1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for downloading the show. I'm Shiginsburg. You're you here, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: we are and this is better than yesterday. Useful tools 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: and useful conversations to help you back today, better than 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: yesterday every episode since twenty thirteen. Thanks for being here. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Like follow, rate and subscribe sport. It is March when 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm recording this in Australia. We are already into what 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: we call in our country. It's a time of year 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: called football season, and there's a version of sport that 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: we talk about in our country constantly. It feels the statistics, 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: the trades from one team to another, the scandals off 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: the field, the grubbiness of the gambling. Oh my god. 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Now that was the version of sport that I knew 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: as a kid growing up in Brisbane. And I knew 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: that version of sport was not for me, and it 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: might not be for you. But my goal in this 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: next twenty minutes or so is to convince you otherwise, 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: because I'm here to tell you I have since discovered 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: life is far more wonderful and you feel far more 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: to the world around you. Where you follow some sort 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: of sport, it gives you a reason to connect with 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: your family, to speak the strangers you otherwise that have 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: nothing in common with I didn't know that when I 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: was younger. Thankfully I discovered it later in life. It's 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: the thing that when my wife look, she follows the 25 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs despite their appalling on an off field 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: track record, and it's got nothing to do really with 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: anything other than this team was an important part of 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: her integrating into Australian culture. When she first moved from 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Fiji as a kid, she lived in the neighborhood and 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: that was the team. It's time with the family, it's 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: going to the game together, and that is the version 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: of football that Brodon Kelly talks about. Broden Kelly is 33 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: how should we put this? He's one of Auntie Donna's nieces, 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: says three people in Auntie Donna, Brodon is. 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: One of them, and look. 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: While he is an incredible world around comedian known for 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the work he's done with Auntie Donna, he's also been 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: a part of creating an incredible podcast called The Footy. 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: That podcast is taking a break this season while he 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: goes and tours the world with Antie Donner at the moment, 41 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: but in this podcast, it describes the other kind of 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: relationship with football, not the stats, the gambling and the 43 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: trades and them scandals where men who'd never otherwise speak 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: to each other find a way to say, please connect 45 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: with me, except when they say it out lad, it 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: sounds like, did you see the game? We're going to 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: look at afl through a lens that you won't find 48 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: on any kind of Sunday footy show. The intimacy, the ritual, 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: the quiet need for belonging that lives underneath all the 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: banjos and the theme song. Why are there's so many 51 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: banjos and those theme songs? I'm going to try really 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: hard to convince you that if you don't already follow 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: some of football in Australia this season, it's a good 54 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: idea to pick a team and start now. This conversation 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: happened a little while ago when I was It was 56 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: in the apartment I was living in Melbourne when we 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: shot the final season of The Bachelor, and I think 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: night before or two nights before, I saw something which 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: blew me away when it came to the value that 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: football has in a community. And it's got nothing to 61 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: do with a scoreboard, but it's the cultural thing here 62 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: that I was riding bicycle. I was riding to something 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: the other night and I rode past the train station 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: at Richmond and I saw this family get off the 65 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: train and they were walking to the mcg and it 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: was mum and dad and two kids. 67 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: Young girl, young boy probably looked. 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Eleven and nine, and they had both made hand drawn. 69 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: Signs yes to hold up for the players that they love. 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love that. 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how everything wanted to do that when 72 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: I was a kid, but that that exists is a 73 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: fucking amazing and I'm sad that I missed it. 74 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: What those kids are showing when they have that sign. 75 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 5: I think what it says to me is, look, it's 76 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 5: an expression of the relationship that those kids have with 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: their parents and that night and that ritual. And when 78 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 5: I was in twenty fourteen coming back to company, I 79 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 5: was in Edinburgh or twenty fifteen, fifteen fourteen or fifteen 80 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 5: or sixteen doing our shown when you're overseas and I 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 5: don't know if you feel this, but you you get 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 5: a very clear look at Australia. Oh yeah, yeah, you 83 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 5: see it clear you for ten years? You do you 84 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: very much so And I was in America's one when 85 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 5: the bushfires are happening in twenty nineteen, we've got a 86 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 5: very clear image of Australia when you're overseas and the 87 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 5: Adam Good stuff was happening, which was this cultural pylon 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 5: of just assholes of one of Australia's great players, with 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 5: really clear racial undertones to it, and I think a 90 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 5: lot of people just followed, a lot of people didn't 91 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 5: know how to respond. 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: And I thought, there's not a lot of great We 93 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: have a lot of blokes. 94 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 5: In sport who sort of lead, and a lot of 95 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 5: people follow ineptlely. And I was like, the kids who 96 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: are I want to talk about the kids who make 97 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 5: those signs and I want that generation to have a 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 5: positive Yeah, I want to I want to give a 99 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: positive direction that doesn't end up just being we boom 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 5: because we don't like him as opposed. 101 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: To we know why you don't don't tell me? 102 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 5: And if you really don't boo him for that, you're 103 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 5: next to the people who do who do him for that, 104 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 5: and they're not say anything about it. 105 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: When I think about those hand drawn signs, they're not statistics. 106 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: They're not about statistics, they're not about star players, those 107 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: drawing those signs. That was about a ritual time spent 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: together as a family, a moment of shared devotion. And Broden, 109 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: when he made this podcast, he wanted to create a 110 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: space where that generation could see sport differently, whether the 111 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: conversation didn't default to cruelty or tribalism. Were those kids 112 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: holding signs could grow into adults who knew why they 113 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: were really there? Now, as I said, his podcast The 114 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: Footy is taking a hiatus this season, but there still 115 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: heaps of episodes. 116 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: I'd recommend it thoroughly. 117 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 1: Broden started doing that podcast during Artie Donna's first break 118 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: in a decade, and he set himself a goal. I 119 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: want to shift away young men engage with sport, not the. 120 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: Lads from school, not the stats. 121 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: Obsessives, the dorks, the comedy nerds, the ones who loved 122 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: footy but never saw themselves reflected in the bloky, aggressive 123 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: discourse that dominated sports media, the very same thing that 124 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: pushed me away when I was a kid. And what 125 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Broden discovered was that for many men talking about sport, 126 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: it isn't about sport at all. 127 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: What's it about? Man? 128 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: Your footy podcast is so fucking good. 129 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 5: I just wanted to make a show where Donna's taking 130 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: its first four month break in ten years, and that 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 5: we've we never had a day off really, and so 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: we got to the point where we were allowed to 133 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 5: give us a little bit of time off, and I 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 5: was like, I don't know what I'm going to do, 135 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 5: and so I set myself the goal of going, I 136 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 5: want to shift the way that young men engage with sport. 137 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happens to me when I listen to. 138 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: That's nice, that's good. Yeah. 139 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 5: I was just literally I just wanted to be like, 140 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 5: whenever I was listening to sports stuff, I love it. 141 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: It's my break from doing comedy all day. And I 142 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 5: was like, there's two people talking about sport to me, 143 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: and it's the old dude, it's my dad's friends, or 144 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 5: it's the lads, it's the cool Loki skips from school. 145 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 5: And I was like, I think there's a lot of 146 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 5: dogs who like football and a lot of like comedy 147 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 5: nerds who like sport. And I was like, I think 148 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 5: if I just and what often sport is it's just 149 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: the first sentence of a deeper conversation that you want 150 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 5: to have, whether it's about your family, your life. When 151 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 5: like with anything else, your passion abate in life, it's 152 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 5: a representation of your DNA and it's a starting point. 153 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 5: So that's all I wanted to explore. And when I 154 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: was really excited to find out is there was a 155 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 5: bunch of people who are really felt the same way 156 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: as me and who were engaged with them. 157 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because my parents both Euros, you know, anything that 158 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: wasn't soccer. They never were doctors, they didn't really ever 159 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: play sport themselves, so as kids we never really I 160 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: played a little bit of soccer, but I kind of 161 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: missed it a lot. And I was an odd kid 162 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: and I didn't like being jostled around, so I wasn't 163 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: interested in rugby. 164 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: League at all. 165 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, the league in Queensland at the 166 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: time was shit because all the good players were bought 167 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: by and you said, wow, poker machines. 168 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: That's how State of Rogers started. 169 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Poker machines were legal in New South Wales but on 170 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: in Queensland, so all the clubs down in New South 171 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: Wales could afford to buy Yeah poke gambling, fucking gambling, 172 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: and so in queensland's been good ever since. Well basically 173 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: they were well, what happened if you know, we played 174 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: against the others, That's how the first one happened, right, 175 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: and it kind of went from there. But still there 176 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: was no really great players until Broncos shot up in 177 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: the late eighties and we had Brisbane Bears, but they 178 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: were on the Gold Coast, which at the time was 179 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: an hour and ten minutes away, around half away for 180 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: ever away, and there was so many gold persons in 181 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the ball doesn't bounce right and people on the wrong 182 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: end of the field. I don't know what the fuck 183 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: this is. So I missed it, you know, I missed 184 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: it a lot. I engaged through comedy. I engaged with 185 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: rugby league through Royan HG. This is how I engaged 186 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: with rugby league. They made it okay for me to 187 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: like this game that was Otherwise the only time he'd 188 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: ever read about these guys is when they you know, 189 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: hit people not on the field, you know. 190 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so. 191 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: It is through comedy that I was able to enga 192 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: with that. And then so similarly to the a f L. 193 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: When I listened to you or Josh Garla put on 194 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: your family, he's fucking great, and it's like, oh yeah, 195 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: like this is now Okay, I can I can talk 196 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: about this. 197 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 5: He finally comes from the world. I'm sure he's mentioned 198 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 5: it to you as ere. He was a journalist and 199 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 5: he was sitting in the in the in the in 200 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 5: the writer's pool or whatever it is, the terrible room 201 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 5: I've been in there. Yeah, right, and someone said, oh, 202 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 5: Khwaj is out for the third test, and someone said 203 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 5: who gives a ship? And he was like exactly, and 204 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: had this real epiphany moment. 205 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: Wow. 206 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 5: But you know, you can care about sport, but it's 207 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 5: more about the connection it has to people, and we 208 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 5: love it so much in this country. And it's just 209 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,719 Speaker 5: like particularly in. 210 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: This city because the way that league is, there's very 211 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: few suburban grounds. 212 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: Whereas here you can literally walk. 213 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 4: It's everywhere. 214 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: It is everywhere, it is everywhere. Like I said, we 215 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: recorded that conversation in the apartment I was living in. Well, 216 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: we made that last season of The Bachelor, and out 217 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: of the window where Brodon and I were sitting, I 218 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: could see the football ground where the original team which 219 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: became the Sydney Swans came from. I could have walked 220 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: there from my front door in ten minutes. It blows 221 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: my mind that that sort of thing is just everywhere 222 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: in the community. 223 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: There we have to take a break. 224 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: But if I still haven't got you over the line 225 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: about why sport like football, AFL, soccer, basketball, whatever is 226 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: important for you and your family, Why it's important that 227 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: you pick a team and follow it throughout season. 228 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: Broden is going to absolutely bring it home. 229 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: On the other side of this, the commercial break stiga around. 230 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the show. 231 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Just before we wrap up our conversation with Broden, Kelly, 232 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to remind you that Story Club returns in 233 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: Sydney on the twelfth of April. We have James colly Beck, Melrose, 234 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: deb Osweld, Richard Glover, Zone on Lodge and myself. It 235 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: is a regular storytelling night. It's a longest storytelling night 236 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: that's been running in the country. It's a comedy storytelling night. 237 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: If you can't make it to the gig, there's a 238 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. The links are in the show notes. That's 239 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: where you can also get tickets and get on our 240 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: newsletter and or full episodes of this show, but also 241 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: on YouTube. I'll put the link there now. When it 242 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: comes to sport and following sport, I came to sport 243 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: in the similar way that Broden does with this podcast, 244 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: because football and rugby league was something that really I 245 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: kind of looked down upon it before I first heard 246 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Roy and HG call the State of Origin game up 247 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: in Queensland. These guys, they gave me a reason to 248 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: enjoy this thing I otherwise wasn't into. I guess it's 249 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: not dissimilar to the way that Rosy Waterland gave a 250 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: lot of people a reason to enjoy The Bachelor. Because 251 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: as I started to enjoy this game more, I got 252 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: to relate to my friends more on a closer level 253 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: because I now enjoyed watching this game with them, and 254 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: sport became a doorway not to highlight. 255 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: Reels or trade rumors or. 256 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Whatever, but something underneath that. And look, for me, it 257 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: was Roy and HG making rugby league safe for an 258 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: odd kid who didn't like being punched in the arm 259 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: to say hello. For Broden, it was creating a space 260 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: for dorks who love footy but never fit the mold. 261 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: It's about the connection that it has to people. That's 262 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: what they love, that's what kept them coming back. When 263 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: he was eighteen years old, Broden Kelly had a very 264 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: very strange job but it was a job that taught 265 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: him a lot about not just the AFL, but masculinity 266 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: and the ability to see a human and the ideas 267 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: that human has as two separate things. 268 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: A very very very good point and also like but 269 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 5: also like, separating the opinion from the person is something 270 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 5: that you often do online when you don't really know someone. 271 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 5: My first job, and I was eighteen, right, I had 272 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 5: the wrong job. I was in year twelve and I 273 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 5: would leave school early and drive into the MCG in Melbourne, 274 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 5: and I used to work with my I used to 275 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 5: work with seven year olds and eighty year old's ex cops. 276 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 5: I was a Melbourne cricket club man in a suit 277 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: who would like check check if anyone was too pissed. 278 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 5: And I was the members yeah, college shirts and like 279 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 5: very formal, very RSA yeah, But I was more just 280 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: like stand around and keep the club standard up. 281 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: Was my job. I was eighteen. 282 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: Only white people in Brighton at that time, yes, and 283 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: not a lot of women. 284 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 5: They used to have things for women's cards because women 285 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: couldn't be members, so now they have allowed that, but 286 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 5: there's still a few women's cards floating around. But I 287 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 5: used to just work with all ex coppers who were 288 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 5: on the beat in Melbourne in the fifties and sixties, 289 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: and without going into too much detail, they have very 290 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 5: different opinions to anyone now. But I remember just standing 291 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 5: with these blokes for ten twelve hours a day and 292 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 5: having very different opinions on most things to them, but 293 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 5: also being able to separate that experience. But even though 294 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: I violently disagreed with so many things that old men 295 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 5: had to say in the two thousands, you've got to 296 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 5: connect someone human with their opinions, and that doesn't really 297 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 5: happen online. It's so much easy to go viciously on someone. 298 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 5: It's just the opinion. 299 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, We're talking about using real people from your real 300 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: life as a basis for you know, your work right now, 301 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: to be exposed to that for twelve hours a day, 302 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: not only those blokes but also the people who are 303 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: in there. 304 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: Matt, I'm sure we've said a few of those blokes 305 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: on screen. 306 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, one hundred percent, mate. 307 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's some people who I've seen on TV 308 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 5: now used to go in there who are just real pricks, 309 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 5: real pricks, and some nice people as well. Yeah, but yes, no, 310 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: it was good. 311 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: Standing for twelve hours with people whose opinions horrified you. 312 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: That's not an app you can close or a YouTube 313 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: video you can look away from. That's proximity, that's right 314 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: in the face of it. It's that friction that teaches 315 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: you how to hold a human being and their views 316 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and the ideas they have in the same mental space 317 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: without your reality collapsing. Broden learned how to do it 318 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: at the MCG, surrounded by ex cops and MCG members 319 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: who've been there for decades. It's a lesson you can't 320 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: learn and staring at his green. So when people talk 321 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: about barracking for a footy team like it's a choice, 322 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: like a pick a color and a mascot and that's it. Well, look, 323 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Brydon sees it differently. When people follow a team or 324 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: talk about the footy to each other, what are they 325 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: really doing that personal connection to a club? What does 326 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: it mean? 327 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: When what club did you grow up? 328 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: I go for Melbourne my grandfather. 329 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: Which is which which animal? 330 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: The demon, the satan? The ones connected to the underworld? 331 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: Well this is great, Yeah, they were originally the futures, 332 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 5: which is a flower? 333 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, demons better, yeah slightly, But I'm guessing there was 334 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: a a familial thing. 335 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: This is what you're going to go for. 336 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: When I say I go for Melbourne, what I'm really 337 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 5: saying is my grandfather went for fifty years and worked 338 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 5: at the MCG and I worked with him and my cousins, 339 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 5: And what I'm saying is my family right. 340 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: Isn't that funny? 341 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: I've never heard it explain like that. 342 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: You know that it is just before when you said, 343 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: those kids that night is a representation of their love 344 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: for their parents and their connection they have around the 345 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: ritual of going to a game. It's not necessarily the 346 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: outcome of the game. I've never heard it explain like 347 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: that because I missed that from my own parents, and 348 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: in that space with with demons, for example, we've seen 349 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: whatever club it is when there's a really fucking horrible transgression, 350 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: someone does something very very bad. Yes, you know, whether 351 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: it be violent or sexually violent or worse, what does 352 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: it mean to you? 353 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: Well, if it's if it's. 354 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: Just just what's the word indefensible, then it's indefensible. But 355 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: there's when you're talking about like punching someone. 356 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 4: On the field, you go you you do. 357 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 5: Your instinct is to go to the defense of that person, 358 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 5: even if they've played at ten other clubs and they 359 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 5: come to your team. 360 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's territorial. 361 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 5: It's obviously sometimes not good and sometimes it's it's that 362 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 5: it's clan mentality. 363 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: It's the off field stuff. 364 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I think is because there's people who are This is 365 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: quite why I try to seek it alternate NRL. Yes, 366 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: your points, because the people that are on camera talking 367 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: about it, I'm like. 368 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: Just supposed to forget about. 369 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: Some of that ships exactly because I can't. Maybe, yeah, 370 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 4: like I. 371 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Know, you know, everyone deserves a chance to be contrite 372 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: and everyone deserves a chance to learn and show. 373 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: But it's hard for me. 374 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 5: Yeah too, I think I think you approach it the 375 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 5: same way as like Hollywood or TV ego. I enjoy 376 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 5: this medium, I enjoy this this entertainment, but that person 377 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 5: is a prick and remove them and you know, in 378 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: the same way you look at I don't know music. 379 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't listen to that artist anymore. 380 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: I terrible people make great art. It's really it's really hard. 381 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 5: Like there's some you notice as well that with music though, 382 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 5: is like a song can be really good, but if 383 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 5: you watch a two part eight hour documentary about that 384 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 5: person's trans reres aggressions. 385 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 4: You can't listen to that song anymore, like it's there's 386 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 4: a there's a we. 387 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: The the the discussion of separating the artist from the 388 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 5: from their work for what they've done, if they've done, 389 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 5: if it's bad enough that you it's hard to look 390 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 5: at that painting or to listen to that song really. 391 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: Unless you take seven hundred wickets exactly and then how 392 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: about you, or unless you know Pablo Pocasso put a 393 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: cigaretteut in his girlfriend's face then painted it, did he really? 394 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: And but he's still Pablo picass You know, it's it's 395 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: very I don't know the answer to it, but it's very. 396 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 5: Difficult even if you even if you're Stephen Frows talks 397 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 5: about Wagner's music and just he was just one of 398 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 5: the most horrible people alive. And if you're genuinely being 399 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 5: honest with yourself, even if you're still like the song, 400 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 5: you can't remove it, like you still hear it. You 401 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 5: can't hear Michael Jackson someone without thinking about him. 402 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 4: You can't. You know, it's really hard. Yeah, it's really 403 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: hard because was it a wedding And I. 404 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: Was like, oh, yeah, this is a great. It's a 405 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: great one, isn't it. 406 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 4: It's like I kind of want to dance it is. 407 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to walk off and get a drink now. 408 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really hard when it comes to it. I'm 409 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: friends with Charlie Lauson and Will Anderson who have been 410 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: the River Boys podcast. 411 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: Yes they are now. 412 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: Good home and Away reference now, I like, you know, 413 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: they talk about just the eternal heartbreak of being born 414 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: into a family that supports a club that's just shit. 415 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a very very Melbourneish kind of thing. 416 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 4: I think there's I grew up in a team. 417 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 5: My team won a premiership for the first time two 418 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 5: years ago when I was thirty two, and I and 419 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 5: my team's very very bad. Someone said it about the 420 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 5: Boston Celtics me, it's not about when they win. It's 421 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 5: about the time you spend with them. 422 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting. 423 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: It's about it's about the time that you dedicate to 424 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 5: them and how you experience that. It's the train ride 425 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 5: to the ground, it's the time with your dad or 426 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 5: your mum or your kids. It's the it's the it's 427 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: the it's the dedication of time you spend with them, 428 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: as opposed to the winning or losing, and so in 429 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 5: the moments when you are really really upset with how 430 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 5: it's played out. In the long run, it's actually something 431 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 5: that's kind of becoming part of you, imbued in you, 432 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 5: and that this is the way you choose to spend 433 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 5: your time reflects who you are. 434 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: I've never heard it described like this, like I know 435 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: there's a reason I want to go to the Swans 436 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and go the East Games with Wolfe's. It's less about 437 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: the outcome of the game or whose ankles fucked or whatever. 438 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: And this is why I really like a podcast, because 439 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: when I watch those shows, all they. 440 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: Talk about is a ligand an injury. 441 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: All they talk about is you know this coach is 442 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: not good or next year someone's getting traded for this. 443 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. 444 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't give a shit. 445 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 4: Yes at all. 446 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 5: What they're really saying, what people when they're talking about 447 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 5: an injury, what they're talking what they're really saying. If 448 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 5: you're talking to or mate about this stuff, what you're 449 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 5: really saying is please connect with me, please, let's let's 450 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 5: It's something happens particularly with men, not just men, but 451 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 5: particularly men. There's comedians I know who I don't really 452 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: work in the same rooms with but when I found 453 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: out there Melbourne, I'm now deeply connected with and just 454 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: something men particularly I think, need a reason to connect 455 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 5: with someone. Yeah, yeah, as something as arbitrary as a 456 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 5: sports team is enough to And. 457 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: That's the real superpower of this city, I think. 458 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: And why that particularly the AFL has influenced our country 459 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: in such a positive ways because it gives people a 460 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: reason to talk who otherwise wouldn't have had a reason 461 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: to talk, which, on a wild way is when people 462 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: ask me about what do you like about The Bachelor? 463 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: I like it when people send me pictures of five people. 464 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: Sitting on a couch for three all right, the ratings 465 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: hate it because it means because four people have come over, 466 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: someone's has to watch it. 467 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: But it's giving people a reason to be together. 468 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say sports one way to 469 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 5: do it's a very old way to connect, but shows 470 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 5: like The Bachelor. My favorite podcast is a show called 471 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 5: The Weekly Planet, which is hosted by mister Sunday Movies, 472 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: and that is I'm like, this is just a sports 473 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 5: show bit Amount Movies really, and it's like, what do 474 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 5: we think the New Spider Man is going to be 475 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 5: like or what do we think any kind of community. 476 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 5: It's becoming more and more common. It's just a nice 477 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: way to connect with people. 478 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 4: Really. Yeah, Bachelor is a huge example of that. 479 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Fifty years a grandfather of the mcg cousin's family. That's 480 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: what's at the guts of Broadens support of Melbourne. It's 481 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: not about a mascot or anything like that. 482 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: It's about the time. 483 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: Spent, the people you're with, the ritual that sows you 484 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: into something bigger than the sum of its parts. And 485 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: when these bikes are talking about a pulled hamstring or 486 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: a tray gone wrong, what they're actually talking about. What 487 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: they're really trying to say is connect with me, mate, 488 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk, Let's show me I'm not alone here. 489 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: And it could be anything. 490 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: Could be footy, it could be The Bachelor, could be 491 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: a billion dollar superhero movie, whatever it is. That's the dialect, 492 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: that's the language that you speak. That's the way in 493 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: the real juice is what happens when the talking starts 494 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: and where you get to after that. I loved that 495 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: conversation with Broden Kelly. There's so much more to it. 496 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 2: We talk a lot. 497 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: About comedy and an Antie Donner and things like that. 498 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: I would recommend highly you go back and listen to it, 499 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: but just this year, just try. If you've never followed 500 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: a football team ever, pick just pick. 501 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: One, go buy colors. I don't care. 502 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: Like Hey, you choose a Melbourne Cup one, pick a game, 503 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: pick a league, pick a sport, pick a team, whatever, 504 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: then just follow it, be interested and see what happens. 505 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: See what happens when you're out and about with your family. 506 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear what you think. You jump on 507 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the newsletter, the links and the show notes, you hit 508 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: reply on that you can get back to me if 509 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: you want. If you like this episode, it was useful 510 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: for you, Please subscribe, like, follow, share, just send this 511 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: episode to somebody. That'll be the best thing you could 512 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: ever do for me. Auntie Donna's on tour all. 513 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 2: Over the joint right now. Check them out. Thank you 514 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: so much for listening to the show. 515 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: Thanks to Damian Haffington who helped me cut this episode up, 516 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: Cassidy Creevy who helps me be where I am where 517 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: I see I'm going to be, And thank you for listening. 518 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: You're awesome. Enjoy the footy. See you on Wednesday.