WEBVTT - Sharri | 2 June 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:03.199 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:10.680 This is Sharry Good Evening. The Coalition doesn't rule out 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.640 backing Labour's sup attacks. Deputy Liberal leader Ted O'Brian is 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.840 on the show tonight. He also faces my questions about 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.720 dumping or demoting for talented women. This is an exclusive 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.840 interview and it's coming up. The Trump administration demands Australia 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.520 lift its game on defense, but alban Easy says he won't. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.080 Joe Hudebrand and Steve Price shortly and to the horrific 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:40.920 terror attack in America. This towards a peaceful demonstration of 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.600 the hostages, supporting the hostages. This shows the reality of 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.640 globalizing the interfighter. I've got more to say about that 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.159 in a minute, and Ray Hadley joins me. He's going 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:56.120 to fire up at Chris Bowen's latest ridiculous plan green tariffs, 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.640 but first tonight, Albinizi is refusing to commit to boosting 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:05.720 Australia's defense spending, despite an urgent call from American Defense 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.920 Secretary Pete Hegseath. The Trump administration says Australia needs to 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:13.440 spend an extra forty billion dollars a year on the military. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.280 This would take our defense spend to three and a 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.039 half percent of GDP. Now Hegseth delivered this message to 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.840 Defense Minister Richard Miles directly in Singapore over the weekend, 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.959 and he gave these pointed remarks in his speech to 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.679 the Shangri La Dialogue. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.679 NATO members are pledging to spend five percent of their 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.960 GDP on defense, even Germany, so it doesn't make sense 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.680 for countries in Europe to do that while key allies 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.520 in Asia spend less on defense in the face of 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.600 an even more formidable threat. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.840 Now Miles indicated he was willing to discuss this, but 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.240 Albanezy has ruled it out. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.000 What we'll do is we'll determine now defense policy, and 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:05.160 we've invested just across the forward to an additional ten 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.080 billion dollars in defense. What we'll do is continue to 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:14.000 provide for investing in our capability but also investing in 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.040 our relationships in the region. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:22.840 And his position is despite other leaders globally increasing defense spending, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.600 Kirstarmer raised his military budget to two and a half 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.000 percent of GDP while cutting back on foreign aid in 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.560 order to do so, and that was before he met 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.160 with Trump in February, and kirs Starmer says his ambition 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:41.000 is to reach three percent in a second term. Now, 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.960 as you'll recall, the Coalition had pledged an increase of 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.760 defense spending to two and a half percent of GDP 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.080 by the end of the decade, with an aspirational goal 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.560 of three percent over ten years, and Labour's current spend 0:02:55.080 --> 0:03:00.840 is just two percent of GDP now. Even before the administration, 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:06.120 former defense and national security officials including so Angus Houston, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.240 Dennis Richardson, Michael Pizzullo, and Kim Beasley, had all called 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.000 for defense spending to increase to at least three percent 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.520 of our GDP, and so Albanezi is now under pressure, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.360 not just from the Trump administration, over our investment in 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.600 defense now. To be fair, an immediate jump to three 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.120 and a half percent right away would be difficult, would 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:36.040 be excessive, especially given our depleted budget position. We're heading 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.920 towards a trillion dollars in debt thanks to Labour's reckless 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.440 decision to pay hex debt in order to buy off 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.160 younger voters. But it's not so much a question about 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.680 the size of the spending, but what defense is spending 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.840 the money on. That's an equally crucial issue now. Defense 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.320 analyst Peter Jennings suggests that we need to grow the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.960 size of the army, the air Force, in the Navy. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.520 He says, we also need to buy a small fleet 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:08.000 of conventionally powered submarines as an interim stop gap, and 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.080 we have to secure our missile and air defense for 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.080 our nation. And it's not only heg Seth and the 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:21.200 Trump administration that's concerned about our military capabilities. You'll recall 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:26.400 the Australian Strategic Policy Institute's report just last week expressed 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:31.320 grave concerns about under investment our ability to keep pace 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.160 with future challenges, and it spoke of insufficient munitions and 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.279 missile and defense systems. It said we had an underdeveloped 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.200 domestic weapons manufacturing system. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.200 We need to be looking at what we can produce locally. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.000 We need to be looking at what the rest of 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.760 the world has been doing since Russia's war on Ukraine, 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.560 particularly in the area of cheaper, mass produced capabilities like 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.080 drones encounter drones. We have a number of companies in 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.920 Australia that have the ability to produce these capabilities. They 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.320 are cheaper, they can be mass produced, and they're able 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.480 to be done more quickly. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.000 And ass to be highlighted that for the cost of 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:16.000 a single Virginia class submarine, Australia could produce or could procure, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:22.159 over twenty four thousand Ukrainian made maritime strike drones and 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.000 they have a range of over one thousand kilometers. It's 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.839 precisely this sort of equipment that's so important for modern warfare. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.520 And you only have to look at what Ukraine was 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:39.480 able to achieve with similar drone equipment overnight, those Ukrainian 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:44.920 drones hitting more than forty Russian nuclear capable long range bombers. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:51.159 That single attack destroyed, it said, thirty four percent of 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.120 Russia's fleet of air missile carriers. And the success of 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.640 the attack came after Russia launched an air assault in 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.360 Ukraine last week, and we know that it's preparing for 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.440 a summer on slaught. Now that's the same sort of 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.159 attack Israel should also be launching, by the way, on 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:15.120 Iran's nuclear capabilities. Now, President Zelenski praised the strike. He 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.400 said it was Ukraine's longest range operation so far, and 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.359 let's hope we see more of it because Ukraine clearly 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.520 can't rely on the United States to always come to 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:35.520 its defense. And now to the devastating terror attack on 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.080 a rally to free Israeli hostages in Colorado. This was 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.760 a peaceful Sunday afternoon walk to show solidarity with the 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.919 hostages and their families. And there are still fifty eight 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:55.080 hostages held captive by Hamas a terror organization after more 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:59.760 than six hundred days. Now that shouldn't be controversial, of course, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.839 and Israelis kidnapped need to be freed. Yet an activist 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.600 yelling end Zionists and free Palestine launched what the FBI 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.720 has described as a terror attack on this peaceful protest 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:20.000 that included many elderly people. Here's how it unfolded. The 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:25.240 man firebombed the crowd of innocent Americans using molotov cocktails 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:32.960 and flamethrowers. People were set a light. It was mayhem he. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:34.920 On. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.560 Now. Six people were injured in this attack, but it's 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.520 the ages that get me. They were sixty seven to 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.960 eighty eight years old. The elderly eighty eight one is 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.520 in a critical condition. It's also been reported that children, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.640 some children suffered burns. Again, these are Americans. Nine one 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.920 one was flooded with emergency calls around one twenty six 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.840 pm and the suspect is an activist, Mohammad Solomon. He's 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.160 forty five. He was arrested by police at the scene. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.240 Now it's been reported, although not confirmed, that he was 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.320 an illegal immigrant who entered the US from Egypt during 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.280 the Biden administration. And Fox News says he overstayed his 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.320 visa and we. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.319 Can break to our viewers now per three senior DHS 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.040 and I sources to Fox according to our colleague Bill 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.320 Malusian doing some great work, that he is an Egyptian 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.320 national who is in the US illegally because of a 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.760 visa overstay, who came during the Biden administration. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.080 Now, the FBI is taking this very seriously. They had 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:04.800 this to say. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.800 This attack happened at a regularly scheduled weekly peaceful event. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.200 Witnesses are reporting that the subject used a makeshift flamethrower 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.280 and threw an incendiary device into the crowd. The suspect 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.400 was heard to yell free Palestine during the attack. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.480 An organizer of the event, Gene Unger, told The Wall 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.600 Street Journal that several members in her group were injured, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:36.160 including one who's a Holocaust survivor. She said, the next 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.400 thing I saw was big flames from behind me. There 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.120 was a woman on fire and people rushing to try 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.600 and help her, and other people had flames on their legs. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.360 And all this just a week and a half after 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:54.360 Sarah Milgram and Uron Lashinsky were murdered in Washington by 0:09:54.400 --> 0:10:00.120 a man also yelling Free Palestine. And this is the 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:05.360 face of the Free Palestine movement, vandalizing synagogues, murdering Jews 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.080 outside a Holocaust museum, and burning the elderly during a 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:15.280 peaceful walk. Jewish advocate Hen Mazi got it right when 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:18.600 he said that this free Palestine movement is nothing more 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.520 than a violent threat to Jews. He wrote on social media. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.000 You can't claim to be nonviolent and pursue the annihilation 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.360 of an entire country and its people. You can't claim 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.480 to be nonviolent and pursue ethnic cleansing of Jews. And 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.880 you can't claim to be nonviolent and attack people around 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:45.040 the world in the name of Palestine. And of course 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.319 he's right. Enablers say the current anti Semitism is only 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.080 because of Israel's actions over the past twenty months, but 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.520 don't forget that this global mass protest movement began immediately 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:02.840 after October seventh, before Israel had acted at all. It 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:06.120 was kickstarted by a massacre of Jews, the barbaric murder 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.880 of entire families as they begged for their lives in 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:15.400 safe rooms wearing pajamas, and that massacre was endorsed by 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.280 tens of thousands around the world who took to the 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:23.880 streets week in, week out from day dot Now, in 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:29.600 my view, this is the playbook that we're experiencing. Criticize 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.439 Israel with false claims of war crimes, famine, and deliberately 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:40.960 targeting civilians, turn Israel into the global oppressor, dehumanize Israeli's 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.959 call for an uprising that begins as a protest movement 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:50.520 and then morphs into a global into fada. Justify violence 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:57.920 against those who support Israel, against Zionists, against all Jews. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.560 This is what we're experiencing now. This is the current 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:08.400 wave of anti Semitism. It's inextricably tied with anti Zionism. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.760 AJACK executive director Colin Rubinstein said that Colorado and events 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.080 like it show the inevitable link between hatefield rhetoric and 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:23.920 hatefield violence erupting in our university's streets and media. The 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:29.640 Colorado attacker wanted to kill Zionists. Here in Australia, hatefield 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:35.520 rhetoric against Zionists is becoming normalized. And it's true that 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.000 the terror attacks, the violence, even the murder of Jews 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.400 in America and other Western countries are being excused by 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:48.560 left wing activists. The Australian reported how the assassination of 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:53.319 two Israeli diplomats outside a Jewish museum in Washington has 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:58.600 been met with a torrent of celebratory and incendiary responses 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:05.920 from high profile Australian pro Palestinian activists. Because this is 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:10.200 the reality of globalizing the intero Fata, we're seeing violence 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:16.040 against Jews excused. The world, I'm sorry to say, is 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.800 in a dark place right now. The left is morally bankrupt. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.560 I'm heartbroken and angry about it. I'm trying not to 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.880 feel despair for the future because the new wave of 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:33.520 anti Semitism is excused as a political protest movement, as 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.120 free speech, but it's no different. It's the same murder 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.720 of Jews, the same violence towards Jews that we've seen 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.760 in the past. The left can't pretend this is different. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.600 They can't turn violence into justifiable acts on account of 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:57.120 it being anti Zionism and supposedly fashionable. This is anti 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:01.000 Semitism and we can't let them get away with it. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.520 I'll come back to that topic a bit later with 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.559 Ray Hadley, but now let's bring in our panel as 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.959 always in a Monday Sky News host Steve Price and 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.320 Joe Hildebrand. How are you to you both, Good to 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.320 see you both. I want to get back to the 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.600 defense spending issue. This is clearly emerging as a conflict 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:27.000 between the Trump administration and the Albanezy government. Steve Richard 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.920 Miles seemed to be open to the idea of increasing 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.160 our defense spending, but the Prime Minister shut that down. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:34.760 Was he right to do so? 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.000 Well, I think Richard Miles was in a very difficult position. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.560 He was in Singapore and he's looking Pete Hesketh I 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.880 to eye and Heskeer says, look, the European countries are 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.120 all going to five percent, as you pointed out, Shari, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.720 that's their ambition anyway, but Australia is sitting in at 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.600 around two maybe get to two point three. Well, he's 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.040 had to look at Hesketh and go, okay, well, you know, 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.320 maybe we should will about it, and you know, we'll 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.160 try and get there. I mean, it's very different when 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.480 your eyeballing the person who is making the comments to you. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.040 And this is where it's going to be a really 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.240 interesting test for Joe's made Anthony Albanisi when he's sitting 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.600 face to face with Donald Trump and Donald Trump says, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.080 hang on, Pete Heskett told you you have to get 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.120 to two point five or three point five whatever the 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.160 figure might end up being. What is Anthony Albaniz he 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.200 going to say to Donald Trump? Well, he's not going 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.960 to say what he said publicly in Australia today, and he, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.040 rather foolishly, I think, believes that somehow Donald Trump won't 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:35.720 find that out. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.760 No exactly. I mean we've all got the Internet, that's 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.560 for sure. Donald Trump certainly has the Internet at his finger. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.840 It does. It's very proficient at it, Joe. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.320 The issue is that it's not only the size of 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.880 the spending, because billions have been wasted on old submarine 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.920 contracts and repaying the French, but it's also where we're 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.400 directing us spent to and this needs to be better 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.400 thought out, doesn't it. 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah, I think the biggest problem with Australia's defense capability 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.720 it's obviously built around submarines because we're an ireland nation, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.560 we're an island continent. And there's been basically three different 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.760 positions on submarines in as many terms of office. So 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.120 you had Tony Abbott going with Japanese submarines, then that 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.920 got scraped, Malcolm Turnba went with French submarines that got scrapped, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.760 and then we had Scott Morrison going with aucust submarines, 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.360 which I think are fantastic by the way, but it 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.520 means every time you change horses, you're adding another you know, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.960 five ten whatever years to the actual time when it 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.800 gets rolled out to the point where as you said, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.480 people are saying now we need indroim submarines while we 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.160 wait for the real submarines to come. But the issue here, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.239 I think Anti Albaneze has said that Australia will determine 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.760 how much it spends on defense, not America, and I. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.880 Think that is absolutely right. I think it is very unusual. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.200 I know Trump does things in very different ways and 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.640 there's a new normal, but normally one country doesn't tell 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.720 another country what to do. Normally, these are discussions you 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.440 would have behind closed doors at events like the G 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.600 seven that he is going to meet Trump at and 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.880 of course they're going to talk about defense spending, and 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.879 Alba will also be talking about Donald Trump jacking up 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.040 tariffs on Australian steel at the same time, just. 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.600 To point out, because I think that's a fair enough 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.720 point that America can't make demands of Australian policy and spending, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.000 but Australia is relying on America to come to our 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.600 aid in the event of some sort of military conflict. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:30.800 So you know, there is an argument for America to say, well, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.720 you guys have to pull your weight. You can't just 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.680 rely on us, and the demands of the United States 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:42.000 to step into foreign walls are increasing. Steve, Well, that's right. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.200 I mean, if you've got an ally and your best ally, 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.000 and we've been in every conflict with the Americans from 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.440 the beginning of time, you've got to pull your weight. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.119 And I think there's got to be a bigger discussion 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.120 here about is the Defense Department itself, and I'm talking 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.760 about the public servants and the generals that run that department. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.360 Do they actually know what they're doing? I mean, they 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.520 don't seem to be out there vocally lobbying to get 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.760 more money from the government. They might be doing it 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.520 behind the scenes, but if the Americans say, hang on 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.359 a minute, you're going to spend more otherwise, you know, 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.720 our relationship might not be what it should be. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.280 But the problem for the. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.840 Left is the left of the Labor Party hate the 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.399 fact that we rely on the Americans as allies in 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.359 any conflict. They'd rather be like New Zealand than pretend 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.880 no one ever wants to come here. Well, the difference 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:33.720 between us and New Zealand is we're loaded with minerals 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.160 that other people want. I mean, let's get real. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.360 And by the way, sorry to interrupt your while we're 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.440 speaking about defense spending, as you just mentioned, Steve, I mean, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.240 what about all the wasted money, the money that defense 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:51.920 are spending giving their personnel cosmetic surgery and boob jobs 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.200 and all sorts of other ridiculous Yeah. I mean, obviously 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:56.920 that tax pay shouldn't be funding. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.720 Obviously that looks pretty silly on the face of it. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.359 The difference is, of course, that when you are talking 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.240 about actual defense material that you know, buying a nuclear submarine, 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.280 the amounts are just so skyrocketingly eyewateringly huge. You could 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.240 cancel all the boob jobs and sex changes in the world, 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.320 and you wouldn't. You'd barely be able to buy a bullet. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.200 But I would just say Australia has proved its loyalty 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.520 to the US more than any other ally, including its 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.080 oldest ally France. We went to war with the US 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.760 in Iraq when France refused to, including the special relationship 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.919 it has with the UK. We went to Vietnam with 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.439 America when the United Kingdom refused to. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.080 I don't think under the al we'd be doing this 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:37.359 well Australia. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:42.560 What I'm saying is Australia has paid for its alliance. 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:42.520 With the years. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.080 And I'm half American, my father's American. I support America 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.320 one hundred percent. But Australia has paid for that alliance 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.959 with their blood, with our soldier's blood in wars that 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.240 other countries said has nothing to do with us. It's 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.320 not our fight, it's not our region. We think it's misguided. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.800 He could have said the same thing very easily. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:02.359 We didn't. 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.679 We stood up and we went over there and we 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.960 paid with our lives. So we've been extremely good our lives. 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.639 No, indeed we have. Indeed, now Barnaby Joys has called 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.280 for Kevin rud to be removed as ambassador after Trump's 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.840 latest plan to increase tariffs and steel and aluminium, which 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.040 of course would hurt Australian industries. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:25.480 Have a look Kevin Rudd is. Look, he's a good guy, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.159 but he's he's not kicking a goal in the United States. 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.600 There's a difference in the relationship between him and in 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.960 the Trump administration. I believe the first thing you've got 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.879 to do is give Kevin another job somewhere else. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.560 Steve, what do you think about this? 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.760 Well, I've had my say about Kevin run over and 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.920 over and over over many years. He and I don't 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:51.719 get on. I think Kevin's in the wrong job. It 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.320 was a captain's pick by Anthony alban Easy. It was 0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.280 when Joe Biden was still there and Labour was hoping 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.040 Kamala Harris would win the residential election. He's a square 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.920 peg in a round hole. Anthony Albanese should have the 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.240 courage to move him on. Find him, as Barnaby said, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.240 find him another job somewhere where he's better suited, because 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:15.119 he's obviously not kicking any goals at all in the 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.960 relationship with the United States. I mean the best person 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.520 we have over there and negotiate with Donald Trump's Greg Norman, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:25.480 which is ridiculous when we've got an ambassador living in Washington. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.720 So maybe Kevin's time is up. I think Barnaby's probably right. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:34.080 Yeah, indeed, And it's interesting to think had Kamala Harris won, well, 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.360 Dutton might be in power now you know that it 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.679 was such a big impact that Trump had on the 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:40.360 election here. 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.560 Yeah, absolutely, look at what's. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.240 Albaneze and Kevin's relationship like at the moment. 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:46.399 Joe good very strong. 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:49.840 Albaneze was one of the few lieutenants who remained completely 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:54.439 more says Kevin Rudd throughout the whole fiasco. And my 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.320 position was very much the same as Arbineza, which is whatever, Kevin. 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.160 As long as you're on the page, Joe. 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.800 No, no, no, But I mean I think the entire 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.320 Labour Party has actually come to the same conclusion belatedly. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.080 It took a decade out of office to do it, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:10.159 but that whatever Kevin Rud's personal shortcomings were, he was 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.560 the democratically elected Prime Minister of Australia. 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:15.880 He had a mandate and he shouldn't have been. 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:17.359 Removed in a first term coup. 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.560 My understanding is that behind the scenes a lot is 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.840 going on. I understanding he was instrumental in getting that 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.199 phone call between the PM and Donald Trump in the 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.080 twenty four hours after the tariffs deal were announced, that 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.240 that was a pre arranging. 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.560 Probably just waiting to see who would win the election 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.400 before he organized the f No, well. 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.000 I mean if Trump applied, I mean, if if Kevin 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.600 rud is not doing his job as ambassador, then no 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.840 other countries ambassadors doing their job either, because the same 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.920 tariffs were announced to every single country. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:49.000 In the world. 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:54.560 Sure, all right, Steve Price, Johoda Brandt. Great Now, As 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:57.520 you know, one of Susan Lee's first moves as our 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:02.800 position leader was dumping for talented women from shadow cabinet 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:08.119 in favor of either inexperienced replacements or factional allies. And 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.120 there are now fewer women in Susan Lee's shadow cabinet 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.400 than there were under Peter Dutton, the same number as 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.720 under Scott Morrison. This is despite her previous public demand 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:22.240 for fifty to fifty quotas for men and women. Now 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.639 I've interviewed Ted O'Brian. He's going to be on the 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.320 show later tonight. But Here's part of what he had 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.640 to say when I asked him about this issue. Isn't 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.320 it a bad sign that you needed as deputy leader 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.439 to make those calls on your second day after the 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.919 shadow ministry was announced. 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.320 Oh, Shari, I suppose partly, maybe as a deputy leader, 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:51.119 But in truth, it's just about relationships and speaking to colleagues. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.200 That's about Tetobrian trying to clean up the mess by 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.560 ringing around to calm the waters. Now among those dumped 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.720 from Shadow Cabinet is Tasmanian Senator Claire Chandler. She was 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.400 previously the Shadow Minister for the Arts, Government Services and 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:10.480 Sciences and Claire joins me on the show. Now, Claire, 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.800 thank you very much for your time. You achieved a 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.520 lot during your time as in Shadow Cabinet. How disappointed 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.320 have you been since you were told the news last week? 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:23.240 Oh? 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:27.320 Thank you first of all for having me on the show, Sharion. Look, sure, 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.679 I was certainly disappointed on Wednesday when I received the 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:36.000 news that I wouldn't be back around the Shadow Cabinet table. 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:37.880 But look, politics is. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.840 A game of ups and downs. As I think a 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.880 few of my colleagues have said over the last few 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.000 days and I'm only thirty five. I've just been re 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.760 elected to the Senate for another six years, and I'm 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.960 very hopeful that I'll have the opportunity at some point 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.639 again to serve around the shadow cabinet table. But for 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.280