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Speaker 1: Now you'll be pleased to know. I've got three final questions.

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Speaker 1: I suggest that you deliberately sourced death cap mushrooms in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Agree or disagree, disagree. I suggest you

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Speaker 1: deliberately included them in the beef wellingtons you served to

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Speaker 1: Don Patterson, Gail Patterson, Ian Wilkinson and Heather Wilkinson Agree

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Speaker 1: or disagree, disagree, and you did so intending to kill them.

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Speaker 1: Agree or disagree, disagree? Thank you. I have no further questions.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long stint on the stand for Aaron Patterson,

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Speaker 2: but after another day of cross examination by Crown prosecutor

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Speaker 2: Nanette Rodgers, the accused mushroom Cook murderer ended her testimony.

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Speaker 2: It was a day where the Crown tried to tie

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Speaker 2: up loose ends, quizzing Aaron on leftovers, phones and her

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Speaker 2: actions after that deadly lunch. I'm Brook GREYB. Craig, and

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Speaker 2: this is the Mushroom Cook. It's day thirty one of

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Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson murder trial, and I'm here with court reporter

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Speaker 2: Laura Placella. Hi, Laura, Hey, Brook.

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Speaker 3: We've made it. We've made it to the end of

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Speaker 3: Aaron's testimony. She has been in the witness box over

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Speaker 3: eight days, and today was her fifth day of cross examination.

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Speaker 3: As our listeners heard at the top of the episode,

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Speaker 3: three final questions were put to Erin before doctor Rogers

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Speaker 3: said she was done with her cross examination, and I

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Speaker 3: think today was the last time we'll hear doctor Rogers

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Speaker 3: ask the immortal question, agree or disagree?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right, Laura. I think it's also

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Speaker 2: going to be the last time that we hear doctor

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Speaker 2: Rogers asking correct or incorrect two once again. Several topics

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Speaker 2: dehydrating of mushrooms. Doctor Rogers asked Aaron about her evidence

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Speaker 3: Erin confirmed that she never told Senior Public Health Adviser

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Speaker 3: Colin Mandy. Doctor Rogers accused Erin of lying about dehydrating

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Speaker 3: these dried mushrooms. Here's what was said in court. The

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Speaker 1: I suggest this is another lie that you've made up

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Speaker 3: Incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers then took Erin to her testimony that she

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Speaker 3: Erin's son told an investigator in his pre recorded evidence

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Speaker 2: Yes, Aaron's bow movements were once again mentioned in court today.

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Speaker 3: Told the court last week that she pulled over on

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Speaker 2: Doctor Rogers also asked Aaron about her devices, dubbed phone A,

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Speaker 2: which was never located by police, Phone B, which Aaron

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Speaker 3: So we're going to try and step our listeners through

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Speaker 3: on Phone A. This was a phone that Erin bought

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Speaker 1: I suggest that you use this phone to research deathcap mushrooms,

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Speaker 1: I suggest it's because you deliberately concealed this phone from police.

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Speaker 3: Erin had claimed that Phone A was left on a

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Speaker 2: Thanks Laura for that explanation. Let's now move on to

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Speaker 2: Phone B.

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Speaker 3: All right, round two. So with Phone B, as you said, Brook,

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Speaker 2: And the factory resets of Phone B were also touched upon,

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Speaker 2: weren't they, Yes, they were, and we have spoken a

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Speaker 2: she did conduct two factory resets on August five and

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Speaker 2: this device of mushrooms or her dehydrator. But doctor Rogers

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Speaker 1: I suggest that you did three factory resets of this phone,

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Speaker 1: I suggest you did that to conceal the true contents

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Speaker 1: I suggest that you did this so you could then

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Speaker 3: Disagree.

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Speaker 2: So to summarize Laura, is it right to say that

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Speaker 2: the prosecution are accusing Aaron of concealing her real phone,

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Speaker 2: Phone A, from police, after using it to research death

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's their case.

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Speaker 2: And they're also accusing her of then giving police Phone

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Speaker 2: B because she knew there would be no data on

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Speaker 2: last time that we will hear about Phone A and

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Speaker 2: Phone B. But now let's move on.

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Speaker 3: By this stage, doctor Rogers had come to the end

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Speaker 2: of Erin, and.

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Speaker 3: He started off by asking her about the Enrich Clinic.

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Speaker 3: Erin last week told the court that she had an

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Speaker 3: appointment at this clinic to explore gastric bypass surgery on

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Speaker 3: September thirteenth, twenty twenty three. This week, the jury heard

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Speaker 3: that this clinic does not offer and has never offered,

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Speaker 3: gastric bypass surgery. Erin accepted that that was the case,

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Speaker 3: but today mister Mandy wanted to clarify something with her.

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Speaker 3: Erin explained that at the time she made the booking

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, she was of the understanding that

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Speaker 3: the Enrich Clinic offered gastric bypass surgery or liposuction. She

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Speaker 3: said that her understanding was they could discuss her needs

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Speaker 3: and what would be the procedure that best suited her.

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Speaker 3: But Erin conceded she must have been mistaken the clinic

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Speaker 3: offering gastric bypass surgery. The jury was shown a text

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Speaker 3: message that confirmed she did have an appointment on September

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Speaker 3: thirteen at the clinic, but as we previously heard, Aaron

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Speaker 3: canceled that appointment two days earlier.

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Speaker 2: Mister Mandy then asked Erin why she prepared a six

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Speaker 2: beef Wellington for that lunch on July twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Rogers had previously accused Erin of preparing this beef

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Speaker 3: Wellington for Simon if he turned up to the lunch,

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Speaker 3: but Erin confirmed that after she bought five twin packs

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Speaker 3: of iphillots and put two of those twin packs in

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Speaker 3: the fridge, she decided to use the remaining six stakes

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Speaker 3: for her beef Wellington. She said she had enough ingredients

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Speaker 3: to make six and she thought she could eat the

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Speaker 3: last one another day.

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Speaker 2: After briefly covering several more topics, mister Mandy announced he

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Speaker 2: had no further questions for Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Just as Christopher Beale then asked, mister Mandy, does that

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Speaker 3: close your case? And mister Mandy replied, it does your honor.

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Speaker 3: With that, he sat back down and Justice Beale then

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Speaker 3: turned to the jury. He then reiterated to them that

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't be required for a little while because he

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Speaker 3: would be having legal discussions with the prosecution and the

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Speaker 3: defense before the closing addresses could commence. Justice Bill told

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Speaker 3: them that these discussions would commence this afternoon, so we

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Speaker 3: told them that they could go home.

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Speaker 2: So the jury won't be coming in tomorrow. But rest assured,

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Speaker 2: we do have a little something for you, but for now.

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