06:49,641
Speaker 4: was so excited about having you come on to the clink,

1482
01:06:49,681 --> 01:06:51,961
Speaker 4: because you know, this is what it's about, giving people

1483
01:06:52,001 --> 01:06:54,041
Speaker 4: the right tools in life to be able to realize

1484
01:06:54,081 --> 01:06:58,081
Speaker 4: that through hardships, traumas and all the things we go

1485
01:06:58,201 --> 01:07:00,281
Speaker 4: through and life does no matter how luck you a

1486
01:07:00,361 --> 01:07:04,321
Speaker 4: young man looking at multiple years beyond your even age,

1487
01:07:05,041 --> 01:07:07,681
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, your life's gone and here

1488
01:07:07,721 --> 01:07:11,921
Speaker 4: you are flip the coin and you've proven everyone beyond

1489
01:07:12,041 --> 01:07:15,521
Speaker 4: doubt how you can succeed. But what I love about

1490
01:07:15,561 --> 01:07:18,721
Speaker 4: you is your brain. The way you think, the intelligence

1491
01:07:18,841 --> 01:07:21,841
Speaker 4: of you is. It is something that we can all

1492
01:07:22,001 --> 01:07:24,881
Speaker 4: have if we put our own I guess effort into

1493
01:07:25,121 --> 01:07:28,361
Speaker 4: educating ourselves. It has an anumbousity. You know, you've got

1494
01:07:28,441 --> 01:07:30,561
Speaker 4: to actually put their effort in. It doesn't come for free.

1495
01:07:30,641 --> 01:07:32,761
Speaker 4: It's not something that you just get given no matter

1496
01:07:32,801 --> 01:07:34,801
Speaker 4: how smart you are. Like you said, you've had to

1497
01:07:34,881 --> 01:07:37,201
Speaker 4: learn and I said at the beginning of our conversation,

1498
01:07:37,681 --> 01:07:39,521
Speaker 4: you're a man of action. And that's why I have

1499
01:07:39,681 --> 01:07:43,321
Speaker 4: so much respect and really love your content. You know, like,

1500
01:07:43,961 --> 01:07:46,841
Speaker 4: let's talk about you. You got your business, but you've

1501
01:07:46,841 --> 01:07:48,761
Speaker 4: got the rolls Royce that you can cruise around and

1502
01:07:48,841 --> 01:07:49,681
Speaker 4: doing a podcast.

1503
01:07:50,361 --> 01:07:55,841
Speaker 5: What it's a hold our car, isn't it. You're just

1504
01:07:56,001 --> 01:07:59,761
Speaker 5: chasing clout. That's that's my mate's car. That's my mate's cuss.

1505
01:08:01,161 --> 01:08:06,081
Speaker 5: You're just that cloud, chase us to get your numbers out,

1506
01:08:06,161 --> 01:08:11,601
Speaker 5: like a fake influence. At least you're open and honest, brother.

1507
01:08:11,721 --> 01:08:15,281
Speaker 1: But you know what, how awesome? How awesome? If I

1508
01:08:15,401 --> 01:08:17,481
Speaker 1: was driving around in the roles was colored then with

1509
01:08:18,081 --> 01:08:20,041
Speaker 1: it ten months have been out, my dough would be

1510
01:08:20,121 --> 01:08:22,521
Speaker 1: kicked in by the coppers already. They would say, what

1511
01:08:23,041 --> 01:08:26,001
Speaker 1: wouldn't be paying for that? But I thought, like I

1512
01:08:26,041 --> 01:08:27,321
Speaker 1: said that good. The good thing is, you know, the

1513
01:08:27,361 --> 01:08:29,481
Speaker 1: takeaway from that is I've still got really good makes

1514
01:08:29,521 --> 01:08:31,801
Speaker 1: that are really supportive and they're blessed to be in

1515
01:08:31,881 --> 01:08:34,401
Speaker 1: opportunities where they can say, brother, take my take my

1516
01:08:34,521 --> 01:08:36,721
Speaker 1: roles as long as you want. Yeah, I mean, I'll

1517
01:08:36,761 --> 01:08:39,321
Speaker 1: take my whatever you want, as long as you're good things,

1518
01:08:39,321 --> 01:08:42,481
Speaker 1: you're happy, if you're living your life, what's mine is yours,

1519
01:08:42,521 --> 01:08:44,961
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm as beautiful that as the reason

1520
01:08:45,081 --> 01:08:46,641
Speaker 1: for that is to take home. Message for that is

1521
01:08:46,681 --> 01:08:49,521
Speaker 1: that I've created these relationships with people because I've been

1522
01:08:49,561 --> 01:08:53,041
Speaker 1: good to people. I've done good by people, and you know,

1523
01:08:53,361 --> 01:08:56,081
Speaker 1: I don't have much to give other than my love,

1524
01:08:56,161 --> 01:08:59,121
Speaker 1: more respect and myself I don't have and you will

1525
01:08:59,241 --> 01:09:01,641
Speaker 1: come home and that's it. And I was there for

1526
01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:04,641
Speaker 1: people when they were down and out. And you know

1527
01:09:06,081 --> 01:09:07,641
Speaker 1: that's the story of the world works. You know, you

1528
01:09:07,721 --> 01:09:09,281
Speaker 1: put out this good energy and it's going to come

1529
01:09:09,321 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: back to you. So I guess this is what I'm

1530
01:09:11,721 --> 01:09:14,161
Speaker 1: doing now, is like you said, I have this, you know,

1531
01:09:14,201 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: in my brain, and I guess, oh, it's all thanks

1532
01:09:16,761 --> 01:09:18,481
Speaker 1: to God. You know, I was blessed with with the brain.

1533
01:09:18,521 --> 01:09:20,881
Speaker 1: I was blessed with intelligence that I can seek and

1534
01:09:22,081 --> 01:09:25,041
Speaker 1: now it's about I don't really use it. When I

1535
01:09:25,081 --> 01:09:27,961
Speaker 1: can manipulate the system and you know, look for different

1536
01:09:27,961 --> 01:09:29,881
Speaker 1: earns here and there. I can use my brain and

1537
01:09:30,241 --> 01:09:35,321
Speaker 1: my God given intelligence to share that and help people,

1538
01:09:35,681 --> 01:09:38,161
Speaker 1: you know, educate people and ways that they can make

1539
01:09:38,241 --> 01:09:40,521
Speaker 1: money and ways that they can live. This I find

1540
01:09:40,561 --> 01:09:42,281
Speaker 1: I have this purpose and with this life. And it's

1541
01:09:42,321 --> 01:09:44,361
Speaker 1: not just the youth, you know, it's not just I'm

1542
01:09:44,401 --> 01:09:46,881
Speaker 1: looking to go into corporates. I'm looking to go to

1543
01:09:47,001 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: adults that want to, you know, do good in business.

1544
01:09:49,801 --> 01:09:51,881
Speaker 1: They want to they want to optimize their life, you know,

1545
01:09:51,921 --> 01:09:54,521
Speaker 1: they want to perform at a high level under these serious,

1546
01:09:54,561 --> 01:09:58,441
Speaker 1: high presure situations. Because we did high high I excelled,

1547
01:09:58,961 --> 01:10:01,201
Speaker 1: you know, I performed at such a high rate in

1548
01:10:01,721 --> 01:10:04,401
Speaker 1: a pressure cooker like it apps you the highest pressures

1549
01:10:04,441 --> 01:10:09,081
Speaker 1: you could think of. And I've created skills and disciplines

1550
01:10:09,161 --> 01:10:12,521
Speaker 1: and you know, routines that have got me to these times.

1551
01:10:13,481 --> 01:10:16,481
Speaker 1: And if I can help someone get to where they

1552
01:10:16,521 --> 01:10:20,601
Speaker 1: want to go by doing the hardships, then that's that's

1553
01:10:20,801 --> 01:10:22,441
Speaker 1: my calling at the moment, you know what I mean,

1554
01:10:22,561 --> 01:10:24,241
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what I'm passionate about.

1555
01:10:26,321 --> 01:10:28,321
Speaker 4: I'm a bit bit lost for words right now. I'm

1556
01:10:28,361 --> 01:10:30,561
Speaker 4: sitting here looking at you and just taking in everything

1557
01:10:30,601 --> 01:10:34,081
Speaker 4: you just said, and I you know, like I don't

1558
01:10:34,081 --> 01:10:37,001
Speaker 4: want to sound like I'm kissing your ass, but you're

1559
01:10:37,041 --> 01:10:40,441
Speaker 4: fucking awesome. You what you're doing is phenomenal and make

1560
01:10:40,561 --> 01:10:43,721
Speaker 4: you deserve all the respect in the world for the

1561
01:10:43,761 --> 01:10:46,561
Speaker 4: effort that you're putting in. And I feel that, you know,

1562
01:10:46,721 --> 01:10:49,241
Speaker 4: like I said, that to you when we'll chat. I'd

1563
01:10:49,361 --> 01:10:52,081
Speaker 4: like to give you my platform, you know, to help

1564
01:10:52,921 --> 01:10:55,641
Speaker 4: grow you, because I can see so much goodness that you,

1565
01:10:56,521 --> 01:10:58,801
Speaker 4: you know, you're putting out there for those that might

1566
01:10:58,841 --> 01:11:01,241
Speaker 4: want to actually get to know you a little bit more.

1567
01:11:01,321 --> 01:11:02,121
Speaker 1: Let's just talk.

1568
01:11:02,121 --> 01:11:07,161
Speaker 4: About your your Instagram channel and your your your YouTube channel.

1569
01:11:07,561 --> 01:11:09,641
Speaker 4: Let's put that out there for everybody so they know

1570
01:11:09,721 --> 01:11:11,841
Speaker 4: where they can find you and get engaged with what

1571
01:11:11,961 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 4: you're actually doing.

1572
01:11:12,761 --> 01:11:12,881
Speaker 3: Now.

1573
01:11:13,641 --> 01:11:17,641
Speaker 1: Yes, so my Instagram is only Prince and why Prince

1574
01:11:17,761 --> 01:11:21,401
Speaker 1: pr double I n CE because Mike Catual they gave

1575
01:11:21,441 --> 01:11:23,561
Speaker 1: a bit late and only Prince was taken with one eye,

1576
01:11:23,641 --> 01:11:27,121
Speaker 1: so at the at the serve for the double eyes.

1577
01:11:27,521 --> 01:11:29,681
Speaker 1: But it's the same and before peratforms. So YouTube it's all.

1578
01:11:29,721 --> 01:11:31,881
Speaker 1: It's the same handle across all TikTok ins to brand

1579
01:11:31,881 --> 01:11:34,401
Speaker 1: and mom YouTube. But yeah, I like, like you were

1580
01:11:34,401 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: saying before, how I I do? Actually I have taught myself,

1581
01:11:37,801 --> 01:11:39,481
Speaker 1: you know, how to edit, how to do all this

1582
01:11:39,561 --> 01:11:42,201
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. I've went and bought you know, all

1583
01:11:42,241 --> 01:11:44,521
Speaker 1: my cameras, microphones, lighting, I've learned how to use on

1584
01:11:44,561 --> 01:11:46,481
Speaker 1: that stuff. I fit out the car for the podcast

1585
01:11:46,561 --> 01:11:49,201
Speaker 1: myself and the reason that I did that one because

1586
01:11:49,201 --> 01:11:52,601
Speaker 1: I'm just I love learning. I love learning, man, I'm

1587
01:11:52,681 --> 01:11:55,401
Speaker 1: just a sponge when it comes to information. Look how excited.

1588
01:11:55,521 --> 01:11:57,801
Speaker 1: Yeah I even say that like it's like here, just

1589
01:11:57,881 --> 01:12:00,161
Speaker 1: like it's it's great. Yeah.

1590
01:12:00,521 --> 01:12:03,561
Speaker 3: And the second thing is now that once I've obtained

1591
01:12:03,601 --> 01:12:05,361
Speaker 3: this knowledge, I can then teach it, you know what

1592
01:12:05,401 --> 01:12:10,561
Speaker 3: I mean. And I love learning from someone that's you know,

1593
01:12:10,881 --> 01:12:13,601
Speaker 3: lived briefed, walk and talked it did someone who've read

1594
01:12:13,641 --> 01:12:13,961
Speaker 3: it from.

1595
01:12:13,881 --> 01:12:14,881
Speaker 1: A textbook, you know what I mean.

1596
01:12:15,041 --> 01:12:17,521
Speaker 4: So this is an issue I have, and look, people

1597
01:12:17,641 --> 01:12:19,281
Speaker 4: might I write me off for it because I call

1598
01:12:19,361 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 4: it out. I'll call a spade a spade.

1599
01:12:20,721 --> 01:12:22,681
Speaker 3: And I don't get into too much politics on the

1600
01:12:22,721 --> 01:12:25,321
Speaker 3: old Instagram anymore. He is to stir the bid down again,

1601
01:12:25,361 --> 01:12:27,521
Speaker 3: but I's just stay on it. But one thing I

1602
01:12:27,681 --> 01:12:30,241
Speaker 3: find hard, and I really do, is exactly what you said.

1603
01:12:30,321 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 4: I've got no respect for all these wealth life coaches

1604
01:12:36,441 --> 01:12:38,761
Speaker 4: fucking thirty thirty five years of age, lived off their

1605
01:12:38,841 --> 01:12:40,641
Speaker 4: mums tip till they were twenty eight thirty.

1606
01:12:41,161 --> 01:12:44,441
Speaker 3: You know, daddy's paid their fucking cars and there mane

1607
01:12:44,481 --> 01:12:46,881
Speaker 3: you know, shit, shut the fuck up. And I'll say

1608
01:12:46,961 --> 01:12:50,241
Speaker 3: that straight up because it really annoys me. You get

1609
01:12:50,361 --> 01:12:53,321
Speaker 3: somebody like yourself or myself or others that have actually

1610
01:12:53,441 --> 01:12:56,761
Speaker 3: had to literally live and know what it's like to

1611
01:12:56,841 --> 01:12:59,521
Speaker 3: go without, to then come through the struggles to actually

1612
01:12:59,721 --> 01:13:05,001
Speaker 3: have guaranteed, proven ways that we've succeeded to be able

1613
01:13:05,201 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 3: to then offer our help to others.

1614
01:13:07,921 --> 01:13:10,561
Speaker 4: We choose to be this person. It's is not about

1615
01:13:10,801 --> 01:13:13,401
Speaker 4: like we're forced into this or it's a way we

1616
01:13:13,521 --> 01:13:15,961
Speaker 4: have to be. We choose to be these men and

1617
01:13:16,241 --> 01:13:19,961
Speaker 4: get I get so excited giving and trying to see

1618
01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:23,321
Speaker 4: others succeed. If you're succeeding and you're someone who I've helped,

1619
01:13:23,361 --> 01:13:29,281
Speaker 4: we're succeeding, and that to me, it is so so

1620
01:13:29,441 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 4: much more rewarding knowing that I'm able to help somebody

1621
01:13:32,761 --> 01:13:35,801
Speaker 4: else through my wings. And if it doesn't matter whether

1622
01:13:35,801 --> 01:13:37,441
Speaker 4: they're a little one or a big it doesn't matter.

1623
01:13:37,801 --> 01:13:40,001
Speaker 4: It's just knowing that I could give somebody else an

1624
01:13:40,041 --> 01:13:43,601
Speaker 4: opportunity to see them do something great for themselves. And brother,

1625
01:13:44,881 --> 01:13:48,961
Speaker 4: I just yeah, I want to congratulate you, and I

1626
01:13:49,561 --> 01:13:52,041
Speaker 4: I think you've got a massive future ahead, bro, and.

1627
01:13:54,561 --> 01:13:56,761
Speaker 1: I believe you do. I believe you do. And look,

1628
01:13:57,201 --> 01:13:58,841
Speaker 1: I'm not going to hold you up any longer. We're

1629
01:13:58,841 --> 01:14:00,561
Speaker 1: going to go into a part two down the track.

1630
01:14:00,641 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 3: If you're available and you're wanted, the door will always

1631
01:14:02,841 --> 01:14:05,881
Speaker 3: be open because we again, I know we're on a

1632
01:14:05,921 --> 01:14:08,241
Speaker 3: time difference and you've given up Drava, and so thank

1633
01:14:08,321 --> 01:14:08,921
Speaker 3: you very much.

1634
01:14:10,161 --> 01:14:12,361
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you for two. That's anything for

1635
01:14:12,401 --> 01:14:14,081
Speaker 1: a while, brother, I want.

1636
01:14:14,041 --> 01:14:20,201
Speaker 3: To two good tools that you have now realized in

1637
01:14:20,321 --> 01:14:25,001
Speaker 3: life that have enabled you to grow and become a

1638
01:14:25,081 --> 01:14:27,601
Speaker 3: better meaning What can you say to the listeners out

1639
01:14:27,641 --> 01:14:30,201
Speaker 3: there that are inspired by you and that are looking

1640
01:14:30,241 --> 01:14:31,401
Speaker 3: for some advice right now?

1641
01:14:34,401 --> 01:14:40,001
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Two, let's summarize, summarize our life club of hardship.

1642
01:14:40,041 --> 01:14:43,481
Speaker 1: Since the three points one one I would definitely say

1643
01:14:44,881 --> 01:14:49,081
Speaker 1: would be being okay on your own, being really comfortable

1644
01:14:49,401 --> 01:14:53,081
Speaker 1: on your own. I did a video on that power

1645
01:14:53,121 --> 01:14:56,441
Speaker 1: in solitude, and I'm really, I really believe that I've

1646
01:14:56,521 --> 01:14:59,321
Speaker 1: found my true self what I was. You know, I

1647
01:14:59,441 --> 01:15:03,241
Speaker 1: broke myself down so much to know my strengths, my

1648
01:15:03,321 --> 01:15:07,361
Speaker 1: weaknesses and no, no an internal rebuild from being on

1649
01:15:07,441 --> 01:15:09,401
Speaker 1: my own. So I think in this day and age

1650
01:15:09,401 --> 01:15:12,161
Speaker 1: where you know, there's so much distractions and it's you know,

1651
01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:15,801
Speaker 1: there's so much going on social media is that people

1652
01:15:15,881 --> 01:15:19,281
Speaker 1: are that no one's ever unknown, You're never really truly alone.

1653
01:15:19,321 --> 01:15:22,601
Speaker 1: So I think if you can really find power and

1654
01:15:22,721 --> 01:15:26,521
Speaker 1: solitude being on your own and being comfortable speaking to yourself,

1655
01:15:27,241 --> 01:15:30,161
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will be really surprised

1656
01:15:30,201 --> 01:15:31,721
Speaker 1: with one, how powerful that can be?

1657
01:15:32,521 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: Bootable one, I definitely say that to find that power

1658
01:15:36,841 --> 01:15:37,481
Speaker 3: and on your own.

1659
01:15:38,321 --> 01:15:46,601
Speaker 1: And number two would be there's there's there's a few,

1660
01:15:46,641 --> 01:15:49,961
Speaker 1: but too, I think it would have to be two.

1661
01:15:51,801 --> 01:15:56,761
Speaker 1: Learn but also in learning, ask ask for help, ask

1662
01:15:56,841 --> 01:16:00,561
Speaker 1: for assistance, because you are never going to be the

1663
01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:04,241
Speaker 1: smartest in everything that there's always someone that has lived

1664
01:16:04,561 --> 01:16:07,601
Speaker 1: before you, walk before, you've spoken, before you learn before you.

1665
01:16:07,761 --> 01:16:11,241
Speaker 1: So if you can minimize mistakes in life, minimize any

1666
01:16:11,321 --> 01:16:14,961
Speaker 1: errors by asking someone that's been there do it. And

1667
01:16:15,201 --> 01:16:17,121
Speaker 1: especially in this day and age, if the internet, the

1668
01:16:17,241 --> 01:16:20,481
Speaker 1: internet is full of free knowledge for free. You can

1669
01:16:20,561 --> 01:16:22,321
Speaker 1: type anything into the Internet and it will tell you

1670
01:16:23,081 --> 01:16:26,121
Speaker 1: step by step on how to do it. So you know,

1671
01:16:26,481 --> 01:16:29,881
Speaker 1: there's there's if you know everything in this world. Congratulations,

1672
01:16:29,961 --> 01:16:35,081
Speaker 1: you're dead. No, Yeah, you're done, you're dead, you're dark,

1673
01:16:36,961 --> 01:16:45,361
Speaker 1: You've conquered life. Goodbye. What's right? Well, Prince I look.

1674
01:16:45,641 --> 01:16:46,401
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

1675
01:16:46,601 --> 01:16:48,881
Speaker 3: Thank you to your family for your allowing you to

1676
01:16:48,921 --> 01:16:49,241
Speaker 3: sit there.

1677
01:16:49,281 --> 01:16:51,721
Speaker 4: I know that there's a family in the home, and

1678
01:16:52,321 --> 01:16:55,561
Speaker 4: you know I want Dad's attention as do mine, so

1679
01:16:56,001 --> 01:16:58,481
Speaker 4: you know, let's go and be our best version of ourselves.

1680
01:16:58,601 --> 01:17:01,361
Speaker 3: But from a man to another man, brother, I had

1681
01:17:01,401 --> 01:17:03,481
Speaker 3: the utmost respect for you. Thank you very much for

1682
01:17:03,601 --> 01:17:06,201
Speaker 3: coming on, and I know that it's is pretty much

1683
01:17:06,241 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: one of the first podcasts that you've actually allowed yourself

1684
01:17:08,801 --> 01:17:09,161
Speaker 3: to come on.

1685
01:17:09,281 --> 01:17:12,481
Speaker 1: So thank you for entrusting me to deliver your story.

1686
01:17:12,561 --> 01:17:16,721
Speaker 4: And guys, please respect you know, as we have touched on,

1687
01:17:16,921 --> 01:17:19,601
Speaker 4: there are some technical and legal issues there that we

1688
01:17:19,721 --> 01:17:22,641
Speaker 4: can't go into. What we won't go into, so those

1689
01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:24,881
Speaker 4: that listen to The Clink understand that, and that's not

1690
01:17:25,001 --> 01:17:28,161
Speaker 4: something that we ever push on. But I feel that

1691
01:17:28,201 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 4: there's enough context there, brother, for people to understand that, yeah,

1692
01:17:31,841 --> 01:17:32,121
Speaker 4: you are.

1693
01:17:32,241 --> 01:17:33,921
Speaker 3: You are a man that's a stand up man and

1694
01:17:34,041 --> 01:17:36,521
Speaker 3: someone that's lived a life, and what a great life

1695
01:17:36,601 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 3: you start to set for you and your family. Use Brother,

1696
01:17:38,961 --> 01:17:42,161
Speaker 3: thank you for your time overcoming on your Clink. God

1697
01:17:42,201 --> 01:17:43,481
Speaker 3: a letter, sure, thank thank.

1698
01:17:43,321 --> 01:17:46,081
Speaker 1: You God it God best. Thanks for the record.

1699
01:17:46,321 --> 01:17:49,761
Speaker 2: Don't try and make you uncomfortable photo record. You ain't

1700
01:17:49,801 --> 01:17:53,081
Speaker 2: try and world under stuff for your fort record lab

1701
01:17:53,201 --> 01:17:56,321
Speaker 2: on me going all the way way photo record. Ain't

1702
01:17:56,321 --> 01:18:00,921
Speaker 2: trying to link, No, trying to waste for the red

1703
01:18:03,961 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: ragged Forto, right for the rigging Forto.

1704
01:18:08,801 --> 01:18:09,041
Speaker 3: Reckit