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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Fitzi and whipp A podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm really fascinated by this book, No Finish Line. It

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Speaker 2: is called and we know him from that cheeky Trader.

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Speaker 2: He went on to The X Factor, then went on

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Speaker 2: to have an amazing acting career and his battle with

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Speaker 2: brain cancer.

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Speaker 3: Johnny Ruffo joins us in the studio. Now he's here.

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Speaker 4: Always good to see you, Mane Jilly.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts of the studio. You've done the

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Speaker 2: rap a couple of times over the years. You did

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Speaker 2: an a cappella rap one year. Remember you didn't even

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Speaker 2: have a beat. You just did it off your head.

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Speaker 1: I had to couldn't remember it.

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Speaker 3: You were just making stuff up. But that's what I

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Speaker 3: love about you, Johnny. I mean we talk.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's bigger topics.

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Speaker 1: Of course, brain cancer.

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Speaker 4: There's more to Johnny Ruffo than the brain cancer. But Johnny,

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Speaker 4: you're brave. Like, don't get me wrong, there's been raped.

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Speaker 4: But what about the time he came in and said,

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Speaker 4: oh well I might come back in again soon. Guys,

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Speaker 4: we went what do you want to do? And you went,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, stand up comedy?

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Speaker 5: How that stand up show? We couldn't air that, could

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Speaker 5: we But.

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Speaker 4: We had some of it a little bit like minute we

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Speaker 4: got Johnny doesn't do stand up, and then we filled

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Speaker 4: the boardroom full of nova stuff and you came in

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Speaker 4: and did a tight five and it was bloody funny,

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Speaker 4: all right, it was goods Richard Freeman did.

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Speaker 3: Didn't heard calendar? Richard Calendar helped your Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 3: that's right, it was good.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference between a lentil and a chick pee?

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's the difference between a lentil and

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Speaker 4: a check Get.

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Speaker 5: Your finger on the dump button.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't let a lentil on my face. It's a

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Speaker 1: good gag that.

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Speaker 4: It's a nice opener if you've got a Johnny chase it.

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Speaker 4: I thought you wanted to dump up Johnny Organ. Sure.

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Speaker 1: How long is it on here? Like? How many?

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Speaker 3: About eight seconds? And it's a good joke.

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Speaker 4: It's a nice icebreaker, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It, Johnny? Johnny wasn't hard. Let's talk about your memoir.

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Speaker 3: I mean you didn't read no, yeah, the one that

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Speaker 3: I was just reading it backwards.

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Speaker 2: You've just given it to me now as you've rocked up.

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Speaker 2: But was it someone approached you to do this, or

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Speaker 2: did it take a while before.

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Speaker 3: You went, yeah, no, I don't really want anyone to

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Speaker 3: know about my life. Or did it take a while

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Speaker 3: to get you over the line?

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Speaker 1: A little no, no finish line finished, No finish line,

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Speaker 1: no finish line, A little bit of both. You know.

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Speaker 1: I've been approached a couple of times to write a book,

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Speaker 1: and I'd kind of wanted to write a book as well,

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Speaker 1: but a few people had said, are you too young

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Speaker 1: to write a book. But I'd always thought I've done

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Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, and then eventually.

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Speaker 3: An amazing life.

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Speaker 1: Eventually my management and a few people had convinced me

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Speaker 1: that you've done enough. Man, You've done so much in

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Speaker 1: such a short period of time. You know, did the

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Speaker 1: X Factor You're dancing with the stars Home and Away?

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Speaker 3: Remember the High Vis?

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Speaker 2: Remember they made you perform in the High Vis. No

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Speaker 2: on X fact factor in factor when you first started,

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Speaker 2: because that was a great story. The trading, who had

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Speaker 2: the trading, who came out of nowhere?

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Speaker 3: No, and you were you were the Laricet. You can't remember?

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Speaker 2: Can you?

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Speaker 3: Can you remember any X factor at all?

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Speaker 1: X four?

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Speaker 6: Do you know what Robbie Williams talks about making up

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Speaker 6: stories and interviews.

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Speaker 5: You can just claim that now you're going to make.

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Speaker 1: Them up for you, But can you remember I don't

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Speaker 1: remember performing in a high views.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: But the thing about all the things you've done, Johnny,

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Speaker 4: is like they're extremes or what's the better wording. They're

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Speaker 4: exceptional opportunities for anybody to do. So for you to

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Speaker 4: and Away, they're not things the average person does, so

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Speaker 4: they're a huge achievement. So it makes sense to write

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Speaker 4: a book to share the story of what you've gone

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Speaker 4: through and where you're at now for other people that

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Speaker 4: and just too. There's a huge level of bravery about

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Speaker 4: what you've done.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, before, before everything happened with my brain cancer, I

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Speaker 1: felt somewhat invincible like that every time I have a

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Speaker 1: I was kicking goals left front and center or just center,

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Speaker 2: So when you when you were when you got the

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Speaker 2: brain cancer was there was there a side of you

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Speaker 2: where you were like, this not going to beat me.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to beat me. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: kick another goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to a degree, I felt that, and then it

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Speaker 1: just felt like everything came crashing down and it was

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Speaker 1: a horrible feeling. You know, you get that diagnosis, and

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Speaker 1: even when I went in to receive the diagnosis, I

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Speaker 1: felt as if the oncologist had the impression that I

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Speaker 1: talking about treatment and I'm like, oh, so it's malignant.

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Speaker 4: talking about the treatment.

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Speaker 2: I went, yeah, did you because you you, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you would use humor in those situations.

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Speaker 1: I use humor to get through everything, like I use

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Speaker 2: So you said that as a joke and so it's

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Speaker 2: malignant and they said yes.

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Speaker 1: The on college was like yeah, oh my gosh right,

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Speaker 1: and that was me yeah, and I'm like oh okay,

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Speaker 1: And I had that just sunk, like I had to

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Speaker 3: There waiting for another joke. But you didn't have it

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Speaker 1: Your joke, and I'm like, oh, okay, and I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there like I've got cancer and the oncologists are just

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Speaker 1: because I'm in this other world. You find to process

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Speaker 1: the fact that I've now got cancer, and it just

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Speaker 3: I bet it is. How many years is it?

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Speaker 1: Boy? And since that, well, it was twenty seventeen, August seventh,

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Speaker 4: I remember, Johnny, when you first came in five yep

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Speaker 4: after the diagnosis, and you were here with your beautiful

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Speaker 4: mum and you said, you said, oh, I'm all.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's mamaho's bloody worried about me.

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Speaker 4: And I remember thinking, yeah, I can imagine as a parent,

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Speaker 4: you know, that's your kid. How's she holding up? Now?

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Speaker 1: She is all right, She's okay. Some stupid artic cocaine

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Speaker 1: out saying that I'm going to vow to fight to

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Speaker 1: get to Christmas this year, Like what stupid artist's Rightly,

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Speaker 1: I don't really have control of what's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: but I am staying strong. You know, I'm doing everything

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Speaker 1: I can. I'm doing everything I can?

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Speaker 3: Are you doing everything? Is your is your goal?

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Speaker 2: Just to create as many memories as you can with

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Speaker 2: mum tany you know your family before you go?

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Speaker 3: Is that is that your goal?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's my goal. I think I

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Speaker 1: just want to just stay strong and do when when

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Speaker 1: I say when people say do everything you can, all

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Speaker 1: you can do is follow the doctor's orders.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do your chemo, your medication and everything

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Speaker 1: else you can that they advise you to do. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty much all you can do. And in doing that,

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Speaker 1: that's all you can do. And you feel horrible, as

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Speaker 1: in physically you feel sick, you feel nauseous, and to

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Speaker 2: Yep, have you done anything? Have you any experiences? Have

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Speaker 2: you tick Bucket listed items.

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Speaker 1: Off many a lot of them prior to receiving diagnos.

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Speaker 3: Of course, Well, this is what this book's all about.

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Johnny. Can I ask are you are you angry?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are you pissed off?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I'm definitely not happy about it, of course.

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Speaker 4: But you would feel you couldn't help but feel a

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Speaker 4: sense of being robbed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely do. I'm angry about There's so many

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Speaker 1: There's so many feelings that are just balled up. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you don't know what to feel. I'm sad, but there

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Speaker 1: are still days where I'm happy. Like Tany and I,

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Speaker 6: How do you deal with the moment though, where you

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Speaker 5: What do you do? Because there'd be plenty of people

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Speaker 1: I think the best advice I could give is to

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Speaker 1: around yourself with an incredible support network is the first

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Speaker 1: thing you need to do. And for me, initially that

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Speaker 1: that's tiny. She's number one. Like for me, she has

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Speaker 1: been the rock at the center of my universe, Like

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Speaker 1: a planet anymore? Is?

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Speaker 3: They wrote it off? If you're doing an orbiting issue,

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Speaker 3: I think you're.

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Speaker 1: Not that that's Alistair Clarks and then it's still coming

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Speaker 1: so far a chance, he's no chance.

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Speaker 3: That's why he's not a planet.

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Speaker 4: No, you're the new coat on.

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Speaker 1: I reckon, i'd have a crap.

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Speaker 4: Would give me a season. I'll get him back up.

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Speaker 2: But see, you know what's he's a beautiful little thing

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Speaker 2: for you, though. Johnny rocks up this morning, he goes,

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Speaker 2: I've got it. I've got an Uncle Toby's musically bar

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Speaker 2: That's that's your breakfast for this morning. That's your beautiful

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Speaker 1: Have you no's to eat? Supposed to eat when you

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Speaker 1: have your medication? Right, And she gave me these Uncle Toby's.

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Speaker 1: But she's like, babe, make.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or during not June after, just make sure you

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Speaker 1: eat it before you go on there.

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Speaker 6: Think you just give us a speech about listening to

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Speaker 6: what other people tell you to do.

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Speaker 3: A doctor might as well be Yeah.

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Speaker 1: She's oh man, she knows so very much about everything.

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Speaker 1: Without her, I would be screwed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a superstitar.

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Speaker 4: Johnny can ask a question and tell me if I'm

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Speaker 4: asking too much here with the situation you've spoken about,

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Speaker 4: how it has been told to you that it's terminal. Right,

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Speaker 4: I'm a huge believer in miracles. I'm a huge believer

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Speaker 4: there a strategy in place closer to if things were

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Speaker 3: Does that exist?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that's the case. I mean, terminal just

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Speaker 1: means that there's nothing currently available you to cure the

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Speaker 1: cancer that you have. So it doesn't mean that nothing

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Speaker 1: else is going to become available. Course, so who knows,

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Speaker 1: with a bit of luck, something might.

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Speaker 4: No finish line, mate, right, no finish.

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Speaker 1: Line, things like, it's not the end of my story.

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Speaker 1: That's God why, that's why it's called no finish line.

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Speaker 3: Book is chapter one and it's not the last.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say, guess you got it upside down

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Speaker 2: at the moment acknowledgments and I'm having a bit of

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Speaker 2: a cray.

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Speaker 1: That's at the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we get to mention the way that you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Tany is just beautiful, mate.

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Speaker 2: And it's not the last time, because we've booked in

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Speaker 2: to come next week to do a stand up comedy

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Speaker 2: routine in wraps.

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Speaker 1: I've got some crackers.

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Speaker 3: Can you've started with the gear?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just thinking about another one.

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Speaker 4: Uncle Toby's out of this.

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Speaker 2: We love you, mate, We love you. The new book,

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Speaker 2: No Finish Line is out now. You can get it

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Speaker 2: in any good bookstore. Johnny, thank you.

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Speaker 3: For havingly good bookstore. Good Books.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, it's great to see you.

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