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Speaker 1: O get a team. It's bloody Friday Afternoon's Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's the Grand Final tomorrow. Some of you are very

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Speaker 1: excited about that summer. You are not tiff. Do you

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Speaker 2: Couldn't care less?

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Speaker 1: Really jotted something down? Did my internet just drop out?

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Speaker 3: Then briefly but nothing to be concerned about.

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Speaker 1: You'll fix it, yep, Doctor av Charlton. Do you have

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Speaker 2: Not really No.

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Speaker 4: My kids used to play footy, but not anymore of

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Speaker 4: they've got rid of their footy hobbies.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, well, welcome to you project. How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm very good, Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh thanks for being had. It's it's an interesting time

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Speaker 1: having It's like everyone in Bayside Melbourne was in Hampton

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Speaker 1: having a bloody, skinny latte or whatever they have and

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Speaker 1: to get out? Today?

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Speaker 4: I went to donate blood in the blood bank, in

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Speaker 4: That's half a liter of blood.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Have you, Tiffedy? You do that?

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Speaker 3: That is on my list because I was sick recently.

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Speaker 3: I'm just waiting until I'm not sick anymore.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? For no reason, and I probably shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Probably people will hate me for that. I've never done it.

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Speaker 1: That's not that I've conscious never did.

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Speaker 3: Pretty Jockey's mate, go do it for the fred out and.

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Speaker 1: I've got and could you imagine how excited that be

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, got veins.

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Speaker 1: I've got veins for days. I think I'd make their

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Speaker 1: job very easier, very easy. Anyway, Hey, doctor Avy, give

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, I'm a GP for twenty years, and

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Speaker 4: condition going on keuogenic, having those key tones can be

435
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: really awesome for your brain to fill the brain with

436
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: key tones rather than glucose. So there's lots of other

437
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: uses that we can do with therapeutic carbohydrate restriction.

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Speaker 1: Explain to people what ketones are, because half our audience

439
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: are gone. What are ketones?

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00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 4: Ketones are little molecules that comes from burning fat, So

441
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 4: your body can burn oider glucose or keytnes. If we

442
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 4: change our body fuel to burning fat, then we're burning

443
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: key tones, which is the alternative alternative fuel for for energy.

444
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 4: So these little keytnes is actually quite anti inflammatory. It

445
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 4: is better to feel the brain and it actually reduces hunger,

446
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: makes you more satiated, whereas if you're burning glucose, that

447
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: makes you more hungry. So if you become metaborically flexible,

448
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: so which means that you can sometimes burn keytnes sometimes

449
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: burned glucose, which if you're eating two meals a day,

450
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: as you said, that might make you more metaborally flexible.

451
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: So you can switch your body fuel system from burning

452
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 4: keytones to gurkose and glurcose to keytnes. Then you are

453
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 4: actually like a like a car that can sometimes burn electricity,

454
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: sometimes burn petrol, so it's quite a dual fuel system.

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00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 2: You're in an advantage.

456
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Speaker 1: I'm going to call this episode turning myself into a

457
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Speaker 1: highbrid What about like people I still think have a

458
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: mental block doc about eating fat. I think people think

459
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: that eating fat will make me fat. Fat equals fat.

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00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

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00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a very old misconception through not very

462
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 4: well studied science.

463
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Ansel Keys, Yes that's right.

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00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm glad you mentioned him.

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Speaker 4: So back in the nineteen seventies, there's Ansel Keys and

466
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: then there's John Yatkins. Ansil Key's promoted low fat diet.

467
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: John Yatkins is saying, we don't do low fat, we

468
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: should embrace healthy fat, but it's actually the sugars that

469
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: is harmful. So it turns out anseel Keys has got

470
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Speaker 4: much bigger person, a bit more of a bully, whereas

471
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: John Latkins has lost in terms of his personality. And

472
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: selkis is one and we are now fearful of fat

473
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Speaker 4: because he's saying he was saying that fat causes high

474
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 4: cholesterol and these are dangerous and causing heart disease, whereas

475
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: we now know that healthy fats is really important and

476
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: it's actually quite detrimental eating a low fat diet because

477
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 4: low fat diet is actually quite high carps and lots

478
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: of help low fat will people will put in more

479
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: sugars and carbohydrates to processed foods, and that's how the

480
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: food process food industry came about with high sugar. Yeah,

481
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: so that's causing a lot of big problems with so

482
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Speaker 4: much of busity. Eighty over eighty percent of the population

483
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: met up not healthy in America, and I think Australia

484
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: is really not too far behind. So it's not just

485
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: being overweight. A lot of skinny people are actually skinny fat,

486
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: So US, Chinese and Indian are very more susceptible to

487
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 4: being skinny fat. We don't show our fat on the outside.

488
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: We show it on the inside, whereas more the Caucasian

489
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: will show it on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you make more visceral fat for people, yeah

492
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Speaker 5: in India and Okay, and just explain firstly, what is

493
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 5: visceral fat for our listeners and why.

494
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Speaker 1: Is that bad?

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00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Visceral fat means the fat around the organs, So

497
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: we store the fat around the liver, the pain creas

498
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: and we don't show it on the outside. So that

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Speaker 4: that happens with certain genetic backgrounds, and especially me as

500
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: a Chinese and Indians as well, and a lot of

501
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: white people do it too. They can store the fat

502
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: around the organs, around the liver and the pancreas, and

503
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: around the inside the tummy rather than on the just

504
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: under the skin, so they're just under skin fat is

505
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: like a subcutaneous fat as opposed to the fisseral fat.

506
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 4: Having fasceral fat really is an indication of poor metabolic health,

507
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: which means is your body is just not burning fuel properly.

508
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: It's not functioning properly these little mitochondria, which means that

509
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: little power cell of the house powerhouse for the how

510
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: the cell works, They're not functioning properly. They're burning feel

511
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: in the correct way, and our body really struggles with

512
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: poor mitochondrial function. And ultimately, if you have high physeral fat,

513
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: then that increases the risk of diabetes and inflammation other

514
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: chronic diseases like Alzheimer's disease, gout, and even cancer. So

515
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 4: we now know these inflammation is a root course of

516
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: so many modern diseases.

517
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: So it's pretty scary.

518
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I was just trying to remember

519
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: the ansel keys like he was allegedly back in the day,

520
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: like he was a pioneer. Allegedly he was at the

521
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: forefront of groundbreaking research into nutrition, and he became famous

522
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: for a study called the Seven Countries Study. But that

523
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: study actually started out with twenty eight countries. I think

524
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: the initial the initial study was and so I this

525
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: is on bro sciencing. This everyone so, but and doc,

526
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: if I get anything wrong, correct me. But my understanding

527
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: was very, very fundamentally, the hypothesis was low fat eating

528
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: equals low fat population, right, And they started with twenty

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Speaker 1: eight countries, and twenty one of the twenty eight countries,

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Speaker 1: in other words, seventy five percent of the data conflicted

531
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Speaker 1: with his hypothesis. In other words, said he got it wrong.

532
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: And so they cut those countries, they removed those from

533
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the studies and the data, and then they went, all right, everyone,

534
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: we've done a seven country study. And so all of

535
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: this stuff was really manipulated. And also that research, I'm

536
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: pretty sure or funded by a kind of industry rather

537
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: than independently financed. And then if you have a look there,

538
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: there's a really interesting graph somewhere where it charts the

539
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: introduction of essentially low fat eating, which became overwhelmingly prevalent

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00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: in the seventies and it started, you know where we've

541
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: got you know, diet coke and tab and all of

542
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: these dietary products just started to hijack the marketing place

543
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: and our fascination with bodies. And then the funny thing is,

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00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: as low fat eating goes up, obesity goes up, almost

545
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: like a direct correlation. And nobody, you know, for decades,

546
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: nobody went, we'll hang on, we're eating less and less

547
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: fat and we're getting more and more fat. Maybe there's

548
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: something in that. And it's only really last decade where

549
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: the curtain's been pulled back in a big way.

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Speaker 4: You know.

551
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

552
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: It's very sad because here, yeah, as you said, there

553
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 4: was about twenty odd studies and the curves that the

554
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: data was all over the place, but he just picked

555
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: seven of those studies out of the twenty odd studies

556
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: and then plod into a graph. For example, I think

557
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: France was one of the high fat but they're actually

558
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: really healthy population, So that data in France was excluded

559
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: because they eat high fat, but they didn't see it

560
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 4: didn't suit the curve, so we just excluded that country.

561
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, it happens a lot of Yes.

562
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so as you said, us eating low fat, but

563
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: obesity rates through the roof and we had more and

564
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: more diabetes. Low fat isn't working for us. And actually

565
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 4: low fat causes so many problems because our body needs

566
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: the fat. Our brain is sixty seven percent fat. We

567
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 4: need fat for brain health, we need fat for hormones,

568
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 4: and also for so many other things like metabolism. And

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Speaker 4: people with slow fat diet really has much more problems,

570
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: even gaining more so they eat more carbs and they

571
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: gain more fat and even developing things like gorestones can

572
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 4: because they're not the gorbler is not working, not pumping

573
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 4: property because they're not eating fat.

574
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's just I mean as far less

575
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: as you said, Like it's far less satiety with carbs,

576
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: right if I eat, which I don't really, but if

577
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: I eat just a bunch of carbs, I'm hungry an

578
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: hour later. If I have if I have a mix

579
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Speaker 1: of like my breakfast is nuts, oats, some protein powder,

580
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: Like my breakfast is probably about eight hundred calories. It's

581
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: quite a few calories and there's probably something like I

582
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: would say, almost fifty grams of fat in my breakfast

583
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: and people are like when I eat my breakfast at

584
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: eight am, I am varies day to day, but most

585
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: days I'm not hungry until six pm, like ten hours later.

586
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: And also because you know, again everyone this is just

587
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: an e CAUs one Craig Harper, right, But for me,

588
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I feel good all day, Like my

589
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: energy is pretty good, my brain works pretty well. I

590
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: don't have these peaks and troughs. In fact, before I

591
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: maybe about five years ago when COVID hit or six

592
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: years ago, I kind of altered to two meals a day.

593
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I still eat probably the same

594
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: amount of calories, but spread over two not three meals.

595
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: But for me personally, my energy distribution through the day

596
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: is much more even, you know. So that's back to

597
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: that thing. I'm trying to figure out what's going to

598
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: work for you know.

599
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't usually eat breakfast, and I start eating

600
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 4: at midday, and so I would probably have a leftover meal,

601
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: protein and veggies, just a bit of meat that's I

602
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 4: cooked extra from dinner, or sometimes if I'm at home,

603
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: I'll cook some eggs, maybe with cheese crusted omelet, which

604
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: I like, and I'm satiated I'm not hungry until dinner time,

605
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: so I'm like you, I have two meals a day,

606
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: just lunch and dinner, and in the morning, I don't

607
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: eat breakfast, so just walk out of the door, which

608
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: is actually really convenient because I've got kids to drop

609
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 4: off and go to work and I don't have to

610
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 4: worry about cooking at breakfast and eating it. So I've

611
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: saved myself like ten twenty minutes. Whereas those people eating

612
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: toasting or like a sandwich, there's just not enough yeah, Cereal,

613
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 4: They're just not enough fuel and raising the insulin as

614
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: we talked about, the insulin actually makes you more hungry,

615
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: and there's not enough not protein in there. There's not

616
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: healthy fat in that toast or cereal meal.

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00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: TI for you freestyle, like do you do you just

618
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: get up and eat when you're hungry or do you

619
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: have like are you quite structured with your food or

620
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: a bit more loosey goosey?

621
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Speaker 3: A little bit in between the two really, But I

622
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: used to intermitting fast and I stopped that, and so

623
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 3: now I hop up and I eat BA eat pretty protein.

624
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: I'm pretty protein heavy, really, but if I eat carbs,

625
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: I'll eat them earlier in the day. I don't eat

626
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: carbs at night because I will wake hungrier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you know how when you're a bit sick,

628
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: your body's weird sometimes and you want things that you

629
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: don't normally want. Right, So I've been dark. I've been

630
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: a bit sick lately, just with an infection in my

631
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: ear and a whole bunch of stuff, and I couldn't, like,

632
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: messed up my balance, and I was thirsty, and I

633
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: my energy was crap, and I had all these things

634
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: going on. Anyway, I'm coming out the other side now

635
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and I feel much better. But this morning I got

636
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: up and I normally have like I said to you,

637
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: what I you know, nuts, seeds, protein, powder, sorry, oats,

638
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And this morning I went to have

639
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: breakfast and I didn't feel like my normal breakfast. And

640
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: I had this kind of chicken stir fry in the fridge,

641
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: which is just like edgies and chicken, and I'm like,

642
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: and I opened the fridge to get milk out for

643
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: a cup of tea and I saw that and I

644
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: never ever eat like savory at breakfast, and my body

645
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: just went, yeah, let's eat that, And so I didn't

646
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: eat my normal breakfast and then I ate this basically protein.

647
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: There were some cashews in there, nuts, sorry, cabbage, carrot like,

648
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: lots of stir fried veggies. Oh my god, it was

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Speaker 1: the best breakfast I've had in about a year. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: maybe my body needs savory in the morning. But it's

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Speaker 1: just like I would never normally feel like that, and

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Speaker 1: today I felt like it, and then I ate it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, I think I want

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Speaker 1: this tomorrow. And even now as I'm thinking about this morning,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I need to go and buy some

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Speaker 1: Maybe I need to go and by a Chinese stir

657
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Speaker 1: fry or a tight stry. There's a place down the

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Speaker 1: road for me that makes it exactly as I want it.

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think it doesn't matter. So we're

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Speaker 4: just conditioned to eat cereal and oats and toast for breakfast,

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Speaker 4: But who cares what you eat. You can eat chicken,

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Speaker 4: you can eat steak and stir fry for breakfast, lunch,

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Speaker 4: and dinner. And it's actually much more nourishing to eat

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Speaker 4: protein for breakfast. And I don't think we should just

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Speaker 4: listen to this social norms that we need to eat

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Speaker 4: cereal because the breakfast Cereal company is marketed to us

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Speaker 4: that breakfast is the most important meal of the day

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Speaker 4: and you should eat cereal.

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Speaker 1: It's so funn The psychology around eating, like what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about now is marketing, branding, and we all grow

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Speaker 1: up in this mindset and it's different from family to family.

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Speaker 1: But in my family, of course, well it's breakfast. So

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Speaker 1: you have eggs on toast, or you have cereal, you

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Speaker 1: have wheatbics, like there's about four or five options, but

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Speaker 1: you definitely don't have chicken stir fry for breakfast. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's always and you know when people think

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Speaker 1: about breakfast, like when I go away, I travel, I

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Speaker 1: go to a hotel, get up in the morning, and

679
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: it's just this ocean of carbohydrates available for everybody. And

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Speaker 1: then maybe some like greasy sausages and oh my god,

681
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Speaker 1: but the greasy sausages by themselves good but maybe not

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Speaker 1: with the white buttered bread. You know. So yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a real and I think this is one of the

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Speaker 1: things one of the challenges, not just finding the right

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Speaker 1: food that works for you and trying to maybe revisit

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Speaker 1: and re program your brain little bit but is like

687
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Speaker 1: getting to this point where you go, oh, I might

688
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Speaker 1: have been doing this kind of a very similar way

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Speaker 1: for thirty years, and it's actually not a good way

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Speaker 1: to do it. Like I think of the people who've

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Speaker 1: been eating cereal for thirty years and then you go

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Speaker 1: look and it's you know, it's not going to kill you,

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Speaker 1: but over thirty years it might not be the best

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Speaker 1: for your health or for your potential of getting diabetes

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Speaker 1: or for heart health or disease because it's very high

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Speaker 1: in sugar and there's lots of disease that correlates with

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Speaker 1: sugar intake. And you know, just the idea of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, not that I eat junkie cereal, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: for me going on, maybe I eat maybe I need

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Speaker 1: meat and veggies every day for breakfast. Like that's a shift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think. So. I think you need to

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Speaker 2: look at your own journey.

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Speaker 4: So if you're overweight and you're growing a belly, and

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Speaker 4: especially women that are perimental portal, and when you go

705
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Speaker 4: through the mid life change, sometimes your hormones goes all

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Speaker 4: over the place and the belly starts to develop. Inperimental

707
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Speaker 4: pauseal women, quite often if you keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: It's just not serving you, and you really have to

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Speaker 4: unlearn and relearn that something different has to happen and

710
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Speaker 4: whatever's doing that's not serving you. You need to do something,

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Speaker 4: change your lifestyle and try something else.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we've got to wind up. But I've got one

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Speaker 1: question which you may or may not have a strong

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Speaker 1: opinion on. But I've never really taken probiotics, which is

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Speaker 1: probably I don't know, I it's a good or bad thing.

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Speaker 1: But I've just started taking them because I was taking

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Speaker 1: antibiotics for my infection and then the lady at the

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Speaker 1: pharmacy said, you know, but for me anyway, they seem

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Speaker 1: to be working great. Are you pro or anti probiotics?

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Speaker 1: Are you pro probiotics or anti probiotics? Like, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on them?

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Speaker 4: I think they've got their own their place, especially if

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Speaker 4: you've taken antibiotics. It's a good idea to take some

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Speaker 4: probiotics with the antibiotics after. And there are other situations

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Speaker 4: like if you've got a gut health issue, if you

726
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Speaker 4: go through time zone changes that you're traveling from one

727
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Speaker 4: time zone to another, sometimes this gut bacteria needs some

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Speaker 4: more nourishment.

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Speaker 2: So in certain situations.

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Speaker 4: If you've got a health concern, then yes, I am

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Speaker 4: pro probotics.

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Speaker 1: I was also reading yesterday. I was doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit of bro science research. When I say research, it's

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Speaker 1: like looking at stuff online, so we know that's not

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Speaker 1: real research, but bro science research, and there seem to

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Speaker 1: be I was trying to find out whether or not

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Speaker 1: there's much of a correlation between gut health and brain function.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, could open that door. Oh like, hey, everyone,

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Speaker 1: did you know that what's going on in your gut

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Speaker 1: effects cognitive function? So if you've got a bit of

741
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Speaker 1: brain bog, or your memory is not great, or you

742
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Speaker 1: can't recall staff, or you'd like your struggle for words,

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Speaker 1: or it may or may not have anything to do

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Speaker 1: with it, but there's every chance that there's some kind

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Speaker 1: of link. Obviously, there are many variables around what can

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Speaker 1: influence and impact cognitive function. But and one of my

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Speaker 1: symptoms was over the last month, doc is like just

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Speaker 1: feeling like have I got dementia? Not really, but it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: just just struggling to find clarity. And in the last

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Speaker 1: week it's like, oh, thank god, my brain has come

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Speaker 1: back online. It's like, oh, somebody just rebooted it and

752
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Speaker 1: it's working again. So and I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: that's whether or not that's because I got rid of

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Speaker 1: the infection which can affect brain function, or I'm taking

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Speaker 1: the probiotics which has made my gut health better, or

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but something's working, and so I'm too

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Speaker 1: scared to stop anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I think it's so important to be fueling your gut

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Speaker 4: with good foods so your brain works better because we

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Speaker 4: are what we eat. Because if you eat good foods

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Speaker 4: like protein and healthy fat and not so much inflammatory

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Speaker 4: food which is like sugars and the processed foods, then

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Speaker 4: the whole body has much less inflammation. We've got the

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Speaker 4: good foods to fill our brain with good function and

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Speaker 4: improves your mood, reduces depression, and the other way around

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Speaker 4: works as well. So sometimes when I was studying doing exams,

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Speaker 4: I was stress and anxious, and my gut doesn't function properly.

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Speaker 4: When I'm stressed, I had more irritual bowel and keep

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Speaker 4: going to the toilet. So stress also affects gut function.

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Speaker 4: So doing relaxating things like breathwork, meditation can improve.

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Speaker 2: Got health us well. So it's all interrelated. Rather.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny when you think that something like

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Speaker 1: probiotics can improve your immune system, but then you think,

775
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: so can walking in nature can so can being calm,

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Speaker 1: so can meditation, so can huddling a golden retriever on

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Speaker 1: the floor if you like golden retrievers, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, there are so many things, you know, laughter,

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Speaker 1: what's that thing? What's it called? That thing I talk about,

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Speaker 1: tiff about it affects your immune system. I'll remember it

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Speaker 1: after I get off the shop. Psycho neuroimmunology P and

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Speaker 1: I thank you you got the first syllable, and then

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Speaker 1: I ran with it, like just all of these. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's like, yeah, you know what's good

785
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: for your body, eating nuts maybe, But you know what

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Speaker 1: else is good? Getting a hug from someone that loves you.

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Speaker 1: You know else? Good sleep? You know what else is good?

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Speaker 1: Laughing your guts off at something silly. You know. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there are all of these things that you know, like

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Speaker 1: the sun right, the right amount of sun at the

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Speaker 1: right time of day. But get some vitamin D on you,

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Speaker 1: you know, go for a walk, Like there are so

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Speaker 1: many things that can have like a big impact on

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Speaker 1: the way that our body works, you know, and the

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Speaker 1: quality of our life experience living in this body that

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Speaker 1: you don't even you know, that's got nothing to do

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Speaker 1: necessarily with medicine per se or a pill per se.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I think ideally we do it all if we can,

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Speaker 4: or if you can't do it all, do small steps

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Speaker 4: to improve one thing at a time. So maybe this

802
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: week you improve your nutrition. Next week you can do

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00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 4: more self compassion or hugging your friends or a dog,

804
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: and the next week you work on getting outside to

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Speaker 4: go for a walk and getting some more sunlight. But

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Speaker 4: ideally all of it, if you can, will be great

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Speaker 4: to optimize your health. That's what I talk about.

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Speaker 1: MM Well, twofth essentially has an unhealthy marriage with her cat,

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Speaker 1: and true it's either love or hate. So I think

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Speaker 1: you need some counseling that hey.

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Speaker 3: Dot relationship of you had.

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Speaker 1: Oh really she is, oh for sure, for sure, she

813
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Speaker 1: thinks it's all about her.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Toxic.

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Speaker 3: But it's also I'm being schooled in boundaries and that's

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Speaker 3: really healthy for me.

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Speaker 1: And she's teaching you patience. Dr Charlton, Dr Aby Charlton.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you, follow you and connect with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: My website is the Melbourne Low Carp Clinic, which is

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Speaker 4: www dot mlc clinic dot com, dot are you. I'm

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Speaker 4: on on Facebook, Instagram LinkedIn as doctor.

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Speaker 2: Chilton Lifestyle GP.

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Speaker 4: I've got my own podcast called Prescribing Lifestyle which is

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Speaker 4: about one hundred and eleven episodes inviting us to talk

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Speaker 4: about lifestyle and nutrition and their own journeys. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: people can send me a message and check me out.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, amazing. Well, say goodbye Fair but for the moment,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being on the You Project and thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming to SALO and thanks for allowing our listeners to

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Speaker 1: meet you.

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Speaker 2: Well. Thank you, Craig ag and Tiff thanks for having

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Speaker 2: me on your podcast Pleager. Thanks Tiv, thank you