1 00:00:04,140 --> 00:00:06,600 Sean Aylmer: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Daily Interview. I'm Sean 2 00:00:06,690 --> 00:00:10,139 Sean Aylmer: Aylmer. We love talking about drones on Fear and Greed. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,500 Sean Aylmer: It's an industry full of innovation, and Australian companies are 4 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:18,329 Sean Aylmer: doing some extraordinary things. Swoop Aero, for instance, goes beyond 5 00:00:18,329 --> 00:00:21,900 Sean Aylmer: the novelty of delivering pizzas by drone, instead using them 6 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:25,890 Sean Aylmer: to deliver hundreds of thousands of vaccine doses, medications, and 7 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:29,130 Sean Aylmer: other supplies. The company's been recognized by the World Economic 8 00:00:29,130 --> 00:00:32,310 Sean Aylmer: Forum as a global innovator. Eric Peck is the co- 9 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:35,520 Sean Aylmer: founder and CEO of Swoop Aero. Eric, welcome to Fear 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:35,970 Sean Aylmer: and Greed. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:37,710 Eric Peck: Thanks very much for having me, Sean. 12 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:41,580 Sean Aylmer: So you're former Air Force pilot. How do you go 13 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:43,260 Sean Aylmer: from that to drones? 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,459 Eric Peck: That's a very good question. Both my parents are accountants, 15 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:49,409 Eric Peck: so as you said, I did the natural thing and 16 00:00:49,409 --> 00:00:50,670 Eric Peck: joined the Air Force after school. 17 00:00:50,670 --> 00:00:51,630 Sean Aylmer: Naturally, yeah. 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,930 Eric Peck: After a university degree and a very short stint flying 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,390 Eric Peck: the Hawk fighter jet, I went on to fly the 20 00:00:57,390 --> 00:01:00,990 Eric Peck: Hercules, so the C- 130, based out of Sydney. I 21 00:01:00,990 --> 00:01:03,510 Eric Peck: did two tours of the Middle East, a whole lot 22 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:07,770 Eric Peck: of humanitarian work across Southeast Asia, but knew that my 23 00:01:07,770 --> 00:01:10,319 Eric Peck: future lay beyond the military and I wanted to expand 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Eric Peck: my skillset out of it. So I completed an MBA 25 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:14,490 Eric Peck: and made a move into the private sector where I 26 00:01:14,490 --> 00:01:17,880 Eric Peck: started off at a small consulting firm in Sydney, and 27 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Eric Peck: then ultimately moved to Deloitte in the strategy and operations 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,240 Eric Peck: team. And while I was at Deloitte, I met a 29 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,490 Eric Peck: robotic engineer who's now my co- founder, who was a 30 00:01:26,490 --> 00:01:31,050 Eric Peck: very well-known for industrial automation. So building either large- scale 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Eric Peck: drone aircraft that are custom- built, or programming things like 32 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:38,190 Eric Peck: other robots you see driving around warehouses. And as an 33 00:01:38,190 --> 00:01:41,520 Eric Peck: Air Force pilot and a robotic engineer, we got asked 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,990 Eric Peck: a question about whether a drone could move chemotherapy medication 35 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:49,559 Eric Peck: in the New South Wales Outback. The question came from someone who 36 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:52,650 Eric Peck: was working with, I think Western Health District in New 37 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:55,920 Eric Peck: South Wales. And it was really, the problem statement was 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,370 Eric Peck: a kilo of chemotherapy medication in a small esky a 39 00:01:59,370 --> 00:02:02,190 Eric Peck: hundred kilometers. And that's a really easy thing to do 40 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:05,430 Eric Peck: once in 2017, and it's even easier now. But we 41 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:08,010 Eric Peck: thought the real question was what does a system look 42 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:11,070 Eric Peck: like that can do that safely and very reliably a 43 00:02:11,070 --> 00:02:14,700 Eric Peck: thousand times a week? And everyone else was taking their 44 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:17,580 Eric Peck: toy drone and trying to make a delivery drone. And 45 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:19,260 Eric Peck: we thought what we should do is take that 70- 46 00:02:19,260 --> 00:02:21,750 Eric Peck: ton Hercules that I used to fly and shrink it 47 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:24,690 Eric Peck: down into an electric autonomous aeroplane, and then use software 48 00:02:24,690 --> 00:02:28,290 Eric Peck: to automate everything around it. And so in 2017, we 49 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:28,980 Eric Peck: founded the company. 50 00:02:29,790 --> 00:02:32,100 Sean Aylmer: Incredibly shrinking Hercules. 51 00:02:32,730 --> 00:02:33,540 Eric Peck: Hopefully, yeah. 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,079 Sean Aylmer: So I mean, don't get too technical on me here, 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,240 Sean Aylmer: Eric, but how do you do it? How do you 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,000 Sean Aylmer: get a 70- ton Hercules into a drone? 55 00:02:43,020 --> 00:02:45,869 Eric Peck: Well, I often joke that we built the unit economic 56 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:48,330 Eric Peck: model and the risk management plan before we even quit 57 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:49,410 Eric Peck: our full- time jobs. 58 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,160 Sean Aylmer: Right. 59 00:02:50,669 --> 00:02:54,090 Eric Peck: We thought that aviation, it's a very longstanding industry with 60 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:57,570 Eric Peck: a high degree of safety standards. And so we conceptually 61 00:02:57,570 --> 00:03:00,060 Eric Peck: thought that you needed a single airframe that could do 62 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:03,150 Eric Peck: multiple different types of missions, and not just delivery, but 63 00:03:03,150 --> 00:03:06,359 Eric Peck: also search and rescue and disaster response for emergency management, 64 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:08,669 Eric Peck: all within the one airframe. And then it needed to 65 00:03:08,669 --> 00:03:13,169 Eric Peck: be basically following all of the Industry 4. 0 principles. It's 66 00:03:13,169 --> 00:03:15,210 Eric Peck: got to be powered by a digital twin, it's got 67 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:18,240 Eric Peck: to have artificial intelligence on board, and then basically, much 68 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,730 Eric Peck: like the Hercules, it had to have multiple levels of 69 00:03:20,730 --> 00:03:22,830 Eric Peck: redundancy so that we could prove that, no matter what, 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,130 Eric Peck: the aircraft could fly really safely over an urban suburb, 71 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:29,400 Eric Peck: like inner city or Inner Melbourne, and also have all 72 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,669 Eric Peck: the characteristics necessary to serve the Outback in Australia. And 73 00:03:32,669 --> 00:03:35,640 Eric Peck: so we had this really unique set of product requirements, 74 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,220 Eric Peck: and we squished it all down into a small, very 75 00:03:38,220 --> 00:03:39,720 Eric Peck: intelligent electric aeroplane. 76 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:41,310 Sean Aylmer: So how big is it? 77 00:03:42,330 --> 00:03:45,270 Eric Peck: The aircraft itself weighs just under 25 kilos, and the 78 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:48,540 Eric Peck: wingspan's just under three meters, so it can land fairly 79 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:49,710 Eric Peck: easily in a car park. 80 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,870 Sean Aylmer: Wow, that is quite remarkable. And the aeronautics around it 81 00:03:55,140 --> 00:03:56,790 Sean Aylmer: is more like a plane than a drone. 82 00:03:57,450 --> 00:03:59,550 Eric Peck: Yeah, that's it. So it takes off and lands like 83 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:01,560 Eric Peck: a helicopter with a series of propellers that lift it 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,230 Eric Peck: upwards, and then they all stop and line up directly 85 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:06,150 Eric Peck: into the airflow, so there's no drag and nothing to 86 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:08,340 Eric Peck: hold the aircraft back. And then it flies forward like 87 00:04:08,340 --> 00:04:11,700 Eric Peck: a normal airplane up to 175 kilometers out and back. 88 00:04:11,700 --> 00:04:13,710 Eric Peck: So it's a long- range aircraft. 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,110 Sean Aylmer: Stay with me, Eric. We'll be back in a minute. 90 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,080 Sean Aylmer: My guest this morning is Eric Peck, co- founder and 91 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,040 Sean Aylmer: CEO of Swoop Aero. Okay, now, I have read some 92 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,100 Sean Aylmer: of the statistics on what Swoop Aero has done in 93 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:35,010 Sean Aylmer: terms of delivery, but take me through some of the 94 00:04:35,010 --> 00:04:38,490 Sean Aylmer: things you've done with this technology. Quite remarkable. 95 00:04:39,029 --> 00:04:42,510 Eric Peck: Oh, thank you. I mean, three employees in a garage 96 00:04:42,750 --> 00:04:45,750 Eric Peck: won the world's first competitive tender for medical drone delivery. 97 00:04:45,750 --> 00:04:48,000 Eric Peck: And so we were in a garage in Bayswater in 98 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,480 Eric Peck: Victoria, and we competed against 20 other companies around the world, 99 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,510 Eric Peck: a lot of Silicon Valley venture capital- backed companies at 100 00:04:54,510 --> 00:04:56,670 Eric Peck: the time, that were building all different types of technology. 101 00:04:57,210 --> 00:04:59,850 Eric Peck: But with this very, very strong product requirement in view, 102 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,700 Eric Peck: we won this tender. And so we went to Vanuatu 103 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:06,060 Eric Peck: for five months and delivered vaccines predominantly, but then picked 104 00:05:06,060 --> 00:05:09,210 Eric Peck: up samples and moved them around, and really honed in 105 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,610 Eric Peck: what a product needed to look like. And we also 106 00:05:11,610 --> 00:05:14,100 Eric Peck: had a team that we hired back at home continuing 107 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:16,710 Eric Peck: to build the technology. And I often joke that we 108 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:18,719 Eric Peck: raised that first venture capital round, and I was standing 109 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,050 Eric Peck: on an island in Vanuatu with a laptop in one 110 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:25,350 Eric Peck: hand, a phone to my ear in the other, briefing people through the financial model. 111 00:05:25,980 --> 00:05:26,400 Sean Aylmer: Wow. 112 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:29,849 Eric Peck: And so we grew the company out. We then won 113 00:05:30,420 --> 00:05:35,640 Eric Peck: subsequent tenders with different organizations, all competitive, in DR Congo, Malawi, Mozambique, 114 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,190 Eric Peck: and Namibia. And if I fast- forward to today, we've got 115 00:05:38,190 --> 00:05:41,010 Eric Peck: about 102 people on the team. We've been operating on 116 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:44,760 Eric Peck: the African continent continuously since 2019 now, so approaching the four- 117 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,789 Eric Peck: year mark. Our operation in Malawi is the biggest drone 118 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:50,850 Eric Peck: logistics network in the world and offers a full range 119 00:05:50,850 --> 00:05:54,390 Eric Peck: of services from medical delivery through to mapping and monitoring 120 00:05:54,450 --> 00:05:57,660 Eric Peck: emergency management and disaster response with a range of different customers. 121 00:05:57,810 --> 00:06:00,330 Eric Peck: The DRC has been operating for two years, so the Congo, 122 00:06:00,750 --> 00:06:03,989 Eric Peck: Mozambique for a year. We have an operation in Queensland that 123 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,350 Eric Peck: has been running flat out doing pharmaceutical to the door delivery, 124 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:09,419 Eric Peck: and that will expand with funding from the federal government 125 00:06:09,420 --> 00:06:12,900 Eric Peck: to be the biggest integrated drone services network in the world, 126 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:18,210 Eric Peck: covering initially 150,000 then 250,000 square kilometers. And we've got an operation 127 00:06:18,210 --> 00:06:20,430 Eric Peck: in New Zealand as well. So a lot of really 128 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:21,840 Eric Peck: exciting stuff happening all over the world. 129 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:27,510 Sean Aylmer: Yeah, it's incredible. How long, the journey time, can this plane, 130 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:28,950 Sean Aylmer: for want of a better term, I don't want to use 131 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:31,560 Sean Aylmer: a drone? You're calling it a drone, I presume, but 132 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,330 Sean Aylmer: it's kind of better than a drone, in a sense. 133 00:06:33,570 --> 00:06:34,770 Sean Aylmer: What's the word I should be using? 134 00:06:35,610 --> 00:06:38,789 Eric Peck: We call them kites because that is the name of the aircraft, but we're 135 00:06:38,790 --> 00:06:40,680 Eric Peck: quite happy with drone or aircraft, whatever's easiest. 136 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,360 Sean Aylmer: Okay, so I'm going to call it a kite. So I mean, how far can it fly? What's 137 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:45,990 Sean Aylmer: the journey time? 138 00:06:46,830 --> 00:06:50,130 Eric Peck: Yeah, so this aircraft can fly 175 kilometers in a single flight, 139 00:06:50,130 --> 00:06:52,289 Eric Peck: which is about 90 minutes in the air, and they're 140 00:06:52,290 --> 00:06:55,529 Eric Peck: designed to fly very fast. So our idea is that we can 141 00:06:55,529 --> 00:06:57,720 Eric Peck: move something from a point to the point at which 142 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Eric Peck: it delivers value as quickly as possible and get there 143 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,960 Eric Peck: right on time. And so that looks like 4. 7 144 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,200 Eric Peck: kilograms of payload as quickly as we can to the point it's needed, 145 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,780 Eric Peck: whether that's a search and rescue kit to someone in 146 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:12,840 Eric Peck: the water, or it's a spectral camera above a flood zone, 147 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:15,300 Eric Peck: or oxytocin to a mother that's just given birth at 148 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:17,430 Eric Peck: a hospital in Malawi. That's what we specialise in. 149 00:07:17,910 --> 00:07:20,730 Sean Aylmer: Wow. So Swoop Aero itself though, it's more than just 150 00:07:20,730 --> 00:07:24,300 Sean Aylmer: the kite. You're actually end- to- end as well. So 151 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:28,200 Sean Aylmer: you go and somehow procure the medicine, let's say, in 152 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,489 Sean Aylmer: Malawi and set it up, fly it out, and then bring it 153 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:33,270 Sean Aylmer: back. Is that right? 154 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,620 Eric Peck: Yeah, that's right. I mean, we design, prototype and manufacture 155 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:40,050 Eric Peck: the physical aircraft right here in Australia at our factory 156 00:07:40,050 --> 00:07:42,930 Eric Peck: in Port Melbourne, and we develop all the software that 157 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:45,720 Eric Peck: supports them as well. So everything in the technology stack 158 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,450 Eric Peck: is Australian designed and owned. We then build the aircraft 159 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:51,870 Eric Peck: and operate them all around the world using this technology stack. 160 00:07:51,870 --> 00:07:54,870 Eric Peck: And so we will embed ourselves with, say, the Ministry 161 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:57,660 Eric Peck: of Health in Malawi, or if we look at Queensland 162 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,930 Eric Peck: with the Darling Downs Health region and the Mater Hospital Group, 163 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,110 Eric Peck: and we basically move all their products for them, guaranteeing 164 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:06,810 Eric Peck: that we can improve their level of service or cut 165 00:08:06,810 --> 00:08:10,200 Eric Peck: the wait time down for pathology sample results or test results, 166 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,020 Eric Peck: or we can even deliver it out to your door, 167 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,360 Eric Peck: your prescription that you get from a telehealth appointment with 168 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,230 Eric Peck: a doctor. Our core goal is to realise the next 169 00:08:19,230 --> 00:08:22,020 Eric Peck: giant leap in how essential supplies and services are delivered. 170 00:08:22,530 --> 00:08:24,989 Sean Aylmer: I'm feeling really ignorant in this conversation, Eric, I got 171 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:30,600 Sean Aylmer: to tell you. Do you need a pilot to fly 172 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,390 Sean Aylmer: a kite or how many kites can a pilot fly 173 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:33,930 Sean Aylmer: at once? 174 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,429 Eric Peck: Definitely. I mean, so the initial aircraft we designed, we had one pilot flying 175 00:08:38,429 --> 00:08:42,120 Eric Peck: every aircraft, but we knew that to make this operation 176 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,679 Eric Peck: viable in the long term, we needed to be able 177 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,010 Eric Peck: to have the aircraft being effectively autonomous and having one 178 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:49,740 Eric Peck: pilot watching multiple of them. And so we call this 179 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:53,130 Eric Peck: approach human on the loop. And so as I sit 180 00:08:53,130 --> 00:08:55,920 Eric Peck: here right now, in Australia, we fly five aircraft with 181 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Eric Peck: one pilot monitoring them, and for the operation in Malawi 182 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,670 Eric Peck: and Mozambique and DRC, we have one pilot flying 10, 183 00:09:03,059 --> 00:09:06,450 Eric Peck: with an ultimate goal of working closely with CASA, the 184 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:09,690 Eric Peck: aviation regulator in Australia, and the Federal Aviation Administration in 185 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:11,670 Eric Peck: the United States, to get that number towards one pilot 186 00:09:11,670 --> 00:09:13,800 Eric Peck: flying 30 aircraft at the same time. 187 00:09:14,610 --> 00:09:18,059 Sean Aylmer: Wow, incredible. So that's where you are now. Now, well, 188 00:09:18,059 --> 00:09:21,510 Sean Aylmer: not one for 30, but you are delivering medicines around 189 00:09:21,510 --> 00:09:24,600 Sean Aylmer: the world. What next? I know that you recently turned 190 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,869 Sean Aylmer: down a takeover offer worth about $ 100 million, or at 191 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:30,870 Sean Aylmer: least reportedly worth about $ 100 million. You obviously have great 192 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:32,400 Sean Aylmer: faith in the company. What next? 193 00:09:33,270 --> 00:09:36,059 Eric Peck: Yeah, that's right. I mean, we think we can do fantastic 194 00:09:36,059 --> 00:09:39,390 Eric Peck: things with an Australian- built, an Australian- manufactured technology that 195 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:42,359 Eric Peck: we're exporting to the world. And so our core goal 196 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,230 Eric Peck: as a company is to deploy a series of these 197 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,960 Eric Peck: drone services networks around the world, starting with the one 198 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,530 Eric Peck: in Queensland and then moving to Victoria, then Switzerland to 199 00:09:52,530 --> 00:09:56,250 Eric Peck: Canada and the United States, and reach a billion people 200 00:09:56,250 --> 00:09:59,130 Eric Peck: in the year 2030. And that's what we're really focused 201 00:09:59,130 --> 00:10:02,040 Eric Peck: on as a company. And if I backtrack that to 202 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:05,640 Eric Peck: towards the end of 2025, we'll end up having 10 203 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,429 Eric Peck: networks operational all around the world in high- income countries, 204 00:10:08,429 --> 00:10:12,180 Eric Peck: an additional six networks operating across the African continent, and 1, 205 00:10:12,660 --> 00:10:14,970 Eric Peck: 200 aircraft out in the wild doing flights every day 206 00:10:14,970 --> 00:10:17,040 Eric Peck: to unlock the potential of the sky. 207 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,770 Sean Aylmer: Wow. I mean, the potential is enormous, and we've been 208 00:10:19,770 --> 00:10:22,620 Sean Aylmer: talking a lot about the health benefits, but there must 209 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:26,040 Sean Aylmer: be huge amounts in disaster relief and all sorts of 210 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,660 Sean Aylmer: things that I can't even imagine at the moment. 211 00:10:28,110 --> 00:10:30,120 Eric Peck: Yeah, that's right. I mean, the full range of services 212 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,110 Eric Peck: we offer includes medical transport, first responder and emergency response, 213 00:10:34,110 --> 00:10:37,290 Eric Peck: but also mapping and monitoring a data collection. We do 214 00:10:37,290 --> 00:10:39,240 Eric Peck: a lot of work with the agricultural sectors both in 215 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Eric Peck: Australia and overseas. Emergency management, so we work with some 216 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,910 Eric Peck: government organizations here in Australia and then the likes of 217 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:48,150 Eric Peck: the World Food Programme, UNICEF and the World Health Organization 218 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:50,550 Eric Peck: on the African continent, and then all the way down 219 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:53,429 Eric Peck: to being able to move generic everyday supplies and even e- 220 00:10:53,429 --> 00:10:58,050 Eric Peck: commerce supplies for people like postal services or e- commerce providers. 221 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:01,170 Eric Peck: What we do as a company is we are able 222 00:11:01,170 --> 00:11:04,530 Eric Peck: to either increase the level of service or reduce the 223 00:11:04,530 --> 00:11:08,640 Eric Peck: cost of the current level of service, while decarbonising part 224 00:11:08,670 --> 00:11:11,730 Eric Peck: of an organisation's supply chain or the way it delivers services, 225 00:11:11,730 --> 00:11:12,690 Eric Peck: which is really exciting. 226 00:11:13,290 --> 00:11:15,390 Sean Aylmer: More fun than flying a Hercules? 227 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:20,130 Eric Peck: Flying the Hercules was a lot of fun, but having 228 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:24,240 Eric Peck: an awesome team working towards this amazing goal of reaching 229 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,970 Eric Peck: a billion people in the year 2030, I don't think I could 230 00:11:27,179 --> 00:11:28,500 Eric Peck: be choosing to do anything else. 231 00:11:28,830 --> 00:11:30,630 Sean Aylmer: Eric, thank you for talking to Fear and Greed. 232 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:32,010 Eric Peck: Thank you very much. 233 00:11:32,309 --> 00:11:35,010 Sean Aylmer: That was Eric Peck, co- founder and chief executive officer 234 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:37,380 Sean Aylmer: of Swoop Aero. 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