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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: Monday, November seventeenth, two thousand and eight, the house is locked,

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Speaker 2: the dogs still in his kennel, and sometime between one

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Speaker 2: and two pm, sixty nine year old Nicholas Salise is

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Speaker 2: seen driving east along Sheffield Main Road in Tasmania. That evening,

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Speaker 2: a tourists reports a man like Nikola asking for directions

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Speaker 2: to seven Mile Beach. Then nothing, no car, no further

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Speaker 2: sightings that could close the loop.

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Speaker 3: Police begin the.

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Speaker 2: Initial checks roads, dams, tracks, but days turn into weeks,

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Speaker 2: years and decades, and there's still no sign of Nicola

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Speaker 2: or his vehicle. In twenty twelve of the Krona rules,

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Speaker 2: Nicola likely died around the time he disappeared, but finds

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Speaker 2: no evidence of foul play, But the ruling doesn't answer

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Speaker 2: the only one question that matters, where is he? The

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Speaker 2: search shifts gears, the family keeps searching, crowdfunding, sonar sweeps,

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Speaker 2: divers and drones. July twenty twenty three, a diver locates

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Speaker 3: A diver from New South Wales recently traveling to Tasmania

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Speaker 3: using sonar equipment to scour rivers in the area. Hope spike.

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Speaker 2: Until a plate's confirm it belongs to another missing person.

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Speaker 2: A breakthrough for one family, more heartbreak for another.

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Speaker 1: His son is refusing to give up hope, hope.

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Speaker 2: Across the years, the Leeds continue. A call about a

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Speaker 2: man like Nikola at a shop in November of two

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Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Fresh searches follow and an anonymous tip

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Speaker 2: about Southport. The day vanished, but seventeen years on, his

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Speaker 2: son Jason says, if we find the car, we find dad.

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Speaker 3: It never goes away. If you have a missing person

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Speaker 3: in the family, it's always there.

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Speaker 2: That's the search for Nikola and seven simple words. Seventeen

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Speaker 2: years on, Nikola matters, well.

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Speaker 1: I'm here today talking.

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Speaker 4: Well we're not together, are we, Jase, Like you're down

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Speaker 4: in Tazzi and I'm up here in Brisbane.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for the opportunity on the missing matter, because I

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Speaker 4: wanted to put it out there to those of us

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Speaker 4: living the ambiguity of not knowing what's happened to our

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Speaker 4: missing life one and see if we can have a

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Speaker 4: chat in today's world and bring some awareness. In your case,

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Speaker 4: it's your dad, NICOLEA, it's Salise who went missing back

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, firstly, let me ask, how

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Speaker 4: are you good?

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Speaker 3: Dad? That's just finish Missing Person's Week, so busiest week

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Speaker 3: of the year pretty much. And it's good to still

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Speaker 3: have opportunities even though it's not Missing Person's Week anymore,

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Speaker 3: but like still to have the opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 3: that is always a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was going to talk about that because this year

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Speaker 4: the theme was Forever Loved and your dad actually featured,

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Speaker 4: didn't he He did.

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Speaker 3: We got the call and was asked, and here we're

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Speaker 3: more than happy to pretty much do any media. Any

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Speaker 3: media is good media, I think in this situation. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: we jumped at a chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Generally I think we're all grasping at straws. Aren't we

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Speaker 4: to get as much attention out there to hope that

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, can we start by you telling us a little

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Speaker 4: bit about your dad?

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Speaker 3: Well, I can go way back. He was born in Vasto,

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Speaker 3: which is in Italy in nineteen thirty nine. Young man

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Speaker 3: worked on the hydro Electric Commission in Tasmania, which was

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Speaker 3: he met Mum, got married, then myself and my brother

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Speaker 3: turned up. We were living in what they call hydro

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Speaker 4: I heard you talking to Lauren o'keith about that a

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Speaker 4: changed the house. He kept the house exactly as it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when it sort of became real for my

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Speaker 3: we're packing up for Dad and Mum's reading glasses still

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's that is sad.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, I've been obviously, I've been following your

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Speaker 4: that he was a wood maker or a wood turner.

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Speaker 3: He built himself a lave because he was very good

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Speaker 3: built himself a woodlave and he'd spend hours out in

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Speaker 3: But yeah, just anything he put his mind to, he

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Speaker 4: He's mentioned before, he retired to pretty much look after

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Speaker 4: your mum and take her to all her appointments and everything.

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Speaker 1: How was he when she passed away?

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Speaker 3: Hit him really really hard? He was lost. He did

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Speaker 3: finding that he enjoyed playing lawn bowls and he used

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing, but yeah, it's when Mum passed away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it knocked him around, and I wanted to ask,

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Speaker 4: who I know, Your brother, Nick has been right by

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Speaker 1: How's Nick going today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick's had a few issues too. He's second oldest,

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Speaker 3: medical issues. Nick really had to put a lot of

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he stepped away from looking for dad,

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Speaker 3: but he sort of had to sort of prioritize Zach.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear about that.

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Speaker 1: Things to deal with.

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Speaker 3: And like I said, Zack passed away in two thy eight, and.

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Speaker 4: So when your dad went missing in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 4: so ten years after that to deal with, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've had had a few issues, a few

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Speaker 4: So let's dive into the information that we can share

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Speaker 4: with the listeners about the day your dad went missing.

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Speaker 4: So he was last scene driving east on Sheffield Main

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Speaker 4: And later that evening a tourist reportedly saw someone matching

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Speaker 4: his description at Southport asking for directions to seven Mile Beach.

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Speaker 4: Now that was the last confirmed sighting. Can you walk

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Speaker 3: The last known confirmed sighting is just out of Sheffield

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Speaker 3: by a local mechanic who knew Dad, and then pretty

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Speaker 3: they're not people that actually know him. So we've had

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Speaker 3: a lot of sightings over the years and a lot

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Speaker 3: sort of mistaken identity is probably another couple as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, and I guess this, if the mechanic actually

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's sort of the last one we can

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Speaker 3: we've followed them up and we've conducted searchers because of

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Speaker 1: So that's a pretty big drive really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a long long way away from home.

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Speaker 4: I mean I was just down in Tazi myself and

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Speaker 4: I can sort of say that the roads weren't amazing really,

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Speaker 3: Once you're out from the city Hobart lawn system you

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Speaker 3: We were searching down Southport and we saw a lot

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of roads like that around Tazzy's.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to come back to dive a Dan

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Speaker 4: a little bit later because I want to talk to

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Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you did you know of any

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Speaker 4: particular plans that your dad had the day that he

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Speaker 3: Not the actual day did he went missing. It was

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Speaker 3: a Monday. It was well supposed to be just a

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Speaker 3: quiet day at home. We did find out that he

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Speaker 3: went into Sheffield to pay. I think it was for

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Speaker 3: basically it wasn't a bowls day, it wasn't training for balls.

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Speaker 3: It was basically a down day. So nothing was actually planned.

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Speaker 4: And so he was still able to drive himself to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was the thing. The week that Dad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that Nick, my brother, he I think it was

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Speaker 3: I basically just filled the car up full of petrol

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so we'd sort of told the sooner you

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Speaker 4: Like I believe that he actually had already started the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as I've said before, it's like someone dropping a

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Speaker 3: The first weekend, my dad went missing on the Monday,

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Speaker 4: I've heard that before too, where I mean, everyone thinks

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Speaker 3: And we were of the opinion that he'd possibly just

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Speaker 4: And you know, like it is trauma, trauma to think

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Speaker 4: And you know, hats off to you guys for never

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Speaker 4: So what's that four years after you went missing? Even

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Speaker 3: Personally, it didn't change how I felt about that being missing.

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Speaker 3: I don't need a piece of paper saying that he

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Speaker 4: Did it free up information like were you able to

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Speaker 3: Information. No, I've been fighting to get information for.

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Speaker 1: A long time and still today.

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Speaker 4: Pay it as many and police want to charge you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the information they have.

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Speaker 3: So this folder, we'll call it one, it got lost.

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Speaker 3: And well as a family member as dad's son.

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Speaker 3: Well my brother is power of attorney all that sort

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Speaker 3: Not really, only because I'm busy, just busy, just out

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Speaker 3: But that's it too, Like at the moment I'm focusing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, maybe I can talk to you about that

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Speaker 3: Well, we're in the first couple of days of that

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Speaker 3: for helicopters, so you can just imagine how we probably

440
00:26:52,041 --> 00:26:58,761
Speaker 3: were financially stable, and then we've been pretty much a

441
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,601
Speaker 3: day not being financially stable. It was a big undertaking,

442
00:27:04,001 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: a big expand it continues to be, but not at

443
00:27:08,321 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars an hour, thank goodness.

444
00:27:11,001 --> 00:27:14,001
Speaker 4: And so the police didn't offer to do any air

445
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,241
Speaker 4: searches or what did the police do in those early

446
00:27:17,521 --> 00:27:19,001
Speaker 4: days for searching to help you.

447
00:27:19,321 --> 00:27:24,481
Speaker 3: When we first and interaction with the police, I think

448
00:27:25,201 --> 00:27:29,561
Speaker 3: in the first seven days we had eight different people

449
00:27:29,561 --> 00:27:33,321
Speaker 3: in charge of the case, so we were jumping from

450
00:27:33,321 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: one person to the next.

451
00:27:35,481 --> 00:27:37,561
Speaker 1: In seven days, you had eight different police.

452
00:27:38,441 --> 00:27:42,801
Speaker 3: That wasn't easy. They did checks around the home, but

453
00:27:43,321 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: one of the well I think he was a sergeant

454
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: at the time, he basically said a member of the

455
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,161
Speaker 3: public will find him and then we'll come in and

456
00:27:51,201 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: we'll clean it up, was what they said up. And

457
00:27:55,961 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 3: because he'd gone missing with his car, they said someone

458
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: will find the car and then we'll do like a

459
00:28:02,961 --> 00:28:07,801
Speaker 3: grid search, like one kilometer from the car radius, then

460
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,481
Speaker 3: if he's not there five kilometers radius from the car,

461
00:28:12,041 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: ten until we find him.

462
00:28:14,441 --> 00:28:17,041
Speaker 4: And because you didn't find the car, they haven't done

463
00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: the searchers.

464
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:18,881
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.

465
00:28:19,521 --> 00:28:22,641
Speaker 3: So that's sort of really just didn't happen. There were

466
00:28:23,681 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I think there was a

467
00:28:26,041 --> 00:28:28,801
Speaker 3: day where they took the media up in the helicopter.

468
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,561
Speaker 3: The media took some photos and then they landed and

469
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,041
Speaker 3: I think they might have gone like twenty kilometers out

470
00:28:37,041 --> 00:28:39,321
Speaker 3: of Sheffield and back and that was just a search.

471
00:28:39,401 --> 00:28:44,281
Speaker 3: And it hasn't been ideal. Yeah, And I think a

472
00:28:44,321 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: lot of people think that when a person goes missing,

473
00:28:47,881 --> 00:28:53,801
Speaker 3: there's all these resources that you're able to access, and

474
00:28:53,881 --> 00:28:56,761
Speaker 3: it's just not the case. We did have police reach

475
00:28:56,841 --> 00:29:00,281
Speaker 3: out and but we pretty much fell to alone. We

476
00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:04,761
Speaker 3: felt like we were doing it. And one of my

477
00:29:05,121 --> 00:29:08,081
Speaker 3: I was saying was if you want to do it

478
00:29:08,161 --> 00:29:12,081
Speaker 3: and know that it's been done, do it yourself. Don't

479
00:29:12,361 --> 00:29:17,081
Speaker 3: think that someone's done it for you. So we very

480
00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:20,761
Speaker 3: much felt like we were doing it ourselves. We didn't

481
00:29:20,801 --> 00:29:22,001
Speaker 3: feel like we were supported.

482
00:29:22,921 --> 00:29:26,561
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. Sadly we're not alone, but.

483
00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:30,041
Speaker 3: Pretty bad stories it.

484
00:29:30,481 --> 00:29:32,521
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little diabolic or really when you think

485
00:29:32,521 --> 00:29:34,681
Speaker 4: about it, and we keep talking about it with other

486
00:29:34,721 --> 00:29:38,721
Speaker 4: people and well that's the same story on repeat.

487
00:29:38,601 --> 00:29:42,441
Speaker 3: The missing person community. We all like to support each other,

488
00:29:42,521 --> 00:29:47,001
Speaker 3: but it's a common talking point. The lack of resource

489
00:29:47,761 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: and help would be the simple way of putting it.

490
00:29:52,441 --> 00:29:56,081
Speaker 4: And hopefully, I mean, I don't know about you, but

491
00:29:56,201 --> 00:29:58,601
Speaker 4: I feel like I have seen a lot more traction

492
00:29:58,761 --> 00:30:03,201
Speaker 4: and a lot more movement in not so much from authorities,

493
00:30:03,441 --> 00:30:06,721
Speaker 4: but more so from communities coming in and helping the

494
00:30:06,841 --> 00:30:09,401
Speaker 4: likes of you and me who have missing persons, and

495
00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:13,121
Speaker 4: the stronger we come in and the louder our voice is.

496
00:30:13,201 --> 00:30:15,601
Speaker 4: My theory is we will be heard. And I am

497
00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:17,121
Speaker 4: seeing a little bit of a change.

498
00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:18,521
Speaker 3: It's definitely changed.

499
00:30:18,641 --> 00:30:20,521
Speaker 4: Now. Yeah, so what are you like this year? This

500
00:30:20,641 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: November will be seventeen years since your dad we're missing.

501
00:30:24,241 --> 00:30:27,081
Speaker 4: It's a long time, but it has changed a little bit,

502
00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:28,921
Speaker 4: and we've got to look at the positives.

503
00:30:28,921 --> 00:30:31,521
Speaker 3: A lot of the change is, like you said, it's

504
00:30:31,521 --> 00:30:38,801
Speaker 3: not from official missing persons units or they are like

505
00:30:38,921 --> 00:30:42,321
Speaker 3: even they're changing, but the majority.

506
00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:44,441
Speaker 1: Of it is just community based.

507
00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:48,321
Speaker 3: Community based people that are just getting in and having

508
00:30:48,361 --> 00:30:50,121
Speaker 3: a go and helping, rolling up.

509
00:30:50,081 --> 00:30:52,041
Speaker 4: Their sleeves and saying what can I do? What can

510
00:30:52,081 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: I offer to help? And so many people have so

511
00:30:54,481 --> 00:30:55,921
Speaker 4: many different skill sets, don't.

512
00:30:55,721 --> 00:31:00,721
Speaker 3: They So well, that's where like we're using sonar and drones, like,

513
00:31:01,601 --> 00:31:05,681
Speaker 3: there's definitely a skill set there that we're taking ad

514
00:31:05,681 --> 00:31:06,481
Speaker 3: the any job.

515
00:31:06,801 --> 00:31:08,881
Speaker 4: And you've had, like I've watched all your videos as

516
00:31:08,921 --> 00:31:11,401
Speaker 4: you were doing it. I was so I just wanted

517
00:31:11,441 --> 00:31:14,081
Speaker 4: to be there with you and go through what you

518
00:31:14,121 --> 00:31:16,801
Speaker 4: were doing because it was raining and the boys are

519
00:31:16,801 --> 00:31:20,481
Speaker 4: in with their diving gear trying to literally find cars

520
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 4: or adding evidence of cars in bodies of water, and

521
00:31:25,321 --> 00:31:28,561
Speaker 4: you talked about doing the bush searchers as well, but

522
00:31:28,841 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: I wanted to.

523
00:31:30,361 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: There was a pretty big moment.

524
00:31:32,681 --> 00:31:34,681
Speaker 4: I don't know how the best way to describe it,

525
00:31:34,721 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: but in July twenty twenty three, while the diving expedition

526
00:31:40,321 --> 00:31:44,641
Speaker 4: was happening, the boys actually found a car and a

527
00:31:44,681 --> 00:31:49,601
Speaker 4: registration plate and that in fact actually belonged to another

528
00:31:49,721 --> 00:31:53,401
Speaker 4: missing person, Dale Nicholson, who'd been missing since twenty sixteen.

529
00:31:54,481 --> 00:31:57,601
Speaker 4: After six years of searching, not knowing what happened to

530
00:31:57,641 --> 00:32:01,561
Speaker 4: their missing brother, finally, Dale Nicholson's three sisters and their

531
00:32:01,601 --> 00:32:03,561
Speaker 4: families have answers.

532
00:32:03,521 --> 00:32:07,521
Speaker 3: We're able to confirm normally that it was the vehicle

533
00:32:07,521 --> 00:32:10,841
Speaker 3: that we're looking for, but also that Delle was in

534
00:32:10,881 --> 00:32:11,281
Speaker 3: the vehicle.

535
00:32:11,321 --> 00:32:14,641
Speaker 1: Still tell us how that felt for you.

536
00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:21,321
Speaker 3: Well, earlier we were doing a search and we weren't

537
00:32:21,361 --> 00:32:26,161
Speaker 3: having a lot of luck. We sort of wanted to regroup,

538
00:32:26,481 --> 00:32:28,881
Speaker 3: have a bit of a think about what we know

539
00:32:29,441 --> 00:32:33,601
Speaker 3: where next. Is there somewhere we need to go back

540
00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:39,601
Speaker 3: to and search again because technology changes, especially with sonar.

541
00:32:40,281 --> 00:32:46,721
Speaker 3: When we first checked places, sonar was very capable, but

542
00:32:46,761 --> 00:32:50,281
Speaker 3: then technology evolves and it gets better, and then if

543
00:32:50,321 --> 00:32:53,841
Speaker 3: there's anywhere that we thought that could have been a

544
00:32:53,881 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: place that needed double checking, that's what we did. So

545
00:32:57,961 --> 00:33:03,161
Speaker 3: that night I'd gone home to basically put a map

546
00:33:03,201 --> 00:33:06,841
Speaker 3: together of what was going to happen for the next

547
00:33:06,921 --> 00:33:10,481
Speaker 3: I think three days, four days, and anywhere we're sort

548
00:33:10,521 --> 00:33:14,361
Speaker 3: of going to go back to. So diver Dan and

549
00:33:14,481 --> 00:33:18,761
Speaker 3: Bill decided that they'd start heading back towards Hobart were

550
00:33:18,801 --> 00:33:23,161
Speaker 3: heading back down to Southport. So while they were heading

551
00:33:23,241 --> 00:33:28,401
Speaker 3: back to Hobart, they said, well, New Norfolk, the river

552
00:33:28,481 --> 00:33:33,121
Speaker 3: that goes through New Norfolk is very deep, and while

553
00:33:33,121 --> 00:33:38,761
Speaker 3: we're here, let's check so diver Dan and Bill rechecked

554
00:33:39,481 --> 00:33:46,161
Speaker 3: and came across Dale Nicholson's car, which was fantastic. The

555
00:33:46,241 --> 00:33:51,641
Speaker 3: Nicholson family very grateful, and we'd had dealings with them

556
00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:54,681
Speaker 3: before because we bumped into a few of their family

557
00:33:54,721 --> 00:33:59,121
Speaker 3: members earlier on months before, probably about twelve months before

558
00:33:59,281 --> 00:34:02,481
Speaker 3: they actually came to where we were searching. Say, diver

559
00:34:02,601 --> 00:34:05,401
Speaker 3: Dan and Bill found Dale, so we already knew, but

560
00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:10,001
Speaker 3: we knew that we had the capability were we found Dale,

561
00:34:10,321 --> 00:34:12,161
Speaker 3: thought they Foundale.

562
00:34:11,521 --> 00:34:13,761
Speaker 1: And what you're doing, you're on the right path.

563
00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:18,041
Speaker 3: I mean, it was basically proven that's a good way

564
00:34:18,041 --> 00:34:21,121
Speaker 3: to go. And with the amount of cars that we've

565
00:34:21,201 --> 00:34:23,961
Speaker 3: found over the last four years.

566
00:34:24,041 --> 00:34:25,561
Speaker 1: How many do you reckon you found?

567
00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:31,161
Speaker 3: I've never really sat down and counted, but I'm guessing

568
00:34:31,601 --> 00:34:34,201
Speaker 3: it'd have to be a good couple of dozen. And

569
00:34:34,961 --> 00:34:38,361
Speaker 3: it's something we'd like to do once we get the result.

570
00:34:38,641 --> 00:34:43,241
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well done to you and your push for

571
00:34:43,521 --> 00:34:47,401
Speaker 4: finding your dad, which has essentially helped find Dale as

572
00:34:47,401 --> 00:34:50,761
Speaker 4: well and brought him home to his family. So, you know,

573
00:34:50,801 --> 00:34:52,441
Speaker 4: I don't even know what the right words are, but

574
00:34:52,601 --> 00:34:53,441
Speaker 4: good on you.

575
00:34:53,441 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: You know you've given that family some.

576
00:34:54,961 --> 00:34:58,401
Speaker 4: Peace and you know, that's that's a really massive thing

577
00:34:58,721 --> 00:35:03,241
Speaker 4: in this space, So well done. I've got here that

578
00:35:03,361 --> 00:35:05,281
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, received a call of out of

579
00:35:05,321 --> 00:35:09,481
Speaker 4: signing in two thousand and eight at the tip shop

580
00:35:09,681 --> 00:35:10,361
Speaker 4: in Margate.

581
00:35:11,001 --> 00:35:12,281
Speaker 1: That prompted a new search.

582
00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:16,161
Speaker 3: The Margate tip shop. I received a number to call

583
00:35:16,841 --> 00:35:19,761
Speaker 3: and the guy just wanted to stay anonymous pretty much.

584
00:35:20,001 --> 00:35:24,441
Speaker 3: He says that he knew Dad had met him in Bernie,

585
00:35:24,481 --> 00:35:27,401
Speaker 3: which is up on the northwest coast, but Margate is

586
00:35:27,561 --> 00:35:32,241
Speaker 3: like about forty minutes south of Hobart, so bumped into

587
00:35:32,281 --> 00:35:35,961
Speaker 3: him down at Margate. We investigated at the time when

588
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:40,481
Speaker 3: Dad went missing, Margate tip shop didn't have CCTV, so

589
00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:44,401
Speaker 3: we had no CCTV to chase up on this guy.

590
00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:48,441
Speaker 4: Has you've got information about this in twenty twenty three

591
00:35:48,681 --> 00:35:51,361
Speaker 4: and he's saying that he remembers and seeing your dad

592
00:35:51,761 --> 00:35:54,561
Speaker 4: back at this tip shop on the nineteenth of November

593
00:35:54,681 --> 00:35:55,601
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight.

594
00:35:56,401 --> 00:35:58,401
Speaker 1: Did that prompt you to do a new search, like

595
00:35:58,521 --> 00:35:59,521
Speaker 1: or were you just.

596
00:35:59,601 --> 00:36:03,361
Speaker 3: Because there's the Southport siding, which is just a little

597
00:36:03,361 --> 00:36:08,281
Speaker 3: bit further south of Gate. Our searchers we're going from

598
00:36:08,361 --> 00:36:11,201
Speaker 3: Southport heading towards Hobart, so we were going to be

599
00:36:11,521 --> 00:36:16,201
Speaker 3: going past Margate anyway, so we had that penciled in

600
00:36:16,761 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: for future searchers. So we were sort of heading north

601
00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:23,161
Speaker 3: towards Hobart, So when we got this information, we knew

602
00:36:23,201 --> 00:36:25,761
Speaker 3: that that was part of our next search anyway. So

603
00:36:26,121 --> 00:36:28,721
Speaker 3: with the information or without the information, we were going

604
00:36:28,761 --> 00:36:31,281
Speaker 3: to be there anyway, so we just followed it up.

605
00:36:33,841 --> 00:36:37,561
Speaker 3: Diver Dan went down to Margate and talked to the

606
00:36:37,601 --> 00:36:43,001
Speaker 3: people in the tip shop and the lady didn't remember him,

607
00:36:43,041 --> 00:36:46,681
Speaker 3: but the lady that possibly could have had passed away,

608
00:36:46,881 --> 00:36:50,801
Speaker 3: so sort of had a lead, but not.

609
00:36:51,281 --> 00:36:55,801
Speaker 4: Hard to follow up, especially so long down the track

610
00:36:55,841 --> 00:36:58,641
Speaker 4: too for somebody to come into the mix.

611
00:36:58,961 --> 00:37:02,681
Speaker 3: So we did sonar because it's right near the water Margate,

612
00:37:02,801 --> 00:37:07,241
Speaker 3: so we did sonar searching there as well and basically

613
00:37:07,441 --> 00:37:09,761
Speaker 3: cleared the waterways just to give us a bit of

614
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:12,121
Speaker 3: peace of mind as well, just in case you'd taken

615
00:37:12,121 --> 00:37:12,841
Speaker 3: a wrong turn.

616
00:37:14,521 --> 00:37:16,561
Speaker 4: And so for people who are listening who don't live

617
00:37:16,601 --> 00:37:20,681
Speaker 4: in Tazzy and don't really understand the landscape, why are

618
00:37:20,761 --> 00:37:23,801
Speaker 4: you searching bodies of water if your dad's driving, Because

619
00:37:23,841 --> 00:37:27,361
Speaker 4: I know you've talked about how close the water can

620
00:37:27,401 --> 00:37:30,041
Speaker 4: be to the road at points in the road, So

621
00:37:31,121 --> 00:37:33,801
Speaker 4: tell everybody a little bit of a visual on why

622
00:37:33,841 --> 00:37:34,521
Speaker 4: that's important.

623
00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:38,401
Speaker 3: Well, we got a couple of couple of reasons why

624
00:37:38,641 --> 00:37:44,041
Speaker 3: Dad worked for Hydroelectric Commission, So basically power station substations,

625
00:37:44,321 --> 00:37:48,601
Speaker 3: lakes rivers, dams, a lot of dams. Dad basically worked

626
00:37:48,601 --> 00:37:51,641
Speaker 3: at all of them in like a thirty six year period.

627
00:37:53,561 --> 00:37:57,761
Speaker 3: And because of the dementia diagnosis, what we've been told

628
00:37:57,921 --> 00:38:01,841
Speaker 3: is that there's a possibility that they can return to

629
00:38:02,641 --> 00:38:04,921
Speaker 3: places from years ago.

630
00:38:05,561 --> 00:38:08,721
Speaker 4: Yeah, they tend to lose their immediate memory. I know,

631
00:38:09,121 --> 00:38:11,761
Speaker 4: even with my dad, he keeps drawing back to when

632
00:38:11,761 --> 00:38:14,601
Speaker 4: he was a boy and where he lived in Charles Street,

633
00:38:14,681 --> 00:38:16,921
Speaker 4: which he has not lived at for a very long time,

634
00:38:17,001 --> 00:38:18,721
Speaker 4: So I understand that.

635
00:38:19,161 --> 00:38:24,401
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've sort of taken that information and just

636
00:38:25,081 --> 00:38:29,721
Speaker 3: through information that we've received from people doing sonar searchers.

637
00:38:31,121 --> 00:38:35,401
Speaker 3: People with dementchu fe drive down a road and let's

638
00:38:35,761 --> 00:38:39,721
Speaker 3: say a boat ramp. They don't have the capacity to

639
00:38:40,521 --> 00:38:44,681
Speaker 3: like reverse a car safely. Like what I've been told

640
00:38:44,841 --> 00:38:49,761
Speaker 3: is they try to just keep going forward and try

641
00:38:49,801 --> 00:38:53,801
Speaker 3: to negotiate their way out of a situation, and usually

642
00:38:53,841 --> 00:38:58,041
Speaker 3: that doesn't end well. So a lot of sonar searches

643
00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:02,481
Speaker 3: of people that had dementia, especially like I'm sort of

644
00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:06,401
Speaker 3: focusing on stuff that's come out of the stuff. People

645
00:39:06,401 --> 00:39:10,241
Speaker 3: woul dementia if they get on anywhere near water, depending

646
00:39:10,841 --> 00:39:13,401
Speaker 3: well how they're feeling at the time, sometimes they just

647
00:39:13,441 --> 00:39:18,081
Speaker 3: can't negotiate safely away from the water. So Dad working

648
00:39:18,161 --> 00:39:23,161
Speaker 3: near water most of his working life and dementia diagnosis,

649
00:39:23,281 --> 00:39:26,481
Speaker 3: we're sort of that's how we sort of come to

650
00:39:27,841 --> 00:39:32,201
Speaker 3: concentrating on the sonar. And also we just haven't found

651
00:39:32,241 --> 00:39:33,121
Speaker 3: the car on land.

652
00:39:33,681 --> 00:39:35,801
Speaker 4: And that's the baffling bit, isn't it. Like I think

653
00:39:35,881 --> 00:39:39,001
Speaker 4: if you stop and think about the situation, your dad's

654
00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:42,921
Speaker 4: gone for a drive and today still we don't know

655
00:39:42,961 --> 00:39:45,801
Speaker 4: where his car is. So it has to be somewhere.

656
00:39:46,481 --> 00:39:48,721
Speaker 3: And I've always said the car holds a key. If

657
00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:51,201
Speaker 3: we find the car, I'm guessing we're going to go

658
00:39:51,281 --> 00:39:54,081
Speaker 3: a long way to finding that if he's not actually

659
00:39:54,081 --> 00:39:56,761
Speaker 3: in the car, it's a very important key is to

660
00:39:56,801 --> 00:39:57,601
Speaker 3: find that car.

661
00:39:58,161 --> 00:40:00,881
Speaker 4: And so you've done a bit of drone work as well,

662
00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:04,441
Speaker 4: just another skill set that you're learning in this journey, right.

663
00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:08,841
Speaker 3: And another thing over the nearly seventeen years, this technology

664
00:40:08,961 --> 00:40:12,761
Speaker 3: wasn't even available. So now we've got Daniel from working

665
00:40:12,881 --> 00:40:17,481
Speaker 3: drones Australia. He's offered his time and his equipment and

666
00:40:17,521 --> 00:40:20,401
Speaker 3: his knowledge. He's trying to help a lot of families,

667
00:40:20,641 --> 00:40:24,561
Speaker 3: so he's hopefully coming back down later in the year

668
00:40:24,601 --> 00:40:27,921
Speaker 3: down here to help to try and find Dad. But

669
00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: he's also the last time he was here, he went

670
00:40:31,561 --> 00:40:36,041
Speaker 3: down to Warreta to try and find Selene, who's the

671
00:40:36,081 --> 00:40:38,841
Speaker 3: Belgium tourist that went missing down here.

672
00:40:38,881 --> 00:40:40,761
Speaker 1: So he's doing good things.

673
00:40:40,561 --> 00:40:43,001
Speaker 3: Is a yeah, he's doing fantastic.

674
00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:46,601
Speaker 4: Things, so amazing. And the guy in my missing person's case,

675
00:40:47,241 --> 00:40:50,841
Speaker 4: I don't have that searchability because I don't know mum

676
00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:54,241
Speaker 4: went left the country and supposedly came back in, So

677
00:40:54,801 --> 00:40:58,401
Speaker 4: I haven't got that similarity with say your case or

678
00:40:59,121 --> 00:41:03,041
Speaker 4: a lot of other cases that involve potentially drone searching.

679
00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:06,521
Speaker 4: But we did do a dog surch form with some

680
00:41:06,601 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: coordinates that were actually given to crime stoppers last year,

681
00:41:11,241 --> 00:41:13,281
Speaker 4: which we actually did a whole episode on that in

682
00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:17,281
Speaker 4: the Missing Matter podcast. And I was fascinated to see

683
00:41:17,281 --> 00:41:19,721
Speaker 4: the drone go up and just hear it beeping, and

684
00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:23,801
Speaker 4: you know that that's capturing all of those images and

685
00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:28,521
Speaker 4: having all of that information come back to the families

686
00:41:28,521 --> 00:41:31,201
Speaker 4: and being able to have a look at the pictures

687
00:41:31,241 --> 00:41:32,841
Speaker 4: and see what you can pull out of it. It's

688
00:41:33,001 --> 00:41:35,281
Speaker 4: it's quite an important tool.

689
00:41:35,761 --> 00:41:39,441
Speaker 3: We feel grateful that these people like Daniel from Working

690
00:41:39,521 --> 00:41:45,401
Speaker 3: Drones Australia and Diver Dan come to Tazzy because they're

691
00:41:45,441 --> 00:41:50,881
Speaker 3: not locals. Diver Dan's from Sydney and Daniel from Working

692
00:41:50,961 --> 00:41:55,001
Speaker 3: Drones Australia is from Canberra, so okay. And then they're

693
00:41:55,041 --> 00:41:57,721
Speaker 3: bringing all their equipment, so that means coming over on

694
00:41:57,801 --> 00:42:02,401
Speaker 3: the spirit of Tasmania, which is definitely not a cheap exercise,

695
00:42:02,921 --> 00:42:05,481
Speaker 3: and that's sort of what we try and a bit

696
00:42:05,521 --> 00:42:10,601
Speaker 3: of money if it pays for transport new gear. We've

697
00:42:10,641 --> 00:42:14,041
Speaker 3: had instances where diver down, Cone down and we found

698
00:42:14,041 --> 00:42:17,001
Speaker 3: the car, but the water was five degrees and he

699
00:42:17,041 --> 00:42:20,201
Speaker 3: couldn't just do it in a wetsuit, so we had

700
00:42:20,201 --> 00:42:23,081
Speaker 3: to organize to get him what they call a dry suit,

701
00:42:23,241 --> 00:42:25,761
Speaker 3: a couple of thousand dollars just just so we could

702
00:42:25,761 --> 00:42:29,121
Speaker 3: dive a car. We're very grateful that we're being able

703
00:42:29,201 --> 00:42:33,441
Speaker 3: to use their knowledge and their equipment to keep searching.

704
00:42:34,401 --> 00:42:36,801
Speaker 4: So I want to ask you, and this might be

705
00:42:36,881 --> 00:42:40,441
Speaker 4: a question that some people get upset about, but you know,

706
00:42:40,441 --> 00:42:42,721
Speaker 4: I just wanted to ask, you know, what was when

707
00:42:42,801 --> 00:42:46,761
Speaker 4: was the last time that you heard from the police?

708
00:42:47,041 --> 00:42:48,721
Speaker 1: Are your Dad's case?

709
00:42:50,601 --> 00:42:53,561
Speaker 4: I've got a big smile on his face of no,

710
00:42:54,841 --> 00:42:58,761
Speaker 4: sorry to ask. I'm just curious because it varies so much,

711
00:42:58,841 --> 00:43:01,761
Speaker 4: and you know, I think it's important for people listening

712
00:43:01,801 --> 00:43:05,601
Speaker 4: to understand when you're living with that ambiguous loss and

713
00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:08,441
Speaker 4: the stress of trying to do it yourself, it's important

714
00:43:08,441 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: to know those people that hold the case file where

715
00:43:12,961 --> 00:43:15,681
Speaker 4: you're at, and you know, are they just checking in.

716
00:43:16,881 --> 00:43:20,921
Speaker 3: Because Dad's case was highlighted Missing Person's work this year,

717
00:43:21,361 --> 00:43:24,001
Speaker 3: they reached out to ask if I was happy for

718
00:43:24,081 --> 00:43:26,521
Speaker 3: Dad's case to be one of the one's featured. So

719
00:43:27,201 --> 00:43:31,201
Speaker 3: that was over the phone. That face to face has

720
00:43:31,241 --> 00:43:34,081
Speaker 3: been a little while. I had been trying to get

721
00:43:34,201 --> 00:43:36,201
Speaker 3: a little bit of information because I was finding it

722
00:43:36,241 --> 00:43:40,281
Speaker 3: hard if I went to businesses to ask questions, and

723
00:43:40,321 --> 00:43:42,841
Speaker 3: the question that I've been sort of asking ever since

724
00:43:42,921 --> 00:43:46,481
Speaker 3: Dad sort of went missing, because we think the Monday

725
00:43:46,521 --> 00:43:49,841
Speaker 3: that Dad went missing, there was nothing on his timetable

726
00:43:50,081 --> 00:43:55,201
Speaker 3: to go anywhere or do anything. The only other thing

727
00:43:55,241 --> 00:43:59,841
Speaker 3: he used to do quite regularly was drive to Lonceston,

728
00:43:59,961 --> 00:44:03,721
Speaker 3: which is about an hour away. He go to the

729
00:44:03,761 --> 00:44:07,561
Speaker 3: Toyota dealer there to get his car serviced and then

730
00:44:07,641 --> 00:44:10,481
Speaker 3: walk up the road to the cemetery because Mum was

731
00:44:10,521 --> 00:44:13,441
Speaker 3: buried in laun System, so he booked his car in,

732
00:44:13,721 --> 00:44:16,681
Speaker 3: walk up the road, spend the afternoon with Mom up

733
00:44:16,681 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: at the grave, walk back down, then drive home. All

734
00:44:20,481 --> 00:44:24,121
Speaker 3: I want to know is did he have his car

735
00:44:24,441 --> 00:44:27,681
Speaker 3: in to be service that day? Like that could just

736
00:44:27,761 --> 00:44:32,561
Speaker 3: say he was heading to laun System. Like when Dad

737
00:44:32,601 --> 00:44:35,641
Speaker 3: first went missing. I went to the Toyota dealership and

738
00:44:35,961 --> 00:44:38,721
Speaker 3: asked the question, and they wouldn't give me the information

739
00:44:40,201 --> 00:44:44,481
Speaker 3: only because I wasn't that like they weren't, And.

740
00:44:44,441 --> 00:44:46,561
Speaker 4: I said, well, the privacy issue is massive, isn't it?

741
00:44:46,601 --> 00:44:48,881
Speaker 4: Like fast living in this space, We're trying to find

742
00:44:48,881 --> 00:44:51,361
Speaker 4: someone and they're saying, sorry, we can't tell you because

743
00:44:51,441 --> 00:44:52,481
Speaker 4: their privacy matters.

744
00:44:53,641 --> 00:44:57,521
Speaker 3: So to this day, every opportunity I get, police will

745
00:44:57,561 --> 00:45:00,481
Speaker 3: ask is there anything we can do? I asked that question.

746
00:45:00,961 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: Go to Toyota, find out if he had his car

747
00:45:06,041 --> 00:45:06,841
Speaker 3: booked in for a.

748
00:45:06,841 --> 00:45:10,081
Speaker 1: Service that even just booked in, like he might not

749
00:45:10,121 --> 00:45:10,481
Speaker 1: have made it.

750
00:45:10,561 --> 00:45:13,921
Speaker 3: Then he might not have made it, but gives us

751
00:45:13,921 --> 00:45:17,121
Speaker 3: a bit of an idea. He could have been heading

752
00:45:17,281 --> 00:45:17,681
Speaker 3: in that.

753
00:45:17,641 --> 00:45:21,321
Speaker 4: Direction and it's the same Toyota dealership today.

754
00:45:21,801 --> 00:45:21,881
Speaker 3: Ye.

755
00:45:22,721 --> 00:45:27,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, records should be there, even if two and eight

756
00:45:27,241 --> 00:45:28,521
Speaker 4: you have to think it was all digital.

757
00:45:29,161 --> 00:45:32,281
Speaker 3: Just a simple question like that, I have not received

758
00:45:32,961 --> 00:45:33,721
Speaker 3: an answer to.

759
00:45:34,081 --> 00:45:35,881
Speaker 1: What do they tell you when you asked.

760
00:45:35,561 --> 00:45:38,281
Speaker 3: Well, they tell me that they're going to find out

761
00:45:38,321 --> 00:45:43,561
Speaker 3: and let me know. But still nothing. I was going

762
00:45:43,601 --> 00:45:45,841
Speaker 3: to say, still waiting. I'm not sure. I am waiting.

763
00:45:47,641 --> 00:45:51,161
Speaker 4: Definitely, I'm eager to help you do a freedom of

764
00:45:51,201 --> 00:45:53,121
Speaker 4: information and see if we can find that, because you

765
00:45:53,121 --> 00:45:55,321
Speaker 4: could probably even put that into Toyota as well and

766
00:45:55,401 --> 00:45:57,001
Speaker 4: ask for the records on behind.

767
00:45:57,041 --> 00:46:00,641
Speaker 3: And I understand the police are busy and they are

768
00:46:00,761 --> 00:46:05,561
Speaker 3: under resourced, and in a perfect world they help everyone

769
00:46:06,481 --> 00:46:10,721
Speaker 3: whatever your circumstance was, but it's just not the case.

770
00:46:11,161 --> 00:46:14,241
Speaker 3: We found that out very quickly that that wasn't the case,

771
00:46:14,601 --> 00:46:18,041
Speaker 3: and that's why we do what we do now, Like

772
00:46:18,121 --> 00:46:22,641
Speaker 3: we conduct the searchers, we organize searchers, we try and

773
00:46:22,761 --> 00:46:26,841
Speaker 3: organize funding because we know that sad to say that

774
00:46:26,921 --> 00:46:32,121
Speaker 3: they can't help. And I think especially when a family

775
00:46:32,161 --> 00:46:36,041
Speaker 3: member goes missing, I don't know if it's just what

776
00:46:36,201 --> 00:46:41,041
Speaker 3: people sort of expect or think happens, it's just not

777
00:46:41,161 --> 00:46:41,801
Speaker 3: what happens.

778
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:46,401
Speaker 4: It's such a weird space, Jase, Like I think about

779
00:46:46,561 --> 00:46:50,521
Speaker 4: lots of other different elements in you know, crime and

780
00:46:51,641 --> 00:46:54,281
Speaker 4: murders and you know things that happen in the world,

781
00:46:54,361 --> 00:46:58,081
Speaker 4: and the support and the funding and let's have a

782
00:46:58,121 --> 00:47:00,921
Speaker 4: big ball and raise millions of dollars to help.

783
00:47:00,681 --> 00:47:02,241
Speaker 1: The people in that space.

784
00:47:03,121 --> 00:47:06,441
Speaker 4: And why it doesn't happen in the missing space because

785
00:47:06,801 --> 00:47:10,801
Speaker 4: you know every year there's more people going missing and

786
00:47:10,841 --> 00:47:13,801
Speaker 4: it costs a lot of money to find you fifty

787
00:47:13,881 --> 00:47:15,841
Speaker 4: thousand people a year in Australia.

788
00:47:16,441 --> 00:47:19,041
Speaker 1: That we need more help, We.

789
00:47:18,961 --> 00:47:22,241
Speaker 4: Need to do something more, and that needs to come

790
00:47:22,921 --> 00:47:25,001
Speaker 4: from a higher level, Like it can't come from you

791
00:47:25,201 --> 00:47:27,641
Speaker 4: or me, the families, but we can definitely.

792
00:47:27,761 --> 00:47:30,081
Speaker 1: That's brings an awareness to that space.

793
00:47:30,161 --> 00:47:35,681
Speaker 3: Because every family is desperate to find they're missing loved one,

794
00:47:36,481 --> 00:47:39,321
Speaker 3: and you do your best, you do what you can

795
00:47:39,561 --> 00:47:47,721
Speaker 3: when you can, but not having resources to just go

796
00:47:47,801 --> 00:47:52,241
Speaker 3: out there and find that missing person that loved one,

797
00:47:52,921 --> 00:47:57,121
Speaker 3: it's very isolating. Like it's for me, I just find

798
00:47:57,161 --> 00:48:03,481
Speaker 3: it organizing searchers and conducting searchers. I don't feel like

799
00:48:03,521 --> 00:48:06,601
Speaker 3: I'm doing it by myself, but I do sort of

800
00:48:06,641 --> 00:48:12,481
Speaker 3: feel not alone in a way, like it's a bit I.

801
00:48:12,441 --> 00:48:15,041
Speaker 1: Don't understand what you're saying. I feel I feel alone.

802
00:48:15,121 --> 00:48:17,601
Speaker 4: I have lots of people helping, but there are times

803
00:48:17,641 --> 00:48:20,081
Speaker 4: and that goes down to my husband and my kids,

804
00:48:20,121 --> 00:48:23,881
Speaker 4: and everyone's keen to help, but there's an inner loneliness

805
00:48:23,921 --> 00:48:27,121
Speaker 4: that I don't think I can understand myself to even

806
00:48:27,161 --> 00:48:30,281
Speaker 4: put it into words for other people to even comprehend.

807
00:48:30,561 --> 00:48:36,121
Speaker 3: Like I've got a great supporter base with Dad's Facebook page,

808
00:48:36,401 --> 00:48:42,561
Speaker 3: just amazing, and they're just so supportive, but then at

809
00:48:42,561 --> 00:48:45,441
Speaker 3: the same time, like I'm looking at a computer screen

810
00:48:45,521 --> 00:48:49,641
Speaker 3: at midnight trying to get a post ready, or like

811
00:48:49,921 --> 00:48:53,001
Speaker 3: it's a weird feeling. It's you know, you've got a

812
00:48:53,041 --> 00:48:56,041
Speaker 3: backing of a lot of people, but it's it's just

813
00:48:56,081 --> 00:48:58,241
Speaker 3: a very very strange feeling.

814
00:48:58,801 --> 00:49:00,841
Speaker 4: And I think that's probably one of my drives too,

815
00:49:01,201 --> 00:49:04,041
Speaker 4: and it might even be yours as well, where we

816
00:49:04,161 --> 00:49:07,401
Speaker 4: just keep trying to do different things, something different, to

817
00:49:07,801 --> 00:49:10,961
Speaker 4: keep the story alive, keep the awareness alive.

818
00:49:11,241 --> 00:49:13,121
Speaker 1: Let's try and find new people.

819
00:49:13,161 --> 00:49:16,161
Speaker 4: And I quite often say that within my community, for

820
00:49:16,281 --> 00:49:19,761
Speaker 4: my mum you guys know the story, you know what's

821
00:49:19,801 --> 00:49:22,121
Speaker 4: happened here. We need you to share it, We need

822
00:49:22,161 --> 00:49:24,961
Speaker 4: you to like it. We need you to help build

823
00:49:25,001 --> 00:49:28,681
Speaker 4: algorithms that will bring new people to that page, because

824
00:49:29,201 --> 00:49:33,281
Speaker 4: you know, someone knows something, someone's seen something, someone's heard something,

825
00:49:33,521 --> 00:49:35,481
Speaker 4: you know, and it might be they just need to

826
00:49:35,881 --> 00:49:38,401
Speaker 4: connect the dots together and to be able to put

827
00:49:38,441 --> 00:49:40,161
Speaker 4: the pieces of the puzzle together. And you've got a

828
00:49:40,241 --> 00:49:41,681
Speaker 4: raffle going at the moment, haven't you.

829
00:49:42,441 --> 00:49:45,801
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. I've got a family friend who

830
00:49:45,841 --> 00:49:48,801
Speaker 3: loves to crochet, and she made ear warmers.

831
00:49:48,801 --> 00:49:51,281
Speaker 4: Did I read that properly? Did she make ear warmers

832
00:49:51,441 --> 00:49:55,241
Speaker 4: like I would.

833
00:49:55,041 --> 00:49:59,481
Speaker 1: Love hear warmers? How awesome? Now let's jump on.

834
00:49:59,881 --> 00:50:02,921
Speaker 4: I want to see the winner of those ear warmers.

835
00:50:03,081 --> 00:50:04,561
Speaker 1: I want to post. I want to see it.

836
00:50:05,401 --> 00:50:07,961
Speaker 3: I was going to stipulate whoever does when has to

837
00:50:08,321 --> 00:50:11,121
Speaker 3: provide a phote, except.

838
00:50:10,881 --> 00:50:13,321
Speaker 1: Well, I'm jumping on and buying your ticket when we

839
00:50:13,441 --> 00:50:16,161
Speaker 1: jump off. Good on you. That's amazing.

840
00:50:17,001 --> 00:50:20,041
Speaker 3: But that's a hing like just the support we've had

841
00:50:20,721 --> 00:50:24,601
Speaker 3: just for that at the moment, it'll buy probably about

842
00:50:24,801 --> 00:50:28,241
Speaker 3: three tank loads of diesel just to get us around

843
00:50:28,481 --> 00:50:30,601
Speaker 3: where we need to be well, it's been.

844
00:50:30,441 --> 00:50:33,721
Speaker 4: Almost seventeen years now, so you know, you guys are

845
00:50:34,401 --> 00:50:37,801
Speaker 4: sadly experts. I guess in this space and knowing you

846
00:50:37,801 --> 00:50:40,281
Speaker 4: know what you have to do, and we're constantly just

847
00:50:40,681 --> 00:50:43,601
Speaker 4: grappling with anything. I'm sure you'd like me, just trying

848
00:50:43,601 --> 00:50:46,401
Speaker 4: to think of different things and trying to do something new.

849
00:50:46,721 --> 00:50:47,681
Speaker 1: Can you tell us.

850
00:50:47,761 --> 00:50:54,281
Speaker 4: About how the searching and the not knowing has continued

851
00:50:54,321 --> 00:50:58,321
Speaker 4: to shape your family, like how you're family coping when.

852
00:50:58,201 --> 00:51:00,921
Speaker 3: It comes to the searching. I'm definitely no expert. I

853
00:51:01,081 --> 00:51:03,761
Speaker 3: just do what I feel is the right thing to do,

854
00:51:04,441 --> 00:51:07,441
Speaker 3: right or wrong. Like I said, when Dale Nicholson was found,

855
00:51:07,721 --> 00:51:10,961
Speaker 3: it sort of proved to us that what we're doing,

856
00:51:11,481 --> 00:51:13,401
Speaker 3: we are on that track. But like I said, I'm

857
00:51:13,401 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: definitely no expert. I'm probably better at it now than

858
00:51:17,481 --> 00:51:23,361
Speaker 3: I was four years ago, five years ago. Searching being

859
00:51:23,441 --> 00:51:29,961
Speaker 3: a male, Ah yeah, I'm fine. I do have my moments,

860
00:51:30,561 --> 00:51:34,561
Speaker 3: just little things. I've gone through a lot of the

861
00:51:34,601 --> 00:51:38,241
Speaker 3: footage and I've picked up on a few things I

862
00:51:38,281 --> 00:51:41,001
Speaker 3: didn't know that I did. There's been a couple of

863
00:51:41,001 --> 00:51:46,881
Speaker 3: times diver Dan's found a car and it's on the sonar.

864
00:51:47,041 --> 00:51:51,081
Speaker 3: It's the right shape, it's the right size it could

865
00:51:51,121 --> 00:51:57,281
Speaker 3: possibly be until diver. Dan dives and I'm holding the

866
00:51:57,321 --> 00:52:01,241
Speaker 3: camera in the boat right above Dan and he's going

867
00:52:01,361 --> 00:52:06,041
Speaker 3: under and the not knowing of he'll go down and

868
00:52:06,881 --> 00:52:10,361
Speaker 3: make his assessment and then the affairs reggio plates or

869
00:52:10,481 --> 00:52:15,241
Speaker 3: something like that, he'll take off fan we'll identify the car.

870
00:52:15,521 --> 00:52:19,241
Speaker 3: But I've seen in the videos and Dan's been underwater

871
00:52:19,321 --> 00:52:23,441
Speaker 3: for like nearly three minutes, and from the time he dives,

872
00:52:23,921 --> 00:52:26,921
Speaker 3: I haven't taken a breath. I'm just holding my breath

873
00:52:26,961 --> 00:52:30,641
Speaker 3: the whole time. And didn't know that I did that.

874
00:52:31,481 --> 00:52:33,721
Speaker 3: But yeah, well it's just.

875
00:52:33,681 --> 00:52:36,361
Speaker 1: The anticipation is just the not knowing.

876
00:52:37,201 --> 00:52:40,681
Speaker 3: I've sat in the boat obviously doing that. But I

877
00:52:40,681 --> 00:52:44,681
Speaker 3: wouldn't say I'm trembling, but I'm I'm shaking like it's

878
00:52:45,201 --> 00:52:47,801
Speaker 3: it's a big deal, like it's a lot on you.

879
00:52:48,361 --> 00:52:50,041
Speaker 3: It does take a toll.

880
00:52:50,681 --> 00:52:53,321
Speaker 4: I would say too that you know, I recently did

881
00:52:53,321 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 4: a dog search with search dog Sydney and Chris Das

882
00:52:56,041 --> 00:52:59,641
Speaker 4: He said to me, I'm looking for my mum's body

883
00:53:00,801 --> 00:53:03,561
Speaker 4: in the reeds of a creek in Armadale, and he said,

884
00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:06,001
Speaker 4: so the family do this.

885
00:53:06,001 --> 00:53:07,841
Speaker 1: This is not normal.

886
00:53:07,561 --> 00:53:11,121
Speaker 4: That you would be putting yourself in this position. That's right,

887
00:53:11,401 --> 00:53:14,041
Speaker 4: But you said earlier too that you know, you get

888
00:53:14,121 --> 00:53:16,761
Speaker 4: to a point where I think you've been let down

889
00:53:17,481 --> 00:53:20,641
Speaker 4: by authorities who you believed would probably have done this

890
00:53:20,881 --> 00:53:23,841
Speaker 4: for you and your case with your missing person, but

891
00:53:23,921 --> 00:53:25,881
Speaker 4: they don't, so it sort of falls on you. And

892
00:53:25,961 --> 00:53:28,881
Speaker 4: I'm at a point where unless I do it myself,

893
00:53:30,201 --> 00:53:32,601
Speaker 4: I have a real fear that it's just not being

894
00:53:32,641 --> 00:53:33,281
Speaker 4: done properly.

895
00:53:33,761 --> 00:53:35,721
Speaker 3: And in the words of my brother, if you want

896
00:53:35,721 --> 00:53:37,561
Speaker 3: it done properly, do it yourself.

897
00:53:37,921 --> 00:53:38,241
Speaker 1: Yeah.

898
00:53:38,481 --> 00:53:41,201
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is hard, but I guess in a

899
00:53:41,241 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 4: way it's probably important for you that you are doing

900
00:53:46,001 --> 00:53:47,921
Speaker 4: it and you are there so that you can go right,

901
00:53:47,961 --> 00:53:50,361
Speaker 4: we've ticked that box, we can move onto the next box.

902
00:53:50,401 --> 00:53:52,801
Speaker 4: And sometimes it is a case of with a missing person,

903
00:53:52,841 --> 00:53:54,601
Speaker 4: we're just going through those motions.

904
00:53:55,881 --> 00:53:58,641
Speaker 3: And I've always had just a thought in my head

905
00:53:58,881 --> 00:54:02,721
Speaker 3: if the roles were reversed and I've gone missing, I

906
00:54:02,761 --> 00:54:05,761
Speaker 3: know that my dad would be doing exact exactly what

907
00:54:05,801 --> 00:54:07,361
Speaker 3: I'm doing to find me.

908
00:54:07,761 --> 00:54:12,121
Speaker 4: So, well, you're doing an amazing job, So you should

909
00:54:12,681 --> 00:54:14,921
Speaker 4: give yourself some credit and pad on the back for

910
00:54:14,961 --> 00:54:17,441
Speaker 4: what you're doing, because it is very difficult, and you

911
00:54:17,881 --> 00:54:21,801
Speaker 4: are definitely stepping outside that comfort zone and putting yourself

912
00:54:21,841 --> 00:54:24,441
Speaker 4: in positions like sitting in the boat and recording to

913
00:54:24,561 --> 00:54:26,841
Speaker 4: capture it for everybody, because we're all holding our breath

914
00:54:26,841 --> 00:54:29,561
Speaker 4: with you right when they're going down, We're going, oh

915
00:54:29,601 --> 00:54:31,601
Speaker 4: my god, what are they going to find when they

916
00:54:31,641 --> 00:54:32,321
Speaker 4: go down there?

917
00:54:32,721 --> 00:54:33,721
Speaker 1: It is massive.

918
00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:38,401
Speaker 3: We've had people like because what we said earlier on,

919
00:54:38,561 --> 00:54:41,041
Speaker 3: there's a lot of rivers and that they go right

920
00:54:41,121 --> 00:54:45,441
Speaker 3: aside main roads around Tazzy. We've had people that know

921
00:54:45,561 --> 00:54:48,401
Speaker 3: who we are and what we're doing and they can

922
00:54:48,441 --> 00:54:51,801
Speaker 3: see what's going on and they've just pulled up on

923
00:54:51,841 --> 00:54:54,401
Speaker 3: the side of the road and you can just see

924
00:54:54,441 --> 00:54:57,361
Speaker 3: the look on their face. They're just hoping that day

925
00:54:57,521 --> 00:55:01,161
Speaker 3: was going to be the day day. So we've got

926
00:55:01,521 --> 00:55:02,361
Speaker 3: lots of support.

927
00:55:02,561 --> 00:55:05,161
Speaker 4: So yeah, I wanted to ask you a question. So

928
00:55:05,241 --> 00:55:08,641
Speaker 4: in Queensland, I've noticed that it's probably only been in

929
00:55:08,641 --> 00:55:10,561
Speaker 4: the last couple of years that this has started to happen.

930
00:55:10,641 --> 00:55:12,401
Speaker 4: But we if there's a car on the side of

931
00:55:12,441 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 4: the road, there'll be a sticker from that police come

932
00:55:16,481 --> 00:55:20,001
Speaker 4: and put on and say police aware. I wanted to

933
00:55:20,001 --> 00:55:22,161
Speaker 4: bring this up because I thought it was important as

934
00:55:22,201 --> 00:55:25,081
Speaker 4: far as bringing some public awareness and call to action.

935
00:55:26,041 --> 00:55:29,241
Speaker 4: In the case of Nicola, I think, you know, I

936
00:55:29,241 --> 00:55:32,321
Speaker 4: remember hearing you say and talk about if you saw

937
00:55:32,361 --> 00:55:35,321
Speaker 4: a car abandoned on the side of the road, or

938
00:55:35,321 --> 00:55:36,841
Speaker 4: if it was in off the.

939
00:55:36,841 --> 00:55:39,001
Speaker 1: Road a bit, would you hop.

940
00:55:38,801 --> 00:55:40,841
Speaker 4: Out and would you go and look at it just

941
00:55:40,881 --> 00:55:43,641
Speaker 4: to check that there's not someone in there who's had

942
00:55:44,001 --> 00:55:47,081
Speaker 4: an incident where they might have passed out or had

943
00:55:47,081 --> 00:55:49,801
Speaker 4: a heart attack or driven off the road and hidden animal,

944
00:55:50,121 --> 00:55:53,721
Speaker 4: and if they're all right? And how many people would

945
00:55:53,761 --> 00:55:55,681
Speaker 4: actually do that, and how many people would take the

946
00:55:55,761 --> 00:56:00,121
Speaker 4: steps to actually keeping an eye out and reporting vehicles.

947
00:56:00,201 --> 00:56:03,881
Speaker 1: So they have those stickers, the police aware stickers down As.

948
00:56:03,761 --> 00:56:05,521
Speaker 3: Far as I know, they don't have the stick but

949
00:56:05,521 --> 00:56:09,521
Speaker 3: they have police tape, so they usually put police tape

950
00:56:09,521 --> 00:56:11,081
Speaker 3: around a vehicle.

951
00:56:11,441 --> 00:56:14,041
Speaker 1: And so why is that important? Do you think? I

952
00:56:14,041 --> 00:56:15,721
Speaker 1: was telling my friend this the other day.

953
00:56:15,761 --> 00:56:18,001
Speaker 4: I was telling her about this exact scenario, and she said,

954
00:56:18,041 --> 00:56:20,241
Speaker 4: I think I'd be afraid to get out and go

955
00:56:20,281 --> 00:56:22,281
Speaker 4: and walk and have a look, but I'd probably call

956
00:56:22,361 --> 00:56:24,921
Speaker 4: the police and say, hey, there's a car there. And

957
00:56:25,041 --> 00:56:27,761
Speaker 4: because I was instantly like thinking, I don't even know

958
00:56:27,801 --> 00:56:31,361
Speaker 4: if I've actually been aware in my space to go, oh,

959
00:56:31,361 --> 00:56:33,401
Speaker 4: there's a car there, I should go and check it

960
00:56:33,441 --> 00:56:36,041
Speaker 4: out or look. But I think I want to bring

961
00:56:36,041 --> 00:56:38,641
Speaker 4: it as an awareness to this sort of thing because

962
00:56:38,681 --> 00:56:39,361
Speaker 4: you just never know.

963
00:56:40,321 --> 00:56:43,721
Speaker 3: Yeah, over the years, we've had people contact us and

964
00:56:44,361 --> 00:56:49,281
Speaker 3: they'll say, there's a car down a bush road. Then

965
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:52,201
Speaker 3: you'd sort of have you reported this to police?

966
00:56:52,801 --> 00:56:52,881
Speaker 4: Oh?

967
00:56:53,001 --> 00:56:55,361
Speaker 3: No, I'm sure someone else has done it.

968
00:56:56,001 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what's the key there is? We want people

969
00:56:58,041 --> 00:57:00,641
Speaker 4: if you see something and it doesn't have any evidence

970
00:57:00,681 --> 00:57:05,041
Speaker 4: of police being aware, be that tape or a sticker

971
00:57:05,201 --> 00:57:06,841
Speaker 4: of some description. Doesn't mean you have to go and

972
00:57:06,881 --> 00:57:08,721
Speaker 4: look in it, but that you definitely should be making

973
00:57:08,761 --> 00:57:11,321
Speaker 4: it away to police because that could help.

974
00:57:11,841 --> 00:57:14,921
Speaker 3: Yeah, and definitely you don't want to put yourself in

975
00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:19,161
Speaker 3: danger doing that either, but if it's safe to do so,

976
00:57:19,921 --> 00:57:24,681
Speaker 3: regio number, type of car, if you can get that close,

977
00:57:25,321 --> 00:57:29,241
Speaker 3: maybe a VIN number on a vehicle, and then if

978
00:57:29,281 --> 00:57:31,921
Speaker 3: you can even get in closer, is there someone in

979
00:57:31,961 --> 00:57:32,241
Speaker 3: the car?

980
00:57:33,401 --> 00:57:36,641
Speaker 4: So, after all of these years, Jas, what would it

981
00:57:36,641 --> 00:57:39,241
Speaker 4: mean for you and your family in the community to

982
00:57:39,401 --> 00:57:40,721
Speaker 4: finally find your dad?

983
00:57:42,121 --> 00:57:44,721
Speaker 3: Well, since dad went missing, especially a lot of the

984
00:57:44,761 --> 00:57:48,241
Speaker 3: people that he used to play bowls with and socialize

985
00:57:48,841 --> 00:57:52,801
Speaker 3: have passed on as well, so over the years they

986
00:57:52,841 --> 00:57:58,161
Speaker 3: had sort of buddies. His group in the Sheffield community

987
00:57:59,121 --> 00:58:02,961
Speaker 3: has got a lot smaller, but there's still quite a

988
00:58:02,961 --> 00:58:06,481
Speaker 3: lot of people, especially in field, that know about that.

989
00:58:06,801 --> 00:58:13,521
Speaker 3: But now he's gone from just missing in Sheffield, missing

990
00:58:13,561 --> 00:58:20,121
Speaker 3: in Tasmania, to missing in Australia. Like it's followers are

991
00:58:20,161 --> 00:58:24,121
Speaker 3: from everywhere. A lot more people know about.

992
00:58:23,801 --> 00:58:26,161
Speaker 1: Him, which is due to your hard work.

993
00:58:27,401 --> 00:58:30,641
Speaker 3: And it's a big community missing persons, which is great,

994
00:58:31,241 --> 00:58:38,041
Speaker 3: but just to find any answers would be it's just

995
00:58:38,121 --> 00:58:42,801
Speaker 3: all we want to know what happened and for it

996
00:58:42,841 --> 00:58:47,441
Speaker 3: to be over. Every family of a missing person just

997
00:58:49,081 --> 00:58:51,241
Speaker 3: slowly going crazy.

998
00:58:51,081 --> 00:58:55,801
Speaker 1: With the not knowing get harder, doesn't he of that situation.

999
00:58:55,481 --> 00:58:55,641
Speaker 5: And.

1000
00:58:57,401 --> 00:59:01,601
Speaker 3: We spend a lot of time with our own thoughts

1001
00:59:01,721 --> 00:59:07,001
Speaker 3: and what if and then and the whole not knowing

1002
00:59:07,041 --> 00:59:09,841
Speaker 3: what has happened that it plays on your mind, and

1003
00:59:09,881 --> 00:59:15,521
Speaker 3: it plays on the community's mind, and everyone wants to help,

1004
00:59:16,121 --> 00:59:21,561
Speaker 3: and everyone's invested in trying to help in any way

1005
00:59:22,201 --> 00:59:29,361
Speaker 3: that they can, and people just want, like I said, answers.

1006
00:59:29,241 --> 00:59:32,001
Speaker 4: There's currently no reward for your dad either, Is there

1007
00:59:33,001 --> 00:59:35,561
Speaker 4: no there isn't. How do you feel about that.

1008
00:59:36,441 --> 00:59:40,961
Speaker 3: I haven't really given it a lot of thought. Sometimes

1009
00:59:41,001 --> 00:59:47,161
Speaker 3: I think it might be beneficial, and then sometimes I'm

1010
00:59:47,201 --> 00:59:51,481
Speaker 3: sort of not so sure. But if that was to happen,

1011
00:59:53,161 --> 00:59:57,401
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure. It's not an avenue that I've

1012
00:59:57,441 --> 01:00:02,401
Speaker 3: gone down to try and get happening. Yes, it's not

1013
01:00:02,441 --> 01:00:06,121
Speaker 3: really something I've put a lot of thought into. Maybe

1014
01:00:07,241 --> 01:00:08,601
Speaker 3: someone can enlighten me.

1015
01:00:10,201 --> 01:00:10,521
Speaker 1: Regard.

1016
01:00:10,761 --> 01:00:12,761
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think there's a right or

1017
01:00:12,761 --> 01:00:16,481
Speaker 4: wrong answer there. You know, maybe maybe someone did see

1018
01:00:16,521 --> 01:00:19,841
Speaker 4: something and they just haven't thought to come forward, or

1019
01:00:20,281 --> 01:00:23,601
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes I think just having a face with

1020
01:00:24,121 --> 01:00:29,001
Speaker 4: a reward can actually just spike someone's interest. Well, I

1021
01:00:29,001 --> 01:00:33,561
Speaker 4: would like to finish our chat just by asking you

1022
01:00:33,721 --> 01:00:37,081
Speaker 4: why Nicola matters.

1023
01:00:38,521 --> 01:00:44,601
Speaker 3: Well, Nicola matters because well, for me personally, he's my

1024
01:00:44,721 --> 01:00:53,081
Speaker 3: dad and he was a very good dad. He just

1025
01:00:53,521 --> 01:00:56,721
Speaker 3: I've said it a lot. He's just just a great bloke.

1026
01:00:57,041 --> 01:00:59,841
Speaker 3: Just to put it in Australian terms, He's just a

1027
01:00:59,921 --> 01:01:06,321
Speaker 3: great bloke, great dad, a great husband, great granddad. Just

1028
01:01:08,161 --> 01:01:11,081
Speaker 3: if you're his mate, you knew that he was your mate.

1029
01:01:11,801 --> 01:01:18,361
Speaker 3: Just funny, loving, just a warm guy. Just can't speak

1030
01:01:18,401 --> 01:01:21,721
Speaker 3: any more highly of him like he just like I said,

1031
01:01:21,881 --> 01:01:22,841
Speaker 3: just a great bloke.

1032
01:01:24,081 --> 01:01:26,801
Speaker 4: I think you'd be very proud of his sons and

1033
01:01:26,841 --> 01:01:31,041
Speaker 4: his family for doing everything you have, because it is

1034
01:01:31,161 --> 01:01:34,801
Speaker 4: very hard what you're doing. And I'm sure that wherever

1035
01:01:34,841 --> 01:01:37,641
Speaker 4: he is, he's very very proud of you, guys. And

1036
01:01:37,761 --> 01:01:39,801
Speaker 4: I want to say thank you to you for sharing

1037
01:01:41,401 --> 01:01:44,761
Speaker 4: a journey with us, because it is very hard to

1038
01:01:44,801 --> 01:01:48,201
Speaker 4: pull yourself back through these conversations on repeat, isn't it,

1039
01:01:48,241 --> 01:01:50,361
Speaker 4: And you know you've just come off the back. As

1040
01:01:50,361 --> 01:01:54,201
Speaker 4: we said of missing persons week, I am, for one,

1041
01:01:54,241 --> 01:01:57,361
Speaker 4: following your story very closely and I have every hope

1042
01:01:57,401 --> 01:02:00,881
Speaker 4: and wish that you find your dad and bring him

1043
01:02:00,881 --> 01:02:04,721
Speaker 4: home and give you some peace. So thank you Jason

1044
01:02:05,321 --> 01:02:05,801
Speaker 4: joining me.

1045
01:02:06,681 --> 01:02:10,601
Speaker 3: Thank you next week on the missing matter.

1046
01:02:11,881 --> 01:02:15,441
Speaker 5: It's terrible to have something, to have a parent go mysteriously,

1047
01:02:15,641 --> 01:02:19,281
Speaker 5: So that's one of the reasons I've followed you closely

1048
01:02:19,401 --> 01:02:22,841
Speaker 5: because I know the trauma that's attached to that and

1049
01:02:22,921 --> 01:02:24,161
Speaker 5: it's something now that you.

1050
01:02:24,201 --> 01:02:27,481
Speaker 3: Carry through your life. And same with my two children.

1051
01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:30,881
Speaker 5: It really sucked the life out of them to lose

1052
01:02:30,961 --> 01:02:37,961
Speaker 5: their hero dads in such dramatic circumstances. I spent the

1053
01:02:38,001 --> 01:02:40,681
Speaker 5: morning having breakfast out on a balcony with the other

1054
01:02:40,921 --> 01:02:44,761
Speaker 5: friends and we were just laughing and chatting and catching up.

1055
01:02:45,161 --> 01:02:48,561
Speaker 5: We never thought anything about it. So when lunchtime came

1056
01:02:48,601 --> 01:02:52,001
Speaker 5: on the Sunday and he wasn't back, I thought, oh, well,

1057
01:02:52,041 --> 01:02:57,161
Speaker 5: maybe he's delayed a little because of those three events.

1058
01:02:57,561 --> 01:03:00,081
Speaker 5: They're so extreme and out of the ordinary and not

1059
01:03:00,321 --> 01:03:03,801
Speaker 5: handled properly. There was a two hour window of opportunity,

1060
01:03:03,841 --> 01:03:07,241
Speaker 5: and Please kept saying there was only one hour, and

1061
01:03:07,521 --> 01:03:11,401
Speaker 5: because of that, it was dropped within five days, and

1062
01:03:11,841 --> 01:03:16,161
Speaker 5: it should not have been dropped.