1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Sergio Perez 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: is under pressure to lift his game or face the 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: sack after six races of underperformance. Could that leave the 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: door open to a shock? Red Bull Racing comeback for 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo and Lewis Hamilton claims a record breaking ninth 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: British Grand Prix victory as the top three teams converge 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: at the front of the field. My name is Michael Lomonado, 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: motorsport rider for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: your company again after our extended break and the company 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: of my co hosts from Speed Cafe. He's also added 12 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: his name to the list of teams pitching to hire 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Carlos Signs this month. Is Matt Kosh. 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: My name's also on the list of those wanting to 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: drive at williams Audi. Where else is therea gig going 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: at the moment? Has and hell why not Red Bull? 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: Let's go for broke. 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: You may as well. The list is long, but the 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: names are repetitive, so might not include yourself on them. 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: It's been a little bit. 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Of I'm that actually I can't remember when our last 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: podcast was two three months ago. 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. My beard scale is sort of about 24 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: the window. But it does feel like the beard's a 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: little bit longer than it was back then. 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: It's as solid as ever, though the fault is mine, 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: of course. I've welcomed two newborns into my household and 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: I am yet to sleep. So it's been two long months. 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: But we are getting back into the swing of things 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: just in time for the mid season break pretty much, 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: which is the. 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: Way if you've not slept with two newborns. This this 33 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: pollet is going to get loose. 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just you wait until the later we get 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: into the season. We've got some different segments planned for 36 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: this comeback, and some of them do have the potentially 37 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: thing to get loose. Maybe not today but in future weeks. Absolutely, 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: But Matt, it's been to be a couple of obviously, 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: it's been to be a couple of weeks in Formula 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: one about a triple header. It feels like fulling on 41 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: didn't stop for the last month. Because it didn't. But 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: let's it through. Let's skip through rapidly in rapid fire mode. 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Some of the big headlines from the last Let's keep 44 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: each one to sixty seconds as well, and see if 45 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: we can summarize them. I'm going to start off first 46 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: of all with, as we tease in the start of 47 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: the opening to the podcast, Carlos Science. We all thought 48 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: he was going straight to Audi after being sacked by Ferrari. 49 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: Then it was well maybe Williams. Now it's oh wow. 50 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,839 Speaker 1: Actually el Paine is also a team in Formula One, 51 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: and now Mercedes seems to be his expanded list of 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: options betweeny twenty five Matt. The driver market's already feeling 53 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: pretty protracted. We are going to talk a little bit 54 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: more about it later on in the podcast, but this 55 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: feels like it could delay everything by months. 56 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: We may not even get a decision this year. 57 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: For all we know, you'll all go into next year 58 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: and just there will be a bunch of empty cars 59 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: on the grid. The driver market is still really fluid, 60 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: and Carlos is sort of the key to that, isn't 61 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: he because he's the highest credential and highest caliber driver 62 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: that it's available. But you get this feeling, and James 63 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: Vower sort of alluded to it over the weekend in 64 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: Silverstone that people are getting a little bit fed up. 65 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: They wanted to make a decision so that they can 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: make a decision because hangs on what he does, and 67 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: so many pieces will fall into place. So you get 68 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: the feeling that people are now going to start making 69 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: choices and firming up what they're going to do, and 70 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: Carlos could be left out in the cult here. Obviously, 71 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: what he's trying to do is pick the least worst option, 72 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: because he's got three on the table, being has Saba 73 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: and Williams, and it's where are you're going to go? 74 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: You don't look at twenty five, you look at twenty 75 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: six and beyonders. That's that's a difficult game. 76 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: We've already gone twenty two seconds over in our very 77 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: first version of this minter segment. So we're off to 78 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: flying start. Let's move on to LP and it's power 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: unit supposedly a Works team the French manufacturer is considering, 80 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: as essentially confirmed by Mercedes boss Toto Wolf, ditching that 81 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: power unit for twenty twenty six and moving on to 82 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: a customer supply matt Works engine deals as sort of 83 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: the most sought after thing as a manufacturer in Formula one. 84 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: How does this make any sense? 85 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. Because running an in 86 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: house engine program costs you from twenty twenty six about 87 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty million dollars a year, or a 88 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: customer supply costs you seventeen million euro a year. And 89 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: let's face it, the Reno power unit is the worst 90 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: on the grid, So if you can get any other 91 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: power unit, your quid's up already and you make the 92 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: team more attractive to sell. Interesting that Toto Wolf commented 93 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: on this because he's not the head of the department 94 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: that makes a decision on messedes behalf. That's Mercedes HPP, 95 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: who is Hugh Thomas. But I don't think that's going 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: to happen anyway. I think I'll end up with with Honda, 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: based on a couple of conversations that I've had and 98 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: the obligation to supply clause within the technical regulations of 99 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Actually wrote an article about that on 100 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: speed Cafe that by the time you listening to this 101 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 2: went out yesterday. 102 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: Very good sizzle first said article that was more I 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: was closer to a minute. I'm happy with that. Yes, 104 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: let's move on to news that happened overnight, at least 105 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: when you're probably listening to this podcast, and it's Drigo 106 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Carbdile from Ferrari, the head of Chassis. He's now the 107 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: Aston Martin Chief Technical Officer, or will be in the 108 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: future at very least he's been rumored for a little while. 109 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: That follows the appointment or the future appointment again of 110 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Andy Cowe, the former Mercedes Engine boss, to the group 111 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: CEO of Aston Martin Performance Technologies, where he's replaced Martin 112 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: wit Marsh Matt. It's weird because off track this team 113 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: seems to be getting bigger, but on track the results 114 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: are getting worse. 115 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And throwing to that mixed links to Adrian Newey 116 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: and all sorts of things and all the right pieces 117 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: seem to be coming together apart from the one piece 118 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: that really matters. So it's a growth phase. We've seen 119 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: it at other teams. At some point you think it's 120 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: going to come together, but there's probably one or two 121 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: roles that need to change hands before it's a proper force. 122 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: In Formula one, Oh look, we've come in under time, 123 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: say in the last ten seconds. 124 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: All right, if they're going to be taken seriously, they 125 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: need to replace Lanstroll. 126 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Yeah, I'm happy with that we're coming 127 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: under time. I'm very pleased with that. 128 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: More driver market news though, and this time at the 129 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: very back of the grid, or almost at the very 130 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,679 Speaker 1: back of the grid, and it's at Williams where James Valves, 131 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: the team principal there has been making it in clear 132 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: that Logan Sergeant's seed isn't just under threat at the 133 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: end of the year, but potentially halfway through this year 134 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: due to his continued under performance. Counter argument to that 135 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: is that he had probably the year's best performance at 136 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: the weekend at Silverston, finishing eleventh. But counter to that, 137 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Caunter is that Mercedes junior Andrea Kimi Antonelli won his 138 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: first Formula two sprint race at the weekend in pretty 139 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: difficult conditions. That really showed where all this hype has 140 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: been coming from. Could this be our first mid season switch? 141 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: I think so, because also Alex al Want still beat him. 142 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: He might have finished eleventh, but Alex Album was ninth. 143 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: There's been links to other drivers replacing Sergeant for a 144 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: long time. Mick Schumacher has been mentioned. Franko Colopinto got 145 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: a mention in there as well by Jensen Button over 146 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: the weekend, which is interesting color Pinto is a Williams junior. 147 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: He did the FP one session for Sergeant on Friday, 148 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: so it'd be interesting. Sergeant absolutely has to improve because 149 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: the grid's so tight that you can't afford to be 150 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: giving up points, which exactly is exactly a point we're 151 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 2: going to mention a little bit later in conjunction with Sojo. 152 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: Perez approximately one minute. I think we have improvement to 153 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: do to tighten up this one minute. 154 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: If you were to rank us on the grid, where 155 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: are we now? Somewhere we sort of alpine hass Williams. 156 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: More like Formula two. 157 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I think, see if you get doing yeah, que Let's 158 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: move on though, to some of the big topics of 159 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: this week. Matt Well really the big topic of this 160 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: week since the British Grand Prix, and in fact in 161 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the days leading up to it, and it's a speculation 162 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: ramping up really quite spectacularly that Red Bull Racing is 163 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: contemplating the nuclear option of fitting Sergio Perez, perhaps as 164 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: early as the mid season break if he doesn't lift. 165 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: This comes off the back of six rounds in a 166 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: row of really quite dire performances in which he scored 167 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: just fifteen points. That's one fewer than Nico Holckenberg at 168 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: has for example, just to illustrate that one. Now, Matt, 169 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: I like a stat I think you do too. I 170 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: feel like that really binds this podcast together. I love 171 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: a good statistic. So when you run you through some 172 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: statistics we've compiled at Fox sports dot com dot are 173 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: you for an article that should be online now whenever 174 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: you're listening something we've been running in fact for the 175 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: last few weeks. But these are his qualifying and race 176 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: averages over the course of the year and how they 177 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: compare to Max. 178 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: Forstappen. 179 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: So, on average is qualifying eight point three on the 180 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: grids in what for a lot of the year was 181 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: the fastest car. That's six point four places behind Max 182 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: for stapp And that's the biggest gap of any teammates 183 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: in Formula one. The time differential is point four eight 184 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: six seconds. That's the biggest gap between teammates in Formula one. 185 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: His race results is five point eight on average. That's 186 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: four point two places behind Forstappen. The biggest gap in 187 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: Formula one one hundred and thirty seven points behind Verstappen 188 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: outscored at a rate of two point one six to 189 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: one points, the third worst in Formula one, behind only 190 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: Logan Sergeant, who's yet to score, and Kevin Magnuson, whose 191 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: gap with Maker Holckenberg, to be fair is exaggerated a 192 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: little bit by the fact both of them have scored 193 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: relatively few points, so the percentages are quite large whichever 194 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: way you cut at Matt he is the worst performing 195 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: teammate in Formula one except for that last one I 196 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: guess on points, which I explicitly pointed out. It's hard 197 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: to envisage a way he can come back convincingly, though, 198 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: isn't it, Because it's not only not the first time 199 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: this has happened, it's happened last year as well. But 200 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: even if he does perform moderately well in the next 201 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: two Grand Prix, surely performances like these are going to 202 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: be in the back of red Bull's mind for the 203 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: rest of the year. 204 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: They are some fantastic stats. I'm a big fan of those. 205 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and it spells it out perfectly, really 206 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: doesn't it. Sergio hasn't delivered anywhere near the level that 207 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Red Bull needs, and the reason they need him scoring 208 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: is that you've got a resurgent McLaren Mercedes is back 209 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: on form Ferrari's Auto one races this year, you've got 210 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: three teams nipping at their heels. Okay, Mescedes is a 211 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: little bit further back. That could potentially challenge for the 212 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Constructors World Championship. That's what the money is paid out against. 213 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: It's not the Driver's Championship. That's when that gets the headlines, 214 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: but the money is actually paid out in the constructors 215 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: So finishing first gives you a hell of a lot 216 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: more dosh than what finishing second does. So it's not 217 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: just we want points of bragging rights. There is a 218 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: motive behind that. At the moment, that performance delta is significant, 219 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: and it just doesn't seem like he's got any answer 220 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: to it because it's been prolonged. This is his worst 221 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: run since being at Red Bull. His previous worst run 222 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: was I think he had a five or six race 223 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: stretch in twenty twenty one where he had two DNFs, 224 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: but he still scored twenty something points in six races. 225 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: As you say, it'scored fifteen. That's abysmal for a car 226 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: that should be on the podium pretty much every weekend. 227 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: So it's crunch time, you know, Christian Horner sort of 228 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: alluded to the fact that or he joked that he 229 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: hoped the contract was going to spark him into some 230 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,359 Speaker 2: new form and it didn't. And he's also said that 231 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: what he's delivering now is unsustainable. There's some big words 232 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: for a team boss at the top end of pitt 233 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: Lane and it just makes you wonder, we know how 234 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: brutal that program is. What are they thinking. It was 235 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: this time last year that they j Justison, Nick Devreese. 236 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: You know, there was a test basically this day last year, 237 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: Daniel Ricardo was doing a tire test at Silverston and 238 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: that got him the gig at Alphatarrius. That then was 239 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: that's now led on to him staying with that team. 240 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 2: He's one of the names that's been mentioned as a 241 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: potential candidate for Sergio's seats. So to Liam Lawson, Interestingly, 242 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: as we record this, I'm pretty sure Liam is on 243 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: track doing some stuff for red Bull. Publicly, they're saying that, 244 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: you know, it's just just a bit of error evaluation work. 245 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: It's been planned for months and there's nothing really to it, 246 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: I believe on the quiet it's a bit of benchmarking 247 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: as well. So Liam is also a contender for that seat. 248 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: So I mean that goes to show that there's two 249 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: ways of sort of looking at this. Either Sergio has 250 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: fallen that far that Red Bull and Christian Horner are 251 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: now willing to entertain drivers below a level that they 252 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: perhaps once would have, or you flip it around and 253 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: they think that highly of Liam that he's even in 254 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: that conversation in the first place. Interestingly, the one that's 255 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 2: not really in contention there is Yuqi. 256 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: Sonoda, which is absurd really because the whole point of 257 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: the Red Bull Junior program is to have drivers ready 258 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: to race at Red Bull Racing. And I understand Sonoda's 259 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: first two seasons were a little bit sketchy. He was 260 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: obviously being very fast since he debuted in Formula one' 261 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: scored points on debut even but has been very rough 262 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: around the edges, inconsistent sometimes even not a great temperament. 263 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Last year showed quite significant improvements. This year has been 264 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: almost flawless. 265 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: Ok. 266 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: There was that after the flag dive bomb on Daniel 267 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: Ricardo in Bahrain that was pretty intemperate, but that's the 268 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: last sort of outbursty moment that really should count against 269 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: him this year, and there's been maybe one or two 270 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: at most off races he's had this year. One was 271 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: in China, where he'd never raced before in Formula one, 272 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: and one was in Austria, I think where he just 273 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: wasn't really quiet on Daniel's level. There have been races 274 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: he's been beaten by Daniel, of course, but otherwise he's 275 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: been pretty close to the pace. I think it's ridiculous 276 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: as you say that there's just no sign that he's 277 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: being considered. I wonder if things get really grim, for example, 278 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: if they benchmark Lawson as you say, and I'm sure 279 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: Lawson's going to do a good job because he did 280 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: a good job last year, but if they think maybe, well, 281 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: not Red Bull Racing, and if they're still not sold 282 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: by Daniel, that they might say, well, we've already got 283 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: some note under contract. But it just doesn't seem like 284 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: it's going that way. Let's start with Sonoda first before 285 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: we talk about Let's say we're rather Lawson first before 286 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: we talk about Daniel, because this is a really interesting one. 287 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: He's been knocking on the door now for Formula one 288 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: since almost this time last year, when he substituted for 289 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: Daniel for five Grand Prix second alfter the year, did 290 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: really well, scored some points in Singapore. No that it's 291 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: one of the most difficult races there is in Formula One. 292 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: He's been promised to see as far as we know, 293 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: next year, or he's a free agent, which doesn't It 294 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: means it's not really a promise, is it, Because the 295 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: alternative is just they let him go, which is sort 296 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: of contracts will work. It seems like the right time, right, 297 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: there's clearly a seat by all indications, there's going to 298 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: be a seat one way or another, at a minimum 299 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: next year, if not earlier. Putting him to Red bull 300 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: racing though, seems like repeating every mistake Red Bulls driver 301 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: program has made. That's taken it to hiring Sergio Peris 302 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: and weirdly enough, offering him more contracts. It wasn't that 303 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: long ago that Daniel left and they put in Pierre 304 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: Gasley after one reasonably good season of Torosso okay season 305 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: at Torosso, and then they replaced him after six months. 306 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Alban was put in after six months of Toroso. He 307 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: was replaced after nine months. Nick Devreese was put in 308 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: Alphatari after one good race if the Italian Grand Pro 309 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: the previous year replaced after ten rounds. 310 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: It's champion as well. Let's not get too flipping Well. 311 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, okay, yes, to be fair as well while 312 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: we're here, and it's a world championship. While we're here, 313 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out as well, it's not just all 314 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: the I guess mystique around Red Bull and being Max 315 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: for Staffen's teammate. Obviously those pressures will weigh on him, 316 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: but the context is that Sergio Peeris will replaced because 317 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Red Bull is at risk of losing the Constructors Championship. 318 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: So not only would you bringing Liam Lawson in effectively 319 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: a rookie to go up against Max Vestaff and add 320 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: one of the biggest teams in Formula One, but you're 321 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: also implicitly saying win us the constructors Championship, by the way, 322 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: and you'll be to do that, you're gonna have to 323 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: beat Lewis Hamilton and George Russelando, Noris Oskopiaspi, maybe the 324 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: Ferrari drivers too. That just seems like a big mistake 325 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: to me, which is why I actually think higher up 326 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the list, despite his lukewarm results this year, should be 327 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Ricardo. 328 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: I agree with you wholeheartedly on that, which is a 329 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: first Markenstein new calendar people, I'm boring, Yeah, I know, right. 330 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 2: Liam Lawson going to Red Bull is a huge ask. 331 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: Not because he can't drive the car. That's I think 332 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: the easiest part of the job. It's all the other 333 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: stuff that goes around it that is a distraction to 334 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: a new driver. A youngster coming in needs the opportunity 335 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: to focus, to learn, their to make mistakes. Liam is 336 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: a well credentialed, experienced driver, but he is still young 337 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: and he will make mistakes. Red Bull is not a 338 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: team that can afford mistakes at this point. When you 339 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: add in the media scrutiny that will be under having 340 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: replaced Sergio Perez mid season, all the marketing stuff that 341 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: Red Bull does as well, the intense schedule that you've 342 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: got towards the back half the year. It's a huge 343 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: it's a huge ask and I think, I honestly think 344 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: Redbel will be making a mistake. It's not that I 345 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: don't think Liam is capable. I think in time, giving 346 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: the right opportunity, he absolutely would be. But this is 347 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: the wrong opportunity, or at least the wrong scenario for 348 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: him to take that opportunity. What I think would make 349 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: more sense is, to your point, promote Daniel because it's 350 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: a little bit like Carlo Science and the driver market. 351 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: It's the least worst option in many respects, clearly the 352 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: correct and that was exactly where I was going, because 353 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: if they're not considering Sonota, if he's not being mentioned 354 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 2: in those conversations, there has to be a reason for that. 355 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: And it's clearly not his on track because he's delivering there. 356 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: So what is happening off track? 357 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: You know? 358 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: Is he a disruptive influence? Is he not communicative? Is 359 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: not that? There's something there. I don't know what it is, 360 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: but there's something there that's holding them back. Daniel of 361 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: course has operated at that level. Daniel knows the team, 362 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: he knows how to work under pressure. And also we 363 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: saw it at the tire test. And this is something 364 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: that I actually spoke to to my hewitoris w Rerecor 365 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: Andrew van Lewin about today. He's a racing driver in 366 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: his own own right, although midily a Formula forward level. 367 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: But I've got a theory on Daniel in that in 368 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: a reasonably well soorted car with good engineering support, that 369 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 2: can put that car in a narrow operating window for Daniel, 370 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: because I think he's got a narrow operating window as 371 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: a driver. If you can get the car in that 372 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: sweet spot, he can be brilliant. But if the car 373 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: is not in that sweet spot, which if you go 374 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: to a lesser team, the car has a narrower operating window, 375 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: and if you don't have the engineering support getting into 376 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: that operating window and more the point, Daniel's zone in 377 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: that operating window is more difficult and is more hit 378 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 2: and miss, which I think what we've seen over the 379 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: years that Reno McLaren and now be to an extent 380 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: because the days he's good, he's very good, he's world class, 381 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: as he always was. But the days he's bad, he's 382 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: seemingly nowhere, and without explanation for that, I think that's 383 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: the result of engineering and car set up, not necessarily 384 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: a reflection of a reflection of Daniels talent, because that 385 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: sort of stuff doesn't go away overnight. We saw that 386 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: in Miami and Austria. So I think put Daniel back 387 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: into a red bull environment where you've got a well 388 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: sorted car and some world class engineering support, and I 389 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: actually think you'll flourish. I really do. It's a big call, 390 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: and I don't have anything to justify that belief with 391 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: other than he's done it before, but that was arguably 392 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: a different Daniel. So it's interesting either way. No matter 393 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: what Ball does at this point, it's a gamble holding 394 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: on to Sergio. Well, you might be throwing away the 395 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: constructors or a championship putting a rookie in. You might 396 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: be doing the same thing bringing Daniel back, or you 397 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: might be doing the same thing. So what of those 398 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: three gives you the surest bet. I think Sergio has 399 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: two races to save his career. Conversely, I think Daniel's 400 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: got two races to save his career. And the reason 401 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 2: I say that is if Sergio isn't replaced by Daniel, 402 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: Daniel will be replaced by Liam and then it's a 403 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: ten race shootout between Liam and Yuki for the Red 404 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: Bull Drive for twenty twenty five and Isaac Hadja comes 405 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 2: into the sea to RB. 406 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: It's insane, isn't it That there's like the fifty to 407 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: fifty call with Daniel is that it either goes to 408 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: the reigning championship winning team or loses his Formula One drive. Yeah, Like, 409 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: what a bizarre context for the next two races. It 410 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: is really interesting. Just before you move on, you sort 411 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: of said, there, it's something I've been thinking about the 412 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: last day or so. Is that idea that Daniel might 413 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: do better at Red Bull Racing. It's something that he's 414 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: said several times that he said his late stage McLaren 415 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: career was only a couple of years ago, and increasingly 416 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: as well since, has been this idea that if he 417 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: has a winning car, he will win in it. He 418 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: doesn't miss when the car is competitive, and I personally 419 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: always thought I always viewed comments like that as being 420 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: a bit well, of course you will, like that's every 421 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: Formula One driver. If you have a car that's capable 422 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: of winning, you will probably win races. I mean, Sergio Peis, 423 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I guess, is disproving that theory a little bit. But 424 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's self evident and we know Ricardo is 425 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: a good enough driver that he can do that. But then, 426 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: thinking back, if you think even of his McLaren tenure 427 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: in those two years when he was on the whole 428 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: not very good, I think that's probably putting it politely. 429 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: The one weekend the car was capable of winning one 430 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: and then even the next weekend in Russia when Landon 431 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Norris almost won. He had what was excluding that Italian 432 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: Grand Prix, the weekend in which he won his best 433 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: result of the year, which was fourth, and he was 434 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: competitive in qualifying as well. At our b last year, 435 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: the best result the team got was his result in 436 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: Mexico this weekend. The best qualifying of any session was Miami, 437 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: qualifying fourth. The best Grand Prix qualifying was Canada fifth, 438 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: and he probably could have finished closer to fifth had 439 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: he not had that penalty for the clutch problem out 440 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: off the line. There is something in what he says, 441 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: as skeptical as I am about the way he keep 442 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: saying it, that actually, and I think you've actually summed 443 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: it up well, it is that narrow operating window when 444 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: things click, that's when we see that old Daniel in there. 445 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: And if you are red Bull as skeptical as it 446 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: does seem, they have been of his performances, you know, 447 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: comments a couple of weeks ago by both Peter by 448 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: the RBCO and Christian Horner sort of suggested, oh okay, 449 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: like he hasn't shown enough and he needs to show 450 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: a bit more. And I think that's fair but if 451 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: you're Red Bull you've seen a couple of good performance, 452 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: you must be it must be tantalized just to get 453 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: the final answer to put him in that car and 454 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: go all right, we might either way we will lose 455 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: the constructors seamleship. If Peris does it keeps underperforming or 456 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: you're not good like, we're done. Either way, we may 457 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: as well give it a go. So even like I'm 458 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: just curious putting the patriotism aside, I'm curious too, like 459 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to know what will happen. But it'll be 460 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: really interesting. I think the most elegant solutions. He goes 461 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: to Red Bull, and then Lawson gets ten races that 462 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: are b and then we decide at the end of 463 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: the year. Unfortunate for Sergio, but we will wait and see. 464 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: There's a lot riding on the next two races, which 465 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: we'll talk about in next week's podcast. Let's move on now, 466 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: I Matt though, by moving backwards in fact to the 467 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: British Grand Prix, the halfway point of the season, round 468 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: twelve of twenty four. My goodness, twelve race is still 469 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: to go, but Formula One seems to be getting better 470 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: and better this year. The British Grand Prix perhaps the 471 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: best trace of the season so far, certainly the most interesting, 472 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: I think, because we had three teams in victory contention, 473 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: had a bit of mixed weather, classic English summer vibes, 474 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: and it was Lewis Hamilton who now Lis Hamilton, winning 475 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: in Mercedes at the British Grand Prix. For many years 476 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: it sounded quite boring, but this one was very different. 477 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: In nearly a thousand days it's been since he last 478 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: won a race, dating back to Saudi Arabia twenty twenty one, 479 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: that Cursed Grand Prix. It was, of course one hundred 480 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: and fourth victory, he's record breaking ninth at one circuit, 481 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: that being Silverstone. More interestingly, perhaps other than that really 482 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: feel good story, was that Mercedes was genuinely very competitive 483 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: but one of the most testing circuits in Formula One. 484 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: So Matt is Mercedes back. 485 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 2: Now it's a big statement, isn't It's a big question, 486 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: But you'd have to say, on balance it probably is 487 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: because this sort of stems back to Monica, where it 488 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: introduced a new front wing that did something magical to 489 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: that car, and unless you've got your bum in it, 490 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: you're never going to know exactly what it's done, but 491 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: it's brought that car alive and ever since George Russell 492 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: has as delivered Wonders and Lewis Hampton to a lesser 493 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: extent up until Silverston, it must be said, but whatever 494 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton drinks the night before he goes to Silictin 495 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: over the years, it's against some drivers who just lived 496 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: at an event, and for Lewis that's a British grand prince, 497 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: a little bit like Nigel Manson was back in the days, 498 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: and it was just extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary what he's done 499 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: around that place over the years. But yeah, so we're 500 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: now what six or seven races in after Monaco and 501 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: Mercedes has been there or thereabouts. Take Canada out, you 502 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 2: know that he probably could and should have done better there. 503 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: But it won in Austria. Okay, it wasn't quite in 504 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: the lead battle, but it still had to be in 505 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: position to win that race. It beat Ferrari. Ferrari is 506 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: statistically the second best team in Formula One still at 507 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: the moment, only just but still so yeah, I think 508 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: we've got to say that we don't just have Ferrari 509 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: and Rebel or McLaren. Rebell We've got Red Bull, Ferrari, 510 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: McLaren and Mercedes. There's four teams on any given weekend 511 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: that can win. Now that the conditions in Silverson suited 512 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: the Mercedes, you know, the cooler conditions that tends to 513 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: light that lewis in that sort of almost wet, not quite. 514 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: He is absolutely supreme in those conditions. And the reason 515 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: he's one World seven World champions Ships was perfectly laid 516 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: bare for us. The guy as a superstar and he 517 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: he drove the wheels off the thing to win that race. 518 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: He didn't inherit it, he didn't play strategy or whatever. 519 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: He just drove a bloody good race throughout. Crucially, Mercedes 520 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: didn't make mistakes either, and that car was stronger than 521 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: the Rebel. I don't think it was as strong as 522 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: the McLaren, but it was stronger than the Red Bull. 523 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: Not the first time there was Selmplans won a race 524 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: by driving the wheels off a car. At least this 525 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: time wasn't. Laterally, he alluded there to Mercedes having a 526 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: pretty flawless performance and that backing up Lewis Hamilton's excellent 527 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: drive that compares fairly poorly or compares well compares pauly 528 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: for McLaren, who did have probably the fastest car on balance, 529 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: certainly at various points in this race it was the 530 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: fastest car, but made several mistakes that counted the team 531 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: as in its entirety, out of victory contention. First with 532 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri, who's fast becoming I think the unluckiest man 533 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: in Formula One. At the first pit stops he was 534 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: left out a lap too late, lost pretty much a 535 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: whole pit stops wort of time in one lap. Then 536 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: with Lando Norris by leaving him out too late, having 537 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: the wrong tie on his car, and then he also 538 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: made a mistake entering his pit box, cost himself probably 539 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: the crucial two and a half seconds that he rejoined 540 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the track behind Lewis Hamilton. This is now becoming a 541 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: little bit of a trend, and this might be something 542 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: we expand on next week, in fact, because I think 543 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: it's a bigger topic than we can sum up in 544 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: the last few minutes of this podcast. But it's been 545 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: several races now where you can count. Atlanta Norris has 546 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: been very open about this that McLaren had the folds 547 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: and resources to win and did not. This just seems 548 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: like growing pains, I suppose. Dozen it's been a long 549 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: time since McLaren's been a front running car. This year, 550 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: it isn't just occasionally good like it was last year. 551 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: It is good at every track. It's capable of winning 552 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: at every circuit, but it's also tripping up at most 553 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: of those circuits. 554 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, growing pains is a really good description, I think 555 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: because McLaren is a team that has won hundreds or 556 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: over one hundred races of World Championships in the past, 557 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: but they are for the most part, a generation or 558 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: so ago. We're going we're talking ten to fifteen years 559 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: ago that they've been a proper force. So they're doing 560 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: it having to do some learning, and when you're operating 561 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: against the best in the business, a small mistake is magnified, 562 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: particularly when it's as close as it is this year. 563 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: It's not like Red Bull last year, where you could 564 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 2: make a little mistake it wouldn't matter because you had 565 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: forty second lead. Now, if you make a small operational error, 566 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: you're going to lose a place or two or more. 567 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: McLaren made a few of those over the weekend. The 568 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: strategic call with leaving Oscar out for an extra lap. 569 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: I don't understand that one at all. It was clearly 570 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: deteriorating quickly in terms of the conditions. You bring him in, 571 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: you stack him, you lose two seconds. You know, he 572 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 2: could have even backed it up and mitigated that a 573 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 2: little bit. He was always going to lose no matter 574 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: what McLaren did at that point, he was going to lose. 575 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: So it's that favorite saying for this part. It's the 576 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: least worst option. You box him, you stack him in 577 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: there and if you know, if you do a really 578 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: slick pit stuff with Oscar, and chances are you going 579 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: to get him out almost uninhibited, a bit like Mercedes 580 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: did with Lewis and Vowtrie or was that back in 581 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: China a few years ago? But then the Lando thing, 582 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: that's just a lack of confidence, isn't it, Because that 583 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 2: was a decision I understand that was driven by Lando, 584 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: the guy who's in the seat, who sees each corner 585 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: once every ninety seconds or so, and has nothing but 586 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: the little periscope that he's looking out at the front 587 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: of his car on the pitwall. They see the entire track, 588 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: they see the way they're coming in, they see what 589 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: everyone else is doing. They've got vastly more information. They 590 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: are so much more informed. You know why even offer 591 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 2: him the solution Toto Wolf, I think it was a 592 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: Christian Horner said, you know, they had the perfect tire 593 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: there for the conditions. The soft you couldn't push. The 594 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: hard was probably a little bit too hard. But you know, 595 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: given that he needed to push to stay ahead or 596 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: probably pass Lewis, because I think even without sliding along 597 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: he was going to he's probably going to fall behind Lewis. 598 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: But with those new medium tires, he and Oscar were 599 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: the only drivers at the front of the race that 600 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: had that option, and Oscar showed, you know, he was 601 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: two seconds of lap faster than people. It's at various 602 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: points right up until Color of Science, when put the 603 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: softs on in the last lap or two to get 604 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: fastest lap, you know, Oscar was flying. It's a massive, 605 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: massive own goal in my opinion for McLaren and just 606 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: another sign that they're very close, but they're not yet. 607 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: There is as a championship force, if that makes sense. 608 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: Seems like it's mostly communication because you can draw a 609 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: line between the Canadian Grand Prix and this where they 610 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: just weren't communicating efficiently enough for him to pit in 611 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: that few seconds he had as he passed pit exit 612 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: as the safety card was called out, and that lost 613 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: him the Canadian Grand Prix. It was Alex Brundle, I think, 614 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: on Twitter, who compared the radio communications between Max with 615 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: staff and Lando Norris at the British Grand Prix, and 616 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: he suggested that at no point did Red Bull ever 617 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: ask Max what tire he wanted, because they were already 618 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: on the same page from either the pre race briefing 619 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: or because well, in actual fact, he only had a 620 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: new hard left, so I guess there weren't really any options, 621 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: but there was too much talk about which tie to 622 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: go on. Of course, you do want the driver to 623 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: be able to contradict the team occasionally or at least 624 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: give the opinion, but you should really be generally telling 625 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: him what the team's opinion is first and that's the default, 626 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: and then if he has a very strong opinion that 627 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: can be voiced in the same way I think Charloteclair did. 628 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: Actually at the first pit stops, although his opinion was wrong, 629 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: he pitted way too early for intermediates and that killed 630 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: his race as well. When he was running in the 631 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: points so definitely work to be done there. For McLaren, 632 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: we might dive a little bit into particularly Oscar Piastre 633 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: season so far in next week's podcast and how he 634 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: could have already had that long awaited first Grom free 635 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: victory by now had luck been a little bit more 636 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: on his side, because I think it's underrated how good 637 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: his season has been with the only one or two 638 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: exceptions tops. But that is a story for next week, Matt. 639 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: This is well nearly the end of the podcast because 640 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: we've got one new, final new segment and they are 641 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: our driver ratings or ratings, let's just call them the ratings. 642 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I'll let you kick this one off because while it's 643 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: been very big a couple of weeks and a very 644 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: big British Grand prein, and I'm interested to hear who 645 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: you've been rating or not. 646 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, So these are completely arbitrary, basically on our own 647 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: opinion of the weekend. They don't necessarily reflect the finishing 648 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: order or whatever. But essentially we picked three people and 649 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: award them a number of points. So I'll kick it off. 650 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: What do we alternate this and make it interesting. My 651 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: first name is Lewis Hamilton, and I've given him nine 652 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: points because nine is a number of British Grand Prixs. 653 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: Now one that's nice. I like that. 654 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: My first selection is the organizers collectively of the British 655 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: Grand Prix. I'm giving them negative one hundred and sixty 656 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: eight thousand points because the race was apparently sold out 657 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: despite tickets being available and being exorbitantly priced. I think 658 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: five times the cost of a ticket to Australian Grand 659 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: Prix and no very different events. To be fair, Australian 660 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Grand Prix backed by the state governments. Silveston's totally private enterprise. 661 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: But you know, if you can't sell out a race 662 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: in formula on these days, I don't believe I'm saying 663 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: that this year these days, well then I think you 664 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: might need to look at your prices. 665 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I like that. One hundred and six years. 666 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: That's going to tell you what they're gonna need a 667 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: big second half of the year. Make that. 668 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: At risk of being replaced halfway through the season. 669 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: But he tried that once, didn't he. So the second 670 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: name I feel might have been far too sensible here. 671 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: The second name I've got is is Nico Holkenberg, and 672 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: I've given him plus sixteen because that's a number of 673 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: points that he's scored in the time that it has 674 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: taken ser Jo Perez to score fifteen. 675 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I think that's very topical as well. 676 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm actually dating this next choice back a week because 677 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: we've been off the podcast for a few weeks, so 678 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: dating back to the Austrian Grand Prix, and I'm giving 679 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: negative ten points. I think all mine a negative Actually 680 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: that's isn't it? Negative ten points to the f one 681 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: graphics department who were based in the UK but misspelled 682 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: Great Britain on the big graphics that appear behind the 683 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: drivers in the post race interviews when they were highlighting 684 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: the next race. I'm still waiting for the Great Brittaian 685 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: Grand Prix. 686 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: So how many points were you penalizing them for. 687 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: Just negative ten because a type I've made the same hypo, 688 00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: so I don't want to visit you. 689 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's yeah, let's not talk about typeos. We've 690 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 2: all made them. We're all very sorry and we will 691 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 2: never live it down on social media again. Mine feels 692 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 2: a little bit sensible. Now, I'll turn you the score first. 693 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: It's minus forty three, okay, and it goes to McLaren's strategists, 694 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 2: because that's the value of a one to two finish. 695 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 3: Good because I. 696 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: Mean you're not including the point for fastest lap I 697 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: s ofpose, So that's all right, that is. 698 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: Very no, We're going to change it forty four minus 699 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: forty four for McLaren's strategists. 700 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 3: Very good. I like that. 701 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to take twenty five points off to Sonny Hayes, 702 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: the fictional character played by Brad Pitt in the upcoming 703 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: F one film entitled F one but not Knowing how 704 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 1: building a racing car works. Based on the one line 705 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: of dialogue we've heard him speak so far, I wasn't impressed. 706 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: I hope he lifts from here. May be risk of 707 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: being asked in the second half of the season. 708 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: They they brought him back, didn't they? 709 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 3: He has. 710 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: Yes, And in fact I've only just discovered this, so 711 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: people may be already onto this. But apex GP, which 712 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: is the fictional racing team, has a Twitter account and 713 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: at the end of last year it sacks Nick Devrees. 714 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: So I left four. Nick's been sacked. 715 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: In real life and in the fictional F one world, 716 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: so I don't know. 717 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: What's going on. It's worth going and finding it on 718 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: Twitter and having a read of some of the responses 719 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: to it because people actually getting really into it. It's 720 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 2: it's quicker. I'm looking forward to the side pot updates. 721 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: Apparently they've got coming worked well in Silverston. Yeah, I've 722 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: got a feeling that this isn't the only time that 723 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 2: Sonny Hayes is going to feature in this ranking system. 724 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: I'm on board with this. I think this is going 725 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 2: to work well. 726 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 727 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking for APEXGP signing Carls signed as well at 728 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: the end of the bring you that update as it happens, 729 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: because that's all the time we have for pit Talk, 730 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: or as we're calling it, the least Worse Option this week. 731 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,280 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week though, to preview the critical 732 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: final double header before the mid season break, starting with 733 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: the Hungarian Grand Prix. You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever 734 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: you get your favorite podcasts, and you can live us 735 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: a rating and a review, and you can keep up 736 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: to date with all the latest F one news throughout 737 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the week at both Fox Sports dot com Dot a 738 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: U and Speedcafe dot Com. From Matt Cosh and me, 739 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: Michael Lamonado, Thank you very much for company. We'll catch 740 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: you next week.