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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris, and this is just straight talk.

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Speaker 2: James magnuson, welcome back, Thanks for having me. It's good

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Speaker 2: to say one year ago, exactly to this day, one

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Speaker 2: year ago, you were sitting in that chair and you're

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Speaker 2: about You're a skinny little butt, not a little tall,

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Speaker 2: but slightly smaller than you are right now. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at your your biceps and you and you nearly broke

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Speaker 2: my hand when you showed my hand out the front.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you did it on purpose.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you want to go to challenge you

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Speaker 2: in an arm wrestle or something like that. I feel like,

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Speaker 2: like really small and everything sitting here alongside you because

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Speaker 2: I saw you.

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Speaker 1: I saw a photograph of you yesterday. I think it

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Speaker 1: was yesterday.

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Speaker 2: You might have put up on your Instagram, but Tom,

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Speaker 2: you had your your skins on, swimming skins. But it

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Speaker 2: was like a sort of like a sawn off version

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Speaker 2: of skins, Like it was like a sleeveless type thing,

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Speaker 2: and your fucking lats and shit were hanging out through

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Speaker 2: the back and it was weird, man, Like it was huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that photo or that footage seems to have gone

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Speaker 1: pretty viral earlier past couple of weeks. I think the

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Speaker 1: photo I put up yesterday that's had three million hits

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Speaker 1: in twenty four hours. WHOA, so people are eating it up.

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Speaker 1: The most common message I get. I'm getting all these

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Speaker 1: guys in my inbox. What was your stack? What we're taking?

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Speaker 1: How do I look like that? Well, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into it. I'm looking to find it. So let's

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Speaker 1: just reacap a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So what do you want now?

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Speaker 1: Right now? So I've got back from America and I've

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Speaker 1: been trying really hard to get my body weight right down.

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Speaker 2: So let's say when you had the event and you

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Speaker 2: tried my.

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Speaker 1: Peak, I was about one hundred and fifteen kilos at

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Speaker 1: six percent body fat on a Dexa scan, which is

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Speaker 1: super accurate.

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Speaker 2: So and what we when you said here a year ago,

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Speaker 2: probably about one hundred so like were took about fifteen kilos.

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Speaker 1: Ten kilos, yeah, peak peak, and that was I was

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Speaker 1: a lot leaner there as well than I was last

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Speaker 2: So, and if I could just ask you, how did

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Speaker 2: you feel? That's how you looked wide, but how did

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Speaker 2: you feel.

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Speaker 1: In the water? I felt one hundred and fifteen kilos

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Speaker 1: on land? I felt like a juggernaut, which was this

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Speaker 1: really interesting balancing act that we were trying to get right.

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Speaker 1: And being the first swimmer to openly do this, there

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Speaker 1: was no textbook that said this is the power to

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Speaker 1: eight ratio you need, this is the point of no

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Speaker 1: return where you're too big, too heavy, too much drag.

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Speaker 1: Because swimming is a very unique thing and that you

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Speaker 1: know you want to be like a speedboat going through

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Speaker 1: the water. When you got these massive lats and shoulders

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Speaker 1: to be a little bit too much drag. But on land,

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Speaker 1: I felt like a juggernaut. I was waking up each

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Speaker 1: day so much energy. I had a fifty inch firt jump,

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Speaker 1: I could squat two hundred and thirty kilos, I could

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Speaker 1: bench press almost double my body weight, Like I was

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Speaker 1: a juggernaut on land, but it didn't fully transfer the

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Speaker 2: Because I remember when you were in the Olympics and

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Speaker 2: winning world championships, getting medaling in the Olympics, I remember you,

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Speaker 2: remember watching you in one race because I'm a swimming

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Speaker 2: fan and one of the observations I remember watching you,

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Speaker 2: and I remember also seeing people like Phelps et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Similar You were broad, but sort of thin, and not

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Speaker 2: much legs, not much in the legs, long legs, but

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Speaker 2: not much in the legs. And you sort of I

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Speaker 2: used to think to myself, unscientifically but in a biomechanical sense,

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Speaker 2: I used to think you sort of sat on the water,

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Speaker 2: you sort of planed on the water a bit. Then

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, when you build a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was certainly a tipping point. And what

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Speaker 1: we found from this basically I started the protocol and

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Speaker 2: Well, you were consider full time training for Olympic event

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Speaker 1: That level, Yeah, twice a day. I actually was doing

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Speaker 1: swim speeds increasing, strength is increasing, athleticism is increasing, energy

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Speaker 1: to a point that didn't matter because everything was tracking upwards.

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Speaker 1: And then What we found was there's certainly an ideal

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Speaker 1: which is why athletes get caught in competition. I always thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, these athletes test positive in competition. Surely if

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Speaker 1: you're cheating, you do it better than that. Surely you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be anything. Yeah, but it turns out that you

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Speaker 1: really do need to be peaking on race day with

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Speaker 1: on world record police in training, and we're in training,

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Speaker 1: We're going, let's do this thing. That was about Christmas time.

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Speaker 1: The problem was we were doing we're filming the documentary.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't ready to go yet. We couldn't find a

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Speaker 1: And in that time, so about Christmas time, I'm flying.

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Speaker 1: last week in February, so you're talking about another six

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Speaker 1: just just longer. And in that period, my weight keeps

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Speaker 1: been happening in training, we're not there right now, but

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Speaker 1: this has all been part of the journey. We've got

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Speaker 1: to have a crack at this record while we're here.

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Speaker 1: I'm forever an optimist, so I said, let me add it.

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Speaker 1: I still want to go for it. But now what

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Speaker 1: I've got, which was the first documented process of a

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Speaker 1: protocol of training of an athlete, a thirty four year

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Speaker 1: for the actual Enhanced Games.

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Speaker 2: And the Enhance Games is until next year May next year,

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Speaker 2: one year, so you will start. We'll come back to

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Speaker 2: them in a second. I want to understand from your

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Speaker 2: Olympians seeing the swing so saying this is terrible and

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah, it's encouraging with all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Let's just cast the side or park the morality of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's call it morality or the ethical sort of side

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Speaker 2: of it. A park it for a second. I don't

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Speaker 2: be honest, I don't want to get into it because

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Speaker 2: I think every man to himself, you make your own

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Speaker 1: That's my view.

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Speaker 2: If it's not being deleterious, if it's not dangerous to

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Speaker 2: to a person or it is cheating and everyone you

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Speaker 1: It's not cheating.

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Speaker 2: But if I could just put that aside for a moment,

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Speaker 1: I think I did at first. Now I see it

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Speaker 1: quite drastically from where a disruptor it's US verse the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: And they're not getting into this because they want to

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Speaker 1: they see it as a whole new world, a new industry.

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Speaker 1: Things start with sport and they filter down into general population.

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Speaker 1: So when people start saying to me, but the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: View this as a new product. This is completely separate.

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Speaker 1: We're no longer comparing ourselves to the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: It's like a study though they're the using athletes ye

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Speaker 2: to study the effects of enhancements, and we'll go through

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Speaker 2: the enhancements in a moment. But molecular enhancements, what effect

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Speaker 2: how can we correctly wrong? How do we can we

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Speaker 1: And how do we break down that stigma? Because you know,

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Things have been around, but they take

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Speaker 1: enhanced will do the games that the athletes, the data,

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Speaker 1: and it will break down the stigma by showing And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm the first one to openly and honestly

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Speaker 1: talk about my experiences, but most importantly talk about my

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Speaker 1: more importantly didn't feel that the side effects that I

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Speaker 2: I didn't grow a third nipple or a third still.

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Speaker 1: Got my hair for now, I don't have any acne.

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Speaker 1: I'm not angry. I haven't got a hairy back. All

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Speaker 1: these scary things that we were told about still got

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Speaker 1: told about a lot of different substances to scare us

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Speaker 2: It was sort of to something sense of the establishment

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Speaker 2: trying to stop us from doing anything that they would

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Speaker 2: not that they haven't already endorsed for the last hundred years.

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Speaker 2: And like penicula is probably something was an issue when

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Speaker 1: COVID is a good example of all this.

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Speaker 2: You know, like we were sort of battered.

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Speaker 2: You know, historical information about what you do when there's

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Speaker 2: So if you just go back now to the event

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Speaker 1: No matter what I did in the gym, no matter

435
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: what I did in the pool, I'd wake up the

436
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: next day and say, my coach, let's go again, which,

437
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 1: in hindsight, again was another little mistake we made, because

438
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: you are still human and you do still need to

439
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: recover and rest at certain times. And I think I

440
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: just ended up burying myself in a lot of ways

441
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: as well, because physically and mentally, I was just waking

442
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: up every day, zoned in, didn't eat a chocolate, didn't

443
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: have a drink, didn't go out past nine o'clock for

444
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: five months straight. I was just military and what you

445
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: saw was a great product physically, but I didn't balance

446
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole preparation out properly. And that's why

447
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: I believe I was swimming so fast in December and

448
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to maintain that.

449
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: So isn't that, James, isn't there just amount of en now?

450
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: You know that?

451
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: Isn't it a sort of amount of titration? Like you

452
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: sort of say I peaked too early? You know, you've

453
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: got to more be more scientific than I'm talking about,

454
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: But scientifically you might be in a position to peak

455
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: much better than you did for February by the time

456
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: the enhanced games comes, and you might be able to

457
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: put yourself into position into in terms of optimal And

458
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: you know what weight.

459
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: You sort of should be. Yeah, yeah, about.

460
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: One hundred and ten or something like that. Is that

461
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: sounds like the sweet spot?

462
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: Probably? I think even less. I think if I can

463
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: maintain that strength I had it that that one hundred

464
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: and fifteen kilos and come in I'd love to come

465
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: in down around one hundred kilo mark. That's a big reason.

466
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: It's a huge difference. And with the doctors I've been

467
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: speaking to, basically they've said the dosages of the products

468
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: you were taking were on the low side. That the

469
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: biggest dosage you had it at any time would have

470
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: been considered potentially moderate but mostly low dosages. And that

471
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: was the end product. But that's because you're for you.

472
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: Because I was a hyperresponder, I had a lot of receptions.

473
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: Now now we know that going in and starting so

474
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: basically we started the protocol at this level, we edged

475
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: it up and then we were like, oh wow, he's responding,

476
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: let's bring it back a bit. But once that weight

477
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: gain really hit a certain point. It was kind of

478
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: a point of no return for that preparation. This time around,

479
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: the doctors saying basically, we're going to use different products,

480
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: but essentially microdose. You know, it's just just going to

481
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 1: be this tiny cherry on top. You're going to get

482
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: to peak physical condition naturally, and then we're just going

483
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: to use this as the last couple of percent. Whereas

484
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: before I gone seven years no training, Let's go back

485
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 1: in the full training at the same time I go

486
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: into a full protocol at the same time I go

487
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: completely militant with my lifestyle. And at thirty four years

488
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: of age, that was probably just a bit too much

489
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: all at once.

490
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: So you just like peel back a little bit. Could

491
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: you explain to me the protocol? So let's start from.

492
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: Who was like who do you see?

493
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: Like, do you have to choose the doctor that's going

494
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: to the ndaging place or whatever it is the doctor

495
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: that you need to see? What do they say here, James,

496
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: this is a dude that's allocated to all the swimmers,

497
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: and this is the dude allocade to all the burners.

498
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Whatever it is is that at work or did you

499
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: go and choose your own person.

500
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: I'm very careful. So I gave myself three layers. We

501
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: had the enhanced doctors and their medical and scientific team.

502
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: I then had a doctor on the ground in America

503
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: who I'd see weekly, and then I had a doctor

504
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: back in Australia and an endochronologist back in Australia who

505
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: I would consult with all three levels to say, is

506
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: this safe? Am I tracking right? Is everything on board?

507
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: And I felt like that gave me the best transparency

508
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: so that I was sure that nobody was saying, let's

509
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: just give him a bit more to make him a

510
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: bit faster. And I think that's the That's sometimes people

511
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: look at it and they go, look what he looked

512
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: like behind the blocks. He must have been taking everything.

513
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: It must have been risky, it must have been, you know,

514
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: really dangerous for his health. Well, no, it wasn't. I

515
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: looked like that because and it was part of a

516
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: parcel of being that the type of athlete that I was.

517
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: But at all times my health was was at a peak.

518
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: I was actually the healthiest I've been probably ever, but

519
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: only since I retired.

520
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: How much of a being so healthy or feeling so

521
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: good and looking great do you think could have been

522
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: could have been just the discipline for that period of time,

523
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, seven days a week, nine o'clock bed, no booze,

524
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 2: no chocolate, no shit, and just mentally psyching yourself up.

525
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Have you sort of done that? Yeah, it was certainly

526
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: a big factor. It was certainly a big factor. But

527
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: the one difference was so before I went away, I was,

528
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: I was doing some training, and the max I could

529
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: do was one solid hit out a day. So if

530
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: I did a heavy gym session in the morning then

531
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: tried to swim in the afternoon, my body was just

532
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: like I was cooked. I was fried, or vice first.

533
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Or if I did a heavy swim session and tried

534
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: to lift that night done. So what the protocol allowed

535
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: me to do was just stack these workouts day after day,

536
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: without rest, without giving an example. Couldn't we have an

537
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: example overseas? I would do a two hour swim session

538
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: in the morning, go home, have lunch heavy. What are

539
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: we talking about? So really high intensity, higher pays, but

540
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: just efforts, high effort, high speed, high intensity, a lot

541
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: of resistance work. And that's probably everyone keeps asking me

542
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: the secret to the lats that they saw on When

543
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: you say resistance work. Yes, So what we'd tie like

544
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: parachutes to me in the water resistance cords, we'd have

545
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: weight stacks attached to my waist, so I'd be pulling

546
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: up to like one hundred kilos in a a weighted

547
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: pulley and swimming hard against it. And historically sports specific,

548
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: sports specific. Yeah, and this is it's a little bit

549
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: new in swimming as well. It hasn't been done for

550
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: a long time. We saw kem mckivoid did a lot

551
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: of this leading into the Paris Olympics and it worked

552
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: really well for him. So this is kind of cutting

553
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: edge stuff in a way. But because I was on

554
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: those protocols, this is really intense muscular and my body

555
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: is just eating it up and so that's that's contributing

556
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: to me growing day after day. And so I think

557
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: that type of training again, I will alter a little

558
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: bit knowing what I know now and how I respond

559
00:28:59,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: to that train.

560
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: And we talked about the stack in the second. But

561
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: in terms of nutrition, what was your protein protocol? So,

562
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: because obviously just no good unless there's protein going down

563
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: the system, what were you doing in relation to that?

564
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: So I was eating four five hundred calories a day,

565
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: you have three hundred grams of protein a day, three

566
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: three hundred.

567
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: Other words, that's multip by thirty hundred.

568
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: That's three.

569
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: That's like like fifteen hundred grams of meat or something

570
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: like that.

571
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: So it's shakes, it's meat, it's Greek yogurt, it's cottage cheese.

572
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: Every meal is just rammed with protein. Yeah, and what

573
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: about carbs cabs? We weren't tracking, Yeah, we did well.

574
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: I had a meal plan, but my main goal every

575
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: day was to hit my calories and hit my protein. Yeah.

576
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: How we filled that out? I basically and again this

577
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: is part of being militant. My dietitian would send me

578
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: my meal plan and time she'd say, you know, there's

579
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: not much variety in there. Do you want me to

580
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: change it up? I just saying, if it's chicken, rice

581
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: and broccoli for lunch, I'll eat chicken, rice and broccoli

582
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: for lunch. I don't care. And I think that's been

583
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: one of my biggest strengths throughout my career, and it

584
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: was it was really nice to get back into that

585
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: mindset of I wake up and my job is to

586
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: swim fast. I don't worry about businesses or relationships or responsibilities.

587
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I wake up and I swim fast, and I'll tell

588
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: you that was very refreshing as a thirty four year

589
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: old who's lived life now and has a perspective on

590
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: life and life's hard, the life's stressful. To wake up

591
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: again as an athlete and go through that process. Man,

592
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: it's amazing.

593
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this what you were taking and how

594
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: you took it. So are you taking things like BBC

595
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: one five seven? Yeah?

596
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: So a lot of my protocol was around staying injury

597
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: free and reducing that muscle soreness. So peptides are a

598
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: whole new world that way. So which can you can

599
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: you mention which peptoles you're taking? I mean it differed. Yeah,

600
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: your bpcs that that was That was a cornerstone and

601
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: something that I will continue to take, I think throughout

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: my life because I had all these historical injuries and niggles,

603
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: and as a swimmer, you're doing a thousand rotations a day.

604
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: It's really unnatural thing for your body. It's like running

605
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: on the road and bends up your knees. So just

606
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: just explain the BPC on seven. Were you taking that

607
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: in tableform injection? Injection form injection? Yeah, pretty much everything

608
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: I took was an injection form. It's it's the fastest uptake,

609
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: it's the most efficient.

610
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: So when we're doing that first thing in the morning,

611
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: how does that work? You get up in the morning,

612
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: start injecting yourself where you do it during the day.

613
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: Usually morning or night. So depending on what I was on,

614
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: on what times I might have so three or four

615
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: injections a day, which.

616
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: Which whether cocktails or were they just one.

617
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Single single things in single needles or pre drawn someone

618
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: did at the doctor. So I go to the doctor

619
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: and pick up say fifty pre drawn syringes with the

620
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: right amounts, you know, in a freezer bag that you

621
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: keep cold. So there's no guesswork. There's not like I'm

622
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: measuring out what do I take? What do I do?

623
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: It's very it's down to the Miller liter. Yeah, yeah,

624
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: there's no guesswork in it. And you didn't have to.

625
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: So you weren't the person drawing the whatever whatever the

626
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: compound was into the needle where you can make a mistake,

627
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: et cetera, too much not enough. It was actually everything

628
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: was measured so that there was someone was able to

629
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: report on exactly what you had.

630
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: And that's what I was able to do really easily

631
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: in America with these anti agent clinics that I was

632
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: going to.

633
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: So you just explained there's antiagent clinics in America.

634
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Basically, you go in, you get your blood's done, where

635
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: your hormones are that they do everything from cosmetic things

636
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: for women to chemical things for men, things like test

637
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: uster and replacement hormone replacement peptides PRP injections. Now over there,

638
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: stem cells are becoming more popular and more widely used.

639
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: So basically, when you're starting to slow down in life

640
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: and feel the effects of aging, you go to one

641
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: of these clinics and they no longer view it as

642
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: well you're getting older, so you just have to deal

643
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: with it. It's like, okay, here there are options for

644
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: you to live a more vital life, have more vitality

645
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: in your life for a longer period of time.

646
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: And they're testing you all the time too, to just

647
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: see where the outcomes are.

648
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I was doing some tests weekly, blood tests, fortnightly, body scans, monthly,

649
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: heart checkups, monthly. It was the first test I did

650
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: so after I spoke with you a year ago, I

651
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: went overseas to a sports hospital and did a really

652
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: in depth full body testing. Where was that. I'm not

653
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: allowed to say where it is because they're not fully

654
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: on board yet, but it was in the Middle East, right,

655
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: and it was a sports hospital. And I went through

656
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: heart scans, liver scans, kidneys, MRIs and X rays on

657
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: every joint in my body, scans on my brain, scans

658
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: on my lungs. They inject you with this die and

659
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: you go on an MRI machine and they see how

660
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: your your body pumps blood, your heart pumps blood around

661
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: your body. It's so in depth.

662
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: Is it like a preneuvo It was that the prenuvo

663
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: body scan?

664
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Is that that type of thing?

665
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: I know that, but that's a pretty pretty popular in America.

666
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it could be. Like they put it in MRI.

667
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: I was in I wouldn't do one in the US

668
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: in LA and I sat in it later for about

669
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: an hour and a half.

670
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's long, pretty freaky. Yeah, you got to try

671
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: and stay calm. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't know.

672
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't enjoy it at all.

673
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I went through it just for the

674
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: purpose of going through the process to see where you

675
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: can find or not find so they do. So this place,

676
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: the Middle East does all that because there's some pretty

677
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: crazy joints around the world where you can get some

678
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 2: unreal stuff done.

679
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'd say, you know, within reason, the Middle

680
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: East is probably leading the way on some of those things.

681
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting back, So I did all these

682
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: all these tests. I spent three days doing these medicals, scans,

683
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: MRIs everything, ECG tests. You know where you do the

684
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: exercise test they hook you up and all that stuff.

685
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I remember sitting basting your heart, testing my heart. Yeah,

686
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it was about heart. That's that was

687
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: the most important focus. And I think for a lot

688
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: of the data they got was around the heart. How

689
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: would the heart respond to these protocols, to these products,

690
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: particularly in an athlete. And I sat back, I was

691
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: in my hotel room. I'd finished three days of testing.

692
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: They say, come in tomorrow morning, we'll give you all

693
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the results. Will either give you the green light to

694
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: participate in the games, to go through the protocols, or

695
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: it is like a filter.

696
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: Was it that the people are running the games?

697
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: Yes, run Every athlete will have to do this before

698
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: they sign up for the games. Right, So if you

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: have any underlying hard condition. No chance you're not competing.

700
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: And I was sitting in the hotel that night and

701
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I was actually a bit nervous because

702
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I never had any of that testing done in my

703
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: life before. I actually didn't know if I had a

704
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: healthy heart or not. I assumed I was fit, I

705
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: was healthy, but you should know, we all should not.

706
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: I think everyone should know. You know, I was thirty four.

707
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: You see in certain sports around the world now people

708
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: are passing away from cardiac failure or cardiac arrest. It's

709
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: really quite concerning. And I've never had any of this

710
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: testing done. So I sat back in my hotel room

711
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: and thought, oh, I just assumed this would all go ahead.

712
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: You know, I never really thought of the possibilities when

713
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 1: in the next day, when they basically said for full

714
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: bill of health, they gave me a biological age of

715
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: twenty five, which is nice. I'm thirty four twenty five.

716
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: It's such quite a significant difference between thirty four and

717
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.

718
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they said, you know, you obviously haven't abused

719
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 1: alcohol or drugs or those sort of things through your life,

720
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: which has been great for your health, and we give

721
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: you the green light to go ahead, and that gave

722
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: me a lot of confidence in the whole process. Starting

723
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: there and understanding that the concern they had for my

724
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: health before I touched any performance and nancing drugs. It

725
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: gave me a lot of confidence in the process.

726
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: And it's great about that too, is you've got a

727
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: baseline before you touched any Yeah, and then so we

728
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: just talked. We did talk about BBC one five seven,

729
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: which is basically a peptide they've given America to sort of.

730
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if that the FDRE might just recently

731
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: aband it, but it doesn't matter.

732
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I think it's back. Now that's back, is it? So?

733
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy Junior's back.

734
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: Of course you can not take it as a and

735
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: now you can take it as either a tab's not

736
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: quite as biovailable through stomach, but it's actually apparently quite

737
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: good for your stomach as it is repairing your stomach

738
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: and most of us need to somebody repairs because with

739
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: what we consume, especially with it is but that's an injectable.

740
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: Did you take things like CJC ipromlean.

741
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah at times. Yeah, So things like CJC, things like

742
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: I just a precursor to growth. Hormones. Yeah. Yeah, so

743
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: peptides are basically maximizing your body's personal it's its own

744
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: ability to produce certain hormones or things naturally.

745
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: But it doesn't produce them.

746
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: It's not putting them into your body. It's maximizing your

747
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: body's natural potential essentially. Yeah, these are things with you

748
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of discussion, for example, in

749
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: the UFC around should we make some of these peptides

750
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: legal because our fighters are putting their body through hella.

751
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Surely the least we can do is help them help

752
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: their own bodies heel between fights. And it probably will

753
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: in time be proven that it helps to some of

754
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: that head trauma and cognitive function as well well.

755
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: The same and it's interesting you really brought up creatine.

756
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: One of the things that the same creatine does is

757
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: really good for brain.

758
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: Brain is amazing.

759
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's like accepted and I'll guarantee most

760
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: UFC athletes would be most fight athletes, martial artists would

761
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: competing would be taking creatiant of some type. Yeah, because

762
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: you know, if you're getting hit in the head, punched

763
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: in the head all the time. So so, but the

764
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: so the peptides were like there was a stack that

765
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: they gave you, like what I mean by stackers, like

766
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: a like a whole series of ones. And then do

767
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: they change it at some stages and say, okay, mate,

768
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: how are you feeling? They so let's add this in

769
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: or take that out.

770
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and beyond how you're feeling, what are your bloods

771
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: telling us? Right? Well, you know, things like cortisole levels

772
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: are showing how much stress there is in the body.

773
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: Different markers is show knowing how much muscle breakdown there

774
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: he is. So we're working with the medical team, the

775
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: scientific team who's saying, this is what's out there, this

776
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: is what's available, this is what it does. And they're

777
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: conversing with the medical team who's saying this is James's result.

778
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: And then below that there's the layer of my swim

779
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: coach and my strength coach saying this is how he's performing,

780
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: this is how things are working. And then to the side,

781
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: you've got your dietitian who's saying, all right, based off

782
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: the feedback I'm getting from these people, this is what

783
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: we're doing with diet. So it's a big team. It's

784
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: a big team, and it's you know, at times it's

785
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of opinions. It's discussing things as well, because

786
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: again you can't flip to page fifty of the handbook

787
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and say, all right, sprint swimmers have historically taken these

788
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: things and got these results. A lot of the research

789
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: or the studies or the data that they have is

790
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: actually on bodybuilders who don't need the same athletic output

791
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: as a sprint athlete does. So we were kind of

792
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: forging the way.

793
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: I think that's important for you to explain that because

794
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: bodybuilders just building for shape and mass correct not necessarily

795
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: for functionality. Yeah, and also efficiency like muscle efficiency of

796
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: what I mean is that muscle working with that muscle they.

797
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: Look ability to clear lactate and the ability to deliver

798
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: oxygen to the muscles. They're all byproducts of more aerobic

799
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: training or anaerobic training, hard work basically in terms of

800
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: putting on size, I mean, all those things work incredibly well.

801
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: You saw the product at the end of it. You know,

802
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: there was a time then when I couldn't stop putting

803
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: on weight, and I'm going, maybe we just quit this

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: and we go into like a mister Olympia or something.

805
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: This is insane.

806
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: So we will always be your greatest weight gain when

807
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: sort of what sort of period?

808
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Probably the first I think the first ten the first

809
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: ten days I gained about five kilos well, which was

810
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: just like and I mean, naturally it's not possible. You know,

811
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: you talk to people like it's not possible. Yeah, well yeah,

812
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing by the rules so to speak. You know,

813
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: I was using these enhancements. And that just shows when

814
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: you take the foot off the break and just see

815
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: what's possible. These things do what they say, and for

816
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: an athlete and who you know. Again, I was a

817
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: hyper responder. But it wasn't even like I was trying

818
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: to get bigger. I was training like a fifty meter freestyle.

819
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: I was training power. I was just training my strength.

820
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: I was training hard in the pool, resistance work. The

821
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: weight was just a byproduct. It was never the goal.

822
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: And just in terms of you're lifting abillity. For example,

823
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if a swimming does bench press, but

824
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: do you do bench press.

825
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: As yeah, we're doing compound with dumbells. Oh yeah, okay,

826
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: so I had one hundred and fifteen one hundred and

827
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: twenty pounds dumbells, say fifty five kilo dumbells and I

828
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: was just punching out sets of ten like it was nothing,

829
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: which I don't even know if before that I would

830
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: have been able to pick up a fifty five kilo

831
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: dumbell Like that's pretty heavy. So that's the biggest one

832
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: you find in a gym. Basically squats. I was squatting

833
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: five hundred pounds, which is like two hundred and thirty kilos.

834
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: I was doing reps sets of three chin ups of

835
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: sixty kilos hanging around my waist plast one hundred and

836
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: fifteen kilos body weight. My strength was crazy. I was jumping, throwing.

837
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: All those athletic indicators were off the charts, and it

838
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: was happening quite quickly. You actually when you first walked

839
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: into the studio.

840
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Says, I don't know from my imagination, but you look

841
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 2: younger in your face.

842
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

843
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: Do you feel that there's been changes in the way

844
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: you look your face offto a bt weird eyes, weirdly.

845
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: I do, And it may just been enthusiasm for life.

846
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel I feel younger.

847
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: I can feel an energy like that you didn't have.

848
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: Maybe that's because a year ago you weren't that fit.

849
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: It could be you hadn't gone through your you know

850
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: what your body actually responds to, training, discipline, structure, eating regularly,

851
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: certain things at a regular time, et cetera. May have

852
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: been then you weren't because of the way you're living

853
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: your life. I'm not saying you're a slot or anything,

854
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: but relatively speaking, but I just do.

855
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Get a sense of energy and positivity, et cetera. I

856
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: think almost when I spoke to you last time, I

857
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: was excited about the opportunity, but there was an underlying

858
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: trepidation around, yeah, are these things actually safe? Will these

859
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: games actually happen? Are the team that enhanced the real deal?

860
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: And now I've been there, I've lived, I've seen it,

861
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: I've seen behind the scenes, I've met the people in charge,

862
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: and it gave me a new spur, a new burst

863
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: of energy and excitement for this project. And now I've

864
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: seen the waves it's making around the world. And you know,

865
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: I've met other athletes that are competing. I've done the protocol,

866
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: I've seen the results. I know it's not unsafe. It's

867
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: kind of validified everything, validated everything that I suspected, and

868
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: it has given me a new lease on life. And

869
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: I feel like an athlete again. That's that's when I'm

870
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: my happiest. What about the Greek dude brought the regular crazy?

871
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: What happened? It was an amazing story. So basically Christian Golomeive,

872
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: He's sounded like a Greek name to me. He brought

873
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: in Bulgaria. Okay, born in Bulgaria to Bulgarian parents. His

874
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: mother died whilst giving birth to him, moved to Greece

875
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: with his father. His father then passed away, and so

876
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: he's had he's had a pretty tough go at it,

877
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: and he's swum at the past five Olympics. At the

878
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: past two Olympics, he's finished fifth in the fifty free style.

879
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: So I was there in the crowd watching him at

880
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: the Paris Olympics. Basically I was in California training and preparing,

881
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: and he actually had seen me in a podcast and said,

882
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: I want to do the games as well, and they

883
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: said James is going for this record attempt. But that's

884
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: after so he went.

885
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: He did the enhancements as well, yes, but that was

886
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: after Paris.

887
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he raises in Paris as a clean athlete.

888
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: He's thirty years of age, so he's four years younger

889
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: than me. He's thirty years of age, and for all

890
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, he says, I'm done with my career.

891
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: He sees me in a podcast and goes, oh, I

892
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: don't mind the idea of this enhanced games. Guess in

893
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: contact with them. He's speaking with them, and they said, well,

894
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: actually James is over and here in California right now,

895
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 1: and he's going to have a crack at the world

896
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: record in a couple of months time. Would you like

897
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: to come across and have a crack protocols, same protocols. Yeah,

898
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: So he comes across and starts training with me, which

899
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: was a great motivated for me because I'm like, oh,

900
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: now I'm training against the fifth fastest kind in the world. Though,

901
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: this is good to see where I'm at, and when

902
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: I talk about how I peaked in December, he basically

903
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: comes across and starts all the protocols later and stuff

904
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: like that, so his timeline pushes up really nicely to

905
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: the actual event in Greensborough. We get to Greensboro and

906
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: the last week or two he weren't swimming that much together,

907
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: and I knew he was in good shape. I knew

908
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: he'd been doing the same training as me. He's been

909
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: on the protocol only for a very short period of time,

910
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: but he's got that quick upkicker that I got at

911
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: the start, and he wasn't going to race that week,

912
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: but they said, oh, you're here, James is doing it.

913
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: Why don't you suit up and see how you go?

914
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: Puts a suit on, doesn't attempt world record? Just then

915
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: and there nobody in the stands, no one around. We're

916
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: just saying there going what that just happened? Like that

917
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: was incredible, And so for me it was a little

918
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: bit of sweet at first because I was like, that

919
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: was meant to be me. And I knew that week

920
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: that did he win the million bucks? Do you want

921
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: a million bucks? Last spot? Yeah? Changed his life, more

922
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: money than he'd ever made in his entire Nice. It's nice.

923
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: He's got a wife, he's got a young kid than us.

924
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: It's changed the trajectory of their life drastically, And so

925
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: I was. I was so happy for.

926
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: Him structurally, like I saw I saw a for me.

927
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: I didn't actually see him out of the pool. But

928
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: he's not that doesn't have your sort of statue, does he.

929
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: He's six seven. Wow, it's taller than he's total yeah,

930
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm six five. He's six seven. Wow. But so I

931
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: was big though, No, we were talking in pounds over

932
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: there a lot. So I was two hundred and fifty

933
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: five pounds. He was about two hundred and fifteen pounds.

934
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Significant forty pounds. It's like fifteen sixteen.

935
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: Kilos lighter them and two inches taller.

936
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: And two inches taller. Yeah, so very different frames. He

937
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: has more, But did he muscle up? He so throughout

938
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: the process. So after he broke the world record, he

939
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: continued on the protocol for the full twelve weeks, which

940
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: is how long the ideal time frame is, and by

941
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: the end of that protocol he'd put on ten pounds,

942
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: but his swimming times were still out of this world.

943
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: So in other words, he put on less muscle than you,

944
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: but built up a significant amount of extra strength.

945
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: Yes, from there. And that just is a product of

946
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: different DNA, different genetics, different types of athletes. And so

947
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: for him, like you said before, you know, when I

948
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: was younger, I'd sit up really nice and high in

949
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: the water. He was still in that position. However, he

950
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: had all this extra strength from that uptick that he

951
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: got from the protocols, and he'd come across from the Olympics, right,

952
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: So he's had NonStop, you know, the past fifteen years

953
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: of training, so there was no I need to get

954
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: back into it, I need to get a feel, I

955
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: need that skill acquisition phase. He was just sort of

956
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: straight into it. But what it did, you know, it

957
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: was weird watching and I was really happy for him.

958
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: He's a great guy, you know, he's he hasn't had

959
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: had it easy, and I was really happy for him

960
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: a bit. It'd have to be the first Greek swimmer

961
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: ever to break away. I don't think he's happened for No,

962
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: I don't think so either.

963
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: But but not the first Bulgarian to break a record.

964
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: No, not the first Bulgarian. Yeah, and it's a very

965
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: Bulgarian name he's got, but his young son, Theenos, that

966
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: is a very Greek, very Greek. But it was a

967
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: bittersweet moment because I was like, ah, that was supposed

968
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: to be me, and I knew by the time I

969
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: got there that I wasn't swimming at my best. But

970
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: what it did was it showed the world, Hey, this works,

971
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 1: this works, this is the real deal. We've We've taken

972
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: this guy from fifth at the Olympics he's come across

973
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: and within two or three months he's broken the world

974
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: record that that had been standing for fifteen years. So

975
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: so he broke the two thousand nine record. He broke

976
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: that record. That was is the only much James point two?

977
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: So what were we talking about it in terms of

978
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: body now? Finger oop? Yeah it was close. Two hundreds yeah,

979
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: two hundreds yeah, yeah, and but no one. I mean

980
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: at the Olympic Games. I think Ken mcavoyd won in

981
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: say twenty one point two, twenty one point three, So

982
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: Christian was about half a second faster than what won

983
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: the Olympic Games within that that short.

984
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: Time and half a seconds A fair bit though, yeah half.

985
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: A second you're talking st two meters yeah yeah, I

986
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: was going to say more than body length. Yeah, you're

987
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: swimming at more than two meters a second. So but

988
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: did you?

989
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you watched him pre

990
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: maybe did pre enhancements, watched him in race?

991
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: But did is it because his kick was bigger?

992
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: I watched him. I didn't know what he used to

993
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: look like. But was it his reach or his drive

994
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: or he's kicked him? Did you look at the biber?

995
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of things. He got more off

996
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: the start, he got more power, so he.

997
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: Got right out. Yeah, and under the water.

998
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Under the water is not his best area, right, But

999
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: he got up. He got up and was stroking pretty quickly.

1000
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: But his last and when you look at it as

1001
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: a comparison the data, his last fifteen meters was the

1002
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: quickest we've ever seen. So he didn't fatigue at the

1003
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: same rate as he was previously.

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: Most people were thinking fifty meters, you know, Grand Hack.

1005
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: At fifteen hundred meters, what are you talk about fatiguing?

1006
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you could explain that as a as a sprinter,

1007
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: what does that mean?

1008
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: So fifty meters it's twenty seconds or twenty one seconds.

1009
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: It's the same as two hundred meters on the track.

1010
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: So one hundred meters on the track you can pretty

1011
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: much put the foot to the pedal to the metal

1012
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: and go full bore. Two hundred meters. You have to

1013
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: be smart about it still, because that's outside your atp

1014
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: PC system. You're working is your energy system. And yeah,

1015
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: it's outside that pure speed energy system, and you're working

1016
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: into lactate production. And so that last fifteen meters, that

1017
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: last five seconds of the fifty freestyle, it hurts. You know,

1018
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: you have really high lactic acid levels in your blood.

1019
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: Things start to tighten up, things start to hurt, and

1020
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: that's where it's really important to stay high in the water,

1021
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: stay really technical and kind of blasts through that last

1022
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: fifteen meters And that's that's where he swam faster than

1023
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: any other athlete in history.

1024
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: So, like you were saying, his last fifteen meters was

1025
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: perhaps enhanced, obviously enhanced compare what he would ordinarily do.

1026
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: So what he did in Paraslympics, certainly, Yeah, certainly.

1027
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing with Christian was, you know, I

1028
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: watched his preparation and it had been such a short

1029
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: time and things just stacked up so well for him.

1030
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: I reckon Christian could drop another half a second off

1031
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: that world record with a longer preperation. With now knowing

1032
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: what we all know about the protocols that we can

1033
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: and can't and should and shouldn't do about the effects

1034
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: of different things. I mean, I think some of these

1035
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: world records are going to get shattered. So I think

1036
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: it's important that we start sort of talking about them

1037
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: as the fastest swims in history rather than world records,

1038
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: because these are going to start to go above and

1039
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: beyond what we've seen previously.

1040
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: And so could I just quickly talk about testosterone, but

1041
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: like being a steroid that you were taking, so the

1042
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: other stuff at peptides, how do you how do they

1043
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: what's sort of tests from you're taking like it is

1044
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: like as in TRT style testosterone or is they're giving

1045
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: you some of those bodybuilder type things.

1046
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're called. No, Yeah, it's

1047
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: just your more tr T type your hormone replace just

1048
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: just prop a hormone. You're not needing to get too

1049
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: freaky with it. Yeah, yeah, and again you know, you

1050
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: get it, you go to the doctor, you get prescribed,

1051
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: you get pharmaceutical grade, and basically you feel like an

1052
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: eighteen year old. Again, that's a great way to feel.

1053
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, just in terms of that, like, so let's

1054
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: say the range for testosterone free testosterone in your body

1055
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: is so I think the lower range is nine, and

1056
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: it can go up to the normal range goes up

1057
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: to twenty five or twenty eight or.

1058
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: Something of that.

1059
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 2: Were you measuring sort of way beyond that like forty fives.

1060
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: And forty No most of the time, So what you

1061
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: find if you take a spike or it would no,

1062
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: we stayed saying that in the higher range to maybe

1063
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: just outside that natural range.

1064
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: But so it was a daily but it was a

1065
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: daily dose to give you at one level. It wasn't

1066
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: would they give you a shot on.

1067
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: Twice a week, twice twice a week, and that kind

1068
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: of keeps it pretty flat. And if you test that

1069
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: a normal athlete who's in full training camp or full

1070
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: training mode, their testosterone results will actually come back as

1071
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: quite low because basically you're all the testosterone and the

1072
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: hormones you're you're producing is going into recovering muscles or

1073
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: repairing muscles, and you're constantly chipping away at it. What

1074
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: I had was basically high level test austerone which a

1075
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: person could get to naturally, but not an athlete who's

1076
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: training full bore and breaking down their body, because to improve,

1077
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: you essentially have to break down the muscle. It repairs,

1078
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: it gets stronger, it gets fitter, it gets more efficient,

1079
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: and so athletes and my historical results were my testosterone

1080
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: at peak training would be quite low, whereas this time

1081
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: during peak training I had quite high levels. Therefore, you know,

1082
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: I had an energy I was bounding out of bed

1083
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: in the morning, I felt motivated. I was able to,

1084
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, push harder than I had previously been able to.

1085
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: It was a good at motivation. Like does it give

1086
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: you that full motivated fear?

1087
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: It gives you It gives you a thirst for life,

1088
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: even mentally in terms of like your approach to things

1089
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: that might rattle you normally, or or things that might

1090
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: give you a bit of anxiety or you know, trepidation

1091
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: or anything. You just blast through life. And added effect,

1092
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: you're sleeping, sleeping longer, sleeping deep, sleep better. Yeah, more

1093
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: more ram and more deep. So your WOP was telling

1094
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: you more. Yeah, I have the craziest stats on my WOP.

1095
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: So so what are we talking about on WOP? Now?

1096
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 2: Just can we just go on sleep for example? Yeah,

1097
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: so I presume you're wearing this in the water and

1098
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: at night, et cetera, and look in the morning, you know,

1099
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: look at your recovery, et cetera.

1100
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: What was your telling you.

1101
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: About, for example, just just talk of sleep. So pressing

1102
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: on the sleep button, what was it telling about sleep?

1103
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: Is it what is it saying in terms of sleep efficiency?

1104
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: What was it talking about sleep in terms of your

1105
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: sleep duration? Was it was telling you in relation to

1106
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: deep sleep and regenerative sleep generally, which includes REM street

1107
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: sleep as a percentage of your title, What does it

1108
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: look like?

1109
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: Yes, I stacked up leading into that Christmas where I

1110
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: said I was really peaking physically. I stacked up about

1111
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: six weeks straight one hundred percent sleep efficiency, which was

1112
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: just crazy. I was getting about four and a half

1113
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: hours of regenerative sleep and a half hours, So that's

1114
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: a combined of REM and deep sleep, so almost two hours.

1115
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: Now mine was last night combined one half hours. Well yeah,

1116
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: because I DIDN'TET, had really late and I was all

1117
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: wound up and from work and I had to get

1118
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: up early, ceterbidly and fricks out on it.

1119
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: It does, it does, But yeah, it does. You want

1120
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: to share it with to show someone? And what other

1121
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: stats were good? So what about HIV for example? So

1122
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: my HIV was getting up over two hundred. Yeah, it

1123
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: was probably averaging out there around the one sixty to

1124
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: one eighty.

1125
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 2: And I was talking to James Edesco the other day

1126
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: the RUGBIY play and he tells me he gets at

1127
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: one forty one fifty.

1128
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but two hundred, and this is I would like

1129
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: to work with because I don't know if they've seen

1130
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: numbers like this before, I guarantee not. My resting heart

1131
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: rate was twenty eight No. Yeah, and I've got all

1132
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: the data back, Yeah, twenty eight, twenty eight. So when

1133
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: I was competing, I used to I did, used to

1134
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: have quite a low resting heart rate. Say so this

1135
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: this just some people know. This is your heart rate

1136
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: when you're asleep, so they yeah, this is the average

1137
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: of your heart rate across that sleeping period. So at

1138
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: times it was dipping down to like twenty four. No,

1139
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: the average across the night twenty eight, which is.

1140
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: Like if I get a fifty, I'm happy. Yeah.

1141
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean I remember hearing about Lance Armstrong. I can't

1142
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: remember the numbers, but I know he was in the twenties.

1143
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not something athletes talk about a lot.

1144
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: But it's got a lot to do not just with enhancements,

1145
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: it's got a lot to do with your general fitness

1146
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: and health.

1147
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. And like I said, the lifestyle, I mean I

1148
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: was eating, sleeping, recovering. Everything was perfect. There was there

1149
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: was no alcohol, there was no chocolates, So what could

1150
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: I actually work?

1151
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: So just on the river, what was your respiratory rate,

1152
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, the number of breast.

1153
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about fourteen point eight, which I don't

1154
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: think is that extraordinary.

1155
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: No, No, that's I'm about that. I'm about fourteen point something.

1156
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it didn't it didn't come down.

1157
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: It didn't come down. That's interesting at all.

1158
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, which it didn't move around either. It didn't

1159
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: go sixteen twelve was No, it was pretty consistent. Yeah,

1160
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: it was pretty consistent. But my heart rate variability, I

1161
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: mean when I first went over there, if I got

1162
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: up to one hundred heart rate variability, it would be

1163
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: telling me, you know, your recovery is perfect, go hard today.

1164
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: It just tracked in a linear progression. Must have been

1165
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: getting green every day. Yeah. And the only reason it

1166
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: stopped tracking up was because I finished in Greensboro. I

1167
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: came home and sort of relaxed and stopped training.

1168
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 2: And just because you're still wearing it, is it much

1169
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: difference you're not, he's still doing the enhancements.

1170
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: What do you call it? No, I'm off, Yeah, you're

1171
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: off everything. So what difference you see now? Resting heart

1172
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: rate about forty four, heart rate very ability max. At

1173
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: the moment, I think it's probably been one twenty. Is

1174
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: the biggest I've seen. They're still pretty good by but yeah,

1175
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: it's not bad, but the numbers were getting and I mean,

1176
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: and again that's its measures of health, right. Yeah, I

1177
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: was a ever been in history. I think, ridiculously healthy, ridiculous.

1178
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: So at one stage, so I had to go and

1179
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: redo the tests where they inject you with the with

1180
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: the die, you go on the MRI and they see

1181
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: how your bloo's pumping or anybody. And we had to

1182
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: redo it twice because my heart was pumping slow, so slow,

1183
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: it's almost going one beat every three seconds. They're going,

1184
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: we just can't track it properly because it's so low.

1185
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: And then they wanted to do these tests in La

1186
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: up at the hospital, and they said, we can't send

1187
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: him up to the hospital, a general hospital in La

1188
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: because if they see his resting heart rates below thirty,

1189
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: I think he's going to die. They'll resuscitate it. I

1190
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: think he's something wrong with it. They'll put the paddles

1191
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: on y. Yeah, and so but they're all sitting back

1192
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: and then the cardiologists and endochronologists involved and they're going,

1193
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: this is amazing. We were so worried about his heart health.

1194
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: His heart's more efficient, it's stronger, it hasn't thickened, his

1195
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: blood hasn't thickened. We're watching it in live time. This

1196
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: is one of the healthiest hearts we've ever seen. When

1197
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: everything we're being told beforehand was if you do performance

1198
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: and anything drugs, your heart's shot. You're going to have

1199
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: a heart attack at fifty years of age.

1200
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: I think by no means it just what do you

1201
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: call it? The fool and scientists?

1202
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: Bro science? Yeah, bro science.

1203
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: But I think you said something quit before you You're

1204
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: everything you were doing, you're dosing at the low end. Yeah,

1205
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: I mean maybe yeah, like everything. If you know, maybe

1206
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: one glass wine is not too bad for you, but

1207
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: victory ten and you've got a problem. Yeah, you know,

1208
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: et cetera.

1209
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: And I think it'd be great that the conversation around

1210
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: these products should be it's not about the use of them,

1211
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: it's about the misuse. Yeah, because people abuse anything, right,

1212
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: Like if you make alcohol legal, people don't drink. You

1213
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: make it legal. Some people are going to drink one

1214
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: hundred beers. Some people are going to be sensible. Any

1215
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: drug in history has had misuse or abuse, and that's

1216
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: when people want to push the limits and get too

1217
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: big or too strong, or you know, bodybuilders, different sports.

1218
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: But what they're doing with enhanced is, rather than doing

1219
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: drug testing before you're allowed to compete, you have to

1220
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: do this full in depth health analysis. And if you're

1221
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: not healthy because you've been abusing performance in the substances,

1222
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: you're out. You just can't compete. And so suddenly it's

1223
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: this whole new world of we don't want the cleanest athletes,

1224
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: we want the healthiest athletes standing behind the blocks. And

1225
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: what that should produce is the fastest athletes as well.

1226
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: That should be a byproduct of having the healthiest athletes.

1227
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: We've also got the quickest athletes.

1228
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: Can you remind me again who's behind this? Like the individuals?

1229
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: So Aaron Desuza is the founder. You've got Peter tier

1230
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: bit about Aaron de Susan. So, Aaron was from America.

1231
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: He worked for Peter Tiele, he was a lawyer. He's

1232
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: now in he's worked in venture capital and different things.

1233
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: He's based in London, but now the whole games has

1234
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: moved across to New York. So basically since I was

1235
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: here last there was an election, a new leadership, Donald

1236
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: Trump Junior and his venture capital firm invested quite heavily

1237
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: in Enhanced. Donald Games is an entity.

1238
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: Enhance is actually a business, a business.

1239
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Donald Trump came out and endorsed the Games and said

1240
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: he wanted them to be held in America. So Enhance

1241
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: packed up all their operations moved everything to New York.

1242
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: They've since announced that the Games will be held in

1243
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, which is awesome, perfect. Yeah, and now it's

1244
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: got the supportive of the American government, which is basically

1245
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: the green light in to run an event like this.

1246
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of politics in the world.

1247
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of politics in sport. There's different federations

1248
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: and commissions and governing bodies. But you know, within reason,

1249
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: once you've got the support of certain people, then you

1250
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want.

1251
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 2: It sounds like a business to me, though, something's going

1252
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: to come out of this. Is going to become a business.

1253
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: So what I couldn't understand. I was sitting back and

1254
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, Peter Thiel invested. There was you know, a

1255
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: couple of families, private equity families from the Middle East,

1256
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, princes and stuff investing, and I thought, you know,

1257
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a great concept. I think it could

1258
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: do a really big audience, you'd sell tickets. I think

1259
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: the broadcast numbers would be solid. But why are they investing?

1260
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, they've got billions of dollars in funds invested

1261
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: into this. Why do they need that much money? And

1262
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: what's the return on that? It didn't make sense to me.

1263
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: So they announced while they're in Vegas. Then Enhanced Enhanced

1264
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: Limited will do direct to consumer products.

1265
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: So James enhanced them and to those endings that owns

1266
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 2: Enhanced games, they will.

1267
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: Do direct to consumer products. If they said when, you

1268
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: can sign up now and it will launch the next

1269
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: couple of months as a weight list a weight list,

1270
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: and to my understanding, it will be you go to

1271
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: your local doctor, you do your bloods, you send your

1272
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: results off to Enhanced and they will custom make a

1273
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: protocol based off your personal In America, they're not here.

1274
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: Only in America for now, which is the biggest market

1275
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: in this space. I think eventually it will be global,

1276
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: but for now, the jurisdictions of different countries are two streets,

1277
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 1: so it will start in America. You know what I'd

1278
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: like to eventually do is you know I'd love to

1279
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: do it with Enhanced Could we do a missile stack

1280
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: or a what does that look like? But once I

1281
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: heard that, I was like, Okay, this is this is

1282
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: a sporting event to promote an industry. This is the

1283
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: anti aging industry that's getting into here. It's a launch.

1284
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: This launching an anti aging brand.

1285
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: Good Enhanced And if you the way I kind of

1286
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: think about it, you know, I sat back and I

1287
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: thought about deeply. I guess red Bull is a product.

1288
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: They've always run sporting events and sponsored athletes. Red Bulls

1289
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: always been the product. But they don't to They don't

1290
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: super heavily promote that product. You just know it's you know,

1291
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: the red Bull X fighters or the Red Bull Dirt

1292
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: Park or whatever it is, and they don't go that

1293
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: heavy on the actual branding of a can of red Bull.

1294
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: But you know that Red Bulls are product involved with

1295
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: these sports and you know that. You know that that

1296
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: for a lot.

1297
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 2: But the biggest events, the big events that they sponsor.

1298
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah they're there, and that that drives all the consumers

1299
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: to their product. This for the for the anti aging space,

1300
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: for for that that whole world you'll see enhanced and go, well,

1301
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: look at these amazing athletes, and that will filter into

1302
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: the product.

1303
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: So maybe you can just give us a bit of

1304
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 2: a sense of what it goes on in the US.

1305
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: But the USA, when it comes to anti aging is

1306
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: out of control, and I mean in a good way,

1307
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: Like it is so focused on anti aging compared to say,

1308
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: what we have here.

1309
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: It's just mental.

1310
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: What are some experiences that you know in this little

1311
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: journey that you've just gone through over the last four

1312
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:28,919
Speaker 2: or five months, whatever.

1313
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: Is probably a year.

1314
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 2: What do you think about that we're moving away from

1315
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: the enhanced games? What do you think about the whole

1316
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: anti aging game as such? Because it should be called

1317
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: the NDIE aging games, and that's a game that's perpetual,

1318
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: it doesn't stop as every generation, your generation, my generator.

1319
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: None of us want to die. We all want to

1320
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: live longer. That's probably you know.

1321
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 2: The you know, the youth Alixa has been been sought

1322
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: after for a long time. Maybe finally someone's going to

1323
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 2: maybe get it closer to discovering.

1324
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 1: I think we're getting closer. I think the really interesting

1325
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: thing has been you know, these are really big, really

1326
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: powerful people involved with these games, and the more people

1327
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: I've met, it almost feels like the more wealth you've

1328
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: accumulated across the years, the more you realize, Okay, the

1329
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: one thing that I can't buy now time is time.

1330
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,520
Speaker 1: And everybody wants.

1331
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: An optimization during the time.

1332
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, an ability to have energy to your last breath.

1333
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: And if you're if what you're saying is correct, and

1334
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: let's say I could get fifty percent of it, of

1335
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 2: that energy and that feeling and that optimism and that

1336
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: ability to wake up in the morning, I want to

1337
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: go training whatever is because right now when I wake

1338
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 2: up and training, I'm going to training training. I don't swim,

1339
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: but I would go training to do what I do

1340
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 2: because I have to, I know, because I think, fuck

1341
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: you better train to day mark. Even though I feel

1342
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 2: like jack shit this morning and I look at my

1343
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: I looked at that I had had a red circle

1344
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 2: and still but I still went because I thinking I've

1345
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: got to do it just to maintain my position like

1346
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: physically and meant et cetera. But if unbelievable because sometimes

1347
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 2: like if you have a great sleep, like let's say,

1348
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 2: wake up on a Sunday morning, because I had a

1349
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: great surlum Saturday night and maybe let's say slept eight hours,

1350
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: I train so much better. And then when I train

1351
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 2: so much better. I feel so much better. Imagine if

1352
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 2: you can do that every day of the week, you

1353
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: never feel tired, never feels especially my age, like I

1354
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: would I would like. I don't give it, damn as

1355
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: long as I know it's safe and that someone scientifically

1356
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: is monitoring it, managing it and sort of looking at

1357
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 2: my bloods and doing anything. Because I mean, I'm not

1358
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 2: competing it, so I don't give it care. I don't

1359
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: care if I'm enhanced, you know, because someone might say,

1360
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: we're going to eat these sorts of fruits and vegetables.

1361
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: It's the same deal.

1362
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 2: They're all chemicals and molecules, and you know, nature's made

1363
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 2: like they're all come from from something.

1364
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: They're not sort of being plucked out of the.

1365
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: Out of the stratosphere some whether they're here for a reason.

1366
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: When you break it down to a cellular level, any

1367
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: problem is fixable, and in time, I think we will

1368
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: cure aging, which is really exciting. It's one of the

1369
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: few things and this may be a product of being

1370
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: an athlete. My identity has always been intrinsically linked with

1371
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: being big, fast, strong, healthy, healthy. That's that's vital, that

1372
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: that's who I am and you know, as I you know,

1373
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm only in my mid thirties, which is by no

1374
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: means all, but as I see that next phase of

1375
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: life coming, it actually scares me a bit because it's like,

1376
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: all right, if I'm not the big, far strong guy,

1377
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: who am I? Yeah? You know, I didn't go to university.

1378
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: I haven't spent my life in the business world. You know,

1379
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: who am I beyond this career? And you know, how

1380
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: do I stay that larger than life guy who's big,

1381
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: far strong, you know, healthy.

1382
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 2: To maintain my identity and relevancy?

1383
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see it a lot in It's happened

1384
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot in swimming over the years. People have faced

1385
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: this exonstential crisis when they retire because they lose it

1386
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: that they're no longer the big, strong, fast guy, they're

1387
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,480
Speaker 1: no longer the swimmer, that they feel different in themselves

1388
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: and they turn to different things to fill that void,

1389
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: and it's caused a lot of problems for a lot

1390
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: of athletes in retirement.

1391
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: Did you follow on with various protocols? People like Brian Johnson?

1392
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: So what do you think of those sorts of people,

1393
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 2: because they're not athletes, but they are.

1394
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: He's a walking experiment. He's almost more at the cutting

1395
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: edge than what we were doing. Stuff we're doing he

1396
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: did probably a decade ago, and he's pushing the boundaries

1397
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: and at times he's finding things don't work, which is

1398
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: also must be quite scary in and of itself. But

1399
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: if you don't have pioneers like that who are pushing

1400
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: the boundaries of what's possible, then you're not going to

1401
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: make medical advancements because otherwise they're just testing these things

1402
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: on animals. Yeah. Yeah, but what do you think he's

1403
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:01,440
Speaker 1: so divisive?

1404
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: Like so many people, a lot of people really love him,

1405
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 2: and following him, a lot of people just rip. Yeah,

1406
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 2: why do you think that? I mean, you must have

1407
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 2: had some time reflect on this stuff.

1408
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think the industry as a whole at

1409
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: the moment carries some connotations around this is rich men

1410
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: wanting to live longer, and there's a little bit of

1411
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: animosity towards that concept. And when you think about the

1412
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: people that are at the forefront of this space in America,

1413
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: and you talk about your Dana White's and your Donald

1414
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: Trump's strong personalities, strong men, successful men. Yeah, Joe Rogan,

1415
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: And again, is this enhanced games is about breaking down

1416
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: some of those stigmas. You know, here's some athletes, here's

1417
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: how they're responding, here's their health metrics. This isn't sketchy stuff.

1418
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, people jump down Joe Rogan's throat when he

1419
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: speaks about testosterone or anything like that. But it's a

1420
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: new world.

1421
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's interesting you're prepared to eat sort of

1422
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: right along with it because mainly because you've tested it, it

1423
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: hasn't really didn't do any damage that you can see.

1424
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: That you can see, and then of course you've had

1425
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: a double check by various layers. Yeah, what about things

1426
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: like you know, like I'm at an age where you

1427
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: see you see urologist every six months for your prostate?

1428
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: What about things like.

1429
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: Testosteroney and prostag Do you have to see a consult

1430
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: of eurologist about this stuff?

1431
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: I haven't had to yet.

1432
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: Do you do any PSA testing all that sort of?

1433
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: Just because of my age and health, it's it hasn't

1434
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: been front and center.

1435
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe do you get worried though?

1436
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: James?

1437
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: At five years time, you you know, you grow another

1438
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 2: tit or something like, you know, do you think this

1439
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 2: shit maybe is going to be delayed?

1440
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: I have thought about that, and I have thought about,

1441
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, fertility and having kids. Yeah, thirty four, I

1442
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: don't have any kids.

1443
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: Do you get those things tested like sperm tests, etc. Yeah,

1444
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: that's part of the protocol testing.

1445
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And basically whenever I have fears or questions

1446
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: like that, I've got access to the top medical professionals

1447
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: in the world. So I don't sit back and spend

1448
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: time or I've never lived my life about what if

1449
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: I should I or shouldn't I. I just pick up

1450
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: the phone and call them and say, hey, well what

1451
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 1: about you know you don't ruminate on it. No, No,

1452
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: I'm quite pragmatic, And I'll just wring my cardiologist in

1453
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: the Middle East and say, hey, I know my heart's

1454
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: healthy now, but could something come up? And he'll just

1455
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 1: sit down there and he'll give me the facts. Well,

1456
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: based on every bit of data we have on you

1457
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: so far, absolutely not your heart your heart got healthier.

1458
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: So what would happen from a chemical level, Like if

1459
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: we sit back now, I'm on nothing, I have a

1460
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: baseline health now, I'm very healthy right now. From a

1461
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: chemical level, what would happen now in you know, after

1462
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: the fact, that would cause your heart any stress from

1463
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: a biological standpoint, there's there's nothing.

1464
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: Giving your scientific deductions.

1465
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: They're telling me the science. Yeah, as opposed to you.

1466
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: You're and or I are sitting around sort of worrying

1467
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: about ship that we might have saw in a sci

1468
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 2: fi movie or something, or read the book or got

1469
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: heard from the background noise of someone at a gym

1470
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: like twenty years ago or something like that.

1471
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just just to close off.

1472
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 2: So when you start, when you kick off a training

1473
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 2: again for the Enhanced Games, which is is May next year,

1474
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 2: May next year, so when you start with the series training.

1475
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: So I'm in talks right now with a couple of

1476
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: different options of places to go and train and do

1477
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: the protocol again back in America, though America is an option.

1478
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: There's some options in the Middle East, but not here.

1479
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to you know, above and

1480
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: beyond anything else, I'd love to be able to do

1481
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: it any where. Were you from. Are you a Queensland?

1482
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: Because a lot of mccurey, because a lot of queensids

1483
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 2: killing it at the moment that they've been doing so well.

1484
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: Because the pools and the infrastructure is great up there.

1485
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: It'd be great if you could measure. If you could

1486
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: train the Gold Coast.

1487
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: It'd be amazing. Basically, the way that the current federation

1488
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: stand is, I wouldn't be allowed to train with current athletes.

1489
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, because somebody might come into your skin in

1490
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: the pool or something.

1491
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's almost more a moral

1492
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: or ethical standpoint than anything. Don't pollute our good cabin yeah,

1493
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: something like that. So I need to go back overseas

1494
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: and for the protocol as well. Again, maybe there is

1495
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: a doctor I could find in Australia that would be

1496
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: able to do everything that I wanted, but people get

1497
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: deregistered pretty quickly. Yeah, and to put yourself put your

1498
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: name to James Magnus and who's in the Enhanced Games.

1499
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 1: That's difficult in itself. So I'm looking at my options.

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Speaker 1: I'll probably have to go overseas, but I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: at peace with that. I'm just so excited this timmer around.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm coming in. We've got a date, we've

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Speaker 1: got a location, there's other athletes, we've got a world record,

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Speaker 1: we've got protocols. So this time it's you know that

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Speaker 1: the games are inevitable and I want to be the

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Speaker 1: story of the Games. I've done the protocol, I got

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Speaker 1: the result I got in Greenspa. But I think that

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Speaker 1: makes for a really cool story when I turn that

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Speaker 1: around in twelve months.

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Speaker 2: And then just finally on that. Why you mentioned the

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Speaker 2: Middle East a few times, it's interesting, like it's not

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Speaker 2: something we normally associate with the Middle East, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you'll be very careful not to disclose which part of

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, and it's a big place, but the

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Speaker 2: Middle East seems to be knocking on the door of

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Speaker 2: every sport and every sort of thing like boxing, tennis, soccer,

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Speaker 2: golf obviously just better. I've even heard there's been talks

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Speaker 2: about rugby union so and I didn't even know they

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Speaker 2: would have swimming facilities over there that someone like you

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Speaker 2: needs to have. You need fifty meter pool, you need

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Speaker 2: a proper pool, proper depth, the whole thing, like a

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Speaker 2: proper Olympic style coaches infrastructure. I didn't even know they

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Speaker 2: had that sort of stuff there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have amazing facilities. I think some of those

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Speaker 1: countries are pushing to host those big international events like

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Speaker 1: World Championships or Olympic Games or something similar, so they

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Speaker 1: have those facilities there and the same as those names

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Speaker 1: I mentioned in America, some of those some of those

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Speaker 1: guys in the Middle East with high net worth. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to age that they want to slow this process,

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Speaker 1: so they want to be involved in the enhanced movement

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Speaker 1: in that industry and supporting athletes is one of the

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Speaker 1: ways they can do that. Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to watching you, as an Australian bring

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Speaker 2: it home for us. Like I always back every Australian

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Speaker 2: every competition. I don't give a damn what the competition is.

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Speaker 2: Well I do, but Enhanced Games doesn't bother.

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Speaker 1: Me too much.

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Speaker 2: There would be some competitions that good and back, but

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Speaker 2: that one I'm very happy with, particularly in the swimming.

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Speaker 2: James Macism, thanks very much. Good luck making the enance

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Speaker 2: Games good.

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Speaker 1: You look great. Thank you