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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets podcast

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Speaker 1: The follow On.

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Speaker 2: My name is Courtney Walsh.

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Speaker 1: I'm a senior journalist with Fox Sports in Melbourne looking

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Speaker 1: to the Ashes coming up, and it's an absolute pleasure

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Speaker 1: to be joined by former England fast baller Matthew Hoggard

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Speaker 1: played sixty seven Tests for England, two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: eight Test wickets, twelve of those Tests, almost almost fifth

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Speaker 1: against Australia and thirty five wickets against the Aussies, and

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Speaker 1: was a starring member of that two thousand and five

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Speaker 1: Ashes Series one by England, considered one of the greatest ever.

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Speaker 1: How are you, mat Thanks for joining the further one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that ways nice to see you. I have to

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Speaker 3: be surprised though, when I said I was going to

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Speaker 3: be invited to talk with Courtney Walsh. I was expecting

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Speaker 3: somebody else, just.

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Speaker 2: A little taller and a little more.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever play against Courtney Welsh?

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Speaker 3: Then he will be my first ball in Test cricket,

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? I made my debut against the

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Speaker 3: West Indies and i'd push forward because it was last

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Speaker 3: ball of the over. I pushed forward the full defensive

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Speaker 3: thinking he's going to try and get me out and

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Speaker 3: the ball went Welcome to Test cricket. But yeah, it

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Speaker 3: nearly clew me up.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say I made him once when I

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Speaker 1: was about eight years old. Net in my head actually

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Speaker 1: headlines here it's sort of similar, nothing to what you

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Speaker 1: might have been spoiling, sort of two thousands long as

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Speaker 1: you've kept yours. But I don't know because I suspected

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Speaker 1: facing the wis See, these must have been absolutely frightening

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Speaker 1: giving those legends at their head.

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Speaker 3: Ah, it was when you when you're a nervous youngster

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Speaker 3: on your debut at the Home of Cricket at Lords,

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Speaker 3: I think we needed thirty two win with two wickets left,

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Speaker 3: and it was Darren Goff and Dominic Cork at the

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Speaker 3: crease and I was next in. I was chewing my

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Speaker 3: bat handle. I was fully kitted up because I wasn't

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Speaker 3: you see my bat in prowess. I wasn't the greatest

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Speaker 3: and being scared Whitlers going in next. I was just bricking.

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Speaker 3: I was just yeah, it was. I was so nervous

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Speaker 3: the Ambrose as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Curtly, I mean I think Courtney, what

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Speaker 1: took five hundred and twelve test?

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Speaker 2: We get some curtly, Well, it must have been.

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Speaker 3: They were all right, weren't they. They didn't give you

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Speaker 2: I never had the joy of facing them, and I'm well,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know if it's a joy. I never

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Speaker 3: Frightening.

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Speaker 2: So but look, I.

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Speaker 1: Suppose what you as I said, we've got you on

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Speaker 1: today in part we're doing a special feature sort of

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Speaker 1: series looking back at the at that iconic series in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I was going through I

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Speaker 1: suppose some of at least some some great players that

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Speaker 1: figuring out what people are up to, and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: what is Matthew hogging up to? And I came across

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Speaker 1: a link to some motivational speaking, So what what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? You've got I see you've got Hoggies grill

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Speaker 1: life like for Matthew Hoggin after what's the motivational speaking about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, retiring from international sport, from professional sport is

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Speaker 3: hard at the best of times and when you retire

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Speaker 3: thinking well, what have I done for the last eighteen years,

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Speaker 3: twenty years? I've run around after a little leather thing.

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Speaker 3: What qualifications have I got to go on and get

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Speaker 3: I tried my hand at insurance. I tried my hand

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Speaker 3: And I had to find my passion, which was eating

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Speaker 3: and drinking. I spent a lot of time in South

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Speaker 1: Yore before you, before you played for England, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I was. When I was eighteen, I went over

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Speaker 3: Handsy Kronnier as my captain. I had Alan Donald as

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Speaker 3: learning how to bowler in South Africa. But their lifestyle

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Speaker 3: I just love that. And I thought, we don't do

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Speaker 3: I wanted to elevate people and say you can cook

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Speaker 3: anything on a barbecue, including Yorkshire puddings, souflets, cakes, and

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Speaker 3: basically a barbecues, an thing you need to know about barbecues, bries,

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Speaker 3: to cook them and it's absolutely amazing. But then coupled

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Speaker 3: with that, you said, right then, over the last eighteen

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Speaker 3: in a high performance environment. You've had lots of ambitious

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Speaker 3: making sure that everybody's got the role in their places.

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Speaker 3: And it's a long winded answer, isn't it everybody? You're

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Speaker 1: Well, and you touched on you know some athletes who

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Speaker 1: in terms of the motivational stuff when you when you

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Speaker 1: move into that what what listens can you do? Do

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Speaker 1: you talk to corporates? I think you showed us some

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Speaker 1: you're still buy stuff in the north.

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Speaker 3: But when yorkure sacked me, I captain Leicester for four

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Speaker 3: Ernie was happy at school, my lad and it's beautiful countryside,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's sort of like the LISTI are.

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Speaker 1: And I am familiar with that sort of great clouds

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Speaker 3: There aren't being batters are in no form whatsoever. We've

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Speaker 1: I had to chet too to Michael Varney, who kept

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Speaker 1: Ryan Spinner told me that that Richard Dawson himself by saying,

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Speaker 1: What Michael, what Michael Vaughan was saying was that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: What people forget is that we actually won that, we

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Speaker 3: remember Steve White and Richard Dawson through then diving in

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Speaker 3: God is going his last one hundred in his last game.

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Speaker 1: There you go, that's something I have to go back

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Speaker 1: and have a look at the video. That's that's were

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Speaker 1: doing something on the Growless moment. So you've you've given

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Speaker 1: you know, Pat Cummins, the Australian captain. He's back backsman

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Speaker 1: Crickets and he said, no, we're going to done a position,

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Speaker 1: surely not videos you have to you have to finish

436
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Speaker 1: him off. And there was a couple of you know,

437
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: there's a couple of drop catches. There was some moments

438
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Speaker 1: and but the chance came and I asked the Aussie

439
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: cricketers back in some vision of that dismissal and.

440
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: He didn't have.

441
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: He didn't have. He's cloud on their best but.

442
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 3: It was. It was. And Simon Jones a couple of

443
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 3: was earlier dropped from down at third man and John

444
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: was one of my best mates. And I was thinking

445
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 3: he's going to be crucified the amount of crap he's

446
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: going to get for dropping the ashes, because if we

447
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: had lost that Test match, it had been a completely

448
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: different series because to come back from to nil against

449
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: that side was almost in an impossible situation because you

450
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: didn't do that against that side, so I thought he's

451
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: gonna he's dropped the ashes. And then Bretley smashed the

452
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: ball through covers. We still had an extra cover up

453
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 3: and I thought, what's kp doing out there? But it

454
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: was only one and then obviously Kaspovich gloved the ball

455
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: down the leg side, which he did. He loved it,

456
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: but he didn't appeal, He didn't say it didn't look

457
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 3: like he was angry because his hand wasn't He didn't

458
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: have a clue. So if the bad didn't have a clue,

459
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: the umpire just saw the glove. We didn't have a clue.

460
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 3: It was just an amazing relief of energy, thinking, right then,

461
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: we've gone from cruising this game to losing the game

462
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: to winning the game. And that's what that series was like.

463
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 3: All the way through the next three test matches that

464
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: there was ebbs and floors, and there was winners and

465
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: losers every day. But to finally get over the line

466
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: to go one all against Australia at home, it was

467
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: it was a huge confidence boost.

468
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: You get to you get to old Drafford, warn tastes

469
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: six hundred wik gets, Trustopic Vaughn, you kept him makes

470
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty six. McGrath has his worst every

471
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: figures into his cricket, doesn't take a week at nine

472
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: for eighty six rain on day three warn he makes

473
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: a ninety pointing Men of the Match in that one.

474
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: But you still almost get them. Lee McGrath survived twenty

475
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: four balls and it's a draw.

476
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, made you say you've touched on that before. It's

477
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: when you're so close to winning and you don't quite

478
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 3: get them. It's like losing because your expectations you win,

479
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: you win, you win if you if you're gonna draw,

480
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose the game. You put the defensive bowers

481
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: to say out as a batle's fault. It was the

482
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: bowler's fault. It was the umpire as well, the weathersfold.

483
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 3: You come up with excuses, but if you're gonna win, win, win,

484
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: and you don't quite get there, it's like the rugged

485
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: being pulled out from underneath your feet. And I remember

486
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: Varney pulling us all into the square and pointing at

487
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: the Australian dressing room and you touched on it. There

488
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: were high five and hugging and kissing like they've won

489
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: the series, not just drawn again against US. They were

490
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: celebrating like they've won the series against US and they've

491
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: just held out for a draw. And that's to me

492
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: when the mighty Australian aura just went. There were just

493
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: eleven blokes with the same insecurity as the same frailties

494
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 3: that we had. They were up against the pump, they

495
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: were under pressure and they were relieved that they haven't

496
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: lost and Vonnie said, we've gotten by the ding Dan dudes,

497
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: we're going to go on and win the s And

498
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: to me that that was the Edge Bass and Test

499
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: match was pivotal. But that moment, there was the time

500
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: where I thought, you know what, we are going to

501
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 3: go on and win that series. I knew we had

502
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: a fantastic chance before we started. I thought lords was

503
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: a little bit of kick in the go nuts. Then

504
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: Edge Baston was okay, like we've we've proved we can

505
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 3: do it. Old Trafford. I thought, you know what, at

506
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: the end of the game, we've blown our chance because

507
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: you don't get second chances against Australia. They're not the

508
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: side that we'll let you repeat yourself. But then the

509
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: celebrations after that was just a huge confidence boost and

510
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: a real positive momentum shift for us.

511
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: We get to trade bridge.

512
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: You take five O the test, but it's bloody tight.

513
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Gary Pratt runs out. Ricky I don't know if you've

514
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: if you've spoken, Ricky sets and he was pretty rattled

515
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: by it all, like you know seven and that last

516
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: day and you and actually Jars go ahead.

517
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: When he's the guide. England felt more confidently. Chris, now.

518
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: That Gary Pratt run out. I was chasing after the ball,

519
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: try to stop it going for a boundary. So I'm

520
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: sprinting like a blue hours flying to stop it. But

521
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: it straight to cover and runs. It's a stupid run

522
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: to start with. And he said, we were cheating because

523
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 3: one of our balls is off the pitch game. It

524
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: was in the back of an ambulance going to the hospital.

525
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: So what do you what do you want to do?

526
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: Put on another fast ball at the field? Obviously we're

527
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: going to put you. You don't carry bad fields around

528
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: to be the twelfth man. So we had a good

529
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: fielder out, but it is it straight to cover and

530
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: none was his problem. But yeah, it got tight. I

531
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: mean we made them follow on for the first time.

532
00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: For first sceneds and knocked them for two hundred and

533
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: nineteen and then they every bend of a two hundred

534
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, I did take your target.

535
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so one hundred and twenty eight was it? Yeah, yeah,

536
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: so we will lose wickets. I'm a nervous watcher. As

537
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 3: we we discussed my first Test match, I was breaking

538
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: it having to go.

539
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: When you and you walk around, you see or you

540
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: walk around, what were you doing?

541
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: Like I was in the I was in the physios

542
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: room hiding. So there's split levels of trumperage. So you're

543
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: upstairs so there's a changing room, then there's upstairs into

544
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: the physio's room and shower room. And I was in

545
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: the fizzials room listening to it on the radio and thinking, ship,

546
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to get padded up too, So I

547
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: come downstairs to get my pads on. When I say

548
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: Andrew flintoss stumps tumbling towards towards Gilly. Then I saw

549
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: Garret Jones trying to smash him one back into to Leicester.

550
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: I had to go back and I'm shit in it,

551
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: shaking like a leaf. You get out into the middle,

552
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: you take a big, deep breath and say right, And

553
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: this is why we play sports for moments like this,

554
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: and this is why we've done all that hard moments

555
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: like this. So you walk to the middle thinking, you

556
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: know what, I only need twelve. I can edge twelve.

557
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: So you go over there about you see Gilo. He

558
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: tells me that Bratley's bowling fairly fast and Shane Want's

559
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: turning it both ways. So yeah, it was a nervous

560
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: time I saw it. I still haven't watched this series

561
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: back yet. It's been twenty years. I haven't watched it back.

562
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: I've got the DVDs and the cup and everything. I've

563
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: seen highlights, and there was highlights on the TV the

564
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: other day and Richard Benno was commentated on and over.

565
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: I think I might have scored eight in that over

566
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: clear two through. I clipped. I put my back in

567
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: the way at Brettley and it went through the covers

568
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: for two, and then edged him down to find leg

569
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: for two. And then he bought me a full toss

570
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: which I've smashed through through the covers and if it

571
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: hadn't been for the fans going, it wouldn't have reached

572
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: but scored eight. Richard Benno said that was an over

573
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: played with a great sense of skill. And maturity from

574
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: Matty Ogd. It's talking about by batting and then Gino

575
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: next door smashes it was a final and shot. I'll

576
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: have to do this left left, left handed batter batted

577
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: the four or five, but he smashes it full tosses

578
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: and it hits the shimpads and it should have been

579
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: for four and has gone on a balcony. I've gone, oh,

580
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: We've had to read group. And then it's the funny

581
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: thing is that I don't back when we win, so

582
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm not normally at the crease. One win. We don't

583
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: normally win against Australia. We only needed it might have

584
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: been only one to win.

585
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Jarles has just clipped it into into the peads of

586
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: when you think, haven't it's whapped.

587
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: It where and then and then we're trying to negotiate

588
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: whether we're on two or three? Uh what happens and

589
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: walking off with Gilo in front of the boming army

590
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: and the crowds rupting and everything else. To one up

591
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: in the Ashes series was it was a feeling I'll

592
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: never forget. It was. Obviously I'm not known for my batting.

593
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: My son rips me about do you know what you

594
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: were a bowler and everybody only remembers your shot. Wasn't

595
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: just one shot.

596
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: He's seen the highlights.

597
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's eighteen now, so he's he's.

598
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: Allowed to watch it legally. I want to watch you, bat.

599
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: He has to have a beer first though, watching.

600
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: So I mean you were too one up, but your

601
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: job is still to be done. Yeah, I know that that.

602
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm told that the forecast have to be dodgy when

603
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: you get to the oval, but you've got to get there.

604
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the upper hand, but but.

605
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: There's a break in between as well. Okay, it wasn't

606
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: just backed about that. There was about ten days I

607
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: think in between.

608
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: I think it was a setember tests from memory it was, Yeah,

609
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: it was.

610
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 3: It was late on, really late, and then it should

611
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: We've now got a different pressure because we're not catching up.

612
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: We're not trying to be the impostures anymore, where we've

613
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: now got to win or we don't have to win,

614
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: we have to we have to maintain and that was

615
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: a it's a different kind of feeling and we're not

616
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: We were used to it because we were unbeaten in

617
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, but not against Australia, so we

618
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: got as you said we went. There was a little

619
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: bit of weather around and the biggest thing for me

620
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: that I remember that Test match was the Australians coming

621
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: off Hayden. They come up with a bad light a lot.

622
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: What the freak are you doing? You have to win

623
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: this Test match but you're off and to me that

624
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: was another white flag surrender. Well it wasn't a normally

625
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: the Australian push your chest out right, we'll go out

626
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: and we'll smack it all over because we were on

627
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: top and I think we were. They were scared of

628
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Steve Armison, not me. They went in for bad light

629
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: and I couldn't understand that this decision.

630
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: Because you basically you've made I think three seventy three

631
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: in the first sities. But I think it was hell

632
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: before the first time. And then they took light.

633
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 2: Again the second day they took lights.

634
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just couldn't every time they took from that

635
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Test match, I couldn't understand what they were doing. So

636
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: so I said, there was two things I remember was

637
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 3: the Australians taking bad light and KP smashing it. And

638
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: I say smashing it. His first ball was he went

639
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: in on a hat trick Glen mcgra and it was

640
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: it got hit on the shoulder and got caught, and

641
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: from the dressing room I thought it was out. I

642
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: thought he'd loved it and all, and he batted like

643
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: a cat on hop tin roofs. He came in for

644
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: lunch and Vonnie just went just go out and smash it,

645
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: and he did. He went out and he was giving

646
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: it the old try and pull and up Tait and

647
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: Lee and some of them. He was middling out of

648
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: the ground some of his top edge and shame warn

649
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: dropped the catch. It was you know, I was a

650
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Speaker 3: nervous watching batting. That did not help, watching flail his

651
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: battle bout to all parts, getting dropped, getting half chances

652
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: smacking it out of the park again. I was hiding

653
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: in the coaches room this time. So there was a

654
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: coaches room on the side of the changing rooms and

655
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: me and Ashley Giles were playing a game of cards.

656
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: I can't remember what cards it was. It wasn't proper

657
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: playing cards. It was something like misfits or who knows,

658
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: just to try and.

659
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Speaker 2: Get straight.

660
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: But watching that because that was scary. This this bit

661
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: was all right. So we were hiding the but Gylo

662
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: scored fifty. He went out and fift in that so

663
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: he played remarkably well. I can remember I went out

664
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: into bat and Brettley he knew when Brettley was pissed

665
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: off and started getting it and most of all the

666
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: quickest spelling bowled at me at the Oval and I said,

667
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: have I annoyed you? And he said no, I'm just

668
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: pissed off where this series has gotten and so and

669
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: any bowl quite quickly at me at the Oval. But yeah,

670
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: just to see KP and Gilo put on a partnership

671
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 3: and then to be out there when Glo hit his fifty,

672
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: was again batting well, not my bawling, my batt I

673
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: remember batting more than my bowling in that series.

674
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think he took four wickets in

675
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: that match. I think it was for the series. It

676
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: was a pretty series of the hundred to go, but yeah,

677
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: it was. It was.

678
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: It was a great I remember going back to to

679
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: trent Bridge. Piers Morgan was sat in front of the wives.

680
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: I get put onto bowl and he says, what on

681
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: earth are we bowling this clown for? And he's in

682
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: front of my missus, Rachel flint Off. No, no, no,

683
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: that's my wife. Rachel Flintoff wrapped him on the shoulder

684
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: and said that Peers, you've got to be careful what

685
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: you say around here because you never know who you

686
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: sat with. So then I come on the ball. I

687
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: take three wickets fairly quickly, and Pears Morgan turns around

688
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: and says, I think I your husband and apology, and

689
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: so I just went, it's all right. My husband's just

690
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: made you look like a complete and not at tool.

691
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: I love that.

692
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: I thought that that's brilliant.

693
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

694
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: And you know there was we tacked at the start

695
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: like there were great in the Australian team and then

696
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: English team. He went through it just fantastic players from

697
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: from the top to the bottom.

698
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: Andrew Flintoff.

699
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Runs twenty wickets, which a think it was the first

700
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: since both of them around to do that, and to

701
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: do that in that series is a pretty phenomenal sort

702
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: of performance.

703
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean Freddy had not played against Australia before

704
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: and he got be in his bonnets and right then

705
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: I want to see how good I actually am and

706
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: was phenomenal in that series of great talent. Man picked

707
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: up vital look, it scored some vital ones. But as

708
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: you said, like Ben Stalks, you look to your inspirational

709
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: players to stand up and be counted. And that's exactly

710
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: what Freddy did. He stood up and be counted. He

711
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: got on that. We got on my tips by the

712
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: amount of times he put rocket Man on the on

713
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: the on the speaker, so over time we went out

714
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: to offer tea or for launch if the rocket Man

715
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: was blaming out. Hence John and it was his testimonial

716
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: and he got all two and he put and John

717
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: on two. He got up and sang rocket Man with

718
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: Elton John. It was it was amazing the amount. But

719
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, we talk about how good Andrew Flintoff was,

720
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: how good Shane warn was that series, how cricket was

721
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: was the real winner because although we were on treastful TV,

722
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: we're on front pages, back pages, middle pages. We were

723
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 3: on Channel four. The grati gratifying thing. The best thing

724
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: that came out of that series is that when I

725
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: go around to cricket clubs and do presentation nights or

726
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: to to do award or you get stopped on a street.

727
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: You said, Joe, I want to thank you because our

728
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: club had twenty people, twenty youngsters playing cricket before that series.

729
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: Halfway through that series we had one hundred and twenty.

730
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: So we inspired a generation to to pick up a bat,

731
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: to pick up a the ball, to get down to

732
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: their cricket club. And to me, that overrides everything that

733
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: we inspired a generation to start playing cricket. Joe Route

734
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 3: went to second in the leading run scorers, he mentioned

735
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: two thousand and five in his interview after he'd gone

736
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: behind Sachin Tendulk, And that is this original. You play

737
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: sport to leave a legacy and to inspire a generation.

738
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: How many times you see Wimbledon on and you see

739
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: kids get out of the tennis rackets for two weeks

740
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: and then put them away. So to have people come

741
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: up twenty years later saying I know where I was

742
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: during each Test match, twenty or thirty year olds now

743
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: called thirty odd year olds now coming up and saying

744
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: you're the reason we started playing playing cricket is why

745
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: you play sport. Yes, it was fantastic at the time

746
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: and it was brilliant, but that we're still talking about

747
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: it twenty years off. So that to me is the

748
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: best thing about that series.

749
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: In the way you're talking and you talk about Charles

750
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: and I think when I spected your add he was saying,

751
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: how a group of you guys or a few of

752
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: them caught up recently, you know.

753
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: To talk about defect. I mean, it's a pretty a

754
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: special thing you have.

755
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: You have the bass ride to where you have all

756
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: the shenanigans that go on fantastic, but you have the

757
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: lifelong makeshifts twenty easy on the track.

758
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 3: And it's amazing how you see it in all sports

759
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: and here about. But as soon as you get back

760
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: into a room stack you've never been away. The banter,

761
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: the camaraderie, the love that you feel for each other,

762
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: it just comes back instantly, which is is why we

763
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 3: play sports. It's why we love the game. It gives

764
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: your lifelong friends and memories. And I've still got the

765
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: memories to go. And I finally, and I said at

766
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: the time, at the end of two thousand and five,

767
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: I'll watch it when I've got grandkids with a pipe.

768
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 3: Sating with your granddad used to be good. I ain't

769
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: a granddad yet, so.

770
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: You can hold on.

771
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm holding on as long as possible. So, yeah,

772
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: twenty years on, still talking about it.

773
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, mindfully you've got the beautiful Doberman.

774
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm doing underneath it, and.

775
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: He's ready to go.

776
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: So I'll ask you right there, he's ready to go

777
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: for a big walk out in those fields. So I'll

778
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: ask you one last one before we go. What's going

779
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: to happen this summer?

780
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: So there's going to be results in every game. I

781
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: think your pictures a result wickets nowadays.

782
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: I think would you have liked your ball on those

783
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: ones better?

784
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: Better than the ones that were flat? I think both

785
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: ball and attacks will take twenty wickets. I don't think

786
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: our our batters will now wondering not to be rooved

787
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: against your top five. But it's not a right. I

788
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: can name you the top five and you can put

789
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: them in any order and we'll be all right. Before

790
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: the Test selection you couldn't name them. So the batting

791
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 3: is going to be the weaker link for you. Results

792
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: in every game, we're going to win one more than.

793
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: You three to two or is it to wash out

794
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: and Sydney as always?

795
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like playing in Manchester?

796
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: Is it like?

797
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Now we've got I've got to say it's been an

798
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,479
Speaker 1: absolute thrill and I really appreciate the walk down memory Line.

799
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: It's yeah, a pleasure to have you on the follow

800
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: on and look forward to UH to see what nfolds

801
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: of the summer. But you take that one for a walk.

802
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. Enjoy enjoy watching it live.

803
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time with There's