WEBVTT - Albanese v Dutton: Who won week one?

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only been a week, but the election campaign is

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<v Speaker 1>already offscript. Trump's terrorists of land aloger grenade in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the campaign, sending shockwaves through the economy and

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<v Speaker 1>testing both leaders as they try to deal with the fallout.

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<v Speaker 1>As polls show, Alberanizi is finding his stride, Dunton still

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to give detail the many of his policies, though

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<v Speaker 1>he's clear on one thing. He'd quite like to live

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<v Speaker 1>in Curabillity Today Communists for the Saturday Paper Paul bon

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<v Speaker 1>Giorno on Dunton's missteps, Albanese's reset and the global forces

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<v Speaker 1>shaping the campaign. It's Saturday, April five, Paul. This week

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<v Speaker 1>we finally saw the long threatened Liberation Day tarriffs and

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<v Speaker 1>for Australia that meant a ten per sent tariff and

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<v Speaker 1>all products we send to the United States. So how's

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister reacted to this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd have to say that he's reacted calmly, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's reacted in a way that he was absolutely aware

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<v Speaker 2>that he was. Well, if not the middle of an

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<v Speaker 2>election campaign, the beginning of a very serious election campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and he was fast out of the blocks. On the

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<v Speaker 2>day of the announcement, he held a full scale news

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<v Speaker 2>conference with the Foreign Minister and the Trade Minister, and

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<v Speaker 2>he read a very carefully prepared response.

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<v Speaker 3>The innilateral action that the Trump administration has taken today

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<v Speaker 3>against every nation in the world does not come as

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<v Speaker 3>a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>But in that response he was careful not to personally

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<v Speaker 2>attack or denigrate the President of the United States. This

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<v Speaker 2>was all about business, not personalities, and he stuck to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Core business President Trump referred to with typical tariffs, a

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<v Speaker 3>reciprocal tariff would be zero, not ten percent. The administration's

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<v Speaker 3>tariffs have no basis in logic, and they go against

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<v Speaker 3>the basis of our two nations partnership.

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<v Speaker 2>He concluded. This is not the act of a friend, but.

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<v Speaker 3>The Australian people have every right to view this action

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<v Speaker 3>by the Trump administration as undermining our free and fair

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<v Speaker 3>trading relationship and counter to the shared values that have

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<v Speaker 3>always been at the heart of our two nations longstanding friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>As Albanese he said in his news conference, it's not logic,

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<v Speaker 2>it's politics that explains this.

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<v Speaker 1>So Anthony Albanezi said, this is not how friends act,

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<v Speaker 1>but what's he going to actually do about these tariffs?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his response has to be on two levels. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you might recall Trump also said that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he expecting the phones to ring, so some have said, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe these tariffs are an amb but you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>Trump to give some people a bit more here or

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more there. So Australia will certainly and is

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<v Speaker 2>taking up that invitation or that opening, if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>real opening at all. But the other thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister came to his early morning news conference

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<v Speaker 2>with a five point plan.

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<v Speaker 3>We will stand up for Australia. We will continue to

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<v Speaker 3>make the strongest cage, which went.

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<v Speaker 2>To offering millions of dollars to our exporters, interest free

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<v Speaker 2>loans and other things to help them find other markets

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<v Speaker 2>and to develop markets, particularly in our region. And also

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<v Speaker 2>a policy to buy Australian first. So yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>multi pronged approach to it. I guess we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make the best of a very bad situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And this happened in the first week of the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>So what Darton and now a bit easy to do

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<v Speaker 1>now is a real world test of what we can

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<v Speaker 1>expect for each of them should they win in a

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<v Speaker 1>month's time. How has Dutton handled this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first reaction from Dutton on Thursday morning was

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<v Speaker 2>that he would stand shoulder to shoulder with Albanzi.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with the

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<v Speaker 4>Prime Minister to make sure that we send a very

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<v Speaker 4>clear message to the Americans that we don't find it

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<v Speaker 4>acceptable at all, and we are.

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<v Speaker 2>But as the day progressed a couple more news conferences,

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<v Speaker 2>the Dutton of old emerged again.

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<v Speaker 4>The Prime Minister has been weak and missing in action,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why we find ourselves in the position that

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<v Speaker 4>we're in today.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister, so the villain here was not Trump

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<v Speaker 2>imposing these tariffs, but Albanesi for failing to have the

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs withheld. Dutton claims that the Prime Minister hasn't been

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<v Speaker 2>able to even get a call or a meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump. They even suggested that Albanese should have hopped

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<v Speaker 2>on a plane and gone immediately to Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>And he needs to do everything he can to leverage

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<v Speaker 4>them Ba and others to get the relationship normalized. It's

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<v Speaker 4>obvious that the Prime.

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<v Speaker 2>Minister, you know, ignoring the fact that you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>lob on the President's door, you actually have to be

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<v Speaker 2>invited to the White House. But he also then raised

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<v Speaker 2>that we should have leveraged our strategic relationship, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we have an Anders treaty, the fact that we've

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<v Speaker 2>got Pine Gap, and then as well the minerals needed

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<v Speaker 2>for modern technology. This should have all been put on

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<v Speaker 2>the table.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's exactly what we would do. And that's of

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<v Speaker 4>huge benefit to the United States and a huge financial

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<v Speaker 4>benefit to Australia and that's why it's a no brainer.

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<v Speaker 4>But the Prime Minister hasn't spoken a word about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, a rather reckless suggestion. Should we try to make

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<v Speaker 2>our strategic alliance with the Americans hostage to the whims

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump on trade? To what extent can you have

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<v Speaker 2>a meaningful negotiation with Trump who operates as a New

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<v Speaker 2>York real estate agent? You know, what do you going

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<v Speaker 2>to give me type of stuff? How much more would

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<v Speaker 2>we be prepared to trade away to get Trump to

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<v Speaker 2>drop the ten percent tariffs?

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<v Speaker 1>And wouldn't be an election campaign of course without other

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<v Speaker 1>pms giving their thoughts on the campaign and other world maders,

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<v Speaker 1>how have they shaped the week's debate well.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, at the beginning of the week, Malcolm Turnbull gave

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<v Speaker 2>a key address at the National Press Club.

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<v Speaker 5>Simply stated, the United States under President Trump does not

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<v Speaker 5>share the values we've shared with every single one of

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<v Speaker 5>his predecessors, Republican and Democrat for over eighty years, and

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<v Speaker 5>he does not prepare.

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<v Speaker 2>And the basic message was you can't trust the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to be more realistic about the Orchest submarine

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<v Speaker 2>deal as an expensive white elephant. He even joked it.

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<v Speaker 2>No wonder Trump likes it. He always likes a good deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a deal where Australia basically has been

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<v Speaker 2>taken for an extremely expensive ride.

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<v Speaker 5>Leaving to another marine metaphor, there is a big while

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<v Speaker 5>in the bay called Donald Trump splashing around, whetting everybody

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<v Speaker 5>and creating mayhem and our political class of offending, pretending

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<v Speaker 5>it's not there.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, Dunton dangles his feet in

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<v Speaker 1>Work, Paul, It's hard to believe it's only been a

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<v Speaker 1>week since the election was called. What's been your overall

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<v Speaker 1>assessment of the two leaders' performances.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the election was called, everybody in the Labor camp

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<v Speaker 2>was worried that Anthony Albanesi could not possibly turn in

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<v Speaker 2>another campaign as badly as the one he did in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. But we did begin to see this

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<v Speaker 2>year a different Anthony Albanesi and some of his firmust

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<v Speaker 2>critics within the government have breed the sigh of relief

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<v Speaker 2>that elbow has ditched the habit of a lifetime and

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<v Speaker 2>begin to tighten his act, and we've seen this in

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<v Speaker 2>the first week of the campaign. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>it appears that Peter Dutton has been caught with his

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<v Speaker 2>pants down. I think he got two relaxed talking to

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle and Jackie Oh on Kiss FM in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 4>Good morning Peter, that morning, I'm very well, Thank you, Heleny.

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<v Speaker 2>They sort of just lobbed in a gentle question and

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton walked headlong into it. He was asked where he

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<v Speaker 2>would live when he became Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we would, we would live in Kirabilly. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we love Sydney, you love the harbor. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a great city. And so yes, that's the answer.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got a choice.

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<v Speaker 4>Between kiabillitya living in camber in Lodge. It takes I

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<v Speaker 4>think it takes Sydney any day over over cam.

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<v Speaker 2>Because well Alberanisi and the labor camp couldn't believe their luck.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the response was tineered on so many levels.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a comment coming from Peter Dutton who has

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<v Speaker 2>put out there and now we don't know whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>a policy or top off head, but they've repeated it

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<v Speaker 2>a few times that he wants to force public servants

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<v Speaker 2>not to work from home and he wants to cut

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<v Speaker 2>forty one thousand public service jobs because he wants efficiency

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<v Speaker 2>cost efficiency in the public service. Well, the Prime Minister said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>when your job is to be close to where the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is and where meetings

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<v Speaker 2>happen almost every day, that's where you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're going to work from home on zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>What sense do we have about where he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>cut those jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>He keeps repeating he's going to cut those jobs in Canberra. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if he cut forty one thousand jobs in Canberra, he

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<v Speaker 2>would decimate the engine room of the Australian government because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is two thirds of all

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<v Speaker 2>public servants are actually outside the national capital. But the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are inside the national capital are absolutely critical

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<v Speaker 2>to departments like Treasury, Finance and Foreign Affairs and of

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<v Speaker 2>course Prime Minister and Cabinet. But there was some analysis

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<v Speaker 2>done which was quite interesting that if as the Liberals

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<v Speaker 2>and the Nationals have been talking about the forty one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand new positions that Labor has brought on, then an

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<v Speaker 2>analysis done in the nine newspapers found that at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand of these new public service positions will come

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<v Speaker 2>from other capital cities and more than four thousand will

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<v Speaker 2>come from the regions. You can see why he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to keep attacking. It's hardly going to win in votes

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<v Speaker 2>if he threatens to sack literally thousands of voters in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane,

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<v Speaker 2>and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, it's only a week in, but what are the

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<v Speaker 1>polls saying at this point and how much are they

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<v Speaker 1>likely to move as the campaign continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the polls show that the Labor went into the

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<v Speaker 2>election far better positioned than it had been for the

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<v Speaker 2>previous well eighteen months. We saw a slew of polls

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the week. The most important of

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<v Speaker 2>them was a you gov poll released by the ABC.

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<v Speaker 2>It's concluded that an election held last weekend would have

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<v Speaker 2>Labor gained seventy five seats. Now seventy five seats is

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<v Speaker 2>in fact one short of the seventy six seats needed

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<v Speaker 2>for a majority and providing a speaker. The poll then

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<v Speaker 2>found that the coalition would return sixty seats, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>a long way behind now. While Albernizi has regained his

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<v Speaker 2>own major personally, and while he's improved his position in

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<v Speaker 2>the polls, he like Dutton, even though Dutton on the

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<v Speaker 2>latest polls, is more unpopular than Albanezi. Neither of them

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<v Speaker 2>have set the world on fire. Neither of them are

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<v Speaker 2>very popular leaders. There is a vulnerability there that could

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<v Speaker 2>tip those undecided voters one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, thank you so much for your analysis and for

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<v Speaker 1>your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Daniel.

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