Speaker 1: Welcome to healthy Ish. Thanks for joining us today on
Speaker 1: the Body and Soul podcast. I hope you are feeling healthish.
Speaker 1: Of course, I am Felicity Harley, the host. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the complexities of weight and health today and the
Speaker 1: balance needed in weight loss approaches. My guest is the
Speaker 1: fabulous nutritionist Lindy Cohen, and she talks about the significance
Speaker 1: of sustainable healthy habits, the impact of sleep on health behaviors,
Speaker 1: and we also talk about how to save money while
Speaker 1: still eating healthy. Lindy, Welcome back to healthy Ish.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm actually very good today. I slept so well
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I bet you woke up you know you did?
Speaker 2: Good? Sleep are just so good, aren't they?
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: I have two kids of a four year old, one
Speaker 4: and a half year old, so anytime I get a
Speaker 4: good sleep, I'm like, this is the lottery, This is
Speaker 4: the key to unlocking happiness and health and everything that
Speaker 4: comes with us.
Speaker 2: So today is a good day, Today's going to be
Speaker 2: a great day.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about something well, perhaps not great. Well
Speaker 1: that there are upsides to this, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: as many of our listeners, no body and Soul recently
Speaker 1: conducted a survey called Health of the Nation, and because
Speaker 1: you are Australia's leading advocate into I'm calling it diet BS,
Speaker 1: we have to talk to you about some of the
Speaker 1: stats around well weight and weight loss. Fifty two percent
Speaker 1: still worry about their weight. Fifty six percent of Australians
Speaker 1: describe themselves as overweight in some way, particularly women, they
Speaker 1: were sixty four percent compared to fifty five percent of males.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around all of this.
Speaker 4: Well, firstly, we do know that women tend to report
Speaker 4: themselves as weighing more than they do and men tend
Speaker 4: to report themselves as weighing a little bit less than
Speaker 4: they do. But typically I think that these stats do
Speaker 4: reflect what we know at a whole of how we're
Speaker 4: going with overweight and obesity rates.
Speaker 3: And I think I've got.
Speaker 4: Two schools of thought here, one being that I think
Speaker 4: we're told that being overweight is always awful and it's
Speaker 4: a sign of poor health, and what we know from
Speaker 4: the research and the building research is this isn't always
Speaker 4: the case. What we do get is people who are
Speaker 4: in that overweight category, who exercise daily, who eat loads
Speaker 4: of veggies, who are doing lots of things that are
Speaker 4: really great for their health, and as a result, these
Speaker 4: people can be categorized as healthy. And so what I'm
Speaker 4: saying is the BMI does not always nail it when
Speaker 4: it comes to a reflective view on how we look
Speaker 4: at health. And likewise you get people who are in
Speaker 4: the healthy weight category and yet are doing very unhealthy things.
Speaker 4: So I think it's not the beer and end all
Speaker 4: when it comes to assessing our health. But at the
Speaker 4: same token, I do know that there is a point
Speaker 4: where you get to you just got you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm feeling a little bit heavier than I want to be.
Speaker 4: I've just come We're filming this in It's fab right
Speaker 4: the wall, just come off the back of a holiday season.
Speaker 4: I'm feeling a little bit heavier than I normally do.
Speaker 4: As a result, I'm feeling like a little bit more sluggish.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't mind losing a couple of kilograms. And this
Speaker 4: has nothing to do with aesthetics. This is simply I
Speaker 4: want to feel really good in my body. And I
Speaker 4: think there is, you know, a bit of a polarity
Speaker 4: going on in the health world where there's one side
Speaker 4: that says you're never allowed to talk about weight loss,
Speaker 4: so you're never allowed to talk about your weight. And
Speaker 4: the other school thought that goes, you must pursue weight
Speaker 4: loss at the cost of your health, and who cares
Speaker 4: what you have to sacrifice. I like to sit somewhere
Speaker 4: in between, in the middle where we go we can
Speaker 4: have balance, we can have moderation, and we can also
Speaker 4: find a weight that feels comfortable for us, whatever that is.
Speaker 1: You're so right, because I you know, I get a
Speaker 1: bit prickly when I talk about weight loss because I
Speaker 1: know it can trigger some people. But on the flip side,
Speaker 1: you know, our stats show that the majority of us
Speaker 1: are over weight and obese.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know.
Speaker 1: I've been thinking, is it the terms that we use,
Speaker 1: the language that we use. I mean, the word obesity
Speaker 1: has so much shame around it, finger pointing. You know
Speaker 1: that you're not that it's your problem because you're like
Speaker 1: this when a lot of us know it's actually the
Speaker 1: built food.
Speaker 2: Environment we live in.
Speaker 1: Is it a matter of the language and perhaps coming
Speaker 1: up with a new definition of weight and weight loss?
Speaker 3: Holly and I think beyond it as well.
Speaker 4: It's what we're seeing from the stats of the health
Speaker 4: of the nation is that people are changing the way
Speaker 4: that they're eating and they're doing it for health reasons
Speaker 4: beyond just weight loss. So it is this idea of Okay,
Speaker 4: let's broaden our definition of what we know health to mean.
Speaker 4: We know it's not as simple as BMI. We know
Speaker 4: it's not as simple as categorizing someone as overweight or obese,
Speaker 4: and can we have better conversations around it as or
Speaker 4: we're not being avoidant of it? And I would love
Speaker 4: a new vocab to go with it so that it
Speaker 4: doesn't feel as shaming and polarizing. I'll tell you what
Speaker 4: I grew up as you know what. I was fine
Speaker 4: years old when I first realized that I was a
Speaker 4: bit bigger than the other girls.
Speaker 3: When I looked five years old, I.
Speaker 4: Was looking in the mirror at ballet class, wearing a
Speaker 4: pink leotade, and they had these straight up and down
Speaker 4: bodies and my thighs touched and I just knew already
Speaker 4: that was wrong, that wasn't as good. I played with barbies.
Speaker 4: I got the message, but it wasn't until I was
Speaker 4: eleven that I started thinking, oh, you know, I really
Speaker 4: like to be thin. I was well within the healthy
Speaker 4: weight range, but I wanted to be thin. So I
Speaker 4: went to a nutrition that she put me on a
Speaker 4: really rigorous meal plan, and instead of consistently losing weight,
Speaker 4: I gained weight. And so by the age of twenty one,
Speaker 4: I was morbidly OBEs I hated my body, I hated myself.
Speaker 4: I thought there was something very fundamentally wrong with me,
Speaker 4: that I had failed because I'd been given so many
Speaker 4: rules about how to eat and how much to eat,
Speaker 4: and in fact, I was weighing out my food. No
Speaker 4: one was more obsessed with trying to lose weight than
Speaker 4: I was, and yet I was the heaviest I'd ever been.
Speaker 4: I went to my doctor I said I have a problem,
Speaker 4: and he looked me in the eye and he said, well,
Speaker 4: you want to try this new diet.
Speaker 3: My wife is having success. And I wanted to yell
Speaker 3: at him.
Speaker 2: I have tried how long with this? It's just so
Speaker 2: we know the era when so.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty one at this point.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is a decade after I first started dieting,
Speaker 4: and I was in twenty I was twenty eleven, right, Okay,
Speaker 4: so we're coming out of that stringent, hardcore diet era.
Speaker 4: And so my doctor was also kind of he wasn't
Speaker 4: immror to this diet chat. And that was the moment
Speaker 4: I think I realized, I've been obsessed with trying to
Speaker 4: lose weight, and I am the heaviest and themost unhealthy
Speaker 4: I've ever been because I'm obsessed. What happens if I
Speaker 4: tried a different approach where I decented weight from my life,
Speaker 4: and over the course of four years, I lost twenty kilograms.
Speaker 4: And you know, this thing that I had chased my
Speaker 4: entire life ended up just being a natural side effect
Speaker 4: from adding in healthy habits that I could actually stick to.
Speaker 4: And I realized in a very liberating moment that actually
Speaker 4: it hadn't got to do with my will power. I
Speaker 4: didn't need to be so forceiful. Of course, I needed
Speaker 4: to add in healthier habits. I needed to change the
Speaker 4: way I thought about food.
Speaker 3: And it's almost like a.
Speaker 4: Byproduct of having a healthy relationship with food, I found
Speaker 4: a weight that was comfy for me. Now, they'll tell
Speaker 4: you what. It's not my dream body. You know, my
Speaker 4: pinterest for that I had when I was twenty one
Speaker 4: years old. These girls are these like perfectly flat ads.
Speaker 4: I will never have that body, and now, especially more
Speaker 4: so after I've had kids, you know, she's just shaped differently,
Speaker 4: and I've come to accept that. But I do know
Speaker 4: what it's like to be at a weight that feels
Speaker 4: uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 3: And I also know what.
Speaker 4: It's like to feel like that's something that's out of
Speaker 4: reach for you and something that only other people can have.
Speaker 4: And I tell you what, I think one of the
Speaker 4: kind of key things to getting to that point when
Speaker 4: you find a happy weight for you is patience and
Speaker 4: realizing it's not a quick thing. For that twenty kilograms
Speaker 4: happened over four years. That's even doubt. That's one hundred
Speaker 4: grams a week. If I was pursuing weight loss like
Speaker 4: I had been prior, I would have absolutely given up.
Speaker 4: It totally would have led me to overeat and fall
Speaker 4: off the band wagon, which was my old trick. But instead,
Speaker 4: because I wasn't actually weighing myself, I ended up coming
Speaker 4: back to a weight that felt very comfy for me.
Speaker 1: So how I mean weight loss is one of the
Speaker 1: likely goals of a lot of listeners. You know, whether
Speaker 1: it's because you just want to feel better, it might
Speaker 1: be those few kilos, or it might be you know,
Speaker 1: a lot twenty kilos like you did. How do we
Speaker 1: approach this in a healthy way?
Speaker 2: Like? How did you lose that weight in a healthy way?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then again I once I had my kids, right,
Speaker 4: I gained weight to have kids, and I a year
Speaker 4: of postpartum, I looked in the mirror and I go, shoot,
Speaker 4: it's not about fitting into my old clothes or bouncing back.
Speaker 3: But I don't have that energy. And then once again
Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, I wouldn't mind losing a
Speaker 3: bit of weight, and I did.
Speaker 4: And the process to do this is is actually much
Speaker 4: simpler than most people think. The first thing I did
Speaker 4: is I go, what's a healthy habit that I can
Speaker 4: add into my life that I can stick to for
Speaker 4: the rest of my life? And I think this is
Speaker 4: the bit where people mess it up. You're going You're
Speaker 4: going to go, oh, you know, I can go heat
Speaker 4: over for three weeks, three months, I could lose I
Speaker 4: could intimate and.
Speaker 3: Fast for the rest of the year. Cool. But even
Speaker 3: if you can't maintain.
Speaker 4: That lifestyle for the rest of your life or at
Speaker 4: least for the next few years, any weight you do
Speaker 4: lose is probably going to be regained, and statistically, you'll
Speaker 4: regain more weight than your originally lost, which is what
Speaker 4: happened to me time and time again, is how I
Speaker 4: got to the point at twenty one being categorically morbidly abyes.
Speaker 3: And what we want to do is go, I can
Speaker 3: stick to this for the rest of my life.
Speaker 4: What that might look like because you might go, right, well,
Speaker 4: I want to add in more gentle movements. And I
Speaker 4: tell you what, twenty minute walk that ends up happening
Speaker 4: is far better than an hour at the gym that
Speaker 4: you never end up getting done. Right, So we're looking
Speaker 4: at done is better than perfect, and consistency is the
Speaker 4: name of the gain. So can I do this for
Speaker 4: the rest of my life? Or am I going to
Speaker 4: feel deprived? And what makes you feel deprived or restricted
Speaker 4: will shift as you evolve and you come out of
Speaker 4: whatever relationship with food you might be in. And then
Speaker 4: we go, okay, so I can do it. Now, there's
Speaker 4: two things. There's got to be a balance between enjoyment
Speaker 4: and discover So I want you to go, how can
Speaker 4: I make this enjoyable or easier? Is another way to
Speaker 4: do it. So you go, oh, do you know what?
Speaker 4: I hate cooking food? It's just not my thing. Then
Speaker 4: you go, how do I lower the bar to entry.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm the recipes are too complicated. Can I cook
Speaker 4: simpler stuff? Can I cook twice? Cook once and then
Speaker 4: eat it twice so I have a double the recipe
Speaker 4: and I can freeze the other half. How do I
Speaker 4: make things easier and therefore more enjoyable, much more likely
Speaker 4: to stick to it? And then the other thing is
Speaker 4: the discomfort. So after I had kids, going all right,
Speaker 4: I want to lose a little bit of weight. The
Speaker 4: question I had to ask myself is which discomfort do
Speaker 4: I want? Do I want the discomfort of getting waking
Speaker 4: up every morning and not having anything that fits me,
Speaker 4: feeling a bit blur in my body? Or do I
Speaker 4: want to sit with the discomfort of starting getting back
Speaker 4: into exercise again and that feeling of I don't really
Speaker 4: want to go, but you know, knowing I'm going to
Speaker 4: feel good afterwards. So it's a degree of just choosing
Speaker 4: which discomfort you want to roll with for a while.
Speaker 4: And if you're someone like me who's been an emotional
Speaker 4: eater their entire life, I find a thing that is
Speaker 4: incredibly helpful is to break through that scarcity mindset. The
Speaker 4: scarcity mindset's going to tell you oh, you know, I'll
Speaker 4: just finish the packet now, so I can kind of
Speaker 4: like be good tomorrow and eat a house. It's perfectly
Speaker 4: clear of all treats and whatnot. And a really simple
Speaker 4: thing to remind yourself is anytime I want to eat
Speaker 4: that food, I can. And I know that sounds like
Speaker 4: the exact opposite of what you hear anyone else say,
Speaker 4: but what it does is it helps your brain know
Speaker 4: that food is allowed. Food's not going to run out,
Speaker 4: it's not going to be taken away from you, and
Speaker 4: therefore that compulsion to just finish it how quickly goes away.
Speaker 4: In fact, sometimes if I imagine myself going, oh, I want
Speaker 4: a second, I want seconds of dessert, I say to myself,
Speaker 4: you know what, you can always have more later. And
Speaker 4: I imagine myself taking a big piece of dessert, putting
Speaker 4: it into a taperway container and taking it home. And
Speaker 4: I'll do that if sometimes, and sometimes I won't. Sometimes,
Speaker 4: simply thinking it is enough to relax that part of
Speaker 4: my brain, that diet brain that goes, ah, we just
Speaker 4: got to finish it all.
Speaker 3: And eat as much as we can.
Speaker 4: Well we allow ourselves practice that, and I actually feel
Speaker 4: like it really helps helps you be consistent and with
Speaker 4: the enjoyment, the discomfort and the consistency, you're going to
Speaker 4: get there.
Speaker 3: It might take a little bit longer than you once
Speaker 3: but you're going.
Speaker 1: To get there. That part of your diet brain, it's
Speaker 1: almost you know, once you understand they're actually wired to
Speaker 1: eat more. We've been that's how we've evolved and survived
Speaker 1: as a species to have that part of our brain
Speaker 1: that I see food, I need to eat it because millions,
Speaker 1: for millions and millions of years, we never had food.
Speaker 1: So I think in some way it's surrendering to that,
Speaker 1: isn't it that This is of course what I'm going
Speaker 1: to think. But what can I you know, can I
Speaker 1: let's take that, take that as you said, Let's take
Speaker 1: it home later and we can eat it later.
Speaker 2: And that's okay. I mean, it's for me.
Speaker 1: It's also understanding what's actually going on in our brains
Speaker 1: and that that's how we're wired and that's how we're working.
Speaker 1: And and yeah, I find that for me helps in
Speaker 1: some way to stop eating the whole block of chocolate.
Speaker 3: Spot on.
Speaker 4: There's there's a mental talk going on. But it's kind
Speaker 4: of interesting how it's contrary to this idea of I'm
Speaker 4: not lad anymore, only one more piece, and how that
Speaker 4: can kind of actually surge us to drive for more food.
Speaker 4: And I tell you what we talked about at the
Speaker 4: beginning of this chat. Sleep is fundamental to how you eat,
Speaker 4: to regulating your hormones, particularly around appetite and fullness. Let
Speaker 4: me explain it. If you do not get enough energy
Speaker 4: through rest, your body will search for energy through food.
Speaker 4: So I know this is tricky. I'm going to be
Speaker 4: talking to parents and go I have a little kid.
Speaker 4: I just can't get the shut eye. For me. My
Speaker 4: goal this year is nailing sleep, prioritizing and getting to
Speaker 4: sleep earlier because of how effectively it can help you
Speaker 4: regulate your hormones and be a little.
Speaker 3: Bit more able to do that to feel in control
Speaker 3: around food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the control. I mean, it's amazing the impact
Speaker 1: of a bad night's sleep on your hunger levels, isn't
Speaker 1: it When you're just like, oh, I just need to
Speaker 1: eat and you know that you don't need to eat
Speaker 1: because you've just finished lunch.
Speaker 2: Yes it lunch, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about one other that I know blew your mind,
Speaker 1: and it was around healthy eating being one of the
Speaker 1: biggest areas of cutbacks or compromise due to the cost
Speaker 1: of living.
Speaker 2: Talk to us about this.
Speaker 4: Gosh, isn't it a crazy one? So I think it
Speaker 4: cost of living, no joke. It's really impacting all of us.
Speaker 4: It is having a tremendous impact on our lives, on
Speaker 4: how we're living. And one of the things we can
Speaker 4: change is what we're eating at the grocery store. And
Speaker 4: I think what's happening is we're going, oh, we need
Speaker 4: to all just go budget. And what I don't think
Speaker 4: people realize is actually healthy eating can be done budget.
Speaker 4: In fact, it often can be cheaper. You just got
Speaker 4: to know how to do it in a way that's
Speaker 4: that's smart and that makes your life easier. So one
Speaker 4: really simple thing is reducing food waste. So a you
Speaker 4: think it's a quarter of ossies, the food and your
Speaker 4: fridge is going to go to waste, and that is
Speaker 4: a quarter of your grocery bow That could be hundreds
Speaker 4: of dollars in a month, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of money.
Speaker 3: That's huge.
Speaker 2: Kids in Harley household.
Speaker 4: Spot on, And it's simply by eating the food in
Speaker 4: your fridge, And that could be a really tricky one,
Speaker 4: and maybe it means you shop a little bit more,
Speaker 4: or you get online delivery and it's twice a week
Speaker 4: as opposed to just once a week. That kind of
Speaker 4: thing can be done. But streamlining your life so that
Speaker 4: your kid's actually going to eat your meals, I mean
Speaker 4: easier than they're done. I have a little hack for you,
Speaker 4: and I'm we jump into this because I think this
Speaker 4: saves you a lot of money. One of my pet
Speaker 4: peeves is when my kids don't eat a meal that
Speaker 4: I've put in front of them and I've spent so
Speaker 4: much time cooking and they say I'm not hungry, only
Speaker 4: for an hour later to tell me they want a
Speaker 4: million snacks. So a trick I found really effective for
Speaker 4: any parent listening is as soon as they get home
Speaker 4: from school, that's when I would love you to feed
Speaker 4: them their most nutritious meal of the day, ideally their dinner,
Speaker 4: so that when they are most hungry, they're going to
Speaker 4: be most likely to eat that food and you're going
Speaker 4: to find far less waste, far less fighting over meal times.
Speaker 4: And then after dinner, if you're going, oh, I'm still hungry,
Speaker 4: you can have a few of those snacks because those
Speaker 4: single served snacks that kids love to eat are incredibly costly.
Speaker 4: You're going to save lots of money by doing that.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing I think is that idea
Speaker 4: of cooking once and eating twice. So I find, especially
Speaker 4: if I'm a sleep deprived parent and I come home
Speaker 4: there's no food in my fridge, I will rate the
Speaker 4: pantry for anything. So having a little bit of a
Speaker 4: meal prep option is really really handy for saving me money.
Speaker 4: It truly does, because I end up actually eating it
Speaker 4: and I don't eat that single serve kind of stuff
Speaker 4: and I need that for my lunch. So just kind
Speaker 4: of chopping up a whole bunch of veggies ahead of
Speaker 4: the week, they sit there together, and honestly, that's a lifesaver.
Speaker 1: Actually, the snack thing is a really good point because
Speaker 1: I think it's such an easy thing for all of it.
Speaker 1: It's like, whether you know, for our kids or for ourselves,
Speaker 1: just reach the snack. But they actually can be quite expensive,
Speaker 1: and you might buy the little packs of popcorn where
Speaker 1: the bigger one might be better, and you just feed
Speaker 1: it out over a couple of days. But we have
Speaker 1: this thing in our household when it's about four thirty
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, it's last court last night, like last
Speaker 1: call before dinner.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like the bars clothing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, right, last call for snag, no other snack's,
Speaker 1: kitchen's clothes until dinner.
Speaker 2: That's the language really love.
Speaker 1: So then my kids get into dinner and they're hungry
Speaker 1: because so many of this, and I have many times
Speaker 1: the kids have just snacked up until dinner and then
Speaker 1: they eat nothing. So now we have the last snack call.
Speaker 4: I'm stealing that. The other thing I've stolen is my
Speaker 4: sister in law. She's a GP, she's got four kids,
Speaker 4: and she taught me this. She said, while you're cooking dinner,
Speaker 4: if you get home you haven't got a dinner prepped
Speaker 4: and your kids are going, oh, really antsy for something,
Speaker 4: you quietly chop up some veggies.
Speaker 3: And you just put it in front of you.
Speaker 2: I like that one.
Speaker 4: You just let them quietly graze. They don't even know
Speaker 4: what's happening, and they eat it and then they're filled
Speaker 4: up on veggies before they even know it.
Speaker 3: It's a hack. It's great.
Speaker 1: We'll be back after this short break with more from Lindy.
Speaker 1: What are some other ways that we can save well,
Speaker 1: what should we how can we save money? And then
Speaker 1: where should we spend money when it comes to health.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon there's a lot of people spending a
Speaker 4: lot of money on what I think is honestly wellness wankery.
Speaker 4: It's the kind of superfood supplement where told that we
Speaker 4: need that's like one hundred dollars per kilogram, and you
Speaker 4: know what, it's just not key to being healthy. We
Speaker 4: know when we look at the research consistently, we see
Speaker 4: eat lots of fresh produce can be frozen, to veggies, fruits,
Speaker 4: whole grains, a mix of things, and I think, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes we waste a huge amount of our budget on
Speaker 4: those really top item things. Now, if you're saying to me,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty, I'm super healthy. Actually I've got everything sorted,
Speaker 4: I'm cooking, I'm eating all the produce. And you want
Speaker 4: to level up, and you want to go on add
Speaker 4: a little bit more, and you got the money to
Speaker 4: spend on those like fun fancy supplements, go for it.
Speaker 4: But I think sometimes we're missing the key building parts
Speaker 4: of a healthy diet and we're going straight for those shortcuts,
Speaker 4: and they're costing us a lot of money. We don't
Speaker 4: feel good and we're not winning the gates. That's what
Speaker 4: I would personally, I would save my money on that stuff.
Speaker 4: Most of my grocery bill goes to produce. In fact,
Speaker 4: I've started getting a veggie box, which is a rescued
Speaker 4: food so it's fifty dollars for a medium box. All
Speaker 4: my produce gets delivered. You know, it's seasonal, which means
Speaker 4: it's healthier. It gets me out of my food rut
Speaker 4: because I'm getting challenged to cook with foods I don't
Speaker 4: normally cook with and I'm saving a ton of money
Speaker 4: by doing this thing. But where I do spend my
Speaker 4: money is I do spend my money on my gym
Speaker 4: membership because it's the kind of gym where if I
Speaker 4: do not turn up, they're going to charge me. And
Speaker 4: you know what, it just really helps me be consistent.
Speaker 4: I'm turning up, I'm getting it done. And so sometimes
Speaker 4: you can kind of use that fear of losing your
Speaker 4: money to your benefit to help you be a little
Speaker 4: bit more consistent. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: And you're focusing something on something away from food that's
Speaker 1: going to still help your health.
Speaker 3: Yeah, give you the energy.
Speaker 4: It truly does help as well, it's amazing how exercise
Speaker 4: really helps to regulate your hunger as well. And I
Speaker 4: think one of the things I see is a super
Speaker 4: common issue. The most common issue is people aren't eating
Speaker 4: enough during the day, and they're coming home at night
Speaker 4: and they're ravenous and they're super hungry, and then you
Speaker 4: rate the pantry and you eat everything. So you need
Speaker 4: to give yourself commit to eat a little bit more
Speaker 4: during the day, and perhaps those snacks you're giving yourself.
Speaker 4: I remember when I was growing up, for you know,
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, the snacks that you're allowed, it's one hundred
Speaker 4: calories snacks, and I'm so hungry, and give me more.
Speaker 4: I find I like to think of it this way.
Speaker 4: If you're adding in two hundred calories helps you avoid
Speaker 4: one thousand calorie binge, you're going to save calories, you're
Speaker 4: going to save money and headspace, and it's just a
Speaker 4: smarter way to do it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The other way we can also well save money and
Speaker 1: help our health is by cutting back on booze. And
Speaker 1: you've joined up with the Lovely mas Compton, who have
Speaker 1: had on the podcast a few times to help people
Speaker 1: cut back on the booze. Tell Us about this new
Speaker 1: venture of yours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I've realized that, you know, I felt pregnant
Speaker 4: and I realized, oh my goodness, my anxiety has disappeared.
Speaker 4: I thought it was hormones. I you know, felt pregnant
Speaker 4: the second time, and that's when I thought, you know what,
Speaker 4: I think this has actually got to do with the
Speaker 4: fact that I've been drinking alcohol consistently throughout my adult life,
Speaker 4: and I have never gone through a significant period of
Speaker 4: time where I've just experimented with drinking less, with not
Speaker 4: drinking and seeing how it made me feel. I was
Speaker 4: a default drinker, the kind of person you go, you
Speaker 4: want a glass rose. I wouldn't take a pause, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't take a breath. Absolutely, I want a glass of rose.
Speaker 4: And I just found that I was default drinking consistently.
Speaker 4: And then when I stopped drinking alcohol and then I
Speaker 4: became a mindful drink, I realized my anxiety disappeared. I
Speaker 4: was sleeping so much better. I was saving so much money,
Speaker 4: you know, because there's the wine when you drink when
Speaker 4: you're out so expensive.
Speaker 3: You have to get an uber there I'm back. Oh
Speaker 3: my goodness.
Speaker 4: So it's the easiest way to save money and feel better.
Speaker 4: And I think this is what we've been told around
Speaker 4: drinking less, is that you have to cut it out completely.
Speaker 4: But I kind of think that having a healthier relationship
Speaker 4: with alcohol can mean we can learn how to if
Speaker 4: you want not drink, or become a mindful drinker, and
Speaker 4: learn how to unwind without booze, learn how to socialize
Speaker 4: without booze, and realize you don't have to be boring
Speaker 4: or be bored when you're not drinking. And so boos
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Speaker 4: have a healthier relationship with alcohol so that you don't
Speaker 4: feel like you're making bad decisions, so you don't regret
Speaker 4: the things you said when you had too much to drink.
Speaker 4: So you wake up on Sunday mornings and you go, oh,
Speaker 4: I feel so good. So if you've never experimented with it,
Speaker 4: I do say I think everyone should give it a go.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of at the point where I'm going, oh,
Speaker 4: I feel so good not drinking. I can't imagine integrating it.
Speaker 4: And I tell you what, I'm actually a party girl.
Speaker 2: So are you drinking now? No?
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: If it's a special thing and someone goes, oh, do
Speaker 4: you want a glass of wine, like I had my
Speaker 4: birthday dinner the other night.
Speaker 3: I think I had a glass of wine, Thank you
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 4: Was divine and I had a glass of wine and
Speaker 4: it wasn't a big deal. But then you know, I
Speaker 4: probably won't drink again for a while. It's there are
Speaker 4: no rules.
Speaker 3: It's fluid.
Speaker 4: I'm in control, and so it feels like a choice.
Speaker 4: And if you feel like alcohol doesn't feel like a
Speaker 4: choice anymore, it's just a default, then I reckon Booze
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Speaker 3: I think in the show notes we can leave it
Speaker 3: just gouged y.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will leave it a link to that in
Speaker 1: the show notes. But you're right, actually this is not
Speaker 1: a plug for WoT. But I wear a WOOT band
Speaker 1: and when I was in overseas recently in Canada, I
Speaker 1: drank a lot more than I normally, do you know, because.
Speaker 2: We're going out for dinner a lot, and I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I think a drink here and there is quite good,
Speaker 1: especially in social occasions, you know, healthy and a healthy
Speaker 1: approach I mean I only have one or two because
Speaker 1: also connection with people is you know, and it is
Speaker 1: around alcohol. I get that, and I get also why
Speaker 1: people don't drink. But anyway, I had a few more
Speaker 1: drinks in Canada than I would normally because I was
Speaker 1: on holidays, and it's amazing how much it affected my sleep.
Speaker 1: So the wort band tracks obviously how well you sleep
Speaker 1: and how will you bounce back? And it just read
Speaker 1: havoc on my sleep over there, So I think we probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably didn't appreciate how much alcohol does. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just sets you up. You're just getting that sluggish mindset
Speaker 1: for the next day and the next day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never feel your freshest.
Speaker 4: And I think we just got into this habit of oh,
Speaker 4: I've had really stross day, come home, open a glass
Speaker 4: of wine, open a bottle of wine, and then you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it's one or two. There's so many of us
Speaker 4: who just kind of like drinking to deal with life
Speaker 4: a little bit. And the tricky thing to realize is
Speaker 4: it's making life so much harder. And in a way
Speaker 4: we think of it as a coping strategy, but what
Speaker 4: if it's the thing that it's making you neique to cope,
Speaker 4: and you've got to get out of this funk and
Speaker 4: this feeling of I've just got to keep catching up.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, I've never been more on top
Speaker 4: of my life. I am a game. I don't forget
Speaker 4: things anymore. I used to be a little bit like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I was dropping balls anymore. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, how did I not try this sooner? I
Speaker 4: don't want to be preachy about it, but I think
Speaker 4: it's just a fun thing to try. I don't mind
Speaker 4: if anyone else drinks. I'm still a party girl. That's
Speaker 4: the thing you got to know about me. Like I love,
Speaker 4: I love to go dancing, I love a rave. I
Speaker 4: still do these things, and I've learned how to do
Speaker 4: it without drinking.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. You don't have to give up
Speaker 3: with your social life, please don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, that's still important for your mental health as well.
Speaker 1: But you give up drinking here and there and you'll
Speaker 1: save money too. Lindy, it was lovely to have you
Speaker 1: back on healthy. Thank you for joining us today. And
Speaker 1: well did we say Happy New Year in February? I
Speaker 1: don't know, have a great year, have a great one. Guys,
Speaker 1: get let's sleep everyone.
Speaker 2: Thank you about amen.
Speaker 1: I hope you can walk away with some actionable tips
Speaker 1: today on not only well how to lose weight the
Speaker 1: healthy waif that's your goal, but also how to save money. Actually,
Speaker 1: Lindy did say to me cook once, eat twice. She
Speaker 1: said that a while ago, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: a fabulous tip and I just wanted to yeah, share
Speaker 1: that one and hopefully inspire you're cooking for this week now.
Speaker 1: If you did like this chat, share with a friend,
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Speaker 1: Felicity Harley. Now, the outherly exciting thing we have well
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Speaker 1: Lindy talked about, is the Health of the Nation Challenge.
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Speaker 1: It's very exciting. You need to get involved. I will
Speaker 1: leave a link to that in the show notes. Anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks again for listening or of our print edition which
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Speaker 1: again for listening, and oh you know it.
Speaker 2: Stay healthy is