WEBVTT - Sharri | 27 February

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening Tonight, Scott Morrison accuses the Albanesi government of

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<v Speaker 2>appeasing China. He asks if the Prime Minister is making

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<v Speaker 2>excuses for Beijing or.

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<v Speaker 3>Just isn't across the detail.

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<v Speaker 2>That exclusive in a moment, plus the proof that Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>is behind the smear campaign on Peter Dutton. How an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary admission live on air exposed the labor dirt Unit

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<v Speaker 2>and Tony Burke goes into hiding to avoid answering questions

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<v Speaker 2>about the Australians attending the funeral of terror leader Hassan Nasrala.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Sharma says some of them shouldn't be allowed home.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all coming up but first tonight, Scott Morrison has

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<v Speaker 2>accused the Albanese government of acquiescing to China, warning the

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<v Speaker 2>live fire drill in the Tasman sy should serve as

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<v Speaker 2>a wake up call. The former Prime Minister, who saw

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<v Speaker 2>China's bullying tactics up close, has also questioned whether Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Alberizi was making excuses for China or just not across

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<v Speaker 2>the detail. This after Albanzi falsely claimed that Australia had

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<v Speaker 2>been notified before Beijing's weapons exercises in fact defense of

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<v Speaker 2>visuals have now confirmed. The warning came through ninety minutes

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<v Speaker 2>after the exercises began. Well, I spoke with Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 2>today and he told me how China had tried to

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<v Speaker 2>bully him bully as Prime minister. He said, whether the

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<v Speaker 2>government was making excuses for them or weren't across the detail,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not in a position to know, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think either is a very reassuring response. This is another

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<v Speaker 2>wake up call of the folly of thinking or hoping

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese government is anything different to what they are,

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<v Speaker 2>a direct security threat to our region where they seek

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<v Speaker 2>hegemony in Australia and complete dominance of the Indo Pacific theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Morrison also accused the Albaneze government of acquiescing to China.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that no amount of appeasement, acquiescence or engagement alters

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<v Speaker 2>that strategy, and they will seek to go where they want,

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<v Speaker 2>when they want, and do whatever they want. They try

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<v Speaker 2>to charm this government and have had some success, but

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<v Speaker 2>despite the more amicable tone, the Chinese government still turns

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<v Speaker 2>up and engages in this threatening behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>Regardless of how many times.

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<v Speaker 2>People have been to Beijing, and my full interview with

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison is on the sky Neese website.

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<v Speaker 3>You can read it there.

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<v Speaker 2>But Scott Morrison is someone who is clear right about

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<v Speaker 2>the threat that China poses and all of our enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the moral clarity when not seeing from the Albanese government.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister has basically covered up for Chinese aggression

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<v Speaker 2>against our own country, while Penny Wong is meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>the evil Iranian regime and the Palestinian leadership, but not Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>This government is prioritizing our enemies who don't share our values,

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<v Speaker 2>who want to destroy us, instead of our long standing

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<v Speaker 2>strategic allies. I mean, we may as well have the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens in charge of national security. Albanesi is so subservient

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<v Speaker 2>to the Chinese dictatorship that he actually sought to defend

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<v Speaker 2>them while Beijing was intimidating Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that it

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<v Speaker 5>would be conducting these activities, including the potential use of

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<v Speaker 5>live fire. It is the case that the notice was given.

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<v Speaker 5>When that occurs, airlines are notified and stay out of

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<v Speaker 5>the area.

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<v Speaker 2>False false false airlines were not notified, notice was not given.

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<v Speaker 3>The Chief of the Defense False.

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<v Speaker 2>David Johnston, has revealed that Australia only was notified from

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand about the live weapons drill at eleven am

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<v Speaker 2>last Friday.

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<v Speaker 6>We received at eleven zero one of the morning said

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<v Speaker 6>that is approximately fifty minutes or somewhat less than an

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<v Speaker 6>hour since that advice came to us from Air Services, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Defense chief also says it's possible a Chinese nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>powered submarine is underneath the Chinese warship flotilla. This is

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<v Speaker 2>extremely aggressive and threatening conduct from the communist regime. The

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<v Speaker 2>Abenezy government has had all of the excuses over this today,

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<v Speaker 2>but every single one inadequate. The cover up for a

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<v Speaker 2>hostile regime intimidating Australia is utterly extraordinary, and the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>has called for Albanesi to apologize for misleading the public.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the Prime Minister is either confused, he's mixed

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<v Speaker 7>up in his details, or he's mislad and whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 7>I think he needs to stand up and say, look,

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<v Speaker 7>I got it wrong. I misunderstood the briefing that I had.

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<v Speaker 2>This is another indication of Albanese's lack of integrity and

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<v Speaker 2>it will contribute to the trust deficit in his leadership.

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<v Speaker 3>But a far greater concern is how.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is now exposed on national security. There could have

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<v Speaker 2>been a major incident if one of the flights, God

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<v Speaker 2>Forbid were shot down by China in a live weapons exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>But this also sends a lackluster message to President She

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<v Speaker 2>about Australia's strength or lack there of it in protecting

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<v Speaker 2>our national interest and our sovereignty, and Albanesi's weakness has

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<v Speaker 2>only been superseded by that of his Foreign Minister, Penny Wog.

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<v Speaker 2>We learned in The Australian Today, thanks to revelations by

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<v Speaker 2>journalist Noah Yim, that Wang failed to meet any Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>representatives on her trip to the YUN General Assembly back

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<v Speaker 2>in September. But she did meet with the Uranian Foreign

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Abbas Aragachi. As you know, Iran once the West

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed and has been funding terror groups Hamas and Hezbelah,

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<v Speaker 2>but he didn't stop there. Pennywog also met with the

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<v Speaker 2>West Bank Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Muhammad was Staffa, and

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<v Speaker 2>on social media Pennywong said that they spoke about her

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<v Speaker 2>commitment to advancing the Palestinian people's legitimate aspiration to self determination.

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<v Speaker 2>Wong then met with the Lebanese Foreign Minister Habib, where

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<v Speaker 2>she gave two million dollars in our taxpayer money and

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<v Speaker 2>said we want to see a ceasefire in Lebanon as

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<v Speaker 2>well as in.

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<v Speaker 3>Gaza, a ceasefire and.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing Yim reports that she also attended a ministerial meeting

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<v Speaker 2>hosted by Unrah. As you know, UNRA has links to terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>and while Pennywong met with our enemies, she demanded Israel

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<v Speaker 2>stop its military action against the terror groups Hermas and Hezbelah,

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<v Speaker 2>and she pushed for a Palestinian state despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>her MUSS is still the governing body in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 8>So Australia no longer sees Palestinian recognition as the destination

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<v Speaker 8>of a peace process, but a contribution towards momentum. Momentum

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<v Speaker 8>towards peace. Australia wants to engage on new ways to

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<v Speaker 8>build momentum, including the role of the Security Council and

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<v Speaker 8>setting a pathway for two states with a clear timeline

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<v Speaker 8>for the international declaration of Palestinian statehood.

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<v Speaker 2>Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister David Coleman said Penny Wong had

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<v Speaker 2>shamefully abandoned our long standing democratic ally.

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<v Speaker 9>The Prime Minister was there, no doubt there were other

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<v Speaker 9>Israeli officials there. She could have met with them, she didn't,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think that's consistent with the Foreign Minister's approach

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<v Speaker 9>on this issue overall. She has shamefully abandoned Israel in

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<v Speaker 9>pursuit of a few votes in inner city contests against

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<v Speaker 9>the Greens.

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<v Speaker 1>It is utterly wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have both alban Easy and Penny Wong prioritizing

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's enemies hostile nations over our allies. How morally confused,

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<v Speaker 2>How treacherous for Penniwong to meet with the Palestinian authority

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<v Speaker 2>which has supported the October seven attacks, and Iran, which

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the Axis of evil. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>she's alienated our traditional strategic ally, Israel that shares our

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<v Speaker 2>values of freedom, democracy and peace. And Israel of course

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<v Speaker 2>also promotes equal rights for women for the LGBTQI community

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<v Speaker 2>and embraces religious diversity. And if our Prime Minister can't

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<v Speaker 2>find the muscle to call out Chinese warships, then he

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<v Speaker 2>has serious questions to answer about his own loyalties and

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<v Speaker 2>where they lie, because at the moment he's looking more

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<v Speaker 2>and more like an old lefty Chinese apologist. Now, a

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<v Speaker 2>senior Labor politician has explosively revealed that the Prime Minister's

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<v Speaker 2>office was behind the smear campaign on Peter Dutton. Well

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi sent out Andrew Charlton on the ABC last night

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<v Speaker 2>to he get stuck into Dutton to really make the

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<v Speaker 2>case about just how bad his purchase of shares were

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<v Speaker 2>during the Global Financial Crisis. Now, Charlton was chosen to

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<v Speaker 2>prosecute Labour's case because during the GFC he was Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Kevin Rudd's top economics advisor. He was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the architects of Australia's economics response to that crisis and

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<v Speaker 2>our stimulus package. And Charlton was doing a pretty convincing

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<v Speaker 2>job last night on behalf of Labor, claiming Dutton had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to answer.

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<v Speaker 10>My jaw fell to the floor. Why Because I was there.

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<v Speaker 11>I was there at that time, and I saw the

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<v Speaker 11>Australian economy on fire. I saw the Australian share market

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<v Speaker 11>fall by more than sixty percent, destroying wealth for millions

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<v Speaker 11>of Australians and most importantly, I saw every Australian political leader,

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<v Speaker 11>the government, the opposite, public servants working every single day

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<v Speaker 11>tirelessly to save Australia and save Australians. But what we

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<v Speaker 11>now know is that there was one political leader who

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<v Speaker 11>was not focused on the national interest. That political leader

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<v Speaker 11>was focused on his own financial interest.

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<v Speaker 2>And he continued to mount the case against Dutton's purchase

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<v Speaker 2>of Bangsches in two thousand and nine. But then six

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<v Speaker 2>minutes into the interview, Sarah Ferguson asked Andrew Charlton how

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<v Speaker 2>long he'd known about Dutton's share buy app four. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when you watch this clip, remember that Alban Eazy pretended

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<v Speaker 2>he knew nothing about this when he was asked yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>And Charlton, who is a regular on this program, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he has too much integrity to lie, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say like.

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<v Speaker 3>The others would have. Voh, I just read about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned about it in the media, he said, Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>this came from the Prime Minister's Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 12>You said earlier on that your jaw dropped when you

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<v Speaker 12>learned this piece of information. When did you learn it?

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<v Speaker 11>I learned it when I saw the information that had

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<v Speaker 11>come out that had come out in relation to his

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<v Speaker 11>register of interest You mean this week?

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<v Speaker 10>No, before this week.

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<v Speaker 11>I was made aware of it by whom by the

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<v Speaker 11>Prime Minister's office, who had been looking at it.

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<v Speaker 12>So how long had the Prime Minister's office been looking

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<v Speaker 12>at it?

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know the answer to that question. But what

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<v Speaker 11>I do know is that Peter Dutton has built his

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<v Speaker 11>Prime minister his Opposition leadership of accusations and criticism, and

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<v Speaker 11>now for the first time he is getting those questions

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<v Speaker 11>coming at him and he's unable to answer them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Ferguson is the ABC's best political interviewer by a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>She can be brutal and terrifying and she didn't let

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<v Speaker 2>this go.

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<v Speaker 12>What you're saying is the government had access to this information,

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<v Speaker 12>was in possession of that, Anthony ALBERANIZI was in possession

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<v Speaker 12>of this information before it was before it appeared in

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<v Speaker 12>the media.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean it is the government's job at a time

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<v Speaker 11>when we're all looking at register of members' interests to

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<v Speaker 11>look at this information.

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<v Speaker 12>Does that suggest that this is, as the Opposition says,

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<v Speaker 12>an attempt to slur Peter Dutton, Because clearly, when the

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<v Speaker 12>government had the information. They didn't release it straight away.

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<v Speaker 12>If it was of such enormous ethical importance, as you suggest,

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<v Speaker 12>why not release it that day? Why save it up?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure it was saved up at all. I

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<v Speaker 10>think it was released promptly.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, how promptly? When did you become aware of it.

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<v Speaker 10>Reasonably shortly before it was made available?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 12>I'm sorry, I'm sorry, mister Chelton, but what's reasonably?

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<v Speaker 10>So very happy to answer this question, it been a

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<v Speaker 10>matter of days or weeks.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, days or weeks, so as long ago as seven days.

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<v Speaker 10>Ago, could have been more than seven days ago, yet

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<v Speaker 10>more than.

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<v Speaker 12>Seven days ago. So the government has been sitting on

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<v Speaker 12>this piece of information for at least a week, but

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<v Speaker 12>could be more.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not sure the government was sitting on it. I'm

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<v Speaker 11>not sure how their information flowed, but certainly this was

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<v Speaker 11>something that we were all looking out in relation to

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<v Speaker 11>the members interests.

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<v Speaker 3>This is extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>You never see anything like this a government politician, a

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<v Speaker 2>senior one, saying publicly on national television that the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister has had his offers digging up dirt on the

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leader and was sitting on it and waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>the opportune time.

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<v Speaker 3>Politically to release it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this sort of revelation has simply never happened before.

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<v Speaker 2>It is massive, and Sarah Ferguson knew that, and she

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<v Speaker 2>kept going.

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<v Speaker 12>But doesn't the government also have questions to answer about

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<v Speaker 12>the way it handles information, the way it handles itself.

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<v Speaker 12>How long have they been sitting on this information about

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<v Speaker 12>Peter Dutton, choosing a moment to release it that, presumably,

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<v Speaker 12>in their view, is the most destructive it can be

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<v Speaker 12>for the leader of the opposition.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure that's the case at all, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm honestly not sure that this is a case of

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<v Speaker 11>the government sitting on information at all. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 11>it's a matter of seven days, of course this information

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<v Speaker 11>deserves scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 12>The only thing I would say is that, on the

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<v Speaker 12>face of it, it's a relatively simple It's a relatively

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<v Speaker 12>simple set of questions. There's a series of updates to

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<v Speaker 12>his share registry. There's not a great deal of checking

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<v Speaker 12>that needs to go on, So why hang on to it.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not sure it was hung on too for a

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<v Speaker 10>long time. Sarah. I'm not sure that's the case at all.

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<v Speaker 12>We'll put that question to the Prime Minister. I wonder

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<v Speaker 12>does this series of questions posed to Peter Dutton in

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<v Speaker 12>this way with a delay suggests that there's a dirty

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<v Speaker 12>campaign coming.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not sure there was a delay of consequence, Sarah,

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<v Speaker 11>as you suggested in relation to timing. I think it's

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<v Speaker 11>this information that needs to be carefully checked.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Sarah Ferguson had spent the first six minutes of

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<v Speaker 2>the interview drilling into the claims against Dutton, and the

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<v Speaker 2>next half and obtaining an admission about Labour's dirt unit

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<v Speaker 2>and proof that Labour sat on this until it could

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<v Speaker 2>damage Dutton the most. Now, this revelation was devastating for

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<v Speaker 2>alb and Easy and you can only imagine how angry

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister would have been at the honesty, the

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<v Speaker 2>honesty of one of his own politicians, because just a

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<v Speaker 2>day earlier Albanesi had tried to distance himself from this

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<v Speaker 2>grubby political attack.

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<v Speaker 13>Prime Minister, what's wrong with Dutton making money out of property?

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<v Speaker 9>Haven't you as well?

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<v Speaker 5>I make no comment about Peter Dutton's matters that to

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<v Speaker 5>matter for him.

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<v Speaker 14>The Prime Minister today done quite an extensive property investment,

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<v Speaker 14>for as his use of the use of the trust fund.

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<v Speaker 10>Past the pop test.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a matter for.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton, yep, matter for him, nothing to do with me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I told you last night that alber Ezi was behind

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<v Speaker 2>these attacks, that Labour's research unit is the most sophisticated

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<v Speaker 2>in the Canberra Press gallery. It's been behind many attacks

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<v Speaker 2>on liberals. But these stories on Dutton only emerged after

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<v Speaker 2>Albanzi was asked this question on Friday.

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<v Speaker 15>You got a lot of flack, possibly unfair so on

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<v Speaker 15>buying a lovely new home in Copa Gamana.

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<v Speaker 10>I've never heard you explain before.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you negatively gearing it?

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<v Speaker 5>Seriously, I'll swap my property portfolio with Peter's.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we still don't know the full story about whether

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi has negatively geared his rental properties. Now, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal to any of us, but Labor despises

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<v Speaker 2>negative gearing. They've been wanting to kill it off for years.

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<v Speaker 2>So for Albanzi, his base would hate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister is a political animal. He wouldn't think

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<v Speaker 2>twice of having a taxpayer funded dirt unit dig up

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<v Speaker 2>rumors about Peter Dutton's life. It's why it's so laughable

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<v Speaker 2>that Albanezi promised integrity in public office. He promised to

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<v Speaker 2>do politics differently and that was never going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>because remember he's the guy whose ambition wasn't to lead

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<v Speaker 2>Australia but to beat the Tories.

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<v Speaker 5>I like fighting Tories.

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I do. That's what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson today said Albanese should

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<v Speaker 2>give a full explanation for how he's been misusing taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>funds to investigate Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 4>The Prime Minister should explain today when he first instructed

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<v Speaker 4>his staff to engage in this dirt digging exercise, whether

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<v Speaker 4>he thinks's appropriate that they've been spending their time on

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<v Speaker 4>these activities, how much taxpayers money has been spent digging

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<v Speaker 4>dirt on the opposition later, and whether or not he'll

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<v Speaker 4>promise to engage in a clean campaign from here on

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<v Speaker 4>out and actually talk about his own record over the

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<v Speaker 4>last three years and his own plans for the future

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<v Speaker 4>of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>So Patterson there says that Albanize should talk about his

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<v Speaker 2>plans for the future of Australia. But Albaneze, he can't

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<v Speaker 2>articulate this vision for the nation because he doesn't have one.

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<v Speaker 2>He never had one. He never expected to become the

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<v Speaker 2>leader of our country, and now that he is, he flounders.

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<v Speaker 2>At every point when Australia has cried out for leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been absent. He lacks the resolve, the conviction, the values,

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<v Speaker 2>or the moral fortitude to govern as.

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<v Speaker 3>Our nation demands.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing Albaneze can rely on to try and

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<v Speaker 2>win the next election is a tax on Peter Dutton,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to turn him into a villain like he did

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<v Speaker 2>with Scott Morrison. This is the low cynical politics we

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<v Speaker 2>can expect as the election looms. But at least it's

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<v Speaker 2>out in the open now thanks to the honesty and integrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Of Andrew Charlton.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in now National Senator Matt Canavan

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<v Speaker 2>and former Labor Minister Graham Richardson. Well, Matt, this was

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<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary admission from a Labor MP.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>Look, who would have thought there's an must be down

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<v Speaker 16>there in Canberra. I don't think there's too many of them.

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<v Speaker 16>I I try and do that, but look it's blowing

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<v Speaker 16>out exposed the whole Labor Party campaign here this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Look this sort of stuff goes on.

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<v Speaker 16>Of course, none of us are are immune to that,

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<v Speaker 16>or not even enough not to think it happens. I

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<v Speaker 16>think what it really is the major issue here is,

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<v Speaker 16>time and time again, the Prime Minister just look shifty.

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<v Speaker 16>He can't find a way it's okay not maybe reveal

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<v Speaker 16>all the details, but not.

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<v Speaker 1>Not look like he's just got something to hide.

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<v Speaker 16>We see that on the Chinese live fire drills this

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<v Speaker 16>week where he's been all over the place. We've seen

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<v Speaker 16>it on the caravan dural that nearly and faithfully didn't

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<v Speaker 16>cause massive devastation.

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<v Speaker 1>And here too.

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<v Speaker 16>You know, as I say, you know, sure politicians dig

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<v Speaker 16>and throw mud from time to time, they do that,

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<v Speaker 16>and then the Prime Minister trying to say no, it's

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<v Speaker 16>not me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm distant from that.

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<v Speaker 16>You know, it just undermines his own credibility more than

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<v Speaker 16>perhaps just being a little bit more honest, maybe not

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<v Speaker 16>was fulsome a little more honest like Andrew Charlton was.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard, you're obviously good mates with a prime minister. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have been absolutely furious, would he have what

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<v Speaker 2>would he have done or do you know did he

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<v Speaker 2>blow up at Andrew Charlton.

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<v Speaker 17>I don't think he'd have been too happy, but I

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<v Speaker 17>don't think he'd blow up. It's it's not that big

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<v Speaker 17>a deal. I've been listening to all of this and

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<v Speaker 17>we really are pumping this up into something that just

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<v Speaker 17>isn't This is a very small incident and it'll be

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<v Speaker 17>forgotten next week.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about that. It's not going to be forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>This revelation that Labor has a dirt unit that's digging

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<v Speaker 2>up dirt on dutt and every time there's an attack. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what Peter Dunnan is going to come, come up,

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<v Speaker 2>come back with everybody. You were using taxpayer funds to

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<v Speaker 2>dig up dirt on me during theody.

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<v Speaker 17>He knew that unit existed. It was not a secret,

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<v Speaker 17>never has been. So there's idea old shock horror they've

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<v Speaker 17>got this unit. When I learn a rubbish they all knew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well we know because where you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a journalist, I know how good the unit is,

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<v Speaker 2>best in the business, but not everyone knows about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now have a look at this.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Albanezi, Now we wouldn't normally talk about dramas

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<v Speaker 2>that go on in the FM radio world, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister today weighed in on this Maddie sheer Gold drama.

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<v Speaker 3>The former Triple M host.

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<v Speaker 2>He made inappropriate comments about women's soccer and the Matildas.

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<v Speaker 2>But why I want to talk about it is because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't notice how fired up Albanezy was on this

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<v Speaker 2>and he went a lot harder on this issue than

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<v Speaker 2>he has on the Australians that flew to Lebanon to

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<v Speaker 2>mourn a dead terrorist leader.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a look completely unacceptable. The Tillies are just legends.

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<v Speaker 5>Women's and girls sport has been a revolution in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 5>He also made some comments as well about endo, yeah

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<v Speaker 5>being real. You know, we need to respect each other

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<v Speaker 5>and disrespecting more than half the population is not on

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<v Speaker 5>a share does his job and scrutinizes intelligence issues on

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<v Speaker 5>behalf of Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Canavan, I mean, is the Prime Minister actually capable

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<v Speaker 2>of speaking about national security matters in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>indicates he cares about it?

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<v Speaker 16>Look, he does seem to be pretty fine up about

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<v Speaker 16>this incident. I mean, I saw the Prime Minister just

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<v Speaker 16>a couple of weeks ago, I think, on the front

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<v Speaker 16>page of a major newspaper saying he wasn't work he's

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<v Speaker 16>not a white guy. But then he's doubling down this

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<v Speaker 16>sort of cancel culture. And look, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 16>didn't see everything that was he a comedian or DJ said,

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<v Speaker 16>and it might have been a bit rebaled, but I'm

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<v Speaker 16>not into this cancel culture.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, who really cares? Why isn't the.

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<v Speaker 16>Primeister focusing on things that are much more important to

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<v Speaker 16>people instead of trying to police the speech of shop

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<v Speaker 16>job radio star on FM radio. I mean, look, look

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<v Speaker 16>what are the FM radio states said? He goes on

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<v Speaker 16>these shows. He goes on shows with one of the

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 16>most crude things it said, But look, who cares? Focus

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<v Speaker 16>on your job? And he just doesn't seem to have

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<v Speaker 16>that focus right now. And that's a bit concerning for

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<v Speaker 16>all the strains because we do face very serious issues

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<v Speaker 16>at the kitchen table for everybody with.

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<v Speaker 1>Their cost of living and of course with the.

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<v Speaker 16>Geopolitical threats, to the threats of Chinese ships running down

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<v Speaker 16>our coast and firing off, and the Prime Minister seems

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<v Speaker 16>to know more about what an FM shop jock is

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<v Speaker 16>saying than what the Chinese navy are doing off our shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Such an excellent point, but also the point you just

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<v Speaker 2>made their Matt that he's very comfortable going on. You

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about Kyle and Jackio. That's what you're implying,

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<v Speaker 2>very comfortable going on Kyle and Jackio's show. Kyle regularly

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<v Speaker 2>says far worse things. I don't mind it, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>offend me. But he says far worse things, more offensive things,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet he went to Kyle's wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>Albo.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they're good mates. Kyle will probably go to

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<v Speaker 2>his wedding. I mean, it's the hypocrisy of it, Richro.

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<v Speaker 2>But back to the weakness of Albineze's response that he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't strongly call out the fact that Australians are flying

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<v Speaker 2>to Lebanon to go to Hassan Nasrala's funeral. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been our revelation over the past two nights.

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<v Speaker 11>Well.

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<v Speaker 17>The fact that there are some Australians who would do

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<v Speaker 17>that is hardly a shock. I mean, we've known about

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<v Speaker 17>the people here supporting Hamas, supporting Azbalah. We have demonstrations

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<v Speaker 17>where they do it. It's not a shock. I mean,

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<v Speaker 17>it's something we all know about now. I think that

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<v Speaker 17>it's a pretty grubby exercise to support grubs like that.

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<v Speaker 17>I just I don't understand it and I never will.

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<v Speaker 17>But there's no question about where Elbow's heart and soul lies,

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<v Speaker 17>and Elbow's heart and soul lies in looking after Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well we have to differ on that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But very quick prediction from you, guys. We're out of time, Richro,

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<v Speaker 2>you think the election is going to be called this weekend?

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<v Speaker 17>I think this weekend or the weekend after, but probably

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<v Speaker 17>just favor this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>And what about you, Matt?

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, our voice Sotay's going to hold on. I think

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 16>he's very indecisive at the moment, so we'll wait and see.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone does seem to think this weekend, so I might

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, all right, rich O Matt Canavan, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you both so much.

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<v Speaker 17>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's return to Labour's don't unit, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined now by The Australian's chief political correspondent Jeff Chambers.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff, great to see you. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Normally the government would wait to release dirt like they

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<v Speaker 2>have on Dutton's Shares until the start of the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>They've done it ahead of the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Does this give you any indication about when the election

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<v Speaker 2>will be called?

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<v Speaker 16>Oh?

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<v Speaker 15>Hi, Sharry, I think there's been a lot of indications,

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<v Speaker 15>but what we're seeing with this dirt unit material and

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.720
<v Speaker 15>the early release of it is they're trying to obviously

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:00.880
<v Speaker 15>frame up Peter Dutton because they're pretty desperate. They're really

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 15>struggling to cut through on whether it be childcare, eight

0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 15>point five billion dollars for medicare, tens of billions of

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 15>dollars for infrastructure projects and all since a pseudo election

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 15>campaign was launched by the Prime Minister in January, and

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 15>we're now seeing them trying to sort of in that

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 15>position frame up Peter Dutton because they're under maximum pressure.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 15>So they're now shifting to playing the man.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 15>I heard you talking to the other guys there about

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<v Speaker 15>election timing. My mail has been pretty consistent on this

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<v Speaker 15>and the consensus is landing pretty firmly on April twelve,

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<v Speaker 15>So that would mean not this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>That means that immediately.

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<v Speaker 15>After the March eighth Western Australia state election, you could

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 15>expect the Prime Minister to head to Yarralumla. But another

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 15>interesting fact is on Sunday, March to the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 15>and his Treasurer Jim Chalmers share of birthday so sixty

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 15>two and forty seven, and I heard the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 15>on commercial radio this morning, getting asked will he call

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<v Speaker 15>it on the weekend, and he said it's my birthday on.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday, meaning no, not going to call it on his birthday.

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<v Speaker 12>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it does make sense, as you say, and

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I've heard it as well, that he'll wait until the

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Wa state election and then call it afterwards, maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday the ninth. By the way, for what it's worth,

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<v Speaker 2>my birthdays March the eighth, So a lot of birthdays

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 2>at least in politics at this time of year. But

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<v Speaker 2>we do keep hearing rumors that it could be this weekend.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I suppose we're in that election speculation fever at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment now, Jeff, you also wrote this week about Trump's

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 2>tariffs on Australia and how you know we're nearing the

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.959
<v Speaker 2>deadline when Australia has to get the reprieve. The treasure

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>is over there in Washington at the moment trying to

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<v Speaker 2>negotiate that exemption. The Coalition government both under Malcolm Turnberlin

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison, were able to achieve exemptions from previous rounds

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>of tariffs. So there's a pattern to this. But this

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>ultimately now comes down into the relationship that the Albanezy

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>government has with key figures in the Trump administration, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, And I think the other point is this second

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 15>administration is much more hard line in terms of their positions.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:31.719
<v Speaker 15>And Howard Lutnik, who's the newly minted US Commerce Secretary,

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<v Speaker 15>he's very very strong on tariffs and his position is

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 15>he doesn't want to give anyone exemptions. So there have

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:43.479
<v Speaker 15>been multiple conversations, including with the Prime Minister and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 15>But we have got that March twelve deadline looming large

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<v Speaker 15>and if we were to see an election called around

0:29:51.200 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 15>March nine, we're heading into that space. And the other

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 15>real concern and we've seen it with Copper this week,

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 15>is that the government here in Australia, they've got steel

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 15>and ALU medium to worry about, but there's real deep

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 15>concerns that the Trump administration are actually broaden it across

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.720
<v Speaker 15>the board to other products. So yeah, I think it's

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 15>a bit more difficult than the deals are. Turnbull and

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 15>Morrison struck, but you're right they did have much deeper

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 15>personal relationships with the President.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jeff Chambers, thank you so much, and we

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>will continue to read your insight for reporting.

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Appreciate your time. And by the way, just on the

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 3>election date.

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<v Speaker 2>It also could be the fifth of April, because the

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>April twelve is the start of Passover and there is

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a concern that that might not be the best date

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to have the election. Now still to come the heartbreaking

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 2>moments from Yard and Bibas's eulogy, and Israeli Major General

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>will be.

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 3>On set to discuss.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>But first, why is Tony Burkin hiding over the Australians

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>attending a terror leader's funeral? Dave Sharma will get stuck

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 2>in after this break.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's return to Pennywog snubbing Israel will still making

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<v Speaker 2>the time to meet with Iran and the Palestinian authority.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I spoke about it with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>Dave Sharma, great to see you again.

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Look what was your reaction when you were able to confirm,

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>under your excellent interrogation that Pennywog hadn't met with any

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Israeli officials at all, but yet had met with the

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Iranian Foreign Minister, the Palestinian West Bank Prime Minister and others.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, I was staggered and bear in mind sharing. This

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 18>is a foreign minister who talks about Israel more than

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 18>she does almost any other topic. She's almost obsessed with

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 18>the Middle East and Israel's behavior. So you would think

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 18>when she's going to the UN, when she's changing our

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 18>votes on a number of UN resolutions, when she's giving

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 18>a speech at the UN which is almost entirely focused

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 18>on the Israeli Aram conflict, she would bother to seek

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 18>out an Israeli counterparton have a discussion with him. But

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<v Speaker 18>instead she meets the Iranian foreign minister, she meets the

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 18>Jordanian foreign minister, she meets the Lebanese foreign minister. She

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 18>goes to dinners about the two state solution and advancing

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 18>the peace process, where there is not even a single

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 18>Israeli representative present. I just find it staggering. It shows

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<v Speaker 18>you that a lot of this government's activism, if you like,

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<v Speaker 18>in this space is not actually about achieving results on

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<v Speaker 18>the ground. It's about messaging to a domestic audience here

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<v Speaker 18>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's got to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 2>bordering on treachery or disloyalty. I mean, it seems to

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>be treating Australia's enemies who don't share our values of

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>freedom and democracy. Treating those enemies better, then she's treating

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>us strategic and long term meant to be bipartisan allies.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right.

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<v Speaker 18>I mean, Israel is a longstanding friend and partner of

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<v Speaker 18>Australia and I would say it's still one of the

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 18>most important relationships we have on any metric in the

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<v Speaker 18>Middle East for looking out for Australian interests.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 8>So even on the.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 18>Coldhearted national interest calculations, this is an important relationship. But

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 18>what we have seen this government, this Labor government do

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<v Speaker 18>time and tom again, Minister Pennywong do time and tom again,

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 18>is go out of their way to insult Israel, to

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 18>trash the relationship, whether it's calling in the Israeli ambassador

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 18>for addressing down by a junior minister, whether it's appointing

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 18>a former chief of the Defense Force to conduct an

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 18>investigation then whitewashing the results of that investigation. All we've

0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 18>seen with this government is I think egregious and intentional

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 18>attempts to damage our relationship with Israel in a way

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 18>that's fundamentally at odds with our national interests.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get you a comment about this scandal

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<v Speaker 2>over the Chinese warships and the life fire drill exercises.

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<v Speaker 2>We've heard different versions of events from Alban Easy, from

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Richard Miles, and from others. Do you think the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister has misled the public? Do you think he needs

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>to apologize? And again, do you think is not defending

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 2>our sovereignty and our national interest enough?

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<v Speaker 18>I think the Prime Minister has misled the public. Whether

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 18>it was intentionally or out of ignorance, I'm not sure.

0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 18>But I think more importantly, perhaps his government has also

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 18>let down the public. I mean it has taken US

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 18>Coalition senators in Senate estimates, asking questions of defense officials,

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 18>foreign affairs officials and others to piece together exactly what

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 18>happened and some of the grievous missteps that have taken

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 18>place along the way. So we've got Anthony Albernezi saying

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 18>that advanced notification was given of this exercise. No, that

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 18>was not the case. We did not find out until

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:47.760
<v Speaker 18>the exercise was already underway. We've had Richard Marles saying

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 18>the Australian Defense Force was tracking this Chinese PLA Navy

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.919
<v Speaker 18>Task Force, the whole time. No, it wasn't. We didn't

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 18>have eyes and ears on it. We had to rely

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 18>on a passing virgin aircraft to find out that this

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 18>life activity commenced. And then we've had Anthony Alberzi refused

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 18>to say and refuse to confirm that he's even convened

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 18>a National Security Committee meeting of Cabinet to discuss the

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 18>implications for Australia. I mean, the important point to note

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 18>here is no, you know, it's a live fire exercise.

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 18>Now there's certainly a threat to commercial and civil aviation,

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 18>but China is testing our response and our resolve here

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 18>and how we handle incidents like this, and they're trying

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.840
<v Speaker 18>to set a precedent as well. And the way we

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 18>have handled this we've failed the test that they've said us.

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 18>We have basically said, you know, we're not going to

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 18>keep a very close on you, We're not going to

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 18>object very strongly when you do this. We're going to

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 18>make apologies for you, which seems to be what Anthony

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.920
<v Speaker 18>Alberesi and Richard Marlele seem to be going around and

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 18>doing all this week, trying to carry the China's brief

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 18>and explain their actions they should be standing up for

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 18>Australia and they should be pushing back against what is,

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 18>on any measure, a provocative and intimid or intimidatory set

0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 18>of exercises by the PLA Navy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to ask you about Tony Burke. He

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>has given inadequate responses. In fact, he's been accused of

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 2>going into hiding by James Patterson over I've revealed over

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 2>two nights that Australians have flown to Lebanon to attend

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 2>the funeral of Hassan Nasralla, the former HESBELA leader, longtime,

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>longtime HESBELA leader. Yet Tony Burke hasn't strongly condemned this,

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 2>hasn't condemned this at all. He hasn't said whether he's

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 2>going to investigate, whether these are Australian citizens, whether they

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>hold visas, whether he'll allow them.

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 3>Back into the country.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many questions here, Dave. What are your

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on what actions should be taken given we've named

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and shamed, we've exposed Australians flying to Lebanon to attend

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the funeral of a terrorist leader.

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<v Speaker 18>Well, I think certainly, given the level of social unrest

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 18>and the unprecedented levels of anti semitism we have seen

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 18>in Australia. We need to be keeping a very close

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 18>eye on anyone who harbors or has sympathies for, or

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 18>affections towards a listed terrorist organization like Kesbala and that

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 18>goes over to mourn the death of a terrorist leader

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.720
<v Speaker 18>Hassan Australia. I mean that should be an immense concern

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 18>to anyone involved in our national security. And certainly if

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 18>people who have gone from Australia are visa holders or residents,

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 18>if they do not have citizenship, then we should be

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 18>invoking the character test and others to make sure that

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 18>they do no longer have visas to enter into Australia.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 18>I mean, we have enough problems in Australia with social

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 18>cohesion as it is at the moment without seeking to

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 18>further radicalize a population that's here and engage in new

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 18>and indeed even higher levels of anti Semitism.

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 3>All right, Dave Sharma, thank you so much for your time.

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate it.

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 10>Thanks so much, Sherry, And coming.

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Up after the break, we'll take a look at the

0:37:55.440 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>heartbreaking eulogy of Yard and Bibas plus Donald Trump z

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk at his first cabinet meeting.

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Well should he have been there?

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll speak to Adam Crichton about this all coming up

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 2>on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome Back.

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<v Speaker 19>Well.

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Just after we went to air last night, Israel was

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 2>at a standstill as yard In Bibas said farewell to

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>his wife Shiri and their two beautiful boys, Ariel and Kifir.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 2>The eulogy was unbearably heartbreaking and sad.

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Here was his message to his wife Shari, Shari.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 14>I love you and will always love you. Shari, you

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 14>are everything to me. You are the best wife and

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 14>mother there could be.

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>It was in Hebrews, so of course that's a translation.

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 2>He also talked about his first child, Ariel, who was

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>just four when.

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 3>He was kidnapped.

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 14>Ariel, you made me a father, You transformed us into

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 14>a family. You taught me what truly matters in life

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 14>and about responsibility.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>And then he finally paid respects to his baby Kafir,

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 2>stolen at just nine months old.

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.800
<v Speaker 14>Fear, I didn't think our family could be more perfect,

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 14>and then you came and made it even more perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Retired Israeli Major General Noah Tibon joins me now here

0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the show that was so hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It was unbearably sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yarden's story, the Bibas story has really captured the hearts

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of all of Israel and everyone came out or stopped

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 2>what they were doing to watch their eulogy.

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<v Speaker 19>It's a terrible story all over the world because you know,

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 19>those a regular family in their house and October seven,

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 19>their key boots was attacked, they were kidnapped, Sheer and

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<v Speaker 19>the kids were killed by the animals of Ramas and

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 19>you are then really suffered many months and I think

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 19>the Israeli people were united behind this, but I want

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 19>to remind when we're talking right now, that the Israeli

0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 19>government abandoned them. They can be in a deal Cheri

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 19>and the kids when they were still alive in October,

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 19>on the second week of the war, after October seven,

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<v Speaker 19>there were a Katarian initiative to replace women and children

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 19>with a female terrorist in the Israeli prisoner and the

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 19>Israeli government Prime Minister Nathaniel refused to discuss it. And

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<v Speaker 19>that's why on that day I am very angry on

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<v Speaker 19>Ramas and this is something we will never ever forgive

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 19>about Ramas. Cannot control Gaza, those animals. But yes, also

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 19>the Israeli government this abandoned. This is Nazi is ready DNA.

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 19>We are not living anyone behind us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there are still hostages remaining in Gaza.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Just today we had.

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<v Speaker 2>Four bodies Israeli bodies. Former hostages have been returned. One

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.879
<v Speaker 2>of them it's Saki. You're done. His daughter, eighteen years old,

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 2>was murdered in their home. They were all held at gunpoint,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:27.959
<v Speaker 2>then he was kidnapped. The family have released some footage today.

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<v Speaker 3>We just have a quick look at that.

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<v Speaker 13>If we have that, a terrified family held at gunpoint

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 13>by her mass it's shocking and upsetting to watch, but

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:54.440
<v Speaker 13>they wanted us to show their ordeal.

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And just offscreen from where that family where, the family

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 2>of t Saki done, his eighteen year old daughter already dead.

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Now this is close to the Kiboots where your family lived.

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 19>It's the same keyboats, Keyboots Nahalos and basically a new

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 19>Tahi because he is my son, neighbor. And when I

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 19>rushed on October seventh to rescue my family, unfortunately we

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.719
<v Speaker 19>came because of the battles a little bit too late

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 19>for Tahi but he left Israel alive walking, and that's

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 19>why it's so said, and we are so angry because

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:41.080
<v Speaker 19>again he should be back home alive. He was killed

0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 19>by Ramas, but again he was abandoned by the Israeli

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:49.240
<v Speaker 19>government and it took too long to bring them back home.

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<v Speaker 19>And basically, right now, the most important issue in Israel

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 19>is to continue to face be of this hostage deal.

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<v Speaker 3>The second part of thee.

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, this is very important, and we are looking at

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 19>Whitkov and to Nataniel and said, don't stop now. First

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 19>of all, bring all the hostages back home. This is

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 19>the most important goal of the war. And then we

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 19>will go to the second goal, which is to replace Hamas,

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:21.760
<v Speaker 19>because Hamas cannot control gods anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>There are different views about whether that second deal should

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. There are different views in Israel at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people, of course are saying prioritize the hostages,

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>get those remaining hostages who are alive home. But others

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 2>are so angry at Hermas, and perhaps even Trump supports

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 2>this view, perhaps that Natan yahoo that Israel should go

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 2>back in and defeat Harmas immediately.

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 3>This debate is playing.

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 19>Out right now. This is the debate in Israel. So

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 19>one thing for sure, if we will go back to

0:43:56.120 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 19>war right now, the hostages that we are still heaving

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 19>the Rama's hands, which are alive, young people will not

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 19>survive because they are in such a terrible condition. And

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 19>that's why I think there is priorities in this situation,

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.760
<v Speaker 19>and in war you don't have good priorities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already been such a heavy price to pay it.

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 2>And you know I've said before you as a family member,

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 2>you pay absolutely any price. But thousands of Palestinian terrorists

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>have been released from Israeli prisons in order to get

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 2>innocent hostages.

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 3>Home, even dead bodies home.

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, those terrorists could go on to cause untold carnage.

0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.319
<v Speaker 19>You know, when I was in uniform years ago, I

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 19>caught some of them. I know what kind of killer

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 19>they are. But let's go back to Judaism, and let's

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 19>go back to our dinners, Israelis. We need to bring

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 19>our brother and sister home alive. This is an open wound.

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.960
<v Speaker 19>The majority in all the polls, the majority of the

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:06.760
<v Speaker 19>Israeli population said yes, we are willing to do everything,

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 19>includes stop the war in order to bring them home.

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.760
<v Speaker 19>So I think right now we are at the junction.

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.919
<v Speaker 19>What is more important? So in my eyes it's clear cut.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 19>First bring the.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Hostages and then defeating her mask.

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 19>And then defeat Hamas and bring somebody else to control

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 19>gather because Hamas cannot stay in control.

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<v Speaker 2>On that, I'm sure everybody can agree, Major General, and

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 2>honored to have you on the program. Thank you for

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>your time. Now, don't go anywhere after the break. Should

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk have been the star of Donald Trump's first

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 2>cabinet Adam Crichton will join me next. Well, Donald Trump

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 2>has had his first cabinet meeting and the star of

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>the show seemed to be Elon Musk.

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Now, Trump praised.

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Him, but Musk sorted downplay his own role in the administration.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 6>He's got businesses their own and in many ways this

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 6>you know, Shakri facing a.

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<v Speaker 16>Thank you MS President, I will I actually just put

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 16>myself for a couple tech support here and.

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's bring in now Adam Crichton, fresh from the US

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and now with the Institute of Public Affairs in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see you, Adam.

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Look what's your analysis as how this cabinet meeting played out?

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<v Speaker 2>And should Elon Musk have been given so much attention,

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<v Speaker 2>given there were so many other important people in that room.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, well, certainly it's presentationally unusual. That's certainly the case.

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 20>I can't imagine one hundred and ten years ago that

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 20>John Rockefeller would have been in the same cabinet meeting

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 20>with Theodore Roosevelt. But these are certainly interesting times. They're

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 20>challenging times. And Donald Trump the president, he certainly trusts

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 20>Elon Musk, and this is a country that's facing fiscal

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 20>deficits of one to two trillion dollars every year, and

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.280
<v Speaker 20>rightly or wrongly, the US president thinks the US bureaucracy

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 20>itself and even his own ministers are not capable of

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 20>making sizeable cuts. So far, at least, it seems a

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 20>Musk has been very successful at identifying huge waste. It's

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 20>in the tens of billions, but he has to identify

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 20>in the hundreds of billions. So we have to see

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 20>how this is going to play out.

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 2>There's also obviously been a lot of discussion about the

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.080
<v Speaker 2>way that Trump has been trying to get a deal

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 2>between Ukraine and Russia to end the war. He's been

0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 2>making all sorts of pretty awful accusations against President Zelenski.

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:28.359
<v Speaker 3>But now we're hearing that.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 2>President Zelenski is set to fly over to sign a

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 2>deal on minerals.

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Here was Trump's reaction.

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<v Speaker 10>The President's Olyndsey's coming to sign the deal. And it's

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 10>a great thing. It's a great deal for Ukraine.

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 6>Too, because they get us over there and we're going

0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 6>to be working over there.

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.239
<v Speaker 20>We'll be on the land, and you know, in that way,

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 20>it's there's sort of automatic security because nobody's going to

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 20>be messing around with other people.

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>So, Adam, this is to do with the amount of

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>US money that's gone to Ukraine.

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 20>Yes, that's right. So Trump wants some of this money

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 20>back through various contractual deals over minerals. Some people say

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 20>they don't actually have many minerals. Donald Trump's confused about this.

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 20>But look, I think it's good that Trump is talking

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.400
<v Speaker 20>to everyone and is trying to bring peace here. Certainly,

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 20>as you suggest, he said very mean things about the

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.279
<v Speaker 20>president of Ukraine, and I don't agree with those, but look,

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 20>if he brings about an end to this horrific war

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 20>where hundreds of thousands of people have died, I would

0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 20>say unnecessarily, as the US President says as well, I

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.800
<v Speaker 20>think that is a good thing. We can only hope

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 20>that peace comes of this. And also people are saying

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 20>that he's giving everything away to Russia.

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 12>Look, we haven't.

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 20>We have not seen the final deal yet. You know,

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 20>Trump says a lot of things, but let's just wait

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 20>until we see the black letter of this deal. Okay,

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 20>let's just wait and see.

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we can be very critical on the fact

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>that he calls ze Landscap dictator, but let's give him

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>the benefit of the doubt until we see where this lands.

0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Now, this has caused all sorts.

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.959
<v Speaker 2>Of mayhem on social media, which has been quite fun

0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to watch. Donald Trump's I don't know if he uploaded it,

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>if he has control of his social media account, who knows,

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>But his social media account has uploaded an AI generated

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Gaza video.

0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Have a look, No more tunnels, No more.

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Right Trump number one.

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And it ends with Trump and Nattigna who with no

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>shirts on. I mean, if it's a I wouldn't they

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:28.759
<v Speaker 2>have given themselves better physiques in that version of the video.

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:31.960
<v Speaker 3>But they're kind of sound baking by Paul Adam.

0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:34.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, everyone's having you go at this, but the

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:40.160
<v Speaker 2>bottom line is right now, Gaza is a terrorist controlled hotspot,

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>which is not good for the Palestinians to live in.

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:46.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think Trump's trying to say, with investment

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and without terrorism, the place could be transformed.

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:51.760
<v Speaker 3>There could be a better future.

0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 20>Yeah, look, you know, I think that's true. I think,

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.800
<v Speaker 20>you know, if if if that video that that Trump

0:49:56.800 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 20>posted was a reality and the alternative was the current status, Oh,

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 20>I'm sure ninety percent of Palace Statians would rather be

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 20>in that, you know, be in that ai world. But

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 20>on the other hand, I can understand why, you know,

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 20>the Arab side of things are upset about. There's a

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.399
<v Speaker 20>lot of people have died. But also, you know, you've

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:12.839
<v Speaker 20>got to take a step back with Trump. I mean,

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 20>he posts a lot of crazy stuff. It's just him.

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 20>I mean, it is unorthodox. Certainly, it's very funny. But

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 20>you know, this is a man who goes to McDonald's.

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.440
<v Speaker 20>This is a man who drives garbage trucks. That's just

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:26.880
<v Speaker 20>his style. We've just got to get used to that.

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:28.439
<v Speaker 20>For the next three and a half years or more,

0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 20>there's going to be a lot more things like this.

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 20>And as you say, you know, the end, you know,

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:35.200
<v Speaker 20>the end may be a good thing for the region.

0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 20>It's still too early to.

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Say, yeah, well, it's got to be better than at

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the moment where there's just terrorism and death. Any change

0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.439
<v Speaker 2>is better than that. At least there's a vision here.

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>But still my favorite Trump movement. I'm just raising with you, Adam,

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.920
<v Speaker 2>because we haven't spoken about it yet. Other paper straws.

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Getting rid of the paper straws. Please can someone do

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.719
<v Speaker 2>that Australia. All right, Adam Crichton, thank you.

0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 3>So much for your time. Great to see you again.

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Good time you back in Australia, and thanks everyone for

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 2>your company this week. I'll see you Monday at eight o'clock.

0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.240
<v Speaker 2>But right now, here's poor Murray in Las Vegas.