1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Paul Taylor. Welcome back to the You Project, my friend. 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: I know that we're recording. Thank you for having me. 3 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I did nearly get caught. Well I did know 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: nearly caught. 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: I was about to introduce show everyone, and there's this 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 3: little thing that you've got to do. I mean, look, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: I'm no technical giant, but apparently you've got to press 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: the button that says record before you start talking on 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: a podcast. Usually Melissa or Tiff or someone who's smarter 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: and better than me does that. But stupidly they gave 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: me the control today. But fuckingly fuck we're under way, 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: we're recording. It's been an interesting time of late on 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: Planet Taylor. You and I have had a bit of 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: a chat, like we've chatted on the phone a bit, 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: but even I don't know all the story. 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, tell us what's been on on for you? 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 4: Well, on Monday, the twentieth of January, I had open 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 4: heart surgery to correct day at birth defect what's called 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 4: congenital heart defect. And I'm very lucky actually, and I 20 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 4: think the first lesson here is you got to be 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: proactive about your health. And fortunately for me, I play 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 4: soccer with a cardiologist and Monday I was sitting with 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 4: him and I said, hey, ma, I want to get 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: the full mot's. Actually that's a British term and that's 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: where you get your car all a big luck. 26 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: I said, what so you know and he said, look, 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: come and see me. We'll do the lot. 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 4: So did everything, basically, did the stress test of cardiac MRI, 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 4: all of that, and he came back and he, you know, 30 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: talks about the plumbing, the electrics and one other thing. 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: Can't remember, but anyway, he was going, like, your heart's 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: in good ship, you very fit. However, you have a 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: i cuspared aortic valve rather than a tri cuspared aortic valve, 34 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 4: and we need to do a little bit of investigation. 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 4: So what that means is that the aorta that's the 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 4: main artery and so you're left centrical pumps blood through 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: that ardy to the rest of the body. And the 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 4: valve a one way valve that's supposed to have three 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: leaves a try cuspard. Mine had two leaves. And what 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 4: happens over time is it doesn't shot properly, so as 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 4: the heart pumps the blood out, some of it regurgitates 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: back in. Right, So they had to do some further 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 4: investigation and find that I had significant regurgitation. 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: So this was that you need to get this. 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: Done and now, but soon, and I went, let's just 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 4: do it straight away. 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: So when when did you all? 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 4: Right? 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: So the operation was January twenty, When did you get 50 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: this information? 51 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 4: I got the information about a year earlier. 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: That's when we first noticed someone was wrong. 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 4: I would have done the operation quicker, but I went 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: and checked my health insurance and I was covered for 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: a lot of stuff, but not aortic valve, not hard 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: valve surgery, and it would have cost me probably fifty grand, right, 57 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 4: So I had to upgrade my think and in weigh 58 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: it for a year. Look, the reality is there's probably, 59 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 4: all in all, maybe. 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: A six month delay, which was fine. 61 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: But by the time I ended up getting in my 62 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: actually surgeon say to me, your regurgitation level was over 63 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: fifty percent, right, which means that I was working on 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: half capacity basically, Yeah, and what symptoms? 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: What symptoms did you have a year ago? And what 66 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: symptoms did you have pre of right? 67 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: So a year ago I had no symptoms whatsoever because 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 4: my regurgitation was significant but not horrendous. Look, I reflecting 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: back and probably, you know, my fitness had gone. I 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: was playing soccer, and last year, because Kira was playing, 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: I was playing over thirty fives, right, and I'm fifty 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: three now. But because Kira started playing on a Sunday, 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 4: I then stopped playing in the and a me and 74 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: of mine who was coaching another team, said hey, how 75 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: about you come over and play. 76 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: For us on a Saturday because I know you're free. 77 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: We got a lot of. 78 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: Young boys, but they need a couple of old heads, 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: so me and a tyrone went and played for them. 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 4: So that was open the inch, right, So it was 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: quite interesting playing against the eighteen year olds. But on reflection, 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: you know what, I really noticed my speed was just gone, 83 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 4: and that's the first thing to go. But actually I 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 4: think the heart had a fur bit to do with 85 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: that on reflection, but I didn't really start to notice 86 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: overtly any symptoms. 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: I'm prove probably November. 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, oh yeah, I'm starting to notice my 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 4: exercise capacity in December and I'm thinking maybe this is psychosomatic. 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 4: But certainly January, whenever I came back from the UK 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 4: and was going again the CrossFit, I was way downing, 92 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: like way dying and he said. The surgeon said to me, yeah, 93 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 4: your regurgitation was over fifty percent. Once your regurgitation hit 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 4: sixty percent or so, you start to develop heart failure. 95 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: Right. 96 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: I'm not a catiologists, but I'm thinking of block with 97 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: a congenital heart dayfect. You probably not be sprinting on 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: a soccer field year olds. 99 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: So, and it's really interesting because there's a bit of 100 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: a trade off. Right. 101 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: So the first thing I wanted to do, I actually, 102 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: let's reflect back, and you know some stuff that that 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 4: I saw I learned was you got to be careful 104 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: what you pay attention to, because what you pay attention 105 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: to creates your narrative and your belief systems. 106 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 2: Right. 107 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: And as whenever my correologist told me that I had 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: to have open heart chargery, I remember going out and 109 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: getting into the car, and I sat into the car 110 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: and the words of Seneca, the historic philosopher came to me. 111 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 4: I pity the man who has not faced adversity, because 112 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 4: he is not faced an opponent, and nobody, not even him, 113 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: knows what he is capable of. 114 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: Right. 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: So I went straight home and I wrote on my 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: bathroom mirror worthy opponent. Right, because historics talk about finding 117 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 4: a worthy opponent to challenge and test you. And I 118 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: wrote beside it my training program that I was going 119 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: to do to really get myself on tiptop shape. The 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: other thing that that came to mind, I've got a 121 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: good a guy called Rege ex Lieutenant Colonel Special Forces 122 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: for Australia. He was a very very senior guy in 123 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 4: the First Iraq War. He was the first Australian to 124 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: go into Qait and I remember having a conversation with 125 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: him and saying, man, how did you feel? And he said, look, 126 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: there was clearly a bit of anxiety going to warris Is, 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: but the overwhelming emotion was this perverse sense of excitement 128 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 4: because this is what I trained for. And as I 129 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: was driving home that just came into my head and 130 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: it just went, this is what I've trained for, and 131 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: so I've chose to view it as a challenge. And 132 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: that's why I'm saying you got to be careful what 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: you pay attention to, because, as you know, I'm doing 134 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: my paid steel and resilience and particularly something called heartiness 135 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: and listened to a lot of stoic philosophy over the years. 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: So straight up way, because of all of that input 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: into my brain. 138 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: My first instinctual reaction was, this is a challenge and 139 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: I need to lean into it, and I need to 140 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: embrace my worthy opponent, right, and all sorts of. 141 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: Negativity that come into your head, because. 142 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 4: Obviously there is some negative stuff that comes into your 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: head that that fucking woul is me the whole victim mentality, and. 144 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: I just nipped that in the button. 145 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: Then the other thing that came to mynd straight away 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: was that Carli's idea from Japanese psychology of arigamama, with 147 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: things as they are, what needs to be done. 148 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, on a level, it's like stimulus response, right, So 149 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: there's the thing that happens, and then there's what you 150 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: do about the things that happen. Ye, So here's what 151 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: I know now based on what I know. Now, what 152 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: am I going to do? 153 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: Now? 154 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: That's right, it's kind of you know, it's exactly that. 155 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 4: And so from you know, looking at that negative and 156 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 4: you've got to do a bit of a risk assessment, right, 157 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 4: So so I think again, in my background in Helico, 158 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 4: we always did a thorough risk assessment. 159 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: And I remember from my time in that you know. 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: What's the likelihood of it happening and what's the impact. 161 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: So I did all the research, you know, we decided 162 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: to do something called the Ross procedure. 163 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: I went and saw the surgeon, so he give me 164 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: the options. 165 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: Right, one was mechanical valve and you'd be on warfare 166 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: and blood Tenner's for the rest of your life. I'm like, nah, 167 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: it's the other one is a tavvy, which is where 168 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: they just go. 169 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: Through the thigh and they have this. 170 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: Fucking awesome, this little sort of balloon thing that goes 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 4: right up to your aota and they inflate at the 172 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 4: valve and it pushes your own out of the way, 173 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: and there's this like false valve. But he said, look, 174 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: you're not going to be able to exercise a maximum 175 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: capacity if you get a tavvy. And the issue is 176 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 4: they only last for about ten years. And you can 177 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 4: have a tavvy on the tavy on the tavvy and 178 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 4: that's you. So if you want to live more than 179 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: thirty years at tavy's not your thing. And then he 180 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: talked about the Ross procedure, which is quite a rare 181 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: one but is now the preferred one for people my age, 182 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: which is more complicated. What they do is they cut 183 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: out your pulmonary valve, which doesn't do a lot of work. 184 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: Right, that's my surgeon said to me. 185 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: It's under about five millimeters of mercury pressure. You know, 186 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: your blood pressure one twenty over eighty, and that's what 187 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 4: your aorta is under your pomonary valves under bugger all. 188 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 4: So he says, what we do is we harvest that 189 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 4: because it's your valve and it hasn't worked very hard, 190 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: and we put that into your aorta. 191 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: We cut out your aortic valve. 192 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 4: We put your own pulmonary one in there, and then 193 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: we put a donor valve into your pulmonary He says, 194 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: it's a harder, more complex operation, quite a longer recovery, 195 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 4: but a much better prognosis in terms of long term. 196 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 4: So I'm like, that's the one I want. And I 197 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: went and researched everything to do with it. Obviously, then 198 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: research the death rates less than one percent, and I thought, well, 199 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: that so really reasonably good, and for somebody who's fit, 200 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 4: I guess it would be about one on a size 201 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 4: and risk, which is pretty bloody low, right, I'll take 202 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: them risk. But when you're actually faced with that, like 203 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: if you were going walking out the house and they went, Craig, 204 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: there's a one assize and chance you're going to die today. 205 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: It starts to sort of change your mentality a little bit. 206 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'll be doing door dash and over rates 207 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: to my house. 208 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. But so it's like, well, okay, so what do 209 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: I need to do? 210 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: Right, You've got to sort out all our first chat 211 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: to Carly, you know, I had a life insurance policy, 212 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: had the conversation with Carly about you know, what I'd 213 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: like to be done with the kids, all of that 214 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: sort of stuff. And then, you know, the hardest thing 215 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 4: in all of this was then filming some videos for 216 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 4: my kids just in case. Was definitely lea the hardest 217 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 4: thing of all of it. But I think the other 218 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 4: the real lessons for me was, you know, you've got 219 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 4: to embrace this stuff as a challenge, right, and embrace 220 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 4: it and focus on what you can control. 221 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: And the other thing I did a shit heap of research. 222 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: I've gone to. 223 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: See my surgeon, I'm both my cardiologists and they said, look, 224 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 4: you need to take six weeks. 225 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: Off work, like six weeks get away. 226 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: And started looking into it and it said, like everybody's 227 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: fucked for six weeks and I looked into it, about 228 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: ninety five percent of people they end up anemic, right 229 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: because of you. Yeah, a lot of people are aren't 230 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 4: going in because of the heart issue. But then you 231 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: lose a shit heap of blood, right, and they have 232 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: to thin your blood. So they operation's pretty frigging amazing 233 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: what they do. So they cut your chest open with 234 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 4: a saw, fries it open, and then they clamp your 235 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: heart and they bypass it, right, so all the blood 236 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: gets bypassed from your heart so as they can work 237 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: on it, and then they thin it and it goes 238 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: through like a false lung that oxygen eats it, and 239 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: then they bring it back in on the other side 240 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: so as it goes around your body, right, which is 241 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: frigging amazing stuff. But what end up is you lose 242 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 4: for a bit of blood and they have to thin 243 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: your blood, so you end up with bugger all iron. Right, 244 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 4: So part of my thing was I need to get 245 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: my iron up right, and I'm so glad I did. 246 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: Right. 247 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: So my hemoglobin levels which are supposed to be one 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 4: thirty to I think one seventy or something like that 249 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: host operation. Five days post operation, they were down at 250 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 4: about ninety then and then about ten days ago they 251 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 4: were up at one hundred and seven. Wow, So I'm 252 00:13:54,520 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: glad that I did that stuff. I also did research 253 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 4: and found that there was a prebiotic that you could take, 254 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: which I had the order from the UK, that massively 255 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 4: improved your gas strow intestinal function, because that's another reason, 256 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 4: because your guts are just screwed because you know, they 257 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 4: carpet bomb your gut microbiome, and obviously there's a lot 258 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 4: of stress. 259 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: So I took that pre and when I was in 260 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: hospital and I restored. 261 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: My biofunction within two or three days, and they were 262 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: they were shocked. 263 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, So you. 264 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: Know you would have thought you and I'd be chatting 265 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: about your pooing on a podcast, and who would have 266 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: thought that I'd be proud of you for backing one 267 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: out so quickly. 268 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Well done. 269 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: All right, So just to give our listeners context, as 270 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: we recall this, it's the twelfth, So my calculations are, 271 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: it's twenty two, twenty three days since the operation. 272 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: Correct. 273 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: Clearly you're not having six weeks off work because I know. 274 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: You've already had enough. 275 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm meant to say this, you've already traveled and made 276 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: doing work right. 277 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: And it's not like that was yesterday, that was a 278 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: bit ago. So what was their kind of projected recovery 279 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: for you? And how have you compared? Like how has 280 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: it actually worked out? Like what are you right now? 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: So my sergeant and my cardiologiys book said you got 282 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: to take six weeks off work, right, and then they 283 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 4: give you this book and it's like after four weeks 284 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: you can hang washing out, don't lift anything other than 285 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: one to two kilos for I can't remember it was 286 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: six or twelve weeks, right, I've already done a light 287 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 4: weird training session, but it was twelve weeks before, you know, 288 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: return to full function. But they said six weeks before 289 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 4: you can go back to work, maybe late off as 290 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: studis if you're lucky after four weeks. 291 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: And I'm just looking at that going now and. 292 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: So we're we're three weeks now, you're. 293 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: Tight, We're we're three weeks. 294 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 4: So day seventeen, I flew to Sydney, got a tree 295 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 4: into the to the central coast, ran a tow our workshop, 296 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: and then came back home in a day. 297 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: So that was I hope. 298 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: I sat, it's not listening to this, but yeah, I 299 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: think you just boy, did you warranty? But I you know, 300 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: that was my target because that boxhod been booked in penalties, 301 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: Like do we need to cancel this? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 302 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 4: not cancel it because that's my target. 303 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: And so I was. 304 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 4: Incrementally going, here's what I need to do on the 305 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: gateway right fourteen days. 306 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: I need to be doing this on the Monday. 307 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 4: I need to be able to record a twenty minute podcast, 308 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: and then I need to be doing I need to 309 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: do on the Wednesday. 310 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: I was showing Tuesday, two days before. 311 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: I need to be doing up around ten thousand steps 312 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: and so I did that and then I took an 313 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 4: easy day on the Wednesday, Thursday, I traveled up. 314 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: I also made it again. 315 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sitting I'm sitting to get to the 316 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 4: airport out of a driver and I'm sitting in the plane. 317 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 4: I'm sitting on the tree in it's you know, it's 318 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 4: travel still a bit tiring. But I got a hotel 319 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: room because I had two and a half hours, So 320 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: I got a hotel room and had a sleep and 321 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: that that really helped. So I did the workshop and 322 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 4: was fine, and then came home. I was tired because 323 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: I didn't get home till half eleven I think it was. 324 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: And I was pretty frigging tired. And I earned my 325 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: bed that day, and then the next day I had 326 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: a real rest day. But then Saturday I felt great. 327 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: Right. 328 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: So, but I have also been I've been more invested 329 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 4: in my recovery than I think probably anybody would be. 330 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: Right. 331 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: I've got a red light panel. I was doing red 332 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 4: and near infra red light therapy every single day. 333 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: I was doing saunas. 334 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 4: I started off just with five minutes because it's good 335 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: for your cardiovascular system. I've also taken a whole heap 336 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: of supplements Klinac, which is has been clinically proven to 337 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: combat inflammation and oxidative stress. So I knew I got 338 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 4: my sareactive protein measured right, They don't measure in the 339 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: hospital because it's off the chart. So she reactive protein 340 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: for the listeners is a level of inflammation in the body, 341 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: and my whole history was it's less than one, and 342 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: they like it to be less than five. It's above five, 343 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 4: you're in trouble, you're inflamed. Mine was fifty seven last Saturday. Right, 344 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 4: So I knew that my body was just a really 345 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: low and really low hemoglobin inflamed like crazy, Like my 346 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: resting heart rate had gone from the mid forties to 347 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: high eighties. So I know, I'm just in, you know, 348 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 4: a sympathetic state. Your body's just fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting, 349 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 4: and so it needs did all the help that it 350 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 4: could get, you know, as well as the glinag. I 351 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: was taking circumen, which is anti inflammatory. I was taking 352 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: fish oil. I'm taking beef liver, which is the best 353 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: source of iron with vitamin C. I'm taking zinc, I'm 354 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: taking vitamin D, I'm taking B vitamins. And then I 355 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 4: actually been working with an integrative doctor and I went 356 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 4: and got an infusion and IV of gluedacione. It's called 357 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 4: a Myers cocktail, so glued tocione hide those vitamin C, 358 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: B vitamins, zinc, and magnesium, and after that I felt 359 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 4: fucking amazing. 360 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 3: Tell me about through this journey cognitive function. How's your 361 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: Brian going? How was your Brian going in the first week? 362 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 4: Then I never had any issue like I was in 363 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: the I was in the in the hospital. 364 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: I've got a video that says otherwise. 365 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 4: Overally, Ah, that was that was under the influence of 366 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: a fair bit of morphine, but within by So I 367 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 4: got out of ICEE. 368 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: You. 369 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 4: I mean I was reasonably like Monday night, I hardly 370 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: remember Carly was there, oscar was there, and I might 371 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 4: woke up on Tuesday, I'm like, were they there? 372 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: And then I talked to the surgeon. Did he do 373 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: the ross procedure or not? 374 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: Because you know, there was still he had to check 375 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: the geometry when he went in there, so you know, 376 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 4: Tuesday it was like, yes, we were there, and yes, 377 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 4: you did get the ross procedure right. So but then 378 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 4: I see my cognitive function was fine, and I was 379 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 4: doing some work on my PhD in hospital because I'm 380 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,239 Speaker 4: doing a lot of sitting around. But yeah, I had 381 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 4: an interesting experience in hospital. You know, I've always said 382 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 4: hospitals are dangerous places. I don't like them. I don't 383 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: think they're optimal for recovery, and that was certainly the case. 384 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: So I got out of ICEE. 385 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: You. 386 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: I think it was here Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. 387 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: I got put in a room on Wednesday and had 388 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: a fur bit of sleep on Wednesday, but it did 389 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: a fair bit of walking. I did I think about 390 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 4: twelve hundred and fifty steps, which was reasonably good. 391 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 2: Thirsty I was feeling quite good. 392 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: I did over three thousand steps, and I'm thinking, actually, 393 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 4: I'm doing quite well. I mean, the breathing was really hard. 394 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: But in Thirsty Night, I had a fucking night from hell. Right, 395 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: So I was in this room where the rcon was 396 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 4: super large. Right, So there's a bit of a bit 397 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: of context to this. And as you know, a lot 398 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 4: of the listeners don't know. When I was in the military, 399 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 4: I went through combat survival of resistance to interrogation training, 400 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: which was ten days of pretty hard core stuff. You know, 401 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 4: they don't give you any food for ten days, they 402 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: thrash the life out of you, and then for five 403 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 4: days you get hunted by a hunter force in them. 404 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: When you think it's all over, you're introduced to the 405 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: shock of capture. And then we spent twelve hours hoo 406 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: did in this room in stress positions which are fucking evil, 407 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 4: with white noise at the volume you'd hear music in 408 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: a nightclub, right, and that ever since then, kitchen fans, 409 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 4: bathroom fans, ceiling fans. 410 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: I fucking hate them. I hate them with a passion, 411 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: like if there's a fire. 412 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 4: I walk into a room and I feel a bit edgy, 413 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: and then I realized. 414 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: The fans on the kitchen fan. I turned it off. 415 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: I'm like, ah. And the only ongoing argument. 416 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 4: That we have is the ceiling fan in the in 417 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 4: the bedroom because Cornie loves it and I detest it. 418 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 2: So she would go to. 419 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 4: Bed early put the ceiling fan on, and then I 420 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: come to bed and I turn it off because I 421 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: just can't sleep with a ceiling fan. 422 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: And this thing was so loud. 423 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 4: And I was laying there on Thursday and I'm I'm 424 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: a side sleeper, and you can't sleep on your side 425 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: when you've had your chest cut open, right, So by thirsty, 426 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 4: I'm starting to get like massive paying all the way 427 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 4: up my back and neck and stuff like that. 428 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: But then I'm lying trying to sleep on thirsty. 429 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 4: Night, and that fan get in my head big time, 430 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 4: and I'm actually, I looked at my sleep I got 431 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: not one minute of sleep on thirsty night, and I 432 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: was lying there and it just it fucking really got 433 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 4: in my head. And I'm like, half the time I'm 434 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 4: back in that room in fucking stress positions. 435 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: I think the peeing in the back you know, it 436 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: all amplified and. 437 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: Wow, it's trauma. It's trauma, it's literal trauma. 438 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean Cardie says, that's PTSD. 439 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 4: I think it does a disservice to people who have 440 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: reaped real PTSD. But it's I would describe it as 441 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 4: very unpleasant memories. 442 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: And it took me back there. 443 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: Right. Some people might be listening to this going do 444 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: this fucking PTSD, but you know not, I really just stuff, 445 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: but it really, it just fucking warned me up like 446 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 4: a spring. And Carli came in on the Friday and 447 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 4: she's like, Jesus, I've never seen you like this. And 448 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: she actually said to me, you've got to channel your siege. 449 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: And she thought I was going to bite her head off, 450 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 4: and I went, oh, fuck it, right, because my gremlin 451 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 4: is running the show. So for those who are not 452 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 4: familiar with this, me and Carli have this concept of 453 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: siege in gremlin. Gremlin's that negative thing in your head, 454 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 4: all the negative self talk, blah blah blah, everything. 455 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: That's negative, and siege is your best version of you. 456 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 4: And she actually joted me out of that because I 457 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 4: was I was I was at a ship state on Friday, 458 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 4: I was going to check myself out and all sorts 459 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: of stuff. 460 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to get out of here. 461 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 4: I have to get out of here. And she's just like, 462 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 4: pull your fucking head in and be your siege. So 463 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: they ended up and I went and saw them and 464 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 4: said can we move? 465 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: Can we move rooms? And they moved me to another room, 466 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: which was a shit a little better and that was 467 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: really helpful. 468 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 4: But then and on Saturday that the plan was that 469 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: I was going to get home on Saturday, and then 470 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: the cardiologists came to see me and he said, look, 471 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 4: I don't want to let your home because he said, look, 472 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 4: you've had a little bit. 473 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: Of VT ventricular attack of cardia. 474 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: And which is normal. You know, it's only a problem 475 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 4: if you hit thirty seconds. Mine were two seconds. There 476 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 4: was just a couple of little things, he said. But 477 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 4: your rejection fraction, because they did an echo, was only 478 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 4: about forty percent, right, and they like. 479 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: Mind people, what just explains people? Rejection fraction? 480 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's when you're when your ventricle contracts, like 481 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: how much of the blood actually gets out and around 482 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 4: your body, And mine was at forty a typical one. 483 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 4: Most people walk around fifty to seventy percent, right, and 484 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: they like it post up to get sixty. 485 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: So they said, look yours a bit low. 486 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 4: It's understandable because you've had the Ross procedure, which is 487 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 4: more traumatic. But given those two things, he said, I 488 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 4: want to put you on this drug Ammy of their 489 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 4: own right, and that will just kill off those those 490 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: little taki cardias and just give you the best chance 491 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 4: of recovery and you can go home tomorrow. And I 492 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 4: rather stupidly and didn't ask what you should ask on 493 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: every medication, What are the side effects? What are all 494 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 4: the side effects? High often those side effects? And if 495 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 4: there's bad side effects, is there any alternative treatment? 496 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: Right? 497 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 4: So I got a dose of the drug sorry after 498 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 4: anoon or Saturday evening, and then on Sunday another one. 499 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 4: And I woke up Sunday and I was feeling shit harsh. 500 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: So I'm like, fuck, I've gone backwards here, And. 501 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: Then Cardy was was was there her and Oscar visiting 502 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: me and then they left and I they get out 503 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 4: of bed, and I thought I need to get up 504 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: and move because they tell you you need to move. 505 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: And there was this walk that I was doing, lots of. 506 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: Down to the fish tank back down, and I was 507 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 4: kind of doing laps, so I thought I'll just walk there. 508 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: I walk slowly, and I was walking. I was really 509 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: struggling to walk, and my breathing was labored. And I 510 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: got to the fish tank and I sat down. 511 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, fuck, I'm screwed, and this this guy walked 512 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 4: past me and he went, are you okay? And I went, nah, 513 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 4: I'm not okay, and he said, okay, let me go 514 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 4: and get a chair. 515 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: They got a chair, and that's when I twigged this, 516 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: this is the drug. It's just white man. 517 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 4: And I told him he was obviously a senior medical guy, 518 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: and I just went, I'm not taking that tug again. 519 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 4: And he brought me back and he said to the nurse, call, 520 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: call the cardiologists, stop that medication, and let's get him 521 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 4: in the bad I'd get him monitored. 522 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 2: And then it really hit me. 523 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: So this drug on me, on their own is a 524 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: sympathetic nervous system suppressant. 525 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: But I had a bad reaction to it. 526 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 4: It dropped my heart rate low, dropped my blood pressure, 527 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 4: and I was being monitored and my breathing fuck, I 528 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: was struggling to breathe and I was lying in bed 529 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 4: Saturday night and I was frigging her or someday night, 530 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: I think this was. It was her rndous and I 531 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 4: was in pain. I could hardly breathe, and I was 532 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 4: trying to move and then get up, and it was 533 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: so people and I'm just like, you just got to 534 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: get through this, you just got to breathe. They came 535 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 4: and they did an EKG on me at four in 536 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: the morning, and the nurse was like, ooh, this has changed. 537 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: And then I'm just trying. 538 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: To just say and get through the morning, doing all 539 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 4: my breath work, trying to control it. And then I 540 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 4: managed to get some sleep and I woke up and 541 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 4: I thought, actually, I'm starting to feel a bit better. 542 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: And she came in. 543 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 4: My heart rate had gone back up, my blood pressure 544 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 4: gone back up. She checked my EKG and she said, oh, 545 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: you're back to normal. 546 00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: Man. 547 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: So then the cardiologist came in and he said, look, sorry, 548 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: that clearly didn't work out as planned. He said, the 549 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: good news is that your VT's all gone. And he 550 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: said the bad news is you've obviously had a reaction 551 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 4: to that drug. So you're not going home today because 552 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: we need to observe you, and I went incorrect, I'm 553 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 4: going home. 554 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: She did, Can I just can I pause you? 555 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the middle of the night because the first 556 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: night you had no sleep. All the second night so 557 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: you had zero minutes sleep. And then when you're when 558 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: the shit hit the fan and you got to the 559 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: fish tank and you're rooted in the and then you 560 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 3: were in agony and you couldn't breathe. 561 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: And did you at any moment think is this it? 562 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: No? 563 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 4: No, I didn't, because I knew I was being monitored. 564 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 4: I knew I was having a reaction to the drug. 565 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 4: I'd looked the drug up at that stage on a 566 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 4: drug data pius. I knew that it paked three to 567 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 4: seven hours afterwards. But then I started reading the fucking 568 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 4: side effects. Twenty percent of neurological issues, twenty percent of 569 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 4: pulmonary issues, Seventy percent of people who are on it 570 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: long term have to come off it because of the 571 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 4: side effects. Right now, it's normally used for people with 572 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 4: life threatening arrhythmias. 573 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: But you know, he decided to use it on me. 574 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 4: I've heard a cardiologist said he used a sledge hammer 575 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 4: to crack a knot. But you know it is it 576 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 4: is what it is. I get the reasons that he 577 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: did it, and I didn't give many shit. I was 578 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 4: just like, and he was apologetic. I just went, I'm done, 579 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 4: I'm out of here. 580 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: Because I looked at my sleep as well. 581 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: I had in five days, I had a total ly 582 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 4: at our sleep track of my sleep, and I'm like. 583 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: That's that's going to kill you without the surgery. 584 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly my thinking. I'm I'm massively sleep deprived. 585 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 4: I cannot fucking sleep in this hospital. They've given me 586 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 4: sleeping tablets to work. I'm like, I've got insomnia. I've 587 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 4: got industrial insomnia here that is massively driving inflammation and 588 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 4: oxident of stress in my body. 589 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: I know all the negative effects of sleep. 590 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 4: The food is shit in this place. It is so 591 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 4: low protein. You know protein, as you know you need 592 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: more protein when you're sick. I ordered steak and it 593 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 4: was about fifty grams of steak. And then the next 594 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: night I ordered pron linguini. I thought I'd get some seafood. 595 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 4: There was two fucking prawns on it. There would have 596 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 4: been about five grams of protein in the main meal. 597 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, and the. 598 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 4: Ox there's no fresh air in this place. I'm not 599 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 4: outside in nature. 600 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: You know. If I go home, I'm out looking at 601 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: the water. I'm in a great environment. 602 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: I can release all of my back and all of 603 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 4: that stuff. 604 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: I'll get sleep. So I'm just like I'm out here. 605 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys have lost the right to be 606 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 4: in control all of my recovery. 607 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 2: That was my view. 608 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: My surgan didn't take it too well. We had a 609 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 4: bit of a robust conversation, so we say, and I 610 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 4: just said to him and he had his run and 611 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 4: I said you done? 612 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: And he said yeap, And I said, I'm out of here. 613 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said, thanks for your feedback. 614 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: So you I was. 615 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: My man had a heart attack and he's a diabetic, 616 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: and he was, I don't know, three or four days 617 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: post top open the art surgery. And I'm in standing 618 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: next to him and one of the catering staff brings 619 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: a snack and the snack is scones and cream and 620 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 3: jam for. 621 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: An tarabatic fucking love it. 622 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 3: And I'm like, who's I'm like, oh, he can't eat that. 623 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: She's like why, I go, well, he's a diabetic. 624 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: It says it right there. And she's like, oh, well, 625 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: I just bring what they tell me to bring. I'm like, 626 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: well take that away. My old man's like, shut the 627 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: funk up. 628 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: So CARDI was bringing in my food. 629 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 4: Lucky enough, there was a Vietnamese across the road, so 630 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: she was bringing me in a protein cheek with a 631 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 4: hypercollagen and berries and all of that stuff. 632 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: And then I was getting my food from the Vietnamese. 633 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 4: I was getting far from across the road and stuff 634 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: like that. So I didn't eat in the hospital again 635 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 4: from my think Thursday or Friday. But I was just like, 636 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 4: and you know, some people go Jesus, that was irresponsible. 637 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: But I knew I was out of the woods. 638 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 4: I knew I was out of the woods, and I 639 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: knew I had to get out of there for my 640 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 4: sanity and for my recovery as well. 641 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: If ten out of ten is you when you're normal 642 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: and healthy and fit and strong and robust, like two 643 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: years ago, you with no symptoms, just healthy, that's you. 644 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: Ten out of ten? What do you reckon you are 645 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 3: at the minute as we record? 646 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 4: Look, I'd say I'm probably a five right, so normal function, talking, walking. 647 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: Moving around. 648 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 4: When I get up, I'm got to be a little 649 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 4: bit careful because my blood pressure I had to stop 650 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 4: my blood pressure medication, so they put me on three 651 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: different heads, aspiring a blood pressure medication, an SGL two 652 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 4: inhibitor the strengthen my heart, and the blood pressure. I've 653 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 4: been taking my blood pressure four times a day and 654 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 4: it was getting really, really low, so I've stopped that. 655 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 4: So I've just got to be worry if I spring up. 656 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 4: But you know, normal function, I can walk around and 657 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 4: go up and down the stairs, go right for a walk, 658 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: but you know I'm doing half our walks every morning. 659 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 4: Going up a hill is really interesting, right. I hit 660 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 4: one hundred and three beats a minute and I'm in 661 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: zone three right, zone three, zone four. I'm breathing, starting 662 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 4: to breeze really heavy. That used to be one hundred 663 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,959 Speaker 4: and twenty two beats a minute just when I. 664 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: Was doing that. 665 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 4: So, but that I think is a combination of my 666 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 4: ejection fractions still not there, and my hemoglobin and iron 667 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 4: are are really low. Right, So if you've got low 668 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 4: iron and low hemo globe, and anybody who's anemic knows, 669 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 4: you've got fucking no energy. And also I'm feeling the 670 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 4: cold and that's a low hemoglobin thing as well. 671 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: Right, But do you know I have ficious tsunamia. Did 672 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: you know that? No? 673 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 2: I didn't, Jesus Christ. 674 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I have to jet myself with a twelve. 675 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 4: Right, okay, yeah, because I'm taking be to Yeah, jeez, 676 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 4: anybody's got any mayall. I feel them, I really do. 677 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 4: But I've got that combined with low ejection fraction. So 678 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: and look, the great thing you know for me was 679 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 4: going and doing that workshop. I did another workshop yesterday, 680 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 4: and I reckon, I was probably ninety five percent on yesterday. 681 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 2: Wow, so that was pretty good. 682 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 4: I reckon, I was probably eighty percent eighty five last week, 683 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 4: and I did a very light resistance training sess. I'm 684 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: just I'm curling nine kilo dumbbells when I used to 685 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 4: be doing it eighteen. I'm doing twenty four kilos on 686 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 4: the tricep pushed up. But I'm just like, my body 687 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 4: needs stimulation. I rackon, I've lost between two and two 688 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 4: and a half kilos a muscle. 689 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll get tell me about your your wound, tell 690 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 3: me about that big bloody slice and dice down there. 691 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: Oh god, wow, Well you know you've just made my primo. 692 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. So that looks to me like that is 693 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: fuck twenty centimeters? 694 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 2: God is that? 695 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 696 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. 697 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 3: Maybe more maybe so we're looking at like an eight 698 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 3: nine ten inch scar everyone, wow, and then you. 699 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: See those two little things done there. 700 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah wow, where they had tubes, So they have tubes 701 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 4: and your dreamage tubes about as thick as your finger. 702 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 4: And then on the I think it was on the 703 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 4: Friday or maybe the Saturday, they pulled the tube. 704 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: Sight Yeah, I. 705 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: Bet mother fucker. 706 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: And there was about four or five inches of juben there. 707 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: So they're pulling and it just keeps coming. It was like, 708 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 2: that's smarted, I can tell you. 709 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 4: And now, of course the second one hurt twice as 710 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 4: months as the first one did. 711 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 3: Well, you got Marc's really as like. 712 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 4: Fuck, be a stoic lean into it and then like 713 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 4: fox stoicism this. 714 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 2: I think there might have been an F bomb that 715 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: sneaked out for sure. 716 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: Did you have any did you have any philosophical moments like. 717 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,399 Speaker 2: Why yes, so so pre. 718 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 4: So. You know, I'm a fan of the stoics. I'm 719 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 4: a fan of Memento Maury. I've got a tattoo on me. 720 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 4: You know that's Marcus really, you know, it was all 721 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 4: the stoics, remember death, Remember that you were mortal. So 722 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 4: I've always I've always been very aware of my mortality 723 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 4: and very grateful every day that I'm alive. 724 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 2: But what I did deliberately was meditated on. 725 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 4: My death, and I actually think it's a really good 726 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 4: exercise for people. I thought a lot about my not 727 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 4: from a morose perspective, but just like, well, if this 728 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 4: was to be it, you know, how would you feel? 729 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 4: And my reflection, I think was I would be really 730 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 4: content with the life that I had, but changed with 731 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 4: a huge bit of sadness, and that I would not 732 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 4: get to see my kids grow up, and that I 733 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 4: wouldn't get to enjoy my retirement with Carly. And I 734 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 4: think the third bit of sadness for me would be 735 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 4: that my parents would have to bury one of their children, 736 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 4: because that is now my major goal in life, not 737 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 4: to bury one of my children. 738 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: Right. 739 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 4: But when I reflected on it, I thought, fucking hell, 740 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 4: I've had a good life, and I've had an action fill, 741 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 4: I've crammed a shitload in right. 742 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: I had a pretty good. 743 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 4: Upbringing that also prepared me for the world, you know, 744 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 4: being brought up as an Irish Catholic in a Protestant neighborhood. 745 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 4: I think that helped an in university, I absolutely loved it. 746 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 4: I did a shitt heap of travel. I joined the military. 747 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 4: I had a wonderful time in the military, but also 748 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 4: saw quite a lot of stuff, and it prepared me 749 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 4: really well. You know, I've visited over sixty countries. I've 750 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 4: explored consciousness in numerous different ways. 751 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 2: I've done you know, shit, had to poison. I've had 752 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 2: toad poison. 753 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 4: I've had shamanic rituals and deep in the Amazon jungle 754 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 4: with this Italian guy thousand kilometers from the nearest road, 755 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 4: no sat phones. 756 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 2: Like, I've done some really cool shit in my life. 757 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 4: But you know, just reflecting on it, it was like, well, 758 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 4: if I do good ide the other side, well, I 759 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 4: do differently last time on my phone, right, even though well, 760 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 4: probably not my phone, I'm not that big of my phone, 761 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 4: but last time watching news and sport. 762 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 2: That's probably my weakness. 763 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 4: I think the other thing that would that I was 764 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 4: a bit rueful of if it had been all over, 765 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 4: was got so close to my PhD but didn't do 766 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 4: it right. 767 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: And I was actually trying to get it submitted before 768 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 2: just so I might get a posthumous PhD. 769 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: That's hilarious. But that's that's crossed my mind. If I 770 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: die before I finished this. 771 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 2: I'll be pissed off. But the other thing was, you know, 772 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 2: if if my time is up, I get. 773 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 4: To see I get to go on life's last great 774 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 4: adventure and find out is there another side? 775 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 2: And more? 776 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 4: All the fucking holy jewels? Have they just wasted their 777 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 4: lives because there's fuck all on the other side? 778 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 2: Oh? You know, what is it like? 779 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 4: So I think that's philosophically, and I actually think coming 780 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 4: out of this, everybody should meditate on their death and 781 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 4: actually go, fuck, if I was to die tomorrow, what 782 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 4: would I really regret? And if I did get a 783 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 4: second chance, what would I do differently? I think that's 784 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 4: importantly do that. 785 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 3: I think it's a really I mean, it is people. Obviously, 786 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 3: people are scared. We're scared at times, and it's uncomfortable 787 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 3: and it's not you know. I did an episode about 788 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 3: three weeks ago called in the Proximity of Death and. 789 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,719 Speaker 1: I call her my second mom. 790 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 3: She calls she called me her fifth kid, because she's 791 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 3: got four daughters and me and our families grew up 792 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 3: intertwined with each other. 793 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: She was very much my second mum. 794 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 3: I was always at their house four sisters, four pseudo sisters. 795 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 3: And she passed away about three or four days after Christmas, 796 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 3: and our families spend every Christmas Day together. 797 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: And I left the barbecue or the Christmas. 798 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 3: Lunch and I went to hospital and sat with her 799 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 3: for an hour and it was just, without trying to 800 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 3: be weird, but it was so fucking profound. And I'm like, 801 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 3: I'm sitting with this person that I love, that this 802 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 3: is it. This is the last conversation, this is the 803 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 3: last hour that I will spend with her. And she 804 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 3: knew that and I knew that, and yeah, it's like, oh, this, 805 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,800 Speaker 3: like everything else melts away like nothing. And I know 806 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 3: this sounds cliche. I don't mean it too, but truly 807 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 3: all that I couldn't fucking I couldn't get enough of her, 808 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: I couldn't get enough of It's like that hour went 809 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 3: really quick but really slow, and I can remember that 810 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: hour more vividly than maybe any other hour I've had 811 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 3: in the last decade. 812 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And it's just oh, and it's funny how certain. 813 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: I don't know situations or events or whatever environments or 814 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 3: can just give you a level of perspective that you 815 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 3: seemingly can't have unless you're in that Yes, that's right, 816 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 3: you know, imagine if you could have that like in 817 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 3: that Like towards the end, I was I was about 818 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 3: to go, and her name's Ray and she goes, you 819 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 3: know how much I love you? 820 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well that was it. I was fucked right. 821 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm. 822 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 3: Out, and I go, like a sun does dismissively. Yeah, 823 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 3: I know, like yeah, I know, like a fucking alpha 824 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 3: male moron. And then she grabs my hand with her skinny, 825 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 3: little cancer ridden body and makes me look at her 826 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 3: and then says it again. 827 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: And then that was it because I knew that would 828 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: never happen again, you know, and she knew that, and 829 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure that I left knowing that. 830 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: And what was interesting was. 831 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 3: I feel fucking she was more worried about me. She 832 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 3: wasn't worried about herself at all. She wanted to set 833 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 3: me at peace with that. She wanted me to be okay. 834 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 1: And I came out of there going fuck, I've got 835 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: so much to evolve and learn, and you know, I 836 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: felt like I wish I could be a bit like her, 837 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, so interesting, so interesting? 838 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't you know that that experience of 839 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 4: really thinking about your death. I think everybody should do 840 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 4: it and and really think deeply about it, right, and 841 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 4: think about then through that LANs. 842 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,120 Speaker 2: Where are you spending your time? Right? 843 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: You know? 844 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: How much of your time is spent fucking doom scrueling. 845 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 2: How much of your time is spent doing a. 846 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,320 Speaker 4: Shit job you don't want to do, or particularly around 847 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 4: your your free time? 848 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 2: Right? 849 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 4: Are you using your free time in an optimal manner 850 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 4: or close to an optimal manner? Right? 851 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 3: And even turning up the volume on things that really 852 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 3: don't matter? 853 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: And you like, this is a one out of ten issue. 854 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm making it a nine. 855 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you go. 856 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: This is not a nine, you fucking idiot. This is 857 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe not even a one. 858 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 3: Yes, But your get like whatever's got your attention's got 859 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 3: your mind, has got your body has got you. 860 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 2: Like you are. 861 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 3: Literally creating an emotional and psychological prison for yourself. Like 862 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 3: there isn't a problem, but you're inventing one. We're so 863 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 3: good at that, absolutely, you know, just pluck plucking a 864 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 3: problem from mi there, Hey, tell my my listeners about 865 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 3: you and your stuff? How can they find you? And 866 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 3: I know we're doing a co share, but for my audience, 867 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 3: how can they find you and follow you? When by 868 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,880 Speaker 3: your book he has written a fucking brilliant book. 869 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:24,440 Speaker 2: Thank you. 870 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 4: And my book is called Death by Comfort and my 871 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 4: second book I'm just about to start once I get 872 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 4: my PhD submitted. 873 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 2: But we'll keep up on on their wraps. 874 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 4: My podcast is the Paul Taylor Podcast. On website is 875 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 4: Paul Taylor dot bisbeei Z. 876 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, well mate, it's been good. In the words 877 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 3: of the greats, I'm glad you're not dead. 878 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 2: That's it. Glad to be on the other side. 879 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:59,399 Speaker 1: I'm glad you're not dead. And yeah, we'll chat again. 880 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, cheers. Could you say yeah,