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Speaker 3: This more run. Better be thrown in jail and throw

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning, Matthew, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 3: I heard your comments yesterday to General Edwards and you

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Speaker 1: Absolutely we've seen that this vicious and violent assault on

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Speaker 3: Through attempted murder pretty serious, you'd expect, surely, you'd expect

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, in this particular example, there is the upgraded charges

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Speaker 3: You would have been pretty disappointed then in that case

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really disappointing, and that's the exact sentiment that's

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Speaker 3: When an officer enters a flight zone of an agitated

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Speaker 3: Tough prison sentences so they don't seem to impede people's

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Speaker 3: All right, well, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Matthew Wade Burns Police Association President. Matt and

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Good, thank you. So this is just a shocking attack.

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Speaker 3: What's the legacy's role in this? What does police legacy

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Speaker 4: Well, it's important to noteesa Police Legacy is there only

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Speaker 3: Matt. You obviously somebody from your organization, as you say,

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Speaker 4: Away, look, I can't give any details at all in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thoughts to her and her family too for

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Speaker 3: that matter of course. Now, how do you support long

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Speaker 4: Well, Police Legacy use a stuth Australian charity and what

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Speaker 3: You've been close to the ground obviously in your role previously.

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Speaker 3: This would be top of mine right now, and I

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Speaker 4: Look, it does, it has. I've got a trunk connection

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Speaker 3: Would this be the most probably detrimental thing in terms

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, No, it's to say disappointing is an understatement.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very much, and really you have

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Speaker 3: good morning, Good morning matte. If we've been talking a

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Speaker 2: think the thing is they are reluctant to send some

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Speaker 2: That's the issue. It goes to show you, firstly how

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've also seen brazen crimes and anti

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Speaker 2: But security guards there don't have enough powers to apprehend

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Speaker 3: So should they be given greater powers? I put that

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Speaker 2: Yes, they should and with training of course. But security

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Speaker 2: declaring security guards as protective security guards. It is in

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Speaker 2: Now in light of terror attacks, armed defenders terrorizing shoppers

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there's no point having a security guard that

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Speaker 2: Well, times have change, mate, right, People out there now

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Speaker 3: Now, while I've got you, I want to very quickly

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Speaker 3: But the fact there might be more job losses on

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Speaker 2: Well it has to be Matthien. Look, let's be quite

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Speaker 3: Nowhere, all right, Frank TAngelo, thanks for your time this morning,